The Young Turks - Losing The InfoWar

Episode Date: June 8, 2024

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. I'm so upset. Oh my God. Gah! Live from the Polymarket Studio in L.A. It's the Young Turks. Speed-by-Kee!

Speed-by-Kee! Drop it like the hot-tee! Drop it like the hot-ne-haired-the-ha-th that's sweeping the nation. That hair color would of course be light brown. I unfortunately went in a different direction. Hey everybody, it's the young Turks. I'm John. Oh my God, what was going on in that first open? Is that new? That was crazy. Yeah, there was a lot going on. I don't know. I'm surprised by everything today. But anyway, not super surprised by the direction that Trump's

interview with Dr. Phil went, although there was some fun moments there and we're going to dive into them shortly. But I of course am joined and very lucky to be joined on this first hour of the Young Turks by contributor to Rebel HQ. Some say king of Rebel HQ, David Schuster. Royalty on Rebel HQ, but that's okay. I appreciate it. No royalty. You know purple's the color of royalty. But anyway, as well as senior staff writer at the ringer, host of the woke bros podcast, Wazi Lombray, always glad to have you here as well. Happy to be on. First, you got purple hair, then producer Kate, ditch the glasses. Down is up and up is down.

And it's changing over here at TYT this week. Yeah, I even cut my hair. What the hell's going on out here? It's chaos. I got a text message of Brett. He just frosted his hair purple. So everyone wait next week for that. But anyway, hair aside, there's other stuff going on in the country. And we'll start with this. What a great opportunity for you to stop this cycle, this vicious cycle of got you, got you back, got you got you back. We have to unite the country. We have to save the country.

That's not really saving the country. There are people that did some bad things. I know who they are and all of that. Revenge does take time, I will say that. It does. And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil, I have to be honest. Sometimes it can. That, of course, is Donald Trump in a sit down interview with Dr. Phil, where he talks about

how awesome revenge is. And sometimes it takes a while, but there's bad people out there, and maybe we need revenge. He asserts that these people theoretically might need to be revenged because they've done bad things, which is about as explicit or clear as he'll ever get about the supposed crimes of his enemies. Meanwhile, that interview is being conducted on the on the stage where the stolen classified documents were being stored. So you have his vague assertions of criminality and then he's at the site of one of his crimes. But while talk of revenge has become sort of a constant in these Trump interviews, Dr. Phil would have you not worry too much about that, okay? He doesn't think Trump is actually going to pursue revenge

when he becomes president and here he is making that case. Is he going to work for the American people or is he going to work for himself? What do you think? Well, I think that's for the voters to decide. And if he continues to talk about retribution, revenge, then they're going to have to make a decision. If that's what he's running on, then I think people would say I don't think that that's where I want to place my vote. And I hope that's not what he intends to do. I hope it's not what he's going to do. I think he's made a commitment during the interview that I did with him, that that's not what he's going to do.

And I hope as he moves further along and hears more voices like mine, voices like yours that say, that's not what we want. That's not what we need. I think he'll get the message that, look, nobody wants that. That's running your agenda, not our agenda. And that's what we need to say to all of these candidates, including Donald Trump. He's clearly a very intelligent man. He's worth he's earned every penny he's ever gotten. Yeah, Trump is going to listen to Dr. Phil and Abby Phillips of all people. He's going to take advice from Abby Phillips of CNN, his worst enemy, to not go for revenge.

And look, Dr. Phil can baselessly assert that nobody wants him to start locking up Democrats. I don't think that a majority of the country wants him to, but I do think tens of millions of of those in his base certainly want him to. Many of the people are going to end up in prominent positions in his administration are openly advocating on it for on a variety of podcasts and Rumble shows literally as we're recording this. So that's a weird take from Dr. Phil, but understand he's trying to maintain his access. He got to go to Marlago to the site of the classified documents theft. He got to speak to Donald Trump, but that's certainly a boon to his show.

But before we discuss, I do just want to remind you that this was not the only time that he's talked about this. an interview with Sean Hannity two days ago where he said he would have every right to weaponize the DOJ to prosecute his political enemies. He says you have to do it, but it's awful. Look, I know you want me to say something so nice. I don't want to look naive. Yeah, he wants revenge and his base wants revenge. And look, they'll point to the fact that he got through his first term without locking up his political opponents, which I guess is for the most part technically true. But we know that he put pressure on Jeff Sessions initially to investigate Hillary Clinton. An investigation of Hillary Clinton happened during that time. And so it seems like that would

be a lot of faith, I think unearned faith that you'd have to put on him to think that he's not going to pursue revenge if he gets the chance. I want to start with you, Waz. What do you make of that? Is this bluster? Do you think that this is actually going to be his agenda? No man, I got a pretty long memory when it comes to Donald Trump's as a candidate. And he seems kind of cowed here, guys. I don't know. This doesn't feel like Bill the Wall and Mexico will pay for it or lock her up. Like he did that stuff with so much more verve than he's doing all of this stuff.

Like this guy seems pretty defeated. He seems pretty down in a dump after finally having lost an actual court case that people can say, yo, he did it and it's been proven and he's been convicted. He feels pretty cowed by this. And, you know, what I will say to add to that, honestly, John and David, if there are Democrats who have committed crimes and Donald Trump wants to use the DOJ to prosecute them, I say he does it and he does it to the fullest extent of the law. If people have committed crimes and their Democrats, lock their asses up. That's where I'm at with that. Yeah. I agree wholeheartedly wise. I mean, people who break the law, put them on trial and let a jury just. decide what to do. Exactly. My issue, I guess, in all of this is, and I also agree that I think Donald Trump seems to be somewhat broken, is that there's always that analogy about, you know, the most dangerous animals, one that is caged and cornered. And even though Donald Trump

maybe has lost a little bit on a fastball, I think his intention is still trying to get some sort of revenge. And part of what's so creepy about all of this is I go back and forth between, you know, the United States and media, we are doomed and oh, no, maybe it's not going to be so bad, maybe we'll survive. And I go back and forth every day. And then I see Dr. Phil doing the interview with Donald Trump about vengeance and revenge. And I think, no, we are doomed. When Dr. Phil has somehow become a key voice in this discussion that some people will listen to, even in Trump world, we are really doomed as a society and as immediate. Yeah. Yeah, I will add to both of you, his energy is certainly lower,

I think. He wasn't totally checked out of the interview or whatever. He was doing his little sly smirks at the idea of locking people up or destroying democracy and stuff like that. But yeah, he doesn't have the energy that he did. In his defense, he's a thousand years old. So I think it's only fair to acknowledge that. But I am at least a little bit worried, because not only is he a weak little man who hates everyone around him that's ever betrayed him and would love the idea of locking them up, but it's also like the right is always looking for the thing that can stand in for actually delivering to their base, a base that hates the establishment, the elites, whatever, and want something to be done. You could actually

do that sort of stuff. You could challenge the stranglehold that corporations have on our policy or the way that the wealthy have captured both parties. You could do all the actual substantive stuff to check the establishment. They obviously don't want to do that. So they need something to stand in for it. And you know, they've gotten a couple of years out of demonizing trans people and all that. But locking up prominent Democrats is a wonderful diversion or distraction. Because it looks even more like you're actually kind of going after the establishment. I mean, some of these people are politicians. Some of them have been in office. Now, it isn't actually delivering anything for their base, but I think that to their base,

it'll look good in the place of where real reforms should be. So I think it's going to be hard to turn that down, especially if you get like it's one thing to campaign on this stuff when you're trying to get in office. But when you're actually in office and six months have gone by and the only thing you've even proposed is more tax cuts for the wealthy, you kind of have to deliver something for your base. And I think that this could be an easy stand in. But that's- I think- I definitely agree that. He's not focused on any sort of change, major policy changes or even building the wall or that stuff. He's focused on his own survival and his own sort of being redeemed. And the way he gets redeemed is either being winning on

appeal or somehow being able to stop these other court cases and not going to jail, then winning the election, and then he can do whatever we want with Democrats. That's his entire focus. And so the idea that we should expect, even if Donald Trump, you know, on his best day, does Donald Trump really have some sort of policy he really wants to enact? Does he really have any sort of change he wants to make for the world other than make rich people wealthier? Of course not. Donald Trump simply wants to promote himself. And right now his image has taken a hit because of the convictions,

and he feels the need to change that and redeem himself in the eyes of everybody. I just think we should I just think we shouldn't underestimate the power of simply owning the libs like just by virtue of winning he has done a great service to his base who just hate the libs hate the Dems and want to see them lose like his last is four years in office what did he really do for them like he built a little you know a little chain link fence across the border barely built a wall he cut the hell out of taxes. He got his little Muslim ban. I know they did love that one. He got his Muslim band. But other than that, he just existed. And they were so freaking happy about it. I don't know that he actually has to do anything for these people. Yeah. Yeah, I certainly agree. It's so obvious. But I don't know. Like if I were to put it in metaphoric terms, I feel like owning the libs is something they truly value. One could even potentially call it the rights precious. And they are Gallum. And they are. And they're They will follow that precious down into the magma, unfortunately, not realizing that they're plummeting to their doom. They're so focused on owning some random teacher from Tennessee, like their spot was blown up by Libs of TikTok that they don't realize that their flesh is melting off their bones. At one point in Dr. Phil's interview with Donald Trump, he decided to give his read of the sort

of man that Donald Trump is. And I don't think anyone has been more wrong about a person they're psychoanalyzing that Dr. Phil is in this moment. Number one question again, how do you stand it? How do you do it? How do you get up in the morning and put your clothes on and go to work? I understand how. I know you got a thick skin. You're not one of those people that's afflicted with the need to be loved by strangers. I get that. I think that's true.

Let's face it. I mean, you're a billionaire. You got a great family. You're a very dedicated father. People may not see this in you a lot because you keep that kind of private. But my question to you is why do you subject yourself to this? My question to Dr. Phil is, why are you continuing this interview while having a stroke? Because something is clearly wrong with you. First of all, I love the B roll they went to when

demonstrating his perfect family. It's their face, their pale face is emerging from shadow. They look like they're about to eat flesh. What is going on in that image? But anyway, the idea that he does that he has a thick skin. And oh my God, I know you can do this. You're so tough, but why are you doing this? First of all, Donald Trump, the reason he asked that is is Donald Trump was once again talking about how everything's so tough on him. And it's amazing that I'm able to do it. And I'm giving up so much. The dude never stops talking about the supposed sacrifices that he's making when he is doing nothing but benefiting politically in terms of power and financially from all of this.

David, what do you make of that? Well, the irony is you could pose that same question to any presidential candidate of either party for the last 30 years because running for president is tough. And your entire life gets under a spotlight and you have to deal with all kinds of crap and all the problems that your family has and you separated from your family and there's tensions. It's brutal. But the normal I answer from people who are running for president is they say, you know what? The sacrifice that I'm making, the pain that I have to go through is nothing compared to what so many other people out there have to go through who are not running for president. And if I can somehow change the

United States and make it better, make it greater, make us safer, make us more prosperous, then it will have been all worth whatever discomfort I might have felt. And there's a variety of, you know, there are variations of that answer. But that's the answer you get from every Republican and every Democrat when they're facing that same question over the last 30 years. Well, Donald Trump, he doesn't even go near there. He's just like, oh, it's me. Yes, I'm a great family man. Oh, yeah, I don't really want everybody to love me. No, I do. I mean, it's crazy.

The sickest joke of that question is that president of the United States, of the United States is allegedly civil service, allegedly he's in there working for American people. So the obvious, the answer should be obvious in the question of why is he doing this? Well, the job is to work for the people who elected you and the people who didn't, by the way, like the answer should be so implicit. But we're so far past the Rubicon at this point in terms of public service. Like, Dr. Phil can't even bring himself to even present that farce as an idea that like, of course Donald Trump is doing it to serve. He's, this is a service he's performing. Duh, the sacrifices for us, John, duh, can't you see that?

Look, I'm not saying that there's one explanation as to why he's running for office. I think there are several compelling options. One, he's obsessed with power and any things that'll bring him some sort of satisfaction or solace within his life that money and family and business never has. It could be that he just wants to make money off of it. It could be that he just wants to avoid going to prison. There are a couple of compelling arguments. Dr. Phil has not considered any of these. He also, by the way, apparently didn't consider that when he's talking to Trump about this and specifically saying you don't feel the need to have these people love you. He's talking to a man who was literally just found guilty of paying

hush money payments to cover up the fact that he was having yet another affair behind his wife's back. And look, I'm not surprised that Dr. Phil doesn't mention the reality of not only that case that Trump lost, but also the New York fraud case, and also the E. Jean Carroll. He was literally found guilty of sexually abusing a woman like a few months ago. And Dr. Phil's like, what name so? I've never heard any of this. But of course, he can't bring up those things because if he does the interviews done, he'll never get to put it up, he'll never talk to Trump again because, and this is the perfect, I think this is the reality beyond the ridiculous thick skin thing that he's talking about,

is Donald Trump will never talk to anyone who will ask him tough questions. He has surrounded himself with a marshmallow soft cocoon of lackeys and goons and people who will never question him. And that's only gotten worse once he's entered politics. If you want to, like Sean Hannity is the toughest interviewer he will sit down with between now and the election. He might show up for a debate, possibly, but only because he's terrified of being called a coward if he doesn't. And it's not a guarantee that he actually will. But like you're not going to get pushback from Dr. Phil. Or at least you'll get a slight bit. And I will give credit to Dr. Phil.

There's apparently one time that he corrected Donald Trump, but not to his face, only in the edit. At one point, Donald Trump repeats his claim that people are pouring over the border from jails and mental institutions. And they corrected it to say psychiatric facilities. Oh, thank you, Dr. Phil. Is that not so compassionate of you to change that particular term? Well, and speaking of psychiatric facilities, and yeah, you're right. I mean, Donald Trump only seeks out the softball interviews, the interviews from the people who are essentially propping him up. But what's also so remarkable is to the point that out was was making about,

you know, serving the public or serving the people. I mean, most, look, I think you have to have a certain amount of narcissism, a certain amount to run for president anyway. Who would want that job? But the difference with Donald Trump is obviously it's so much more extreme, And he cannot even fake that he wants to help the greater good or he wants to serve people. I mean, there have been presidents in the past who just, oh, they want the airplane. They want the White House. It's the ultimate, you know, thing to be able to be president of the United States. But at least they're able to put on some airs at all, but we need to help people.

We need to make that shining city on the hill, whatever it is. Donald Trump can't even fake it. No, no. Any final. Yeah, I mean, it just seems obvious why the guy's running. He does enjoy the power. He enjoys the influence. His freaking son-in-law got like a billion dollars from the Saudis the second he left office. Like it's obvious what the benefits of having this job are. And so it's quite obvious why Donald Trump would want to have it again. Yeah. I get why my final point. I get why Dr. Phil is doing what he's doing. He wants to juice the numbers of his show, which apparently exists on Pluto TV. I don't know if anyone watching this was familiar with the fact that he even had a show. So you need an interview like this. But what I don't understand is how we have come to this place in our culture.

And maybe it's not new. It feels new to me. Maybe it's not. How we are like criminally incapable of looking at a person and their actions and their statements and coming to an accurate understanding of who they are. That you can look at Trump and millions of people think that he's tough, not sensitive, loyal to his family, cares about the common man. man when they have received literally tens of thousands of pieces of evidence that that is not true over the last decade, that people can watch all of the decisions of an Elon Musk and come out of it thinking he's a genius. It's not even that these people operate in the shadows and are able to succeed without us seeing who they are. They show us who they are and we can't see it.

And I don't understand that. I don't know how to break through to people. But these these cults of personality that the internet seems to foster are killing us politically and economically. And with that, I think we're going to take our first break. When we come back, we were talking a little bit about sort of the consequences of the verdict. We're going to dive into the most recent polling after this. and all. Thank you for tuning in. If you're on a platform where this is a thing you can do, please hit the like button as we launch into our next topic. Some prominent members, the Democratic Party, appear to have made the calculation that Donald Trump being found guilty of 34 felonies is going to help Biden, maybe clinch the election for him. But is that

actually true? Well, we're going to dive into the most recent evidence. I know everybody is sifting through whatever they can to try to figure out what effect this will have on the the election and here's what we know from a recent Emerson College poll. So 27% of voters say that they're more likely to back Donald Trump after he was found guilty in his hush money trial in Manhattan. Now about a third say it makes him less likely. So 27% the ones who are more likely is the minority there. 40% say the conviction does not influence their decision at all. And I just want to stop there for a second. We have a whole lot more numbers we're gonna jump into and there's compelling stuff. There's some good news for Donald Trump. There's some good

news for Joe Biden. But I've been really dwelling on this more likely to vote for Trump as a result of him being found guilty thing. And I am questioning whether it means anything. Is there anyone who was not going to vote for Trump, but is now going to vote for Trump because he was found guilty of crimes that he definitely did? Or is this just people who literally cannot be be found in the wild without a red hat on, saying whatever they think is best for Trump. Waz, I want to start with you, what do you make of the more likely's? If you're more, like, meaning you love Trump more now than you did before, I have a feeling that you, you know, you think that you can run a child sex ring out of a pizza store.

Like, that's just generally my feeling about somebody who comes out of this more enthusiastic about their vote for Donald Trump. To me, you're just so far down the road, brother, there's just no coming back. So I can't, and we knew these people existed already, too. And so I can't be shocked by that number, John. Yeah. David, I want to add a little bit to that for you. So what I'm trying to figure out is the Trumpers say he's going to gain support.

And we know that he raised a lot of money. That could help him gain support. But do you think that not as a result of the money, just as a result of the money, just as a result of the verdict, this will actually help him in a measurable way. No, I don't think it'll help at all. I mean, if you look at that number 27%, 27% of all likely voters, that reflects, give or take, about the percentage of MAGA voters that are out there. And in the MAGA movement, among the Republicans who are MAGA, they have long said that Donald Trump deserves even more to be reelected, to be elected, because of what's being put on him,

because of the criminal charges. So this was just sort of validation for them. Of course, he's found guilty. And then the magabum is say, oh, now I'm more likely. But then look at the 30%. Well, maybe that's reflective of the percentage of Democrats who are out there who are like, yeah, you know, it makes me even less likely to like Donald Trump. The question is what happens in the middle? What happens with the moderate and independent voters in about half a dozen battleground states? Does this cause Donald Trump to, does it help him somehow? I don't think so. I mean, everything I've seen is that maybe he loses two or three percent or five percent of the moderate and independent voters because of the felony conviction. That's enough for him

to start losing states like Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania. Well, I'm glad that you bring up the independence because I want to turn to that now. I largely agree about those other two categories. The Democrats, the Republicans, I think there will be a few percentage points that will move. The independents, I think we should see more movement there. These are people who don't as closely associate, associate with a party, although classifying yourself as an independent doesn't always mean you're as independent as people think. There's a lot of mythology in America about that classification. But 21% say that the conviction makes them more likely, 38% say the news makes them less likely

to support the Republican ticket. So there the gap is pretty significant. The less liqueys are almost twice as high as the more likelies. I will say that so far in the swing state polling that I've seen over the last day, Trump is still leading in some swing states by, by four or five, six points in some. Others are tied. What I also wonder though is a lot of these polls are of all registered voters, which is obviously not the same as likely voters. And I wonder to what extent the effect you'd have from these convictions is not so much changing who a likely voter will vote for, but changing who will be a likely voter. And so when you have a poll that comes out of just registered voters, I wonder if that is really revealing all that much

about the final result of that. But here's the independent numbers, starting with you, what do you make of that? That looks a little bit more damaging to Trump. If you're a Biden supporter or somebody that's working in his campaign, you should definitely feel encouraged by this independent number because it feels like that's where the election is going to swing on those voters. But I would also say that this, like the reason why we don't see some huge bump or decrease, whichever side you're looking at this from for Donald Trump is that I don't think voters are stupid. And I think voters look at the charge, basically a rich guy paid somebody, paid a sex worker not to put his business on the

street. I just don't think this is an issue that would move voters. Now that situation in Arizona, the situation in Georgia where this guy was literally trying to cheat to steal the election, I think that would actually move the needle. If he was convicted and it was compelling evidence and you know these the phone evidence and stuff like that could be presented to the public that would be different but like I think voters are responding to something that they don't see as a huge issue cheating on your wife to most American voters just doesn't mean that much apparently even if it's with a prostitute yeah well a couple of things here first of all I mean the

moderate and independent voters I mean you know election experts will tell you that those are the least likely to actually go out and vote. I mean, those are the ones that take the most persuading to actually get them to put aside their apathy and go and make a choice between the two candidates. But here's where it helps President Biden, and that is even if you have moderate and independent voters who might have been inclined, maybe I'll participate, I'll go pull the, well, if they say, there's no way I can possibly pull the lever for a convicted felon, but I also don't like Joe Biden. He's told I'm going to stay at home. Well, in a way that still kind of helps Joe

Biden because it's one last Trump voter. And for all of the moderate independent voters who are just, I've kind of put off on Donald Trump, I just can't do this. I mean, there's still a significant of moderate and independent voters who will pull the lever for Joe Biden. So again, it's all at the margins. It's all perhaps a very small percentage, but I just can't see. And we've seen this over and over from Fox News and Newsmax that, oh, Donald Trump has certainly won the election now that he got convicted on the felony charges. No, he hasn't. I think he has lost because of this with one. Some caveat, I do think that if Donald Trump actually gets sentenced to a significant amount

of jail time, there will be, it'll be like pouring gasoline on the fire. And I think there could be such revulsion, even among people who are moderates and independents who say to Waz's point, he was just trying to cover up an affair. Okay, he cheated on his business records. It was a nonviolent crime. Who goes to jail for this sort of thing? If Donald Trump does go to jail, I think that could backfire on the Democrats and could energize a lot of people who are like, this is outrageous. Okay, well, I think that's interesting. I have a couple more facts, one of which bears on what you just said. So first of all, I'm just going to throw out this whole time now we've

been trying to track what effects the third party candidates will have and it seems like seemingly depends on the week. One week they hurt Trump, one week they hurt Joe Biden. This week they hurt Joe Biden actually. So the inclusion of RFK Jr. Jill Stein drops Trump support by 2% and Biden's by 7. So that's fun. But when you ask the voters what sentence he should get for the convictions, 40% say that he should serve time in prison, 25% think he should pay a fine, and 15% want him to suffer probation, although obviously he could receive a combination of those. Yeah, I agree that although I don't know exactly what

direction it would go, the convictions I think have broken through to a lot of people who don't necessarily pay a lot of attention to politics, But I think that a jail sentence would break through to more. But I, but I all, but again, I don't know exactly what effect that would have. And I definitely agree with you was that if it were one of the other cases, I think we might see a stronger effect. I mean, we had the two civil cases. I think that in a rational world, the fact that he was found guilty of sexually abusing Eugene Carolyn owed nearly a hundred million dollars should be the end of this. Super weird that most days go by and nobody even mentions it,

let alone the half billion dollars he owes from the business fraud, but okay, that's America. We have these other trials. We have January 6th and we have the classified documents and we have Georgia and potentially more coming. But the issue is that those three, which I think most people agree are more significant, have been effectively stymied by the conflicted judges that we have in the Supreme Court or Eileen Cannon or the appeals court in Georgia. Everybody focuses on how Judge Juan Mershan is being like really mean to Trump.

But those other three cases have been effectively shut down and most people don't think that we're gonna have a resolution on them, which is really too bad, I think. Any final thoughts about all this? Starting with you, David. I think we gotta give the voters some slack too, where they just might have Trump prosecution fatigue. There was impeachment one, impeachment two,

the Mueller report, this investigation, that thing, blah blah, blah, and nothing ever turned out, turned up anything, not that they didn't turn up anything. They didn't turn up anything in terms of consequences. In terms of here's the thing Donald Trump that was horrible, here's how we're coming down on him. If you're just a low information, I hate low information, but just somebody who's got a life that's such that you don't, you're not constantly living and dying with politics.

When you turn on your news, it's like, oh, Trump's being looked into that, that, that, that, and then ultimately, all you ever see is yeah, nothing, bupkus. I don't blame the voters for not being super dialed in and locked in anymore. Yeah, and the fatigue is only going to grow if Donald Trump goes to jail, because then, you know, the helicopter shots of them being sent off the president. I mean, it'll be over the top. I think, look, Democrats have what they need. Donald Trump is a convicted felon. The Democrats can drop billions of dollars in advertisements and end every ad with Donald Trump convicted felon.

Donald Trump actually going to Rikers, going to jail, which would be something different than 90% of the people who are convicted of falsifying business records don't get jail time if they're a first time offender. And people say, well, what about, you know, Michael Cohen and and Alan Weisselbrook, well, they were also, they were also convicted of perjury, making false statements, tax fraud. So Donald Trump, it's just the falsifying of business records. I think Democrats should take the victory. Donald Trump is a convicted felon, run the ads on it. It'll move the needle a little bit. Don't risk the needle swinging back the other way with more drama that exhaust people with the sort of exhaustion if Donald Trump actually goes to prison.

Yeah, I feel comfortable talking to this because obviously none of us on this call have any effect on the outcome of this. But you mentioned there, there were those extenuating circumstances for Weisselberg and Cohen. Do you think that in the case of Trump, the possible extenuating circumstances of the 10 willful violations of the gag order, as well as his complete lack of remorse, not just lack of remorse. He's literally going out afterward and calling the judge the devil and saying he literally crucified people. Is that extenuating circumstances? Yeah, I do think that is. I think that's the risk for Donald Trump and all this, is that I think normally he wouldn't get jail time, but because of the contempt,

because of he continues to flaunt, you know, the conviction. And he's not even, he didn't even want to meet, he didn't refuse to me with the probation officer, which he was supposed to do right after he was found guilty. And the probation officer is going to give a report to the court. Well, right now, they don't have anything report except Donald Trump hasn't shown up. So, but I still think that Judge Waner, Sean, while he was going through the contempt findings, those 10 citations, he said, I don't want to put you in jail. You're a former president of the United States. You're a nominee for President of the United States. I don't want to do it. And I still think that

Juan Mershant will not do it no matter how much Donald Trump insults him, no matter how crazy Donald Trump gets. Yeah, if I had to put my money on something, that's what I would put it on. But speaking of money and where it's going to be pit put, why don't we transition to our next story starting with this video? I'm out of bullets. I'm out of money. It's kind of like we're here by the body of Info Wars and it's on a respirator. And I'm telling you that. And people are like, oh, really? It's dead. Let's see it. Where is it? I'm okay. You're about to see it. Apparently he's right. We are about to see it because it's not necessarily going to die, but it could well be under new ownership soon. You see, Alex Jones has. has officially moved to liquidate his personal assets in order to pay off the massive more than $1 billion debt that he owes to the families of the victims of Sandy Hook, that he

hounded around the country with conspiracy theories and brigating them and all of that on Info Wars. Info Wars as a result of that might well not exist soon or at the very least might be owned by someone else. So we've been waiting about two years now for the families who are awarded $1.5 billion in emotional damage and defamation. This is by juries in both Connecticut and Texas to receive the money. And they've received thus far none of it. While he continues to live a lavish lifestyle with homes and planes and cars and all of that, he continues to make tons of money, but they've seen nothing. And prior to this week's announcement, he had resisted converting his personal bankruptcy into a Chapter 7 liquidation.

That has changed. A lot is seemingly changed for him financially, emotionally. Here he is sort of working through his current circumstances. I've had secret federal filings follow me that I'm committing crimes referred to the Justice Department, which of course wasn't true. We'd already followed it in federal court months before. They didn't even check to you. If you're going to frame somebody and lie about it on to a damn federal court, but the fucking know it's already filed in the damn court, you bastard. So you. And anybody else that tries to go on with your you want war, you've got it. We're gonna beat these people. I'll try to be dramatic here, but it's a bit of a hard fight. Look, as far as fake crying displays go,

that wasn't great. I would say Alex maybe get on the phone with Kyle Rittenhouse. He can give you some lessons. But anyway, it apparently is going to be liquidated. I don't have a schedule for it yet, but he might soon be under new ownership. David, what do you make of that? I'm glad. Look, I'm broadcasting to you 15 miles from Newtown, Connecticut. I mean, this is palpable, I know it's palpable over the country, but particularly here. And I would imagine that if Info Wars was actually sort of a grave and got buried, you'd have a significant significant number of people from this area of the country who would go and urinate on that grave. And I would gladly join them. That's how much I'm distested by Alex Jones and what he has.

has done. What he has done is despicable. And no amount of fate tears or apologies or woes me will ever, ever satisfy me. What he has done is beyond sick. Was. Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen the internet be weaponized in such a way to torment and horrified normal everyday people in the way that Alex Jones did. I think this is like kind of unprecedented. And then you add to the fact these are people who are grieving the tragic loss of loved ones who happen to be little kids. And that this guy sicked his audience on these folks and treated them like they were somehow the ones who were victimizing people and needed to be harassed. I'm just happy that these families hopefully can somehow be paid some restitution

because, you know, it was bad enough that they lost their loved ones. Having it compounded in this way where they're being harassed and bullied and people showing up to their jobs and houses and calling them up and all of the nonsense that ensued behind this. I just really hope they get, again, some level of restitution for all of the crap they've been through that just didn't need to be the case when they were going to do such a crazy tragedy already. 100%. Yeah. Who knows what we'll see what the schedule is and how much they get. If there's a Lord up above, John, I know you love the Lord, then those families will get what they deserve. I love, lords are great. Hopefully they'll do the right thing in this case. It's been a while since we've seen them do the right thing. But anyway, yeah, absolutely her right. Like you just imagine like, well, you cannot even imagine, I have a young child. I cannot imagine losing my child. And then that would feel. feel like the worst day of my life.

And then Alex Jones says, you know, hold my beer, like I'm going to make it worse. And bear in mind, it's not just like there's there's always going to be random conspiracists that are trying to track people down. Marjorie Green's going to follow, you know, kid survivors of mass shootings to Congress to, to, you know, stalk them and everything. He made in the three years after he started talking about this stuff from his shop, $165 million. He didn't just do this because he's won.

of the most evil conspiratorial dim-witted dumb donkey people on the planet. He did it to become fabulously wealthy. And I don't have faith that he will ever descend to the depths of poverty that he deserves. But as close as we can get into it, I consider that to be like the only moral outcome. Well, to be clear, the families are not in this for money. They don't care about the money. They simply care about Alex Jones being put out of business. They want him to be poor. They want him to stop broadcasting. Anything that gets Alex Jones closer to not existing as a broadcaster on internet or whatnot, that's what the families are looking for.

Yeah, I just can't imagine what's gonna stop it from like the new owner could bring him on as a contributor or he'll be brought on to Tucker Carlson's show and he'll like he can't stop him from getting an iPhone and live streaming his big dumb face to the internet. Hopefully his ability to make tons of money off of it reach as large of an audience as possible, that could be curtailed. But absent a judge saying you are literally barred from broadcasting yourself, this is all he has in his life. And I can't imagine him stopping until the moment he finally keels over and leaves us all in a bit of relative peace. Anyway, with that said, why don't we take our second break?

We come back, we get a couple other small but fun stories to end the hour with. And by the way, let me just say that I am sure there are people that are watching our coverage of the fall of info wars or whatever and they're like, yeah, well, someday it's going to come for you and you're going to fall apart. And yeah, probably the media is tough, man. We probably. We probably. will fall apart, but it'll be because of the inevitable death of media, not because we committed crimes left and right and made millions for it. I know the right would love for us to be shut down. And they're waiting for Papa Trump to do that. But like, we still have ethics. Like, we don't defame people. We don't send our audiences to hound people at their homes. We just don't do these things. So I apologize to the right. But if you want us to be shut down by like the coming fascist state, they're gonna have to change the law.

something because as it's currently constituted, we're probably not going to end up breaking it. In any event, why don't we talk about the news with the moments we have left, including this story, which is bananas. A police department in Vermont is apparently surprised at the poor reception that was given to a mock shooting that they ran for high school students. That's a weird sentence, I will grant you that, but let's walk through what was actually done. So according to the school district, there were about 20 Burlington High School students in a forensic program that as part of their year-end studies, visited the Burlington Police Department on Wednesday. So students tour the facility, they get to talk to

officials and things like that, and they see a presentation on how detectives solve crimes. Then two students who spoke to the media on condition of anonymity said that the class was facing the front of the room during this presentation, listening to a detective speak, When they heard screams from behind them, two women ran in, followed by a man wearing a ski mask, was holding a gun. Gunshots rang out, scared and confused because they thought they were about to die. Students dove to the ground to take cover and get off a last text message to their loved ones. One said, I'm shaking and crying because I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to get shot. It felt so real. Bear in mind that all of them have been raised in a time when they've seen

countless deadly school shootings and are probably terrified always about the possibility that happening. They only realized that it was all fake because they noticed that the cops in the room weren't doing anything to stop the shooter, which is either a strong clue that it's fake or it turns out you're in Uvaldi. But either way. So they eventually realized it and, you know, they were mad because the cops didn't tell people that it was going to happen. And they said that there might be some sort of demonstration of a crime, but they only told that to the officials. They never said it would be a surprise to the students. And they apparently didn't talk to the parents or the students about it either. This is such a horrible idea.

What do you think? Just ridiculous and insensitive. Again, considering the priming that we've done of young people, you know, these goddamn exercises where they just lockdown exercises, exercises where they do mock school shootings at school from, from like first grade on like the generation that's grown up in that reality that you would do something like this is just crazy to me. But, you know, the cops don't always think what they're doing through. I think we've learned that the hard way over the past decade plus or so. Did the police think that this was going to be somehow funny that they by pulling a sort of joke on the kids? Look at what we did, ha ha, we fooled you. I mean, that's insane. And the cops job everywhere is to protect and serve. How do you protect and how do you serve teenagers that you're trying to teach about detective work by scaring the bejesus out of them?

Perhaps giving some of them PTSD and making this an experience that they will that will horrify them for the rest of their life. Whether it was real or not, for that instant, they thought it was real. And so the psychological impact is there. I mean, these people, these students have lost faith in police. now. Good job Burlington Police Department. You've just created some more enemies. Way to go. Yeah, it was it was an efficient way to teach them about how the cops sometimes unfortunately act. And in terms of those fears, about 57% of teens in one poll said they're worried about the possibility of a shooting happened at their school. One in four say they're very worried,

and an even higher percentage of parents say they're worried about a shooting happening at their school. And by the way, I think earlier I said that the cops didn't tell the kids or the teachers. Apparently the school didn't either. I mean this is just like how could you possibly think this was a good idea. Now they're they've put out a statement apologizing the police did and they're going to have this meeting with the high school and staff to discuss this and I am sure that literally every person at that meeting is going to be constantly looking over their shoulder or when someone burst through the door in any event. We're running low on time and I want to make sure that we get to our last story which is a bizarre one but I want both your takes on it. So whenever we're

good to go, why don't we jump into this? Heading into another election, so have you made a decision about who are you going to support? I'm not sure how to answer that, the question, to be honest with you. Have you made a decision? I haven't. What do you see as the significance of African American men in this election for both of you? I see them identifying with Trump.

Why do you say that? Because they got RICO charges. So, well, this enjoys that. So that was 50 cent. Real name Kurt. Curtis Jackson on what he thinks about the election and he references that black men identify with Donald Trump for a thousand obvious reasons. We all understand. But also because of RICO charges, which does not seem to be a reference to the recent convictions in New York. It seems to be, I guess, a reference to the Georgia election interference case, where he is charged with violating Georgia's racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act. That was enacted back in the 70s to tackle organized crime and to target leaders of mobs. The plot, to overturn the results of the election, George is considered to be one of these sorts of criminal conspiracies. That's why it's being prosecuted under that. I don't know how many voters of any

stripe, let alone black voters, have been brought up on Rico charges. So I can't say that he's right or wrong. Was, what do you make of that? I think he was being, I've been a fan of 50 cent basically for over 20 years now. I've followed his career pretty closely. I've watched hours of 50 Cent interviews, obviously listen to a ton of his music. I follow him on social media. He was saying that a bit tongue in cheek. I don't think he was being literal about that. And he's media savvy enough to understand it. Like, yo, I'm not who y'all should be asking about the black vote. But if y'all going to ask me, I'm going to give you an answer that tickles me. That's what I think was happening right there. And also, you got to remember,

50 cent is a rapper and there's a decent amount of rappers have been convicted or brought up on RICO charges within the past few years. So I think he's making reference to that too. Okay, that's true. Although to be clear, he has not yet been charged with trying to overturn the results of any elections, David. I agree with Woz. I think he was yanking the chain of the CBS reporter who was doing that interview. And the reason I think it was he was yanking the chain or tongue in cheek is because he also posted a photograph of him with Lauren Boulbert, Loriborba was kind of flirty and sent a response. Like, I was so nice to meet you. And then the internet went wild. And in 50 cents response to that, he says, well, I photographs with a lot of

people and I don't have chlamydia as if suggesting that she has chlamydia. And because he doesn't have clemenia, that means they could not have had this romantic rendezvous when he was on Capitol Hill. Or was he saying he doesn't have an STD and therefore he wants to have a date with Lormore because that's a only standard. I mean, either way, I think he is very much tongue and cheek and playing around with the media and it worked. Yeah, yeah, look, I agree. I think that there's definitely an element of that.

The thing that makes it stand out to me, though, is the way he would choose to sort of needle the media or play around is to effectively say what Trump and his surrogates say will be the effect of him being found guilty. Like, that's what Trump says. His son goes out and says, I think it was Eric was like, oh, no, he's going to get a Yeah, you know, they're all criminals. They're going to love this guy. I mean, my God. But so that, that was funny. And I agree, the photo with Lauren Bober is interesting. He went on to say, I took photos with everyone, which, look, he did take photos with a lot of people. It was not just Lauren Boeber. Pelosi was in there? Yeah, Pelosi. But then he says, what did she do in a dark theater that hasn't been done? My God. Hey, I don't have committee, by the way, L-O-L. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't know if I think maybe that's like a nag against her like maybe she's going to want to prove herself to him. But there was the hand job thing in the theater though, no, or something

happened in the theater with her. I I there there are allegations of things. This is a family program. So I can't describe the things that Congresswoman said to have done that's we remember he's responding he's responding to the internet going wild suggesting oh wow 50 cent must have had a rendezvous with Lauren Bolber, look how flirt do they are. They got together. And this is his way it's saying, no, I didn't get together. I had pictures with everybody and I don't have chlamydia. What? Yeah, and while he's having fun, I will, I will thrust myself into the position of being Buzz Killington. It's like she posed with him, like implying that that means that she hooked up with him. It's, you know, I don't think that's acceptable. Like, would we,

would we think that that was acceptable if he was taking a photo with Rashida Khalib? Scalise, I know exactly like. With 50, nobody was like, oh, I wonder if you gave him a handy. Yeah, you know, I sent, I sent that tweet, but nobody liked it. Anyway, yeah, like if we, you know, if it was with Rashida Talib and people were making the jokes, we wouldn't like it. I don't like Lauren Bowman, I disagree with her, but she's still a congresswoman technically for now anyway, and deserves the same level of respect as every other elected official, which is not much. know something about her that we don't just saying I don't know in any event I just really

really fast mention we have two minutes okay so a lot of people are curious about what he has to say because everybody's trying to figure out what's going to happen with black voters in this election because everybody's like oh my god Trump is going to clean up amongst black voters even though when you look at historically the vote share it seems like he's just kind of returning to what Republicans were doing in terms of black voters before Obama but anyway it would still hurt Biden so it's fair to bring it up so the Biden campaign is working to to get black voters to like them a little bit more. They've got this black voters for Biden Harris initiative.

They're putting out these ads and things. Meanwhile, the Trump campaign is trying to extend outreach to black voters by enlisting Senator Tim Scott to spearhead the effort. Just Tim, just send him out. And I guess I guess you're good. Anyway, as of right now, Biden is leading Trump among black voters in a New York Times, Santa College and Philadelphia Inquirer Poll, 63 to 23, which is still a higher percentage showing for Trump. than you might expect. I don't know if 50 cent is a part of that.

He's not going on record as to who he supports. Although he did support Trump a little bit sometimes in 2020, remains to be seen how he'll come down in this election. And that is all the time we have unfortunately. As always guys, pleasure to have you here. Was, where can people see your work? Ringer.com. The NBA finals are raging right now.

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