The Young Turks - MAGA Meltdown - June 6, 2025

Episode Date: June 7, 2025

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Well, the Young Turks, Jake, you can share and read with you guys. Sharon's, of course, on Rebel HQ. Whoa, Nelly. Well, yeah, look at that civil war that just started. Wow, what a show we got for you guys.

What's that, Sharon? Sorry, Jack, it escalated quickly. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Elon Musk versus Donald Trump MAGA Civil War. Woo, as my grandma used to say. Okay, so guys, here's how we're going to do this. So, well, actually, let me explain it after we show you this. Look, Elon and I had a great relationship. I don't know if it will anymore. I was surprised because you were here. Everybody in this room practically was here as we had a wonderful send-off. He said wonderful things about me. You couldn't have nicer said the best thing.

He's worn the hat. Trump was right about everything. And I am right about the great big, beautiful bill. I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot. Oh, damn! Civil War has begun within Maga Donald Trump versus Elon Musk. Here's what we're going to do, guys.

We're going to cover blow by blow. We're going to show you every stem. of the way, what did Elon say? What did Elon say? And we're gonna pause and tell you who's right and wrong. Because on some of these comments, some of them, both of them, are very right and very wrong. So it is really interesting. This is the mother of all battles within MAGA. Who's gonna win? I have no idea. Okay, I know who's right and wrong on the different issues. I don't know who's gonna win. And I'm overall, at the end of all of it, who is more correct? That is what we're asking on tyt.com, Donald Trump or Elon Musk. And on that one, I'm not

positive yet either. Let's go through the whole list and then decide at the end. So Sharon is of course gonna help me do this. Sharon, what's up first? How did this get triggered? Well, we'll start from the beginning. Jank Trump made it official today, Republican couple. That was Elon Musk, President Donald Trump. So in love at one point, they are no more. They're done. Right now, They're both taking turns trashing each other publicly on social media platforms, the ones that they each own, of course. And by the way, the Epstein files are involved in this.

So we'll go there, Jank. Before we get into more details, because it does get even spicier. I mean, great hype man you are, Jank. Did you expect, I guess the first question, and then we'll get into right and wrong, the breakup to end. Did you expect it to be so quick? this demise of a relationship. Yeah, so I thought that given how strong both of their personalities are and how they both

want to be alpha dogs, that a collision, I wouldn't say it was imminent, but very likely, right? Did I think it would happen this quickly? No, no. This is a little bit stunning what has happened. The fact that it has devolved to the point where Musk is throwing out charges about about that, about Trump being on Epstein files, whoa, okay, I mean, this got real. So, okay, but it started with the budget, and Elon was mad about it for some reason. So let's explain that. Yeah, so sitting alongside the chancellor of Germany earlier today, President Donald Trump was asked about Elon's recent criticisms of the big, beautiful bill.

And so that's what you're hearing in that first clip. As a refresher, though, during a recent CBS interview, Musk expressed his disappointment with the bill, following it up a few days later with this post on X. I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it.

You know you did wrong. He goes on to say, you know it. Now, of course, the president, Donald Trump, obviously doesn't take criticism well, made his dissatisfaction with the Tesla CEO clear during the press engagement, accusing him of self-interest being butt hurt. And this is what this thing devolved into. What he didn't get his way, listen. I've always liked Elon, and I was very surprised. You saw the words he had for me, the words. And he hasn't said anything about me that's bad.

I'd rather have him criticize me than the bill, because the bill, is incredible. We are doing things in that bill that are unbelievable. And when you look at what we're doing for small businesses, for people, for middle income people, all of the things that we're doing, nobody's ever seen anything like it. And, you know, Elon's upset because we took the EV mandate, and, you know, which was a lot of money for electric vehicles. And, you know, they having a hard time the electric vehicles. And they want us to pay billions of dollars in so. subsidy. And you know, I, Elon knew this from the beginning. He knew it for a long time ago. That's been in there. That's been, I would say, JD, that hasn't changed. That's been right from the beginning. Mr. I think Mr. Secretary, that hasn't changed at all right from the beginning. All right, Jenks. So Elon was quick to dispute that. We'll get to that. But do you want to weigh in now about the president? Yeah, absolutely. So let I'm gonna score one for each side here. So when Elon Musk says this

This bill's an abomination and it's going to add trillions to the deficit, that is correct. The Congressional Budget Office says that it will add at least $2.4 trillion to the deficit. Why? Even though it has $1.2 trillion in cuts to Medicaid and to SNAP, which hurts, of course, lower income Americans. It has $3.6 trillion in tax cuts, the majority of which go to the very, very wealthy. So since they wanna give this giant gift of $3.6 trillion in tax cuts. And yes, it's true that there is also for the moment being, and we're gonna come back to

this a little bit later, tax cuts for tips and overtime as well, okay? But overall, the tax cuts make this so significant that yes, it's gonna blow a huge hole in the deficit and the debt. So score one for Ilana, that is correct, okay? Whether he wants the tax cuts is a different question, what he actually wants is a different question, but technically on those facts, he's definitely correct. Okay, now Trump says, well, look, he wanted the electric vehicle mandate and we took it out of that.

Do I believe that Elon wanted the electric vehicle mandate? Yes, I definitely believe that. That obviously affects his company, and later he complained about others getting subsidies, right? Why are we not getting subsidies for electric vehicles, oil and gas are getting? We'll get to that, right? But is Trump right that Elon probably was upset about that? Yes, is it right to give subsidies to those electric vehicles?

Look, the right and the left are both mixed on that. The left wanted the subsidies in the first place, but now it's going to Tesla, so they caught feelings over that. To me, the correct answer is take out almost all the subsidies that go to giant corporations. Why is the average American taxpayer funding the most successful? largest, richest companies in the world, they don't need our money. So I would score that one for Donald Trump. So so far we got a one-one tie.

All right, what's next, Chair? All right, so they're tied up. Just want to get Elon's response to some of what Donald Trump said there, false. This bill was never shown to me once. It was passed in the dead of night. So fast that almost no one in Congress could even read it. We know that's kind of true because Marjorie Taylor Green has admitted that she did not read the bill, the bill, at least most of it. Trump continued, though. Also claiming Elon Musk was but heard

about Trump vetoing his pick for NASA head. He wanted and rightfully, you know, he recommended somebody from that he, I guess, knew very well. I'm sure he respected him, but to run NASA. And I didn't think it was appropriate. And he happened to be a Democrat, like totally Democrat. And I say, you know, look, we won. We get certain privilege. And one of the privileges, we don't have to appoint a Democrat. NASA is very important. We have great people. General Kane is going to be picking somebody with our, we'll be, we'll be checking him out and seeing, but he wanted that person, a certain person. And we said no. And, you know, I can understand why he's upset.

I'm doing some more explaining there, Jank. So Elon was dismissive of that, too. He then posted a series of old comments from the president. But first, way in there about NASA head. Is that what this is about? Yeah, so here again, we've got a split decision. So Elon is right that the bill came out and then they said vote on it right away afterwards. Marjorie Taylor Green kind of hilariously said, well, oops, I didn't get a chance to read it. And there was a provision I really didn't like in there.

I gave her credit yesterday on the show for at least being honest about it. But she should have read the bill. So anyways, overall, did Elon know that they were going to cut? his subsidies, he probably knew, even if he didn't read the bill. That one is already a split decision, but I'll give it to Elon because it's true that the bill came out so late that almost nobody could read it in time. The lobbies make these decisions for the politicians anyway. On the other hand, is it true that Trump would not give Elon the person he wanted as the head

of NASA? Yes, that's true. And was Elon probably upset about it? Almost certainly, and he wants NASA to do more deals with SpaceX, that's going to be a little relevant later in some of the exchanges. And so, and since Trump is not doing a favor to a donor, whether it's the subsidies or giving him the NASA head, that one's a little, I'm going to technically score it on the card here as one for each, but that one weighs heavily more in favor of Trump.

By the way, if you're on the right and you think, oh, okay, good, he's saying Trump is right or Elon is right depending on the issue, if you're on the left and you're saying, oh, I don't like you saying that either one of them is right. Well, one of them has to be right. So if it makes you feel better, you could just think, oh, Elon is wrong on that one and Trump is wrong on the other one. But either way, it comes out to the same conclusion. All right, let's go to the next route.

All right, so they're still tied up. Now to the old material, the historical context, we'll call it, that Elon was giving on X. Put it up. I couldn't agree more as he pulls up old statements from Donald Trump. Trump talking about no member of Congress should be eligible for reelection if our country's budget is not balanced. So that's got a sting in light of the big beautiful bill. Remember this one? Real Donald Trump breaking. Trump just went to bat for Elon Musk outside the White House while examining the Tesla's. So Elon taking a trip down a memory lame, but

he was pissed, make no mistake about it, okay? Whatever, keep the EV solar incentive cuts in the bill, even though no oil and gas subsidies are touched, very unfair, but ditch the mountain of disgusting pork in the bill. In the entire history of civilization there was never, there's never been legislation that both big and beautiful. Everyone knows this. Either you get a big and ugly bill or a slim and beautiful bill. Slim and beautiful is the way. They're talking about bills, politics, policy. not something else. But go ahead, weigh in on that, Jank.

Elon, furious. And so this goes on and on. This one is a relatively clean win for Elon. So first he mentions, hey, you know, you said that if you can't balance the budget, you shouldn't be reelected, shouldn't be president. Well, Trump did say that. And Trump has never balanced the budget.

He had a whole first term. He put over $8 trillion on the deficit, on the debt. And it's more than any other president in American. in history and he only did that in four years. Now this would add, as we told you earlier, $2.4 trillion to the debt. Now, I don't know that Elon wants the real answer. The real answer is stop giving away all the money to the rich. Here, I'll give you one quick fact about that. People making over $500,000 a year are going to get a $1.7 trillion tax cut. Just those guys. Do they really need an extra 1.7 trillion dollars? Okay, that's what's causing the

problem with the debt. I don't know if Elon's willing to acknowledge that, but on the facts, he is right. This doesn't come anywhere near close, uh, balancing the budget and it never will. This bill has a 0% chance of being balanced. No chance at all. Write it down in stone, I absolutely guarantee it, okay? So now, but on the, but the bigger win for Elon here is when he's pointing out oil and gas subsidies. So, and this is why I love this fight, Sharon, because they're accidentally or on purpose just because they're fighting, exposing all of the dirty laundry of both sides. I mean, this is, this much tea hasn't been spilled since the Boston Tea Party, okay?

And so here, Elon is pointing out oil and gas subsidies. You guys know that that's about 30 billion a year, we've been giving subsidies to of oil companies for nearly a hundred years straight. They're among the most profitable companies, not only now, but in the history of the world. And John and Jane Doe have to take out money from their paychecks and set it to ExxonMobil. For what? And they're not a new industry. They don't need a leg up to be able to compete.

No, we give them all of these subsidies for no reason. It's a giant robbery. So on this one, clear win for Elon, so he goes up three to. On July 18th, get excited. This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited.

Sorry! Smurfs. Only dinner's July 18. All right, so three, two, corporate welfare. Wow, things got even nastier, though. Yeah, they did. During the same press gaggle, Trump decided to downplay must roll in his election win. Listen, we've done a great job.

Elon knew that. Elon endorsed me very strongly. He actually went up in campaign for me. I think I would have won, Susie would say I would have won Pennsylvania easily anyway, even if the governor ran, the real governor, not the governor from Minnesota, who's, I mean, he's a sick puppy, that guy, that poor guy feels sorry for him. A little diversion there to the governor of Minnesota. Elon though, Trump claimed that he was suffering from Trump derangement syndrome. So let's

listen to that. I'll tell you, it's not, he's not the first. People leave my administration, and they love us and then at some point they miss it so badly and some of them embrace it and some of them actually become hostile i don't know what it is it's sort of trump derangement syndrome i guess they call it but i we have it with others too they leave and they wake up in the morning and the glamour's gone the whole world is different and they become hostile i don't know what it is someday you'll write a book about it you'll let us know Like he's talking about Elon, like he dismissed his side piece. Way in on this.

Yeah, so this one's complicated because on the one hand, he says that, you know, people leave and then they get Trump derangements in. No, they leave with their hair on fire usually because they're like, oh my God, I didn't know he was that crazy, right? That's usually the number one reaction. People go in super right wing, wanna support Trump, and they think, oh man, this guy's got to figure it out, this is going to be great. They go in there like, wait, you don't read anything. You don't know, we can't, all you do is watch Fox News and play golf. And you're gonna do 145% tariff, you can't sell anything at 145% there. You're gonna knock it down to 50% it doesn't matter. We can't sell anything at 50% tariff. So like if you're gonna do tariff,

make it targeted specific, long term, et cetera, no, he won't listen to any reason. So that's why everybody leaves, frustrated at some point, like, ah, this knuckle it. On the other hand, is that what happened with Elon? I don't really think so. I think Elon is a different case. I think Elon didn't get some of the things goodies that he wanted, and that's part of what's caused this problem in the first place. A quick side note on his, Trump's attack on Tim Walz. Okay, that guy got done so dirty, Tim Walz did, mainly by Kamala Harris, who largely kept him in a basement. He's actually a populace and got a lot of good bills to pass for the average person in Minnesota. We have a shirt at shop t.y.t.com called balls to the walls, which both Elon

and Trump might want to buy now based on this balls of the walls fight. But anyway, I like Tim Walls, I don't agree with Trump on that, but that's a side note. And so, but one of the main points here that he's making is I would have won without Elon. And I think he would have won without Elon. So I got a split decision against Trump on this one, both for and against them. So I'm just going to say that one is neutral. So let's go to the next one. All right. So then Elon's still up three, two. Is that right, Jen? Okay. I thought you would have maybe docked Trump a little bit, shave something off of the score for some of that. But okay. Elon, furious, beyond. So here's what he put up on his platform X. Without me,

Trump would have lost the election. Dems would control the House. And the Republicans would be 51, 149 in the Senate. Such ingratitude. So remember, Elon did donate $288 million. You'd be thankful for that, 2024 election. And America PAC, which Elon helped form, that was huge, most prominent, get out the vote campaign for Trump. And now Elon is seemingly suggesting a full split from Trump. So let's put it up. Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle. Okay, so these are fight words. But of course, Trump is going to have the last laugh and prove he will always have power over Elon. So let's put up truth social. The easiest way to save money in our budget billions and billions of dollars is to terminate Elon's governmental

subsidies and contracts. Oh, MD. I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. Okay. Is he or because Elon dropped this bombshell? Time to drop the really big bomb at real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT. I don't know if we should pause there and keep going. I mean, this is beyond hostile at this point. But we'll give you a little more.

We'll give you a little more. Somehow it gets even messier because Elon called for Trump to be impeached. He's been through that before. Responding to Ian Miles Chong on X, he says, yes, Trump should be impeached and J.D. Van should replace him. That was the tweet from Ian. Elon hasn't stopped tweeting about this since Trump made those initial comments this morning, but some other things worth noting he said include this. In light of the president's statement about cancellation of my government contracts,

SpaceX will begin decommissioning its dragon spacecraft immediately. Okay, that's gonna have some implications for some. Back and forth, the Trump tariffs will cause a recession in the second half of this year. Oh my goodness, this is a marathon. Clash has also caused both Elon and Trump and their market prices to drop drastically. Shares of Trump media and technology group dropped 8%. Trump coin down 12%. Tesla shares dropped 14%. Losing 152.4 billion in market value, the stock's biggest one day slide on record.

Can they even afford to keep going? You know, if they keep going at this pace, right, using the biggest weapons they have against each other, Who loses first and will they both destroy each other like a nuclear bomb? You know what this feels like? This feels like that a gas station fight in Zoolander where they were spraying the gas all over each other and they light something and then right? Hi. Yeah, that's kind, we've got a Zoolander situation on our hands here.

So okay, now there's a lot to break down, so let me take it one by one as quickly as I can. So number one, Trump, Elon is saying, I gave you basically $300 million. He didn't mention the number, but I gave you so much. And this is great in gratitude. And you wouldn't have won without me. I think Trump would have won without him, although it would have been harder, of course. The money definitely helped and the publicity and all that helped. So did Elon help?

Yes. Could Trump have won without him? Very likely, he won the popular vote. He won all seven swing states. But most importantly, no, as a big donor, you don't get to say, show me gratitude, give me subsidies, give me the head of NASA, give me whatever I want. It doesn't work that way. Like I backed Bernie Sanders and I didn't expect anything in return. I backed him because I liked him and I thought he was the best candidate and had the best policies and the best chance of implementing them.

So saying that he's ungrateful for all of his campaign donations, which I basically consider bribery at large, is not the wind that Elon thinks it is. I'm scoring that one for Trump or mainly against Elon. So there is three three. Then he calls for Trump's impeachment. Look, I voted against Trump. I think some of his constitutional actions are or unconstitutional actions are terrible. Sure, have added Haas, but they're not going to do impeachment.

So since it's just like it's just a shot fired, but there's no right or wrong there in terms of, It's not like it's gonna happen, but I'm not counting that against Elon. That's just a random insults, nothing to score really, in my opinion. Then Trump says we should terminate all of Elon's contracts and subsidies. Well, we already have a website for that. It's called where's our cut.com because we say, look, if contracts are one thing. And so when Elon complains about, hey, I got a government contract with Dragon spacecraft to go to the international space station, that's true and that he's providing a service.

But when it comes to the subsidies, again, I don't know why we're giving ExxonMobil, and I don't know why we're giving to Tesla or SpaceX or anyone else. So I'm not sure if SpaceX is getting subsidies, but on where's our cut.com, we actually have those facts for you guys. You can look up each Elon company, and we'll put the link down below later in the description box as well. And so I have a simple answer to that. Yeah, cut all the subsidies. Stop making the average American pay money to the largest companies in the world.

And if we're going to do that, the reason why it's called, Where's Our Cut is, well, okay, then if I'm investing into your company as an American taxpayer, where's my cut? Give me a portion of Tesla. Give me a portion of Starlink. Give me a portion of SpaceX. Give me a portion of Exxon Mobil and Chevron. Then we could all be rich. Oh, you don't want to give.

You only want to take. I score that one for Trump or basically against Elon. No, you don't get to have subsidies just because you're a donor. And so then we go to the Dragon Space spacecraft. Well, look, Elon's got every right to say, I'm not providing that service anymore. And now how are you gonna get to the International Space Station? And I don't know what the answer to that is because look, there's so many things in our government that's a disaster and we can't get them to work. So I don't know that that's a win for Elon though.

I mean, there's a reason why the stock price went down. I mean, that was Tesla, but it's affecting all of his companies to the best that I could see. And Tesla loses $142 billion, so it's hard to give Elon the win on that. Yes, he's technically correct. He can stop that, and it would hurt America's ability to the Space Station, but it's also hurting his own company. So I'm going to call that one a tie. And then on Epstein, oh, gigantic win for Elon on that one. So, I mean, there's things that people just don't say in public, even though they're super obvious.

Trump met with Epstein at least seven times, was on his jet, I should say, at least seven times, met with him dozens and dozens of times, has tons of pictures with him, said, oh, the only person who likes a party harder than me is Jeffrey Epstein, and he likes him young. So yeah, yeah, that might be a reason why they're not releasing the Epstein files. I think there's another reason why they're not releasing the Epstein files. Neither the Democrats or the Republicans ever released those files. There's only one lobby strong enough to make sure that neither party releases those files. If Elon Musk goes in that direction, ho nelly, because that's a whole level, different level of nuclear, right? So he hasn't done that yet, but he hit Trump on the Epstein files. And it's true that Epstein files have not been released. And Donald Trump was good friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

Major win for Elon there. We're tied at 4-4, leaving maybe this is our last one, the recession. So is Elon right that Trump's reckless tariffs will likely cause some sort of economic, significant economic downturn and potentially a recession in the second half of this year? Yes, I think that is likely to very likely. So that puts Elon at five and Trump at four. Do we have any others, Sharon? That's, look, we can keep checking the various social media channels because I'm sure they're still at it right now, and we're monitoring it. But can I just ask you, you know, this is fun scoring it as this like heavyweight bout with real implications, but my mind's going in some dark places.

Trump is reckless with information, with secrets. Elon was around in some key places, just carte blanche walking through the White House. I mean, what else can he do here? He has all of our secrets. I mean, he could release more. He could do more. And then I guess the second question I have for you is, is anything dead 100%. I mean, little Marco Rubio is in the administration. J.D. Vance called Trump Hitler. And look now, it's his VP. They're back in love. Do you see any kind of reconciliation possible in the near future? Yeah. So that's a great point. So we should definitely end on those two things. Number one, can there be a reconciliation? Look, this is super ugly, right? Once you get to Epstein, it's hard to come back from Epstein, right? Calling for his impeachment. I mean, it's saying I'm going to end all of his contracts and subsidies. This is as ugly as it gets. But Trump is a legendary flip flopper. Nobody flip flops like Donald Trump. I'm going to do 10% tax. No, 145%. Nope, 50%, no 30%, back to 10%. Wait, we're pausing it, no percent. I mean, it goes on and I'm on and on non-stop, that's the whole taco thing, right? So it isn't Tuesday, but I guess it's

Taco Thursday. So could they go back to, you know, getting along? Well, they could get to an unsteady truce and they probably will at some point. I mean, is this really going to go on for three and a half years where they're just bludding each other day in, day out? That would be awesome, okay? But, but, you know, I don't know that we're gonna get that lucky. So it's hard to tell here, because this is as brutal and bloody a fight as I have ever seen in politics. On the other hand, Trump is the biggest flip-flopper in politics and often changes his position. And then, and that's how he thinks you make a deal. You do super heavy-handed insults and attacks, and then you reach a deal, and then you go back to hugs and kisses. So because of Trump,

It's not impossible that they could actually get back together. Elon not known so much for that, more digging in is what he's known for. But they both have huge outsized personnel. So that's super interesting. The second thing that you mentioned is the most important of all is the budget itself. Are they actually going to pass the budget? What are they going to do with the budget? So I know what Trump wants.

Trump doesn't care about the debt or the deficit at all. 1%, I mean, he's proven as spectacularly in two different terms. When there's an opportunity to add trillions and trillions to the debt, Trump always takes that opportunity, right? And for Elon, my guess is he loves those tax cuts and Rand Paul is in his camp. And Rand Paul has said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're keeping the tax cuts for the rich.

That's the most important part. He's like, if a guy could just vote for that, I'd vote for it tomorrow. Brother, that would mean that instead of adding 2.4 trillion to the debt, you added 3.6 trillion to the debt. How does that make it any better? It makes it actually worse if you voted on just the tax cuts. So my guess is Elon wants the tax cuts, but he wanted his subsidies. And even if you cut a bunch of subsidies and cut, like here's the thing that's so frustrating, Sharon. And again, not only does Republicans not talk about it, but Democrats don't talk about it enough.

And the media almost never talks about it. Why is everybody just cutting for Medicaid and SNAP, et cetera? So if you're MAGA and you say, well, I want to cut from Medicaid and I want there to be a work requirement. Okay, but why don't you want to cut all of the corporate subsidies? The corporate subsidies are never mentioned. That's the hidden gem inside this fight that both sides are now finally talking about, oh, right, where all of the waste, fraud, and abuse are is the corporate subsidies. Oh, donors give money to Trump and Biden, and then they get billions in returns.

And sometimes hundreds of billions in return, right? That's where the great American robbery is. So are they going to take out the corporate subsidies? I have it at nearly a 0% chance. Because the rich and powerful want their tax cuts and they want their subsidies, what they'll probably do is cut more from the average person. Now there's a Republican senator talking about cutting from Medicare too. So they might cut more from the average guy.

They may take out one of the tax cuts for the average person, like either on tips or overtime, but they're never going to touch the rich and they're never going to touch corporations. So my guess is, yes, this bill will pass. Yes, it'll get worse, not better. And yes, it will add a massive amount to the deficit and the debt. And then finally, Sharon, of course it has to be noted for the record that interesting that they were both keeping this dirty laundry secret when, oh, Trump, oh, I'll say anything, Elon, I'll say anything. Well, which they did prove today to be fair, right?

But back when they were together and they were allies, they were planning that robbery together. So there was no talk of Epstein, there was no talk of Elon subsidies, there was no talk of any of that stuff, and all of a sudden they fight, and we find out they had put in a lot of subsidies for Elon, and now he might take out those subsidies and government contracts. And some had already been taken out, to be fair to Trump, like the electric vehicle one. And we find out that Elon knew about Trump being in the Epstein files all along and didn't say anything. And apparently didn't mind as long as he was making money with Trump.

It was crazy. Okay, they need that. Who's that Hollywood lawyer that the stars get diso queen? What's her name, Laura Wasserman Schultz? That one of them needs to like bring her on because this is. bananas, it's bananas. Take a quick social break, shall we, Jank, and then regroup? Yes, and when we come back, we'll look at who won the poll, who is more correct here, Donald Trump or Elon Musk in Maga Civil War 2025. We'll be back.

Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes iced coffee and delivery. quote, Trump will always screw over his creditors jank two days ago. Thank you for pointing that out. Yes, this is Trump screwing over one of his creditors in a sense. Gary Donah who warns whatever Godzilla and King Kong tried to kill each other, they destroyed Tokyo in the process. That's a good warning, right? Let's hope that doesn't happen in this case.

I just hope they destroy each other's nonsense talking points. And you get to begin to find out what the truth is on the budget. the EPC files and everything else. And then shiny 984, a member on Twitch said, true love is dead. So a fun way to bring in Pride Month. Anyway, all right. Sharon, what's next? I predict, though, Jenk, that if the two of them get into it,

they'll be distracted and maybe a coup could take place. Who knows? If there's a window, if there's a window. Political persecution, watch this. Watch this. Your predecessor dismissed your auto pen investigation. He said he made all the decisions during his presidency. I'm curious a reaction to his dismissal.

Well, look, the auto pen, I think, is the big scandal outside of the rigged election of 2020. I think the biggest scandal of the last many years is the auto pen. Look, he was never for open borders. He was never for transgender for everybody. He was never for men playing in women's sports. I mean, he changed, I mean, all of these things that changed so radically. I don't think he had any idea.

The auto pen, the auto pen. Yesterday, President Donald Trump ordered his administration to investigate what he is calling the auto pen scandal. Trump is claiming that during Joe Biden's presidency, Biden was not the one making decisions. Instead, other members of his administration were. They were creating policies using an auto pen machine to put Biden's signature on them. They make it seem like he was just propped up there and they were doing all the work, maybe. A lot to discuss with the story. We'll get into the details in a moment.

But Jenk, do you think Donald Trump has a leg to stand on here? Yes, I think he does, actually. So it's a mixed bag, he always goes too far, right? So has Donald Trump used the auto pen before as well? Yes, so it's like using the auto pen doesn't immediately mean that the world exploded and the president's not really the president, right? Did Joe Biden use it more? Yes. Did he seem to use it for some important things that he probably should have signed himself? Yes. Should he be arrested for that? No. No. Okay. Like don't, there's no need to get carried away. There's no need to. Everybody's always threatening and arrests. Now Steve Bannon is saying that Elon must be arrested or deported. We'll get to that story later in the show. It's breaking news as we're speaking right now. So stop arresting every. one, right? Okay, but if you want to investigate which ones were signed by Autopenn and did Joe Biden really sign off on those, that could be a legitimate investigation. Because,

I mean, here on the Young Turks, we were asking while Biden was president, who's really making these decisions? Because he's, at times, looked like he was totally and utterly out of it. So our theory was that Anthony Blinken was running foreign policy. And that honestly, his wife, Jill Biden, was running a lot of domestic policy. And we're not just saying that it's based on reporting for mainstream media outlets on different things that gave us that sense. Like for example, Jill Biden would sit in on interviews for cabinet members. I've never heard of a wife of a president doing that. Why is she helping to pick the cabinet?

That was extraordinary, and there's many other examples like that. And Blinken seemed firmly in charge of foreign policy. So were they checking with the president? I hope so. I hope so. Was the president making cognizant decisions? Well, you saw him at the debate. Did he seem cognizant in the debate?

I don't know about that, right? So I don't think it's nothing, Sharon. I also don't, like, we don't need to go nuclear either. Let's just figure out what happened. And let's make sure, to the best of our abilities that the president But again, one more thing, Sharon, like, was Ronald Reagan charged at the end of his presidency? Do they check with the president on all these things? I don't get that sense at all. I think the bureaucracy runs a lot of the government. Wow, wake up call. Let's get to this memo.

Trump wrote to the Department of Justice. In recent months, it has become increasingly apparent the former President Biden's aides abused the power of presidential signatures through the use of an auto pen to conceal Biden's cognitive decline and assert article to authority. This conspiracy marks one of the most dangerous and concerning scandals in American history. The American public was purposefully shielded from discovering who wielded the executive power, all while Biden's signature was deployed across thousands of documents to affect radical policy shifts. Today, Trump was asked to provide evidence for these claims about Biden's auto pen. Let's see what he had to say.

You uncovered any evidence that anything specific was signed without President Biden's knowledge or by other people in the administration acting illegally? Well, I don't think Biden would know whether or not he signed it. I'm not asking you if you've uncovered any of that information. No, but I've uncovered, you know, the human mind. I was in a debate with the human mind and I didn't think he knew what the hell he was doing. So, you know, it's just one of those things, one of those problems. So never mind hypocrisy, Trump too, has admitted he's used the auto-weigh.

pen as well, but he claims that he only uses it for unimportant matters. Here's what he said about the auto pen today. Do you know, I sign important documents. Usually when they put documents in front of you, they're important. Even if you're signing ambassadorships or, and I consider that important. I think it's inappropriate. Do you have somebody that's devoting four years of their life or more to being an ambassador? I think you really deserve, that person deserves to get a real signature, not an auto pen signature. Autopin to me are used one thing. thousands of letters come in from young people all over the country and you want to get them back. And, you know, people use autopends for that to send a little signature at the bottom of a letter.

We have thousands of them. We get thousands of letters a week. And it's not possible to, you know, I'd like to do it myself, but you can't do it. To me, that's where auto pens start and stop. All right. So Trump making the distinction there. Joe Biden responded to the auto pen allegations. Let me be clear. I made the decisions during my presidency. I made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation, and proclamations. Any suggestion that I didn't is ridiculous and false.

This is nothing more than a distraction by Donald Trump and congressional Republicans who are working to push disastrous legislation that would cut essential programs like Medicaid, raise costs. on American families, all to pay for tax breaks for the ultra wealthy and big corporations. Oh, please. Now, well, yeah, these two sides, are they that different? But there's some who will already say that Biden didn't write that response. But go ahead, weigh in on Trump and his response to what is appropriate, when it's appropriate to use the auto pen jank and Biden's response. Yeah, sometimes when I watch Trump speak, I feel like I'm watching a baby wrestle with

its food, like, right? Like, what are you doing, brother? You had a minute, hey, who used the auto pen for him? But instead he goes, if some things are unimportant, you could do with an auto pen. Oh, wait a minute, what do you think is unimportant? What have you done with an auto pen that you don't even know because you think that category is unimportant? You don't even know it because you said that basically you're saying it's so unimportant

you didn't bother checking. That could be worse. Biden's at least saying that he checked and he made the decisions. And then by the way, Helen 007, one of our members on T.Y.T.com said Biden had to on a pen. Trump has Stephen Miller. So that's also a fair point. Like, who do you think is doing the policy? Blinken or Biden?

My guess is Blinkin. Who do you think is doing the policy, Stephen Miller or Donald Trump? My guess is Stephen Miller, right? So that's why like he got to know when to stop talking, but he definitely doesn't. And then I was amused by the Biden line of like, oh, that's why the Republicans are helping the ultra wealthy in corporations. Come on, brother. What did you do?

What did you do? Come on. So don't tell me about how, oh yeah, the Republicans are serving the rich. Yes, that's definitely true. But the Democrats didn't do any better. That's why you got your ass handed to you. and now Democratic leadership sitting at 19% because the Democratic establishment got caught basically serving the donor class.

So it just rings so hollow. And Sharon, it's a great point. I mean, who auto penned that statement for Biden? Did Biden really write that himself? But that goes to the larger point I made earlier too, which is none of these people write their own statements. Like when Trump's talking, the reason why people believe he's authentic, even though he is almost always lies in some way, shape or form, right?

He throws in a whole bunch of lives. Oh, they're eating the cast on the dogs, et cetera. But he doesn't sound like a robot. He sounds like a real person, right? But in terms of, like, who's making the policies and et cetera, they're basically all, at the end of the day, let the donors win. They let the donors control everything. So, and the reason the bureaucracy runs things, because they know which donors helped

and which ones they got to pay back. And they know all of those details. Trump spends most of his time golfing and watching Fox News. Biden spent most of his time napping. So that's why, like, the presidency does make some important decisions, no question. Like Donald Trump made those decisions on tariffs that no one else would have, right? So that's fair. Joe Biden did say, yes, we will serve Israel and we will never question them, right?

Those are important decisions. Yes, I'm taking out $15 minimum wage. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do paid family leave. I'm not doing public option. Those are important decisions for the president. But overall, other than those big giant decisions, no, on a day to day basis, they don't really run the country.

And we should all be aware of that by now. There it is. Let's take a social break and we'll see where we land after this. All right back on TYT, Jankett and Sharon with you guys. Check out Sharon on Rebel HQ and other great TYT network channel. Greg Wilcox and Andrew just signed up by hitting that beautiful join button below. We appreciate you guys and Rage Rock for now sent 10 Young Turks gift memberships on YouTube. We deeply appreciate that as well.

All right, and remember you get all of our content, including the bonus episodes, including Operation Hope, including True North, all these different things that we do. And you also help support the show and help us to remain honest and not serve one side or another. Or it, and mainly just stick with the facts, which is the most important thing. All right, Sharon, what's next? The breaking news you brought up a short time ago, deport Elon. Will this become a movement? President Donald Trump's fight with Elon Musk got messy today.

Messierre, Steve Bannon now jumping in, telling the New York Times that he is telling the president to kick Musk out of the country. Here's what Bannon said in his interview. They should initiate a formal investigation of his immigration status because I am of the strong belief that he is an illegal alien and he should be deported from the country immediately. Bannon said Trump administration should also investigate Musk's drug use, his effort to get classified briefing on China from the Pentagon.

So now it's turned into it appears to weaponize everything, okay, and other people jumping in, there's people inside the administration obviously who didn't like Elon Musk just walking around doing whatever he wanted in the West Wing. So here you go, your thoughts. Yeah, so Steve Bannon has always He hated Elon Musk, we've been tracking this fight all along, even as other shows on the left were claiming that there are no fights. And that the MAGA cult would never break, and they were all going to support Donald Trump no matter what. And I'm like, guys, Steve Bannon is like in a full out war with Elon Musk.

So obviously there's disagreements. As we've talked about before, Tucker Rosa, Mark Levine, Ben Shapiro on a huge fight. There's fights all over MAGA. And so in this case, Bannon is claiming to be on the populist side and saying, I don't want to give away more stuff and goodies to Elon Musk. There was a moment when Elon Musk came in and demanded the private information of a lot of U.S. taxpayers and citizens in different departments as he was running Doge. And I thought that that was dangerous and totally unnecessary and gratuitous. And I'm still worried about that. I don't know what he did with that.

So some of Steve Bannon's concerns about Elon Musk are justified. As usual though, he then goes full mental and goes, okay, let's deport him right away. Well brother, is he a citizen or isn't he? If he's a citizen, what do you mean you're gonna deport him? There's no such thing. Like you've got, Steve Bannon, when he talks about, hey, maybe we should raise tax on the rich. Okay, that's an actual populist position, right? When he says, hey, maybe we shouldn't give government subsidies to companies. I'm all in for that. Okay, I agree with that.

Some on the left will all say, no, no, no, don't agree with anything. But guys, when they come to us and agree with our positions, take yes for an answer, right? So agree with Bannon on that. But the ugly side of his populism is who cares about the Constitution? Who cares about who's a citizen, who isn't a citizen, what your rights are, just take away people's rights. Oh, Elon's a citizen, who cares? Deport him anyway. No, no, don't deport him anyway. That makes no sense. Look, you could fight Elon politically as we do and not do weirdo unconstitutional things. Not that hard of balancing act, if you ask me. Yeah, well look, about 20 minutes or so go, Elon Musk just wants to make it clear. He's reposted something on X, reminding people

who started it. That's very important for you to understand that he did not criticize Trump personally first. He says Trump started it, or at least he's retweeting those sentiments sometime before that. Donald Trump really saying that I don't mind Elon turning against me in his most recent truth social posts. So where this ends, heck, I don't know. I really don't know. And do you have a thought about where it ends? Or is there anybody that you can think of, Jenk, who can bring these two to some kind of negotiated settlement here to just stop doing damage to one another, including in the stock market? Yeah, well, if they both lose enough money in the stock market and in their, you know, in Trump's case, in his junk meme coin and all of his other junk companies, Elon at least runs real companies. So, but if they both lose enough money, maybe they do a fake kumbaya, right?

Oh, we are so happy and friends together again, we will pass the bill and we will all get tax cuts and be happy. Besides which the average American is going to have to pay for that debt later. So that's not impossible. In fact, I think that bill will pass. I think it will create trillions in further deficits than debt. And they will all get their tax cuts so that they'll begin to move on past that. I can't imagine that they have this level of animosity for three and a half years. But look, if I'm always a little wary of giving free advice here to the other sign.

But if Trump wanted to win on this count, what he would really lean into is, well, you saw my biggest owner and how I didn't give him what he wanted and make that a point of pride. Now, what would be awesome is if he also refused Israel's orders, made a deal with a peace deal with Iran, and demanded a ceasefire in Gaza and get to a two-state solution. You do that and you go, now Miriam Aedelson was my other biggest donor and I just defied her. That would be a winning strategy, right? That would tilt everything towards Trump. I don't know if they're savvy enough to do that. And I don't know that they're honest enough to do that. So when it comes to Elon, how much influence is he going to have?

Don't think that it's not going to be any. He still has a giant amount of money that he could either give or not give to Republican senators and House members. And if you think the Republican congressman won't dance for money, You haven't been to a strip club in D.C. recently. On K Street, they go into the lobbyist offices, and they got their pasties on, they got their fishnets on. That's what they do for a living. So will they dance for Elon? If he jingles a little bit of cash in front of them, yeah, he'll split half the Republican Party into dancing for him.

What if he then splits some of the other side? They'll dance too for money. Well, then then that becomes a real problem. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like, I mean, look, here at this point, some things get toxic enough to the Democrats go, okay, I guess we won't take money from them. Like the NRA got to that point. And Democrats, after taking decades of taking money from the NRA, finally chose not to. Will they take money for Milan? You never know. So, so it's interesting. Look, I don't. So I always say act based on policy, not based on personalities or trust. tribes. So I don't care which party, which movement, or which person is in favor of ending corporate subsidies. I agree. I agree. And I'll take yes for an answer, right? So that puts me on Bannon side. And then the other point of view on the left is no, don't ever agree with any of them because it empowers them or it enables them. I wish we had that kind of power. We don't.

They're going to do whatever they're going to do anyway, they're currently in charge, we're not. So that's just the reality. But having said that, I don't want anybody to confuse what I'm saying in agreeing with Steve Bannon as empowering him 1%. Because if you say, there's a giant difference between saying he's right about that specific issue and he's right overall. He is not right overall. Neither is Elon, neither is Trump, okay? But Bannon is a dangerous dude that would take away your rights in a second. So even though he is more correct on some of the economically populist issues, he is so dangerously wrong on constitutional issues that, you know, you could take yes for an answer on a specific issue, but don't ever think, oh, yeah, Bannon, I bet we could trust them, no way.

Well, I so enjoyed watching you call this heavyweight bout. I hope there's more rounds to come, just selfishly. That would be fun. The second hour is coming up. All right, thank you, Sharon, appreciate it. We'll come back with more amazing stories. Now, Dave Portnoy is trying to end all Jewish jokes. Interesting.

That's another battle. And God, there is right-wing battle after right-wing battle and a lot more. We'll be right back. I'm going to be. Uh, uh, Buh, uh,

I don't know. You know. I'm going to be able to be.