The Young Turks - Kirk Killer Manhunt - September 11, 2025

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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So we're going to talk a lot about that because that is awfully strange. And then we're going to have the reactions of Democrats and Republicans to what's been happening. And then a little bit later in the program, of course, we're going to do other stories as well, including Jerry Seinfeld being weirdly racist in a way that I did not expect. So that's super disappointing. All right, we'll get to all that. Anna, you're in New York. I know you're going to be on CNN tonight.

Everybody needs to check down out at 10 o'clock Eastern. So let's do it. What do you got for us? Well, I wanted to start off with the latest in the investigation to find the suspect who's still at large. So let's get into the details and where things stand at this moment. The shooter who murdered Charlie Kirk is still at large and a manhunt continues to be underway. But today, the FBI did release two photos of who they believe is a person of interest. Those are the images that you're looking at right now. Obviously, the shooter that, or at least the person they believe is a person of interest, is male.

And the former FBI assistant director Chris Swecker said something kind of interesting on CNN today in regard to the images that were released. I want to share that perspective with you just so you have a more comprehensive perspective on what people are saying. who the suspect may be. Take a look. There's one thing that I think is very inconsistent and it bothers me. And that is that photo that you're looking at right now. That's the photo of this guy blending in. The description that the FBI put out, the description you just heard on that radio, was a description of someone who was in tactical gear fully kidded out.

It sounded like. Now, granted, he could have hit all that stuff, but that hasn't been found. So I'm not sure that, you know, there's an inconsistency there that could actually come back later at a trial to be what I would call exculpatory material. To be quite frank, so far this investigation, the attempt to find the suspect at large, I don't know, Jank, it really bothers me that this person was able to carry out this assassination in an event with that. Thousands of people in broad daylight, a single shot to the neck killed Charlie Kirk. And this person so far has been able to get away with it. And so I've got a lot more details, including the weapon that authorities have found that they allege belongs to the shooter. But before I give you all those details, I just want to get your initial thoughts.

Yeah. So this is super strange. So normally what amateurs do is they go in a close distance and they fire a whole bunch of shots, right? because they don't want to miss, and they're usually, you know, mentally on balance. They very rarely go on a rooftop, plant it out meticulously, take only one shot, be absolutely sure that it was a kill shot, and then get down, get away, maybe switch out of fatigues, we don't find the fatigues, then later we hilariously are told that, oh, look at this, we found a rifle in the middle of the woods. It says transgender ideologiant. Does it, does it?

Well, we're going to get to some of those answers in a little bit as well. So no, none of this looks like an amateur. And so there's debate about can you, is it easy to hit someone from 200 yards? Do you aim for the neck? Do you not aim for the neck? Et cetera. But I think that that's an important and interesting conversation. But that's only part of the conversation.

The other parts are all these things. He's in fatigues, no, he's not, right? We got him, no, we didn't. But the bottom line, Anna, as we sort all this out, we're going to give you all the details here is, are they going to catch him or not? Because if they catch him and we find out who it is and it's a rational explanation, no problem.

Great, that's awesome. Bring him to justice and we find out what happened. If they don't catch him, you're telling me one shot, he gets a makes a clean getaway and he wasn't a professional. He was a random psycho. No, I won't believe that. And so they better find him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, absolutely. And you know, justice, of course, is the most important thing here. But also really fully understanding the motive is incredibly important. I mean, obviously we've had issues in this country with

political divisions. And it's inspiring people to say some pretty scary things in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's, you know, killing. And so I'm worried about where we are as a nation. But let me give you some more details about where the investigation currently is. So state and federal officials claim that they have tracked the shooter's movements and recovered what they believe is his firearm, which he allegedly used to shoot Kirk from a nearby roof at Utah Valley University. So this was during the event at Utah Valley University. The Utah Department of Public Safety Commissioner, Bo Mason, says that the shooter arrived on campus at 1152 a.m. local time appear to be of college age. And the images that were just released by the FBI do seem to indicate that the individual was of college age.

And that the individual also blended well on campus, blended in well. Now, the gunmen went through stairwells and climbed up to a. roof to the location in which the shooting was carried out. There are videos of a person on the roof. I'm sure many of you have seen those videos. There's video of the person on the roof then running away after the shooting took place. Now Mason said that after the shooting, we were able to track his movements as he moved to the other side of the building, jumped off of the building and fled off of the campus and into a neighborhood. Our investigators have worked through those neighborhoods contacting anybody they can with doorbell cameras and have thoroughly

worked through those communities trying to identify any leads. So this is insane. I mean, when you really consider the fact that this took place at a public event where a ton of people are attending, when you take into consideration the fact that there are cameras literally everywhere in every community, every neighborhood, every public place, the fact that we don't have a suspect apprehended yet is beyond concerning. Now, according to FBI, FBI investigators also collected and will analyze a footwear impression and also a palm print and forearm imprints. Now, let's talk a little bit more about the weapon jank. So authorities found a high-powered bolt action rifle they believe was the weapon used to shoot Kirk from afar. Authorities say that this was reported by the Wall Street

Journal. Authorities say that phrases related to cultural issues were found engraved on the rifle and ammunition. Now, we should proceed with caution because I was just reading a report indicating that authorities thought that some arrows that were engraved on the weapon or on the bullets indicated some sort of transgender ideology. And later they realized that wasn't the case. But here's what the Wall Street Journal reported as of this morning. The older model 30 caliber hunting rifle was discovered in the woods, wrapped in a towel with a spent cartridge still in the chamber. There were also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording on them. But again, investigators found the ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and

anti-fascist ideology inside the rifle. But again, the note of caution I'm referring to was mentioned in the New York Times, a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation, cautioned that the report had not been verified by ATF analysis, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. So again, things are still very much up in the air. Considering Charlie Kirk's political ideology, it is not farfetched that this was a politically motivated assassination. I want to be clear about that. I'm not just trying to pour cold water on it. But I am saying this. This investigation so far has been abysmal, absolutely abysmal. And it's because of the endless contradicting

information that's coming out. They have a suspect apprehended. Now they don't have a suspect apprehended. It's a person of interest. Now this person isn't a person of interest. The very first thing that happened immediately after the shooting was a video started circulating online of an older man being apprehended by officials, by law enforcement, that person was not a suspect. So look, I'm worried. I'm really, really worried. And the longer this takes, the more violent rhetoric I'm seeing online. And what's more concerning is when you don't have a suspect and you're unable to find a clear motive that also, of course, furthers some conspiratorial thoughts. And I'm also seeing that online. Jank.

Yeah, no, look, I'm super suspicious. And look, to me, the most important part of all of this, other than obviously the tragic death of Charlie Kurt is I don't trust our government at all anymore. I know. So they, okay, and this has not helped 1%. It has been, it's been terrible. Because, okay, to your point, Anna, okay, so we caught the guy, we didn't cash the guy. Cash Patel, put that out. Don't you can't put that out on a tweet that you caught him like we read it on air because that's the director of the FBI saying we caught the guy and then a couple hours later they're like sorry we didn't catch him at all all right so that's all right that's point that's weird he's in fatigues no he's not that's also weird we couldn't find any trace of him except conveniently this rifle with the bullets and then the casings and it says transgender and

Antifa I mean it sounds like an 80 year old who's like what are the kids saying line, what should we say about the left? Oh, I am a believer in transgender ideology. And I am Antifa, that's really? Okay, Antifa. That's a little old. Okay, so conveniently that's the only thing you found. And then the New York Times says, oh, by the way, that might not be true at all. What's going on here? So, like, again, if they catch the guy alive and we find out who did it, then it restores a little bit of faith in the government. So do I know that they're going to catch him? No, I don't know. No, obviously I'm very, very much rooting that they do.

If they don't catch them guys, then I lose all faith in the government. What the F is going on here? So I mean, Cash Patel, yeah, sure, he's a clown, right? And that's why you shouldn't put clowns as the head of the FBI. You also weirdly took off the lead FBI person in Salt Lake City just a little while back. Why did he get rid of her? That's super weird, okay, and then now they said college age, by the way, yeah, he could be college aged or he could be 30.

And it's like they put you in a certain mindset when they give a description. For example, they could have said, oh, the one thing we know for sure is these white males. So that gets you in the mindset of white male. Now I don't care what mindset you're in, right? So the fact that he's a white male probably has almost nothing to do with it, right? But why did you say college age? And we see the thing, the pictures anyway. Like that's the best description you have on a college campus filled with tens of thousands of students.

I don't know, all of this is super weird. And to your point, Jank, you know, I hadn't really thought about that description, the college age description. But now that you bring that up, you know, there were people there who probably saw things and might provide lead. or tips to authorities. And so when you come out with a description that's so specific like that, if someone saw something a little strange, they might think, oh, well, this person wasn't college aged or, oh, this person actually wasn't, you know, a young white male. So maybe this wasn't anything suspicious.

Like, I just feel like so far from what I have seen from this investigation, there's just foible after foible, I feel like they're bungling it. And it makes me angry. Like, it really makes me angry for a number of different reasons. Someone getting killed in broad daylight like that, a political figure getting killed in broad daylight like that, that is freaking terrifying. And this person absolutely needs to be brought to justice. And the fact that this investigation seems like one fumble after another, you know,

this country was already having issues with the American public, having little to no faith in our institutions. And honestly, this investigation has not inspired much confidence. And look, Jank, I'm going to just keep it real. Okay, for anyone out there who is cruel enough and quite frankly stupid enough to celebrate a political assassination because you had political disagreements with Charlie Kirk, well, think about what kind of culture and what kind of environment you are rooting for in this country because some of your favorite political commentators and pundits could be next.

Yeah. And quite frankly, I'm also seeing a ton of people on the right who are saying all sorts of scary things about how we're at war now. We're at war with the left, essentially egging on a culture of violence when in reality we should be condemning violence, absolutely condemning violence. We should be allowed to have political debates and political disagreements in a democracy without fear of suffering from any type of harm, physical harm, murder, anything. And so we're in a scary place, Jank. That's the reality of the situation.

Yeah, so I have thoughts on that too. But first, one more thing about the details of this killing. If this person knew their getaway, got there at eight minutes before the shooting, if I've got that part of the story right. So got in, got out, that means they very likely stake the place out earlier. So look, if you're a cop and you're an investigator of this stuff, that's I'm sure elementary to you. And then you're gonna look at the video from the day before, the day before that, et cetera,

until you figure out when he staked it out, right? Because you gotta see him on the roof at some point. I mean, it would be shocking if he didn't stake it out. How to hell would you know what his getaway plan is, et cetera? Where he's gonna shoot him from, which roof to shoot from, what's the best angle? etc. He must have staked it out. So I don't blame them for not talking about it now because they might be doing an investigation, et cetera. But it just feels like there's a lot of things to look at whether it's all he, they're right, not just the smartphones, but all the ring

doorbells, oh my God, they're going to have so much video, right? Now anytime anybody does anything, they're always on camera, right? And on top of that, you had to have him doing the stakeout earlier. So you have potentially video from that moment. that helps you put together the piece of the puzzle. So that's among the reasons why I say, if they don't ever figure it out, and golly, gee, he just got away. But trust us, he was some rando amateur who probably, you know, hated Charlie for his culture war issues or whatever.

No, I don't believe you at all, at all, you'll never get me to believe that. And it's not a left, right thing, guys. So to Anna's point about some of the very small, I haven't seen any prominent people doing it, But some small folks, you know, just people with relatively small followings, I mean, going out there and saying stupid things, right? Oh, celebrating and I just, it's stomach churning. If you're on the left, you're supposed to be for decency and humanity and morality and for the sanctity of our life, our rights, etc.

I mean, it's not even close. The left I grew up in has compassion and empathy and doesn't go around making fun of people who got killed, that's insanity, right? So, and then on the right, you guys keep, oh, it was the left wing's rhetoric, and we'll do talk more about this a little bit later in the show, but it's, oh, it's left wing rhetoric. So that's why we have to go get the left. But wait, you're doing the rhetoric that you're blaming others for. So like everybody cool it, bring it down. Let's find the guy who did it. Let's bring him to justice.

And if we don't, not only A, does that make it. way more likely that he's a professional and not an amateur, right? But number two, for two reasons, somebody assassinated a media figure in this country and did it in a super professional way. And in that fact pattern, we didn't catch him, that's very concerning. Number two, he's still out there. Even if he's a rando, he's still out there. So we can't not catch him.

It would be the most unacceptable thing that happened. And if anybody's playing stupid games, this isn't the 1960s. You're not going to be able to go, oh, yeah, there was a magic bullet. Yeah, a bunch of senators looked into it. It's not even 9-11. Oh, yeah, a bunch of senators looked into it. They found all these passports and right on the rubble and that didn't melt with everything else. Whatever, you're not going to get away with any of that stuff.

People are going to, if the cops don't do it, we're going to swarm and try to get all the videos, et cetera. Because it is not acceptable not to catch this guy. And so last thing on that, Anna, if we don't catch them, we're all in danger. And we're all in danger for a number of reasons, not just because of the ensuing cycle of violence, not just because he's still out there, but it also means because our government either can't or won't protect us. And that's really scary. I agree. Well, we got to take a break, but when we come back, I think it's worth talking a little bit about the divisions in America, what the right is saying, what the left is saying,

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We can't do this kind of honest. show without the support that you guys give through membership. All right, Anna, what's next? Well, I wanted to talk a little bit about the divisions in America and how they kind of have worsened following the killing of Charlie Kirk. So let's get into those details. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it,

as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country. That was President Donald Trump last night, promising what reporter Ken Klippenstein has described as a counter-terrorism-style response to the assassination of political activist Charlie Kirk. Now, here's more of what the president had to say. It's a long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers in Christianity. criminals, this kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now. From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father,

to the attacks on ice agents, to the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leaders, Steve Scalise, and three others. Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. Just want to note that political violence has unfortunately harmed people on both sides of the political aisle, and we can get into details about that. But I also want to note that the political ideology of the would-be assassin from Butler, Pennsylvania, is not clear. Okay, so you can claim that he's on the left, but he was a registered Republican. Anyway, whatever, I just, the most frustrating thing about this is the rhetoric used on both sides of the political aisle can get fiery to pretend like that fiery rhetoric only exists on the left is a bit ridiculous.

The other thing that's a bit ridiculous is, you know, Trump kind of his political rhetoric kind of ebbs and flows. So you'll hear him say things that I believe as president of the United States is incredibly responsible at a time when, a leader should be trying to cool tensions and get the temperature down a little bit. But then he comes out and says things that seem to be a little more, I guess, calm. So for instance, it's worth noting that this morning Trump kind of changed his tone and was preaching unity in a private message to CNBC's Joe Kernan. So let's take a quick look at that. He's devastated about Charlie Kirk and said that what a guy would have put a great individual and he said he helped him greatly in the last election and thinks that Charlie Kirk could have

been president someday. He was such a talented guy. Then he went on to say the country will heal. He's focused on what he has been focused on and he says I'm focused on winning. If the country wins and if I do everything I can to help the country win, that we're all going to be able to come together again. It would be nice to hear that message directly from the president's mouth. But, you know, that message was relayed by a friend of his. And this morning, actually later today, Trump changed his tone yet again. Here we are.

Not really. I'm really concerned for our country. we have a great country we have a radical left group of lunatics out there just absolute lunatics and we're going to get that problem south i'm only concerned for the country so jank you know there's a lot of commentary on the right about the left the radical left they're already being blamed even though we don't have a suspect apprehended even though we don't have a clear motive And look, again, I want to repeat, it is not far-fetched for the shooter to be left-wing. However, we don't know yet.

And on top of that, you know, Charlie Kirk was not someone who was on the far, far-right. Okay? In fact, he had a pretty significant group of haters who were on the right of him, who didn't like him, and would harass him at public events. So I don't know who the shooter is. No one knows who the shooter is. No one knows what the motive is. But it doesn't help to have the president, you know, the political left, which is, you know,

inspiring some folks, some public figures on the right to declare that we're at war, that they're at war with the left, right? That they want to attack the left and I don't know. The rhetoric I'm hearing is really scary. But what are your thoughts about this? Yeah. So look, guys, we can do what aboutisms all day long. I'm just going to say that list a couple from both sides so you know it's absurd to think that it's only one side, right?

So the former lieutenant governor of North Carolina was Republican ran for governor of North Carolina and said sometimes you just have to kill people. There was the Democratic legislators shot in Minnesota just a couple of weeks ago. There was the four Democratic legislators shot at in New Mexico a couple of years ago. There was the Paul Pelosi attack. There's all the manifesto shooters. On the other side, there's the guy who shot Steve Scalise. There's this now, there was a couple of shots at Trump obviously, right? So okay, I got it.

There's way too much violence from both sides. So the answer to that isn't, it's the left's fault, it's the rights fault. The answer to that is everybody bring it down. We have to be a united country. If we just, so look, the great irony of the people that are now, saying it was the left's rhetoric that's at fault. So it's the entire left and we have to go get them. Even if that were true, look at what you're saying.

You're making the same mistake that you're charging them of making by saying it's all of them. We have to get them, et cetera. So whereas here on the Young Turks, we've now said it, I don't know, hundreds of times, thousands of times, where when there's a shooter, or somebody, crazy that says something nuts, et cetera. They do not represent all Trump voters if they're on the right. And they don't represent all Biden, Kamala Harris, et cetera, voters if they're on the left. So that should be obvious. But oftentimes these politicians and media figures

obfuscate that. They don't want that to be obvious to you. They go, that guy that this crazy lunatic talking about, oh, it's so great that they shot Charlie. That's it. That's the entire left. Come on, guys. I mean, there's over 70 million Democratic voters. Most of them, are living like rural areas, suburbs, and center of their families. They don't, they're not rando 13 year olds on Twitter who are saying crazy stupid stuff. So I that should be obvious to all this, but I don't think it's even close to obvious. And and so as you're gonna give us more examples here, Anna, I want you to keep in mind as you're watching this.

Does this look like it's people who are trying to be responsible? In fact, sorry Anna, let me read one thing from one of our members, because I think it's a really good point. Liberty isn't free as a member on t-y-t, t-y-t.com, and they wrote in, I think George W. Bush is a war criminal. But the one thing I'll always give him credit for is that he united us after 9-11. Trump had an opportunity to do the same yesterday and chose not to do that. He wants us hating each other and fighting each other because it will take all eyes off him. We cannot let that happen. So whether you're super mad at Trump or you're super mad at the left, either way, you're going in the wrong direction.

So like, I mean today, right, you disagree on policy, you hate the left wing policy, you hate the right wing policy, no problem. Let's have policy fights. For God's sake, let's go back to policy fights, right? But when you're talking about it's all their fault and it's all their fault, it's not at all helpful. But the right-wing reaction has been particularly vicious following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Take a look. We're in a war. The left has been saying put a bull's eye on Trump, a bull's eye on his supporters.

Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war. We're in this country. We are. They are at war with us. Whether we want to accept it or not, they are at war with us. And what are we going to do about it? So prominent right-wing figures

are hyping up a so-called war with the left in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's shooting and his killing, even though we still don't know who the actual assassinations. actual assassin was. We don't know what his motives were. As of, you know, this recording, right, things can develop from now moving forward. But here's a few examples of what people are saying online, starting with Elon Musk, who tweeted or posted. If they won't leave us in peace,

then our choice is fight or die. Matt Walsh took it further, saying, I know some of you want to do the kumbaya thing. You want to say that. the celebration of Charlie's death is only happening on the fringes. Let me just pause there. It is happening on the fringes. Every single prominent left winger, and I mean prominent left winger with a significant following, has, you know, has not called for continued violence against the right. They have not said that we are at war with the right. I've seen democratic figures talk about the tragedy of that killing. I mean, it's just, yes, there are morons. online. If you're terminally online, you're going to come across small accounts saying some pretty

disgusting things. But let me continue with what Matt Walsh had to say. I'm sorry, but that's just not true. They jeered and heckled him in Congress yesterday. The left wants us dead. That is the mainstream view. It just is. It's the truth. They couldn't be any clear about it. Stop lying to yourself. Face the facts and act accordingly. So what Matt Walsh is referring to is, you know, is, You know, there was a moment of silence on the House floor yesterday after Charlie Kirk was killed. You know, the Democrats engaged in that moment of silence. And then debates started about whether they should do prayer, whether they should go further, whatever it is. But to say that they were jeering Charlie Kirk and heckling him in Congress yesterday is ridiculous,

Christopher Rufo says the last time the radical left orchestrated a wave of violence and terror, J. Edgar Hoover shut it all down within a few years. his time within the confines of the law to infiltrate, disrupt, arrest, and incarcerate all of those who are responsible for this chaos. Laura Lumer, you know, weighs in and says between the video of Irina, referring to a Ukrainian refugee who was stabbed to death on a train, and the video of Charlie, two things that are not at all connected, both bleeding to death out of their necks. This has been a very radicalizing week. A message to the left, debate time is over, you ended it. So Laura, what are you purporting that you're going to do? Like, just be clear about

it. Like, don't dance around it. What are you saying that you're going to do? Okay, because I keep seeing these messages where they're implying that they're going to engage in acts of violence. So tell us, what is your act of violence? What are you going to do in response to this? To the left, when we don't have anyone apprehended, when we don't know what the motive is. What are you going to do? Tell us. Yeah. So. One more. One more. One more. Sorry, Jenk. Representative, Higgins. This is a sitting member of Congress. I'm going to use congressional authority and every influence with big, with big tech mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk. If they ran their mouth with

their smart-ass hatred celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man who declared his whole life, dedicated his whole life to delivering respectful, conservative truth into the parts of liberal enclave universities, armed only with a Bible and a microphone and a constitution, those profiles must come down. But yeah, anyway, look, Clay Higgins really had no problem saying some pretty disgusting things following the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. Let's go to Graphic 7 here. He publicly mocked the attack on Paul Pelosi, saying that moment you realize the nudist hippie male prostitute LSD guy was the reason your husband didn't make it to your fundraiser. Anyway, look, I just, the pearl clutching from the right is really bothering me

considering the record, the very real existing record of their calls for violence or their mocking of left-wing figures being harmed in any way. It's just, this whole thing is ridiculous. rather than taking the temperature down, rather than trying to find a way to ensure that there is an additional violence, you have a sitting member of Congress, you know, talking about the need to permanently censor people on the left

for their political speech, even if I find it detestable, disgusting, insidious, whatever it is. But, Shank, what do you think about that? Yeah. So, no, this is terrible. So when you say to people fight or die, you're telling them to fight that their life is on the line. When you keep telling them we're at war, we're at war, and not in the context of, hey, we're trying to pass this budget bill and we're at political war over it.

Or you just say at war, but we get it. You're fighting over the budget, right? No, this is in the context of someone who was just shot and killed. So they're saying we're at war and aren't you going to do anything about it? And Matt Walsh says act accordingly. The left wants us dead. Okay, so if you thought someone wanted you dead and they're outside your house, how would you act accordingly? You'd protect yourself and maybe shoot the person you thought was out to harm you or your family, right?

So this is, at a bare minimum, all this is deeply irresponsible, at a bare minimum. We don't have leaders, Jank. That's my problem. We don't have leaders in this country anymore. Okay, whether you're talking about the left or the right, it doesn't matter. We don't have leaders. And it's really angering me right now because things are already bad. Things are already divided.

What happened to Charlie Kirk, whatever anyone on the left might think about it, was an absolute tragedy and flies in the face of what this country is supposed to represent in a democratic system. Okay? And then you have like members of Congress saying all sorts of irresponsible stupid things. The president of the United States is pinning it on the radical left and talking about the need to go after them. It's this whole response so far from the investigation into who the suspect is to the way political figures are talking about it, to the way media figures are talking about it. It just really disgusts me and it shows a lack of empathy, a lack of real care about where the future. of this country is headed, and I'm worried. I'm worried and I'm scared for everyone, okay?

Anyone who, you know, has the, honestly at this point, courage to publicly share what their political views are. Yeah, so another one of our members wrote in about the Patriot Act, and after 9-11, and here we are in 9-11, they took away our rights and they said, oh, we, in order to keep you safe, right? By the way, they've been taking our rights away, one by one for a long time now. Like for example, we all got used to warrantless wiretapping. So it was revealed that Bush was doing it. Edward Snowden's in hiding for being an American hero and telling us about that. And then they never really changed it. So those rights are gone. And then okay, so they do all this stuff and they do all this snooping. And then did they catch

the guy who was going to kill Charlie Kirk? No. They didn't catch him at all. So all of those taking away our rights, it didn't help. Does it look like it's helping with a mass of violence in the country? No, there's one mass shooter after another. There's the lawmakers who in Minnesota who were just shot. Charlie Kirk just got shot and killed and it goes on and on and on. And all that so-called security, there isn't any other security. But our rights are gone too. So now when Clay Higgins comes in and goes, oh, that's it.

Any account I don't like, I'm gonna shut it down, I'm gonna cancel it, I might arrest you. Arrest people for their opinions. Okay, and then you're gonna put those words in a dead man's mouth and say that and say that Charlie would have wanted that kind of cancel culture and that attack on freedom of speech. Look, after people die, they don't magically become angels. So I disagreed with a ton of things that Charlie said. So is it possible that he would have been a hypocrite and said, yeah, okay, let's do cancel culture and take away freedom of speech? It's possible. But he didn't say that because you're putting words in his mouth, he's not alive, right?

It's also entirely possible that he would have said, no, don't start shutting down all social media accounts you disagree with or said something obnoxious. If you'd done that for the right wing, you'd have shut down 90% of their accounts. So what are we doing here? Are you serious? So like, I'll give you the last example here. So I saw a couple of tweets yesterday that were, again, no, I didn't see any prominent figures on the left or Democrats saying, awful and I was looking it doesn't mean that I you know it was perfect and maybe you found one or two but mainly it was smaller accounts or just randos right but whenever I ran into one of them it made me physically ill like they're

joking around about his neck wound I'm like oh Jesus Christ what's wrong with you people what they're the worst yeah it's just people are the worst thing right yeah and and you want to put yourself out like you're on the left you're not on the left a few believe in things like that. You're for violence, you think it's funny? I don't think it's funny at all, I think it's disastrous. And so, yes, now does that mean I want to arrest that person or take it with their speech rights?

No, I just look at them and go, oh, okay, make sure you never work with that person who's deeply immoral and we move on. I don't have to arrest them, I don't have to denaturalize them or whatever lunatic ideas that they're cooking up to take away our rights now. I mean, if you use the death of someone on the right who said, I mean, everybody knows Charlie Kirk claimed to be as against cancel culture as anyone in the country, whether you believed him or not, that is what he said, and he claimed that he was the most in favor of freedom of speech on college campuses and elsewhere.

If you use his death to take away freedom of speech and institute cancel culture in this country, it'll be probably the most ironic thing that's ever happened. We got to take a break, but when we come back, I actually want to give one person in particular some credit on the right for wanting to take the temperature down, and then half credit to Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, who kind of gave us a muddled response, but he does deserve credit for one thing he admitted today. So stick around for that and more. We'll be right back.

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R Stone, and all the new members. We appreciate it. Anna. Well, look, we had just talked about all of the various right wing figures who are not at all interested in lowering the temperature when it comes to political violence. But I really want to draw attention and give credit to other individuals who are saying some good things, responsible things. So let's get into it. While many members of the right have really taken the opportunity to inspire others to engage in more violent rhetoric following the assassination of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, there are some who are attempting to lower the temperature, attempting to encourage Americans to avoid engaging in violence and to find common ground and essentially fight the other political side through political means. One of those individuals is conservative commentator Eric Erickson who wrote on X today saying that he's seeing people on the right, many of them professing Christians, pronounce you don't hate them enough, meaning the left. It seems to me that's what got us to this point. Many of them do hate us. Some of my right wing friends on here are not Christians and have for a long time insisted we need to embrace the methods. of the left. Some of my Christian friends have agreed. But Christianity conquered the world by being

the opposite of worldly hate, and I don't think now is a good time to give that up. Being a light in an increasingly dark world and drawing others to us will be more effective than reciprocating. Just last week, Charlie Kirk gave an interview and said, quote, you have to try to point them towards ultimate purposes and towards getting back to the church, getting back to faith, getting married, having children. I'm trying to paint a picture of virtue of lifting people up, not just staying angry. And then he ends with the world says to seek retribution. Faith says to let Christ take care of retribution. You love God and your neighbor. The problem we face is bigger than you. It is not bigger than God. So be wary of those who call you away from our better

angels. It is what this evil wants. I love that message. And I don't know how many people who are furious on the right today will really listen to it or read it. But this is the kind of message I wish our president was spreading right now, rather than further inflaming people. or using inflammatory rhetoric, which is only, you know, leading to higher tensions in a already divided country. Yeah, no, I really appreciate Eric Erickson saying that. We, again, as with anyone on the right, we've had massive disagreements with him before. And, and by the way, there's nothing wrong with that. And if you use strongly word language in the midst of those heated disagreements, and God knows, I've done it, nothing wrong with that. But when you have someone who is,

just shot in a grotesque, horrific act of violence, that is not the time to use loaded language about war and you've got to do something before the other side does and the other side is attacking us and you've got to act and et cetera. That is a disastrous time for that kind of language that Jesse Waters and so many others have used. Steve Bannon, Matt Walsh, it goes on. So to see Eric Erickson here, you know, reminding people about Jesus and the message of love and nonviolence as we did yesterday on the show reminding you about Martin Luther King's quote about how hate never can't drive out hate only love can so I'm glad to see that some on the right have cooler heads and actually

care about the country that's that's what I care most about like because if you just care about your side or you care about winning, whatever winning means to you, then you're not going to mind egging people on and driving more division. But not only that, but Jake, I mean, like, what are you going to accomplish through violence, really? Like, think about that. I mean, if right wingers use this as an opportunity to carry out acts of violence, do they think they're going to win anything? I don't think they're going to win a damn thing. Any violence that's been carried out has not led to political successes in this country. So Eric Erickson, you know, I think by putting out a message like this shows that he actually cares about his political

side. And by the way, that also applies to the left. I mean, what are you going to accomplish with violence? So we don't know that this person was on the left because now it's super strange that he hasn't been caught, right? But so if they caught him right away and he was Orando, the new almost certainly would have been on the left, you would imagine, right? But since they haven't caught him, it's a weird situation. But it doesn't matter because other people on the left have done violence. And so it is deeply counterproductive, especially if you're on the left, but really on any side. What are you going to do?

It's going to lead to more clampdowns from the government, right? It's going to lead to people taking away your rights more. People on the right claim that they care a lot about those constitutional rights. I hope that they actually do. People on the left certainly care about those constitutional rights. So violence is going to only lead to you losing your rights and the government getting bigger and stronger. And especially if you're on the right and you're worried about the tyranny of government, to now say, oh yeah, maybe there should be more violence or more government crackdowns or more like Clay Higgins,

the Republican Congressman is saying maybe we should start shutting down the social media accounts of people on the left, maybe arresting it. That is that that is un-American. And so if you care about the country, you have a reaction like Eric did, which is, no, no, we got to be united. We got to stay together. We got to be a country. We have to be America. Otherwise, this thing's going to devolve totally out of hand. And people who hate this country are going to be ecstatic if we start murdering each other

back and forth. That's exactly right. Yeah. And by the way, you know, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen has had a bit of a muddled message following the killing of Charlie Kirk. But he did have a moment today, an admission. if you will, that I thought was interesting and I appreciated it. Let's take a look.

It's all of our faults, right? I mean, we stir up the base. If you stir up the base, what do you expect is going to happen? If you stir a fire, coals are going to come out of it. If you pour gasoline on a fire, it's going to explode. And sometimes we gaslight the base. And it's been happening a lot. And I'm not, I am pointing fingers here because this has

happened to Republicans a lot lately, but it seems like the Democrats are gaslighting this a lot more. And it goes from calling the president a dictator from saying that, you know, that we are Nazis, that it's been an attack on Christian values. You see it across campuses that you either agree with us or you're the enemy. So I did appreciate that message because he's at least self-aware enough to admit that this is a problem on the right as well. I haven't really seen many right-wing figures or politicians willing to do that type of self-assessment. And I think the self-assessment is important to do on both sides of the political aisle. Let me be clear about

that. The one thing that I do take issue with, though, is as a political analyst or pundit, you are well within your rights to be strongly critical of a public figures, you know, political acts, political views. The difference is, is your rhetoric inciting violence? Are you targeting people and through your rhetoric, through your vitrile inciting violence? So it's just something to keep in mind as we move forward. Yeah, you know, this is a silly thing to be proud of but so I've told you guys before I like rock that's the fact checking algorithm on on X and somebody asked there oh yeah well have haven't jank Yuger and the young Turks also used the violent rhetoric and

Brock was like no they are constantly preaching non-violence on their show no matter which side and I was like yes because that's true I love that there's an AI out there that scours 60,000 or 100,000 videos with Whatever we have online, it goes, nope, it checks for 20 straight years. We've been preaching nonviolence. Violence is never the answer. Yeah, all right, well, we gotta take a break. When we come back, I wanna kind of switch gears a little bit because there's a lot of other news to get to,

including some updates on the stabbing death of a Ukrainian refugee. That story's been getting a lot of attention. We'll tell you why and more when we return. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I don't know. I'm going to be. I'm going to be able to be.

I'm going to do. Thank you.