The Young Turks - Moral Low Grounds

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, back on TYT, at least I'm back on TYT from yesterday. Anyways, Jake Ugra, Anna Gosparin with you guys. We do have a great show for you guys. Of course. Beautiful show.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Well, I don't know about beautiful given today's news, but. Listen, there's comedic relief in the second hour that you do not want to miss. Agreed. Yes. Obviously we've got some tragedy in the first hour. We'll get to Gaza, Israel in a second. But also tragedy within the Republicans, which is awesome. It just doesn't end.
Starting point is 00:01:21 The clown show that stretches to infinity. So, and beyond. So we'll get to it in a little bit. little bit. All right, Casper. Well, obviously, we begin with an update on the war in Gaza, but there is a different angle to the story that I think is worth discussing, which is the ongoing violence in the West Bank, directed toward Palestinians living there, occupied region of Israel. So with that said, let's get to the details. For the first time in years, a Palestinian refugee camp is under Israeli curfew.
Starting point is 00:01:59 that began in the early hours of Thursday in Noor Shams near Tulkarim in the north of the occupied West Bank is showing no signs of ending. The violence in the Middle East, in Gaza in particular, has unfortunately expanded beyond Israel and Gaza, and is now spilling over specifically into the West Bank, where protesters have grown significantly since the explosion at the Al-Ahti Hospital. Now the Palestinian Health Ministry has said that Israeli forces killed seven Palestinians during raids on the Nur al-Shams refugee camp on Thursday. Health officials said that one of the victims was a 16-year-old boy, something you should keep in mind as they give you more details, especially in regard
Starting point is 00:02:47 to the excuses used in regard to the killing of these individuals. The Palestinian Red Crescent said its medics treated 25 people in Nurshams. the majority for gunshot wounds. Now the Israeli military said in a statement that it was continuing to operate in the Nur al-Shams camp to thwart terror activity. So I'm guessing the excuse in shooting and killing a 16 year old was that he's a terrorist, I'm sure. Now sadly, that's just the latest in a trend of increasing violence.
Starting point is 00:03:21 At least 61 people, including children, have been killed in the occupied West Bank since It's October 7th when Hamas launched its unprecedented surprise assault on Israel, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health there. More than 1,250 have been injured. And just last week, armed settlers attacked an apartment leaving four Palestinians dead. Here's more on that. 12 year old Abdul Rahman can't sleep at night. His sister, Rabia, says he's too scared to be alone.
Starting point is 00:03:56 This home in the village of Husra, just south of Nablus, was attacked by Jewish settlers. You can see them here in this video, lobbing rocks, and firing at the property, shattering the windows. Inside, the floor littered with glass, scars of bullets scraping the walls, a bleak emptiness. Four local Palestinians were killed in this attack. On the way to their funeral the following day, two other locals. Ibrahim and his son, Ahmed Wadi, also shot dead. Images of the lost plaster the walls in Khosra.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Hani O'Day is the mayor here. His community lives in fear, he says, constantly attacked by Jewish settlers. And he says it's getting worse. Joe, say it. The situation is so, so bad. You can't even describe it. We're living in a devastating psychological state. None of us can sleep.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Now just to give you a few more details about the funeral killings, Hani Ode, which is Kusra's mayor, said that he had informed a member of Israel's coordinator of government activities in the territories, that he was going to attend the funeral along with Ahmad and Ibrahim. Now a few hours beforehand, the Israeli official told him to take a different route than the one they would usually take to avoid settlers in the area. But to Ode's surprise, the road to which they were diverted was filled with settlers who eventually shot and killed Ahmad and Ibrahim in their cars. Now Palestinians and the West Bank are increasingly
Starting point is 00:05:42 worried about confrontations with some 700,000 settlers, as well as IDF soldiers. The latest killings come against the backdrop of a year in which the West Bank has seen a surge in settler attacks, including one that an Israeli military commander called a pogrom. As of mid-September this year, the United Nations, the United Nations had reported 798 settler-related incidents in the occupied territory, leading to 216 Palestinians injured. In the same period, Israeli forces killed 179 Palestinians in the West Bank. Yeah. So first of all, the militant settlers in the West Bank are a scourge upon humanity, upon Israel, Gaza, and the entire region. So they're militant religious zealots that are borderline
Starting point is 00:06:39 lunatics and they think that God whispered in their ear that they should steal Palestinian land and that somehow that brings some sort of prophecy to fruition from thousands of years ago, total utter lunatics, okay? And they wantonly, indiscriminately, killing Palestinians left and right, Israeli police looking, Israeli IDF looking, oftentimes not doing anything about it. Guys, whenever you say a story like this, and I said in the case of Amos, and I'm saying it now in case of the settlers, think about if the shoe was on the other foot. So imagine that the Palestinians are the occupying force, and the Jews are being occupied in an open-air prison, a ghetto of some sort.
Starting point is 00:07:24 And the Palestinians send in settlers to steal more and more Jewish land. And the settlers are nuts. They're fundamentalists, and they go around killing Jews randomly, right? And the Palestinian police go, I don't see it. Oh, you murdered people at a funeral at a funeral that they were attending, For the other people that you murdered, and I'm not gonna do anything about it. What would the whole world do? I would hope that the whole world would say, stop massacring, murdering, Jews, innocent people
Starting point is 00:07:53 for no reason, let alone the occupation. And you're gonna let these religious fundamentalist zealots just keep killing and killing and killing innocent people firing the houses for no reason at all. I would hope the world would say that, I know America would say that. But when it's Palestinians, their lives just don't matter, right? Just be honest, just be honest for a second if you're in America or Israel. You just don't care about their lives. So now a lot of us do, and certainly if you're in our audience, I know you do, right?
Starting point is 00:08:21 But for the people in power, they just, those poor folks living in the West Bank, let alone Gaza now, no one cares about them. And those maniac settlers can go kill them anytime they like and almost always get away with it. So what are they supposed to do, man? and the occupation. The occupation is an indefensible morally, totally utterly indefensible. The only defense for it is, oh, Palestinians are savages, and they'll never not be violence. So we have to press them and put our boot on their neck for 56 straight years.
Starting point is 00:08:58 But you see how they're the violent ones? No, I don't. The occupation is by definition gross, horrific violence. And how much can people take of their dignity being crushed every single day? Oh, you think you're in charge of your own lives? No, you're not. I'll caught your water any time I want. I'll cut your electricity.
Starting point is 00:09:20 I'll cut food. I'll cut medical supplies. I'll cut electricity to your hospital so the grandmothers and the babies die. But what, whoa, whoa, wait, wait. You guys are the savages. Savages, right? So you know what's interesting is, over the last week, something I've been thinking about a lot, was the George W. Bush era and what the United States justly received a lot of backlash and criticism for. I thought about the incidents at Abu Ghraib, I thought about torture.
Starting point is 00:10:14 All of those things the United States government was and should have been condemned for. But it is amazing to me that as we watch these scenes in the West Bank and certainly in the Gaza Strip, which is just the indiscriminate bombing of residential areas, indiscriminate bombing that has led to a higher death toll in regard. to Palestinian civilians, there's really a giant movement in the country right now to go after anyone who condemns that. Yeah, well, they come for me. Okay, anyone who calls for a ceasefire. And look, let me just be clear, there are some groups that are calling for a ceasefire,
Starting point is 00:10:56 and they have said things that I disagree with, including in some cases justifying what Hamas did. I do not in any way justify what Hamas did. and we condemned Hamas very aggressively on the show. However, calling for a ceasefire in order to save human lives is not some terrible abhorrent thing. And the fact that the United States government is so aggressively against that, it just amazes me. It really amazes me. Yeah, and look, it's not going to stand. You've got morons like Nate Silver out there now saying, oh, no, I bet this is super popular with the American people.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Even young Americans, I bet they really support Biden's, you know, helping Israel crush the and kill the civilians of Gaza. Yeah, do the poll, Nate, I said it on social media, do the poll, I'll bet with you. And the bet is whoever's wrong has to say they know nothing about polling and nothing about politics. Can you imagine getting me to say that? Come on, let's take the bet. 18 to 29 year olds.
Starting point is 00:11:57 No, what's going to happen? This is the only piece of good news, guys, is that the young people in this country can't stand this anymore. And they don't want to be morally complicit in this death, destruction, and occupation. And by the way, a lot of times led by Jewish Americans saying, enough, enough, I can't stand it. This isn't, you don't speak for me, this isn't what I want. And I don't want, just like, I hate what Hamas did, because not only because of what it did to those poor innocent civilians in Israel, but also because of the stain that it leaves on all Muslims.
Starting point is 00:12:33 And the same is what Jewish American, young Jewish Americans are now saying in the country, which is don't put the stain on me. I didn't sign up for this occupation. And I hate it. Stop the occupation. Stop brutalizing these poor people. So right now, Israel has already killed twice as many innocent civilians, Palestinians in Gaza, as Hamas killed innocent civilians in Israel.
Starting point is 00:12:58 So my question to the American government is, when is it enough? Is four times as many Palestinian civilians enough? It's 10 times, 20 times. How much murder and death does America want? Well, let's be clear. By the way, can I just say one more than again? And how much does it fund? Not only are they sending billions of dollars more to Israel now.
Starting point is 00:13:19 What the hell do they need that for? They have the biggest military in the area. We already send them more money than we send anyone else. Does it look like they need more bombs? But now there's apparently a package they are considering for Ukraine and Israel of a hundred billion dollars. My answer to that is hell, no, no way. I would just like the U.S. government to change their go-to default statement that we hear
Starting point is 00:13:48 over and over again to be a little more accurate. So they love to say Israel has a right to defend itself, okay? Change it to what it really is. The United States government will take finite resources from the American people and fund a brutal bombing campaign that Israel wants to carry out in the Gaza Strip that will just brutalize and murder all sorts of innocent Palestinian civilians while simultaneously conflating them with Hamas. Just tell the truth. Because that is what the situation really is. See, for me, seeing what happened to Israeli civilians disgusted me and made me so angry to my core. But I do not understand how anyone can watch what's happening in Gaza right now and somehow think those innocent civilians are different.
Starting point is 00:14:43 They're less important. Their lives don't matter. Whether we're talking about an Israeli child or a Palestinian child, they are children. who do not deserve the disgusting war and brutality that they are experiencing right now. But you know, apparently people have mask off, total mask off. Yeah. Total mask off. This war has really shown me that all of the endless, you know, preaching about equality, equality, equality, equality, we need to work toward equality.
Starting point is 00:15:14 That's the Democratic Party. Yeah, they don't really care about equality. Nothing. When push comes to shove, when it goes outside of just engagement, agent in tokenism, okay, they're not really about equality. Because as those Palestinian children are being bombed to death, they've got no problem with it. In fact, they'll come after me for speaking out against what's happening.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Because we're not supposed to speak out against it, Jake, Israel has a right to defend itself. How exactly is this defending itself? Yeah, so let me address that in a couple of ways. So first of all, on the hostages, it doesn't look like there's any effort being made. They don't care about the hostages. So they're bombing the tunnels, okay. I get the military idea behind bombing the tunnels, but not when Hamas has the hostages, the hostages are almost definitely in the tunnels.
Starting point is 00:16:01 What are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you bombing the tunnels that the hostages are almost definitely in? There's literally American civilians, American citizens in the Gaza Strip right now who are trapped as we speak. And you have the United States government coming after anyone who dares question the bombing campaign that Israel is carrying out right now. So do you care about the American citizens at all?
Starting point is 00:16:25 Do they matter? Apparently they don't even matter. Look, guys, none of this makes any sense other than collective punishment. Because, okay, they moved everybody to the south. They dislocated a million people. Clear war crime. Pillar, cornerstone of genocide. Turks did that to Armenians, by the way. Turks did that to the Armenians.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Okay, so if you're coming at us about the Armenian genocide, okay, which by the way, we talked about on the show endlessly, you can't then turn around and provide cover for the same behavior that's being carried out by the Israeli government. So, disgusting, absolutely disgusting. So they commit that war crime, they move people, and now they're bombing in the south. Because guys, what is Hamas going to do? If you're targeting Hamas, why would you move everybody to the south? You think Hamas is just going to stay in the north and they're just going to keep the hostages in the north?
Starting point is 00:17:19 And they're going to be like, oh, Israel's coming with ground troops. Great, we'll keep the hostages here so they can come and rescue them. No, they're going to move them to the south. And then once they move them to the south, inside the tunnels, Israel is going to bomb the south. And they're going to bomb the tunnels and they're already doing it. So this is so dumb. Well, it isn't dumb. Let's be honest about what it is.
Starting point is 00:17:40 This is not a military operation. No. This is just killing enough Palestinians so that it's collective punishment. And let me finish that thought, one extra step. So guys, what is the theoretical end game here? The stated goal of Israel is ridiculous. The Israeli right-wing government, let's be clear. They say, until the Palestinians give up leadership of Hamas,
Starting point is 00:18:06 that Hamas no longer represents them. How would they even tell you that? There's no Hamas and the democracy. There's no voting. How could they possibly tell you that they are no longer represented by Hamas? It's an unanswerable question, on purpose, because Netanyahu just wants to kill them. Come on, keep it real. Israel had the moral high ground, which is, it unfortunately hasn't had for over 50 years.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Our hearts went out to Israel, and we were all on Israel's side. And now Netanyahu burned the moral high ground to the ground. And so, all right, look, Anna's 100% right, mask off moment. I see all over social media, people like frothing at the mouth going, kill him, kill the Palestinians. And you know you're doing that if you're out there, if you're a right winger. Great, congratulations. It's not just right winger, she's. I got you, but keep it real, it's mainly right wingers, okay?
Starting point is 00:19:02 So, and those guys, okay, now we know who you are. Oh, right wing's not for war. No, you're war mongers, the minute anybody's being killed, you're there for the party, okay? You're there with bells on. Just check out my Twitter account. They're so excited to murder Muslims. Jake, listen, the right wing is the right wing, okay? I know what to expect from them.
Starting point is 00:19:27 But right now, the Democratic Party controls the White House. The Democratic Party controls the White House. And they're, what are you talking about, a Democrat or Republican? It doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter. If George W. Bush were in the White House right now, it doesn't matter that Biden's in the White House right now. same same. When it comes to Israel, same, same. They shut their brains off. Israel has a right
Starting point is 00:19:51 to defend itself. Israel has a right. Yes, yes, we will fund the war. We will give you anything you want. Yes. Do you know how disgusted I feel knowing that our bombs are being dropped on Israeli, on Palestinian civilians right now? You have the Arab world chanting death to America, and it makes me feel so sick to my stomach to know that they see us as complicit. us American citizens as complicit in the brutality that is being carried out against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip right now. As the daughter of ancestors who suffered a genocide, you have no idea how disgusted I am with my government in just supporting anything the Israeli government wants to do.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Do I believe that the Israeli government should be able to root out Hamas and conduct military operations specifically targeting Hamas? Yes, I do. I do agree with that. I don't I don't agree with what the Israeli government is currently doing in the Gaza Strip. I don't agree with what the Israeli government had been doing in the West Bank and continues to do to the West Bank. I don't agree with it. But we don't have a voice because dare we speak out against it? Oh, we don't believe in Israel's right to exist.
Starting point is 00:21:03 All sorts of nonsense, made up accusations just meant to intimidate and silence us. It's not gonna work. I don't play that game. Okay, I see, when I see something wrong, I'm gonna speak out against it. What's happening in the Gaza Strip right now is wrong. And if anyone's disgusted with me saying it, just consider what I think of you for supporting what's happening.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, look, Palestinians are human beings. If you don't think so, you're a monster. So, and if you say killing them is no big deal, you don't think their lives matter. So that's just the fact. So look, I, I won't go to Israel until they. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going?
Starting point is 00:21:45 I'm gonna have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liam Nieson. Buy your tickets now and get a free Tilly Dog. Chilly Dog, not included. The Naked Gun. Tickets on sale now. August 1st. And the occupation, I think you're crazy to go to Israel or spend any money or do anything related to Israel until they end the occupation. If 56 years isn't enough, that means it's never going to be enough.
Starting point is 00:22:10 They're going to keep those people as prisoners for the rest of our lives. I can't stand it, I can't stomach it, it's the core evil in this situation. I'm so sorry that that government has done that. But I didn't do it, that government did it. And whether it's the American government or my original country of origin, Turkey, those two governments have done a lot of evil. They've done a lot of great things, they've done a lot of terrible things. You have to have the courage to call out your own side.
Starting point is 00:22:43 And in this case, how long are you going to occupy them? It's not gonna end, Jane. It's not gonna end because you don't think Palestinians are human beings. If you thought they were just like you, if you thought they were your kids or your answer uncles, you wouldn't never do this to them and you would never allow it. So no, America is totally wrong, the American government, not the people, the government, totally wrong in sending more bombs to kill more Palestinians. Sorry, we don't agree.
Starting point is 00:23:15 No, under no conditions. So you wanna defend yourself, we're all on board. You wanna kill wanton, indiscriminate death of Palestinians. What Hamas did is barbaric, when you kill twice as many innocent civilians, what does that make you? All right, let's take a break, take a little breather. When we come back, more news for you, including someone within the defense department who had so of an issue with the Biden administration's foreign policy toward Israel, that he resigned. I'll give you the details of why he resigned and more when we come back.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Jank, Anna, artist sketch, Brittany Chinigo, Maybeth, Farrell, and Stephen. Thank you all for becoming young Turks members. You guys make this show possible. They hit the join button. You can do the same, or t-y-t.com slash join, Anna. Well, a lot more news to get to. Let's get started. I'm looking right at you, President Biden.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Are you going to be the president that funds and enables a genocide? Or are you going to be the president that puts your foot down and stops a genocide? That's what we're here to ask. The woman you just heard from is with an organization known as Jewish Voices for Peace whose members were arrested just yesterday as they were demanding a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip while demonstrating in the nation's capital yesterday. Now, while the Biden administration remains steadfast and it's unwavering and unconditional support for the Israeli government, there are some members within the administration, within the state department specifically, who have a problem. with the unconditional support as all of these Palestinian civilians are being reported killed in the Gaza Strip. A U.S. State Department official has resigned over U.S. foreign policy on Israel's war in Gaza. Josh Paul is the individual here. He served as the director
Starting point is 00:25:29 of congressional and public affairs for the U.S. State Department's Bureau of Public Military Affairs. So in his resignation letter, Paul made, which he made public, he makes clear that he has a problem with the shipment of weapons to Israel as the Palestinian death toll continues to rise. Paul helped oversee the transfer of U.S. weaponry to allies, a position that he acknowledged was not without its moral complexity and moral compromises. In recent days, U.S. shipments of ammunition and so-called smart bombs and other weaponry have arrived in Israel, which was already the largest recipient of U.S. military assistance. The Biden administration is reportedly preparing to ask Congress for another military package,
Starting point is 00:26:18 which will go to both Israel and Ukraine to the tune of $100 billion. Ridiculous. And the Associated Press reported that the Biden administration is also getting U.S. defense companies to expedite weapons orders to Israel so they can carry out this war that we're currently all seeing before our very eyes. Now with that said, I want to go to the letter that Paul put out, because I think it gives you a sense of how much he's been struggling with his role within the government. I made myself a promise that I would stay for as long as I felt the harm I might do could be outweighed by the good I could do. In my 11 years, I have made more moral compromises
Starting point is 00:27:00 than I can recall, each heavily, but each with my promise to myself in mind and intact. I'm I'm leaving today because I believe that in our current course with regards to the continued, indeed expanded and expedited, provision of lethal arms to Israel, I have reached the end of that bargain. And his resignation letter came just hours after Biden embraced Israel's far right prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Tel Aviv and reiterated his steadfast support for Israel. In response, Josh Paul said, I cannot work in support of a set of major policy decisions, including rushing more arms to one side of the conflict that I believe to be short-sighted,
Starting point is 00:27:46 destructive, unjust, and contradictory to the very values that we publicly espouse and which I wholeheartedly endorse. A whole, a world built around a rules-based order, a world that advances both equality and equity, and a world whose arc of history bends toward the promise of liberty and and of justice for all. And, you know, he isn't the only one to feel that there are moral concerns in working for the Biden administration and carrying out these actions. As this war continues, there are others who have spoken to the Huffington Post, HuffPost,
Starting point is 00:28:25 as it's called now, to say that they feel that they can't speak out and that if they do, they might be retaliated against, then they might lose their positions from. from these federal jobs. The UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem and Israel, said in a report released earlier this week that the damage and casualties caused by Israeli attacks on Gaza were not proportionate to the military advantage. And so the actions constitute a war crime. The commission added that the prevention of entry of food and medical supplies into Gaza is a violation of international humanitarian.
Starting point is 00:29:05 law. So there are some people speaking out. It's usually people outside of the United States government. But in this case, you have someone who is brave enough to not only speak out, but give up his position, give up the work that he's been doing in order to speak out. So first of all, this guy is an absolute American hero. And I wish we had more people in government that had this kind of courage and principles and conscience. Unfortunately, it's a breaking news story because there's one. We found one in the U.S. government. So thank you.
Starting point is 00:29:38 So now, $100 billion. Are you kidding me? This is a joke? This is ridiculous. Whenever we ask for anything here for Americans, paid family leave, higher wages, public option, anything. What's the one thing that all of cable news screams at the top of their lungs,
Starting point is 00:29:57 both Fox News, CNN and MSMC, all of them? There's no money. How are you gonna pay for that? No, Jay. For war, for wanton destruction, apparently we have plenty of money. No, I want everyone to accept what their actual role as hardworking Americans happens to be in the United States. We're just the piggy bank for endless wars and for defense contractors. That's what we are.
Starting point is 00:30:21 When it comes to our tax money actually, you know, enriching our lives, improving our lives, Improving the lives of our brothers and sisters here in the United States, we don't have the resources for it. We don't have the resources for it, Jank. We can't do it, we don't have the money for it. Yeah. But we will print money. We will print money for two things, bailing out financial institutions and paying for forever wars abroad. That is what we will pay for.
Starting point is 00:30:45 We will print money for that. Everybody knows that's true. I mean, later in the show, we're gonna tell you how the American people have lost all faith in American media and most of the American institutions. Why? Because we all know you're robbing us to pay the defense contractors and every other lobbyist there is. And the drug companies, it's disgusting. We stop robbing us. So do we want to help the Ukrainies? Yes. Have we funded them already a lot? Yes. You know, can you make an argument for funding them more against the, in that case, a war of aggression from Russia? Yeah, you can make that argument. I'm open to that argument. Should we help Israel with things like, for example, intelligence? Yes. Yes. Because look, intelligence is the most important thing because Israel's every right to go after Hamas and you need intelligence to figure out the difference between Hamas and innocent Palestinians.
Starting point is 00:31:34 If you say no, don't help them with intelligence, that doesn't make any sense, right? Well, the intelligence at least the bombings, yeah, but those bombings are at least intended to get Hamas rather than dropping a giant bomb on a residential building. So yes, help them with intelligence. But $100 billion, that's not even for Israel, and it's not for Ukraine. It's for the piggy bank of gross, disgusting defense contractors. They go and bribe almost every politician out there, and those stupid, lying politicians go out there and go, oh, yeah, we need another $100 billion. For you guys, hell no, no way, never to the American people.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Republicans, what the hell have you done? bunch of phony populists what populism what where America first my ass you never served the American so jank you you you bring you so jank you you bring you up an important point. And I think we need to emphasize this, right? Helping Israel with intelligence is incredibly important because you want to root out Hamas, which should not be conflated with Palestinian civilians who have also been brutalized by Hamas in the Gaza strip. But see, you and I have enough brain cells to understand the difference. But Fox News likes to employ morons like Jesse Waters who can't tell the difference.
Starting point is 00:33:18 And so they spew disgusting garbage like what you're about to hear. I don't think we can have a Palestinian state at this point. I've had it with the Palestinians. I've given up on the Palestinians. If I was in Israel, I wouldn't be talking about a Palestinian state right now. I don't think Joe Biden should be talking about a Palestinian state right now. And I don't like how people tried to differentiate between the Palestinians and Hamas, Amos. To me, I see people with guns. That's Amas. The people without the guns are the Palestinians. They believe the same thing. The Palestinians hire Hamas to run their government. You poll them. They all love killing Jews. It's in their charter. They say they believe in suicide bombings. Every time a Palestinian refugee goes to another country doesn't work out so well for the other country and for those Palestinians. No one wants them.
Starting point is 00:34:10 He's saying all this as residential buildings are being bombed in the footage right next to him. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't have to say it. He said it. He's declaring himself a racist. And he's saying, I hate all Palestinians. And I don't care about them. And he's showing you pictures of them being killed and basically celebrating it. I mean, how disgusting a person do you have to be? And this is the other side. We say, hey, for God's sake, care about the innocent Israelis and the innocent Palestinians, and they say, no, kill the Palestinians, call them all terrorists, and then make up things like, oh, they attack people in every country they go in.
Starting point is 00:34:56 What an outrageous lie? It just made that up, 100%. Because Jesse Waters is a liar. Almost everyone on Fox News lies for a living. That's what they do, like who should we hate today? Who should we try to get fear and disgust and anger towards and get all of our side riled up to hate other human beings? That's what they get paid a lot of money for.
Starting point is 00:35:20 One of the Fox News anchors just bought a $37 million house. Brett Bear, yep. Yeah, I don't know if the brick and mortar is made out of blood for all the hatred that Fox News has driven in this world. Rupert Murdoch is one of the most evil people that has ever lived. on this planet. And so all of these guys, just brazenly admitting, why don't we just, never give them a state,
Starting point is 00:35:46 never treat them as humans. You're a disgusting person. So let me balance that with another wonderful person, because we talked about a State Department employee, a veteran of the department for 11 years, quitting his job over the foreign policy toward this war in the Gaza Strip. Well, now an employee is senior research
Starting point is 00:36:06 with the Anti-Defamation League has just announced that he is quitting his position in the organization because of his moral issues with the messaging coming out of the organization. One of the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something's off in your body, but not knowing exactly what. It's not just aging. It's often your hormones, too. When they fall out of balance, everything feels off. But here's the good news.
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Starting point is 00:37:29 He resigned because he couldn't square my morals and politics. with the direction I saw the organization going in. I think that the ADL does a lot of great work. And trust me, there are some amazing people there. But there are times when you have to stand up and say enough. So what does he mean? Well, ADL's Anti-Defamation League's director, Jonathan Greenblatt, has spurred indignation on the left for labeling Palestinian human rights campaigners
Starting point is 00:37:58 as extremists. And reports of dissent among ADL staffers emerged earlier. this year due to Greenblatt's framing of anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so look, ADL is very nuanced. They've done some great work. But Greenblatt is just, he's out of control. So anytime anyone criticizes one single thing about the right-wing government of Israel, he stops to start, it jumps in and calls everybody anti-Semitic. Jonathan, I got newsre. It isn't working anymore. You've cried Wolf two million times. Look, there's massive anti-Semitism in the country and in the world, and we're trying
Starting point is 00:38:39 to help fight it together. And we appreciate the ADL when they fought against Muslim discrimination under Donald Trump. But every time you make it political, and every time you defend the gross right-wing government of Israel, crushing and killing Palestinians, and when we ask you to stop killing innocent civilians, or you go, anti-Semite, what? By the way, that's a slur against your own people saying that what you guys that are you saying that you're all in favor of killing innocent civilians they're not they're not you don't speak for them stops slandering good Jewish Americans by pretending that they're all in favor of this murder and mayhem and that somehow it's anti-Semitic to speak out against it nobody look other than old school idiots in Washington
Starting point is 00:39:25 and a bunch of right wingers online nobody's buying that line anymore That stuff used to work in the past. I don't care. You could say that 2,000 times over. No one cares. It's not going to work. There's real anti-Semite shooting up synagogues. And then when you could defend the killing of innocent civilians and pretend that that's anti-Semitism to criticize that, you lose all credibility.
Starting point is 00:39:50 This guy who left the ADL's total American hero. Now I'm going to say something that I don't know how anybody's going to feel about it, but this is my true feelings. I think that Jews in America are going to actually save the Palestinians. And so you can say, that's crazy, I don't think you're right, Jank, or why would that make a difference? Because at some point, Jewish Americans have always, like when you look at the different events in American history, the civil rights movement, you're fighting against the Muslim ban, you're fighting against right-wing extremism, you name it. Jewish Americans have almost always done the right thing. That's right. And they've been a pillar of morality in this country.
Starting point is 00:40:34 And right now, young Jewish Americans are rebelling at record rates, going not in our names, no way, not in our names, okay? And I think that rebellion is going to grow and grow and grow. And it's going to go to the middle age. I don't know if it'll get to the old because the older you are, the more set you get in your ways. Not everybody, not everybody. But unfortunately, I know from my experience,
Starting point is 00:40:57 as an immigrant. Older Turks, more set in their ways, more obsessed with identity, and younger generations are better and see all of us as humanity. So again, not all older people, it's just general things. But I believe that there's going to be a movement among Jewish Americans that say, enough, enough, let them go, let him go, end the occupation, end this ridiculous cycle of violence. And how has it helped Israel? How has it helped Jews in the world?
Starting point is 00:41:30 All it's done is gotten driven incredible hatred towards Jews all across the world because you won't end the occupation. Everybody says, what are you doing? How long are you going to brutalize these people? So that's my sense of it. I hope to God I'm right. And I believe in Jewish Americans, they have been the moral core of this country for a long, long time.
Starting point is 00:41:52 And I mean America, and I think they're going to do it again. again. All right. Well, when we come back, we're going to move off this topic and talk a little bit about how former Trump lawyer, Sidney Powell, big fan of the art of the deal. That and more coming up. Don't miss it. All right, back on T.Y. T.Y. Jank, Anna, Mateo Mejah Duff and S. Alder, thank you for joining, guys. We appreciate you. Members make this show possible. Let's read one from a YouTube member. Sam Voladowski, the one wrote in. As an American Jew, I'm all for saving the regular Palestinian civilians. Netanyahu is a total monster. So Sam, thank you for having an open mind and for caring about all of humanity. That's exactly what we're trying to do here. We appreciate you. Anna. We have some fascinating new updates to share with you in regard to Donald Trump's election interference trial, even though Donald Trump doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what happened today. So with that said, let's get into it.
Starting point is 00:43:07 And ma'am, do you understand that this is a negotiated plea, which means that your attorney and I have reached an agreement or the state has reached an agreement as to the proposed sentence that will be made to the court? I do. Do you understand that the recommendation being made to the court as to this accusation on counts one through six that should be sentenced to 12 months of probation to run consecutive with one another. I do. Well, for Trump campaign lawyer, Sidney Powell, looks like she's willing to take a plea deal.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Big fan of the art of the deal. And this might mean bad news for Donald Trump, who of course is indicted in the very same Georgia election meddling case. Now Powell is one of the 18 co-defendants in that case. And here's what we know. No. She's pleading to six misdemeanor charges, according to the agreement, read in court, but we'll get about 12 months of probation for each count, as well as a $6,000 fine. She'll also have to pay about $2,700 restitution as part of the plea deal. But the big get here is that she will serve no time behind bars. My guess is that is the reason why she took the plea deal.
Starting point is 00:44:16 But in order to take the plea deal, you got to be willing to testify in the case. meaning testify against your co-defendants. So let's get to some of those details. First off, I think it's worth noting what the indictment says. So the indictment lists what the charges that she was facing, including conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties, conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties. So two charges of that.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Election interference again and again and again. And it really has to do with her role in basically like breaking into the coffee county election office and obtaining voting records from the office itself, which is of course a very serious crime. Now here's more on what Sidney Powell was facing in this case and why she likely took the plea deal. If this case had gone to trial, the state would have shown that on between the dates of December 1st of 20, in January 7th of 2021, the defendant, Sidney Powell, along with several co-conspirators, entered into a conspiracy to intervene with the performance of election duties of co-defendant Misty Hampton, also known as Emily Misty Hayes. At all times relevant to the conspiracy, Misty Hampton was the elections director for Coffee County, Georgia, and was subject to all duties
Starting point is 00:45:41 imposed by Chapter 2 of Title 21 of OCGA. The purpose of the conspiracy was to use Misty Hampton's position to unlawfully access secure elections machines in Coffee County, Georgia. The conspiracy included the following objectives. One, to willfully tamper with electronic ballot markers and tabulating machines. Two, to cause certain members of the conspiracy who were not officers charged by law with the care of ballots and who were not persons entrusted by any such officer with the care of ballots for a purpose required by law to possess official ballots outside of the polling place. So rather than deal with that trial, she has instead decided, all right, I'll plead guilty
Starting point is 00:46:25 to some misdemeanors. She's pleading guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties. And as part of the agreement, Powell must testify truthfully about any co-defendants involved in the case and provide all documents to the district attorney's office relevant to their case against the other co-defendants. according to Fulton County judge Scott McAfee. So the Trump team is kind of pretending like this is no biggie for them, but I certainly would be concerned. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:59 So I hope that as part of the deal, she also has to release the Cracken. I've been waiting this whole time for the Cracken. So I hope she's got that in her back pocket. Okay, so guys, we don't yet know how important this is because of one giant critical fact. We don't know what they talked to the prosecutors and what deal they made behind the scenes. So we know she's getting a super light punishment and is testifying against the others. But if it's about like the one voting machine in Georgia that they broke into, yeah, it's obviously illegal. There should be punishment for it.
Starting point is 00:47:39 But that's a tiny thing, if I'm being honest with you guys, right? The real thing, like if that's all they did, I'd say, guys, let's get past this, okay? Really? Yeah. Breaking into voting machines? Yeah, yeah, and I'll tell you why. I would, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to let them off. I'd say those guys, whoever they did it, should I have face significant criminal penalties. But that's not a coup attempt. It's one voting machine in Georgia, and it's a bunch of, yeah, right-wing guys under Trump, et cetera, and a bunch of local Yahoo's going, oh, we got this, okay? But one voting machine isn't going to make the difference in the whole country. The real deal is the fake electors.
Starting point is 00:48:18 So that's an actual coup attempt. So if she has the goods on how they plan to overturn democracy, if she knows and can help prove that they knew they lost, but we're trying to use fake electors to steal the election, then this is the biggest thing that's happened, like in a long time. But if she comes in with some weak sauce about a voting machine, this, and they were being mean that, those are that, then it's a waste of time.
Starting point is 00:48:49 For them to essentially give her a slap on the wrist as part of this plea deal, wouldn't she have to prove that she's got the goods? Yeah, and so that's why I don't know the conversations that they had. But remember, Anna, prosecutors really, really want to win in general. That's true. And so now, look, to be fair, Fawning, Willis has done a great job so far, right? We're very much in favor of how she's handled this case so far. And she's shown courage, she's shown wisdom, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:49:20 So she's earned our trust to some degree. So I'm hoping she got this right. But a lot of prosecutors would be like, oh, I flipped somebody. Yay, me. And she'll testify and she'll say some things that'll help me a little bit, good enough, right? And so I hope that Willis hasn't done that. And so she's got to deliver the goods here, guys. And remember this, this was not at all surprising to me.
Starting point is 00:49:45 If you watch Young Turks, I told you guys earlier, and we told you guys, that a lot of the co-defendants were flipping on Sidney Powell. They were all pointing their fingers. And so we already knew she was a sacrificial goat, right? So they were going to throw her under the bus. So at some point, she'd have been nuts not to get a deal with the prosecutors. Well, let me also just note that even before anyone was indicted in this case, well before anyone was indicted, I remember that Sidney Powell in her public appearances
Starting point is 00:50:16 just was so unhinged that it even made the Trump campaign uncomfortable with her. So they started distancing themselves with her. And that's the other reason why they picked her to throw her under the bus. Smart. You shall go, hey. It's smart for her to decide to flip. I mean, it wasn't so smart for the co-conspirators, right, or co-defendants. Yeah, so since they did a little bit of distancing from her, they almost had to pick
Starting point is 00:50:40 her as the, you know, the person to sacrifice. So, oh, no, no, she's the one that did everything. None of the rest of us were innocent. She had the cracker, she had the dumps, she had the mules. It was all her, and that's why we distance her. But they previewed that already. So it, well, one of the things we found out is it turns out, Sidney Powell isn't crazy after all. Really?
Starting point is 00:51:02 Because to stay on the side that's throwing her on the bus would have been crazy. Like she would have gone to jail, she would have gotten the most severe sentence, and she would have gotten no support from our co-defendants. Now she walks away with a deal, and I hope to God, like I said, that it's a good deal that gets us real information. If she gave weak sauce information, then man, she skated. And then that would really bother me. So we'll see how it plays out, but I did want to also fill you all in on some of the other co-defendants, including the man with the best last name in this entire situation, Mr. Cheesebro, Kenneth, Cheesbrough, that is. Now he refused to take a plea deal. So he will stand trial, and if he's found
Starting point is 00:51:44 guilty, he will deal with the full extent of the punishment that the judge decides. An attorney, He was an attorney. He's facing seven counts after prosecutors said that he's the one who drafted a strategy to use so-called alternative, alternate electors to prevent Joe Biden from receiving the electoral college votes necessary to basically make his win official. Now, Sidney Powell is the second person who has flipped. She's the second one to do a plea deal. Scott Hall is the other individual. He pleaded guilty to tamper. with voting machine equipment. Now, Steve Sado, who is Trump's lead attorney in this case, says, no sweat off my back. He told ABC News, quote, assuming truthful testimony in the Fulton County case, it will be favorable to my overall defense strategy. So he's either putting on a brave face or he means it. It's really hard to tell. But we'll see how it plays out. Yeah. Look, Cheesebro is going to wind up being pivotal.
Starting point is 00:52:50 It's amusing that the guy who's pivotal in this case is the funniest name in the world. But the reason why is he's one of the principal actors in the fake electric scheme, right? So if he does, if he flips, oh, now ballgame, ball game, now Trump's in trouble. Okay, if he doesn't flip and they throw, since he's going first and way before anyone else, If they throw the book at him, if they convict them and send them to prison for 20 years, you know what's going to happen to the other 17 that, 16 that have not cooperated yet with the prosecutors? Like, sweat's going to go down their face, like all of their hair makeup or whatever it was on Rudy's face is going to flow down their faces. They're going to be in a cold sweat panic if that brother gets, or that bro gets 20 years in jail.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Okay, so throw it, let's go get Cheesebro. If he did it, obviously correct away through the justice system, prove the fake elector's scheme and throw the book at him. All right, we got to take a break. When we come back for the second hour of the show, we've got some new tidbits from Senator Mitt Romney's memoir, where he trashes his fellow Republican lawmakers. Can't wait to share that with you.
Starting point is 00:54:12 So don't miss it. We'll be right back. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. Support our work, listen to ad-free, access members-only bonus content, and more by subscribing to Apple Podcasts at apple.com at apple.com slash t-y-t. I'm your host, Jan Huger, and I'll see you soon.

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