The Young Turks - Most Pathetic Moment Of Trump's Presidency?

Episode Date: August 10, 2019

Trump has horrible situational awareness. Cenk Uygur, Brooke Thomas, and Ashlee Marie Preston, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Drop it. All right, power, power, panel, obviously, Brooke Thomas, Ashley Murray Preston's back. Thanks for having me. Always glad to have you here. All right. So, big show ahead, lots of Trump madness, of course. but also some shade at Democrats, well, well deserved, also shade at the New York Times again. Look, we're not, we don't have an agenda, it's just they keep doing things that are super

questionable. So in this case, it's their deputy managing editor in Washington. So, and whether he thinks black people are really from the Midwest or really from the South, etc. Or really black, I don't know, it's a lot. Yeah, it is, it is. So lots to get to on the show. And unfortunately, we're gonna start with El Paso and unfortunately we're gonna start with Donald Trump again.

So Brooke, take it away. All right. Yeah, many people are upset at a picture Melania Trump posted on Twitter. And I want you to see the picture because in the picture, you see the Trump's, Melania and the president smiling, Trump has his thumbs up. And Melania is actually holding the baby whose parents were shot and killed by the El Paso Walmart shooter this past weekend. So it's a pretty, it's a happy photo for such an unhappy experience.

And so people are upset about it, calling it inappropriate. Also, the president did not meet any of the eight survivors still recovering in the hospital. We learned three were unable because they were in too poor condition or don't speak English. And that's according to the hospital. Five declined the offer. What we also learned is a hospital spokesperson told BuzzFeed News, The baby, that baby in that photo was actually brought back to the hospital specifically for that Trump visit and photo op.

Doctors there also told reporters Trump showed what they called a complete lack of empathy and that he spent a lot of time talking about Beto O'Rourke. Take a look. The job you've done, and they're talking about it all over the world, and it's an honor to be with you. Look at this group of people. Can you believe this? Good looking for people.

You're fantastic. I was here three months ago. made a speech and we had a state, and what was the name of the arena? That place was right? I was from Roe. Right? The judges of respect it. What was the name? I was from Rome. Oh good. Come here, my. That was some crowd. Thank you for all. And we had twice the number outside. And then you had this crazy Beto. Beto had like 400 people in a parking lot. They said his crowd was wonderful. But we had some. Oh, look at that. Whoa, oh wow. Look at that. I was encouraging her.

Don't tell it to the press because they won't even believe it. They only believe it on voting on day, on the day of the vote. They say, what happened? Okay, so here's the thing. We don't know why the five people in the hospital declined to see the president. It could just be because they were recovering from gunshot wounds, so I get that. But there were a lot of people, including politicians, a lot of people living in El Paso who did not want Trump to visit their city after this tragedy.

And we caught up with one family, very open and clear about wanting to explain why. I wish he wouldn't have needed to come. I think he just came to do a circus. He was the one who brewed up all this hatred against Mexicans. I guess he forgot what he said about El Pasoans, but he still came over here and do his circus because he wanted, what, boats? We didn't need them. Yeah.

And I have more video I can show you in a bit, but I want to. I can tell you. So first of all, on the visit, I don't have the standard position on this. I think as the president you should go down there. And yeah, he stirred up the hatred, that's definitely true. But look, going down there could be part of the healing. It's also not his fault that the people didn't want to see him. So it is what it is.

If I was shot because he stirred up the hatred, I wouldn't want to see him either. But you can't put that on him because it's not like he didn't want to see them, they didn't want to see him. Okay, so those are the things to be fair to Donald Trump. Now, let's go to the photo op situation. So the baby's not in the hospital, they bring him back for a photo op. There's no answers or busts about it, no question, okay? So I'm gonna tell you the story about the baby and I'm gonna try not to tear up. And I wanna tell you guys, again, to be fair to Trump, that the uncle that is standing next

to him is a Trump supporter, the baby's deceased father was a Trump supporter, the baby's deceased father was a Trump supporter, okay, so it's not partisan in that sense. The baby's got broken fingers because his mom- Oh gosh. His mom fell on him to protect him while she was dying. And the dad took bullets for the mom falling on her trying to make sure that they weren't shot. And they were both killed protecting that baby. And the guy who killed him said it was because it was a Hispanic invasion and he wanted

to go kill Latinos. Now there's another guy who talks about Hispanic invasions all the time. His name is Donald Trump. So I'm not gonna get into a debate with idiot right wingers of like, oh no, it's just a coincidence. I don't care what you think, honestly. It's obviously not a coincidence. So okay, all that is we know and he said, his staff said, oh, we didn't allow reporters

into the hospital because we didn't want a photo op. Well then why'd you bring the baby back and take a picture with the baby? That's literally a photo op. And then why did you put a campaign ad out with video of you visiting the hospitals? That's a photo op. And then apparently he yelled at his own staff saying, why didn't you let the reporters in? This looks great for me. He's such a monster.

But finally, to get to the most critical part of this, what kind of a sociopath puts a thumbs up and smiles with a picture of a baby who lost both his parents, and they died protecting him because of a guy who was, but you know what, look, guys, give Trump every benefit of the doubt. Assume he doesn't know how the parents died, he knows it's obviously in the shooting, but doesn't know the details. Assume that, hey, again, like I said, that some of the relatives are Trump supporters, etc. Why are you putting your thumbs up?

What's the, why are you smiling? What kind of a sociopath does that? Even if you gave the benefit of the doubt and said he didn't have anything to do with the shooting, If somebody says to me, here's a baby, his parents just died. The very last thing I do is this, okay? And I hope none of you would do that, because you're a normal person. And even no matter what your political opinions are, and no matter whether you were related to the shooting, not related to cause it, didn't cause it, forget, put all that aside, although

you shouldn't. It's a thousand times worse that he had some culpability in the shooting and then, oh, your parents are dead, right? Hey, I got a good photo operator out of this. Did I gain politically? And that's why the video that Brooks showed you is so important. Oh, Beiru's crowd was small. My crowd was big.

God damn it's not supposed to be about you. He can't be president for a second. And you know that if you were, I can't imagine, even if you're MAGA, et cetera, somebody gives you a baby and says his parents died that you're beaming and like, yes, this is good for me. You do this. No, you know who does that? A sociopath.

A sociopath does that. Because he cannot, I think he physically, literally cannot empathize with other human beings. He just does not have the ability to understand the context or care. And so he does this. And you can say, hey, it's too much about one picture. But I've seen him do it a thousand times, a thousand times. Cannot relate to the other person at all. And also just too unintelligent to understand the context of where he is.

Any person that is above a moron grade would think, hey, this is not the time to be beaming. I'm supposed to be showing empathy to the people who are hurt in the hospital. My God, this baby, my God, this may. How does it not break your heart? How does it not break your heart? If you don't have one in the first place, that's how it doesn't break it. But even so, a Richard Nixon type of person would have at least known to do the optics of mourning, optics of empathy. But he's too stupid to know that too.

So, I have to keep my own sanity, I have to assume that Trump supporters don't know any of these details. Because if I think you know it and you still support them, it's too depressing a sign for humanity. I think the other piece too is that we underestimate Trump's narcissistic personality disorder. The first thing that I noticed from the photo that was posted was the step and repeat in the background. Oh yeah.

That was the most wildly inappropriate thing. And I think it speaks to Trump's idea that this is just an extension of his reality show. The United States government, his presidency, his appearances, it is all to boost ratings for himself not only as a president, but from what he understands is still a competent businessman. And so I think the thing that broke my heart the most was the fact that he smiled and he held the thumbs up. The fact that that baby is there because of Trump's protection of the NRA and the administration's refusal to make decisions that are in the best interest of the American people.

I think more than anything, it couldn't have gotten worse. The thing that would have probably made it worse as if they would have brought in the shooter to jump in the photo op, like there was no reason to do that. But I think Trump, he just reminds me of this used car salesman. He, like, even when he speaks, I don't know if anyone noticed, even when he went to El Paso the first time, and then he went to, he was mentioned in Dayton. And he talks about these tragedies as if he's given a Yelp review. Like, yeah, the first responders, good people, I liked it, good turnout, great people, a nice, I liked, he, he. I didn't think I could laugh about this, but Ashley Murray, you did it.

It's a Yelp review. It's a perfect description. Fine folks, good people, I was satisfied. They threw in the bread basket for free, like he just, he's out of his mind. Yeah, and the band marched on. Yeah. Should we move on? Yeah, I guess.

I mean, there's one else can you say, right? Yeah, look, when I first saw the picture, I didn't even want to do the story, I was so discouraged. Like, I'm so, I can't, nothing triggers me more than people who cannot empathize with other human beings. Well, it should also speak to the GOP as well because there's this idea that, oh, it's liberals, it's like us, it's them. But these are actually people from your base who were negatively impacted by policies and decisions that the current administration passed down. And so I think it's, I'm hoping that people start to open their eyes and realize that they're just a piece on the checkerboard, that he doesn't have their best interest in mind and that he will say whatever he needs to say to not only maintain power, but to continue. to advance opportunities for his cronies in the White House. That's true.

Yep. All right, let's move on to our next story. Because we're actually learning even more about the situation at the chicken processing plants in Mississippi where 700 workers were detained by ICE. Last year, Coke Foods settled a $3.75 million lawsuit for racial discrimination, national origin discrimination, and sexual harassment against, it said Latinx workers in that very very same Morton, Mississippi facility. And I want to show you a little bit of what was alleged in the lawsuit, okay?

Supervisors touched and or made sexually suggestive comments to female Hispanic employees, hit Hispanic employees, and charged many of them money for normal everyday work activities. Many workers were reportedly either discharged or subjected to other forms of reactaliation when they complained. Now, this suit was brought forward by the EEOC. And as part of the settlement, the Coke Foods not only paid out of mass, massive sum to the victims, but also agreed to implement training for employees and set up a 24-hour hotline for reporting discrimination complaints in both English and Spanish.

The settlement lasted three years, and that means Coke Foods is still under supervision to continue efforts to reduce discrimination in its workplace. And a lot of people, including the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, they are worried that these ice raids after this settlement will discourage workers from reporting abuses and unsafe work conditions. As labor reporter, Mike Elk notes at Payday Report, it may not be a coincidence that the Morton plant was raided. There have been at least two other plants, one in Salem, Ohio, and another in Morristown, Tennessee,

where ice raids have followed complaints of worker conditions. Last year, for example, the occupational safety and health administration, OSHA, find Freshmark more than $200,000 for three separate incidents in which proper safety guards were not in place in its Salem meatpacking plant a week later, it was rated by ice. Definitely out of coincidence. Yeah. It doesn't happen three times in a row and it's a coincidence, no way. So there are two possible explanations.

I'm actually hoping that it's one that is less terrible. So the one that would be most terrible is they're like, oh, people want to complain about workplace harassment. Let's go round them all up. I actually don't think that that's the one. That's, I don't know, maybe I'm not, after all this, I might still be naive and there might be terrible people in the Trump administration who think, it's a two-for, we wound up undocumented immigrants, and hey, if you complain about sexual harassment that our boss does

or what we all do or whatever, we're around you up. But again, I think that's less likely. I think the more likely thing is, it's just easy and they're lazy. So they're like, oh, we just did that case with the undocumented immigrants and they were being sexually harassed or they had on safe work conditions, et cetera. Well, we know they're undocumented immigrants, so we'll call ICE and it's easy. Then they don't have to bother doing research and figuring out who has undocumented immigrants because we already know. And there might also be a directive within the Trump administration. If you know, if any government department knows of undocumented immigrants, they must turn it over to ICE.

So, that's the more likely scenario, but think about how terrible that is anyway, because that means if you go to seek help from law enforcement in any way, shape, or form that reaches the federal government, they're gonna turn on you, and they're gonna ruin your lives. So the system is already set up in a bad way. Yeah. Yeah. So there's two components of that. One is, well, Jesus, these people came to you for help, and then you buried them, right?

So thanks a lot, we really appreciate it. But the second part is actually even worse because now the word on the street is going to be after seeing these raids over and over again, don't ever complain. If you're getting sexually harassed, assaulted, whatever it might be, unsafe work conditions, suck it up because if you complain to the Trump government, they're gonna deport you and they're gonna ruin your family's life. And so just, and then the third part of how bad that is is that then the employers start to realize that and think.

We've got free reign, we can do anything we want to these workers, and they can't ever complain because if they do, they get deported. So now God help these workers. I think the most tragic part of this story was that it was the first day of school in Morton. So could you imagine the level of trauma and PTSD that these children are going to experience for the rest of their lives, going to school, wondering if something terrible is happening to their parents or their loved ones while they're there?

And that's if they're actually reunified with their families. The other piece of that is that let's talk about the economy, right? So the cost of these ice raids, like they said that- They worked on this for a year. Yeah. And that it was- they brought 600 ice agents to arrest almost 700 people or detain them. So we're not talking about the flights and the travel and the actual operation, but the fact that it cost almost $200 a day per person that they detain.

I saw another article that said it ends up being $3 million a month and it ends up being $36 million a year. And we're talking about the numbers for this specific group. What does that do to the actual economy? We're not talking about every other state. We're talking about just this isolated raid. And then when you look at the president of the United States, he would have us believe, that migrant workers and asylum seekers are criminals, rapists, drug dealers, they're violent

people. But in reality, his own administration said there's an estimated 11 million undocumented people, but yet they bring in 12, I'm sorry, yes, like 11 billion, but they bring in 12 billion dollars in tax revenue. I want to show you guys, because I have another note about something you said, you brought up the children, and we talked about them yesterday. So a spokesman for child protective services, it's actually told the Washington Post that, look, we have resources here on the ground. We could have helped with this. There were kids sleeping in, you know, gyms, kids not having anywhere to go after school. We could have helped with this and saying that they were not contacted before or even after the fact. And here we are two days after

the fact and child protective services still weren't contacted by the government in order to help with this, with the situation. Like at this point, you realize that there are going to be a lot of kids, displaced. And also, we had a little girl on the show yesterday. She's 11 years old, and J.R. found even more of her, you know, begging for her father's release. And I want to show it because she's 11, and this little girl is so strong. And I think that the level of, like, strength that you can tell that she has, that has to go to show, like, how she's being raised by these people that are being called monsters over and over again. So take a look.

My dad didn't do anything. He's not a criminal or something. That's what the immigrants took them. Please let him free. I want my dad to be free and everybody else. A lot of children are crying because of their dad and mom is. And I want my dad. No, the Hispanic people not doing nothing bad.

They're not. The immigrants just went just inside the company, just get her dad's out of there. dad's out of their, that's not fair immigrants. Yeah, you'll just see what I'm doing. I'm crying because of my dad. I have a lot of hearts about that. A lot of children are crying and their wife and their husbands are left because the immigrants took the, can do nothing, but please open the door for the parents.

So she's saying immigrants in place of ice. She's 11. Yeah, of course. You know. So I've seen that like 10 times. But you know what, though? I have to, I'm sorry. Like, I get, this is really tragic, but let's just keep it real. We're talking about, again, going back to sociopaths, they're not motivated or inspired by fraud, the emotional appeal. Even when you look at conservatives, fiscal conservatives, the first thing they say is it's just about economic stability and safety. And so the thing is, if the only thing that is standing in the way as an impediment to developing better. policies for immigration and asylum seekers is the fiscal aspect. Why aren't we talking numbers? And I think that let's keep it real. It's not just the Trump administration that feels this way

about immigrants and asylum seekers. It is people in the Democratic Party who have also said that they are a strain on our economy. We are having a hard time figuring things out for ourselves and our families and our benefits and our needs. So immigrants and asylum seekers are undocumented and people, they're taking away from our American dream. And that couldn't be the farthest thing from the truth. So when we present these numbers, such as the fact that the state, local, federal tax ends up being $12 billion of a community that's only 11 billion. It's important to really underscore that when we're having these conversations, especially

in the policy development stage. So let me build off that, because I'm so tired of Democrats being incompetent on this issue. So the undocumented immigrants, as Ashley Murray pointed out, pay more in taxes than they get out of the system. So for God's sake, say it, say it every time, not only that, hold the press accountable. Say that every time a Republican says that they're taking from us, call them a liar, because that's what they're doing, they're lying, or they're mistaken, they're fools, they're idiots, and show them the numbers.

Do you know the numbers? If you're in the press, you don't know the numbers, do you? Then do your goddamn job. And then in terms of crime, they keep saying that they're more likely to be criminals. It's just not true, it's not factual. They commit crime, undocumented immigrants commit crime at half the rate of native-born Americans. So it's not true.

If you say it, you're either a fool or a liar. Press, are you ever going to do your job? Democratic Party, are you ever going to do your job against the monsters in the right wing who constantly put out this massive propaganda filled with complete and other lies? And follow the money too. The fact of the matter is that they are monetizing the immigration system. the immigration system, ICE, all of this, these privatized detention centers, there's money in it.

So people here like, wow, $36 million a year just for this small group, and there's millions more where that came from. And it's only going to continue to grow, the more we continue ordering these raids. It's going to then increase the need for private detention centers, which is going to be an opportunity to make money. Of course, and then they donate back to the Republican politicians, and they get money and that circle of corruption continues. Look, it's our job to be fair and bring the facts.

So in the case of ICE, they did do a couple of things right here in the midst of the horrors of the overall operation. They let half the folks go so they could take care of the kids. They gave them phones so they can call and have the kids picked up. They didn't let child protective services know, but they did let the school know after the raid. The reason they didn't let anybody know before the raid was because of Donald Trump. What?

Well, it turns out because he's such. He's such an idiot that if you let the White House know that you're about to do a raid, the moron tweets about it. And so he's ruined a couple of raids, thank God, accidentally. So they stopped telling anyone, including the White House, because they're like he's too stupid to keep a secret, he'll just blabber away on Twitter, and we spent a year on this operation so we're not going to tell the White House. They did take some of those precautions.

But at the schools, a lot of the kids didn't show up today, not just the ones from the parents, But also other folks, kids didn't show up because they're scared to death. And the school say, no, it's okay, we're a safe haven. I love you, but you're not. There is no safe haven. It's the Trump years. You think they won't. We're still in this country.

You think they won't ambush a school? Ice won't ambush a school? Of course they will. Especially when you have Betsy Devils at the head of the department of education and it's just like there is no safe space here. There have been people arrested and detained while dropping their kids off at school. We've seen that story. That started happening really soon after Trump became president.

Yeah, just to be clear, they wouldn't be coming for the kids, I hope not. Yeah. But they do come after the parents picking up the kids. So that's why the kids don't go. We saw the video where they busted out the car windows to get to the father, to the driver while the kids were in the backseat with the mother. So like this stuff is not a game. I see on Twitter, people have been tweeting rights, know you're right, so if they come

to your door, you have a right to ask this question or you can say and do that, but now Now we're seeing agents quite literally assault those people they're trying to attain. Yeah, and last thing, guys, is that the story about how the federal government is targeting anyone that complained about workplace harassment and other issues is why we have sanctuary cities. So if you're wondering, what does that mean? Why? Because the reason the sanctuary cities isn't to say, hey, we'll take all the undocumented immigrants

and we don't care, we're never going to prosecute them for anything, including crimes. No, no, no, no, no. So of course, that's right-wing propaganda. The reality is that they exist because they say, look, if there's a crime in our city, we want undocumented immigrants to report it, whether it's done to them, to a family member, or to someone else, or to be a witness. If we say we're going to turn them into ICE, if they cooperate with law enforcement, then no one will cooperate with law enforcement.

It is to keep the city safer, and by the way, sanctuary cities, in other fact, have less crime than other parts of America. And the reason is, because they cooperate with law enforcement. I know Trump's against cooperating with law enforcement in general, right, when it comes to his own business dealings, et cetera, but the reality is if you make it a problem and a deterrent for people to work with the government, they will stop doing that completely. And then you have a real crime issue. And then you have real harassment issues and you have all these issues.

The sanctuary city idea is a logical one, not just for the protection of the immigrants, but for the protection of the whole city and the cops. Yeah. We should probably take a break. Yes. All right. Now, after all of this, of course, Donald Trump being this against undocumented immigrants, wouldn't have any of them working at his properties, would he?

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Oh, it's gonna be shorter tomorrow. Long story, just see. Long story, short hair. Exactly. Okay. So Brooke says she likes compliments and then it just rains in. It does, yeah. It's good marketing, I like it.

Yeah, they're just, people are just trying to make me happy, you know? Yes, well, well deserved. Underscores says the president is suffering for mental deterioration when we're allowed to say it in, when are we allowed to say it in plain language? He was one of the stupidest people ever, and now he's suffering with a physical breakdown of his brain. The fact that he's dominating our entire culture right now is beyond obscene. Yeah.

I actually, I agree with that because I saw a clip of his from the 1990s recently and it was a long interview and I watched a portion of it and I thought, no, he's still dumb there, But he's not, he's conscious, he's not as broken down as he is now. Now he's like childlike and doesn't speak in complete sentences and everything is, makes no sense. Back then you're like, oh, that's a functioning human being. It's a human being I don't like, it's a human being that's not that intelligent, but he's functioning.

And it may have been before Don the Khan, like it may have been at a time where he wasn't backed into a corner and not finding himself making deals with foreign governments and things like that. So who knows? But there's, I think there's definitely deterioration, but it's pop psychology, I'm not an expert on it. Okay, except I'm obviously right. All right, so Marguana's number three fan says, if both parents are arrested by the police

for anything, child protective services would have to be called and an officer would have to stay at the location until a social worker came. Ice are not officers, they are Trump's Gestapo and need to be abolished in every agent investigated. So there is standard protocol for child protective services and they did not follow it. So that is important. Absolutely right. Tim says new member from Canada, thanks for everything TYT does.

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Ecclectic miscellaneous says, if you'd come out with a dystopian political novel 20 years ago and had Trump elected as president and doing everything that he's done, critics would have panned it because it's so sickeningly unreal that no one would have found it believable. Unfortunately, that's a devastatingly good point. No question. I know, I'm positive 20 years ago. If I had predicted on the show that, hey, this is what's going to happen.

Everybody would say, full-blown lunatic, this Donald Trump president, are you insane? And then he does these Gestapo things, and he does all these things. And then he fires the baby of the murdered parents and then goes like this. And they would be like, come on, Jay. How could you even imagine these things? What sick thoughts you have? That couldn't possibly be true. And here we are.

Here we are, in the middle of, you know, idiot, what was it, idiotopia? Yeah, the idiocrycy. Sorry, thank you. Definitely one for the history. It's an ironic title to get wrong, but anyway, all right, Brooke, what's next? All right. For years, the Trump administration has relied on workers who entered the US illegally, and this is actually according to workers who say the practice is still going on today.

President Trump doesn't want undocumented people in the country. said one worker, Jorge Castro, a 55-year-old immigrant from Ecuador without legal status, who left the company in April after nine years. But at his property, Castro says he still has them. Now, Castro actually detailed his long experience with the company, saying he worked on seven Trump properties. Most recently, Trump's golf club in Northern Virginia. He provided the Washington Post with several years of his pay stubs from Trump's construction

company, mobile payroll construction LLC, as well as photos of him and his colleagues, on Trump courses and text messages he exchanged with his boss, including one in January, dispatching him, excuse me, to Trump's New Jersey golf course, another immigrant who worked for the Trump construction crew, Edmundo Morocho, said he was told by a Trump supervisor to buy fake identity documents on a New York street corner. He said he once hid in the woods of a Trump golf course to avoid being seen by visiting labor union officials. And just to take it back a bit, you will remember that in January,

Eric Trump, of course, one of Donald Trump's sons and a top Trump organization executive, told the post that the company was making a broad effort to identify any employee who was given false and fraudulent documents to unlawfully gain employment, saying any individuals would be immediately fired. So according to current and former employees, though, nothing has changed. The White House had no comment, but a spokeswoman, excuse me, for the Trump organization did say, mobile payroll construction is enrolled in E-Verify for any new hires. The company is still not listed in the public e-verified database, though, which was updated last month, July 1st.

Yeah, as usual, liars. No, there's a database. We can check it. They're not in there. You know why? Because they still have undocumented immigrants. They did a show of firing some of the undocumented immigrants that they've had. But they've had these for, according to the workers who have been there, some of whom are undocumented.

19 years, for 19 years they've hired undocumented immigrants. They even asked Trump, Trump said, they asked about, are you guys still using undocumented immigrants? You would think that, especially for Trump who lies all the time, they'd be like no problem, like, oh no, never, we never use them or we certainly don't use them now. No, it's weird, he actually hesitated because he knows it's so true. So he said, well, that I don't know because I don't run it. But I would say this, probably every club in the United States has that, because it seems

to me, from what I understand, a way that people did business. Well, they didn't ask about people, they asked about you, right? So that comment right there means, oh yeah, definitely, definitely. When Trump says, well, it could be, that means, oh, we're definitely doing it, and we're still doing it. And of course, he knows he talks to his kids all the time. To give you the depth of how much they did it, Sanso was the guy who organized this group that they called, I mean, it was so well known that other employees at the Trump organization

called them the Flintstones, because it was a group that worked on waterfalls and different construction projects, et cetera. They gave them a nickname. They would know when to hide. They'd go into the woods to hide when labor unions came, et cetera. So the Washington Post reporter called Sanzo, who headed the group, who is, I think, Italian and is a citizen, but he put the group together of undocumented immigrants. When they called him, he said, most of my guys were leaving.

Okay, and then he says, well, I don't know if they were legal or not. Okay, in other words, of course, they weren't legal, of course. The guys who were undocumented said, oh yeah, Sanzo would tell us to go to Queens and pick up ID for 50 bucks, and then he'd say it was good enough. In fact, Sanzo said, they gave me a social license, I put them on the payroll. So brazen, brazen, never cared about the issue. I think it's a thing, I first and foremost love that. this witness brought all these receipts for it.

I love receipts. I love receipts, especially toward an administration that creates their own facts. The other piece is that my honest opinion, I don't think Trump actually has a problem with migrant workers or undocumented people. I think he pandered to a specific base who he riled them up and now the villagers with the torches are like, who do we blame? And he snatched a page from Hitler's book of Mindcom and we'll blame the undocumented people, the immigrants, the illegal immigrants. And so now he's having to walk back all of that energy he put into his campaign. But when it comes to how he does business and his own ethics and practices, I do not believe

Trump cares one way or another as long as his bottom line dollar is increased. So, okay, so I agree and slightly disagree because I do believe that he is overwhelmingly racist. So I do believe that at all times, and I know you know so too. Like, he does not believe these people are as human as he is or someone who looks like him. But of course, he will, would love to abuse them and pay them less and, you know, be able to like, you know, skirt under the bridge a little bit when it comes to taxes and any other, you know, money that he has to do that has to come out of his pocket, out of his business. Sure, he'll exploit them. But of course, racism, the hello, like slavery. There's no, it's one of those things like they were racist, obviously.

But the thing is that they still saw the economic opportunity. And to this day, we still see that they had hundreds of years of free. labor and we have some of these old companies still standing that are empires based on the labor. So I think that the real issue is that America really doesn't have a problem with migrant workers any more than they had a problem with black slaves. The issue is that when you start reaching for rights, benefits, and protections, then it becomes a problem. Well, so I agree with both of you.

I know, I think that I ended up to be agreeing with her. I know, I know. So what I just want to explain, guys. So like, so if you're trying to figure out how Trump works, there's the underlying racism, which are the stereotypes that are in his head. And they're like classic stereotypes of Puerto Ricans are lazy, that's why they didn't help themselves in the hurricane, right? And African Americans are violent and, you know, and Latinos are criminals and all these

different underlying things. Oh, when he went to go speak to the Jewish Republicans, you guys like to renegotiate more than anybody else does. But white man in mass shootings, it's just mental illness, they need. Yeah, it's a lone wolf, of course. If it's a Muslim, he's part of a terrorist organization, that's worldwide, that's connected to all Muslims. So that's the underlying infrastructure.

But on a day by day, it's all about the money, right? So you're a Hispanic immigrant, but I get to pay you less? Great, deal, who cares? What do I care, right? Oh, you're a Saudi, and normally I would hate you, but you're paying me $40,50 million for a condo, then I like it. So if that's fine, no problem, right? Sure, you can murder the journalist, you know, Jamakasaki, it's fine, it's a big deal.

Of course, and that is separate from my other stereotypes, et cetera, because now money's involved. And that's my day-to-day interaction with you. So, and Ashtray, you're 100% right, that he never really cared about this issue because he's been doing this for decades, hiring undocumented immigrants, never thought that that, like, he might have stereotypes about Latinos, but he, but, um, but, um, he's not. undocumented immigrants as workers didn't bother him at all, right? And so why, why did he go down this path politically? Because he, A, B, tested the crowd.

And so he would go in front of the crowd and he would, I would see him early on in the campaigns. He would say one thing and see how the crowd reacted. And then he would say another thing and see how the crowd reacted. And remember, Trump, you've seen this with your own eyes for years now, will say two different things in a paragraph that are diametrically opposed, the complete opposite. It's part of his instinctual A-B testing, because how do I get liked? How do I grab the spotlight, right? So I, you know, not that he literally did this, but probably got close in some of the speeches.

And certainly he did it behind the scenes and talking to his advisors, other conservatives, Breitbart, Steve Bannon, et cetera. But there were also people that were leading some of those studies. So I remember reading an article recently where journalists had identified specific plants in the audience who would start chanting something. And then they were actually identified as people who were hired by the administration. So they would lead these chants, send her back, you know, all of these things to see how people reacted.

Right. But in the beginning, he tested his messages. So we like undocumented immigrants, boo. We hate undocumented immigrants. Okay, that's it. Then we're going with hate. We're hating undocumented immigrants. They're the worst.

But Donald, you hire tons of them. Who cares? They like the message. Hypocrisy. It's like I was born in it. Right? So last thing guys, one of the workers, Maracho said, quote, nobody had papers, okay? About his workers that worked on these different Trump properties, nobody had papers.

And again, if we had a strong Democratic party, everything could be difference. Because in one of the raids last year, in the Ohio raid, sorry, the Tennessee raid, they actually arrested the guy who runs the company. Because it's illegal to hire the undocumented immigrants. It's more illegal than the undocumented, the guy's being undocumented in the first place, because you're hiring hundreds of them, right? Under that precedent and law, you would arrest Donald Trump. We know for a fact, they turned over dozens of undocumented immigrants recently saying, yeah,

they worked here and now we're firing them. So why aren't we arrest Trump? Look, I know they're not going to arrest Trump, but Democrats, you want to do a press conference? You wanna do, you wanna get up there and go, hey, Donald Trump has had undocumented immigrants working for him for years, he should be arrested. If you say he should be arrested, one, you would be technically correct, and two, it would create headlines and outrage, and then, you know what would happen then? Then everybody would be talking about what kind of a criminal Donald Trump is and what

a giant hypocrite is. As it stands, other than like people who read the Washington Post, New York Times and watch the Young Turks, nobody else knows. You think your neighbor knows that Trump has been hiding an undocumented immigrants for two decades? They don't know because the goddamn Democrats can't open their mouths and fight back. But the Sesame Street I word of the day impeachment, it would actually lend to the impeachment case they're voting. Absolutely.

It's currently happening still. So we're not talking decades ago. We're talking today as we sit here, there are unethical practices and they're violating the very laws that they push forward. And none of this is hard. They're just choosing not to do it. All right, time. All right, yeah, we've got to take a break, guys.

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I don't know who on the young crew said that the other day. I think it was off air, so you're reading our mind. But that's an excellent analysis. Floyd says, Trump married an immigrant. Right, you don't even have to do too much, right? Right. She's white though. No.

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He's in hot water after a long history of tweets and a wild email that I think at the very least, put his, his, they would call his judgment into question. I think that's a good way to put it. We're talking about Jonathan Weissman. And the story actually went viral this week because of a letter and email that he sent writer Roxanne Gay. And I'm gonna show you that letter because you have to see it. But before we even get to the letter, I wanna, I have to kind of break down and explain

why we got to the letter. So just a little bit here. So it started when Weissman quote tweeted, Justice Democrat announcement that, Morgan Harper is running for Congress. What he wrote though was Justice Democrats has backed another primary challenger. This one seeking to unseat an African American Democrat Joyce Beatty who represents Columbus. So Harper, a black woman, responded by saying, I am also black, Jonathan Weissman. And then you can see at the bottom, he replied to her with Justice Dem's endorsement included

a photo. So a lot of people were taking this a lot of different ways. This was upsetting. I think you mentioned this on the show yesterday. And so this interaction led Roxanne Gay to tweet this, anytime you think you're unqualified for a job, remember that this guy telling a black woman she isn't black because he looked at a picture and can't see has one of the most prestigious jobs in America. Shoot your shot.

That's so Roxanne. That's so Roxanne. Okay, so now to the letter, because this is so wild. So Gay says Weissman emailed her to tell her. To tell her, she owed him an apology. Let me write down this letter. Okay, so I want to show you the letter. She posted an email, a screenshot of this on Twitter, and it starts with him complimenting

gay in her work, saying he's read her collection of essays, bad feminist, and it then goes on to say, that is why I was so surprised to see your ad hominem attack on me on Twitter. You misconstrued my rather innocuous tweet, willfully or mistakenly accused me of racism and incompetence, seemed to want me fire. And this email ended with, I believe you owe me an enormous apology. And if you would hear me out, I think you would agree. Just want to point it out that he also emailed this to her assistant as well as her book's publisher, Harper Collins.

Oh, see, that's malicious. Yeah. Okay. There's more, but I want to. So you only send it to her book publisher, not because you want to have an honest conversation about it because you'd like her fired and cause her financial damage, etc, right? So, all right, let's get on the Weissman.

So I had Morgan Harper on the show yesterday and we talked this through. And if you don't know the background of this, you might be confused as to why he's even tweeting it in the first place. So the thing about it is that just Democrats have challenged a lot of Democratic incumbents. So now, if you're first of all, if you're a reporter, that should be a really interesting story, and you say, okay, this group has won a lot of interesting races, AOC, Ianna Presley, Regina Talibu, Han Omar, et cetera, and so I should cover this, and he does cover it. But he covers it from an establishment perspective, like they're rabble rousers and radicals,

etc. Wait, I thought the New York Times was supposed to be a watchdog of the government, not a lap dog of the government. In fact, it's not even a lap dog, it's an attack dog to attack the people challenge. The powerful, it's an amazing thing that he's doing, but honestly it's not just about him. Almost all of the mainstream press does it, kind of writing into their articles between the lines and very clearly in the language like, how dare you? This is an established political figure and you're gonna take her on. Now we get to the African American component.

Why did he throw in that Joyce Beatty is African American? Why is that interesting? Why is it in the story? Why did he mention it in the tweet? Because the congressional black caucus doesn't like the Justice Democrats challenging their power because they're incumbents. Now all the challengers are also black. So Lacey Clay is a challenger, now fairly well known, Cory Bush.

She was a knock down the house with AOC, that's a documentary, etc. And he came out there, he says, oh yeah, it's curious that they're challenging African-American constituents. Well, you didn't mention all the non-African Americans that they're challenging, and you seem to imply racism from black people challenging. you, that makes no sense at all, like, no, no, my name is Lacey Clay. I deserve this seat because I've been here the whole time. And so it is a totally scandalous, ridiculous charge of racism against other black people, right?

So now if you're a reporter, a real reporter, you would go, that's curious, hey, Lacey Clay, what do you mean by that? And by the way, it's not the whole Congressional Black Caucus, you know who's in the Congressional Black Caucus? Ilhan Omar, right? And she says, no, no, no, I don't stand by that. That don't make any kind of sense. She's a Justice Democrat.

So he, but he went further. He points out this propaganda that the incumbents and the powerful want to put out without giving the context that the challenger is also black. So why? Why do you do that? I mean, if you say it's not racism, at a minimum, it is because you're trying to protect the powerful. And why on God's green earth are you doing that if you're a writer or a deputy editor for

The New York Times. Yeah. Okay, I wanna show you some more because there's so much here. After the last Democratic debate, the spokesperson for Justice Dems, Wailid Shaheed, pushed back at Claire McCaskill's debate commentary. Remember she said, free stuff doesn't play well in the Midwest. So he tweeted, one, reps Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar are from the Midwest, two, Medicare and Social Security are both technically free stuff and they play well.

So, as you, for some reason, Weissman didn't like that tweet and decided to write this. He wrote, saying representatives Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar are from the Midwest is like saying Representative Lloyd Dogget is from Texas. And he is. Or representative John Lewis is from the deep south. Come on. As you can imagine, this did not go over well for so, so many reasons. And so he ended up posting this a little bit after that. He said early this morning, I tried to make a point about regional differences in politics

between urban and rural areas. I deleted the tweets because I realized I did not adequately make my point. And real quick, I want to go back even further because back in 2016 when Senator Chuck Schumer backed Minnesota A.G. Keith Ellison to lead the DNC, Weissman tweeted this. He wrote, defeated Dems could have tapped Rust Belt Populist to head party. Instead, Black Muslim Progressive from Minneapolis? Okay, you know, Ashley, Mary, I'm gonna let you get coming in here for a second. But when he said could have tapped a Rust Belt Populist, I was like, wait, is he talking

about Keith Ellison? Because Keith Ellison is a massive populist and he's from the Midwest. That would perfectly describe Keith Ellison. But he's black, and so he's another. I don't know, you can't, I don't know, this was weird. Right, so then he turns around and goes, but no, they back the other guy. I'm like, wait, Ellison's the other guy? And he says because he's black and Muslim.

Like, what the, what are you talking about? Can we also talk about, like, John, and you know, I have like a really big soft spot for Representative John Lewis. I feel like if he hadn't done so much of what he's done throughout his life, I wouldn't be sitting here. And so what, his entire career, his history as an activist is about the Deep South. Atlanta, although it is where black people get to live and be a little freer in Georgia, is still very much so, the deep south.

Like, it's, it, what? I'm gonna jump in here. Sorry, I'm just, we're terrible. No, by all means, okay? So, look, and so this is, I'm gonna give you his mindset, because he genuinely, I'm positive, doesn't think he's a racist. That letter's genuine in that he's out, like, well, me, race is. I work for the New York Times. That literally, it's dripping with privilege.

Yeah, and so he thinks, no, the Midwest is white people, and there's some smattering of black people, but they don't really count. He doesn't say that in his mind maliciously. He just thinks, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying, but those are the urban areas. Urban is different, and the Midwest is actually the white people, the farmers and stuff. And the deep south, yes, there's black people who live there, but that's not the south we're talking about. So it's his assumptions more than like, I think, like vitriolic hatred that is conscious.

He just assumes, well, white is the standard. Like the South is white, ignore all of the black people that live in the South. Right? Atlanta's pretty much the capital of the South, but that doesn't count because it's urban. When we say South, we assume white people. When we say Midwest, we assume white people. But Jonathan, that's the problem. You're disqualifying all other people and at a bare minimum accidentally delegitimizing

them. I just, I wish I could say that I were surprised. Like even with the backdrop and the story around who we support, who we don't support, this region, that region to me, he's just another more upper class, wealthy, heterocyst white man in America who's just doing what they typically tend to do. So it doesn't, I mean, sometimes you just have to call a thing, a thing. And we've been seeing this even in like a lot of the candidates interviews where they're just flat out asking, like, do you think Trump is a racist?

Do you think this person is a white supremacist? And I will say that first and foremost, you don't get to tell black women what is racist and not racist, or you don't get to edit or reconstruct their narrative to benefit your And I think that that's typically what happens when you do see black people in politics or people who are religious minorities is that, and we see this often in the Trump administration with Candace Owens and all of these like people who they use them as like mouthpieces and their puppets to the propaganda. But when it comes down to it, we, we aren't really making the decisions that are going to benefit us and be in our best interest. So everything he was saying, it was almost like the teacher from Charlie Brown. It was like, wamp, wamp, wamp, wamp. At the end of the day, you sir, are a racist.

You may not be an intentional racist, but you're definitely a byproduct of a society and government and legacy of people who have continued to suppress the voices of black people in America. You are a benefactor of genocide and slavery. Sorry, not sorry. So therefore, when we're having conversations around racism, around who's fit to lead, I think this is white supremacy on its deathbed. And it's making an attempt to do everything at its power to protect that seat. And it's really unfortunate, again, New York Times, which quite frankly, they've been reaching a lot lately in a lot of different areas. But these are the people who are being authorized to tell stories in state and present facts to the public. And that's a very dangerous thing.

and I think that he should be relieved of his post. I'm in agreement with Roxanne Gay. I mean, completely, I think there is intent there, though. He may not be an all-out clan member, but when a black woman who you say you respect, you've read her work, you've studied her work, tells you that you did something racist and you call her, you email her and her boss to tell her how wrong she is instead of just at some point being willing to be like, listen, just real quietly, can you explain to me what I said? That wasn't my intent.

But obviously I did something wrong. Can you explain to me so that I don't make this mistake because because of who I am, my perspective overwhelmingly helps shape our political coverage at the most famous newspaper I know. Even if it isn't personal, you're exactly right, he has a responsibility. Yes, and he should care. There's an intent in not wanting to do better, not wanting to be corrected, just wanting to think you have it right. And I feel bad that we spend a lot of time.

I'm in intent on perspective, though. I know. I was like doubling up. You have to realize that these people don't, until it hits black Twitter or like everything else, these people have been saying these same things for a very long time. And it's only because of the current social and political climate that people are actually tuned in. It's like a dog whistle.

Like it's like really sharp. They've been saying these things and no one has ever checked them for it. And they've been beyond reproach. And so like I do think, I think just to clarify when I said, because, you know, young Turks like the audience, they will come from me. I agree. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so look, last thing I want to say about it is oftentimes in these cases, I get frustrated

with the mainstream media reporters, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt that they don't mean to do the wrong thing, et cetera, but it's super important for them to understand their base assumptions because they put it into every article. It's even more important for the editors to know that because they're putting it into so many different articles. And in this case, last two things on it is that, look, when your assumption is that black people in the South don't count and they don't count on the Midwest, and a Muslim black person shouldn't run to be the head of the DNC, those are really dangerous assumptions.

And no one, I think, would think, I hope not, would think that if a New York Times reporter wrote, now at a time when the Democrats could have picked a Russ Bell populist to be the leader in the Senate, they picked a New York Jew like Charles Schumer, right? People like, what, fire him immediately, everybody would agree, immediately fire him, right? You would find that scandalous. But you're right, with no hint of, you know, remorse or understanding, they picked a black Muslim to lead the DNC, which by the way, they didn't. If you want to know, they actually fought super hard to make sure the establishment did

that black Muslim didn't win when he had it almost all locked up, right? And Weissman applause, and he goes, well, of course, which kind of political idiot would have a black Muslim? And so how can you not see that that's wildly described? discriminatory. So, and finally, in terms of almost equally bad is the status quo perspective and defending the status quo and the powerful at all turns, which the New York Times does over and over again.

That is their base assumption, and it's a group think and they don't even realize it. They're like, what do you mean we're biased? I thought we had a liberal bias. That's what Fox News has been telling me for 20 years, right? No, you have disdain for progressives through and through. It's in all of your coverage, all of it. So here, a guy who thinks that African Americans aren't even legitimate in some places and shouldn't be in leadership, all of a sudden turns around and defends Joyce Beatty as this poor African

American Democrat is being challenged by a, in a primary. Wait, you didn't seem to care any other time, why did you care about this? Because the powerful must be protected. That's why independent news is so important. Independent news, I'm telling you, I've even shifted. I used to read New York Times all the time. Even there's been times where L.A. Times has been kind of questionable. I have found myself now tuning in to the Young Turks, obviously,

and tuning in to some of these other independent news entities because I think that we have to understand that when democracy is under attack, it's going to come from every direction. It's going to come through the front door, through the chimney, the back door, and the side windows. And right now we're seeing it come through the way that we receive our news. Okay, one more thing, this narrative, it has to, because I think that it also comes from people

who say they're on our side, people who are Democrats and people who consider themselves allied, this narrative that, like, using middle Americans as a euphemism for white people, I'm from Oklahoma, you're from Kentucky. We're just here trying to describe, like, a woman who, I think, went to college in North Dakota or South Dakota, spent most of her life in Minnesota, and she's not a middle American, She's not a Midwestern or a woman who was born in Detroit. She's not a middle American. She doesn't represent that.

It's so harmful and it comes from everybody. You guys are forcing me to say last two things. Okay, you go, you go. So to Brooke's point, guys, think about it this way. And I know the problem is that guys like Jonathan didn't think about it this way because it doesn't affect him. So I was born Muslim into a Muslim family. I'm atheist now, but Jonathan, what you would do is eliminate me from any leadership position. You think it's weird and unacceptable and bad politics for me to even have an opportunity

to lead in any way, shape, or form, Democrats or progressives. And it didn't occur to you that that's discriminatory. It's almost like an extension of like birtherism, like on a microcosm, just kind of like the idea of invalidating and delegitimizing different voices and forms of leadership. We've done the whole show about this. Yes. Yes. And finally, Ashley Marie's right, support independent media, no matter who it is, whether

it's the guardian or democracy now or- I want it to be up, though. But sure, TYP, look, membership keeps us afloat. New York Times because of Donald Trump has gotten millions of subscribers, whether it was justified or not, right? But independent media has a much harder time surviving. And I think that it's, look, obviously I'm biased, right? And I can at least see my bias. But I think it's really important in a time like this.

So become a member if you can, t.yt.com slash join so that we can give you this perspective. Okay, we got to go. Ashton, Marie, thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Brooke, you're awesome, as always. We've got a whole great second hour coming up, including, oh, Biden, what have you done? Oh, the poor, bro.

I'm so glad to be getting up. So don't miss that story. We'll be right back. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. work listen ad free access members only bonus content and more by subscribing to apple podcasts at apple dot co slash t yt i'm your host jank huger and i'll see you soon