The Young Turks - Kash Gets Caught - September 17, 2025

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I'm your host, Anna Kasparian, and we have a massive show ahead for you, just as we always do. Sometimes there are slow news days, but honestly, this week has been pretty crazy, pretty chaotic. We've got day two of FBI director Cash Patel's testimony before the Senate. Judiciary Committee. I think there's one moment that's worthy of highlighting, you know, among all of the, you know, or amid all the political theater, I think Thomas Massey came prepared and his line of questioning was worth getting into. So we'll detail that a little later in the first hour. We're also planning on talking about Tucker Carlson special yesterday, which did actually feature Jank Uger. It was a way of kind of remembering Charlie Kirk, but more importantly, looking ahead to the future of this country and what we can do to get sane people to work together to actually improve the country for Americans. I really appreciated that conversation. Tucker Carlson also has some choice words for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. So we're going to get to that as well. So those are just a few of the stories you can look forward to, a lot to get to. As always,

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So let's get into it. There's been a lot of reporting about Tyler Robinson. That is the suspect who is accused of killing Charlie Kirk, shooting him in the neck at a Utah University. And there's been a lot of squabbling about the political identity of this individual. To be quite honest with you, I think political violence in general is a really big problem in the country. It continues to grow as a problem in the country.

It's not quite as bad as it was in the late 60s or 70s. But it's really concerning when you have a public figure like Charlie Kirk getting shot and killed in the neck at a very public event. And this is all happening at a time when I think a lot of people just have lost complete trust in our institutions. The search for the suspect was completely ham handed, at least by the FBI. FBI director Cash Patel is being criticized quite a bit as a result of that. But I think the media has also really failed the American people. First off, before anyone could get arrested, there was already a ton of assumptions about the political identity of the suspect. Cable News was debating this and discussing it as if it was already a hard fact. But there are also some arguments from those on the left that Tyler Robinson, no, he was actually a groper. And they were spewing that without a shred of evidence to prove it. And then there's the original reporting, the exclusive from friend of the show, Ken Clippenstein,

where he actually spoke to childhood friends of Tyler Robinson, had access to the Discord server that Tyler Robinson was active in. And that actually paints a more complicated picture. So joining us now is Ken Clippenstein. You can follow and subscribe to his work over at Ken Clippenstein.com. Really, really great reporting. And Ken, thank you so much for joining us. Hey, Anna, good to be with you.

Thank you for joining us. It's good to have you. You know, I always love the fact that you're willing to publish things that other journalists or reporters are, for whatever reason, terrified to publish. Now, since you publish this piece, reporters have also published some of the other exchanges, text exchanges that Tyler Robinson allegedly had with his roommate slash partner, as some are referring. to the roommate. Before we get to what you were able to publish, what did you think about the exchange between Tyler Robinson and his roommate? Because there are all sorts of theories about how that was totally manufactured and fake. I'm not sure I'm buying it, but I will admit that the way Tyler Robinson communicates seemed strange for a young man. Yeah, the tone in which you spoke was

definitely different than how I saw him interact, which was much more informal and just kind of like a normal guy in the Discord chats. But I would imagine that the way that, you know, somebody talks to someone you're intimate with, and on top of that, after you've murdered somebody, allegedly, is probably going to make you behave a little bit differently than your baseline would be. So, to me, it's not that surprising that it's different. I hope you'd act a little differently after something like that happens. Well, it's interesting because the exchange that you have kind of, he appears to be a bit nonchalant.

Okay, so let's get to that graphic here where someone in the Discord server posts, Charlie Kirk got shot, dead. Someone else says, I just saw the video, rest in peace, bro didn't deserve to go out like that, sad. And that's when a zealous monkey, that's Tyler Robinson, responds and says, Hey, guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. I'm surrendering through a share of friend in a few moments. Thanks for all the good times and laughs. We've all been so amazing. Or yeah, you've all been so amazing. Thank you for everything. So yeah, his communication style is definitely different there. But he is also simultaneously kind of nonchalant about the fact that he just shot and killed someone in broad daylight in cold blood. What did you make of that? Yeah, both when he's talking to his partner privately and in the Discord chat, everybody's just kind of shocked and he just drops this thing like it's like, oh yeah, it's on a Sunday movie. Interesting, huh? And then just moves on. And the people that I talked to in the chat, they were stunned, as you would expect, horrified, confused, traumatized, trying to piece through what happened. Because I think there's this impression being ginned up, particularly on cable news, where I think people don't understand. what Discord is.

It's kind of like, I would call it like WhatsApp. It's like WhatsApp for gamers, basically. You can make phone calls, text messages, video calls, that kind of thing. There's no algorithm. You just invite people to your server. It's what they call the kind of chat room that you talk in. And I think there's this sense that, oh, my God, he was communicating with them. Therefore, there's some sort of coordination or conspiracy going on.

And at least in the three or so chat rooms that I was able to gain insight into, that wasn't the case at all. People were at first thought he was joking because they couldn't understand why would someone do something like this? And that's not even to say that they liked Kirk or disliked Kirk. My honest impression was they don't think about politics very much. These were a lot of 20 people in their mid-20s in Utah who, you know, on reflection prior, like a lot of people in the country, disgusted with all politics, checked out as a result of that and probably don't even know who Kirk was, at least initially. You note that there were very few examples of any political discourse, and any political

discourse was pretty neutral, right? So for instance, there was one example of Tyler Robinson giving results of the 2020 election, if I'm not mistaken, yeah, because he was talking about where Trump stood in relation to Biden. And it just appeared to be reporting where both candidates are as votes were being counted. So it was pretty innocuous. There was no indication that he was like some sort of extremist or radical. Now, a childhood friend that you spoke to told you the following. Yeah, I don't know what makes a person like him decide he's going to drive 260 miles

upstate to shoot someone like Charlie Kirk, then come back like nothing happened. It leaves a lot of room for speculation and theories, which is why I think they're so rampant. And he's right about that. Or he or she is right about that. are definitely all sorts of theories right now, lots of conspiracies. And then there's Robinson's political ideology, right? You write in the piece that Trump and company portrayed the alleged Utah shooter as left wing and liberals portray him as right wing. I've heard people call him a groiper. The federal conclusion will inevitably be that he was a so-called nihilist,

violent extremist. And I wanted to ask you about that. So what is a nihilist, violent extremist? So that's a new threat category that the FBI created in January of this year, I think late January, and has been applying to a bunch of different groups. FBI director, Cash Patel, and testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee today reveal that they have some huge number of cases against these so-called nihilistic violent extremists. I take issue with the designation because I think if you look at them, I don't think they're nihilistic. I do think they have beliefs. So, but, you know, that's kind of neither here nor there.

Basically, the FBI has created this new category to fit in these groups that I think they don't really understand. And so they conclude, oh, they must not believe in anything. I'm not saying that this guy should be in that group. I think it's pretty clear from the text messages that the Justice Department released yesterday that he was motivated at the very least in large part by his contempt and hatred for what Charlie Kirk said. critical of the trans community. So that clearly was central to this. So I don't think he should be slapped with that label. But I think that's what's going to happen because that's what the FBI is overwhelmingly

focused on in another interesting detail in Carapital's testimony was there was a 300% increase in domestic terrorism cases that the Bureau has opened up. So there is a huge crackdown going on now that we don't hear very much about because the cases have not gone to trial yet. but they are, you know, surging assets to what they perceive as this problem of people not believing anything. And we saw that same idea expressed on the part of these cable outlets that over the weekend, it was like every channel had some former FBI person saying, these dangerous kids on the chat rooms are fomenting, you know, extreme. It's the young, what was the word you used before?

The groipers. There's these young, right? Yeah, there's these young men in their basements and so on and so forth. And I didn't find any of that. Of course, in my reporting and looking at the different chat rooms that the alleged shooter spent years on. Obviously, he has text messages that I won't have access to. I'm sure there are probably groups that I don't have access to. But in the ones that I looked, I couldn't find any evidence of any of the other individuals or even the alleged shooter himself expressing, I think, when any reasonable person would characterize as extremists. So I was surprised by that, by how different it was. was than what I was led to think. Right. I mean, look, if I had to take a bet prior to your reporting on

this, I would have probably assumed the Discord server had all sorts of, you know, vitriol or political rhetoric. No, I went on here. I thought, okay, time to have my stomach turned and this is the job, so let's go through. And I just think of my Twitter. I was going to say, you could look at my DMs and there are probably people saying insane things in various groups that I'm in. So I expected the worst. And I really looked. You know, I'm I'm a little annoyed that there are some conservative commentators that are like, oh, Clippinsstein obviously just gave us the nice sign. No, I told them to go in there.

I said, show me every hit for Trump. Show me every hit for Biden. Show me every hit for. And I gave him a list of words. And they screenshot it showing me like them doing it in the computer so I could see that they were actually searching these things. And there just wasn't anything there. I would have published it if there was.

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No, I had the same reaction. Yeah. Okay, yeah, because that Discord served, like these chats, you can tell that there are young men from all walks of life who might have different political views, but they come together. They like to talk about video games. They play video games together. And it's kind of a microcosm of what I think we used to have in this country where even if you're deeply political and you're obsessed with politics, so you were able to kind of sit with ideas that disagreed with your own. You can have friendships and relationships with people on the other side of the political

aisle. I think you have a really good point here when you mention that those who are obsessed with politics today tend to be far more partisan and, you know, just kind of constrained by whatever label they've decided to latch onto. But I wanted to also just kind of give voice to his childhood friend who also told you it's been so terrible and seeing it from an inside perspective is so frustrating, meaning like the way Robinson is being described or talked about because he says, I think the main thing that's caused so much confusion is that he was always generally apolitical for the most part, that's the big thing, but just never really talked politics, which is why it's so frustrating. So I do think that there's truth behind him being

motivated by his anger at Charlie Kirk's anti-trans rhetoric, right? Because he, his childhood friend identified him as bisexual, said that he is very open when it comes to LGBT issues, not a cookie cutter lefty and, you know, obviously he liked guns, was raised in Utah. Guns, fishing, just very traditional like manly man type hobbies, you know, camping. So how do you square that circle when it comes to his family alleging that Tyler Robinson had become more extreme in his politics in a leftward position? Yeah, part of what made me want to do this story was seeing how much the administration initially when it was asserting that he was a, I think they said, member of the left or something like that.

And I always look for attribution. Where are they getting that from? And they said, the members of the family told us that. And I had to laugh at that, not because it's necessarily untrue, but because if you ask my dear conservative mother what my views are, I don't think she'd be very, I don't think she'd be very generous. It'd probably be like he's a crazy communist or something. Think about anyone's parents. How are they going to describe you? It's probably not going to be with a lot of subtlety, right? Because not because you don't love them or you don't have a good relationship with them. They're just, we have different lives, right? And they're different generation and consume media differently than we do. So I wasn't saying that parents were lying or thinking that, but I thought, well, you know, it's people that are 30 years older than this guy. They probably have a completely different frame of reference. And it's in a, it's in the state of Utah, which is culturally, generally, pretty conservative. So I was just skeptical of that.

When I talked to people, I found that I was right to be skeptical of that. Because his, Paul, I just realized that whole perverse game that happens, every time there's a shooting. Whose side is going to be embarrassed? Whose side are we going to use this to embarrass them with? The whole thing just fell apart because I'm talking to these young men who, I'm not saying they're unintelligent, but they clearly are unfamiliar with a lot of, like, Groyper, I don't think a lot of these people would even know what that meant. It's such a specific, that's such a subcultural, like, word. You know what I mean? Like, even knowing what that is, evinces a lot of, like, awareness of the political space. So talking to the,

them, I found out it's like, you know, he had some conservative views, he had some liberal views. But for the most part, he didn't really talk about it. And, you know, he was dating a trans individual. And I was told that that was an issue that you could tell he didn't want to bring up around his parents, which I don't think is extraordinary. That probably happens all the time. But, but, but yeah, I just realized it was like this whole thing of like, you know, if you're LGBT, therefore you must have this set of views. Most people aren't like that. There are, If you ever just have a conversation, people are all over the place. There's no category that people, most people fit into.

It's one of my favorite things to, you know, talk politics with normies. I find normies way more interesting than people who are like deeply into politics, because you will see that they're a mixture of right and left ideology. You know, I have a family member in-laws, but one of my in-laws definitely identity. They're Cuban. So identifies as conservative, voted for Trump. I remember having a discussion about our health care system. And when this person was going to give birth, basically didn't make enough money to buy private health care insurance. And so she was like, yeah, I had to go on the Medicaid program here. And it was awesome. It's so good. They should expand that.

And I'm like, okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? So most people are not like making policy preferences based on the political label or the partisanship that it's attached to. The idea is so Washington brain. It's like the idea that Latinos are going to vote for Rubio because he's Latino and everybody's on the same side, right? Well, that quickly went out the window, right? Like, people aren't like that. Yeah, that's very true. So I do think that there's some evidence here that he was motivated by, you know, thinking that it made sense to meet hatred with murder and violence. And so he did identify Charlie Kirk as someone who's spreading hate. Those were some of the other messages. And I think that the problem that we're facing as a country is actually

deeper than, oh, is the left more violent or is the right more violent? I think that we have descended into this environment of political violence that seems to be getting worse. And I feel like it gets egged on to some extent by the media, by politicians, by the elite. I don't think it's necessarily even done in a cynical way. It's just the partisan brain that has completely taken over political media and our politicians. And unfortunately, they kind of have a monopoly on the debate and the discussion. And I feel like it's fueling this ideology where people think it's okay to engage in political violence as, you know, a means of solving whatever issue they think the country faces. What do you make of that? Yeah, I agree. I think that the incentives are all

messed up. Like in government, how often do you see Chuck Schumer getting up there and saying Donald Trump is just such a existential threat and we're all going to be? And when I see something like that, I think, okay, what is he not saying while he's making this big theater of how angry he is at Trump and how Trump is going to just wipe us off the face of the earth if we don't do X, Y, and Z. He's not talking about Medicaid. He's not talking about Medicare. He's not talking about other policy stuff. So to a large extent, I think that they use the theater of like just everything is superlative, everything is the biggest threat ever and the most important election ever. They use that to not have to make specific policy promises that would actually

cost them in terms of their base of, you know, power support and donors, that kind of thing. And so I see it as a cop out in a lot of ways and useful to them to just like ratchet up rhetoric can sound like, look, I'm doing all this really exciting stuff. Not just the Democrats, Trump too, when he does these, when he, when he blows up the boat in the Caribbean, no serious person, even hawks in the drug war thinks blowing up one boat is going to have an appreciative effect on the drug war. He does it so that he can flex and say, look at how serious I am about this thing, because he's under pressure to deliver on whatever it is that he ran on.

In this case, it's talking about the drug work is the way that they're rationalizing both legally and rhetorically. Strikes like those are saying, and the reason people sympathize with it is not necessarily because they want to kill people. It's because there is a real fentanyl problem. And they have been told that by doing this, we're going to fix the fentanyl problem. And so since he's not actually going to fix that in a systemic way, you've got to create this theater of look how tough I'm being, just like I was talking about with the Democrats. So I think that's really what's happening here. And the side effect of that, I think the unintended consequences of that is everyone just goes crazy because you're just on operating on, you know, full cylinder, you know, just ringing the alarm all the time. And some people are going to take that seriously.

I mean, that's the reason why I see this administration as like the K-Fabe, like presidency. Everything does feel like wrestling, like the kind of wrestling theater that you can expect, right? Nothing's really real, but it's exciting and it seems like something real is happening. Like the National Guard deployments. I oppose those, and I think that's bad just because it's corrosive to democratic attitudes to just see troops marching around. That being said, they're not going to do anything. This is a show.

They don't have the rules of engagement. They don't have authority to shoot at someone. When I interview them, many of the people I talk to, they're like, I'm not going to do that even if they tell me to. I'll go to jail before I shoot at somebody who hasn't done that thing wrong. Oh, thank God. Yeah. So that's great. Yeah. So but then the Democrats look at that and they say, okay, look, it's a military coup is coming. They're going to overthrow the country. Very convenient for them because then they don't have to deliver on anything. They don't need to have any actual policy concessions. They can just say, look how scary the other side is. And any sort of nuance talk about why this is a dumb idea and a waste of money and a waste of time. And like I said, before, corrosive to democratic culture, that all goes out the window. And everyone goes home in a limo. Trump gets his theater to say, look at how badly I'm sure. the libs, the libs get triggered and scare their base. Everyone benefits except the public.

Yeah, and I feel like we're constantly stuck in this like doom loop of hysteria, right? You're making people panic. And like what what Trump is doing is wrong. Obviously, I disagree with what he's doing with deploying the National Guard as well. But the way that it's discussed, the way that it's marketed by Democrats, I think leads to a lot of hysteria, a lot of fear, which could potentially lead to someone, you know, taking matters in their own hands because they think they're going to do something right in saving the country. So that's something to keep in mind. I want to end on one other question because I think it's worth talking about the symbols that were found on the bullets and what they represent because there's been a lot of like mixed reporting about that as well, you know, starting with the initial Wall Street Journal piece that claimed that there were pro trans symbols on those bullets. And then, you know, later, you know, other. reporting cold water on that. But there were symbols on the bullets. What did they mean? Yeah. So in one case, I think there were like five arrows or three arrows or something.

And this is the rare case where I was sympathetic to the federal agents because this stuff is so insular, the gaming subculture in which of which he was a part that I could see why you would look at that and think, okay, maybe that's the three arrows from Antifa, which I think is what the federal agents that leaked that to can remember who it was. And initially, to that conclusion and thought that. And then in the case of what was written on it, what did he write? He said, catch fascist or something like that. Like, I can see why you would think that that's anti-fought. And so I started looking at, right, exactly. All of those things on their face, you know, it makes sense for that. But I think now that you look at the text

messages that he was showing with his partner and saying, saying, oh, you're going to see this on TV soon and, you know, or making gaming references even in the text messages, I'm not trying to say that he didn't hold certain left-wing views, particularly on LGBT issues. But I'm just saying it's like, this is such a subtle manner of speaking that they had developed, that it's like you've got to really just sit down, hunker down, and try to figure out what it is that they mean by all this. And what I found was it was way more complicated than the red team versus blue team thing that we saw. the in the first 48 hours after the shooting yeah look i think the nuance the truth lies in the nuance and you can't really simplify people the way that we've been simplifying uh you know whether

it's mass shooters whether it's public figures it doesn't matter i mean in this case i think the story is actually a lot more complicated i think the motivation the motive behind the shooting so far is pretty clear and no matter what what he did was wrong he murdered someone um so i'm really Thankful for the kind of reporting you do because you like to actually dive into that nuance and help people kind of understand what's going on beneath the surface. So everyone, please check out Ken Klippenstein's reporting over at Ken Klippenstein.com. And Ken, thank you again for joining us. Thanks so much, Anna.

Good seeing you again. Good to see you. All right, everyone. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, I want to talk a little bit about that hearing today. The second day of Cash Patel's hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Thomas Massey grilled him, and it was fascinating to say the least, stick around. The new BMO, V-I-Porter MasterCard, is your ticket to more, more perks, more points, more flights, more of all the things you want in a travel rewards card, and then some.

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You free, may she rest in peace. Yeah, you just heard that. That was Congressman Thomas Massey grilling FBI director Cash Patel on the second day of the hearing where he's essentially testifying and answering questions before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Actually, no, that was Congressman Thomas Massey. So this is not the Senate Judiciary Committee. I guess now he's testifying before members of the House. And I'm glad he's doing that because Thomas Massey came prepared. He had a line of questioning that I found worthy of highlighting.

And then more importantly, I think that Massey managed to catch Cache Patel in multiple inconsistencies. So we're going to show you that. But you just saw him name names. He just named someone who, according to the documents, and allegedly according to Thomas Massey, was one of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. So that's pretty amazing. He's been willing to name names. He said, you know, if the Epstein files are never released, the victims of Epstein's are willing to share the names with him. And he will basically make those names public.

But I want you to hear more of what Thomas Massey had to say in his, you know, in the lead up to his question to FBI director, Cash Patel. Take a look at this. I watched some of your Senate hearing yesterday when Senator Kennedy asked you, you've seen most of the files, if anyone did Epstein traffic these women to besides himself, you replied, according to the transcript. There is no credible information that he trafficked them to anyone else. You also said somewhere in the hearing and here today that the problem is that the case files are constrained by limited search warrants from 2006 to 2007, and that the non-prosecution agreement, hamstrung future investigations. Those constraints only apply the Southern District of Florida.

They do not apply to Southern District of New York, the location of the 2019 sex trafficking indictment, which produced many things, including a series of FD 302 documents. According to victims who cooperated with the FBI in that investigation, these documents in FBI possession, your possession, detail at least 20 men, including Mr. Jess Staley, CEO of Barclays Bank, who Jeffrey Epstein trafficked victims to. Okay, so we're going to get to Jess Staley in just a moment. We're going to talk about who he is and what his relationship was with Jeffrey Epstein. Because naming names is a big deal.

And Thomas Massey now on the second occasion has been willing to do that. Before we get to that, though, we got to give Massey credit for calling Cash Patel out for the lie that he told when he was testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee just yesterday. He essentially claimed, you know, there's nothing we can do. at this point, the investigation is over. He made it seem as though as FBI director at this point, he's hamstrung, there's nothing he can do. You can't open investigations into Jeffrey Epstein's clients. But obviously Thomas Massey just proved that is not the case. So what's going on here? Why are you refusing to not only release the Epstein files, which I think the American people should obviously have access to, there should be transparency by our government. But more

importantly, if you know that there are Epstein clients and these 302 documents lists them, why aren't you opening investigations into these clients who victimized minors? So I thought that was a telling moment to say the least. Now, let's talk a little bit about Jess Staley, who's one of the 20 people that Thomas Massey is referring to from these 302 documents. So basically the 302 documents for those who don't know are basically like the testimony that the victim shared through the investigation. It's a summary of all of that info, right? So he has those 302 documents. And so who is Jess Staley? Well, he did have a long running relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. In 1999, Staley was the chief executive for J.P. Morgan's private bank. And he was also part

of a team that managed money and investments for Jeffrey Epstein with whom he quickly developed what is referred to as a fairly close personal relationship. And it was a close relationship. He went to the Jeffrey Epstein Island, vacationed with him, alleged that he went on family vacations. I don't know if I believe that. But here's what else we know. Staley was soon holiday on Epstein's private island flying on his private plane. and gaining access to an impressive portfolio of ministers, entrepreneurs, and royalty. The relationship ended up bolstering Staley's profile on Wall Street and even connecting his daughter to senior figures at Ivy League universities.

So you kind of get a sense of how things work for the insiders, right? Now, that relationship, though, also eventually ended up destroying Staley's career. Why is that? Well, in July of 2019, Epstein was arrested on child sex trafficking charges, accused of sexually exploiting and abusing dozens of girls at homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach, Florida. Some victims were as young as 14 U.S. prosecutors alleged. So that drew attention to Epstein's friends, including Staley. By the time Staley, by the time that this happened, right, by the time the 2019 arrest of Epstein

occurred, at that point, Staley is the chief executive. executive over at Barclays, it moved on. And so Barclays told the financial conduct authority in October of 2019 that the pair did not have a close relationship and were last in contact well before Staley took over as chief executive four years earlier. That was not true. That was a lie, a total lie. A subsequent FCA investigation involving 102,000 emails from J.P. Morgan convinced the regulator it had been misled. It alleged that the pair were indeed close friends and stayed in touch via Staley's daughter for years after he joined Barclays. Now keep in mind, I mean, this was the second time Jeffrey Epstein had been arrested.

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staley was issued a fine of 1.8 million pounds and banned from holding senior management roles in the city in 2023, leading to him losing about 18 million pounds worth of pay. This was a piece that was published in The Guardian, which is why they're using pounds as opposed to dollars. Now, later in the hearing, Thomas Massey asked Patel about the clients who were later identified by victims in the 302 files. So again, the 302 files refer to FBI form FD302 documents used by agents to summarize interviews with victims, witnesses, and suspects. So that's what he's referring to. And he has that documentation. And he wants to ask Cash Patel about it. Let's take a look at what Cash Patel has to say. That list also includes at least

19 other individuals, one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars, one Royal Prince, one high profile individual in the music industry, one very prominent banker, one high profile government official, one high profile former politician, one owner of a car company in Italy, one rock star, one magician, at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada. We know these people exist in the FBI files, the files that you control. I don't know exactly who they are, but the FBI does. That's fascinating. So there you have Thomas Massey, again, in possession of the 302 files and descriptions of the clients. So again, obviously through this line of questioning, Thomas Massey has caught the FBI

director in yet another lie. Because what was the initial lie that kind of snowballed into the mess that the Trump administration is currently dealing with? Well, they promised to release the Epstein files. And then out of nowhere, you have a statement coming from the Trump administration alleging there is no client list. There were no clients. There's nothing to see here. That was a lie. That was very clearly a deception by the Trump administration to the American people. And it's pretty gross. So what does Cash Patel have to say about that? Have you launched any investigations into any of these people? And have you seen these 302 documents? Sir, I have asked my FBI agents to review the entirety of the Epstein files and bring forth any credible information.

And we're working with Congress not only to divulge that information and produce it to you, but any investigations that arise from any credible investigation will be brought. There have been no new materials brought to me launching a new indict. That did not in any way satisfy Congressman Massey. He kept pushing. And this is where I believe Cash Patel gets caught in yet another inconsistency, another lie. Take a look. So is the loophole here, or is your assertion that these victims aren't credible,

that the 302s maybe didn't produce credible statements that rise to a probable cause? It's not my assertion, sir. It's the assertion of two different United States attorney's offices from three separate administrations who investigated those same materials in lifetime. The 302 documents in the FBI's possession? They reviewed all that, yes, sir. And so have you reviewed those 302 documents that were the victims name the people who victimized them? If I personally know, but the FBI has.

So how can you sit here and in front of the Senate and say there are no names? I said all I named one today. I said, we are not in the practice of the Department of Justice FBI of releasing victims' names. That is not what we do. We are also not in the habit of releasing incredible information. That's not what we do. But multiple authorities have looked at the entirety of what we have. You have to admit that moment was incredible.

What would Cash Patel prior to entering the Trump administration have to say to anyone else, the previous FBI director making the same argument? before the House Judiciary Committee. Oh, he would definitely excoriate that person, accuse them of being part of a cover-up, because that's what this is. It's a cover-up. How do you say that there were no clients?

When you haven't, I mean, he just admitted right there that he hasn't reviewed the documents, that previous administrations. Let me get the exact wording that he used. He basically places the onus on two different U.S. attorney's offices across three previous administration. administrations. Okay, but you're FBI director. Why don't you review the alleged co-conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein's? Why don't you consider bringing charges forward? And more importantly,

what's stopping you? What's stopping you? Man, Cash Patel is not good at this. We used to have more sophisticated liars in the administration, you know? And that's the thing. we're really having a competency problem in this country, even when it comes to federal liars. And I guess that's a good thing, at least for the American people, because now we can actually see it happening in real time when we're being deceived. But that's what's happening here. And for whatever you might think about Thomas Massey's libertarianism and his stances on other political policies, you've got to hand him a lot of credit for demanding justice for Jeffrey Epstein's victims. And wanting transparency on behalf of the American people.

That's what a leader does. And he deserves respect for that. I respect him for doing this. His line of questioning to me went beyond the usual typical political theater that we can see during these hearings. He wants answers and he's holding Cash Patel's feet to the fire. Now, at this point, what remains a mystery to me is whether the expression on Cash Patel's face, you know, that constant bug-eyed look of shock and fear. If it's just like his mainline, you know, facial expression, or if he's really panicking.

Because if he's not, he should. He's been outed as a fake, as a phony, as someone who's engaging in a cover-up, and I think it's wrong. All right, we got to take a break. When we come back, we've got a lot more to get to, including what Tucker Carlson has to say about Charlie Kirk's views on a particular foreign leader. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the Young Turks, Anna Casparian here with you on this lovely Wednesday. Let's get right to our next story.

are watching, you're watching Israeli soldiers dump piles of psychiatric medications on the table during a Knesset subcommittee meeting on mental health. The medications included fentanyl and other drugs that soldiers have resorted to as a result of the mental health crisis they're facing due to their role in the ongoing genocide in Gaza. And they argue that the Israeli government is not providing enough support to keep them sane. Now, I think anyone that has a conscience would struggle with the slaughter of innocence that continues to happen in the Gaza Strip at the hands of the IDF. And so this has taken a toll not only on the innocent civilians in the Gaza Strip, but it's

apparently taking a toll on the mental health of the IDF soldiers who interrupted and protested, during this Knesset subcommittee meeting. Now, this has led to suicides among soldiers, according to figures cited by Channel 12, at least 12 soldiers have died by suicide so far in 2025, a figure that does not even include reservists, not on active duty at the time of their deaths. So the number is actually an underestimate. It's actually higher. So in 2024, 21 soldiers died by suicide, the highest annual toll in over a decade.

In 2023, the figure stood at 17, including seven following Hamas' October 7th assault, most of them are reservists. And despite the absolute destruction that Netanyahu's genocide on the Palestinian people has led to both in Gaza and in Israel, their economy not doing so well, you have mass protests happening on a regular basis, it's tearing the country apart. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. His complete and utter disregard for the hostages should infuriate and enrage people

who were absolutely enraged after what happened on October 7th. Because there's no indication to me that this current Israeli government has ever given a damn about the hostages. They have used the hostages as a pawn to continue carrying out the butchering and the brutalization and slaughter of innocent people in Gaza. And so this, again, what we're seeing with the IDF soldiers, again, I think has a lot to do with the death and destruction they're carrying out. And an Israeli sniper just spoke to Haretz and admitted to killing innocent civilians, including children who are attempting to get aid in Gaza. Now, you might be thinking, Anna, isn't this an old story? No, this is a new one.

This is a new story with new IDF soldiers who are essentially reinforced. previous reporting from Haaretz that indicated that they were ordered to shoot at starving Palestinians at these aid hubs that, you know, for the most part at this point are run by the Gaza humanitarian foundation. So let's get to some of the comments, some of the statements that they've made in this reporting. So one IDF soldier says it started about two months ago, the soldier who went by the pseudonym Benny told the Israeli paper as part of a story focusing on the mental toll on IDF soldiers in Gaza. Every day we have the same mission to secure the humanitarian aid in the northern Gaza

strip. It's like a game of cat and mouse. They try to come from a different direction every time and I'm there with the sniper rifle and the officers are yelling at me. Take him down. Take him down. I fire 50 to 60 bullets every day. I've stopped counting kills.

I have no idea how many I've killed. lot, children. So as angry as the IDF's conduct in the Gaza Strip makes me, and it does make me angry, and you guys all know this, there is some percentage of those soldiers who have a conscience, and that conscience is weighing heavy at the moment, considering how many innocent people they know they've killed. Another soldier who went by Yoni shared a story about killing two children in Bet Lahia, that's in northern Gaza, after one soldier shouted that terrorists were approaching. So without even confirming anything, you know, they shout terrorists. And at that point, according to this IDF soldier, yeah, I don't know what makes a person

like him decide he's going, oh, I'm sorry, let's put this graphic up. Sorry, I had the wrong papers in front of me. I don't know what happened here. There we go. I saw the bodies of two children, maybe eight or 10 years old. I have no idea. There was blood everywhere, lots of signs of gunfire. I knew it was all on me that I did this. I wanted to throw up. After a few minutes, the company commander arrived and said coldly,

as if he wasn't a human being, they entered an extermination zone. It is their fault. This is what war is like. So it doesn't surprise me at all that the commander, said that because they're pretty heartless when it comes to the Palestinian people. They don't really seem to have any remorse when innocent people die. In fact, even when they are responsible for the slaughter of innocent people,

they someway somehow managed to blame it on Hamas. But obviously some of these IDF soldiers know what the truth is, and they really can't stomach the fact that they're responsible for killing so many innocent people. But it keeps happening. And there are no bricks on this car. And again, Netanyahu, just to prove how little he cares about anyone, including his own people, he is tearing his own country apart through his actions, through the continuation of this genocide in Gaza.

He knows that by bombing Qatar, as ceasefire negotiations are supposed to take place with the Hamas negotiators, well, he doesn't want peace. He literally blew peace negotiations. up because it was never about getting the hostages back. It was always about exploiting the atrocities that took place on October 7th, the fact that those hostages exist, to essentially carry out a political project that Netanyahu has always wanted, which is this expansionist greater Israel policy, and it also allows him to remain in power at a time when he's facing serious corruption charges. That's who Netanyahu is.

So the ground invasion in Gaza city continues. Already we know that a ton of innocent people have died. You know, you have the former chief of staff in Israel opening up about what the death toll really is. And guess what? Very similar to the death toll that keeps getting reported by the Gaza health ministry. You know, the same health ministry that the Israeli government wants you to disbelieve because of the fact that they're run by Hamas. But then you have this Halevi guy who's like, he's not remorseful. Let me just be clear about that. He's just shedding light on how many people they've killed and how many people

are injured in Gaza. So let's put the first graphic up on this because I want to read you some of his quotes. Sorry guys. I don't know what happened in my papers. I'm a mess. But he says, So the retired general told a community meeting in southern Israel earlier this week that more than 10% of Gaza's 2.2 million population had been killed or injured, more than 200,000 people. Again, these are numbers that are very similar, very similar to what we have seen reported by the Gaza Health Ministry. The current official toll is 64,718 Palestinians killed in Gaza and 163,859. injured since the start of the war on October 7th, 2023, many thousands more are feared dead with their bodies burned in the rubble.

So I guess part of me feels at least a little bit of relief that there are still people who feel guilt, who are able to feel guilt, who are able to see Palestinians as human beings. But even IDF soldiers who have been speaking out and testifying against Netanyahu, against the Knesset, against the Israeli government, just get ignored. And it just kind of shows you the level of brutality this current Israeli government is willing to carry out. All right, we got to take a break. When we come back, Jank Uger joins me for the second hour.

We're going to talk a little bit about his appearance on Tucker Carlson show yesterday. And we're also going to get into what Tucker Carlson had to say about Charlie Kirk's actual beliefs as it pertains to Benjamin Netanyahu. Come right back. Grab a coffee and discover Vegas-level excitement with BetMGM Casino, now introducing our hottest exclusive, friends, the one with MaltiDrop. Your favorite classic television show is. being reimagined into your favorite casino game featuring iconic images from the show. Spin our new exclusive because we're not on a break. Play Friends, the one with Multidrop, exclusively at BetMGM Casino.

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