The Young Turks - Leave No Survivors - December 1, 2025

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to the Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Republicans senators are being to wonder if that's true. That maybe he is. And then the FBI director, Cash Patel, in some trouble because he insisted on wearing a woman's FBI jacket with Velcro straps that he apparently didn't earn. There's more to that story, but it's a weird puzzling story.
Starting point is 00:00:51 But Cash Patel's a weird puzzling figure. And then are we on the brink of war with Venezuela? Today there was a White House meeting where Donald Trump gathered up all the idiots and loons that work for him to discuss whether they should go to war illegally. So lots to get to, and that's just the first hour, wait until you get to the second hour. All right, Jordan, what are we starting with, brother? Well, let's start with Venezuela, Jack. The Washington Post issued a devastating report that essentially paints Pete Heggseth's attack on a so-called Venezuelan drug. boat as a war crime. And after initial denials, it looks like Caroline Levitt is basically confirming
Starting point is 00:01:34 that, yeah, it happened. Now here's the headline, which claims that Hegseth told SEAL Team 6 to kill them all. As two men clung to a stricken burning ship targeted by SEAL Team 6, the Joint Special Operations Commander followed the Defense Secretary's order to leave no survivors. and the Intercept and CNN issued similar reports. In all, the boat was allegedly attacked four times, twice to kill the crew, and two more times to sink the boat. And I'll show you what the Trump administration said and what they are saying. But first, Jenk, what are your two cents here?
Starting point is 00:02:16 Yeah, the two cents are, one, who gave the order? We're going to give you some details, and we're going to tell you who the administration is throwing under the bus. And is that person guilty of a war crime and of homicide? The second question is nearly unarguable. It's definitely murder and they should be going to prison if there's any justice. I guess not least is the third question. Will there ever be justice in America for someone powerful, ever, ever?
Starting point is 00:02:44 And this is a good case of that and we'll find out if something as brazenly illegal as this is allowed to stand. Yes. Now, if it's true, the attack on the survivors would amount to a war crime, according to pretty much every expert that isn't in Trump's pocket. What is Pete Hegeseth saying? Well, on his official Secretary of War account, he wrote a very lengthy statement, which has all of the standard denials. As usual, the fake news is delivering more fabricated, inflammatory, and derogatory reporting to discredit. are incredible warriors fighting to protect the homeland. And I'll spare you the rest, which mentions Biden drug cartels and even people from Afghanistan. Meanwhile, on his personal account, he posted this, for your Christmas wish list featuring Franklin, the turtle. Now, I think that's very disparaging to Franklin. He's a peaceful turtle. And when asked about it, Trump said this.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Take a look. I talked a little bit about the strikes and the controversy around Secretary, the defense, Pete Hank said. I don't know anything about it. He said, he said he did not say that, and I believe 100%. You don't know if there were the two men? The second strike to kill the two men. No, I, he said he didn't do it. He said he never said. Would you be okay with that if he did? He said he didn't do it, so I don't have to make that decision. Trump says he wouldn't have wanted a second strike. Meanwhile, Republican Mark Wayne, Mullen had this response for Dana Bash.
Starting point is 00:04:27 If they do find that the defense secretary gave an order to eliminate people who are already injured on a boat, which a lot of legal experts say is illegal, Mark Kelly was just here and he said it's potentially a war crime, should Pete Hexsath face consequences? Listen, you're once again making assumptions that's not even kind of accurate, I don't believe. doing is talking about an assumption. This isn't been proven. It hasn't been said it was actually true. And far as Mark Kelly, what he says, Mark Kelly is saying the most ridiculous things I've ever heard right now. He's encouraging men and women uniform to question the orders of superior officers. He just got in saying that the president was racist because he doesn't like brown people.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Yet I sat in front of you as a Cherokee Indian, and I'm very close friends with the president. Okay. Until this afternoon. The Pentagon spokesperson was the only person who could manage to put a sentence together responding to these bombshell reports, saying the entire narrative is completely false. Ongoing operations to dismantle narco-terrorism and protect the homeland from deadly drugs have been a resounding success. Parnell also said these people just fabricate anonymously sourced stories out of whole cloth. But then, today, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt confirmed that Pete Hegseth authorized Admiral Frank Bradley to carry out the strikes. Take a look. President Trump and Secretary Hegseth have made it clear that presidentially designated
Starting point is 00:06:08 narco-terrorist groups are subject to lethal targeting in accordance with the laws of war. With respect to the strikes in question on September 2nd, Secretary Hegseth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes. Admiral Bradley worked well within his authority and the law directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated. So she's saying that Hegeseth generally authorized the strikes but did not specifically authorize the double tap. However, they're totally okay with the second strike and the Admiral was acting in his authority.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Now, 80 have been killed so far. 15,000 troops and over a dozen warships have been deployed over the last few months. Trump issued a statement that the U.S. will be shutting down airspace in Venezuela. Is this a war crime? Will there be consequences? These questions remain, Jank. What do you think? Yeah, first, a quick comment on what Wengro said.
Starting point is 00:07:18 And then I'm going to get back to other Republicans who actually think there should be accountability, which is borderline shocking. That's that that actually is the most shocking part of the story. But first on Senator Waingrove, he says, oh, you know, Mark Kelly doing these outrageous things like saying don't follow an illegal order. You mean like one saying that you should do a double tap and murder injured people and that you're after the first strike? That's an illegal order. It turns out Mark Kelly was, if anything, prescient in doing that video. I thought that video had issues, but my God, does it apply here? Right?
Starting point is 00:07:58 And so this is the very last place you should be bringing up that video, you moron, Senator Waingrove. Oh, duh. I mean, he said we shouldn't follow illegal orders. And then Hegsuth gave an illegal order to murder people. You see how wrong Mark Kelly was? No, if anything, you're proving his point beyond a shadow of a doubt. And the fact that there are US senators as pathetically unintelligent and immoral as Wayne Mullen is a great, you know, slight on our country and it bothers me.
Starting point is 00:08:29 So okay, now we're gonna come back to how often these double taps happen, all the different people who should be put away for them in a minute. But let's break down what happened here. So now they have confirmed, as Jordan just told you with the press secretary, confirming there was two strikes. Well, there's four strikes, but the second strike was to kill all the injury and all the survivors. So now there is no more dispute about that.
Starting point is 00:08:58 A second strike against survivors is definitely illegal under international law and under US law. There's a word for it, put aside war crimes, because it triggers people. So for a lot of people that are in different parts of the political spectrum, but mainly the right wing, if you say war crimes, they go, hell yeah, all right, we're finally back to being strong, let's kill people for no reason. No, war crimes is not a good thing. And but I put it on the right, to be fair, a lot of the right is now swung around and is complaining about the war crimes that Israel's doing.
Starting point is 00:09:31 The number one people in favor of war crimes historically in this country are neocons and Israel first people. We're gonna come back to that, okay, but right now all of a sudden, everyone's acting like, oh my God, it's a double tap. That's definitely murder. Yes, it is. That's what we've been saying all along. So all right. So we've established it's murder. Then they say, okay, it was Admiral Bradley who did it. Okay, so are we going to bring up Admiral Bradley on charges? Because if he really took it upon his own to say, oh, look, guys, there's survivors there. Well, let's all laws of war say take them as prisoners of war and then deal with them
Starting point is 00:10:06 afterwards in legally sanctioned ways. By the way, none of which are great. They don't get roses as prisoners of war, right? So they get, you know, there's plenty of harsh treatment, et cetera, but we follow a new process. It's the equivalent of shooting someone in the head after you capture them. Everyone knows that's illegal, everyone knows that's murder, and that Americans don't do that. So was it Admiral Bradley? Should he be court-martialed and prosecuted for homicide? I would be shocked if it was Admiral Bradley. It was almost certainly Pete Exit, But that's my opinion based on all the information I've ever seen about,
Starting point is 00:10:42 Hegsith, the military, their rules, etc. But maybe I'm wrong. That's why we should immediately have a trial to see who murdered those people. Now, okay, we're gonna of course get to the biggest question of all, which is, is there ever any accountability in our government for anything, for any law breaking, anything that anyone powerful does? So they say, oh, it's under the authority of Hegsith, and then Bradley does the double tap. Okay, but there is no such authority.
Starting point is 00:11:14 So whose fault is at Hegsith or Bradley? Normally, Jordan, we never get to that question because everyone in Washington is like murder as long as we do it, war crimes as long as we or our allies do it, it's perfectly fine. Okay, now wait a minute, is that hyperbole? No, I have dozens of examples. I'll give you two pretty spectacular ones that everybody knows. The Apache helicopter video that Chelsea Manning revealed. So in Iraq, what happened was we got, there's video of it, one of our helicopters
Starting point is 00:11:43 shoots at reporters, kills them. Now they say, well, look, it was an honest mistake without their cameras were RPGs or whatever. Okay, so I don't think that they thought that they were RPGs. I've seen the video, it seems like they wanted to murder those journalists, but that's not the conversation around that. I'm not even talking about that. Then first responders show up in an ambulance and our guys murder them. I mean, that's clearly illegal, no question, murder, homicide, war crime.
Starting point is 00:12:13 The only person that was punished was Chelsea Manning for revealing that crime. None of the people who committed that murder got punished. Now over to Israel where they do this almost every day, there's of course the famous case of Hindra Job that you'll know about, although again we've reported on dozens of these. Israel does this all the time. So Henry Job is a six year old, her entire car is shot up, everyone else in our family is dead. They never did anything wrong. Again, we're not talking about that.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Israel murders innocent civilians all the time. We're talking about double taps. They tell Israel, hey, there's a six year old in the car, she's alive, we're gonna send an ambulance. Israel says, okay, then when the ambulance arrives, they murder everyone in the ambulance and they murder the six year old. That's clearly illegal, it's a war crime, we should have ended our funding of Israel that moment. But there's never any consequences. And so all of our entire government bowed down to Israel, say, murder anyone you like,
Starting point is 00:13:06 commit any war crimes like here's, here's another $31 billion, commit more war crimes. So Jordan, after I say all that, and all that is abundantly clear and actually inarguable, we're left with the question of why in the world are Republican senators saying that there should be an investigation and we should find out if there was a crime committed here. That's the part that I'm absolutely puzzled by. Yeah, I mean, it seems like this invocation of Admiral Bradley today by Caroline Leavitt looks like if there would be any repercussions, it's going to fall on him. I think that they've just chosen, like, this is our fall guy. Hegseth, you know, delegated his authority to this guy,
Starting point is 00:13:52 and this guy did it. Well, he didn't do it, but if he did do it, he was, it was legal to do so. this kind of like tap dance routine they're doing in front of the press now that it's impossible to deny it's it's horrific I mean we're talking about multiple boats multiple strikes and multiple boats with 80 killed and zero proof that there were ever drugs on these boats and they're trying to claim this is self-defense we'll get into that in the next block and how this might lead to an actual illegal war, but it's just like I'm, I don't think we'll see any consequences. Jen, I think talking about the Chelsea Manning situation is a perfect example. She's the only person that faced any consequences for that situation, for that attack, for
Starting point is 00:14:38 that murder. It's a, it's a, it's a case of mixed priorities or missed priorities here. Every, every single time, it's, we're going after the leakers, every department, something bad about our government is shown, they're going after the leakers. They're not going after the people who did it. Time and time again, it's the same story. Yeah, so I just want you guys to know, Senator Roger Wicker from Mississippi, who is a Republican, is criticizing what happened and saying it needs to be investigated.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Senator Mike, I'm sorry, Representative Mike Rogers from Alabama, Representative Mike Turner from Ohio, these are all Republican congressmen and senators saying we should look further into this. Even Trump's saying that he wouldn't have authorized the second strike. That's unusual. I never see accountability in Washington. And from the same party? No, this, it's weird.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Like, like if you're new to America of the last 20, 30 years, you have to be thinking, what do you mean it's weird? If somebody commits a crime, doesn't, aren't they held accountable in America? The answers are resounding. Hell, no, they're not. if they're among the powerful, they never, ever get held accountable. So the fact that his own parties, some are asking for accountability is what makes this story so strange because war crimes, unfortunately are committed by our government and our allies
Starting point is 00:15:56 all the time and usually celebrated, right? So this one is not being celebrated. So maybe it just goes away in a couple of days and everybody just falls back in line, goes, oh yeah, murder's great, double taps are great, we should murder all prisoners There's a war, either drop a bomb on them or shoot them in the head. Yay, that would be normal. If it doesn't go back to that, we'll follow the story and see what happens here. Could it be that someone will be held accountable for the first time in our lives?
Starting point is 00:16:26 Less likely, less likely, especially for a war crime, especially for murdering someone. I was gonna say on a battlefield, but they're largely fishermen and they're on random boats in the water. So that's who Hegson is murdering. By the way, Hegsia thinks that he's a tough guy and this is all like a Fox News report or something, like, ha-ha, that I told them, why about everybody on the boat? I'm in a movie, right? I'm the hero. No, first of all, if you're in a movie, you're the villain, you're not the hero.
Starting point is 00:16:53 And second of all, this isn't a movie, brother. Those are real people, they have kids and you killed them. That should be super serious. And no, you have absolutely no evidence that they were narco-terrorist. None, they've never presented any, and by the way, you should know, why are they doing the double tap? Because the last time they struck a boat and there were survivors and we brought them in, it turned out that they were completely innocent and we had to let them go. So that was embarrassing to the White House.
Starting point is 00:17:23 So they didn't want any evidence left over of their war crimes. So they said, don't embarrass this again. Make sure everyone on the boat, guilty or innocent, is murdered. And that's what they just did. So if you're okay with that, okay, you're that type of person. But Americans should not be okay with it. And our politicians are, you know, if they hold them accountable, I will give them a mountain of credit, a mountain. It'll be the first time it's ever happened in my lifetime.
Starting point is 00:17:51 And I'll be shocked. I'll fall out of this chair. But I'm happy to see it. Cross your fingers. But there's no way in the world they're going to hold anyone accountable for this, even though it is an undisputable war crime. Well, let's get to our next story, which I think informs how they are responding to this and how they'll act in the coming days and weeks. The question remains, are we going to war with Venezuela?
Starting point is 00:18:36 Well, Trump's warhawks are all assembling as we speak to plan their next move. According to CNN, Trump is going to hold a meeting in the Oval Office. The guest list includes Secretary of Defense P. This episode is brought to you by prize picks. It's the holiday season, the best time of the year for everything, including sports. You got bowl games, basketball matchups, playoff pushes, it's all happening at once. And while you and I are out here making decisions every day, what gifts to buy, what to eat, which game to watch, there's one place where it feels good to be right. Prize picks.
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Starting point is 00:20:10 General Dan Kane, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio are expected to attend as well as White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller. Trump has already attacked very small boats while deploying very large boats. Here is a graphic representation of the U.S. military presence. 15,000 troops have been sent to the area along with a major aircraft carrier and over
Starting point is 00:20:39 a dozen ships in total. The Pentagon is calling it Operation Southern Spear. Trump also admitted to allowing the CIA to operate in Venezuela. The New York Times reported a few days ago that Trump had spoken directly with Venezuelan President Maduro. When asked about the call, here's Trump's response. has been leaked. According to the Miami Herald, Trump issued a, quote, blunt warning. The U.S. message to Maduro was direct. Safe passage would be guaranteed for him, his wife, and his son, only if he agrees to resign right away. Maduro reportedly refused Trump's request, and that's the last time the two spoke, though Maduro allegedly wanted to continue the conversation. After Trump's announcement on Saturday, that Venezuelan Airspace,
Starting point is 00:21:54 should be considered closed in its entirety. The Maduro government attempted to place another call to Washington but received no response. Trump has also warned that he would be stopping trafficking by land as well as by sea very soon. And again, another reminder with all of these conversations, Venezuela is not a major player in the global drug trade. Their neighbor, Colombia is, but not Venezuela. Jank, the question is for you, are we going to war? So, yeah, the question is, is Trump bluffing or not? So if he's bluffing and he pulls up all these warships and he does the angry call and says
Starting point is 00:22:35 you've got only a little short time to live, you better turn yourself in and we'll give you safe passage for your wife and your kids, et cetera. And if it works and he leaves and then Exxon Mobil CEO becomes the new president of Venezuela, I guess all is well. A coup well done. I'm not in that camp. I don't want that. I think it's ridiculous that we meddle in other people's affairs and not for the benefit of America, but for the benefit of corporate donors who would like that oil, et cetera. But that's where the damage is limited. What if Maduro calls his bluff? And by the way, he's in the middle of calling his bluff because he said, according to reports, and again, we don't know if this is
Starting point is 00:23:17 Exactly right or not, but apparently what Maduro asked for was no, safe passage for many others that are connected to the administration, like the blanket amnesty for anyone that was involved in his government, and maybe even not political control, but control over the Venezuelan troops. Because that's second part's a joke. If you're in charge of the Venezuelan troops, you're in charge of Venezuela, right? So that's never going to be given. But the blanket amnesty, I don't know about, but he doesn't seem like he's saying, oh, okay, daddy. Trump, I'm so scared, here I'll run away, right? So if he doesn't run away and Trump's bluff gets called, if it was a bluff, then what does he do? Well, right now, there's a lot of senators asking, including Republican senators, hey, what are we doing? We never declared war on Venezuela. And hey, wait a minute, why are we going to war with Rando Venezuela? Because of drugs. Okay, I mean, I don't want this to happen under any circumstance. But Mexico and Columbia are 10, 2,200 times the issue with drugs. China with, you know, producing some of the parts for fentanyl is an issue.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Afghanistan is a huge issue. Are we going back into Afghanistan? All those countries are a much bigger problem in the drug trade than Venezuela is. On the other hand, Venezuela has the largest oil reserve in the world. I'm sure a coenky dink. By the way, barely mentioned in mainstream media. Like, oh yeah, oh, by the way, paragraph 15, largest oil reserve in the world. And according to reports here comes more of a mystery, Maduro has already said, oh, you can take our oil, just don't kill me, right? All right, that's already horrific. Like this is the kind of diplomacy we're doing on behalf of corporations, not us.
Starting point is 00:25:01 But again, the damage would be a little bit limited there, but we apparently didn't take his offer. So at the end of the day, everybody's scratching their heads, Jordan, going, what the hell's going on here? Is he really going to invade Venezuela? That sounds mental. But he's definitely threatening to. So what do you think? Do you think he's going to do it or no?
Starting point is 00:25:22 Yeah, I absolutely think he's going to do it because it's not about stopping drugs. It's not about protecting the homeland. It's about oil. And I think you can see, I mean, they're openly admitting it. Today we had yet another example. This might be something worth covering tomorrow night happened shortly before the show. But Representative Maria Salazar of Florida was on CNN today openly celebrating a potential $1 trillion windfall for U.S. oil companies if Maduro is ousted.
Starting point is 00:25:54 I mean, they're not even trying to pretend like it's about some abstract concept or notion of freedom or liberty like they did in the Middle East in the 2000s. The war on terror, of course, it was a front for oil companies and other resources. Here, they've wanted Venezuela's oil for years, Jank, and now they're openly saying it on air as the president holds cabinet meetings or meetings in the Oval Office about declaring war with Venezuela. I just, I don't see any circumstance where we don't illegally go to war with Venezuela and conduct a regime change operation to Aus Maduro. All these big oil has wanted this for years and Trump is finally going to give it to him. Yeah, well, there's two things about that. One is like if they do it, it'll be an epic disaster.
Starting point is 00:26:47 I mean, guerrilla warfare in the streets of Caracas, what if we lost our minds? Why the gods green earth? What do we do that? Okay, number two is, wait, we're going to send an American troops. We always assume no one's ever going to get killed, right? We're mighty America, our technology is invincible and we'll just drone them to death, et cetera. But they told us Iraq would be easy and we would be greeted as liberators and thousands of American boys died there. So the minute one American troop dies in Venezuela, that is a person, an American citizen who died on behalf of ExxonMobil.
Starting point is 00:27:26 And that's insane. And the American people should not tolerate that. broadcasting. We are not doing this for Americans. We don't give a goddamn about you guys. We're doing it for the oil companies and the trillion dollars they're going to make. And by the way, some very small percentage, they're going to kick back in legalized bribes to all those people in Congress and to the president, et cetera. One of the biggest donors for Trump in this election cycle was the oil companies. But the second thing, so if it was just that, Jordan, easy peasy. I get it. And we I've been through this movie before. We've been on air
Starting point is 00:28:03 so long. We cover the Iraq war before it began. We were one of the only two shows nationally that said, don't go in. It's a trap. And Admiral Akbar wouldn't listen. So now here we are again. So that's the easy part. The hard part is, but Grinnell, like Richard Grinnell, top Trump guy who went to negotiate with Maduro, came back and said Maduro will give us the oil. So there's, Apparently a second thing. I don't know what the second motivation is. And I see some people now in Washington is scratching their heads going, wait, we all got our bribes.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Maduro said he's gonna give us the oil, not us of course, but our beloved corporate donors. So where's the question? And I think there's a second question here. It might be just Marco Rubio, and it might be people discovering, is this because Marco Rubio wants to topple Venezuela so it can topple Cuba so we can go brag to his parents? Oh, mommy and daddy, I got the big bad communists.
Starting point is 00:29:00 We're going to get our casinos back. Is that what this is about? I don't get it. Or maybe the original story about how Grinnell got them to give the oil rights or get that concession was not correct. But one of those two things. Yeah, I think the most likely scenario is that that's not true. The Grinnell claim is not true. And they also don't want to have to worry about increased tensions.
Starting point is 00:29:27 later down the line and maybe Maduro changing his mind. Just for them, they've wanted him out. They wanted Chavez out. They didn't get that. They've tried to prop up people in elections before. It was unsuccessful. I think they just want to get rid of this, like the extension of this Bolivarian revolution in Venezuela,
Starting point is 00:29:49 oust Maduro, put in their own figure who will be more amenable to U.S. interests and ultimately U.S. oil companies, but I know we definitely definitely have to take a break. Yeah, hold on. I got one last prediction here. If we actually go to war with Venezuela, not if Maduro steps aside or we get some sort of concession, right? But we actually start launching bombs and we put guys on the ground in Venezuela, then that's the easiest prediction I'll ever make. It'll end Trump. It'll be in such a political disaster that he won't be able to recover from it. Because that's the most outrageous mental war that I've ever seen completely and utterly unnecessary,
Starting point is 00:30:33 done 100% because of corruption to help his donors. And once American soldiers start dying, people will be absolutely livid and including his own base. They'll be more furious than he has any idea. Like, it's not just about Trump. Washington won't know what hit him if they actually start this war with Venezuela. Because everyone knows it's totally based on lies and very thin lies about drugs. And fentanyl, there's no fentanyl coming from Venezuela. There's barely any cocaine coming from Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Cocaine is Colombia, fentanyl is Mexico, China. This is all garbage, and everybody knows it. And if you murder more American troops, On behalf of your corporate donors, there's going to be political hell to pay. And I guarantee it. All right. Now let's take a break. on 24 confidential sources within the FBI, describes FBI director Cash Patel as, quote,
Starting point is 00:31:54 in over his head, and the FBI as paralyzed by fear and with low morale. We have more, including a very embarrassing anecdote about Patel's behavior the day after Charlie Kirk died. But, Jake, first, you're two cents here. Yeah, I think that this story is important because of the lesson that it tells. Because when you start political witch hunts, what are the consequences that flow from that? Well, we're going to find that out in this story. And you're going to find out that it could be a massive problem for the American people because it grinds law enforcement to a halt.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Let's find out why. Now, the leak of an assessment report, which was prepared for the House and Senate Judiciary Committees, gives us a clearer picture of the mess that Patel has created within the FBI. Again, this pulls from the personal accounts of 24 people within the Bureau, and they accused Patel of lacking the experience to lead the FBI, and that managers will not take initiative without explicit direction for fear of being fired. Patel's first six months have produced a troubling picture of an organization described by insiders as a rudderless ship with two sources independently characterizing the director as being in over his head. One stated, Patel lacks
Starting point is 00:33:20 the requisite knowledge or deep understanding of all the FBI's unique and complex investigative and intelligence programs. Now concern began to grow within the Bureau after his nomination due to his comments about the deep state's attacks on Trump during his first term and over January 6th. Both Patel and his deputy director Dan Bongino are very active on social media, which also creates a headache for staff. FBI employees reported hearing more about the Bureau's mission from leadership's social media posts than through official internal channels. Now Patel is also described as being paranoid and distrustful. In one incident, Patel became upset after learning that FBI personnel, Quantico had discussed his request to be issued an FBI firearm. When details leaked, he ordered
Starting point is 00:34:19 polygraph examinations to everyone involved to identify who had criticized him. One respected FBI leader in the assessment called the order needlessly punitive. But perhaps the funniest portion about Patel's behavior was the day after Charlie Kirk died. On 11 September, the day after conservative activist Charlie Kirk's assassination, Patel arrived in Provo, Utah, but refused to leave the FBI jet without an appropriate raid jacket. A described highly respected source in the report explained that agents working the Kirk investigation had to stop their work to find a medium-sized jacket for Patel. When a female agent's jacket was delivered, Patel complained about missing Velcro patches on the sleeves and refused to disembark until SWAT team members
Starting point is 00:35:16 removed patches from their own uniforms and attached them to the borrowed jacket. The same source confirmed media reports that Patel yelled at the special agent in charge and directed an expletive laden tirade over perceived blunders in the case. Now that part is confusing. If you remember the reports about Patel's behavior in those hours and days after Charlie Kirk's death. He was widely criticized for posting unverified updates to his Twitter account while having a nice dinner rouse on the Upper East Side in New York the day and the evening that Charlie Kirk died. Cenk, what do you think? I think there's a confusing story and I'll tell you why. So look, if we're just doing a story about how
Starting point is 00:36:08 Cash Patel's a clown, okay, that's easy enough and that's evident enough, right? And at this point, a lot of the right we think he's a clown, most of the voters think that, right? And by the way, one of the agents, a lot of the agents also talk smack about Dan Bongino, who's deputy there, and one of them called him something of a clown. That's a direct quote, okay? So they have no respect for Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Okay, so then where's the confusion? Well, so number one, A lot of the people who are cited in this report are actually right wingers. So remember, these are former and current FBI officials, okay?
Starting point is 00:36:46 And so they say, well, they liked how he went after DEI and how they helped to close the border and sent in tougher prosecutors by their estimation. And some of them even said in the report, complained that Cash Patel has not gone after political enemies enough. They're like, you know, we should have gone deeper and harder at the people who politicized the FBI during the Biden administration. I don't think anybody politicized it during the Biden administration. Those are Trump voters. And there's does is the FBI filled with Trump voters? Yes, right? Is that a bad thing?
Starting point is 00:37:24 No, it's normal. They vote for Trump. They vote for Clinton. They vote for Biden. That's their business, not our business, okay? So number one, it's important to know these are not like some disgruntled liberals. that are taking pot shots like Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. But number two, that's partly why I'm kind of surprised by it.
Starting point is 00:37:43 It might be a very, very simple explanation, which is, yeah, we want him to be right wing, but we don't want him to be a right wing clown, right? We don't want him to be worried about which Velcro patch he's going to put on his FBI jacket, et cetera, et cetera, and do the hard work of the FBI while being right wing. Sure, that's the most likely. Then I'm going to come back to that in a second. And then I saw this part of it in The Guardian and drew my attention. It was also a little bit perplexed by it.
Starting point is 00:38:14 They said, quote, the report also notes concerns from countries closely partnered with the United States. Sourcing the report indicated that law enforcement and intelligence agencies from allied countries fear the Trump administration, quote, may cause long-term damage to international cooperation. Huh, that's weird. So the Japanese or the Canadians or the Mexicans are complaining that Cash Patel is such a clown that they won't work with us anymore? And that doesn't seem likely, but maybe, okay, but to me, so okay, you've got the interesting part of the story where it's the interesting sources that are attacking Cash Patel and Don Bonjino in a way that I wouldn't expect.
Starting point is 00:39:00 And number two, and maybe that's just all it does is it gives it more credibility. And maybe that's a simple explanation there. The second part of it is the most important part, which is when you do political witch hunts, it freezes everyone in their tracks. Because now the most important part of the story is all the agents going, well, we don't know what to do. Because if we take any wrong step, he's gonna fire us. Oh, you pursued a case, it was about now fill in details, they didn't say this part. Oh, it was about white collar criminals and you were investigating fraud on Wall Street.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Oh, those guys donated Donald Trump. You're fired, right? I don't know, I'm, by the way, Trump just pardoned one of the worst drug traffickers in history. Just like a couple of days ago. So if you go after drug criminals, are you going to get in trouble and be fired at the FBI? I don't know, if you go after this guy and he's guilty, but he was a Republican or he was an ally? or he was an ally of Trump, or you did it, but you did it the wrong. I mean, they're firing everybody for so many insane, ludicrous reasons that all the agents
Starting point is 00:40:07 are just apparently not all of them, but a lot of them are sitting there going, I'm not going to do anything until I am specifically told by Cash Patel to do it, because if I go and do law enforcement, and it turns out it's against Trump's interest, I'm going to get fired. So I'm not going to do anything. That's a huge problem. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I think, reflective of, we've seen now over the past couple weeks, we've talked about different U.S. attorneys or different heads of agencies that are just embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:40:43 It's a national disgrace of their, they are in these positions, the way Pam Bondi has handled things like the Epstein files, the way that Nikki Haley has used her position for just like, you know, trips, the way Cash Patel uses his jet to fly to see. his girlfriend to provide SWAT team protection. All of these people are there because they love Trump and they support Trump and they are loyal to him. And now we're not even a full year into this and this is what it looks like. It's only going to get worse if they can withstand another negative news cycle. I mean, we saw last week there were rumors that they were thinking of ousting Patel. Caroline Levitt said this is fake news. They were actually meeting in the White House at the same time. Here's a picture of them smiling. But I don't know, it really looks like Patel could be out. This is just another embarrassing story for Patel and the FBI. And if the discontent is from
Starting point is 00:41:39 within the bureau, morale is that low. It's a rudderless ship. He's in over his head. Seems like just cause. And then Trump gets another loyalist to replace him in Dan Bongino. Yeah. And just to remind you of how unqualified all these guys are, cash petal has almost no experience. That's really, That's why he doesn't know what he's doing the investigations. He doesn't know what he should do first, what he should do as a follow-up. He doesn't know that you're supposed to verify before you start blabbing on social media about whether you got the guy or not. And so remember his main qualification was that he wrote a children's book about a plot against Donald Trump and how mean all those people against President Trump were. And all the children should know President Trump's the king.
Starting point is 00:42:24 It was a plot against the king. So that's the clown that they got to run the FBI. So the least surprising part of the story is everybody in the FBI building screaming to anyone who will listen, he's a clown! Well, you're bringing circus in the town. Not surprising that the clowns come in next. Well, here we got a guy on Thanksgiving, where we spent time with our families. We ate, we played Yotsie, we cheered for football or whatever.
Starting point is 00:43:13 This guy is apparently in a room ranting about everything else. This is not normal behavior. It is not healthy. And presidents throughout time have released a couple things. They've released their tax returns, not Donald Trump. And they've released their medical records, not Donald Trump. And look, the MRI is one thing. But I think what's most concerning about this is, as your viewers out there are listening,
Starting point is 00:43:36 has anyone in the history of the world ever have an MRI assigned to them and have no idea what it was for? Over the Thanksgiving weekend, President Donald Trump traded barbs with Minnesota Governor Tim Walls, leading to slurs being thrown and MRI results potentially coming out. Now, Jank, your two cents before we get into the details. Yeah, look, I'm less offended by words than other people are. So I get the R word was thrown around here and it's going to have political consequences. But what I'm more worried about is the unhinged post from Trump altogether. We're going to read you big sections of it because it's really crazy.
Starting point is 00:44:20 And we really shouldn't have a crazy president. So, but you can judge for yourself because we're going to read the sections for you and look at it together. And we'll tell you about the political fallout for all sides. Yeah. Now this all started on Thanksgiving with a lengthy post from the president on truth social. He wrote, a very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all of our great American citizens and patriots who have been so nice in allowing our country to be divided, disresolved. carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged, and laughed at, along with certain other foolish countries throughout the world for being, quote, politically correct, and just plain stupid when it comes
Starting point is 00:45:03 to immigration. The official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people, census, most of which are on welfare from failed nations or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs, or drug cartels. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who, because of their beautiful hearts, do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape, or form. They put up with what has happened to our country, but it's eating them alive to do so. As an example, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somalia are completely taking over
Starting point is 00:45:46 the once great state of Minnesota. Somalian gangs are roving the streets looking for prey as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses, hoping against hope that they will be left alone. The seriously blank governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls, does nothing, either through fear, incompetence, or both. Now, while Minnesota does have the largest Somali population in the U.S., they only make up 1.1% of the state's population, according to the U.S. census. Many people did have a problem with the president's brazen use of the R-word, which is seen by many as an insensitive slur, which we'll get to a bit later. But for now, we'll focus on Walls' response, who simply replied with, release the MRI results. This being in reference to the mysterious MRI, Trump underwent during a visit to Walter Reed Medical Center in October.
Starting point is 00:46:51 In a summary of Trump's last known physical exam performed on October 10th, White House physician Dr. Sean Barbella revealed that the 79-year-old president underwent lab testing, advanced imaging, and preventative health assessments as part of his ongoing. health maintenance plan. Trump seemingly revealed the type of imaging that was performed while speaking to reporters on Air Force One on October 27th. I got an MRI, he said at the time, it was perfect. But the White House has not offered more information about how comprehensive the body scans were, nor clarified why the tests were run out of sync with the president's annual physical exam in April. Now, in response to Walls' demand, Trump seemingly said he will release the results of his MRI, despite still not knowing what it was for. Take a look.
Starting point is 00:47:47 MRIs are very... Governor Walts, I see it released the MRI records. Will you tell us when it was for? Governor Wolves, you mean the incompetent governor walls? So if they want to release it, it's okay with me to release it. It's perfect. It's like my phone call where I got impeached. It's absolutely perfect.
Starting point is 00:48:05 So if you want to hear about it or if you want to release it, do you want to have it release news, Facebook? Failing, failing news nation. News nation is doing a lousy, by the way. But if you want to have it released, I'll release it. Please. Can you ask what they were looking at? For what releasing?
Starting point is 00:48:21 No, no, no. What part of your body was the MRI looking at? I have no idea. It was just an MRI, what part of the body. It wasn't the brain because I took a cognitive test and I hasted it. I got a perfect mark, which you would be incapable of doing. Okay. Well, Caroline Levitt, you could see.
Starting point is 00:48:40 released the results, whether you believe them or not, but said it was a normal routine checkup. She said it was to check the state of his cardiovascular and abdominal health, which she says is normal for people of his age group. Jenk, do you believe that? Yeah, I kind of believe them on the MRI because they're saying, oh, we're going to release it right away, right? And he says, oh, it's perfect. Usually when there's something wrong, Like remember when he started having those splotches on his hands and he's got that vein problem and then they hit it like crazy. They're like, there's nothing wrong. What do you mean? There's no, there's no orange makeup on our hand.
Starting point is 00:49:22 And no, our hands fine. Our veins are fine. I don't know what you're talking about, right? That's this one. They're like, MRI. We're handing out guzzles of copies tomorrow. So I suspect that that one's okay based on the context clues. Again, we'll come back to the R word. other people are more offended than I am about that, but to me, the truly offensive stuff
Starting point is 00:49:43 is what Jordan read to you in his true social post. I just want to break it down a little bit more, right? So okay, Somalis, they're all looking to prey on you in the streets. I mean, come on guys, how is this not demagoguing, right? And so there are hundreds of thousands of them. There's approximately 60,000 in Minnesota. So just making up numbers, as he always does, right? And they're swarming all over Minnesota, 1.1% of the population. He says the immigrants are here and they've carved up, murder, beaten, mugged the country and laughed at us, okay. So this is demagoguing 101.
Starting point is 00:50:24 The immigrants, your real problem is not my donors who have rigged all the rules to rob you blind over the last 50 years, so your wages never go up, but your drug prices and every Every other price goes up astronomically and destroys your lifestyle. Don't look at them. A couple of people just crossed the border with no money at all, no power at all. They're the problem, they're praying on you, they're murdering you and carving you up. It's a classic piece of crap demagoguery that I can't stand, okay? So you got criminals here who are undocumented, kick their ass out.
Starting point is 00:51:00 Make sure they serve justice first, maximum security, whatever it needs to be, and they kick them out. No problem. We want to protect our own, Americans first, okay? But when you tell me that perfectly innocent people are going roving around, praying on the, you know, natural born citizens of America, and now we move to the 53 million Americans that are born outside this country. Okay, first of all, shocking, because that number is true. It's only true thing he's ever said, okay?
Starting point is 00:51:30 So most of them are on welfare, preposterous, of course they're not. Of course not, he made it up. In fact, SNAP is the main way of getting quote unquote welfare, that's food stamps. And undocumented immigrants are not allowed to be on stamp. On stamp. And SNAP has the lowest fraud of any government program. So there's no crazy undocumented immigrants all over welfare and taking it, etc. And then you look further.
Starting point is 00:51:57 There's a study that shows that natural born citizens use welfare more than people who are born outside the country. who were born outside the country. And by the way, people who are born outside the country are not undocumented immigrants. That's what they want you to think. That's the, you know, the shell game that they're playing. I'm born outside the country. I'm a U.S. citizen, 100% citizen, even if Stephen Miller's wife doesn't think so. Okay, so no, you're not going to take our citizenship away from us. And no, I'm not going to let you smear us with a bunch of utter garbage that's totally untrue. Documented immigrants, people like me who came here legally, are by far commit the least amount of crime in the country and collect the least amount of welfare.
Starting point is 00:52:40 So Donald Trump is a giant liar who's trying to get you to hate people who are U.S. citizens that is the overwhelming majority of the $53 million for his political benefits. So you don't notice his donors, the people who fraudulently given to his meme coin and all of his other BS coins are the ones that are actually robbing you. They're the criminals. They're the actual problem in this country. They're the ones who rigged the rules both when Democrats and Republicans are in charge. They're the establishment. And now Trump is among those elites. So he's trying to get you to not notice the elites so that you could just hate your fellow citizen instead.
Starting point is 00:53:19 And that's what all this garbage is about. And I care about the substances of that a hell of a lot more than any name he called anybody. Donald Trump insulting me is a badge of honor for me, but I think we all know as both as an educator for a couple decades and as a parent, um, using that term, uh, is just so damaging. You can use that word? Sure. You can use that language, but you can use that language, but you should. shouldn't. Do you stand by that claim of Collington Wall Street? I think there's something wrong with them. Absolutely sure. You don't think this. You have a problem with it? You know what? I think there's something
Starting point is 00:54:11 wrong with them. Get no frills, delivered. Shop the same in-store prices online and enjoy unlimited delivery with PC Express Pass. Get your first year for $2.50 a month. Learn more at pceexpress.ca. the truth social post Trump made on Thanksgiving, he referred to Minnesota governor and
Starting point is 00:54:37 vice presidential hopeful Tim Walls as seriously R-worded. His choice of words was criticized heavily not only by Walls, but also by Republican State Senator Michael Bahachek from Indiana. On Friday, he posted to Facebook, many of you have asked my position on redistricting. I have been an unapologetic advocate for people with intellectual disabilities since the birth of my second daughter. Those of you that don't know me or my family might not know that my daughter has Down syndrome. This is not the first time. Our president has used these insulting and derogatory references and his choices of words have consequences. I will be voting no on redistricting. Perhaps he can use the next 10 months to convince voters that his policies and behavior deserve a congressional majority. The Trump administration has recently been putting more and more pressure on Republican lawmakers in states to redraw congressional district boundaries to gain Republicans more House seats in the midterms.
Starting point is 00:55:44 Indiana legislators are scheduled to weigh such a partisan redistricting measure later in December. But leaders of the state's Senate have cautioned that there is not enough support in the legislative chamber to enact a congressional redistricting plan. Last month, Trump even tried to intimidate any Republicans who went against the redistricting and called for primary challenges to be mounted against them. Now, Jank, you're seeing one immediate response to this. There will be more, I mean, it's kind of wild to see how him using that word leads to a no vote on something totally different, but essential to key Republican priorities and reflects this growing issue of Trump's behavior, his outbursts, causing, you know, ripple effect in his own party. Yeah, I think that the reason that they're doing is not because of the statements. In fact,
Starting point is 00:56:45 I think I could even prove that within this story. I think that they're speaking out against Trump now finally because he's 24 points underwater, the worst since Richard Nixon. Again, he's back to being deeply, deeply unpopular. And even the Republicans in Congress are beginning to see that. And they're beginning to worry about their own seats if they're seen as too close to Trump. So look, let's first of all, on the bad language that he used. Republican politicians drive me crazy when they do this. I remember there was Republican from the Midwest and he came out and said, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:57:27 I used to be against gay marriage and, you know, different kinds of gay rights. But it turns out my son is gay, so now I'm in favor. You know that other people are also human. It doesn't just happen to your son or somebody in your family or yourself. You could actually react with empathy, even if it's not someone in your family. And again, this Indiana guy, he doesn't mind all the terrible things that Trump says about other people and the rest of the message. But you use the R word and my daughter has down syndrome.
Starting point is 00:57:56 So now it personally affects me, now I'm upset, and now I'm not gonna let you do redistricting. Not the way that I would have wished that it would go down, but I'm glad they're not doing the redistricting, the gerrymandering is, I hate it, I can't stand it, it's an attempt of political manipulation, and I'm glad that Trump paid some sort of price for his constant badgering of everyone in a way that is unhinged. And I mean, to me, again, look, let's break down the different, you know, transgressions here. So he criticizes Tim Walls. So what? Tim Walts is another politician. Calls him a bad word, some people are upset, etc. Okay, but inside his message,
Starting point is 00:58:34 the same message, he said he characterized 53 million foreign born people inside the country, the great majority of whom are legal US citizens, 100% of citizens inside the country. This just happened to be born somewhere else. He characterized them as like roving predators who are We're gonna butcher you and carve you up. Most of them are US citizens. And he says mentally unhinged things like, oh, other countries are taking people out of their prisons and mental institutions and bringing them to the border
Starting point is 00:59:10 and releasing them. That's cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Only a lunatic mind would believe that there's no evidence of that at all. No other country has ever done that. And he just says it, there's never any proof, never even an attempt to prove it just I hate foreigners even if they're US citizens I despise them and I'll make up the most outrageous lies about them and
Starting point is 00:59:33 everybody's like oh that's totally fine yeah that's that's normal demagogu yeah of course you hate the foreigners you are you said something about that affects my daughter now I'm really mad okay good I'm glad you're mad but rest of us are also here and if you get a sense of from all the demagoguery that you hear non-stop about people who weren't born here oh my god it's just A storm, oh my God, there's 53 million people, 16% of the country is foreign born. Again, the overwhelming majority of them are citizens who gives a damn where they were born. I knows.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Some do. By the way, if you do, and you're like, no, national blood and soil. I know, yeah, okay, but be careful about what you're saying. Okay, but all right, we've decided that we allow citizenship here. But no, we're going to demagogue about those people anyway who are good people, etc. And because it's out of control, is it? Canada's rate is 22%, Switzerland and Australia are 29% and 30% foreign born. And that's why Switzerland is a madhouse.
Starting point is 01:00:30 You see how they can't control anything. Canada and Australia are riddled with crime. All right, none of those things happen, because it's all BS, made up junk for inside of Donald Trump's crazed mind. If there's one person who's crazed here, it isn't Tim Walz, it's definitely Donald Trump. I mean, I'm just really curious to see how these redistricting fights go. I mean, I don't think this will be the one issue that causes defections. I think it's going to be, like you said, his unpopularity, they don't really want to fall on this unprecedented hill.
Starting point is 01:01:05 Like, Texas is just a unique beast. They're explicitly saying, we're doing this so we can get more seats. It's going to be a lot harder in some of these other states. I mean, Indiana is a purely red state, but some of the other ones they might try this in. I don't know how successful they're going to be. And this is one thing that was my concern after California, understandably did that in response to Texas. I was just worried it was going to be a race to the bottom. Then you see more and more states doing this mid-decade redistricting.
Starting point is 01:01:32 And it puts us even farther away from a system free of partisan gerrymandering. And I don't know how it's going to look in the midterms, but hopefully more outbursts, more bad behavior, more on popularity, more bad polling for Trump. Swades, Republicans from jumping on. Yeah, look, last two quick things here. Guys, first of all, the real crime here out of all of this stuff is forget the offense that people take, gerrymandering. That's where the politicians draw their maps in such insane ways. So they pick their voters, so they have no chance of losing.
Starting point is 01:02:09 So we don't get to pick our politicians. The politicians pick the particular voters that they want. Gerrymandering is a crime against democracy and against the American people. We need to wipe it out from blue and red states completely and regain our government. So join me on the program we do at 8 o'clock Eastern every day. 6 to 8 o'clock is the Young Turks Monday through Friday. Then at 8 o'clock Eastern, on YouTube and everywhere else, we're on almost every platform. And at 8 o'clock Eastern, I do the revolution because we need to all gather together and
Starting point is 01:02:41 upend this crazy system. Because if we have gerrymandering in all the states, our votes are totally useless in those particular seats because they've already been jerry rigged so that this scummy politician who drew the lines is guaranteed to win. Can't stand it. Lastly, the reason why there's a rebellion, as I told you earlier, it's not close guys. To give you context, when Donald Trump first came in, he was only at minus one, which is a great number for Trump. Historically, he's been, you know, in the first term, even before the elections, in significant minus territory. But he's doing pretty well. And remember, he won all seven swing states. He won the popular vote. So he's surging
Starting point is 01:03:18 coming in. And in under a year, he's down to minus 24. I don't think people are understanding that that's a catastrophe politically. That's the same kind of catastrophe that Biden was in when all the Democrats buried their head in the sand and were like, oh, he's fine, he's fine. I'm like, minus 24 is not fine. It's catastrophic. And that's where Trump is right now. And that's why you're seeing some of the few, some of the early rats beginning to abandon ship. All right, we gotta go, Jordan, thank you brother, we appreciate it, that was great. And now when we come back, so Donald Trump has pardoned one of the worst drug traffickers in human history. Why on God's green earth did he do that?
Starting point is 01:04:03 We'll talk about that when we come back. All right, back on the Young Turks, Jank, Eugger, Michael Shore, with you guys also. Mattie Green, JH7FP, nice combination of lettuce. Anyway, Patty, thank you for hitting the join button on YouTube. We appreciate you. And Jed Cusack, thank you for gifting one membership on YouTube as well. You guys are awesome. TYT.com slash join annual membership.
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Starting point is 01:04:49 Right, that's pretty great, that's pretty great. But tomorrow is giving Tuesday. So after you save your 20% donate it and buy a membership or something like that, right? I'm not gonna stop you. Okay, that's an interesting idea. Just putting in a word for it. Okay, we're ready to get busy? Yeah, let's do.
Starting point is 01:05:05 All right, well take a look then at this president of yours. drugs out of the U.S. Can you explain more about why you would pardon a notorious drug trafficker? Well, I don't know who you're talking about, which one. I was told I was asked by Honduras, many of the people of Honduras, they said it was a Biden setup. Everything that goes wrong is a Biden setup. The reporter there was asking the president, you know, why on the one hand, he is saying that he wants to protect us all from drugs. and drug traffickers and we know what's going on in the Caribbean. On the other hand, he's pardoning the former president of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez, who is currently in prison serving a 45 year sentence for helping drug traffickers
Starting point is 01:05:58 move hundreds of tons of cocaine into the United States. We will, we'll talk about that a little bit, but, Jenk, you're dos centavos. Got that. Okay, so number one, there's a killer. quote in this article about how this guy was basically making fun of Americans and how he was going to get us all hooked on drugs. So if Obama had let this guy off, or Biden, wow. Okay, so wait until you find out who this guy is. And then, of course, the second question is, why? Why are we letting one of the worst drug traffickers in history off with a pardon? It's insane.
Starting point is 01:06:42 So let's try to figure out why. Well, not to, okay, yeah, we will, but not just that if, imagine if Obama or Biden let them off, blame Biden for putting him in jail is the other side of it. So it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, right? Yeah, can you imagine if they're like, Biden comes in? He's like, oh, Trump put this terrible drug trafficker in jail. That was so wrong to poor drug trafficker. I mean, he's so what a terrible guy, Trump was like.
Starting point is 01:07:07 So I released them right away so I can sell more drugs and make more fun of Americans as he does. I mean, people would have taken his political head off, right? So let's see if Trump's under different rules or not, because this is outrageous. Well, I don't think we need this next segment to tell us that Trump is under different rules, but we will go ahead with it anyway. Late last week, the president forecast this on truth social, writing this. He said, I will be granting a full and complete pardon to former President Juan Orlando Hernandez, who has been, according to many people that I greatly respect, treated very harshly and unfairly.
Starting point is 01:07:44 This cannot be allowed to happen, especially now after Tito Asfura wins the election, when Honduras will be on its way to great political and financial success. Vote, now we're all caps for Tito Asfura for president, and congratulations to Juan Orlando Hernandez on your upcoming pardon. Hernandez was sentenced to 45 years in prison, as I mentioned last year, for his role in orchestrating not just one thing, but a decades-long drug trafficking conspiracy that not only flooded America with cocaine, but also ravaged his own country of Honduras. Prosecutor said that Mr. Hernandez was key to a scheme that lasted more than 20 years and brought more than 500 tons of cocaine into the United States. Mr. Hernandez told the U.S. officials that he was doing his utmost to stamp out drug trafficking. But prosecutors said his political career had been fueled by drug money as early as 2009 when he was still a lawmaker and vying to lead the Honduran legislature. Hernandez was, you know, somebody who used bribery and that bribery went all the way with Hernandez.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Hernandez directed the police and military to protect smugglers who, paid him off to protect smugglers and he promised to shield them from extradition to the United States. One accused co-conspirator was killed in a Honduran prison to protect the president, according to those court documents. He used drug money to manipulate the, he used drug money to manipulate the vote in two elections, the document said. During his initial run for president in 2013, prosecutors stated that his campaign was partially funded by a notorious drug lord, Chappo, who gave him a $1 million bribe. Davies Leonel Rivera Maradiaga,
Starting point is 01:09:41 a former leader of a gang called Los Cachinos, who admitted to being involved in the deaths of 78 people, also testified that he had bribed Mr. Hernandez with $250,000 delivered to the president's sister, Ilda, in exchange for protection. Another witness at his 2021 trial also stated that Hernandez boasted that we are going to stuff the drugs up the gringo's noses, and they're never even going to know it. I missed that party, by the way. Even though the country
Starting point is 01:10:17 of Honduras celebrated his arrest after he left office in 2022, you'll recall the president just before saying that it's what the people want. The country celebrated his arrest. Trump still believes he's a great guy, and this was all a set up. It's made so clear how you want to keep drugs out of the U.S. Can you explain more about why you would pardon a notorious drug trafficker? Well, I don't know who you're talking about, which one. On Orlando Hernandez. Well, I was told, I was asked by Honduras, many of the people of Honduras, they said it was a Biden set up.
Starting point is 01:10:50 I don't mean Biden. Look, Biden didn't know he was alive, but it was the people that surround the resolute desk surround Biden when he was there, which was about a very little time. And the people of Honduras really thought he was set up, and it was a terrible thing. He was the president of the country. And they basically said he was a drug dealer because he was the president of the country. And they said it was a Biden administration set up. And I looked at the facts, and I agreed with him. What evidence do you hear that he was set up and that he wasn't? When you take a look, I mean, they could say that you take any country you want.
Starting point is 01:11:27 If somebody sells drugs in that country, that doesn't mean you arrest the president and put him in jail for the the rest of the side. just because he was the president, apparently. Hernandez shouldn't be called a drug trafficker is what Trump says, but he is. But it's all, it is okay to call Nicholas Maduro one when there's absolutely no evidence to support that is that what the president is telling us again this move completely undermines everything he is carrying out in the Caribbean basin now senator Tim Cain of virginia the ranking member of the senate foreign relations subcommittee on the western hemisphere that's a tough business card called trump out on that saying
Starting point is 01:12:24 on face the nation sunday that Hernandez was the leader of one of the largest criminal enterprises that has ever been subject to a conviction in U.S. courts and less than one year into his sentence, President Trump is pardoning him, suggesting that President Trump cares nothing about narco trafficking. So, Jenk, there's a lot here, but it is the most blatant and actually the fact that the most blatant hypocrisy and the fact that any presidential advisor said, hey, this is a good idea as we're trying to mount what would it appears to be a false war with Venezuela. Yeah, there's an obvious culprit here.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Let me give you the three potential. Joe Biden. Somehow I didn't make my list of three potential culprits. But one with a bullet, if you will. So when Trump and the true social post talked about, many people that I greatly respect told me to let him go. And then he stopped talking in the video you just saw people around the resolute desk and how they were the wrong guys under Biden,
Starting point is 01:13:28 but they're the right guys in his case. And he's basically seems to not know anything about the guy. They told him to pardon him and he thought it was to his advantage to do so. So he did, by the way, first, before I get to the potential culprits, those are the people he respects that he got the advice from. I'm gonna give a little bit more detail about this guy. Aided in at least 56 murders that we know of. Dozens of traffickers, drug traffickers testified during his trial and said, oh yeah,
Starting point is 01:13:58 We did all these murders and he knew about it and he ate it and abetted it. So, and by the way, we gave him the money so that he could rise up from an unknown rural congressman in Honduras to the presidency, right? So drug trafficking was not something he did on the side because he had access to power. That's how he rose up to having power in Honduras. And El Chapo apparently gave his brother a million dollar bribe. And by the way, all of this stuff was proven in U.S. courts. So there's not really any doubt about it at all. And he was convicted.
Starting point is 01:14:33 So no question he did all these things. By the way, whoever the people were that advised them, they might want him back in power because there's a ruling in Honduras that says he could run again. So now he might be like out of a 45 year prison sentence for being one of the worst drug traffickers in our lifetime. And back to running a country, okay? So who might have put them up to this? So number one is potentially donors, right? So that's who Trump usually does favors for.
Starting point is 01:15:06 Why are we going to potentially war with Venezuela? When they do the least drug trafficking, right? Because of oil companies and oil companies were huge donors to Donald Trump. So that's culprit number one, but I don't think the most likely. Culpert number two is, well, I gotta tell you this fact, apparently Hernandez moved Honduras's embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. And that was very, very well received in power circles in Washington. Okay, so that's of course what Israel wants.
Starting point is 01:15:40 They're very happy with it. So maybe they did a whispering. Now, you know, he's a terrible drug trafficker, but he did what Israel ordered him to do. So here we go, go ahead and pardon him. By the way, it's not like Israel hasn't asked for pardons for people who have betrayed us and gotten it, Jonathan Pollard, right? One of the worst spies in American history. And by the way, the kind of pardon was Obama and Trump, which allowed him to return to Israel.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Okay, but I think that those are two less likely choices. I think the most likely choice is the CIA. Because has the CIA worked with foreign leaders who might be dealing drugs? Of course, we know that for a fact. They used to work with Noriega, then they turned on Noriega. And so now they used to work with her, my guess is they used to work with Hernandez. Now once he lost power, they didn't need him anymore and they knew how, what a terrible guy he was. So they turned on him and that might be the guys around the resolute desk that told Biden,
Starting point is 01:16:35 hey, you know what, he's a terrible guy. I mean, we used them all we could. Now let's throw him in jail. And Trump thinks, oh, you can't do that. Now new CIA guys come in and go, no, no, no, no. We could put him back in charge, deal all the drugs we want, kill everybody we want. As long as we get whatever we want, why not I don't know what we want from Honduras. But in my experience, in my lifetime, the CIA has never justified its existence.
Starting point is 01:17:01 It has been a horrendous cancer in this country that has served corporations and foreign interests and almost never served their American people. So I don't know what the dirty CIA is up to. But apparently they like this disgusting creep is my best guess. Now you know the facts about him, you know my guess is, what's your guess? My guess is that it's a combination. I, you know, I don't know enough as to what the motivations for the CIA would be. I'm not disagreeing that.
Starting point is 01:17:46 I just don't know and I didn't think about it. I think naive Buckele in El Salvador and trying to sort of of have a kind of a unit unit party governance in el salvador where it's the rich and the influential in central america which is what bucalae wants so he wants regime change in all the countries surrounding el salvador so i think that it's probably uh partly to do with that i suspect and also you know it it it's i think it falls under and we'll talk about this in the next story on alina I think it also falls under this idea that undoing everything that the previous administration did is still job number one for this president. And it happens at every turn.
Starting point is 01:18:31 Now, I'm not saying that this is exactly that or that there's motivation for doing it just on that basis. But it is consistent. And they do it all the time. And it is so hypocritical. The other thing is, you know, when I was down in Honduras doing an immigration story in 2021, I guess one of the people I was interviewing who was upset that with America's position on immigration said why do you why do you guys care so much if some Hondurans come across when our government has been sending cocaine across and
Starting point is 01:19:05 nobody does a damn thing about it you all you care about are the people because they look different but the drug the guy said to me the drug is white so it's okay which I thought was you know an amazing thing at that time I mean, I didn't even know the intricacies of the Hernandez case at that point. But when he said it to me, it made a lot of sense. Okay, well, we don't want people to come over, but we'll be happy to fund any of the drug running that comes over here because of national security interest. Yeah, so let's two things here. Number one, he also mentioned people from Honduras, he said that vouch for him.
Starting point is 01:19:38 So it could be incredibly wealthy people from Honduras who might also be drug traffickers, by the way, that are promising him at Trump towers. I don't know. Or he could be lying and there are no people in Honduras. That's totally right. One guy he met at a party who said, you know, we should get rid of our president. Right, or it could be the president of El Salvador. Yeah, right, right. And so could be nobody from Honduras.
Starting point is 01:20:00 But whoever it is that told them to release one of the worst drug traffickers in our lifetimes is not the good guys, they're the bad guys. Whether it's some rando, rich person in Honduras, or it's a foreign government like El Salvador or whoever, or it's the CIA. Whoever's said let him go is definitively the bad guys. And so my last question then becomes, okay, the basis turned on him on Epstein. They've turned on him on Israel, they've turned on him on a number of things, okay? And out on inflation, which is probably the most important on those three. So now he's up minus 24 in polling, disastrous shape. The second worst of any president and the guy who was at negative 36 was Richard Nixon right before he resigned.
Starting point is 01:20:45 Okay, so now Mike, what I wonder about this, Michael, and I don't know the answer. And I'm not shy about it when I think I know the answer, right? So, but here I don't know if his base looks at this and goes, atta boy, way to let that drug trafficker go. And him talking about how Americans are so stupid, we're not even going to notice it when he shoves the drugs up our nose and kills our family members. Yay, Mr. Trump, President Trump. Or are they gonna be like, wait, wait, wait, what the hell is this?
Starting point is 01:21:14 Right. Especially because, and I don't say this tongue in cheek, his last name's Hernandez. And so many people in his base think that everybody with the last name, Hernandez, either shouldn't be here or should be in jail. So even if you take the details of it out, it's the kind of thing that I agree with you, Jank, goes at the gut of what his base is, and his base is going to say, what the hell is this? And you're starting to hear it. I mean, you're starting to hear it among congressional Republicans who are now emboldened by the lame duckness of this president as early as. as it is. Yeah, maybe there's a third of his base that goes, Hernandez, I'm done with the guy, right?
Starting point is 01:21:50 I don't know. His base, not everybody voted for, not the party, but his base, right? But I think that a ton of his base and the majority of his base, if you just remove this from the guy that Donald Trump pardon, and you read him this quote saying, we're gonna stuff the drugs up to gringo's noses and they're never even going to know it, that Trump's base would be furious with that guy, right? And they should be and they should be. And that's the guy Trump just pardoned.
Starting point is 01:22:18 So what happens when those two things clash? I like President Trump, but he did something that infuriates me. Well, if it gets enough press, maybe we'll find out. Yeah, the elevator music to this though remains the fact that he's trying to wage war in Central America in the Caribbean basin over the exact same thing that he's freeing a man for. It's in unconscionable and really hard to understand politically. Yeah, if all, if you thought he's acting in a way that is in our interest, American voters' interests, this is inexplicable. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:22:53 All right, we'll be right back. TYT, Jank and Michael with you guys. You guys are funny, I'm gonna read more of your comments during the next social breaks, so hang around for that. Michael, what's next? I got bad news, Jank, bad news for the Trump administration. Alina Haba, you'll remember as Trump's former
Starting point is 01:23:30 personal lawyer and attorney for New Jersey and attorney general for New Jersey has been disqualified from serving as the top federal prosecutor in that state, meaning Habba's appointment, it's unlawful, unlawful, and thus her time serving as the top fed prosecutor was just her playing pretend. Jenk, you're two cents before you get into the Alina Haba details and how she's been disqualified as U.S. attorney.
Starting point is 01:23:58 Look, I think this is a great story. I think it's a really important story. Why, it turns out there's still laws in this country. And you kind of have to abide by them. So what did they do wrong here? What did the judges do? And will Trump listen to them? And why he's He kind of has to. So all of this is very interesting, not just for this particular story and not just that ha ha, Alina Hobba can't be the US attorney. But there's really important parts of this story about whether they're gonna cross the Rubicon or not.
Starting point is 01:24:28 Yeah, and also how revelatory it is about the way that this administration tries to play the system and use and go around back channels to get done what's in their political agenda and how they address their political enemies. There are numerous issues with how Alina Haba was appointed and overstayed her welcome. Earlier this year in August, U.S. District Judge Matthew W. Brand filed, ruled on those issues in a 77-page ruling. Here's part of it. The executive branch has perpetuated Alina Haba's appointment to act as the United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey through a novel series of legal and personnel moves. Now, got to follow this. Alina Haba was sworn in March, is sworn in on March 28 but interim appointments are capped at 120 days. Trump nominated her to be the
Starting point is 01:25:18 permanent U.S. attorney on June 30 but the Senate did not act. On July 22nd, judges of the U.S. District Court of New Jersey invoked their statutory power to appoint a new U.S. attorney, Haba's deputy. So they did the old switcheroo here. Follow. Attorney General Pam Bondi fired Haba's successor and appointed Haba as quote, special attorney to the attorney general and then named her to the open deputy spot, which allowed her to become the acting U.S. attorney. I mean, this is just manipulating the rules.
Starting point is 01:25:57 U.S. District Judge Matthew W. Brand continued, faced with the question of whether Ms. Haba is lawfully performing the functions and duties of the office of the United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey, I conclude that she is not. Haba is not currently qualified to exercise the functions and duties of the office in an acting capacity. She must be disqualified from participating in any ongoing cases. In fact, she was acting the whole time. That's the perfect title for her acting U.S. attorney because she was really doing a performative piece. Today's ruling comes from a unanimous decision important by the third district court of appeals.
Starting point is 01:26:39 The decision stemmed from motions of three criminal defendants who had HABA illegally overseeing their cases. Abby Lowell, Jerry Cravatten and Norm Eisen. Abby Lowell, you know, these are all political if you look at them. You know, Abby Lowell was on, has represented Lisa Cook most recently on the FCC board. Norm Eisen was a one of the lawyers involved. in the impeachment, the first impeachment of Trump. Jerry Kravatin is an immigration attorney. Abby Lowe has in his past also represented Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, among many, many others. A judge did not dismiss their cases, but agreed Haba should be disqualified.
Starting point is 01:27:20 Hava's appointment also violated the Federal Vacancies Reform Act. The Vacancies Act stipulates that unless a covered acting officer is serving in compliance with the law, any attempt to to perform the functions and duties of that office will have no force or effect. Let me just repeat that. Any attempt to perform the functions and duties of that office will have no force or effect. Non-compliant actions are void and may not be ratified.
Starting point is 01:27:48 This is not the only unlawful appointee. You'll remember, you don't have to think back far. Late last week, a federal judge dismissed the cases against James Comey and Letitia James because Lindsey Halligan was also unlawful. fully appointed to the position of interim U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. Department of Justice has stated they plan to appeal those rulings and that's not a surprise. But, Jenk, this is one attorney per week. We're up to two straight weeks.
Starting point is 01:28:33 Her deputy that they put in place of her, the judge is actually in a case said, look, we don't want to jeopardize these actual cases because they're dangerous, because some of them could be dangerous criminals, right, that we're trying here. So we're going to put her deputy in charge of the case and in charge of the department because she's there illegally, right? And the Trump administration got mad at that and fired the deputy, but she didn't do anything wrong. Right. I mean, for all you know, she might have been a huge Trump supporter.
Starting point is 01:29:10 She was assigned to those cases by the judges. They're like, who cares? Out of infinite pettiness, we fire you. So I guess the reverse of that song I shot the sheriff, but not the deputy. You don't work, have you been sitting on that all day? No, I thought of it a minute ago, so I was sitting on it for a minute. Okay, okay, so, okay, now to the heart of the case. Look, having someone to serve past 120 days, is that the worst transgression that Trump
Starting point is 01:29:39 has done? No, not close, right? So on the other hand, it could jeopardize the cases, including criminal cases, so it's not a great idea either. But that's not the heart of this story. I'm not like, oh my God, Alina Hoppa was in there on day 123 and the country fell apart. No, the country didn't fall apart, right? But the heart of the case is about, are we going to follow the law or not? There is a law, you can't go past 120 days you have by the way you can solve all this just get her confirmed right and then that'll be but the problem is the two senators from New Jersey say no she's a bit of a loon and we're not going to participate in that right and so then that dooms her in the Senate
Starting point is 01:30:22 okay then find someone else we have laws and this is the judge is basically saying brother I don't get it are you going to follow the law or not because this is not an unclear law and brazenly violating it and so we're just not going to let you do it and that is exactly the role of the judiciary and then there are two other little things about this which are interesting to me one is he always says I appoint the best people right he she was his personal lawyer all he did was lose cases everything that happened with him in a courtroom in New York and elsewhere he lost and So why do you want this person working for you?
Starting point is 01:31:04 A, B, there's something in the Trump mentality, in the Trump world mentality here, where they look for loopholes, right? So we hear people saying, oh, what's going to happen is Vance is going to run. He's going to make Trump his vice president, then Vance is going to resign. We all laugh at that. We think, oh, there's no way that could happen. There's no way that that's basically the model for what this is, right? It's the deputy and put the deputy in there.
Starting point is 01:31:25 The deputy steps down, this is the acting person. It's like Putin and Medvedev were years ago. and Medvedev won the presidency, but then Putin came back, again, I'm not drawing a straight line, but I'm certainly saying that this is the way they're manipulative minds think in the way they want to play the system. And clearly they do play the system because they don't abide by the laws of the country. Yeah, and last thing I'll say is, yeah, I don't mind you fudging things a little bit, playing around, using all the loopholes you can, as long as it's legal, right? So for example, whether it's Trump or the Democrats, if they say, hey, you know
Starting point is 01:32:01 what, here's a rule I'm using to fire the parliamentarian so I can get this bill passed. As long as you're still within the bounds of the law, I actually would probably push the envelope to get our agenda done, okay? But once you're beyond the law, no, it's a hard no. Otherwise, we don't have laws anymore, right? As Trump would say, then we don't have a country anymore. But there's something, but there's something consistently manipulative about it when you do it as a matter of course, even if you're within the law, and that's how you're going to play the entire time. I mean, that there's the spirit of the game too, right? I mean, I see, that's where you and I might disagree a little bit.
Starting point is 01:32:40 I want to push as hard as I can with an agenda, and I, and I, game respects game, I don't mind them doing that. But once you're outside the law, then we can't have it. Otherwise, everything's going to fall apart. So no, no, and the judges are absolutely right here. Get back to within the law. Three of them, unanimously, they're right. And two of them are appointed by Republican presidents. All right, we're going to take a quick break.
Starting point is 01:33:00 We'll be right back. All right, back during the break here. Asmos Prophet with a nice shout out for Bart. He says, Bart, you're a suave mofo. Berth de Mundo. Swave indeed. And smooth. Grock de vote wrote in about the MRI as well.
Starting point is 01:33:21 I worked for a radiology company for 20 years, and I call BS on the MRI cover story. MRI scans are almost never used for routine screening. Only ones I can think of our breast MRI or head MRA. And those are for screening with immediate family history of breast cancer or cerebral aneurysm. Screening MRI for coronary or abdominal health, not a thing. Interesting. Yeah, that matches my experience, first of all, you're gonna know a lot better than me. You work 20 years in radiology, right?
Starting point is 01:33:52 But yeah, you're right, there's no random MRIs. We're almost done, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have breast cancer. Pretty sure. So, okay. So yeah, it's strange. Trump has had some health issues that are strange that they're definitely not talking about. Maybe I, you know, I dismissed that a little too quickly because they were so like, I'm releasing him like crazy, no problem.
Starting point is 01:34:19 Maybe you guys are right. It's going to come with like a Sharpie and- Well, no president has ever been healthier. They've never been a president this healthy. this healthy. back on T.O.T. Chang and Michael. Last story. Yeah. How about a little bit of comedy? Let's laugh. Secretary Sean Duffy urges travelers to dress up and being a good mood. Hey, Sean, f' you. Hey, fuck you, by the way. Shut the fuck up. How about you get the
Starting point is 01:35:04 planes in the fucking sky, you scumbag, and shut the fuck up. Yeah, Tim Dillon, not too pleased with Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. The comedian was responding to this statement from the former congressman and current Transportation Secretary. We have to think about how do we do a better job? How do we maintain maybe some of that frustration we have as we travel this Thanksgiving season? I think, again, I call this just maybe dressing with some respect, you know, whether it's a pair of jeans and a decent shirt, I would encourage people to maybe dress a little better, which encourages us, encourages us to maybe behave all a little better. Let's try not to wear slippers and pajamas as we come to the airport. I think that's positive.
Starting point is 01:35:57 And here is the rest. I can't wait to talk about this. Here's the rest of what Tim Dillon had to say. How about you get the planes in the sky, you scumbag, and shut the fuck up. I'm sick of being lectured by this government that knows nothing about what's actually happening out there. okay? The whole entire experience of travel has become an unending hell. Everybody is understaffed. There are delays at all the major airports. The airports are old. They've fallen into disrepair. The planes are old. The pilots are underpaid. People dress up like they're going to bed when they fly.
Starting point is 01:36:36 You don't even have a tie on your scumbag. Why would I dress up and the plane doesn't take off? Why isn't everyone dressed up on the Southwest flight? Because everyone's f***ed. Hey, Sean, their lives suck. That's why they can't dress up. They're going to identify the body of their daughter. That's why they're taking that flight, Sean. Maybe they don't want to put on a nice holiday sweater. They're going to identify to see if the body in the lake is their daughter.
Starting point is 01:37:03 And they don't have a lot of money so they're on frontier airlines. Well then. So, so, check, there's a lot to break down. in a very little bit of time, but I'd love to hear what you think of this. Yeah. So look, I noticed that a while back too. You know, when I was a kid, people would get dressed up and suits and the whole thing. And I remember the year where we decided that we weren't going to dress up when we were going out of like a 14, 18 hour trip to Turkey, right? And I was like, yes. And now Sean Duffy's trying to
Starting point is 01:37:42 redo that and bring that back. No, look guys, don't punch each other in their face. I'm playing easy yeah right that's really the message we need to deliver but otherwise I'm with Tim Dillon what do you think no no I says it I'm more hesitantly with Sean Duffy than I am Tim Dillon but but I get both of their cases I fly a lot you fly a lot the guy with the flip flops and the shorts who's putting his feet up on the seat and put the decorum decline in the sky is noticeable it's palpable yeah but you know two things can be true at the same time you're right You know, I've told a story on old school that Michael and I do together.
Starting point is 01:38:19 If you're a member, you get that whenever you want, it's a great reason to be a member. TYT.com slash join. We've told a million airplane service, but one of them was about this Chinese guy who's sitting next to me across the aisle, gets on the plane, takes off his shoes, then takes off his socks, and starts waving them around, and then all the whole thing with no socks, and then he climbed over us when the plane was deplane, when we're deplaning and then we get out the long story the short version get out and he's sitting right there he didn't have to climb over anyone he just did it because he's like whatever who cares right so yes you're right we maybe we dialed back into
Starting point is 01:38:59 quorum a little bit well i think a lot but i don't think it's up to the transportation secretary it's up to teachers and parents and friends and you know like that's who it's up to you know and we don't need to hear from big brother that we've got to wear a sport coach on the plane, right? I mean, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I totally hear you. But dress nicer. Yeah, let's leave the socks on.
Starting point is 01:39:21 Let's leave the socks on. Okay. Keep the feet down, especially if there's nothing on them. But overall, of course Tim's making the best point, which is you don't know those folks' circumstances. What you do know and what you should know and what you should concentrate on is making sure the planes are okay. Because they keep pulling out of the sky. Well, except that they don't keep falling out of the sky. Yeah, that's a different.
Starting point is 01:39:44 Boeing, a couple of Boeing fell out of the sky. Nothing is safer than flying a commercial airline in the United States. Okay, but in the beginning of his term, we had a couple of FAA significant issues because of air traffic control. We fired a lot of air traffic control guys, no question, which made it way, way, way harder, and that's the danger. Yes, flying abroad safer. And we wear pajamas to the airport because we might have to sleep there because the plane might not, we might be missing in connection, not be able to fly out to, there are valid points in what Tim is saying. I'm just saying in general look nicer. I mean look, sometimes you got to ask, where's the plane?
Starting point is 01:40:17 Right. And sometimes they bring it to you. Boss. Well, that's also true. Yeah. All right, anyways, everybody cool it, don't hit each other. And Sean worry about air traffic control, okay? All right, guys, thank you, Michael, appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:40:34 We're gonna come back. You know how we're chasing down a bunch of things in the Revolution show? And well, we've got a conclusion on one of them. And I think you're gonna love it. So stay right here.

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