The Young Turks - Kanye West, Ronny Jackson, Fresno State Professor and Prison Van

Episode Date: April 26, 2018

A portion of our Young Turks Main Show from April 25, 2018. For more go to http://www.tytnetwork.com/join.  Cenk, John Iadarola, and Jayar Jackson. Kanye West had tweeted his love for Donald Trump is... “unabated” and he and Trump are “dragon’s together”. White House physician Ronny Jackson is denying all allegations against him. He is in a world of trouble however, the White House is standing by him.  Professor at Fresno State University will not be terminated due to 1st amendment rights, still calling her comments disgraceful. Two Republican lawmakers in Colorado are proposing legislation that can place teachers in jail for striking. A privately run prison transport company is being sued after shackling a suspect for 18 days in the back of a vehicle. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:26 Meanwhile, enjoy the free podcast. All right, well, I'm the Young Turks. Jane Huger, John Iderola. Lovely Wednesday afternoon for you guys. Well, it depends on where you are in the world watching this. So, first of all, it might not be the afternoon. Second of all, it might not be lovely. Time is relative.
Starting point is 00:00:46 Yes. In terms of the show, we do have lovely news for you guys. Excellent news in terms of how things are progressing among progressives. And who is becoming really progressively? lately. Interesting. So that's, that's the good news. Is that this hour? That is that's okay. I think I know what you mean. Okay. All right. I think it's actually, yeah, I think it's great, great news for a number of reasons. Okay. And then of course, as usual, we have bad news. So, first of all, storing the second hour really shook me. And it's about
Starting point is 00:01:26 another thing that was privatized that should not have been privatized. and how it has led to us dehumanizing each other. Man, that is a brutal story. And there's so much to fix in this country. And hopefully we'll get a chance to do all that. I want to start with two other things before we go to the Scroat story. First of all, if you're anywhere near Connecticut, you can come see me talk tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Yeah, I'm leaving early in the morning from L.A. here, and I'll be there in the afternoon at the Yale political union giving a speech there about money in politics and other issues. And you can go to that by going to t-y-tnetwork.com slash Yale speech. That'll redirect you to where you can find out more information about when I'm speaking tomorrow. And then on Sunday, we're doing a meetup in D.C. And I'll give a speech there too. And Nassan Pikes will be there. And no mickey Koss will be there.
Starting point is 00:02:24 So that's t-y-t.com slash D.C. meetup. TYT.com slash D.C. Meetup. Now, that one, we have to defray the cost of renting out the place, et cetera. But real easy, peasy there. The tickets that are left, it starts at 11 a.m. The 10 a.m. tickets are already gone. I told you they'd sell out. I told you you needed to panic, but they're gone already.
Starting point is 00:02:44 So the 11 a.m. general admission is just 15 bucks. So t.y.com slash DC Meetup. And I hope to see you in D.C. this weekend. All right. I have breaking news, such as it is. Kanye West has, in fact, publicly declared his love for Donald Trump. He said it in a tweet that his love will be unabated, despite what the mob says, and that he has freedom of thought, and that he and Donald are dragons together.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Hmm. In dragon blood. Okay, well, I did not know that they were Targaryen. And I thought Donald Trump was Barathean, Joffrey Barathean in specific. So then Donald Trump then retweeted with thank you and much love or something along those lines. So, peace in a pod. John, just a fun little game here, which is let's start it. And we're not going to do, you guys are going to do it.
Starting point is 00:03:45 I'll give you a quick thing here, a way to get it going, which is let's name the reality show that that they will inevitably have together as soon as Donald Trump is impeached. So one obvious one is dumb and dumber. Okay. Another one that I suggested online is bosom buddies. It's just, you know, and then there's no play on words there. And then there is trading places. So when Trump gets impeached and Kanye can take over because he's thinking he's running for president.
Starting point is 00:04:19 He put out a tweet just as 2024. Yeah. Okay. I like Game of Loans because, and then they could have a, it's a reality show, they could have a contest for who's going to go out of business first, who's going to bankrupt themselves first. Trump has done it six times. Kanye has done it once, but spectacularly, he's $53 million in debt. Well, in that case, I would probably go with, if it's a reality show, a bankruptcy survivor.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Okay. Or possibly secretly supporting Big Brother. Maybe. And I got a new nickname for these books. and buddies. Daigne. Okay, so we can get that started. There was Kim Ye, now there's Donier.
Starting point is 00:05:00 D-O-N-Y-E. You could use it as a hashtag if you like. So in the comment section, if you're watching this later, give us some suggestions for what should name their upcoming disastrous reality show after Trump is out of office. And before Kanye's it,
Starting point is 00:05:15 Kanye is so stupid. He actually thinks he could be president. Two mentally challenged Peas in a pod. Yeah. You give peas a chance? Maybe that's another possibility. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:05:28 And then he tweeted out a picture of his signed MAGA hat. And then Trump just yelled MAGA at him. So they've become cavemen. You want to know what's really funny? This is so weird. So before we launched into the news, you stopped to do this. I was going to. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:05:45 I was going to talk about this. Not as a full story, but just briefly, I was going to mention it. Because we have, we've, we're beyond parody. We're beyond self-parity. We're a self-parity parody at this point. Our country is a complete joke. And unfortunately, the joke is on us. Like, a lot of people sort of seem to be viewing this as if they're outsiders to what's going on.
Starting point is 00:06:05 As if all of the terrible economic and political news is just like that they're looking at a country that it's happening to. But it's happening to us. It's hurting us. And it's unparable. You know, we're not the first ones. and we said this a long time ago, we won't be the last ones to compare what we're going through right now, the idiocry.
Starting point is 00:06:27 But with Kanye and Donald Trump teaming up, I mean, it's almost the exact plot line. Okay, so we're this close to just calling it idiocry. Maybe that'll be the name of their reality show. That's true. The only thing that can save us
Starting point is 00:06:43 is The Rock. Yeah, because all we're missing is a wrestler. That's true. That's true. What is it this different about this celebrity that's somehow fallen under the spell of the stupidity of our president? Like, what is it that makes this so much more groundbreaking than the fact that, what, James Boit and James Woods and James Woods? John Boyd and James Woods. What's the difference that there's celebrities that happen to be rabid supporters? And then this changes the landscape of anything.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Because then some people were saying once they saw Kanye with the MAGA hat and all that stuff, people, supporters of Trump. online supporters, whoever they are, then would say, oh, Cidna, if 5% of the black vote changes, it's the stupidity of thinking that black folks will vote for the craziness that they know is completely against them. Because of Kanye damn West, nobody cares. So he's another person who's just riding the wave of popularity on this, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:07:41 And if he actually believes all this BS, he's just another idiot. So, well, there is two differences. So, number one, the fact that he's an African-American celebrity is, of course, capturing people's attention. And it's making them irrational. So, for example, I said, look, Kanye is narcissistic, kind of like Donald Trump. I would argue an empty celebrity, but that'll go to point number two in a second. Just as dumb as Donald Trump, and that is, that's pretty tough, man, to do that.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And in so many different ways, grandiose bragging, totally unaware. The bragging. Yeah, and on and on and on. is very similar to Trump. So, and I saw I said it seems like Trump's black twin. And then conservatives then let you go, that's racist. Why? You use the word black.
Starting point is 00:08:31 The word black is not racist. Okay, okay, well, you called Kanye Dumb. Yeah, you're allowed to say that certain individuals are dumb. In their mind, they really think, like, liberals say you cannot criticize any black person. Why? That's not what racism is. It's when you criticize a whole group of people based on the color of their skin or their ethnicity or nationality, et cetera, not based on. You're telling me, you think that liberals think they can't be any dumb black people? Herman Kane, almost anyone on Fox News. And the list goes on and on. I'm leaving Ben Carson out because he was once a surgeon. people's attention and like, oh my God, it's a black guy who's supporting Trump, right? But the second reason is, and what bothers me about it and why I'm animated about it, JR, is because we know that all those other guys are idiots.
Starting point is 00:09:35 I mean, nobody takes Ted Nugent seriously unless they're as dumb as Ted Nugent. So that guy craps the pants. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows all that stuff. But for whatever reason, there is a percentage of the country who thinks, No, Kanye is secretly brilliant. Every single thing he says is totally and utterly moronic and makes no sense. What the hell does it mean that they're dragons?
Starting point is 00:09:55 What does that mean? What does that mean? But no, but dragon actually might actually mean something because it means something else because it's actually symbolic. It's not symbolic of anything. He's a moron. So that's why it bothers me that they give Kanye credibility. Like, whoa.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Now Kanye is supporting Trump to J.R's point. And so what? I would argue he is among the dumber celebrities we have. Don't make me do all the quotes I did on the show again yesterday. By the way, one that I had left out is when he was bankrupt and begging for money from Zuckerberg, he was $53 million in debt, this was just like last year. And he said to Zuckerberg and Larry Page, please bail me out. You owe it to people to give me money.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Why? That's not a thing, right? And he said, giving me money is better for the world than giving to some school in Africa. That's who Kanye West is. He has no morality. All he is is a self-obsessed fool and a maniac just like his bosom buddy Donald Trump. You are more mad at him than I'm mad at anything. You hate him more than I hate global warming.
Starting point is 00:11:05 No, I hate the irrationality of people. That's the thing that drives me crazy. I'm not even, like I don't necessarily think this is an important story. I do think it's funny and also fitting. because America has just rapidly descended into just dueling cults of personality. And so should we be surprised that this is what our political discourse has become? Two totally self-obsessed megalomaniacs. I mean, most of the people talking about, like most of them, the people who are opposing them,
Starting point is 00:11:34 are also trying to cultivate. If they don't already have a cult of personality, they're trying to get some cultists. We have larger problems in America, and this is symptomatic of it. All right, now let's go on to the political. Okay, let's do that. Although funny enough, in this insane world, Donald Trump or Kanye West, is a political story. I mean, a couple of years ago, you'd have been like, oh, where's Amorosa and all this? Oh, wait, she was also in the White House.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Yeah. Well, only one thing left, flavor of flavor. There you go. All right, let's go. Okay, Dr. Ronnie Jackson wants to be the next head of the Department of Veteran Affairs, but every day that passes lately, it seems like that is less likely to actually happen. This morning, we had some new allegations against Ronnie Jackson, and this afternoon we have even new or new allegations against him. And so we're going to dig into those today. The Senate
Starting point is 00:12:26 Veteran Affairs Committee announced on Tuesday that it was postponing Jackson's confirmation hearing, while it reviews allegations of hostile work behavior, excessive drinking on the job, and impropriety and dispensing medication brought forward by at least 20 current and former military members. Jackson has reportedly denied all of the allegations, although that's a lot I mean, you have a couple dozen people coming out against you, and it goes further than that. Ronnie Jackson was nicknamed the Candy Man for his leniency in handing out prescription medication like Ambien to White House staffers and even journalists on long flights. Jackson also reportedly drunkenly banged on the hotel room door of a female employee during a trip overseas in 2015, so loudly that the Secret Service had to get involved to keep him from waking then President Obama up. And that female staffer said she felt extremely uncomfortable during that situation.
Starting point is 00:13:16 So a couple of things there. One, you know, you do somebody assault and give them a prescription drug on a plane, and next thing they rat you out. Anyway, the Secret Service is not worried about the woman inside the room as he's banging on it and trying. Like, you might wake up someone else. We're more worried about the president's sleep than we are about the woman inside. I've been a little unfair. I'm sure they wanted to stop him for a couple of reasons. And the name Candyman is both awesome and design.
Starting point is 00:13:41 If it's in a Quentin Tarantino movie, that dude's going to do some damage. Watch out for the candy man, right? On the other hand, you don't want the nickname Candy Man, because it's either this or it has something to do with giving candy out the people you shouldn't be giving it to. That's true. That's true. One of the few nicknames I haven't yet gotten here at TYT. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Anyway, we have more, although mine is close enough. So, Dr. Jackson also provided a, quote, large supply of Percasat, a prescription opioid to a White House military office staff member, throwing his own medical staff into a panic when they couldn't account for the missing drugs. A nurse on his staff said Dr. Jackson had written himself prescriptions, and when caught, he asked a physician assistant to provide the medication to him. And at a secret service going away party, the doctor got intoxicated and wrecked a government vehicle, leading many to say that you can say a lot about Dr. Ronnie Jackson, but you can't say He doesn't know how to party.
Starting point is 00:14:39 But anyway, this is a long history of apparent excessive drinking. They talk about, there's one of the details of, I believe the Air Force is involved in protection when they travel, that he routinely would get drunk with. And that is a problem when you're the doctor's personal physician, or you're the president's personal physician. You need to be sort of together in case something happens, and let alone the ethical problems of writing himself prescriptions, which in some cases is acceptable. but certain types of medication, you cannot simply write prescriptions for yourself.
Starting point is 00:15:10 And he apparently has been doing that. I'm trying to figure out why I'm not 100% against Dr. Ronnie Jackson. Okay. So let's figure it out together. First of all, if you watch one of our postgames, and that's one of the benefits of membership, so t-y-tnetwork.com slash join, he would have gotten a longer version of this story. But quick version is he was going to stitch up Bush's leg because he was Bush and Obama and Trump's doctor as a White House physician. And he told a story to Bush to reassure him that he's good at this about how he had ripped his own scrot him and then stitch it up himself, which earned him the nickname from Bush, Scroat.
Starting point is 00:15:48 Okay. So part of it is I think that Scroats an interesting character and it depends on the details. So if he got so wasted and he trashed the vehicle while it was parked, shouldn't do that by kind of a fun story. If he got inside and drove, no, that's DUI. That's crazy. You can't do that, right? So it kind of depends on the details here. That was the impression I got, but we're going to find out more this week.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Yeah, yeah. And I guess one of the reasons that I'm not super livid about it as I do, I am on other issues, is because it doesn't involve corruption. Like, most of these guys are, like, robbing us blind. This guy just seems to, this guy, not J.R. This guy just seems to have a problem, right? He might have a drinking problem. Like, they go away on an international trip, and he gets wasted.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Okay, I mean, it could be, I don't know if he's got a chronic problem, in which case he should get some help, or if he's just having a good scratch. Yeah. Or if he's just having a good time. So, again, it depends. But, of course, I know, I know, guys. You can't do it. You're the physician to the president, as John pointed out. The reason you're on the trip is if there's a medical emergency to the president.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Not so you could have a good time and get wasted in October Fest in Munich. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's partly those things. I think also partly, I think you have a bit of a soft spot for Fratislap. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The Republic or UNFTR. As a young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich and powerful. But now there's a podcast dedicated to unraveling those lies, debunking the conventional wisdom.
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Starting point is 00:18:22 And that's true whether you're in Jedi training, or you're uprooting and exposing all the propaganda and disinformation you've been fed over the course of your lifetime. So search for UNFDR in your podcast app today and get ready to get informed, angered, and entertained all at the same time. I think that you look back with nostalgia on those sorts of days, and so when you see somebody
Starting point is 00:18:51 living it up as he is, I think that to some extent you like that. Yeah, and I'm not a substance abuse guy, and I think that's a disastrous, path to go on. But I'm a, it's not fratish and I wasn't in a frat or anything like that. But yeah, I like to have fun. I like to get a little too intoxicated if we're drinking. Let's actually have some fun, right, et cetera. So as long, but it is a giant caveat. And this is the problem with Dr. Ronnie Jackson, apparently according to the witnesses, as long as you're not harming anyone else, that's the most important thing. If you're having a good time, bless
Starting point is 00:19:26 your heart, let loose. We only live once. But you can't do that on the the job. You can't go knocking on a woman's door in the middle of the night. I mean, Jesus Christ, how unprofessional is that? And she was scared, et cetera. And they've got 20 witnesses. So he's in a whirl of trope. Yeah. Now, while all this bad information has come out about Ronnie Jackson and his bid to become the next head of the Department of Veteran Affairs, the White House currently looks like it's actually going to stand by him, even as things get worse and worse throughout the day. So here is Sarah Huckabee Sanders defending him against these new charges. deny the allegations
Starting point is 00:19:58 to President Trump I'm not going to go line by line on every outrageous thing out there right now but he's certainly disgusted about his lack of experience which he cited yesterday during that conference look I don't think as I saw
Starting point is 00:20:14 Senator rounds earlier this morning there's probably not a person around that has managed a department of over 300,000 and certainly he's a very highly qualified, highly respected person in the military and in the medical community. And that's something that we strongly feel that veterans need in the VA.
Starting point is 00:20:37 Is this what veterans need? I don't know. Look, there she says that this situation is outrageous. You're right. It is outrageous. It's outrageous the things that he's done that you either knew about and still wanted to make him the head of the VA or didn't actually know about. And they said today, there's no one they've vetted more than Ronnie Jackson. Don't, that's horrifying. What are you talking about? There's no one you've vetted more. He's a drunk who might have been trying to sexually assault someone.
Starting point is 00:21:06 We don't know for sure. It's allegations. We'll find out more. But what we found out in just a couple of days is very scary information. If that's your vetting process on whether we should trust the rest of your nominees, don't vet on it. Okay, but look, last thing here, why is the White House physician up for the head of the VA, as Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, that oversees 300,000 employees?
Starting point is 00:21:33 It's actually one of the most management-intensive jobs in the whole federal government. Because Trump likes him, gets along with him, and he said that Trump was a perfect specimen. That's why he's getting the job. That's the bigger story to me. He has no business getting this job at all. I might like to party with him. All the presidents liked him as a doctor. He gets along well with everyone.
Starting point is 00:21:59 But does that mean he should manage 300,000 people for a job? He's qualified for other jobs, okay? But for a job he is not at all qualified for, just because the president kind of like scrote. Yeah, right? And a job that needs major reform and that people's lives are depending on. And they're treating it like some sort of game. But he gets picked because he gave Trump the cartoon elephant test and said that his mind isn't leaking out of his ears.
Starting point is 00:22:24 So he gets to be the head of the NBA. That's exactly right. So at the end of the day, don't get me wrong. Sorry, Dr. Jackson, but we can't have it. I'm here all week, folks. We need a break. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:22:41 I was just trying to figure out how to do a scrote joke. All right, we got to go. We've got to go. We'll be back. Jackson might be in trouble. Well, who knows, but they might stick with them anyway. We broke a story yesterday that I want to tell you guys about with TYT and Veskees when we come back. And it's a more serious story that has more severe consequences.
Starting point is 00:23:01 But it is a fascinating one about government officials who might want to make the rapture happen. You're right in the middle of this podcast. We've got another great segment coming up for you. If you'd like the full show, which is actually five segments, go to TYT Network. slash join. You become a member, you support the show, you support independent media, and you get the whole two-hour show ad-free every day. Let's go do it now. We're back on a young Turks. Jankanana with you guys. Chris Durand writes it on Twitter, saved by the bankruptcy. We're still going with nine eight titles. And Venkata Vamsi
Starting point is 00:23:43 Nogdenny writes in on YouTube super chat. Okay. The Trumpist. So all of these are fine suggestions for Trump and Kanye's reality show that they are inevitably going to do when he gets impeached. So how did you pronounce that name so well? I know, right? Where did that come from? Did you know that person? Normally I'm terrible of pronouncing names, but I nailed that one.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Yeah, that was pretty amazing. So, all right, two ways that you can see me tomorrow, not on the show. You and John are doing it, right? Tomorrow, yes. John and I will be doing the show together. Okay, great. So I'm going to be at Yale, not a big deal. Actually.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Anyway, Yale Political Union, open to the public, though. So, TYT network.com slash Yale speech directs you to where you can get more information. And then on Sunday, I'm going to be in D.C. So that's TYT.com slash meetup. No network on that one. TYT.com slash meetup. I'm sorry, D.C. Meetup. DC meetup.
Starting point is 00:24:47 And me, Nomiki Kans and Hassan Piker are going to be there. It's $15 to get in to defray the cost of the building, et cetera, and to make sure that you show up. So the early admission tickets are gone already. So general admission at 11 a.m. 15 bucks go to t.com slash DC meetup. All right. What's next, Anna? All right. A Fresno State University professor who had some strong words for Barbara Bush after she
Starting point is 00:25:16 passed away, was being threatened by possibly getting fired. But it turns out that university officials are not going to fire her because it turns out that she has something known as First Amendment rights. It's crazy. It's almost as if the Constitution has more than just the Second Amendment. Crazy. So she's a tenured professor, but that is not the reason why she's able to keep her job. Fresno State is part of the Cal State University system in California. funded, meaning that constitutional rights are intact. And if university officials fire her, they are literally violating her First Amendment rights. Now, the university carefully reviewed the facts and consulted with lawyers to determine whether we could take disciplinary action.
Starting point is 00:26:03 We have concluded that Professor Gerard did not violate any CSU or university policies and that she was acting in a private capacity and speaking. about a public matter on her personal Twitter account. Her comments, although disrespectful or disgraceful, are protected free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. So it seemed as though the university officials really wanted to make it clear that they did not like the way that she handled this situation. They did not like her tweets.
Starting point is 00:26:38 But even given the fact that they didn't like the tweets, they still have no right to fire her. So a couple of points here that are important. First of all, it bothers me that they keep calling it disgraceful. And that goes to a much larger point. Because in America, if you are in favor of a war that kills millions of people, not a big deal. Millions of civilians, by the way. Man, that's a minor offense.
Starting point is 00:27:05 A lot of those guys are back in government. John Bolton, non-national security advisor, Mike Pompeo, probably going to become Secretary of State soon, et cetera, et cetera. They're all overgovernment. Everybody applauds them. Yes, bravo, honorable gentlemen. And obviously George W. Bush, Barbara Bush's son, et cetera. But if you are slightly disrespectful to anyone in power, ooh, that's the third rally.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Can't do that. That's a major, major offense. We should all have a national conversation about whether you should be fired. How dare you? Nobody gets fired for actually killing the civilians, but you get fired for saying, hey, that wasn't such a great idea to support the idea to kill the civilians. And that's what she had attacked Barbara Bush about. She said one and a half million dead Iraqis, and she raised a war criminal and was favor of the Iraq war.
Starting point is 00:27:53 By the way, when asked about civilian deaths in Iraq, Barbara Bush said that her beautiful mind couldn't be bothered with that. Yeah. So I would argue that that is far more disgraceful a comment than anything the professor said. Well, Barbara Bush was in a position of power. And as a person who has all the privilege in the world, you're able to refer to. Hurricane Katrina victims who had to be displaced in, you know, the Houston Astrodome, you get to refer to them as underprivileged and they're better off in the Astrodome anyway. Like, you're able to make those types of disgraceful statements without having to worry about
Starting point is 00:28:32 losing, you know, a job or really being negatively impacted by it. Look, I think that free speech on publicly funded college campuses is incredibly important, regardless of what the speech is, right? As long as you're not doing something unconstitutional, inciting violence, screaming fire in a crowded room, you guys get the point. I believe in protecting that speech. I don't care if you're someone that I disagree with. I don't care if you're someone that I completely agree with.
Starting point is 00:28:58 It's a free marketplace of ideas, and you can't have public employees firing people for speech or banning that type of speech. So Washington Post pointed out, it was an unsatisfying conclusion for those who argued that tenure should not absolve Gerard or anyone from the consequences of their vitriolic words. No, that's the whole point of tenure. It is. So it is to allow for words that offend, whether they're right wing or left wing, because you're in the free marketplace of ideas. Now, that leads us to point number three, which is the hypocrisy of the right wing.
Starting point is 00:29:34 And Anna got me started on this when we first covered the story, and this rage has been growing inside of me about their hypocrisy. So where are they? Where's all the Ben Shapiro's and the Milos and all their defenders and the Ancultors, et cetera? Whatever, they're getting paid a lot of money to speak on those campuses. All of the free speech. Oh my God, they took my freedom of thought away. But my thoughts are all gone.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Okay. Now, we defend those guys. Now, I think that they're clowns. I think their speech is disgraceful, et cetera. You name any adjective you like there. But they have a right to say it. they have a right to get paid a lot of money to say it on a college campus, and I'm in favor of that we've been saying from day one. But I've noticed that the right wing online is not animated
Starting point is 00:30:21 about this professor's freedom of speech. All of a sudden, they couldn't care less about freedom of speech. In fact, they're the ones who want her fired for speaking out. No, but here's the issue. And I don't feel bad about the fact that we're fair when it comes to things like this, that we're able to, you know, look at both sides, understand what the right thing to do is, and still want to protect the speech of those that we disagree with. I think that that makes you a good person who genuinely believes in the Constitution. But at the same time, I go back and forth from feeling proud of not having this ridiculous, you know, pro-liberal, anti-conservative stance to feeling like a sucker, right?
Starting point is 00:31:04 Because the reality is when conservatives do what they do at Berkeley, for instance, it's not really about protecting free speech. They have created a business out of creating a circus around them. They want attention. And the best way to get that attention is to put yourself in a victim's shoes. I am the victim. I have been banned and censored. And look at these progressives and these liberals. They're not letting me speak.
Starting point is 00:31:27 It's all about getting into the news and being part of a conversation. And it's pathetic. It's pathetic. If you're going to do that, at least have the intellectual consistency so you could pretend later that you were honest and principled to defend the professor. But they're not going to do that. Of course they're not. So, and now you look at all the right wingers online attacking her and offline as well. One of the guys said, this is not a matter of free speech. It's a matter of human decency.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Please. But wait a minute, right wingers are in favor of Ann Coulter coming onto college campuses, talking about how she is upset about the browning of America. She calls immigrants peasants. She says immigrants from Mexico are peasants and we don't want them here. Is that great speech? Human decency. That's hilarious. And then another person declared, a lot of them do, declared what the professor said here
Starting point is 00:32:19 as hate speech. No, I know you can't wait to charge others with racism even if it doesn't make any sense or hate speech even when it doesn't make. So I need to explain to you because you're either purposely obtuse or really not very intelligent, what hate speech is. Hate speech isn't, I hate this person and I have spoken about them. Okay, no, it is about a particular group. So there is no group of Barbara Bush's that she offended and targeted.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Like, man, if you're a Barbara Bush, I categorically hate you for just being a Barbara Bush. No, she did not like Barbara Bush for the things that Barbara Bush did. So, for example, if you hate me, which for a lot of your right wing troll, check, and you want to talk about that, that is not hate speech. That might be hateful, but it's not hate speech. In fact, we would support you if you wanted to go on a college campus and talk about that. That's right, okay?
Starting point is 00:33:13 It's crazy. Hate speeches if you say, well, I don't like Jane, not because he's a left-wing, you know, whatever, fill in the adjective, but I don't like him because he's a dirty Turk and I hate all dirty Turks. Okay, I guess, I mean, I'm kind of, I'm so thick skin, I don't care about anything. But yes, that would be hate speech because you're attacking a whole group. All right, I have to explain to Beagle because they don't get it. But finally, my favorite one was a guy who tweeted in.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Just heard that the fat, despicable pig, Randa Girard, won't face discipline. Unbelievable, except Fresno State campus a worthless scum. This guy wants her fired for saying offensive things. And totally miss the irony of his tweet. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives, constantly monitoring us and storing and selling our data. But that doesn't mean we have to let them. It's possible to stay anonymous online and hide your data from the prying eyes of big tech.
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Starting point is 00:35:24 Let me give you the details. The bill prohibits districts from supporting teachers strikes and requires schools to dock a teacher's pay for each day they participate in a walkout. The teachers could also face up to six months in jail and a 500 daily fine if they violate a court order to stop striking. State Senator Bob Gardner and Representative Paul Lundeene both proposed this legislation, and it's absolutely despicable. and unconstitutional because you are essentially banning teachers from coming together, protesting, and practicing their First Amendment rights. The law would allow school districts to seek a court injunction against teachers and teachers and organizations that are threatening to strike.
Starting point is 00:36:11 If the organization violates the court order, it faces a fine of up to $10,000 a day and a ban on representing teachers in the state for up to a year. Now, teachers in the state of Colorado are not happy about their pay. They are at the bottom of the list when it comes to states and how they compensate teachers. They're poised to participate in a lobbying effort in Denver on Tuesday and Thursday of this week, prompting at least a dozen school districts in the state to cancel school. Also, the days of action at the Capitol is not a strike or even a mass teacher walkout. Bill Hutchinson told ABC News, he's part of this organized effort.
Starting point is 00:36:54 She is part of this organized effort. I'm sorry, Bill Hutchinson is probably a reporter with ABC News. But a representative for the teacher said that and said that she said most of the teachers participating in the event will be using the two personal leave days they earn annually. First of all, let's stop for a second. the teachers are going to use one of their two personal leave days that they get each year. They get two personal leave days each year, two. They get two. Okay, they barely get paid anything and then they get two. Colorado is number 46 out of 50 states when it comes to teacher
Starting point is 00:37:37 compensation. That's why they're upset. And they don't want to do, you know, this mass walkout and miss out on their pay. So they're going to use the one of two days that they get for personal leave. So these Republicans who want to put these teachers in prison say, yeah, we're number 46. Deal with it. And if you don't bow your head, I'm going to put you away. And I'm going to fine you and I'm going to destroy the organization that represents you. Now, they're hilarious excuses.
Starting point is 00:38:11 No, no, no, no. They sell their First Amendment rights. But if I can get a court that I control to put an injunction on them, and then they continue to speak out, I mean, what do they think? They have money? No, money is speech. Speech is not actually speech. Then we'll put them in prison.
Starting point is 00:38:27 And so it's preposterous and as absolute right. It's unconstitutional. By the way, they also can be fired without a hearing. They're like, we don't want to hear you out. The minute you cross our interests, you're done. You're destroyed, you're fired, you're put in prison, and you're fine. How dare you complain that you have the 46th lowest pay in the country? Colorado's too busy giving tax cuts to the rich to be worried about you.
Starting point is 00:38:54 And now, the teachers point out, first of all, no more corporate tax cuts. If you're not going to do what the law dictates, and now this is really important and interesting. And so an argument could be made that we should put the Republican legislators in jail. because in the year 2000, the citizens of Colorado voted for Amendment 23, and that requires the state to increase funding for education at the annual rate of inflation. But the legislators were like, yeah, I don't think so. You didn't give me money. I didn't get bribed, so no, I don't care that I'm breaking the law.
Starting point is 00:39:30 What am I, a legislator whose job is to create laws? No, no, I'm not going to follow the law. So they have not adjusted for inflation for nine years. So that costs, that actually cost the education system in Colorado. And if you live in Colorado, that costs your kids a quality education to the tune of $6.6 billion. Yeah. So when are you going to give the $6.6 billion back? Well, we're not going to because we're still passing tax cuts.
Starting point is 00:39:55 All right. And if you complain that I'm giving everything to the rich and nothing to your kids, so they never have an opportunity to learn to get an education and to become rich themselves, They never have a shot at the American dream. Don't care, I'll put you in prison. Thank you, Republicans, for clarifying what your position. Exactly. Vote them out.
Starting point is 00:40:12 And let's start off with the two state lawmakers who proposed this legislation in the first place. By the way, Carrie Dalman is the woman who represents some of these teachers. She is part of the Colorado Education Association, and she is fighting this pretty aggressively, and I'm glad that she's doing so. But Senator Bob Gardner, state Senator Bob Gardner, has responded to the criticism, because I'm guessing there's been quite a bit. And here's what he has to say, it is not in any way in attempt to silence teachers' voices. They have the right to assemble, protest, associate, demonstrate whatever they wish, and I would defend their right to do that. Except I just proposed legislation that would punish teachers' organizations and teachers forever having the audacity to stand up to us because we didn't fulfill.
Starting point is 00:41:01 are promises, and they're barely getting paid for their jobs. It's disgusting, and I hope he gets voted out of office. Okay, one last thing. Just so we're clear, it's not just teachers who would go on strike. This bill has a language that says educators caught directly or indirectly inducing a protest or encouraging a protest would be imprisoned. So that's basically a thought crime. It's funny because I thought conservatives were in favor of freedom of thought.
Starting point is 00:41:37 I mean, that's what Kanye West tells me. That's what Donald Trump tells me. That's what all the guys online tell me who are conservatives. But now Republicans want to imprison you for your thoughts. Kanye, on the other hand, can have any goddamn thought he likes. We don't care if we get to counter his speech. We're not trying to take his speech away. But in this case, they're literally trying to take speech away.
Starting point is 00:41:57 and imprison you if you have the wrong thoughts. Again, Republicans, thank you for clarifying what your real positions are. All right, we got to take a break. When we come back, the devastating story that I've been telling you about all day, it's gut-wrenching. We've got to fix this country. Thanks for watching. We're listening to this free version of the Young Turks podcast.
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