The Young Turks - Marjorie Traitor Greene? - November 17, 2025

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All right, well, the young Turks, Jank Yuga, Yasmin Aliyah Khan with you guys. Yasman's on Rebel Headquarters. He's got our own podcast, modern context as well. So everybody check out all that thing, all those things out. So yes, we have a huge show. You know it, I know the American people know it. So we've got a lot of Epstein news. Donald Trump has done a flip-flop.

He's done a flip-flop on a couple of things. He now says, oh, release the crack. I'm good with it. I never mind it. It's amazing. It's hilarious. There's tons of MAGA guys. of MAGA guys out there right now going, no, no, Trump didn't mind releasing the files.

Come on, come on, all right, anyway, we're going to get to that a little bit later. And then speaking of flip-flops, Donald Trump viciously attacks Marjorie Taylor Green. Interesting, okay. But hey, we've got Democrats in trouble too, like Larry Summers. My God, his emails. And then who's Bubba? I mean, we, no one's talking about this giant elephant in the room where Donald Trump is accused in the emails, I didn't know the emails say it, of having oral, providing oral sex

to presumably another man. That's not a big story? I think it's kind of an interesting story. So we're going to cover it today on the show as well. I didn't see, I couldn't believe it. I didn't think it was real, but it is real. I'm not saying that he did it. I'm saying that it's in the emails that he did it.

All right, yes. So lots of fascinating things to get to. Yeah, it's been a weird weekend. for everyone. And now there's trouble in paradise. So let's get right into this first story. The most hurtful thing he said, which is absolutely untrue, is he called me a traitor. And that is so extremely wrong. And those are the types of words used that can radicalize people against me and put my life in danger. He says, Marjorie, traitor, green. I don't think her life is in danger. I don't think, frankly, I don't think anybody cares about her.

Well, the Marjorie Taylor Green, Donald Trump breakup is official, it seems, after months of bucking some of Trump's policies and pushing for the release of the Epstein files, Marjorie Taylor Green has found herself on the receiving end of Trump's fury, and it doesn't seem like she likes it very much. But before we get to his tirade and all of the fallout from it, Jenk, we want to hear your two cents. Yeah, so Marjorie Taylor Green is getting attacked by all sides, now, except some core of the, certainly the populist rights backing her. And for whatever, however much we speak for the populace left, I'm not backing her entirely on all of our policies, of course, but backing her on this. And this is it. This is a fight between the people who are full of crap and the establishment, which now includes Donald Trump.

I think it might have always included Donald Trump, but some think that he's new to that camp. And the populace like Marjorie Taylor Green. So, you know, we're going to show you all the back and forth and the threats that she's been getting. But at the end of the day, who's going to win? And that's a super interesting conversation. If you think it's definitely Donald Trump, I don't think you see what's going on at all. All right. So here is what Trump posted on Truth Social on Friday.

He said, I am withdrawing my support and endorsement of Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green and the great state of Georgia of the great state of Georgia. Over the past few weeks, despite my creating record achievements for our country, including a total and complete victory on the shutdown, closed borders, low taxes, and no men in women's sports or transgender for everyone, and having created the hottest country anywhere in the world from being a dead. country just 12 months ago and so much more. All I see wacky Marjorie do is complain, complain, complain. It seemed to all begin when I sent her a poll stating that she should not run for senator or governor. She was at 12% and didn't have a chance unless, of course, she had my endorsement, which she wasn't about to get. She has told many people that she is upset that I don't return her phone calls anymore. But with 219 congressmen slash women, 53 U.S. senators, 24 cabinet members, almost 200 countries and an otherwise normal life to lead.

I can't take a ranting lunatics call every day. I understand that wonderful conservative people are thinking about primarying Marjorie in her district of Georgia, that they too are fed up with her and her antics. And if the right person runs, they will have my complete and unyielding support. She has gone far left, even doing the view with their low IQ Republican hating anchors. Oh, no, not the view. Okay, so Green disputed Trump's claim that he told her not to run for the Senate and his allegation that she had been badgering him with phone calls. In response, she did release a text message that she had sent him earlier that

day saying, check the flight logs of Epstein's place. Bill Clinton is on there like 26 times. Hillary, too, many of us releasing the Epstein files, for many of us releasing the Epstein files, has always been for the women who were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, but also because we believed that Democrat bad guys like the Clintons were entangled and involved with him. Epstein was the spider that wove the web of the deep state lean into it. So she guessed that text is what sent him over the edge. In response to Trump's onslaught of attacks, Marjorie Green also wrote on X, I never thought that fighting to release the Epstein files, defending women who were victims of rape and fighting to expose the web of rich powerful elites would have caused this. But here we are.

And it speaks true. It truly speaks for itself. Well, Trump shot back again. There's a lot of back and forth here. This time coming up with two of his signature nicknames for his new enemy. He said, lightweight Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green, green grass turns brown when it begins to rot, betrayed the entire Republican Party when she turned left, performed poorly on the pathetic view and became the rhino that we all know she always was. Just another fake politician no different than Rand Paul Jr., aka Thomas Massey, who got caught being a full-fledged Republican in name only, make America great again. And then he said Marjorie Trader Green is a disgrace to our great Republican party.

And then that was when Marjorie Green basically accused him of abandoning his America first positions. She posted screenshots of APAC tracker showing that she has taken no money from APAC and a Liberty scorecard that awarded her 100%. And she wrote, this and the Epstein files is why I'm being attacked by President Trump. It really makes you wonder what is in those files and who and what country is putting so much pressure on him. I forgive him and I will pray for him to return to his original MAGA promises. And that's, you know, that's very big of her. Well, since she began, Well, since he began his attacks, Green says that she has been receiving threats of violence against her. It says the hoax pizza deliveries have started now to my house and to my family

members. We also received a pipe bomb threat on my construction company's office building. President Trump's unwarranted and vicious attacks against me were a dog whistle to dangerous radicals that could lead to serious attacks on me and my family. President Trump has called me a traitor, which is absolutely untrue and horrific, Mark Levin has been calling me a traitor and so have other prominent likely paid social media activists. This puts blood in the water and creates a feeding frenzy and it could ultimately lead to a harmful and even deadly outcome. But Trump voiced his doubts that anyone has actually sent her death threats since, as he claims, nobody cares about her. And this whole saga is, you know, it's hard to wrap your head around because on one hand,

you want to be like, oh, good. She's finally starting to realize who this guy is and has always been. And on the other hand, you're like, how did she not know? She must have known and she was playing politics this whole time because her alliance with Trump and her alignment with him and his policies, this whole time is the entire reason why she even has a career as a politician. She was very MAGA. She was very America first from the get go. She came out as a QAnon supporter even, and she made her way through all these inflammatory statements into Congress, all the way into Congress, she got reelected.

You know, like we've been dealing with her for a long time now, and she has been writing on the coattails of Donald Trump. Now it is very difficult, I think, Jenk, to feel sympathy for her and what she's going through. Obviously, I don't want anyone to feel threatened for their lives. or for their property. I don't like the idea that she's getting death threats against her, but she was part of the coalition that was demonizing the far left and calling us radicals and calling us dangerous. But she's been on the bad side of MAGA for what two days? And now her life

is actually in danger. Now is when she's actually starting to have to look into an additional security detail. So like all the propaganda that she's been spewing this whole time, like maybe if this is a real turn of face for her, then maybe we can get behind that, but I just don't trust it right now, Jank. One more thing before I toss to you. One thing that we do need to keep in mind is that the Republicans are looking forward to the Republican Party in a post-Trump era. And so it seems as though some people might be interested in separating themselves from Trump. So maybe that's another factor of what's going on here. This episode is brought to you by prize picks.

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playing politics? Guys, let's get past this. Everybody's playing politics, right? She's a politician. So this then the question is yes, but is there a core there, right? I believe, for example, Rokana has a core, Bernie Sanders has a core, they believe in certain things that are not going to move off of that core, right? And so, and if they was convenient, would Bernie then turn around and be against universal health care and help health insurance companies rob Americans? No way, there's no chance he would do that. But is Bernie a politician? Yeah, he's a politician. And sometimes, you know, things are done out of compromise negotiation, convenience, et cetera. For example, his compromises with Joe Biden, which I couldn't stand.

And I thought weren't effective. But yeah, that was politics, right? So, all right. Now, then we get to the core of who these folks are and who should we trust, right? Trump says she's just another fake politician and a rhino, right? Just another fake politician. Well, that's ironically what a lot of his base is saying about. about him right now.

So they thought he was special and different because he appeared to be anti-establishment. And then he comes in and does the same exact things as the establishment. So who's the fake? Now this is not really indisputable. It doesn't matter because the Trump loyalists will dispute it anyway.

And I think mainstream media flips it on its head. They're constantly making it seem like Marjorie Taylor Green is leaving MAGA. Okay, now the terms are getting confusing because everybody's claiming ownership over different terms. But in terms of the original MAGA principles, and I know that they didn't really exist for the politicians largely, right? But they did exist for the voters.

The voters actually did believe them. They weren't lying, right? They really do hate corruption. And I know they picked an ironic leader for that. I got it. I've been saying that from day one, but they do hate corruption. They do wanna be America first. Can anyone really dispute that?

And is serving Israel loyally and demanding to give money to Israel the way to serve America first? No, of course not, of course not. Did they really want the Epstein files released? Of course they did. Marjorie Taylor Green wants to release them. Donald Trump doesn't. And you go down the list, they cared about inflation.

Donald Trump said, I don't care about affordability. And Marjorie Taylor Green is on the war path on affordability. Now you can say, oh, she's doing that because of politics. Good, I want them to care about the American people, for politics. All we've had for the last 40 years is politicians only caring about the donors for politics. It would be amazing, even if they were faking it, to actually try to do something for the American people and care about them first. So in terms of the original principles of MAGA, it is absolutely utterly indisputable that Marjorie Taylor Green is closer to those positions than

Donald Trump is. So, okay, so then obviously she's more pro MAGA, but mainstream media is so like I sometimes wonder about like I don't want to say intelligence that sounds so rude but like do they know anything about politics do they know what the original mega positions were do you know if you're in mainstream media what America first means you know which country it prioritizes and which country it does not prioritize do you know which one is Marjorie Taylor Green or Donald Trump is closer to that position do you know anything anything at all because if you know anything at all, it's super clear that Marjorie Taylor Green is close to the original

and MAGA positions. By the way, half of which I totally disagree with, right? But nevertheless, she's closer to them. Okay, so now that leads to the three branches of the current Trump voters. And again, they're all lumped in together for convenient purposes for whoever's doing it, right, left, center, et cetera, right? No, there's three different branches at this point. So there are the independents who voted for Trump. And if you say there are no independents that voted for Trump, I don't understand what that means. Do you not understand numbers? Do you have trouble reading?

No, there was a ton of independents that voted for Trump. So are those independents like pure MAGA Trump was? By definition, they're not. Otherwise, they call themselves Republicans and they'd say they're MAGA, et cetera, right? So they're independents. Those are, do those people generally listen more to like Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Tim Dillon, and honestly, a little bit of us, et cetera? Yeah, they do, okay?

And so those guys, they, they, are they Trump loyalists where they're like, okay, if Trump does it, that's it, I don't, oh, we were anti-war. I've staked the whole thing on anti-war, but even though I'm an independent, I have no loyalty to any party or any person, no, if Trump says pro-war, I'm now pro-war, that's got to be near zero. Maybe it's 12% of the independents who voted for them, but nearly none, right? No, they care, they went to that side because they thought that side had the answer. The anti-establishment answer, right?

So those guys are definitely in play and Trump has no lock on them at all, okay? Then you've got another third and you could argue with the thirds. You could argue with the percentage is no problem. But just as a way of thinking about it, you had another third that's original MAGA. They really is anti-war, anti-corruption, America first, et cetera. That's being represented these days by Marjorie Taylor Green, Tucker Carlson, Tom Massey, et cetera. They are much, much, much closer to the original positions. And then you've got a third, again, it could be more, but at the third group in the Trump

voter base are Trump loyalists. And those are the guys who are like, if Trump says they're eating cats and dogs, they're eating cats and dogs, period. If Trump says that as the, they literally are saying this today, Trump said, oh no, I meant I was playing, Trump doesn't even say this actually. Trump just switches his mind, gave up and conceded and said, okay, fine, let's release the files, right? And the his loyalist coming and go, He was playing four dimensional chats, just like the Obama loyalists told me before. Oh, yeah, he seems to be going totally corporate. It seems to be helping all of his donors.

But he's playing four dimensional chess, Chang. And by the end of his turn, we'll have everything, higher minimum wage, paid family leave. We didn't have any of those things, any of those things. There's no four dimensional chess. These Trump loyalists are like, you wanted to release the files all along. That's why he was saying not to release them. those guys are hopeless, like just let him drift into the political universe. Just like, you know, Sandra Bullock in that movie like flipping over and over and over.

Like totally, you're never gonna convince them of anything. If they think that Haitian immigrants are eating cats and dogs in Ohio, they're not rational. So but if you think that's all the Trump voters, you're nuts, that's not remotely true. So Marjorie Taylor Green and Tucker are addressing about me, in my opinion, about two-thirds of Trump voters that care more about principles and policies, including ones we disagree with, then they care about the cult of personality. So I think, I don't know if today you did a poll, if you do a poll online, I know I've already done it.

Over 66,000 votes, I asked who's a true champion of MAGA, Marjorie Taylor Green or Donald Trump. And all the Trump loyalists came in, all of his supporters online directed people to our, to my poll, et cetera. to went from a big deficit to a big lead and then every real person voted and Marjorie Taylor Green won anyway, right? And but that's just online and there's the boomers who watch Fox News who probably now think Marjorie Taylor Green is going on vacation when Nancy Pelosi and is like some sort of liberal or something, right? So who wins at the end? I don't

know, I mean, I suspect it's Marjorie Taylor Green, but that's what we made voting for. And And I think in 26 a little bit, but then in 2028, both the Republicans, but also the Democrats, both of their establishment wings, including Donald Trump, are going to get a rude awakening. At some point, people are going to figure out what a primary is. And they're going to go there and they're going to realize, oh, I don't have to vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't have to vote for the other party. I just use my own party's primary and I vote out all the bums, who are the bums, almost all the incumbents, who are swimming in donor cash.

This is not complicated. And then on last thing on that, yes, is, well, so who's more corrupt? Well, Marjorie Taylor Green doesn't take A-PAC money. You know, corporate PAC money, I don't know if she doesn't take any these days or very little, but she doesn't seem to be attached to it. And Donald Trump swimming in money, $300 million from the Israeli lobby, The big oil gave him, God knows how many hundreds of millions of dollars, big pharma, etc. Who's more corrupt, not close, Donald Trump is?

So I'd rather, for me personally, as far as which direction the country is going to go, I'll take an honest populace that I disagree vehemently with on some issues over a corrupt politician any day. Yeah, I believe that Marjorie Taylor Green maintains that she has taken no money from APEC, which is something that a lot of Americans support on both sides of the aisle. That is an issue that seems to be galvanizing a lot of Americans. Maybe for different reasons. We have different reasons for not wanting to support Israel, but nobody wants to support Israel anymore.

And I think even the fact that our country is so beholden to Israel in a lot of ways is really just become such an eye-opening issue for so many Americans, not just about Israel specifically, but about the way that our country operates, who is in charge, who is pulling all the levers, and everything that's going on here with the United States and with the American people is really all being done in the service of a different country all the way on the other side of the world. Back to Marjorie Taylor Green, she is now actually apologizing for taking part in divisive politics and political attacks for years and for not really caring about their ramifications until it impacted her personally because that is what happens. Well, amid her fallout with Donald Trump, Green has reportedly faced an onslaught of violent threats And she is now saying that it's time to take the temperature of the country down.

Take a look. Congresswoman, you posted on X that President Trump is with his comments, fueling a quote, hotbed of threats against you. Obviously, any threats to your safety are completely unacceptable. But we have seen these kinds of attacks or criticism from the president at other people. It's not new. And with respect, I haven't heard you speak out about it until, until it was directed at you.

Dana, I think that's fair criticism. And you know, Green hasn't exactly been a stranger to political drama and inflammatory statements. I think we have another clip of her actually apologizing for her divisive politics. I would like to say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country.

And it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, is that we, I'm only responsible for myself and my own words and actions. And I am committed, and I've been working on this a lot lately to put down the knives and politics. I really just want to see people be kind to one another. And we need to figure out a new path forward that is focused on the American people, because, Because as Americans, no matter what side of the aisle we're on, we have far more in common than we have differences. And we need to be able to respect each other with our disagreements. So speaking of, you know, her own inflammatory statements and things that she said throughout the years that we've known her as a congressperson, she has liked and responded, for example, positively to Facebook post calling for executing prominent Democratic politicians.

in 2018 and 2019 before she was elected to Congress. And when that was revealed in 2021, she was removed from House committee assignments until 2023. More recently, she got into a verbal fight with Jasmine Crockett and insulted her appearance for which she refused to apologize. And during an argument on the House 4 in 2023, Green called Lauren Bobert a little B word. And that is all in addition to conspiracy theories that she's peddled in the the past about school shootings being false flag operations and wildfires in California

being started by space lasers, for example, that was a famous one of hers. But now she says that it's time for the American people to come together writing on X this weekend. The toxic political industrial complex thrives on ripping us all apart, but never delivers anything good for the American people whom I love. The people in charge tell us to hate each other, fundraise off why we have to hate each other, and pit Americans against each other to the point of violence and nearing civil war. This is all so wrong. We can have our own differences and differing opinions, but we can still love and respect one another.

I'm leading the way with my own example, and I hope that President Trump can do the same. I think it's naive of her to hope even that President Trump can do the same because we know that he has been this person in his whole life and he has no interest in changing who he is. But you know, this is a very interesting moment in American history, right? We've been through the MAGA movement, a decade of MAGA slash QAnon just interspersed within MAGA or maybe overlaid on top of MAGA. And right now we are starting to see some people who vehemently not only just supported Donald Trump, but participated in these divisive politics and, you know, inflammatory rhetoric.

those people are now finally, for whatever reason, whatever their particular trigger is, they are starting to come around and to say, you know what, maybe I was wrong, maybe I supported the wrong person, maybe he is not in alignment with who, with my own views, maybe he isn't who I thought he was this entire time. And I think something that we can underestimate in this country, especially with social media and all these different online spheres and media spheres is that people can very much get hold into a bubble and then they just like tunnel down into it and they don't even realize how far they are into that hole until they finally see some light and they come out on the other side. And what's happening as all these people

are starting now to come to that realization, starting to say maybe I don't want to support Trump anymore or MAGA, the people on the left, you know, our entire goal this whole time, especially on shows like this one, is to help people to understand our side of things. And also to help them understand that we're not against them. The things that we want for this country, things like health care, for example, affordable housing, higher wages, et cetera, all those things we want for people who voted for Trump, too. It's not just that we want it for ourselves. We want it for the entire country because we believe that these things will, you know,

raise all the ships up, right? If we get it all for us, that everyone will be happier, we'll have a better, more prosperous country. Yep. But we are having now, now that that is happening, we have to like kind of deal with our own emotions as far as forgiveness. You know, these people put us through hell for the last 10 years or that's how a lot of people feel. And now we have to learn how to be accepting of them. So I think the American people are in kind of a tough spot. These next couple of years are going to be very interesting seeing how we learn how to deal with each other and learn how to come back to a place that maybe we were at closer to 10 years ago. What are your thoughts? drink. Yeah. Look, I'm, I definitely forgive. So, and for me, look, it's doubly frustrating all of this entire phenomenon because we've been getting these threats for well over a decade. And so like the pizza stuff, that's already happened to us 10, 15 years ago. The swatting has happened to almost all of us, et cetera. And like since I guess it doesn't actually happen of politicians or people in mainstream media that often, any time that it happens,

they're like shocked by it. Like when we say it happens to us, they're like, who cares? You're irrelevant, okay? Like, you're not elite. If you're not among the elites, no one cares, right? And so that's, you know, the establishment's view on it. And then you layer on what a lot of the radical right Maga guys did, which is what they're doing to Marjorie Taylor Green now, you know, and once Donald Trump targets you, that's it, you know, ranging from, you know, doxing and being over the top threats, etc. They're threatening her son's life right now, several different people talking specifically about murdering her son. And it just goes on and on, and it's vicious. And so did she participate in some of that? Yeah, she liked

posts that called for violence against Democrats. That's terrible, okay? So now, but I, wait a minute, I said I forgive. Why? Because guys, whenever people come in the right direction, say yes. Like, that's not complicated, right? So is Trump coming in the right direction? No, hell no. He's continuing to do the same exact things he did before. The real problem is Marjorie. She's a traitor, everybody. Target her. Right. So now, my. Marjorie realizes, oh, oh, that's what's been going on. Oh, some people, not all people, but some people on our side are a little looney tunes, right? And they, when they see Trump saying that, they're, yeah, Marjorie, when they saw you saying that,

they also were animated in the same way, but she now recognizes it and has apologized for it. No, you can't ask for more than an apology. What else do you want, right? So, and look, have we been, you know, pretty harsh in our language from time to time? Yeah, okay? So am I dialing it back? Barely. So why? Look guys, there's a different lines, right? We have never crossed the most important line. And it's one of the most important rules we have at TYT. And I appreciate that people across the political spectrum have given us credit for this. We have always been, and I think the most consistent on any side for nonviolence. Our whole like, defining trait is nonviolence. We're for peace. We're for peace in the world. We're for nonviolence in this country. My role models, Martin Luther King, civil disobedience with absolute commitment to nonviolence. So we've never crossed that line. And so we've got

nothing to apologize for there. On the other hand, now people are saying words like traitor and Nazi, et cetera, are too far. And they rile people up too much to attack others. Both sides have said Nazi a lot of times. Both sides have said traitor a lot of times. So okay, I'll try to stay away from those, right? I'm trying to adjust. But at the same time, no, there's nothing wrong with calling Lauren Boehbert a bitch. That's what Marjorie Taylor Green did. Well, that doesn't call for violence against her. That's just like her opinion, man. And do I think Donald Trump is Israel's bitch? Yeah. And I'm going to say that a thousand times. That I think Joe Biden was Israel's bitch. Yeah. So that's just being

honest. That's not, well, there's nowhere, that's not on without a million miles of violence. I'm just telling you what I think of the guy, right? So I think she's come a long way in going in this direction, which is the correct decision. I'll definitely take it. And I encourage everybody else to do that. And by the way, last thing on it, yes, is that Tuck Carlson and Anna did a show together the other day. You will put it up on t.com slash press. And they were both talking about, hey, things that they regretted. And Tucker listed a bunch of things he regretted saying. Anna said some things she regretted saying throughout the years, right? Can I pause to say that No matter what you think of Tucker Carlson or Marjorie Taylor Green or us, by the way,

that's kind of a nice moment. That's a moment of Americans going, wait a minute, maybe we're not each other's enemies. And maybe the real people in charge, the elites, are getting us to fight, and we should stop fighting each other and realize who's actually causing the problems. That's what I'm calling the Great Awakening. So I think people are beginning to realize the establishment is the real. opponent, political opponent that we have. You see that? I toned it down a little bit.

Yeah, I think it goes beyond just a great moment though, Jank. I think it's what needs to happen if we even have a hope of moving forward as a country in the post Trump era or just any era. You know, like we have a lot of things that are coming for us in the coming years that we're going to have to fight against. We have AI, we have climate change and who else knows what else is going on on the geopolitical stage. But there's a lot of things that we will need to be unified for. And as a country, we need to learn how to just apologize to each other

and to realize that, you know, all of us, we did play a role in what happened to this country. Even if we weren't vocal about it, we certainly felt, you know, alienated from our neighbors. And that wasn't a, I know it's been 10 years of this, but that really wasn't an overwhelming feeling prior to the Trump era. You know, we can blame it on Trump if you want. You can blame it on social media, whatever the case was, it's been about 10 years of this. And it's hard to remember what life was like before that. And I think if we're going to move forward, we have to be accepting of people whenever they do say, I'm going to try to be better with these things. You know, and apologize for the things that you've done. And as far as apologies go,

Jenk, you've touched on this a little bit. That's one of the biggest criticisms that I personally have with cancel culture is even if somebody does come out and apologizes for this, for the thing that they've done, which is, you know, what people say they want from these people once they've been canceled. But once they do, they're almost never forgiven, right? It's always like, oh, they didn't mean it. Oh, some PR person wrote this for you. Oh, you're just going to like, nothing has changed, blah, blah, blah. You're not actually sorry. And it's like, what do you want from people, right? They have all these ideas in their heads like, oh, you have to donate to charities and you have to show, you know, this many years of contrition and, you know, you have to be

working against the thing that you've said. And it's also arbitrary. But, you know, we hold these people to such high standards. And we should. I'm not saying we shouldn't hold, especially politicians more than celebrities, but it's not that we shouldn't hold them to high standards, but we do need to be open to if you're working forward, if you're in earnest working towards something better, then great, I have to be accepting of that. And I have to To a certain degree, assume that you are doing so with your best intentions. And it's hard, it's very hard because we don't trust in each other anymore, but we're gonna have to try. Yeah, one last quick thing here, one of our members on Twitch wrote in with a good counterpoint.

Canadian in Hawaii said, just to be clear, she said like two weeks ago, she still believes in a national divorce. Like WTF are we even talking about here? So brother, that's a good point, right? And so I get it. And you always have to be on your guard, especially with politicians, right? So I'm not absolving anyone of all of their, you know, not only mistakes of the past, but their current positions, et cetera. I disagree with Marjorie Taylor Green on dozens of issues, right?

But she seems to be headed in the right direction. If our answer for headed it in the wrong direction and headed in the right direction is the the same answer, well, that doesn't make much sense, does it? And it certainly doesn't give people much of an incentive to go in the right direction. And Yaz is right, I've seen polling where when people apologize, it barely affects the numbers at all. Generally speaking as a country and largely driven by our media, we're told, no, never accept an apology, they're useless, well then why are people apologizing?

That's why you get characters like Donald Trump, who says and does the most outrageous things and never apologizes. Is that the better path? I don't think that's a better path at all. I think yes is totally right. When you, especially when you sense, look, Marjorie Taylor Green says a lot of things that are so outrageous, you know she's genuine, right? So when you have someone that appears to be a little bit genuine like that, even it is certainly in the things that you disagree on and even on the things you agree on, yeah, if you can't show grace there in taking an apology, then the issue's on us for not taking it, right? So, For God's sake, look up, look up.

The problem is the people who control our government. And they're not, it's not complicated who they are. It's the donor class. It's largely corporations and some foreign governments. It's obvious. That's your real issue, not your neighbor to the left, not your neighbor to the right. All right, we gotta take a quick break here. We'll be back and we have more of this drama for you guys,

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Congresswoman Gover and Congresswoman base to not pursue this? Because we think it's bad to talk about it because it gets away from the subject of how well the Republicans Sure, Jan. So Donald Trump has suddenly changed his tune on the release of the Epstein files again after campaigning on their release, only to refuse to release them once he was in office. Now it seems that he wants their release now that the release is kind of eminent. So he's like, oh, I'm for it. Jank, we've got more from that clip. But after an explosive weekend, which we will discuss more in the next story, are we buying Trump's reasoning?

here? Of course not. So my favorite part is the MAGA guys who have found an excuse for Donald Trump's flip-flop. That excuse is hilarious. I can't wait to share it with you guys. Let's get all the facts first. Okay, so before we go on, let's hear the rest of what Trump had to say in that clip. We think it's bad to talk about it because it gets away from the subject of how well the Republicans are doing. We have the greatest economy. We have the largest investment ever made in our country's history. We have all of these great things happen. We have very little inflation, whereas he had record-setting, the biggest inflation in history. All of these things are good. And when you talk about the Epstein hoax, what happens is you're not talking about how well we've

done. That's the whole purpose behind them. They want to waste people's time. And some of the Dumber Republicans like that. This is a real new subject. I think it's mostly Democrats. So Trump was asked why just a few days ago. His team was encouraging some Republicans who had signed the discharge petition for the release of the files to no longer support the release. And among Republicans, the Trump administration targeted were Nancy Mace and Lauren

Bobert, both of whom have long supported the files release. Both Bobert and Mace were taken into the Situation Room to discuss the release of the files. And the Situation Room, that is where only the most classified conversations typically take place. There are no cameras in there, no recording devices in there. But when asked about the use of the Situation Room for these discussions, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt said, doesn't that show the level of transparency when we are willing to sit down with members of Congress and address their concerns?

That's what she told reporters at a press briefing. So Bobert later told reporters that she was not pressure to take her name off of the discharge petition in the meeting. And Nancy Mace had been quote unquote playing phone tag with the president for a day, which just sounds like she was ducking him. So currently no one has removed their name from the discharge petition. So now that Adelita Grahalva has finally been sworn into the house, The vote can go forward and the files will presumably be released soon afterward whether

or not Trump wants that to happen. So he wrote on Truth Social Sunday, House Republicans should vote to release the Epstein files because we have nothing to hide and it's time to move on from this Democrat hoax perpetuated by radical left lunatics in order to deflect from the great success of the Republican Party, including our recent victory on the Democrat shutdown. The post was much, much longer than that, but you know, you get the gist of it. He kind of echoed the same sentiments from the clip that we showed earlier. But he did double down on that today while continuing to make the ridiculous claim that only Democrats are connected to Epstein. Take a look.

You urged House Republicans to vote in favor of this Epstein release bill they're going to vote on tomorrow. I just want to be super clear at your position. Do you want to see that past the Senate? Would you sign that bill if it gets to your desk? I do want to say it. Here's what I want. We have nothing to do with Epstein. The Democrats do. All of his friends were Democrats. I'm all for it. You know, we've already given 50,000 pages. You do know that. But no matter what we give, it's never enough. They can do whatever they want. We'll give them everything. Sure I would. Let the Senate look at it. Let anybody look at it. But don't talk about it too much, because honestly, I don't want to take it away from us. All I want is I want for people to recognize a great job that I'm. I've done that's all he wants you know he's not really asking for a whole lot the vote on the release of the files is set to take place tomorrow so I guess we'll find out what happens at that point he's trying to act as though now he's always been for the release of these files he said only Epstein was only friends with Democrats it doesn't even make any sense we have pictures

we've seen videos of them hanging out together he's all over those emails that were dropped And as, you know, we've teased, we're going to get into some of those emails and how close Trump himself seems to be with some Democrats. But before I get too far ahead of myself, Jank, what do you make of this particular talking point that he's putting forth that, you know, all of the Epstein stuff is just a distraction from all the great work that he's been doing? Because in a way, you could say the Epstein stuff is a distraction from all the things that the Trump administration is doing, but it's not good things that they're doing. Yeah, that's an interesting point too.

All right, so I want to break down all of his excuses because they're hilarious. So it's only the Democrats on the Epstein list, he says. That's why all the people blocking their release in Congress are Republicans. You know why? Because the Republicans, they have golden hearts. These Republican politicians, they're like, I don't want my Democratic friends besmirched in any way by these Epstein files. files. None of us are on and neither is President Trump or anyone we care about or our donors. We're just trying to look out for them, but the Democrats who are all

voting to release the files, they're like we know we're in the files, but we just want you to know too. Who thinks that's plausible? Like really, like you've got comprehension issues if you think that that's possible, right? And then you look at what he's doing to the Republicans in Congress. He told them to hold strong, do not release it under any circumstance. Now he's saying, yeah, forget it, release it. Then what'd you make them do all those votes where they totally screwed up their careers by voting to protect Epstein predators? God, he's the worst.

If you trust them as a politician, you're an idiot. He's definitely gonna hang you out to dry. He's definitely gonna betray you, let alone, I mean, those are the people who were voting, he put so much pressure on that, and then now that leads to the other excuse. He pulls Bobard into the situation room. That means it's a national security matter. He has the attorney general and the FBI director talk to her before this vote, which is unprecedented.

And he does it like, do you better not vote to release these files? Now he says, oh no, we're just being more transparent. How could it be more transparent? You're in the situation room so that no one else can find out what was said. That's kind of part of the point of the situation room. I mean, it's hilarious, it's the exact opposite of what is true, right? And after pressuring her that vociferously to not release it. Now he says, oh yeah, yeah, he, you know what?

I just thought maybe she was getting, everybody's getting distracted from my glory. We should all be talking about my glory. And that's the only reason I was telling her to vote. No, but wait, if people are getting distracted by the Epstein files, wouldn't you have told her to just vote yes and release them and then move on so that we could return to talking about your glory? None of it makes any sense. But my favorite, yes, is the Trump loyalist online today.

They're like, no, Trump said not to release them so that later he could change his mind. Seemed to be changing his mind, but it was four dimensional chess. While you were playing checkers, he was seeming like a jackass on purpose and like a pervert predator. And if not a predator himself, protector of all other pervert predators, so that he could fall into his trap. And then with the thing he could turn around and release the files and show that only Democrats are on them. I mean, okay, if you believe that, there's nothing I can say to you to get you to believe anything that's attached to this planet, right? So okay, every but anyone with like two bits of sense realizes Trump is turning around because he lost. He lost the vote. There were there was four Republicans. That's all they needed with Grohava coming in.

There's nothing he can do to block it. Plus, we know about Bubbo already. So the damage has been done. So he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I meant release it. I meant release it. That's what happened. Anyone else who thinks otherwise is hilarious.

Yeah, it's like is Occam's razor a joke to you people, the people who are still defending all of this and all of this chess that's playing and being and happening right now? You know, it really doesn't need to be this difficult, right? There was a child sex ring happening within our country and around the world. People deserve to know about it. The victims deserve to have some kind of justice. That's it.

Just release the files. We know you have it. Why won't you just let us see it? And all the excuses that they give us, it's so insulting to everyone's intelligence. The people who are still defending Trump's actions is like, why are we doing so much? Even if he is playing chess, like, why is he playing chess? Nobody else wants to play this game with him. He's just the only one playing chess with himself, which is kind of sad, you know, in and of itself.

But then also he lost. If he's playing chess, he's losing that game. Everyone is ready. It's on the same page. We're ready to go. We're ready to like, you know, I don't have a good chess analogy. King him. We're ready to king him.

That's what he's saying. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, okay, we fell into his trap. Great. Release all that I've seen files. Okay, we're happy to fall into that trap. And look, there's, there are partisans, no question he has on both sides, right? And they, some of the partisans want to protect the bad guy Democrats.

Certainly some of the partisans want to protect Trump and bad guy Republicans, right? Me and for people who are real and authentic, we don't care. We don't, who cares about protecting corrupt, pedophile Democrats? Like, if you want to do that, there's something a little off with you. If you think that your partisan instincts are more important than protecting young girls, no, no, that's totally unacceptable. So there is no trap here. The only possibility here is what, you know, they've done in every other case.

Of course, people should be worried about this, which is Trump goes, yeah, now we released them. But we took out all the things that incriminate, Republicans, Trump, and anyone on our side. Oh, look at that. The only list we found is that of Democrats. The problem with that isn't, oh, they're going to get the Democrats. The problem is, if they do that, they would be purposely protecting Republican predators. And if you're MAGA and you're comfortable with that, again, I think you kind of missed the point. Yeah, absolutely.

And we're going to see these files sooner or later, whether Trump wants it or not in, I would assume in the full forum. If there have been redacted bits from Republicans from the Trump administration, you know, these files, It's on the internet, people have access to them. And from what we've been seeing is people are willing to, to release them to the public. So I have to believe that even if they have tampered with these files in some way, that we, it's just inevitable. Like just, just you lost, you lost. Yep. All right, guys, we got to take a quick break here.

When we come back, finally, Bubba. All right back on TYTJJanky with you guys. Real quick, I was responding to one of our viewers and members during the break. And they mentioned this post that I put on X about how what we could have used of $31 billion we gave to Israel in the middle of a genocide for instead. Right? I encourage you to check that out because I attached the video for brave new films. And it shows you all the different things we're gonna spend the 31 billion dollars. It is heartbreaking, heartbreaking the lives we could have saved instead of killing all those lives with the 31 billion. All right, yes, what's next?

A bit of a lighter story than that. You know, let's just roll it. We're all ignoring the elephant in the room. There's an email that says that Donald Trump, Blue Bubba. Now, some people think Bubba's Bill Clinton. Some people think it's a horse. Some people think whatever. Now, I didn't write the email. And I, in fact, when I first saw it online, I didn't even believe it. Y'all, did Donald Trump blow Bill Clinton? That is the question that has had the internet a buzz after a fascinating email exchange between Jeffrey Epstein and his brother, Mark, was revealed in the House Oversight Committee's document drop over the weekend. And you're We're gonna be shocked by Mark Epstein's response to this story, but Jenk, please, what is your two cents on this?

Oh boy, I didn't see this one coming. Apparently neither did Trump. Okay, we're gonna talk about the potential veracity of this. And apparently there's at least a question of a Russia connection, but there's always something a little bit more important behind a story like this. So we'll get to that as well. Okay, so Mark Epstein, he was writing to his brother, Jeffrey Epstein, on March 19th, 2018, and he says, how are you doing? What is your boy Donald up to now? To which Jeffrey responds, All Good, Bannon with me, referring to Steve Bannon. Mark writes back to Jeffrey. Ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba. Okay, so Bubba was a nickname used for Bill Clinton. So speculation immediately, that Mark Epstein was claiming that Trump blew Bill Clinton, but now Mark Epstein is saying that the exchange was, you know, it was being misread and that Bubba actually referred to someone else.

Here's what he said. He said they were simply part of a humorous private exchange between two brothers and were never meant for public release or to be interpreted as serious remarks. For the avoidance of doubt, the reference to Bubba in this correspondence is not in any A reference to former President Bill Clinton, Ali Clark, a spokesperson for Mark Epstein also said that Bubba is a private individual who is not a public figure. Okay, hold on, yes, I'm going to jump in. Yes. Wait, they're saying he actually did blow a guy.

That's amazing. They didn't say that he didn't blow someone. Yeah. Wasn't Bill Clinton. First of all, yes. There's a million guys with the nickname Bubba. If it was Bill Clinton, I'd fall out of my chair. The most shocking thing that ever happened in American politics, right?

I mean, it would explain why he was so antagonistic to Hillary during their election. I never thought about it that way. He's like, oh, Hillary's so bad. Get off my bill. Get off my papa. No, no, no. Guys, look, fine. It's that I have no problem believing that it's not Bill Clinton.

But holy cow, Jeffrey, his brother is saying, yeah, it wasn't Bill. It was another guy that Donald Trump gave oral sex to. And yes, there's another part of this story I don't understand. Mainstream media loves anything that attacks Donald Trump is salacious in nature. And they haven't touched this with a 10-foot pole or a couple of inch pole. So what's going on here? How is this not an interesting story? I get that it's salacious.

And we'll talk about whether it's relevant in a second. But it's certainly interesting. No one in mainstream media found this interesting, especially because there's a reference to Putin. All this talk of like, hey, did Putin have anything on him? And here's the Epstein boys going, hey, does Putin have that picture on Trump? Wait, does he have a lot of pictures on Trump? Did Epstein give him the pictures from Trump? That seems super relevant. Yeah, people should be talking about this. Yeah, so Mark didn't provide any additional context as far as who Bubba actually was. There was a bit of speculation that Galane Maxwell had a horse name Bubba and that

maybe that was who Donald Trump blew. But it was very Mark Epstein, as much as you can trust his word on this, he was very clear that it was a someone, not like a horse, right? It's not a horse. He didn't. It's not, I'm going to, I'm going to say it's not a horse. I will, I will, I will concede that it's not a horse. It would be a lot more. Trump's a germaphobe. Like, I don't know. But, you know, like the, we see now maybe just a glimpse of what was so scary about all

of this coming out for Donald Trump. He has made his entire career both as a public figure and as a politician on being this strong man who like gets all the ladies and, you know, spies on teenage girls in dressing rooms and has all of these wives and things like that. But in the midst of all of this, you know, like, it was really just one of the most bizarre weekends. I think we've ever seen as a country, which I understand that is a very big statement to make. But we get this release that Donald Trump has blown someone called Bubba. And also, he spent the weekend blasting music from the White House speakers before he fled to Mar-a-Lago.

It was so bizarre. Like, I don't know if you saw that one, Jank, but he was blasting the Phantom of the Opera, like the original Broadway cast recording with Michael Crawford, who he also wanted to honor the Kennedy Center. So, like, that's a weird thing that Donald Trump and I have in common. We're both big fans of Michael Crawford, but I don't know who else like pays attention to him, but he was like blasting the Phantom of the Opera and like just having a pity party for himself. And then he comes out a day later saying, you know what, just release the files. And then to your other point, it does say something that, you know, in my online sphere, this was all anyone was talking about over the

weekend, but it really didn't get a whole lot of coverage on mainstream news. And, you know, as much as I rail against social media, I keep it because a lot of times you do get stories that just aren't covered. And even on this show, you know, there's so much that happens that we just don't have time to cover. We have to pick which stories are, you know, the most interesting or the most relevant to, you know, our audience. But there's a lot that gets left out. So it does help to get things from different sources, but this feels like a big deal, this story. Yeah. Maybe it's not verified, so that's why they haven't commented on it before, but I feel like

it should have been a bigger story. Yeah, so look, Phantom of the Opera, there's a guy with a mask hiding his real identity. Trump often comes into on stage to the song of YMCA. Look, we're pro-LGB if Trump's in that category. God bless, welcome, no problem at all. But guys, putting aside the fun stuff, do I believe that he did it? I have no idea. How would I know? I don't know. And could they just be joking? They could just be joking. But what's weird is Mark Epstein saying, no, it was a private correspondence, but there really was a dude.

Okay, that's okay. Now, the relevant part, like, because the rest is like fun and we could all make jokes about. about it, but there is a super relevant part here. People thought, a lot of people think that the whole point of Epstein videotaping everyone and taking pictures of everyone is for blackmail. Well, do they, did they have blackmail on the president of the United States? Who is they? And then they joke around about whether Putin has the blackmail on Donald Trump. And we all know because of drop site news that Epstein was working with a foreign government,

We're working with a former prime minister of Israel, working with intelligence officers from Israel. So they stayed over at his house dozens of times, and he strategized with them on how to get America to bomb Syria and to bomb Iran. So if they had blackmail of any sort on this president, that would be a massively relevant story. And if you're, you know, in mainstream media, you're like, oh, how dare you not beloved Israel? Okay, maybe it's Russia. You don't mind Russia, right? You're talking a lot about that. I mean, it's certainly something to explore to see if there is blackmail or there isn't blackmail.

But what's interesting is, yeah, it seems like the day after we found out about Bubba, Trump's like, oh, forget it, just release the files. What difference does it make now? So for, you remember the theory that I had, I don't know if you do or yes, but I said, look, a lot of people keep saying, including a lot of the victims, that Trump didn't, do anything illegal, right? But yet Trump seems to be scared to death of these files being released. And I had this funny little theory that maybe it's because they have him on tape being naked. And he was just embarrassed about that. And that's why he didn't want to release.

But Bubba would explain how he might not have done anything illegal, but was desperate to keep the files from getting released because of something else in there that is not illegal, but deeply embarrassing to him. And so I don't, I really don't know, guys. There's no way for me to know. But you now know what we know. And I think the by four of the most relevant part of the story is whether things like that exist on Trump or any other politician.

And if anyone is currently using them as blackmail on those politicians. Yeah. And I know we have to wrap this hour. But I think you guys are actually going to talk about this on the next hour with Jordan. But this does kind of go to your point about how powerful Jeffrey Epstein was while he was alive and how well connected he was to these very, very powerful leaders. You know, he just casually was talking about Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in these emails with his brother, even as he was joking. And even though it was a joke, we do know that he had very, very strong ties to these people. And now actually in one of the emails that we saw, he even said, you know, like they're trying to take.

down Donald Trump, but it's funny because I'm the only one who can take down Donald Trump. And that does seem to allude that he has, you know, actually incriminating or devastating information and evidence against Donald Trump. And it's, it's, he's so powerful that he's doing all of this now as he's deceased. Yeah, no, you know what? Real quick, yes. To that point, Michael Wolf and Epstein have an email conversation right before the 2016 election. And Wolf, who pretends to be a journalist, but in the emails, is conspiring with Epstein, again, seeming to want to help a third party, whatever that third party is, having nothing to do with his reporting or anything. But anyway, Michael Wolf then says to what appears to be in the emails his co-conspirator Jeffrey Epstein, hey, this might be a good time for you to. put away Donald Trump if you want to.

So Epstein is so powerful, and there's a cabal of people apparently who are secretly deciding who's going to win, who's going to lose, which information you're going to get to see, which information you're going to not get to see. And whoever Epstein and his handlers were, they decided not to use that information against Trump. And look at that. Trump now totally loyal to one country. But I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

Of course, all the coincidence. Yeah, we'll save the rest of that for the second hour, because I know you and Jordan are going to touch on that a little bit more. Yep, indeed. All right, a lot more on this story when we return. Thank you, yes.