The Young Turks - Michelle Wolf, North Korea, Kanye West and Trump Paralympics

Episode Date: April 30, 2018

A portion of our Young Turks Main Show from April 30, 2018. For more go to http://www.tytnetwork.com/join.  Hour 1: Hannah Cranston, Mark Thompson, & Brooke Thomas. Michelle Wolf’s jokes at the White House Correspondents dinner and criticism for verbal bullying. Correspondents dinner has gotten way off track. North Korea is closing a nuclear test site. South Korea’s leader thinks Trump should will the Nobel Peace Prize.  Hour 2: Kim Horcher, Mark Thompson, & Hasan Piker. Kanye West has called Emma Gonzales his hero, she names James Shaw Jr as hers. Donald Trump says its a little tough to watch too much of the Paralympics.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Perfect. And Brooke Thomas, who is also a regular over here at TYT, a regular on my show, Think Tank. I'm just going to shamelessly plug my show while plugging you. YouTube.com slash Think Tank. We have an awesome show today. We're going to get into all of the controversies surrounding the correspondence dinner that happened in D.C. this weekend. I have a controversial take on it. I do. So we're going to get into that in just a minute. We're also going to talk about what's going on in North Korea and South Korea. And then my favorite story of the day is about the NRA, which is sounds counterintuitive. But I saw it this morning, and I honestly, I mean, as a journalist, I always double and triple check my sources.

But I, like, quadruple check this. I, like, checked it a thousand times because I was like, this is too good to be true. It reads like an onion piece. It does. It absolutely does. So we have an awesome show for you guys. So, like, let's just jump right to it. The White House Correspondence dinner celebrates freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

And it is getting some bad press for a free speech performed by Michelle Wolth. Now, a lot of journalists that were present at the dinner think that she went too far. And some of her boldest jokes had to do with abortion. She said, Mike Pence is also very anti-choice. He thinks abortion is murder, which, first of all, don't knock it till you try it. And when you do try it, really knock it. You got to get that baby out of there. I know a lot of you are very anti-abortion, you know, unless it's the one you got for your secret mistress. Okay? Also, she took aim at Kelly Ann Conway, saying, it's like

that old saying, if a tree falls in the woods, how do we get Kelly Ann under that tree? I'm not suggesting she get hurt just stuck. And then, of course, she went after Mika and Joe. So it wasn't only for the conservative party. She also went after MSNBC of Morning Joe and said, congratulations, you guys. It's like when a me too works out. But the most controversy surrounding her routine has to do with her bit about Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Let's take a look.

We are graced with Sarah's presence tonight. I have to say, I'm a little starstruck. I love you as Aunt Lydia on the Handmaid's Tale. Mike Pence, if you haven't seen it, you would love it. Every time Sarah steps up to the podium, I get excited because I'm not really sure what we're going to get. You know, a press briefing, a bunch of lies, or divided into softball teams. It's shirts and skins, and this time don't be such a little bitch, Jim Acosta. I actually really like Sarah.

I think she's very resourceful. Like she burns facts, and then she uses that ash to create a perfect smoky eye. Like, maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's lies. It's probably lies. And I'm never really sure what to call Sarah Huckabee Sanders. You know, is it Sarah Sanders?

Is it Sarah Huckabee Sanders? Is it Cousin Huckabee? Is it anti-Huckabee Sanders? Like, what's Uncle Tom but for white women who disappoint other white women? Oh, I know. Aunt Coulter. All right. So that was a little scathing to say the least.

Now, many are really upset that she went after Sarah Huckabee Sanders looks. She went after the comments about her being a softball coach, Aunt Lydia from The Handmaid's Tale. And a lot of people are still upset about the smoky eye comment. Even Tommy Lauren said she thought it was awful that she took aim at a woman this way. I didn't know Tommy Lauren was now a feminist, but apparently she is. But Sarah's dad was actually the most upset at this commentary. He said, those who think that the tasteless, classless bullying at the White House Correspondent Center

was an example of the First Amendment should never condemn bullying, bigoted comments, racist, bile, or hate speech. People should be free to speak, but held accountable for it. So he's essentially equating what Michelle Wolfe had to say about his daughter with hate speech, which is a false equivalent there. He also says, after seeing the young female hired, which is absurd and sexist in itself, the way he phrased that, but continuing, hired to verbally bully anyone who worked for real Donald Trump, I now understand why eating Tide pods is popular.

That level of vulgarity is best handled with a mouth washed out with soap. Have some more Tide pods. Yeah, go for it. Is that a piecey way of saying, kill yourself? No, I think he's... Tide pods are dangerous. Right, of course they're dangerous. What he's saying is like wash out your mouth because it's vulgar.

She's saying something that's vulgar. But, I mean, the interesting part about this is that he's so against this verbal bullying, especially against his daughter who's a woman and it's like, okay, but you're defending Donald Trump who verbally bullies women on the daily basis he calls them pigs, he calls them dogs, he says they have blood coming out of wherever

and not saying either are right but I'm just saying like you get to one of the other you know what I mean? And this comes right after he really stood up against PC culture. He said that people shouldn't watch his show

if you're easily offended and warn them not to tune in because they're going to get triggered and need a pony, popsicle, and Play-Doh to cope. So what he says is okay, but whatever a comedian says about his daughter, about his administration, is not okay. A lot of times that's what we deal with, though, it's not a problem unless it affects you. So I guess if that's the punishment, if that's how you handle something that triggers you, then don't watch it. So it seems pretty, it already aired, so it seems pretty easy to not watch it. If that's, if that's how he deals with, is it free speech or is it free speech is really

like what it comes down to. Of course you're right. I mean, look, you can't be surprised that Mike Huckabee comes to the rescue of Sarah Huckabee. I mean, that's just, you know, if he didn't do that, I'm sure he wouldn't be able to live with himself. On the other hand, he's a total hypocrite. He's a hypocrite in so many other ways beyond just this one. But, but yeah, he's constantly making fun of liberal snowflakes and how we get triggered by things. And then, of course, he is super triggered by what went down at the White House correspondence dinner. Now, so again, his defense of his daughter, I can completely understand. I hope my dad would defend me if somebody went after me regardless of what it was for. I hope my dad would kind of, I don't blame him for being

his backup about that. I feel like if I showed up to participate in a roast and somebody roasted me, I think my mom, I don't think she would flip out about it. Yeah, well, I don't know. It would My mom roast me, but if somebody roasts me, that's my daughter. You know what I mean? Like, there's that distinction when it comes to, you know, parental protection. Do you sign up for, though, by showing up? Well, I mean, I think it's great that she showed up. I think it's a good sport that she showed up.

I think, like, here's where I stand on this. I think a lot of Michelle Wolfe's jokes were edgy, right? They were definitely edgy, and she pushed the envelope. Were any out of bounds? But I don't think so. I think that she was there. I don't personally condone any sort of jokes or shaming about somebody's weight or their looks and things like that. I think even when people go after Donald Trump's appearance, that kind of rubs me the wrong way.

But you're in free reign to do so. So, but did she go after that a little bit? So she's, like, I think what people are saying is that she did that with the softball and Aunt Lydia. So did she? Is that out of bounds? I don't think it's out of bounds. Is she saying that softball coaches are unattractive? I think that seemed to be like easily more like a joke on how she kind of like aggressively

like yells out reporters' names and kind of like doles out who gets to talk and no, you're done talking. And now this is that's kind of what I got it. And as far as the handma's out, I immediately took it too by the way. I immediately took it as she's saying, hey, you are a woman who is pushing these misogynistic policies to the people, which is what Aunt Lydia does on the handma cell. And anything otherwise without her saying it would be. be that the people who are offended are saying that

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you know, present. To be fair, it's tough to put a compliment out of that little run. I mean, it didn't feel like a compliment. But, but, but, look, apart from that, I, I have to say, honestly, and I love a club comedy, edgy comedy. But this, um, this idea that's become a roast where you can just blow torch everybody in the room, maybe it's gone a little too far. You think she went too far? I do. I mean, I think that the, look, I, first of all, I loved her material. it was really funny. I mean, laugh out loud funny. But if it were up to me, I would have pulled a little bit of that abortion stuff

out. I thought it was rough. You've got to know your room a little bit on that. And maybe you say, well, I know, Mark, you know, the room is the USA. Okay, maybe that's different. I'm talking about playing that room there. And having some general respect for people's sensibilities. But please don't misunderstand me. I loved her stuff. I thought it was edgy. And this is what you're going to get when

you hire somebody who's that kind of comic. But more fundamentally, this White House Correspondence dinner is crap. They shouldn't have had it. I've always said it. It's way too cozy. It's a celebration of, I don't know what. If it's journalism, they should take a minute and talk about where journalism is gone. I mean, there are a handful of outfits that are still doing journalism, but most of it's doing intense discussion speech like CNN and Fox News and MS and all the rest.

The real investigative stuff is being done here at TYT, but also in a lot of different print areas across the Internet. And so I don't see them as journalists anymore. I see them as celebrities who are all going down on each other on this night of the White House Correspondence Dinner. So the whole thing is garbage. And they've gotten so into these stunt bookings of comics who are then so edgy. And then afterward, everybody's clutching their pearls going on.

Was Jimmy Kimmel too difficult to take? Was Stephen Colbert too in the face of George Bush? It was what you get when you hire that kind of comic. Yeah, I think I make a really good point, right? Because the entire night is supposed to show the relationship between journalists and politicians, right? And then they're trying to, they were upset essentially by this because they're still trying to hide behind this cloak of impartiality, right? And they're not. They're not impartial.

They're not unbiased. Like, that's impossible. They're still trying to say, oh, no, we're neutral journalists, and that's just not the case, right? And so when she's saying these things that are so pointed, I think they start to get uncomfortable because they have, through their reporting and through their sensationalism, have just completely normalized some of the behavior and some of the things that are going on in the White House. And she even called them out on that. She says, you've, like, enabled this monster, you've created him, you are perpetuating this. Like, it's your fault. And they don't want to hear that.

they're not self-reflective, and I think that's what they're most uncomfortable with. And I think what they did is use Michelle Wolfe as a scapego. Well, I mean, like, initially, isn't this supposed to be, and it wasn't even supposed to be about, like, chumming up and showing the relationship between the subjects and the people who cover the subject. It was really supposed to be a dinner to celebrate these journalists who do the hard work. And I think the reason the Times, the New York Times, they don't participate in this anymore because it has become kind of this celebration that shows you kind of partying and

chumming up to the people that you were supposed to be. holding accountable. And it goes back, is it free speech or is it free speech? So is this going too far? I think that these hard news kind of operations, they have all these payola rules and you can't even accept gifts from people that you cover. But then you have a major, massive NBC and MSNBC party that Sarah Huckabee Sanders was at after this when she was so upset. So is that okay? But that's the thing is they are trying to, I mean, I've been to the correspondence dinner. And what happens is like in this room before the dinner, They all are in the same room, right?

All of the journalists, all of the politicians, they're all schmoozing, right? Because what these journalists want are access. It's that appropriate. Well, look, journalism in Washington does involve chumming around. And journalism in Washington does involve going out for a drink or dinner with a source or maybe even with a high profile political figure. So there is chumming going on already. We know that.

That's the way to get a source to open up to you. That's the way to get an inside track on certain stories. Having said that, it's grossly perverted in this process of the White House correspondence dinner. It's become some kind of Oscars-type thing where you sit there and the next day you do this post-mortem on the host. It's, forget it. Scrap the host, get back to journalism, and you guys should celebrate real journalists and the work that real journalists still do, those who are still doing it. And then it should all go to the scholarship fund or those things that are associated with supporting journalism and free speech and the media in this country. But we've gotten way off track with this, as I say, this celebration of each other.

It's just a self-congratulatory load of crap. Yeah, I think that's a great point. All right, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to be talking about North Korea and South Korea and what President Moon actually said about President Trump. You're right in the middle of this podcast. We've got another great segment coming up for you. If you'd like the full show, which is actually five segments, go to t-y-tnetwork.com slash join.

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We're doing great on time, and I don't want to wreck it for everyone. Kanye West. has called Emma Gonzalez his hero. But instead of referring back to him, she is instead referred to James Shaw Jr., the hero of the Waffle House shooting instead. So recently we have these tweets from Kanye himself. He has been going on a fun media blitz,

but recently he tweeted, my hero Emma Gonzalez, with a picture of her, followed by, inspired by Emma, shaved his head, Took me a while to get that one. And then Emma's response, James Shaw Jr., who actually, I would describe strongly as a hero. I did a Facebook video on this recently, but James Shaw Jr. is the one who stopped the gunmen of the recent Waffle House shooting with his bare hands. A good way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with no gun.

And he has not been acknowledged by Trump at all, which I would think I would categorize. as this as epic levels of cowardice? Because James doesn't seem to fit into current narratives of civilians needing automatic rifles or white supremacists not being normalized. Is that the word? And I would call this man a bona fide hero. And I agree with her. But there's no question about it. It was a great response. There's no question about it. He's a hero who really, as you say, hasn't been recognized at the highest levels, the way, normally leadership in the case of this president, President Trump, normally likes to sort of wrap himself around heroic messages. But I think Kim's right. I mean, this guy doesn't fit a lot of

the narrative that this administration is about. And as a result, this story goes orphaned, at least in terms of being recognized as a hero. But yeah, Emma really did. I mean, when you look at Emma and James, they're both people who are similar to each other and that they're standing up for a cause that isn't completely narcissistic. I think Kanye sees a lot of himself in Trump because, well, I did listen to his two songs that he released this weekend, not the one that goes poop-de-scoop, but the other one in which he says, Obama was heaven-sent, but Trump proved that I could be president, he sees himself as an outsider like him, because he has constantly tried to get acknowledged by

people with power and fame. I think he's done songs about not being recognized by the fashion industry. But also, you'll remember President Obama epically denied him a relationship. He called him a jackass. He never took him seriously. And he's complained a lot about him and his wife not being taken seriously. And I think he sees himself in Trump. I think the easiest way of just never to be taken seriously by anyone except for bad faith political actors like those at Fox News is,

to tweet out consecutive rants about how the Democrats actually created the KKK and that the Republicans were the ones who were responsible for the slaves being freed, completely discounting, you know, like the last 40 to 50 years of history. It's absolutely absurd

that this person, a 40-year-old man, is only just learning about you know, American history and the fact that he's talking about how the tired old Dinesh D'Souza trope, of how Democrats are the true racist ones.

And remember the KKK was created by the Democrats? Like all of these insane things is mind-boggling to me. And I'm a very outspoken Kanye advocate. I even went up against Jank on Twitter. And I was like, you're wrong. Kanye is a musical savant. And like, he's just doing this to sell albums. And now I feel terrible because.

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Check it out today. I'm not sure. It's very hard to tell. Well, he's definitely a marketing wizard, but, you know, they do, Trump and Kanye share something, right? They are both empty vessels. As you say, he's just now hearing all this stuff that he's regurgitating. It's just being fed to him, you know, everything from slavery to whatever. The civil rights movement. Yeah, exactly. I mean, literally he has no sense of anything that's not related to him.

this completely leave aside the music. Now we're talking about the political forums. And he's got the fame that Trump had, right? So he's the empty vessel and the fame. So in that sense, he is like Trump. I mean, Trump and he are kissing cousins. I don't know that he's empty, because I know at least at one time he created art

that really inspired people. And at this point, I think he's been famous for so long. He's gotten kind of isolated at insular. He doesn't take constructive criticism. He views it as like attacks to him, very much like President Trump. And I think over time, his grip on things that are real to people has loosened. I mean, it almost feels like he thinks that classicism is the same as racism at this point, and it's not. But he's not even like fully talking about classes as me either.

I think that's a really good point. But one thing I wanted to say is that Kanye is like performatively trying to be a centrist now, which is one of the most annoying type of people that you can be on the internet. The whole both sides are bad, but both sides are also good. We should love one another. Argument kind of falls the pieces when one side is literally advocating for, you know, ethnic cleansing or an ethno state. We saw that happen with Donald Trump trying to defend Nazis at Charlottesville. And Kanye West is doing that.

And the reason why I think it's performative is because while he is consistently blasting out misinformation about the Democratic. he then follows that up with this like very performative photo of Emma Gonzalez saying Emma Gonzalez is my hero. But well, and then not really following that up with any sort of liberal principles or any sort of democratic principles. There was something from one of the text messages he got earlier today was about how socialism is so terrible for the world that you would have to be intellectually dishonest not to see it. It's all alt-right red pill maga bullshit, coated with a little bit of performative wokeness on the side to bring back liberals, or maybe to

anger conservatives by posting a photo of Emma Gonzalez. It's really not clear what he's doing, because on one hand, he's doing this pro-tump, Trump Maga stuff, and then Emma, like, picking up all right followers, dropping all right followers. I don't know what he's doing, so that leads me to think, maybe he's just doing this for attention. It wouldn't be crazy. Everything Kanye does is for attention. Everything Kanye does is for Kanye, and he admits that. And that's very similar to Donald Trump.

And it just sad that, I mean, we cover identity politics a lot on the show. And, you know, I have this conversation with my black friends all the time. It's like being a black American is identity politics. Like, everything you do is somewhat political. And I understand, just like Chance the rapper even said, like, you can be black and a conservative. But the then turn around and promote. one of the most, one of the more transparently racist administrations in history is kind of a sad way to market yourself or market your album and I thought Kanye would be at least a little bit

aware of that or he would be above that but apparently he's not and it's made me and a bunch of other Kanye fans very sad. I think it's just perfectly ironic that Emma brought in James Shaw Jr. into this considering that element of racial politics, that element

of why can't this hero be recognized or why can't this act of terrorism be acknowledged in any way by the president? And it isn't. It simply isn't. Instead, we're looking at purely narcissistic things. It's a circle almost or triangle rather. Let's move on to our next story. Also involving our president. President Trump hosted a White House ceremony on Friday to celebrate and praise American athletes who competed in the 2018 Olympic Games. And in that speech, he called Paralympians tough to watch. Let's take a look at a video. So today, on behalf of the United States, I want to thank every Olympian and Paralympian. And that was just incredible. And what

happened with the Paralympics was so incredible and so inspiring to me. And I watched, it's a little tough to watch too much, but I watched as much as I could. It was really fantastic and I want to thank you. So some other Olympians didn't like this characterization. Specifically Adam Rippin, who competed in the 2018 games, said

in a tweet, Olympians from the 2018 games have been invited to go to the White House today. I will not be going. I will not stand with people who discriminate against those who they perceive as different. In lieu of going to D.C., I have donated to a few of my favorite causes. Those included Red Cross, Glad.

And it listed several other Olympians in that tweet below sub-tweet that would also not be attending, including Chloe Kim. The Paralympic Games also chimed in on this saying record numbers around the world are not finding Paralympics tough to watch. Billions of viewers now take the Paralympics in hundreds of countries around the world. We hope the U.S. President continues to watch and be inspired by the Paralympics. So, tough to watch. You could characterize this as him saying he doesn't have enough time to watch this. I would say, cut down on Fox and Friends, you will find plenty of time to watch the Paralympics. But I think there's a lot of evidence to show that he does mean, probably the meaning that Rippin and the Paralympic Games got.

He has, let's say, a history of making fun of people with different abilities than himself, including a reporter that he mocked. I think we have that on video. so what happens is the Washington Post writes an article and one of the paragraphs it says and by the way this was right after September 11th this was September 18th and right after sort of an amazing thing right after a couple of good paragraphs it's and it's talking about northern New Jersey draws the prober's eye written by a nice reporter now the poor guy you got to see this guy. Oh, I don't know what I said. I don't remember. He's going like, I don't remember. Oh, maybe that's what I said. This is 14 years ago. He's still, they didn't do a retraction.

14 years ago, they did no retraction. Trump has also been noted in reportedly making fun of John McCain, who is a war veteran who was captured and suffers disabilities to this day. From that, he has also made fun of Mitch McConnell in a similar way, though he does cut himself slack for his abilities. For instance, he did cite bone spurs for a five-time deferment from serving the country. And then was chauffeur through Sicily last year in a golf car rather than walk with other G7 global leaders. So at least he's nice to someone about their abilities. I love stories like this. I mean, it's obviously terrible.

Like, why say it, right? It's just so obvious. But the reason why I love stories like this is because I love watching people who have called themselves intellectuals for the past, however many years, retroactively try to assign any sort of cogent thought or intelligence to what Trump is saying at any given moment because he is an absolute idiotic, narwhited. narcissistic man baby, and he'll say, whatever. In this instance, he was literally looking for praise. Like, he was like, guys, I watched the Paralympics. Like, being a president's very tough. It was tough to watch, but, you know, I watched parts of it. Won't you congratulate me? Like, how stupid can you be? But then you have, you know, a ton of people that graduated from freaking Harvard trying to be like, no, no, no, he was actually saying because he was saying

that it was tough to watch because, you know, our president is so hardworking. There's just, like, sweating the entire time trying to be like, come on, just shut up, Trump. Don't say anything else. I mean, it's such a confirmation bias, for sure. I mean, I have people, I did a video about like Trump being a jerk like this, and they wrote like, he would be like Indiana Jones and beat up the Nazis. No, he wouldn't. First of all, if he has alleged bone spurs, he can't do this. It's just ridiculous to see this being argued with absolutely no evidence and to have these ideas kind of just reflected on this person. Remember he was also criticizing the Broward County police where he said, sorry to call you off,

he was like, I would have ran inside. I would have absolutely ran inside. He's such a coward, but he thinks he'll be able to do this stuff. And to me, that speaks to the heart of all of the Maga Chuds because they too feel like they would be John Rambo when the situation arose. They too feel inappropriately that they have, they excel physically. They also believe white supremacy. So they look at a guy like LeBron and think, like, I'm better than him because my skin is the fair color. They all talk tough. He is a boorish a hole. That's not a breaking news story. We know Trump's a boorish a hole. And so when he says boorish a whole things, you can't really be surprised. This is extraordinary. I think as Haas says, he kind of like,

you know, just saying what comes to mind because he really is just that. He's just a bunch of reflexes. And then he just starts talking. And then, of course, there's hypocrisy. And sort of this insane hypocrisy when it comes to his own physicality or lack thereof when it comes to actually examining what he says. But, yeah, don't try to make sense of it. He is just a boorish ahole. And so he says that stuff that falls into that category. For the record, though, I do appreciate him mocking John McCain and also Mitch McConnell. Those two are, well, not John McCain as much, but Mitch McConnell is one of the most evil people to ever walk this planet.

and responsible for many of the terrible things that have happened in this society, I think you should get a pass for mocking him. I don't know what he exactly mocked of Mitch McConnell, but like Michelle Wolf talked about how Mitch McConnell was not able to make it to the White House correspondence dinner because he had to get his neck circumcised. Like, that's funny. Sorry. I mean, I think that's, I don't want to do that kind of thing, which is, I think it's really bottom of the barrel, too. when someone is disgusting and deplorable

and completely full of greed and acting against humanity to just criticize them for the way they look if you criticize someone for the way they or your work in a debate is to say well you're ugly or you have a disability you've already lost the debate that's something children do no you're much nicer person I'm

I'm not saying I'm right for doing this I just I'm childish as hell but I also think it's funny to mock Mitch McConnell for looking like a turtle when he has arguably done things that are so morally reprehensible and has devastating impact for millions of Americans, potentially millions of disabled Americans. Absolutely. But mock the turtle within. Yeah. Mock the policies. Yeah, mock the policies. That's, yeah, that is a more evolved and I think sensible course. But to your point, McConnell and McCain both.

McCain is, if you just look at his policies, forget about his service. McCain is, I'm sorry, he's a horrible guy. Oh, I agree. And an absolute showboat. Just putting that out there. I like the showboat part of all of us. We are going to go to break, but when we come back, we're going to talk about Bill Cosby. Thanks for watching.

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