The Young Turks - Masterclass Or Meltdown?

Episode Date: July 20, 2024

The DNC chair insists Biden ""put on a masterclass"" in a press conference. Two-thirds of Americans call both Biden and Trump ""embarrassing"" in a new Pew poll and even more dub Trump ""mean-spirited."" A Republican candidate refuses to answer a question immediately after saying he will answer tough questions: ""We’re not here to talk about abortion."" Teamsters president faces backlash over ""unconscionable"" GOP convention speech." HOST: John Iadarola (@johniadarola), Francesca Fiorentini (@franifio) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE: ☞ https://www.youtube.com/user/theyoungturks FACEBOOK: ☞ https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER: ☞ https://www.twitter.com/theyoungturks INSTAGRAM: ☞ https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK: ☞ https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕 Merch: https://shoptyt.com ❤ Donate: http://www.tyt.com/go 🔗 Website: https://www.tyt.com 📱App: http://www.tyt.com/app 📬 Newsletters: https://www.tyt.com/newsletters/ If you want to watch more videos from TYT, consider subscribing to other channels in our network: The Watchlist https://www.youtube.com/watchlisttyt Indisputable with Dr. Rashad Richey https://www.youtube.com/indisputabletyt The Damage Report ▶ https://www.youtube.com/thedamagereport TYT Sports ▶ https://www.youtube.com/tytsports The Conversation ▶ https://www.youtube.com/tytconversation Rebel HQ ▶ https://www.youtube.com/rebelhq TYT Investigates ▶ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNJt9PYyN1uyw2XhNIQMMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm back. Jordan Yule, Francesca Furentini, Jane Huger here back from Milwaukee. Today, the Republican National Convention was cray cray. So you guys saw a lot of that, of course, live throughout the week. I've got some more thoughts about it. Maybe we'll do that in the bonus episode for the members at the end. Of course, everybody remember rebel headquarters for Jordan,

bituation room for Francesca and also the insurgents podcast for Jordan. All right, so guys, we got a lot of news. Oh boy. So I guess let's just dive right into it. Jordan, take it away. Take a look at this. Take a look at this. your nomination for president of the United States. Thank you.

The RNC wrapped up yesterday with Donald Trump's long-awaited keynote speech that his allies claimed would focus on unity. He started by describing the failed assassination attempt on Saturday. Take a look. Together we will launch a new era of safety, prosperity, and freedom for citizens of every race, religion, color and creed, the discord and division in our society must be healed. We must heal it quickly. As Americans, we are bound together by a single fate and a shared destiny. We rise together or we fall apart. I am running to be president for all of America, not half of America. As you already know, the assassin's bullet

came within a quarter of an inch of taking my life. So many people have asked me what happened. Tell us what happened, please. And therefore, I will tell you exactly what happened. And you'll never hear it from me a second time because it's actually too painful to tell. There was blood pouring everywhere, and yet in a certain way, I felt very safe because I had God on my side. Shut up.

But from there, he quickly pivoted back to campaign Trump, attacking some of his frequent go-to targets. Take a look. Eric, what was that all about? Boy, that was good. I didn't want to really come up here. But he was so great, and he's such a good young man. He went through a lot of trouble, and Don last night was incredible. They went through so much trouble.

They got subpoenaed more than any people, probably, in the history of the United States. Every week, they get another subpoena from the Democrats, crazy Nancy Pelosi, the whole thing, just boom, boom, boom. They've got to stop that because it doesn't. destroying our country. We have to work on making America great again, not on beating people. And we won. We beat them at all. We beat them on the impeachments. We beat them on indictments. We beat them. But the time that you have to spend, the time that you have to spend, if they would devote that genius to helping our country, we'd have a much stronger and better country. Throughout the course of the speech, he reiterated several

false claims about the 2020 election. And this speech was a convention record long 93 minutes. And throughout that time, he also hit on his economic record before COVID hit the U.S., his draconian border policies and blasting Biden for rescinding some of those policies in the process, emphasis on some. And he also argued that inflation is currently at its highest level in history, despite that not being true. Jank, you were there, you were covering. it on the network last night. What do you make of Trump's speech? Did he heal the nation? And let me tell you about crazy Nancy Pelosi. So a couple of things here, guys. First of all, speech went really well if you want Donald Trump to lose, as I do. So we're back in the ballgame,

not with Joe Biden, but with another candidate, we can definitely beat this guy. And so, look, after the assassination attempt and after Biden's, you know, collapse, like implosion, Trump for a second looked ascendant and unbeatable. And we shared with you guys' stories. We didn't make these up. This is mainstream media reporting. Democrats were considering basically surrendering and just having Biden be a sacrificial lamb because they thought maybe we can't beat this guy.

And I thought to myself, there's no, not just to myself, but shared it with you guys. there's no way that this Donald Trump is going to have enough discipline not to be Donald Trump. The whole point of this convention was, oh, he's a changed man. And now after this assassination attempt, he's kind and sane and nice. Go, go, go, go, go, go. Except when his daughter wants to give him a hug, Jank. Yeah, that's right. He totally avoided Tiffany. Didn't even return her kiss. It was weird, but usual for Trump. But the bottom line on the speech itself was it brought Trump back down to reality because like it reminded us who Trump was. That magic that lasted for about a week is now gone. We all now remember who Trump

actually is. First half the speech is totally fine talking about the shooting. The hilarious line that we showed you guys. And never going to say this a second time because it's too painful. He's going to say it a million times, two million times. He's going to tell that story more times than anyone has ever told a story, okay? So, and oh my God, it's going to get wilder too. Was that? He's going to get, he's going to get wilder and wild he's going to be like, I actually, I saw the shooter, you know, I heard the bullet.

Like there's going to be, I saw an angel. It came down to me, like it'll only get more on hinge. Oh, of course. I saw a meslim celebrating in rooftaps nearby, like, and then, but after the shooting, my building was the biggest building in Pennsylvania. Like he'll go, he'll just totally embellish. I'm with you and that's, but the first half of the speech, he did not embellish. It was perfectly fine.

I thought the firefighter thing worked really well, the outfit, right? Because everybody loves Corr, that unfortunately died at the rally. And yeah, he's a Trump supporter, but like I don't care about that at all. Incredibly heroic covering up his family when he took the bullet. So that half the speech was great. Then, oh my God, the great meander began. And by the end, I mean, people are like, oh, geez, what is this thing going to end? And I don't mean just us.

I mean, the Republicans who came to see it, they're like, this is unbearable. Because he keeps going off script, off script. And whenever he goes off script, he's ruining the point of this well orchestrated convention, which was to show that he's stable and kind. And he just can't pull it off. Frannie. Yeah, I mean, I like how it also sounded like he was reading it for the first time. like discord discord like it's discord buddy discord like he doesn't even know what the words that

are coming out of his mouth like he doesn't understand that i also think you look beyond like you know that it was boring and it was definitely like trump bored with himself like he's lately he started to do the i sound like i'm bored of myself kind of thing which you get he is old as well he's just more cogent than joe biden but the public safety thing you know republicans are arguably arguably running on like, oh, we were going to be tough on crime, public safety. Look, our president was shot. With what? How was he shot? With not just a gun, but an AR-15, a gun that they have vehemently opposed doing

anything about getting out of the hands of the American public about putting any more, you know, safety protocols on, right? Like, it's just incredible to me that the party of law and order and public safety can have their god emperor nearly killed by an AR-15, And they will do nothing to get guns out of the hands of crazed people or just guns that should not be in anyone's hands outside of a war situation. And we need to call them on that way more than we actually do. You cannot be the party of public safety and still have this many guns in in Americans' hands, just period. But yeah, other than that, I'm like, well, who is he doing this for? J.D. Vance, I get guys. Here's the thing, I might have disagreed. I saw some of your coverage

about J.D. Vance's speech, I actually thought it was good. I thought it was like sort of relatable. I think it was, you know, he played the downhome populist pretty well, even though he's completely backed by ventureal capitalists. But yeah, Trump's was a pretty big disappointment. By the way, you could watch those speeches on our YouTube channel because we did play-by-play at the convention. If you send us to the DNC, we'll do play-by-play there. And we might get a worse reception at the DNC, but it's going to be interesting either way. TYT.com slash team, the link will always be in the description box. Send us to the DNCs and check out those speeches in our play-by-play and announce of them.

Jordan, sorry, go ahead. No, I just, I think you made a good point. was meandering, people were bored at the end. It was just a totally different vibe from the first speech. So let's take a look at some of the reactions that people and the media had to the speech overall. Take a look. The speech go over where you were sitting. Savannah, we're way steep in balloons now.

It felt like it's kind of an effort to manufacture a bit of energy that was lacking at the second half of that speech. The first half, I saw a lot of wet eyes. The second half, I saw some closed eyes in the section that I'm in right now. Even some of Trump's most loyal supporters, the Trumpomaniacs, as described by Hulk Hogan, apparently became restless and bored during Trump's hour and a half long speech. The Atlantic's Tim Alberta tweeted this yesterday, I'm standing 10 feet from the stage in a sea of diehards and some are getting restless. Checking phones, stealing glances at the teleprompter, whispering about when it will be over.

And other people even seemed to fall asleep. Take a look. And this great iron dome will be built entirely in the USA. We're going to build it. And while Trump is polling ahead of Biden, it was a blow to the Republican nominee garnering a lot of critical attention. Chris Wallace stated, frankly, it was a long speech. It was a rambling speech. It was a speech by an older man, and I couldn't help but think that people that are going to be the happiest tonight are not the people at Trump headquarters, but the people, the Democrats, maybe at Biden headquarters, maybe at the headquarters of other people who think they're going to replace Joe Biden. CNN and Fox News also spoke to undecided voters after the speech, and they had a similar reaction. take a look. So I gave his speech a D. It started out great, but then he went into

mistruths and grievances and attacks. And it just totally contradicted itself in terms of what he wanted to achieve with unity. And how do you think the former president did in that speech? I like the beginning part. And then it turned into more of a rally speech. And I've seen two of his rallies in person. And then I got bored, to be totally honest with you. And I thought He kept looking back saying four years ago, we did this. And I'm like, I want to know what's going on in the next four years. I'm tired of hearing what you did. I want to know what you're going to do. And so I didn't push me closer to him. That I think is an interesting point. The speech at the convention is an opportunity to set the agenda to lay out your platform and your vision for the country. Jank, do you think Trump used that moment wisely? Did he capitalize on that? No, no. It was. It was definitely a huge mess because at the end of the speech, people started talking about,

hey, maybe Biden shouldn't drop out because Trump is so weak. And we're back to thinking how weak Trump is. By the way, Biden should definitely drop out. I mean, we have a race here that's the rambler versus the mumbler. And what are we doing here? Well, the first party to a candidate that can actually give a speech wins. So why don't we, the Republicans have no chance. Donald Trump is definitely their candidate.

We have a chance. Just pick someone who could speak English and deliver a normal speech that excites people. The second thing you got to do, that last guy that you saw there that was the kind of the independent, he's actually a Trump voter and he says he's probably going to vote for Trump, but even he was super bored by him, but he actually made a really good point. He said, yep, what are you going to do for me in the next four years? And that applies both to the rambler and the mumbler, because Joe Biden never talks about the next four years. He keeps, whenever when they talk about policy, Joe Biden is like, I expanded NATO.

That is going to get you zero votes. That is so clueless. That shows you that he's surrounded himself with the elites and doesn't know how to appeal to the average guy at all. I talked to a guy in Milwaukee, he's 26 years old. He's like rent went up by $1,000. I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know what I'm going to do. I can't afford the rent.

You think he's worried about expanding NATO? So these guys in Washington are so coolest. And then what's Trump's big policy proposal from last night? Nobody's talking about it because we kind of assume that Donald Trump is full of crap and isn't actually gonna do anything he says. But you heard it there a little bit. He proposed Iron Dome for all of America, which I think would probably cost more than our entire GDP.

But I'm curious, do you have a real plan or you're just talking out of your ass, right? And even that though, that's not, hey, I'm. I'm going to get me help you to pay your rent or get better housing or health care or wages. And all Trump's got his grievances. And all Biden has is, hey, Jack, no Milwaukee. Come on. This is embarrassing. America is embarrassed with these two options. Yeah, I mean, picking up on that thread there about, you know, not like laying anything out, you know. And his, his like big policy proposal about the Iron Dome.

It's funny because if you actually look at the iron dome proposal, that came out of just a Trump ramble where he was like, hey, how come Israel gets an iron dome? We want an iron dome here. So it's a little bit of his America first policy. And if you actually think about it, it kind of speaks to where people are at when it comes to more wars for like abroad versus protecting you know, our homeland or like protecting this country. So he's actually taking a lane the Democrats are leaving out there, which is why is all of our tax dollars going to Israel? Why don't we have some of that money for here? And that's not the only way that Republicans have done this. They've done that with the term forever wars, right? Which you heard multiple times during the RNC.

And you also heard a lot of crap talking about NAFTA. J.D. Vance talked about NAFTA, which again, Republicans are so in favor of free trade. They love corporate greed. They love the corporations can hop around and country shop to the lowest common denominator, whoever's going to work for the lowest amount. They love that stuff. But they've taken up the fake populist lane. They've taken up the like fake isolationist lane.

And it's because Democrats have left it on the table because Democrats actually aren't countering with their own narrative and their own vision. And as you spoke to, Joe Biden is certainly not doing that. And that's what frustrates me to no end. Yeah, last two things I'll say on it is that this is the part of the convention you don't see. And I read a great article about it and I saw it with my own eyes in a lot of ways. I wasn't in the executive suites, but I saw all the lobbyists mulling around. So tons of donors and lobbyists, tons and tons of them were at that convention.

And they were meeting with all the politicians and all Trump's people. So all that fake populist talk that Francesca just referred to, you know is fake because then J.D. Vance and the other guys all rush up to the executive suites. And they're like, how did we do donors? How did we do lobbyists? Have we pleased you enough? I mean, this J.D. Vance telling me he's a populist when he's like, oh, I started a small business. Brother, you are a venture capitalist, okay? You're telling me that you're holding the bankers accountable. You are a banker. So these guys are frauds in 1,800. different ways. And finally, you know, the Rambler should have known to make the speech shorter because you got to know when to hold them and when to fold them. I think Francesca made a great point. The Democratic Party has ceded ground to the right, especially on issues related to war, through however you want to look at it, the way that Joe Biden has handled the crisis in Ukraine, the crisis in Gaza, and even just rhetoric over the the past 10, 20 years from the Democratic Party, it has become an increasingly militarized

party and that is antithetical to the history of the Democratic Party. One thing a lot of people want the Democratic Party to look like. So they have seized on that opportunity. You see it in the rhetoric. No wars under, no new wars under Trump. Of course, they don't count any of the extra judicial or unauthorized drone strikes, political assassinations, Anything like that. I'm not saying it's rooted in reality, but on the Iron Dome point, how is anybody squaring those two? Because that is just a total handout to the military industrial complex without, to my

knowledge, ever articulating what it would be for. What are we defending against? We're not constantly being attacked with missiles. We don't have drones, militarized drones flying overhead. the most recent thing I could think of that came into our airspace that created a national freakout moment was a wayward weather balloon. He has never laid out what a U.S. Iron Dome would look like. It would just be a massive transfer of American taxpayer dollars to the military industrial complex. Well, it's for the drag shows, Jordan. It just protects you against seeing any drag queens.

Yeah, all right. Don't give many ideas, Francesca. He might do it. He might use that in his platform. Okay, guys, we've got to take a quick break here. But when we come back, tons of news on is Joe Biden dropping out or is he not dropping out? And what do progressives think about whether Biden should drop out or not? Well, it depends on which progressive you ask. So we got a lot of amazing drama coming up. So stay right here. mean. We just did have National Hot Dog Day. I love this one. I love the Supreme Court one. I love the run dncy one. We'll show that to you throughout the show shop tyt.com. Everybody go vote. That's out there as well. Shop t.yot.com. Okay. And Jay Geiger, I believe. Yes, Jay Geiger just became a member through t.com slash team and hence became an American hero. You're awesome. We love you. Jordan. Take a look at this.

You have this growing list of Democratic lawmakers publicly calling for him to step aside. You have donations to the Biden campaign dropping off. And now we're told from sources close to the campaign, some of the people closest to the president, that they are privately admitting there is no clear path to victory with him at the top of the ticket. A person close to the president telling NBC news, quote, we're close to the end. Someone close to the campaign saying they're finally realizing it. It's a when, not if. Joe Biden is facing a new wave of calls for him to drop out of the race.

And some reporting indicates that he's finally coming to terms with the fact that he may have to step aside. But at the same time, his campaign is sending a totally different message and remains defiant in public. Before we get to that, let's talk about the many additional lawmakers who have asked Joe Biden to step aside just in the past 24 hours. hours. Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts, who had called for him to step aside previously, published an op-ed, joining those calls and expressing concerns about his mental capabilities.

He called Biden his mentor and friend and recounted a recent incident. I saw him in a small group at Normandy for the 80th anniversary of D-Day. For the first time, he didn't seem to recognize me. Of course, that can happen as anyone ages. But as I watched, the disastrous debate a few weeks ago, I have to admit that what I saw in Normandy was part of a deeper problem. Also today, Senator Martin Heinrich of New Mexico became the third Senate Democrat to publicly ask Biden to withdraw from the presidential race. He joins Senator Peter Welsh of Vermont and Senator John Tester of Montana. But we have breaking news because just minutes ago, another senator has called for Joe Biden to step aside, Senator Sherrod Brown from

Ohio, who is in a tight race against Bernie Marino or Republican Challenger for an absolutely pivotal Senate seat. He is, Sherrod Brown is the only Democrat who is one statewide in Ohio in over a decade. So that is absolutely critical, monumental announcement from Sherrod Brown. Four other House Democrats released a joint statement this morning calling for Biden to step aside, Democratic reps Jared Huffman, Mark Vizi, Chewy Garcia, and Mark Pocan declared their great admiration for Biden, but said it was time for him to pass the torch to a new generation of Democratic leaders. They wrote, at this point, we must face the reality that widespread public concerns about your age and fitness are jeopardizing what should be a winning

campaign. We believe the most responsible and patriotic thing you can do in this moment is to step aside as our nominee while continuing to lead our party from the White House. Throughout the day, 11 House Democrats made calls for Biden to step aside, and that includes Zoe Lofgren, Betty McCollum, Morgan McCarvey, and Greg Lansman, and others. Overall, 35 Democrats on the Hill have called for Biden to drop out. And according to some reporting, those close to Biden are starting to come around. members of President Joe Biden's family have discussed what an exit from his campaign might look like, according to two people familiar with the discussions. They have specifically discussed

how he would want to end his reelection bid on his own timing and with a carefully calculated plan in place. But publicly, his campaign denies any such discussions or considerations. White House spokesman Andrew Bates said, this is not happening, period. The individuals making those claims are not speaking for his family or his team, and they will be proven wrong. Keep the faith. But, and here is what Biden campaign manager, Jen O'Malley, Dylan, told Morning Joe. Take a look. Absolutely, the president's in this race. You've heard him say that time and time again. You know, I'm not here to say that this hasn't been a tough several weeks for the campaign. There's no doubt that it has been. And we've definitely seen some slippage in support. But it has been,

a small movement. He's absolutely in it. He's got to show that he is fighting for the American people. He's done that day in and day out since the debate. The president is the leader of our campaign and of the country. And he is clearly in our impression and what we've built and in our gaugment with voters, he's the best person to take on Donald Trump and prosecute that case and present his vision versus what we saw last night. And today, House Minority Leader Akim Jeffries confirmed to reporters that he's sticking with the Biden Harris ticket calling Joe Biden our nominee. Jank, you seem pretty confident, though, that Joe Biden is going to step aside. Do these comments from his campaign staff, from his allies make you feel any differently?

So, no, not at all. But where you are going to see a difference is not on whether he drops out. It's on when he drops out. So he should have dropped out approximately three weeks ago. But he keeps hanging on and hanging on. And every day his so-called legacy gets worse. Between you and me, between you and me, I say this on air. I don't give a damn about his legacy. Like everybody in Washington is, oh my God, people are being disrespectful to the president.

And we have to care so much about his feelings. No, we don't. We have to care about winning. Okay, your wages, your health care, your lives are on the line. I don't care about, oh, is there the powerful? What about their feelings? And it's his feelings that are making him stay in there. Oh, I want to be the guy who beats him.

I mean, look at that thing that Jen O'Malley Dillon said at the end there, that we're sure that he's the best candidate to be Trump. How could you possibly say that? I mean, that's just saying, if that's true, the rest of the Democratic Party is in massive trouble. None of the Democrats can walk. None of the Democrats can talk. I mean, you guys saw that clip of him getting off the plane. I saw another clip where it took him 45 seconds to get into a car.

He can barely walk. These people are, I mean, look, now that the gaslighting has worn off for 65% of Democratic voters and the rest of the country already knew it, right? They're beginning to see how much they were gaslit and how much the powerful paint a picture that has no connection to actual objective reality. But yesterday, as we were doing the coverage of the RNC, we laid out a marker. We said John Tester has now come out and said that he's not supporting Biden and he should drop out because he's running in a red state, Montana. And we said, now the real test will be Sherrod Brown because he's also in a very tough race in Ohio, which at this point is basically a red state. But Sherrod Brown has won there many, many years in a row, and he's a party loyalist. So if Sherrod Brown comes out, what that means is, A, again, it's like the 88th piece of evidence that it's over, and because a party loyalist wouldn't do that otherwise.

And B, it's almost the Biden team letting the vulnerable senators come out and say he should drop out before he drops out so they could say, what do you mean? I called for him to drop out. I saw what was happening. I saw the reality because they're worried about the Republican ads that are going to say, when did these liars know about Joe? Biden's condition and how long did they keep it hidden? So it's imperative for all these guys to come out before Biden drops out to say, oh, I was honest about it, man, even though they're doing it at the last second. And that's politics. And to that point, when I started the day, there was 23 congressmen, the first article I read, who were asking Biden to drop out.

Next time I looked there was 28, and now there's 35. So as I've been telling you, this thing is definitely over he has no chance of winning and they definitely realize that and the donor money's gone congress is gone no hope no prayer he cannot win this on his own without his own party backing him he's just dragging it out dragging it out because of his colossal uranus-sized ego curious planet to choose Brandy. Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that the polling shows that he is not helping, that down ballot, these senators who are in tough races are actually ahead. And yet Biden is behind in their same states.

That means he's not going to be helping them in their race. And obviously, Sherrod Brown is a perfect indicator for. for that. I think just stepping back a little bit, I think what a lot of people are upset about is that some of the same centrist that were circling wagons around Joe Biden a year ago, and we're telling us, no, there's nothing to be concerned about, just basically are now back, saying, actually, no, we were wrong, there is something to be concerned about. And I think rightfully, a lot of us progressives mistrust centrist. We mistrust centrist pundits. We even mistrust a lot of centrist polls, hello 2016. And my theory on this, and I know you guys, because

of your, you know, steadfast coverage and the way you guys have been covering it, maybe you agree. But my theory is that, look, there was a war and a genocide to support for the last nine, ten months and ongoing. And I think that a lot of those critics shut up when we decided to throw down with Israel and in killing Palestinians. And then after the debate, it became way too obvious. And a lot of those folks thought that this whole, you know, war in Gaza would be over by now, that they're now feel safe and more comfortable to actually speak up about Now, I'm not saying any of these centrist care about Palestinians, but I'm saying it's why they shut up about what they were seeing, save a couple of them. I think Ezra Klein was very open about

this, even, you know, early on last year. So I think that's rubbing a lot of progressives the wrong way. The other thing I want to say is it's about how. I agree with you. The writing's on the wall. It's how. If you ask me, it has to be an endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris. The way you protect your legacy is by actually handing the key. to your vice, someone who's been there by your side. And that is going to be really important if you're going to stand on some of the successes that the Biden administration has had, whether around labor or climate change, student debt relief, etc., etc., etc. But as we'll get to, that might not really be the case. And I'm fascinated for if it is not the case.

Yeah, I think I'm with you. It has to be. It has to be her. I want to save my comments on that for our next story. Nope. Don't agree. Don't agree at all. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just hold it. I know you've got a lot.

Just hold it in. But on the Senate races, I think that's a great point. And what we saw from them was just the most obvious transparent gas lighting. And that is starting to emerge in comments from White House staffers, from campaign officials. anonymously, of course, but Axios has been working their relationships and people inside the campaign and in the White House are just saying, like, this is ridiculous. You withheld his condition from us for months, maybe longer, and then he gets embarrassed on the debate stage. Like, what is happening here? Now you're telling us everything's fine. It's an isolated incident. It's clearly

not. And I'm with you 100%, Francesca, I wish it was Gaza. That was the catalyst for this. But I just, I don't even think they would, if the debate, debacle didn't happen, I don't think we would be having this conversation at all. I just, I don't, I just don't even a factor in their minds because they are so callous, so bloodthirsty. I don't know. And yet it's still a factor. They wouldn't bet an eye. And yet it's still a factor.

It's still a factor in keeping people from the polls in November. It's a factor for us who pay attention. It's not a factor for the elite. Yeah, no, no, guys, yeah, let's be clear. So two different things here that Jordan mentioned that are important. First of all, without the debate, would Joe Biden still have lost? If they had no debates at all, and we never, and the media never acknowledged, and the politicians never acknowledged the state that Joe Biden has been in for a long time, right?

They would have gone with Joe Biden all the way they wouldn't have cared at all because they were keeping him hidden. They all knew, they Nancy Pelosi knew, all the people that work with him knew. Come on, they can see every day. He can't talk, he can't walk, he can't finish any sentences. And they deal with them all the time. But they were going to keep all that from you. And they were just going to have them go down an assembly line. And they thought they were going to win that way.

But the problem with the debate for them had, of course, nothing to do with policy, nothing. Because these guys, look, let's again, these are stuff that on cable news or in Washington, they would take great offense at. But sorry if the truth offends you. These politicians are widgets. They're just widgets for donors. Look, Biden's not in charge. Is Biden sending policy right now? He can barely think.

No, the administrative state handles this. And the bureaucracy just does whatever the donors program the machine to do. So they don't care if it's Joe Biden or some other widget, right? But they're like, oh, this widget, people found out it's defective. So let's get rid of it and put in another widget. But the policy will always remain the same. There was no one who actually objected to what he was doing in Gaza. And now I'm sorry, but it's heartbreaking, but it's true.

The progressives who pretended to care the most about Gaza, all of a sudden are backing Biden the most. Why? What kind of maniacal twist is this? And then that's progressives basically raising their hand and saying, we didn't really care, we were just playing. So now that this guy who we said was, you know, we were troubled about the genocide that he was causing. Now they're like, rah, raw, stay in Joe Biden.

Why? Why? No one cares about policy in Washington. No one. And it's heartbreaking, but it's true. So, and look at what his campaign manager said on MSNBC there. She said, yeah, there's been some slippage, but it's around the numbers that it was before. You know why? Because he had already hit rock bottom.

He was already at 36% approval rating. This is what I've been telling you for a year straight. He's been at 36% going up and down a little bit, but right around that number for a year now. 36% is disastrous. He didn't go that much, he went down, but not that much down because he didn't have much down to go. He's already at the bottom. He never had a chance of winning. He was always this old.

The actual non-political people in this country, the ones that decide elections, had already out of 10 of them before the debate thought he was way, way, way too old. The only thing that was keeping him in the race was the assembly line of widgets. Okay, go keep moving along, move it along. And they're all going to do the same thing no matter what. So look, the good news is now in the list of congresspeople that Jordan read to you earlier is an interesting variety. What was keeping him partially afloat was him hiding behind identity politics, even though

he's an old white male, he's a congressional black caucus, congressional, congressional Hispanic caucus, you're gonna be racist if you were against me, right? Oldest trick in the book for establishment Democrats, but now the people that came out, first one from the congressional black caucus, several from congressional Hispanic caucus, and now he's being to lose the congressional progressive caucus, the people who should have lost in the first place. So, but again, don't think that it's, you know the timing, because Mark Halperin had this, you know, story about, Oh man, John Meacham's already writing his exit speech. And then John Meacham came out and said, that's totally false.

I don't know what the hell he's talking about, right? And I just want to say, hey, so you got to keep pushing us. So t.yt.com slash campaign slash dropout. The link is always in the description box tyt.com slash campaigns slash dropout. Go, Joe, you got to go, Joe, you got to go, and you got to go yesterday. Because every day's a day wasted, we got to pick a new candidate that could be Trump. Go ahead, Franny. Oh, no, I think we, I think we have to break, no?

Oh, we do. Okay. All right, well, hit that link in the description box. And then we'll talk about progressives, and we'll talk about whether it should be Kamala Harris when we come back. All right, back on TYT, Jank Jordan and Francesco with you guys. And also, M.K. Props and Gambit Rodriguez, those are all fun names. They just hit the join button below and instantly became American heroes. So we appreciate you guys, you make this show possible. And if you can, guys, go contribute at t.wit.com slash team to send us to the DNC and have the time of our lives.

I wonder if I get attacked there more than I do at the RNC. We'll find out, hopefully we'll find out. All right, Jordan, what's next? Take a look at this. If you are the kind of politician that wants, genuinely wants to be president of United States, a lot of those folks don't want that. They don't want to be shooed in eight weeks before an election starts. Because let me tell you something.

People think this election is in November. The convention is in four weeks and early ballots go out. The first early ballots in this country go out four weeks after that. This election is not in November. It's in September. It's in the end of September. It's in early October. Moments after the RNC concluded last night,

Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hopped on Instagram live to talk about the push for Joe Biden to step aside. During her nearly hour-long live stream, she detailed a few key points that she felt most media coverage has omitted in its reporting of the jockeying inside the Democratic Party regarding the ticket and that people are framing it as a much easier and frictionless move than it actually would be. We've gathered a few of her key points. First, the legal challenges that will likely occur if the ticket is changed. Take a look. That law that allowed that deadline to quote unquote change also gets enacted and

enrolled something like 60 or 90 days after passage, which now puts us in a legal gray zone. So whether you think it's above board or whether you don't think it's above board, I can tell you that it is guaranteed and is virtually guaranteed and it has been confirmed by the Republican Speaker of the House that Republicans are already preparing legal challenges to any name change on the ballot that may happen, occur, arise, or be possible. rules only allow the transfer of Biden's war chest to Vice President Kamala Harris, should she replace him on the ticket, which would result in another obstacle if the entire ticket was replaced, which she pointed out is what some of her colleagues actually want. Take a look. These rooms, I see what they say in conversations. A lot of them are not just interested in removing the president.

They are interested in removing the whole ticket. Then later in the stream, she explained electability questions and argued that some people take for granted Biden's popularity among older voters. She said pundits and members of Congress calling for Biden to step aside, take this for granted and wrongly assume that those voters would quickly get behind Harris or another candidate. Take a look. Joe Biden kind of like stops with older people, like electorally, which is one of the strongest and most consistent electorates.

And it's actually a hard electorate for Democrats to win. You know, those are not people that are on Twitter. Twitter, but they vote more consistently than almost any other bracket. So, Jenk, I know you've got some thoughts with her laying out what this actually looks like if Biden were to be replaced. Does it give you any pause at all? No, not 1%. I think she's totally wrong. So first, let me give her credit on two things and then tell you all the things that I disagree on. First of all, she was very humble throughout. And so, and I'm not.

Yeah, so give her credit for that, take away credit for me. Okay, so for what that's worth. Number two, she made one good point, which is the older voters, voters one that I just showed you. We've told you that in the past too, but she's right to emphasize that Biden not only does well with older voters, but is, has done better and better recently. So if Biden has any percentage chance of winning, it's because he'll win those older voters and they do vote more consistently. But I don't want that to be false hope for you because the number one thing that AOC is getting wrong there is she kept talking, and I watched the whole thing, she kept talking about risk. And she's like, well, if we change, there's going to be risk.

But there's also risk if you don't change. Yeah. And so that's what people, and it's a natural human thing that whenever there's change, people get scared and they think, oh, there's risk in change. But they never quite like, it's, again, it's normal and it's human. But there's also risk when you don't change, even though it doesn't feel as risky to stay on the same path. So the Ohio risk is minimal because they pass the law. There's no question about it.

But let's say maybe they could change their mind and do some sort of shenanigans. And I'll go all the way up to 5%. The Supreme Court, it would be maniacal for them to say, oh, Trump goes on the ballot, but the Democratic candidate can't go on the ballot. I mean, it would cause this country to split in a way that no one's ever seen before. And Justice Roberts isn't going to do that. But okay, fine, put another 2% risk there. A new candidate might not do as well. I mean, can't do as well as a guy who can't talk.

But I'll go crazy and give you 20% risk because you never know. You find a dead body for the new guy, you know, three months in, I guess anything could happen. But you add all that up, and we're still in the 20s and 30s on risk. Whereas Joe Biden's top advisors agree with me, he has a near 0% chance of winning. Okay, fine, let's not say it's zero. Let's say it's 5%. So on the Biden's staying in part, we have 95% chance of losing. That is 10,000 times more risky.

So I just think her analysis is totally wrong. And then in terms of what she brought to the table, like inside her knowledge and stuff, and she said, oh, I've been in some rooms. And I was all ears. And that's why I listen to the whole thing. Maybe she knows something I don't know. And she just kept saying two things. One is, well, they don't have a full plan laid out, like a full legal plan.

But we don't even know what absurd thing that the Republican lawyers are going to make up to do their nonsense challenges. There are no real challenges. All the ballots go after the Democratic convention. So you have to go to fantasy land to find some sort of objection where the Republicans can make something up, even though there's no reality to it, right? So I didn't see any new information there at all. And then the second thing she said was the least persuasive to me. She's like, I don't know if you know this.

And it seemed like that was the main reason she was doing this video. They might not pick Kamala Harris. Good. Why is that like? Oh my God. They might not pick the second least popular Democratic candidate? Fantastic. Where's the bad news?

And she made it seem like, did you know that? that they might not anoint the Democratic leader. I mean, my God, us progressives, we have to follow what the establishment says. Biden or Kamala Harris, I don't want anybody else. How is that the progressive position? It's not at all. So look, I think she's coming out of from good faith, but I think she's completely wrong. Yeah, I guess I'll just push back on that, Jenk.

I don't think we are even in a position to argue what the progressive position is. A progressive position is I think what you attempted to do, which was have a real primary. There's no real primary. And she opens that entire live saying there's not a lot of time left. And I think those of us who are progressive who actually want someone like Kamala Harris are not coming at this because we like Kamala Harris's politics. We're coming at this because it makes the most sense. She has the name recognition and she's literally on the ticket. So again, I think that the time for a progressive ideal, and I'm sorry to say this, has closed. But hey, maybe a brokered convention and we, you know, we give Bernie Sanders the old third try or

who knows, maybe there's someone I'm not thinking about. But I'm remembering and reminded of Nina Turner's op-ed recently where she said, look, this is a centrist fight. It's a centrist fight. The centrist shoved Joe Biden down our throats. It's a centrist fight. Now they're trying to pull him, let them fight. So that's where I'm at on this. But what I will say is that I do think Kamala Harris will bring two groups of people. And I don't mean to go identity, super identity politics about it, but it will give the voting base a shot in the arm, which it needs, and that is young people and people of color. Yes, older voters are more reliable, sure, but aren't they more reliable to vote Democrat no matter who is actually the nominee? Whereas

I know people who've told me, I will pick up the phone for Kamala Harris. I will actually do the work for Kamala Harris. You don't just go to individual voters. You need liaisons. You You need organizers, you need volunteers, and those people showed up in 2020, they flipped Georgia. And if you actually want to do that again, you're going to need a different candidate. And I think Kamal Harris would be good for that. That being said, I like the tea that AOC spilled. I like the tea a lot. And I do think that it is interesting to hear someone like, I like the crap talking where

she's like, these people are with anonymous quotes and blah blah, blah, I thought it was a good live and I agree she was humble. Yeah, I think, I don't think you characterized her arguments fairly, Jank. I think when you're talking about the anointing Harris. I mean, she wasn't framing it that way. The obstacle that she laid out was that you can't just transfer the war chest that Biden has, which is estimated to be around $100 million to anybody else. FEC rules govern here.

It can only go to her because she is the presumptive nominee. So you're potentially freezing on throwing away $100 million. And we just had we just talked the other day. What a bad decision. I think a lot of people had the same reaction after the failed assassination attempt. Whoa, you're going to stop campaigning during the RNC. Well, how do you think, what do you think they're talking about? They're talking about spending money on ads or talking about all of these things that

would, that money would be used for later in the cycle. So I think that it wasn't necessarily fair that she's upset about a coronation. It's just that that seems to be the most frictionless process. And then also within the context of that conversation in her live, she said the same people who are making these calls for Biden to step aside, not all of them, of course, but some of them don't want Harris. And she talked about the alignment that we find peculiar, but we've talked about before. How weird is it that we're on the same side as the elites and the donors who want Biden to step aside? We need to take a step back and think, okay, what do they want in this? Other than winning, other than defeating Trump, what do they want in this?

And if these are the same people who are also saying they don't want Harris, it's only fair to acknowledge that and ask ourselves why. Yeah, I know why, because they're worried she's going to lose, as I'm worried that she's going to lose. Like, is Kamala Harris some sort of secret progressive, and that's why they're worried? No, Kamala Harris is not at all progressive. So I don't know what Twilight Zone we're living in. So look, there's a bunch of things that I need to clarify. So number one, it's true that Biden cannot transfer his $100 million to another candidate that isn't Kamala Harris.

But that is very, very, very misleading because he could transfer it to a super PAC who could then spend it on any candidate they like. I don't think that's a real issue at all. Besides which, do you have any idea how much money the new Democratic candidate is going to raise instantly? they're going to raise billions of dollars that the donors are saying we want to give this vat of money but we don't want to give it to Joe Biden because he's definitely going to lose. So we're ready to give it to any Democratic campaign. You think that the donors are going to be like, don't worry about it. I don't need the new Democratic candidate.

Of course they're going to give him billions of dollars. And they can transfer them on number two. No, no, no, that's a different kind of spend though. That's a totally different kind of spend. You know that. Super PACs can't just pay to fund a campaign. about the money that would actually go to build out and stand up the campaign infrastructure. No, but Jordan, a new candidate is going to have billions of dollars for campaign infrastructure.

That extra $100 million, the super PAC can just spend on anti-Trump ads. Easiest thing in the world. They're going to have to spend a hundred million on the campaign anyway. You need the staff though, to get to get out the vote to build up the infrastructure. But Jordan, you're going to have the staff to a minute, Katzenberg and the time line is already and all those guys give you hundreds of millions of dollars in a minute. The timeline is tight. The timeline is tight. No, guys, it's going to happen instantly. They have all the money ready to go and they won't release it because Biden's the candidate.

We're saying the money could go to the super PAC, but it's also going to the campaign. It can't go to both. No, no, no. I'm saying the new donor money is going to get will be billions of dollars that goes to the Democratic candidate. No one disputes that. The extra 100 million that Biden has 100 to 200 goes to a super PAC and they run anti-Trump ads. Easy peasy. That is not at all a concern.

So second thing, that's a clarification. Look, there has not been great, Francesco is right that there has not been great polling on, quote, unquote, what progressives think. But there is a giant poll on what Democrats think. 65% of Democrats think that Joe Biden should drop out. There's no lack of clarity. Two-thirds of Democrats saying, for God's sake, move on.

We'd like to win instead of just guarantee a victory for Donald Trump. Number three, Kamala Harris, there's no reason to believe that she brings young voters. I've never seen her bring young voters. Young voters didn't like her at all in the primaries. So that's not true. So the black voters, maybe, but I've got on black radio. I've got on more media than you can imagine. And establishment black radio.

And they're split. There are some that say, oh, no, ride or die Kamala Harris. And there are others who are like, oh, on the other hand, we'd like to win. And by the way, the candidate we picked might be Westmore or Reverend Warnock, who are amazing speakers. So like. Reverend Warnock, first, like, that's just, I mean, I don't even know, like, what you're, I don't even know if you're serious or not, Jank. I mean, like, again, like a first term senator, barely won, like the name recognition just ain't there.

Like Senator Obama? Yeah, but, but very different with, with the timeline that we're working with. Kamala Harris was a first term senator, and she's done nothing as vice president. So she's in the same situation as Warnock. But she has, she mentioned in every top 10 of candidates. So my point is, look, why don't we pick the strongest one? Why would we want to anoint some rando? Why doesn't she go win it?

She would be a huge favorite. She would be a huge favorite. No, no, no. But she would be, if she has a gigantic favorite in the vice president, if she can't win enough delegates at an open convention, that means she's a loser and we shouldn't pick her. But she probably will win. And if she wins the convention, then she comes out 10 times stronger.

I think arguing for an open convention is a different argument than saying that she's not the strongest candidate. So I mean, I might agree with you on. No, no, no, this is obvious and definite. We, none of us know she's the strongest candidate. But an open convention will tell you who's the strongest one. So if you say don't have an open convention, you're saying, I don't want the strongest one. I just want Kamala. And that makes no sense.

But hear me out a little bit, doesn't it feel slightly anti-democratic? I mean, we've had a lot of critiques of the D.N. No, no, no, I know. And I say this, I'm not saying I know, again, coming at it with less hubris and more questions. I think we're all on the same page here of beating Trump. Okay, but it's like now we're saying, okay, well, the delegates can just decide for me. But it's like, I didn't go through a primary. And I understand the primary process in a lot of states was bunk and it was a shoe in for Joe Biden. But if people already cast their ballot for Joe Biden, then on the ticket is Harris, it does feel like, okay, are you going to just,

like come out of left field and nominate like a Pritzker on me? Like, do you understand what I'm saying? Like that feels like it's purely in the hands of delegates. No, okay, so let me explain my point of view. So I participated in that so-called primary. So do I believe that we should have done it through a real primary? Of course, they canceled several of those elections, as we've talked about a lot, and no one else has.

So it wasn't a real primary. And not only that, they wouldn't allow a debate, why wouldn't they allow a debate? because they knew Joe Biden was an absolute disaster, and they were trying to hide him, right? If they had done a debate in the primaries, we would have had a real democratic process. He would have lost, and he wouldn't have lost to me. But if we had a debate, he would have been humiliated, and then all the governors would have rushed in. Kamala Harris would have rushed in. That was the right way to do it.

But that ship sailed. It's gone. You can't undo it, right? So there's only two options left. One is, Democratic leadership comes in and says, I anoint. Kamala Harris, least Democratic option, obvious, inarguable. Or we let the delegates decide. Those are Joe Biden delegates, the most conservative Democrats in the country.

But at least it's some shred of democracy. It's not Nancy Pelosi and 10 donors in a room telling us who the candidates should be. It's all those delegates, 4,000-some-odd delegates actually having a debate, go, hey, and Pritzker wouldn't be a rando. If whoever wins the convention, and again, it's going to almost certainly be an establishment candidate. Don't get me wrong. I'm not like, I don't live in a fantasy world where somehow Bernie Sanders is going to win this thing or any progressive is going to win this thing. The best you could hope for is some sort of progressive adjacent person like Jamie Raskin

as VP. So, and that would be amazing and wonderful, right? But again, if you're anoint, then Kamala Harris annoys her VP and none of them are tested. If you test them at a convention And it turns out Pritzker does an amazing job of convincing the delegates, then he's your best candidate. Do you think that endorsement is anointment? No, because if Joe Biden says, hey, I think it should be Kamala Harris, but let's go to an open convention. Clyburn says I should be, I think it should be Kamala, but let's go to an open convention. No problem at all. Everybody can endorse whoever they like.

Got it. There was one thing I did, I did want to push back on also around her favorables with other demographics. You mentioned that you aren't seeing the younger voters. I don't think the primary is the best comparison because there were just so many options and everything broke out into weirdly different ways. The coalitions that were formed, how it shaped up. And also Bernie was just a uniquely popular figure. So when compared to Biden, for instance, at times Siena poll found that her favorables among voters under 30 was plus 20, Hispanic voters was around plus 17. obviously black voters was higher than Biden.

The only categories where Biden really outperformed Harris were older voters, like of course what Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez said, white people with the degree and white men. So it definitely is there. She is polling and she's much more liked among younger, diverse voters. And that is what led them to victory in. 2020, they all pointed to a young, diverse coalition of voters giving them the victory over Trump. They don't have that right now. And she can bring that. And other the other names that are being

thrown out, a lot of a lot of white people, a lot of untested, a lot of unvetted people. And while they might be good governors, I just, they don't have the profile that she does. And again, time is of the essence because people are going to start voting in late September. Yeah, look, here's what I don't like. Other guys are white. So what does that mean? Are they going to win or are they not going to win? I don't care what color they are.

I just care if they're going to win. So this is not like, hey, it's time to play identity politics patty cakes. We're up against Trump. And do we really mean it? Is democracy actually on the line? So by the way, Jordan, all those points that you made are perfectly good points. Now, the important caveat, they're vis-a-vis Biden. Biden, they're not vis-a-vis any other candidate like Westmore or Andy Beshear or Gretchen

Whitmer, right? But even so great, she can make those points at the conventioning. She can say, look at all this great polling that is on my side. Look at this energy that I'm gonna bring. And she's a huge favorite as the vice president. If she can't win at a convention, she can't win the general election. I think I'm in agreement with that. I am in agreement with an endorsement from Biden, but also an open convention. I also just think, look, low information voter, you've got to go with name recognition. I think it's bonkers to think that someone would have a leg up on a vice president. Okay, last couple of things here. First of all, t-y-t.com slash open convention. Please, if you're on the side of open convention, please sign that.

It's links in the description box always when either we're live or you see this video later. T-y-t.com slash open convention if you want the strongest possible Democratic candidate. And then, and by the way, again, I'm going to say it for the second time because it's so important. Kamala Harris could easily win the convention and she could prove herself at the convention. And she's also been better lately. There was a lot of words salad for a long period of time and a lot of stagnation. She didn't do much as vice president. But lately, she's been giving some good speeches.

And it got me excited. So she wins at the open convention. Terrific. Then everyone is happy, right? So, and lastly, look, back to the racial politics, if something really bothered me in what AOC said, she said, you know, my community is the most affected. And it seemed to imply, hence, we have to defer to them. But wait a minute, what does that mean?

That's such an absurd point. What if your community is wrong about who's the most viable candidate and you don't speak for your community? And by the way, we're losing your community right now. Trump's leading with Latinos. That's who she was referring to. And okay, I could pull the same Trump card, all right? But my community is even more affected, Muslim Americans.

Donald Trump says he might kick us out of the country. So does my opinion now win? I win the identity politics lottery and Muslims are the most affected. That's it. You have to choose who I want. Absurd. Stop saying that crap. Now, if you want to say it in the context of, hey, I'm going to deliver a lot of Kamala Harris can deliver a lot of Latino voters,

black voters, et cetera, and here's the numbers behind it like Jordan did. Okay, no problem. That's a good case to make at the convention. But don't tell me that any community gets to veto other communities. It doesn't work that way. I disagree. Yeah, okay. I mean, we can disagree all day long.

But there's no way that I'm going to say, oh, you're Asian, then you win. Oh, you're Latino, you win. It's about the most vulnerable. But I agree with you that, ironically, the same people that she wants to protect. are the people that Joe Biden has actually isolated. There's some of his terrible immigration policies and obviously this ongoing genocide on the people of Gaza.

So like you're wrong and right. Do you know what I'm saying? But we have to not for you. We wouldn't be progressive if we didn't think about the most vulnerable in this country. Who the hell else will be fighting? Yeah, but the most vulnerable

are the ones that are going to get the hurt the most when Trump wins. When we picked the crappiest candidate because some random Latina raised her head and said, I speak for the most vulnerable community And I demand this. No, no, no. That's not how it works.

My community is the most vulnerable. We're getting slaughtered in Gaza. So that's it. Everybody shut up. I'm now the new king. This is insane logic. Insane logic. No, we all vote.

We all participate. And we all pick the best possible candidate, no matter what community they come from. That's my opinion. If you say no, there's special magic communities who should have 10 times the vote. I disagree massively. Okay, so I'm sorry that I butchered your point of view, Francesca and Jordan. I acknowledge that I was over the top, okay?

But you set you, but you get all of our points of view. You're talking to someone, but it ain't me. But okay, Jane, get it out. Yeah, I don't know what vulnerable community means. So what if they're in a vulnerable community. That, it doesn't affect, here's what I mean, Francesca. It doesn't affect who the best candidate is. You're gonna hurt the most vulnerable community

if you pick a crap event candidate. I never made that point. I'm actually, I'm telling you that. I'm telling you there are more vulnerable communities. And yes, they would be more affected by Donald Trump. But absolutely, Joe Biden is a massive liability. And he's done nothing to bring them over to his side. So I'm saying like, can we avoid the grand flattening that like, you know,

there are people who were fine under Trump. Ironically, all of these elites who are telling Biden to drop out. It's like, I think Clooney was actually really chill for four years under Donald Trump. You think that dude suffered? No, we got a tax break under Donald Trump. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Yeah, okay, you all hear our points of view as hyperbolic as I can get. I hope you got the main points and I hope you got all of our point of view and make up your own mind.

And if you agree with Open Convention, for God's sake, t.com slash open convention. I love you guys, thank you for making those important points. This is what we do at TYT, we have real discussions. We're massively over time, we gotta go. Panel coming up for you guys. It's going to be amazing. Stay right here.