The Young Turks - New Updates In Eric Garner Case

Episode Date: August 3, 2019

Will justice fail Eric Garner again? Cenk Uygur, Brooke Thomas, and Adrienne Lawrence, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All right, fun and disastrous stories ahead. Yeah, it's really just disastrous. Yeah, mainly disastrous, but still, not in the rundown, but we'll heard one of the last remaining so-called modern Democratic. I'm sorry, Republicans, is stepping down. So there are, and he's the last African American Republican in the House, gone. So that was a dying breed to begin with, and now it's officially dead. So, and Democrats will likely pick up that seat, but it goes to show you what the Republican party's about.

So we've got some clashes between the Republicans and Democrats today, and unfortunately, we have a number of stories of class. with the police and the citizens. It's usually not how it's supposed to go, but as you know, if you know anything about American history or current day, that is often how it goes. All right, having said that, let's do it. Okay, let's do it. A New York administrative judge has recommended officer, NYPD officer, Daniel Pantaleo,

be fired. And of course, that is the officer at the center of the death of Eric Garner. You're seeing that video right there. The judge found Officer Daniel Pantaleo, who has been on modified administrative duty in the year since Garner's death on a Staten Island street corner, guilty of using a chokehold on the 43-year-old father, which of course is banned under NYPD policy. This is just a recommendation because whether Pantaleo will keep his job is actually up to the police commissioner, the city's police commissioner, his name is James O'Neill.

But the NYPD did announce the officer has been suspended, effective today, and in keeping with long-standing practice when there is a recommendation for firing. And we do have a video, and I think it's important to continue to show this, just of what happened to Eric Garner that day. And it's been five years. Take a look. I'm minding my business. Please, just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone.

Please, don't touch me, please. Hold on. Don't touch me, please. Don't touch me. Let's go, go. Let's go. Damn, man. All right, right, stop, stop, now.

Put your hand, buddy. Uh-huh. Put your hand behind. You can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I'm very much. My former white kid. You're just breaking up a fight. It's all right. All right. Yeah, and it never gets better.

It's just as a horrific, the 20th time watching it as it was the first time. And so the cops are protesting the Blasio all over. Before the debates, the cops went all the way down to Miami to do a protest to de Blasio. The Blasio hasn't even fired the guy. I think he's acting way too slow on it, otherwise very good progressive. But on this issue, I'm sure that he has his hands full with. the police constantly crying and crying and crying, why can't we murder people in the streets? Why can't we just kill them?

Oh, boo-hoo us, you won't let us murder citizens by choking them to death. So I wish he was a little bit stronger there. No, I wish he was a lot stronger there. And so look, I know it has to go through some process. I know that there's a lot of good reasons and bad reasons for, hey, we had to let the federal justice department weigh in on it. It's Trump's Justice Department. We knew what they were going to do, right?

Now they were waiting for the judge, the judges waited. Now we gotta wait for the police commissioner. Well, gee, I wonder where the cops are gonna come out on this. Look, at the end of the day, they might fire the guy because of too much political pressure. But to me, that isn't really the issue. The cops say, hey, it's not fair. They tell us all the time that this is a seatbelt maneuver and we could do it. And so you guys are taking it out on Pantileo when we do this stuff all the time.

In a sense, that's right, right? And then the community says, well, don't choke us to death, and that's definitely right. So what's the correct answer? The correct answer is don't let people, the cops choke people to death on the streets. Fix the actual policy, the actual policy, don't tell me, look, you can't have it both ways. Either you really do have a policy against chokeholds, and this was a chokehold, and the autopsy said it was a homicide, it was the chokehold that led to the death, okay? And you're like, no, no, listen, guys, man, we do not allow this under any goddamn circumstances.

And this guy's a bad apple. And the cops should be the ones most aggressively pursuing this guy for making them, the rest of them look bad, out of control guy who choked someone a death on a street. And now all the cops look bad. And they're, by the way, your cops, you're supposed to be law enforcement. And you should go after Pantalea. If it's not the case, then you say, hey, you know what? then I we'll get to pan leo but I'm gonna fire his boss first fire his boss first right because his boss apparently allows this and now they're all defending it like oh yeah of course

why can't I just choke our own citizens to death well okay then you should all be fired you should all be fired then so which one is it should we fire that one cop who killed garner or should we fire all of the bosses in the new york police department who think that this is a perfectly fine thing to do to choke their own citizens to death. And I want to show you something that the city's police union said, calling the judge's recommendation pure political insanity and saying this, if it is allowed to stand, the ruling, it will paralyze the NYPD for years to come. And they actually kind of threatened that commissioner saying that the commissioner will lose

his police department if he follows the judge's recommendation. Good, good, I hope he does. I hope every goddamn racist in the New York police department resigns immediately. He goes, oh, my God, now I can't choke black people to death in the middle of the street. I resign good, get the fuck out. Oh, God damn it. Man, I get worked up. I'm sorry about that.

I mean, the nerve of people, the nerve of the cops to say, now you're not going to let us choke the citizens to death. And oh, no, my God, you'll lose me if you don't let me murder citizens in the streets for no goddamn reason. Good, I want to lose you. I see, look, I'm gonna go through this for the billionth time on the show. Oh, you guys are against all cops. No, I'm against the training, I'm against a system, a culture that says that this is okay. If it wasn't okay, then I didn't, and then we would all agree. The cops would agree, the mayor would agree, everybody would agree, well obviously the guy

did something that was not okay. So he should be fired, right? Like in a normal work environment, if you went up and started choking someone and killed him, that would not be okay, that would not be okay. You would have been fired. If you weren't fired, people might think that it was okay. Then you could go around in a work environment and choke your coworkers to death. Or pick any other example.

Right. At a McDonald's wherever, right? Oh, no, no, it's cops. They're allowed to murder people. No, they're not. It's actually quite the opposite. They have an extra responsibility with the power of the badge and the gun that they have to be more careful, not less careful.

It's their job to be careful, it's their job to protect us and not kill us. If they can't handle that job, they should leave, they should resign or be fired. And something to kind of just bring up in terms of how broken the NYPD system is, is so in 2014, the year Eric Garner was murdered. That's the year that the internal affairs started tracking police complaints about bias. And from that time forward, they've received 2,500 complaints. 68% of those complaints about the police have been biased based on race. or color, internal affairs has substantiated none of them, saying that none of them hold

any weight whatsoever. Yeah, yeah, all black people are lying. Yeah, that's a good policy. If you don't let us smear every black citizens of New York and every minority in New York, well, then we're gonna resign, please, I'm begging you do it. Can we get, look, now I am mad at de Blasio, the answer should be, look, police commission, You do whatever you want, okay? You got a job to do, you make any decision you're comfortable with.

I'm not interfering with it, but I also have a job to do. You make your decision, then I'll make my decision, okay? If you don't fire him and his boss and his boss's boss, you're so goddamn fired, and I'll fire everyone that thinks that this is an acceptable policy, because I'm not gonna let one more black man die in the streets, because the cops would like to do it and get away with it. And that's so important. It's something that Eric Garner's daughter said, she said, you know, finally someone has said

this cop has done something wrong. And we haven't even gotten just that, somebody saying it, the mayor saying this. But what we have gotten is him almost running on part of his platform is like, you know, showing how police brutality affects his son, as if he doesn't run a police department, as if he's not the mayor of the biggest police department in our country, as if he can't even just speak out against what happened. We haven't had him just say that. Yep.

And the thing is too, that really gets me. Because I went to John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, I trained to be a cop. I have tons of friends in the NYPD, and I love them greatly. And it's unfortunate because so many of them provide a public service, but then you have individuals like this Pantaleo gentleman who essentially choked Garner to death. And then on top of that, you have people in Staten Island who are unwilling to indict the attorney's office, unwilling to do something about it. And then you have the police department, also unwilling to do something about it.

You finally have the citizen civil review board saying he needs to be fired. Then you have this administrative law judge saying he needs to be fired. But now we have to wait for the commissioner to actually do something. And only in 73% of cases does he actually punish the person. And only in 42% of those cases does he actually go with the punishment that's recommended. So we're sitting here with the 50-50, is this guy going to be fired? And so if he does get fired for political reasons, that's fine. As long as it gets done to send the message it needs to be sent.

And then everyone else also gets handled accordingly because this is not okay. So progressives, when you get into elected office, be stronger. Yeah. Oh, the cops are going to complain and put pressure on you. So what, they do that anyway? Somebody's dead. Yeah, first of all, who cares, right? So be mayor only one time, who cares?

At least be super strong and do you do what you know is, right? And by the way, the people will back you if you do that. And then second of all, it's not like they go easy on you anyway. They do protest about you anyway. What is there left to lose? And you think you're ever going to appease these guys? Never, never. And look, I know there's such justifiable emphasis on Pontaleo, because he's the one who

actually did it. But to me, that is actually as horrific as it is, relatively minor compared to all. all the people defending him. To all the people saying he is not a bad guy, that this is a perfectly acceptable thing to do, that other cops should also murder citizens in the street. Well, that's a much bigger problem, because that's saying that NYPD is not here to serve and protect. It's an occupying force for the powerful in New York.

Maybe they work for the rich in Manhattan, and if you are doing, on that day he wasn't He was selling loose cigarettes. He was actually trying to be a good Samaritan, okay? We don't care, we'll kill you with impunity. And if anyone dares to question our impunity, we'll put a ton of pressure on him saying we should get to kill people. Now, and if you don't understand that this is a sick culture that is in so many police departments in this country, then you don't get it.

They're supposed to serve and protect us, but the us is not the citizens. To us is a few powerful people, that's all they serve, and for the rest of us, they're an occupying force. It is. It's the system. It's the brotherhood. The union president's response, that's it, and the fact that we're talking about one officer, but as you mentioned, there was a gang of officers there that day.

There were multiple people who could have been like, get up, get up, get up, move your hand. It's just cigarettes, move your arm. There's a gang of things that could have happened. And it is, you can't protect the brotherhood more than you protect the good, like, protect Like the goodness, if you care so much about everybody not being like hit with this cloud of negativity, then kick people to the curb when they're terrible, when they make you look bad. And that never, I have never once seen that happen.

And it's frustrating. Brooke, there's such a good point about the gang. And they're all ganging up on them there. And then you'll see some violence sometimes on websites of a couple of people. In fact, we covered ASAP Rocket the other day. And it was a couple of guys against one guy that they had provoked yada, it's a long story, right? But it was a couple of guys against one guy and he kind of turns your stomach. But look at that.

That's a whole bunch of guys, a gang of guys with empowered by the city, with badges, with power, who have the license to kill and a gun all gang up on one guy. If that doesn't turn your stomach, he didn't do anything wrong that day. He wasn't the target, okay? He was actually trying to break up a fight. But hey, it's a big black guy, okay, good enough. He didn't listen to the cop for one second, good enough to kill him, good enough to kill him. If you're on that side, I'm not on your side.

And for all the people who are constantly trying to be neutral, neutral, neutral, well, I mean, some people say you should be able to murder black people and other say they, you shouldn't. That is not a goddamn neutral argument. No, you should not be allowed to do that. What the hell kind of police do we run? And so still, right this minute, still not fired and still has most of the cops in his gang back him up. Look guys, last thing, if I had a gun, I would be more responsible.

less responsible. Man, I'd be really, really worried about what to do with that gun. I don't want it going off. I don't want to hurt someone, right? But even without the guns and even without the badges, if me and a bunch of guys went out and one of them was choking a guy to death, you know what I would do? I'd jump on my friend and pull him off so he doesn't kill the guy. Right.

Right. That seems logical. So why are the cops have the opposite mentality? The cops should pull the guy off even more, not less. But they're like, oh, one of our own is killing someone. Oh, good, all right, good job, let us know when you're done, okay? And then afterwards, they're like, well, good, he had to. That's, hey, that's the law, that's a policy.

He had to murder the guy. I'm tired of it, man, we're all tired of it. And so if you want to cry about, oh, my God, you don't respect the cops. First of all, you should go cry about your own president who doesn't think you should follow the law and hates law enforcement. We actually want the law, we want the rule of law, but we want it for all of the citizens. It's not too much to ask for. It just isn't.

If you think it's too much to ask for it to protect all citizens equally, then you're not American and you should leave. I agree. I guess we have to move on to our next story here. Representative, oh, we're actually gonna take a break. We're gonna take a break. All right, yeah, okay, so we'll see if I can calm down enough not to curse. Okay, but the rest of the stories are not going to help that situation.

No. Okay, so Trump goes after Cummings again in a way that is not just child. but you guys, people who follow Trump are, you're so pathetic. You're so sad. I'm going to explain how sad you are when we come back. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-E-Bing the Republic, or UNFTR. As a young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich and powerful.

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Niels, is any person who looks at that video and sees nothing wrong as a person I would never take my eyes off of? Agreed. And never be friends with. So they, like Joe Biden keeps wanting me to get along with people, right? Oh, why don't you just get along with like segregationists and Republicans and Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump? No, no, I'm not going to get along with someone who looks at that video and thinks, oh, that was the right thing to do. To murder that guy in the streets was the right thing to do? Well, then you're a terrible person and I don't want anything to do with you.

Silent approval says, remember Ramsey Orta, the person who filmed the murder was harassed and eventually thrown in jail. That's right, because the NYPD gang decided, oh, hey, this affects us a little bit, oh my God, how dare you? So you reveal the truth. The truth is the worst thing corrupt people can deal with, so they threw them in jail, okay? That's how sick this system is. By the way, there's a lot of cops who watch the show and like this show. And I see them in the streets all the time we talk, et cetera.

But guys, you gotta start standing up, man. Especially if you're in a position of authority, you gotta stand up and say, I can't take it anymore. We gotta stop killing people. And are we ever gonna do anything about the training? Are we ever gonna do anything about like, hey, you guys keep telling us, get the situation under control, kick their ass, slam their heads into the ground, dude, choke holds, pull out your gun immediately, don't take any risk. Stop telling us that. That's crazy. That's what's leading to everybody getting killed.

So anyway, last one. David Simpson from Twitter says that chokehold isn't even allowed in UFC. Wow. And Shank, the seatbelt maneuver is going under one arm and over the opposite shoulder to restrain. I know, brother, it's a total BS excuse. Thank you for giving clarity on the specifics of it. But there is no allowed maneuver of any sort where you put your arm on the guy's throat.

It's just there, it's not a thing that exists. Okay, so now look, you see me worked up. here. I hope I'm not this worked up because I'm about to debate one of our own hosts. It's a new show we're running in the summer called Agit Prop. It's with Hassan Piker and he's taking on the capitalist system, I guess the bear Turk right there. Tyt.t.com slash adjutrop.

The Bear Turk. That's fantastic, I do like that. Yeah. But actually the first guy he's going to come out is me because I still call myself a capitalist and so we're gonna have a two hour debate. Oh, wow. Okay, by the end, can he get me to become a full-blown socialist, okay? We'll find out, well, or you'll find out if you watch, make sure you go to QIT.com.

That's going to be fun. Slash adjut prop. That starts on Tuesday, next Tuesday, okay? And then on a lighter note, Lance Reddick is going to join Brett Erlich on happy half hour. No, they will not be going to adjutop right afterwards. And there will be no Batson involved in that one, only drinking, okay? Lieutenant Daniels. Yes, the lieutenant in the city, now that's a good cop.

That's great. He was great, yeah. The wire's such a good show. Okay, speaking of cops and prisons. Yes, yes. So Angelinos on Monday, August 5th, 8 a.m., Jews against ICE protest. We're going to be protesting Geo Group. That's a private prison company that operates ICE detention.

And it'll be at Triangle Park. So if you're in Los Angeles or from Los Angeles, please come down and join us. It's going to be an extremely moving and impactful protest. Did you say Jews against ICE? Correct. Okay, oh, I love that group. Okay, so we've broken some stories that they've quoted as well and some of the about their protests and the ICE's reaction to their protests.

Check that out on TYT.com under TYT investigates. All right, what's the next brook? All right, so Congressman Elijah Cummings, his home was actually broken into and the president responded with sarcasm. It's so weird calling him the president. I know. But here's what happened. Cummings said I was notified of the intrusion by my security system, and I scared the intruder

away by yelling before the person gained entry into the residential portion of the house. So Donald Trump treated a response, and he said, really bad news. The Baltimore House of Elijah Cummings was robbed. Too bad. Here's the thing, the burglary happened early Saturday morning right before Trump started his week of racist attacks against the congressman and the entire state. of Baltimore, essentially, you'll remember it started with these tweets. This is where Elijah Cummings has been a brutal bully, shouting and screaming at the great

men and women of Border Patrol about conditions at the southern border, when actually his Baltimore district is far worse and more dangerous. His district is considered the worst in the USA, as proven last week during a congressional tour. The border is clean, efficient, and well-run, just very crowded. Cummings District is a disgusting rat and rodent infested mess, he said infested. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous and filthy place.

And here's the thing. Trump has actually tweeted something about Representative Cummings or the city of Baltimore every single day since he started doing this Saturday morning. And then only to lead up to say earlier this week that African Americans were happy with his attacks. Watch this. The White House and myself and letters and emails and phone calls have received more phone calls than I think on any other subject of people from Baltimore and other cities corruptly run

by Democrats thanking me for getting involved. Those people are living in hell in Baltimore. They're largely African American. You have a large African American population and they really appreciate what I'm doing. And they've let me know it. What do you think, guys, are you appreciative? I don't know, I'm trying to figure out for this African American community that was calling him.

Oh, please. I guess I'm not a part of it. And it's weird because I thought my whole life. I've been discriminated like I have been, so God. I don't know. Also, today's making light of the burglary. That was just a bit too far for Nikki Haley, of course, the former U.N. ambassador to the U.S. ambassador, excuse me, to the U.N., which is also still kind of weird to say.

She had been defending Trump's tweets, his racism against Baltimore. But today she replied with, this is so unnecessary, which caused Kellyanne Conway to hit Haley back with this is so unnecessary. So it's like you can't even just stay quiet when you see just even more. Okay. So there's two things. Let me do the tweet first. If you notice at the end of their tweet, Kelly Ann Conway said Trump Pence 2020.

So now, why does she put that in the tweet? Because she's saying, don't think about running against us. That's what that is about. Okay, now, which then leads you to question, why did Nikki Haley send the tweet in the first place? Okay, which then leads you to realize there, that some people inside the Republican Party are now counseling Nikki Haley that she should consider running against Trump. Now, Trump has a stranglehold, if you will, on the Republican base.

So everybody knows the fool's errand to run against Trump in a primary if the primary was tomorrow on the Republican side. And Nikki Haley served under him and she's been cowardly and craven and sucking up to him the whole time trying to ride off his base. So why start to divert away from it right now, especially as the elections get closer and closer? Well, there must be some base of Republican politicians who not only think maybe there should be a revolt against Trump, But maybe know something that is going to put more damage on Trump soon and hence would open up an opportunity in a primary to run against him Otherwise right now just going out and saying oh yeah, I don't like Trump is signing your own political death warrant in the Republican Party and Nikki Haley is a slimy politician who would never do that So she's angling so she must think there's an angle and other people are encouraging that angle. So what do they know about the state of Trump that we don't? Or perhaps they're finally beginning to realize, yeah, the guy's a goddamn lunatic.

And at some point, this thing's going to blow. And then we're going to have no nominee. Then what the hell are we going to do, right? So now back to the original story. Who writes about, look, there's a lot of corporate Democrats, I can't stand. The entirety of the Republican Party pretty much, I can't stand, or the elected officials. And although I'm going to get to their voters in a second, too. And then they, so if, but if their house got broken into, I wouldn't, I don't think I'd ever write,

like, ha ha, yeah, too bad, right, right? Because I'm not a jerk. You guys, you're, the guys who follow Trump, you're basically like the sad, dumb knucklehead that's sitting next to a third-rate villain and go, go, you boss, you boys. You're too bad, right boss? That's who Trump voters are. You're so sad and pathetic. The guy you're following is clearly the villain in the movie.

I mean, which good guy in a movie? Or any story you've ever heard, a childhood story, anything that has a moral of the story. Does the hero ever go, ha ha, I'm glad you were hurt? I've never seen that. I've never seen that. In all of human history, no story ends with, I'm glad you were hurt, right? That's because it's in human nature to actually help people and to be decent and not to be a jerk like Donald Trump, and I'm trying to be as polite as possible, right?

But there's a whole 25% to 30% of this country who goes, I love people who are raging a-holes, I love them. And this guy's such a prick to people who don't look like me, I love that, right? Okay, then that's who you are. And media, I'm so tired of you with your neutrality, neutrality. I don't know, on the one side is one guy saying, I'm glad your house was robbed. I'm going to rub your face in it. And a whole party, not just Trump, don't make that excuse, a whole party, all the elected

officials, and their entire voter base going, yeah, man, it's too bad, there wasn't more damage, right? And then there's people going, oh my God, are you okay and are otherwise decent human beings, and you call that even, it's not even, Republican voters are the worst. Oh, go, by the way, Republican voters, go ahead and get triggered, go find a safe space, and start crying right now. Okay, are we done with it? No, I thought of me, Adrienne, I feel like I talked a long time.

Oh, no, it's like the situation with Cummings, it's clear that he's, he essentially is in a position of power right now, you know, being on the oversight committee and possibly being able to reach into Trump's finances, his dealings, what's going on in terms of the White House with the hatchax potential violations. And it's really interesting because when the Republicans were heading up this committee over the years, they really abused their subpoena power. And I think it was back in about 97 to 2002, Dan Burton, he sent over a thousand subpoenas and a lot of them going directly to Bill Clinton's stuff to get info, and he abused it

to no extremes. And, hey, it's clear that Cummings could probably do that for Trump's situation. as well, and so Trump decides to attack him. So, Adrian, great point, and now you're gonna get me worked up again. Okay. My bad. So, look, Democrats, I'm so tired of you, man. So the guy called, Trump calls Cummings a bully.

Hilarious, hilarious. Obviously, Trump's the bully. I mean, again, we've also seen this in a thousand movies and a thousand stories throughout human history. What are you supposed to do with a bully? You're supposed to stand up to him. You're not supposed to cower that only encourages him. So, yes, you fight back with everything in your arsenal.

Yes, something in your arsenal is called impeachment. I don't even want to get back into that, that's obvious to me. Now today, finally a majority of the Democrats go, oh yeah, maybe we should impeach him, right? But beyond that, every one of you should be calling him what he is, a child, a loser, pathetic, failure. Every speech should start with him. Now recollecting back on the six bankruptcies Donald Trump had, because he's such a miserable failure. It's so easy to get under his skin.

It's so easy. Why don't you pick up a microphone and say it? And then he'll attack wildly because he has no strategy. And he'll be an idiot. He'll say, oh, I'm glad you were robbed, I'm glad you were kicked, I'm glad you were murdered, whatever, he'll say anything because he's a terrible, terrible person. Just hand him some goddamn rope. But no, no, oh my God, I was so scared, I'm so scared, what am I going to do?

90% of them should be primary, the Democrats. You can't fight this guy, retire. All right, let's move on to the next. All right. All right, so a man actually had to be checked out in the hospital after being assaulted outside of a Trump rally in Cincinnati, Ohio. Take a look. Yeah, so it's being reported, several witnesses say, the man who was later taken away by police, the man who threw the punch is a Trump supporter.

Really? Right, shocker. But what is going on? Yeah. This isn't surprising. It's just brutal every time. It's hard to see every single time. Like you get, you're so worked up and so angry about what another person is simply saying.

Yep. That you get out of your car and hit them. And the thing is, he didn't just get out of his car. This guy, Dallas Frazier, he's 29. He drove from some place in Kentucky. He's 90 miles out of Cincinnati, Ohio to be able to attend this rally. And then you see him get out of the car. He attacks a 61-year-old man.

This man is twice his age, and he delivers six blows to him. It's like, are you absolutely crazy? You're going to fight this man for speaking out against Trump? Come on. And this from the people who claim that they're advocates of brief speech. Yeah. How do you like them apples? So Adrian was going to say the same thing.

Who hits a 61 year old? Right. Who punches a 61 year old in the face who's not even defending himself, right? And out of all the protesters, he picked that guy, right? He's like, oh no, not a young guy, not a big guy, oh, the 61 year old, I bet I could punch him in the face and get away with it. So I mean, and then you wonder why you get called deplorable. Look, it's horrible to watch.

Like, why, what has you so worked up? Your person is the president right now. Why are you still so mad? And they're willing to, you know, essentially exact violence on behalf of the president. Over and over and over again. They're willing to go to jail behind their love. And I think if he can only go for six months. He's getting an assault misdemeanor one charge up to six months and a $1,000 fine.

It's like, come on, this should be something greater in this circumstance. Is he gonna go to prison? I bet he doesn't. No, for sure. Probation, go pick up some garbage, et cetera. Comes from a nice family. Yeah, that's what they'll say. Yeah, he looks like he comes from a nice family.

You guys raise them right. By the way, he came out, go, you want some? No, he didn't want any. That's not, he's 61 years old, he didn't come to fight. Poor guy, I like his quote though, he said afterwards, I didn't go down for what it's worth. Oh, hey. I was like, all right, brother, all right. So at least they did arrest them.

And guys, on both sides, stop punching each other in the face because it's going to devolve, it's already devolved. Punching someone in the face is already a terrible thing to do. And remember, there's 300 million guns in the country, stop punching each other in the face. It was always a bad idea on any side. So there's this other story, Trump supporter actually in New York claims that he was assaulted by what he says is 15 to 18 kids. For wearing his Make America Great Again hat, his name is John Torren.

And he said he couldn't identify the suspects in great detail because all of this unfolded in about 10 seconds. One girl flipped my hat, and then within five, eight seconds, I got pushed from the back and my face hit the scaffolding pole. This is what he said, and you saw that picture of him. He says it happened just for wearing his Make America Great Again hat, 18 kids. Well, you know, it's like if you roll up in my neighborhood and a white hood, the same thing's going to happen to you.

And so that's effectively what a MAGA hat is. No, but don't do it, don't do it. No, we can't. And then you would, okay, then the other side, if you're wearing an Obama hope shirt, they're gonna punch you and we're all punching each other nonstop. It's not a terrible idea. Like, I'm sure that I disagree with that guy. I disagree with any guy wearing a MAGA hat, right?

And you're a minority, you think Trump's on your side? Look, I don't have a high degree of respect for your intelligence or your political know-how, for sure, right? But that doesn't mean that you assault a guy. We have got to stop this violence. Because it's, I mean, and guys, if you're on the left wing, and I, apparently these were kids so that I, that's no excuse, but they're immature, et cetera, et cetera. But it doesn't matter whether you're a kid or you're an adult.

If you're on the left wing, if things start going towards violence, who do you think is going to win? Okay? Right. Who do you think is going to out violent the other side? I got news for you, it's the right wing. The right wing is going to resort to more violence, and greater degree of violence, and they'll probably have the cops backing them, okay?

And so it's both wrong morally, and it's also incredibly stupid strategically. So it's but wrong on two counts. And I guess Dallas Frazier guy, from the earlier story, also felt empowered like, hey, it's okay, the government's on my side, so I could just assault, you know. you know, older people in the streets and get away with it. I'm glad at least like I said earlier that they arrest them. They should arrest those kids who assaulted that Trump supporter as well. We're gonna take a break.

Yeah, let's do that. See, what you should do is instead of assaulting people, you should get really worked up and do a talk show like me. I think that's fair. Get your aggressions out and hopefully. Do you feel better? Yeah, I do after the show. Okay, good.

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So I can wait. But I don't know what we're gonna do for two hours, but he's gonna keep pounding away at me to try to get me to stop being a capitalist. Okay, t.c.com slash agitprop, check that out. So, Kamigal writes in, Trump would, Kamigal might watch adjutop. Anyway, Trump would probably pardon him anyway, referring to the guy who hit the 61-year-old. Stay charged. Yeah, that's true.

true, but if he could, I wouldn't be overly surprised if he looked into it. Nicholas Ward says, once again, Trump has only two things in his quarter, racism and the economy. With the economy failing, he's got to be, he's got to pound hard on racism. If he doesn't, he won't get a single vote in 2020. The market is, you know, has taken a little bit of a hit over the last week. I don't know if it's surreal yet or if it's going to bounce back up. It is, that bubble has been strong for some time.

If it bursts on him, God help us all. He'll lose the election, but he'll go out punching in the worst ways you can imagine. Then I really worry about a war with Iran, and I worry about what else this idiot monster will do to try to recover in his ratings. Okay, what's next book? All right, so this video that you're gonna see it, but it's pretty hard to watch. It's it, this story is three years in the making. So this week, we all got a video made public after a three-year battle between the Dallas

Morning News and the Dallas Police Department. It's a video of an incident that happened after a man, a 32-year-old man, his name is Tony Tempa, that was his name. He was 32 years old at the time. He actually called 911, saying that he was schizophrenic. He hadn't taken his medicine, and he was scared. We find that he was unarmed at the time. Police get to the scene, and I think it's important to note that he was at a store and he had

been handcuffed by store's security, so he was already partially restrained. His hands, he was not able to move his hands, he was handcuffed. Officers got to the scene and decided he needed to be further restrained. And so they put him on his stomach in the grass, face in the grass, one of the officers' knees on his back, and then proceeded to stay this way for more than 13 minutes while making jokes. Take a look at part of this video. Help me! Don't have me. Hey, get on the ground.

No, you're going to kill me. I'm not going to kill me. You're gonna kill me. You're gonna kill me. Yacht club and rock ball. That's good, Tony. Please let me go, please. Hey, Tony, we're trying to help you out, man.

Just relax. So like I said, this went on for 13 minutes. When he initially stopped responding, the officers were laughing, making jokes about waking him up for school. Eventually, paramedics get to the scene, and he's lifted onto a gurney. And at that point, his body is limped. His eyes are partially open and listen to what the officers say. Is he knocked out or he didn't get, is he? No, he just moves.

Oh, okay. I think. He didn't just die down there, did he? I don't think he did. Is he breathing? I love this wee. What? I love how this became a we.

Yeah. We ain't friends. Exactly. America. Unfortunately, we know he did pass away. A county autopsy report ruled Tempa died as a result of a sudden cardiac death due to toxic effects, excuse me, of cocaine and physiologic stress associated with physical restraint. The physicians who examined him ruled his death a homicide, saying the stress of being restrained and extreme physical exertion contributed to his demise.

Police previously claimed that Temple was aggressive and that they only used that level of force to prevent him from rolling into a busy street. Now, his mother and her lawyers released a bunch of evidence that eventually led to an excessive force lawsuit in federal court and an indictment. The grand jury indicted three of the officers involved, Kevin Mansell, Danny Vasquez, and Dustin Dillard. But in March, the Dallas County District Attorney dismissed the charges against him and they returned to active duty the next month.

I just think it's important to remind that he called police. Cassidy. Yeah, that's what I was going to get. There was no crime here. I just want to be super clear. And they didn't respond to a crime thinking that he had done it or anything along those lines. He said, I'm schizophrenic, I didn't take my medication, and I'm really worried. And so please come and help me.

And the cops came, and instead of helping him, they threw him down, they zip tied his feet as well as his legs, as well as his arms. And then they laughed and laughed as, you know, he passed away. Where's the help? Where's the goddamn help? He asked for help. And so this goes to, unfortunately, the same thing we discuss every time, which is policy and training.

All you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So a guy, you're responding to your call of gunshots, okay, you bring the hammer, right? You respond to a call of someone who needs help, you bring the hammer. Wait, why did you bring the hammer? No, he asked for help, right? And every police department who isn't adequately training their cops to know when there is a medical situation, as opposed to a physical safety situation, well, then you're doing a terrible job and whoever's the commissioner or the chief should be fired. I mean, how many times we're going to see people that have some degree of, you know, mental

stability issues or however you want to phrase it, get killed. There was the homeless guy in New Mexico, there's this guy, and they were, and he's, by the way, he's wealthy, he's in a Mercedes, et cetera. In this case, I mean, the culture for the cops is, it doesn't matter, all I have is a hammer. Where's the goddamn nails? Let's go nail it into the ground. Because all we ever get trained is we never, I mean, they say that they get trained on de-escalation. I haven't seen it, right?

And I get it, I get it in the news, you see the bad things and you don't see the day-to-day stuff that goes fine. And of course, I'm sure they're good cops throughout the country that do de-escalation too. But there are far, far, far too many departments that don't teach that, they teach the opposite. No matter what happens, escalate. At the end of the day, you're supposed to serve and protect. Does that look like what happened over there?

Guys, and if somebody, and if you're a cop and somebody looks like they need help, I know that sometimes they're faking it. We're not unaware of that. We're not like, oh, golly, gee, we're naive liberals, oh, sometimes people are faking. Of course, we know that, right? But sometimes I need you to consider this, sometimes they're not faking it. Sometimes they actually need help and they're about to die. So you might want to consider that option after you got them hog-tied.

Exactly. No, and I look at a lot of sociological research studies and they pretty much confirm that when you have large groups of men without enough female presence that you get Neanderthral behavior like this. And this is why we continue to have this almost frat boy experience because we do not have enough women in the department as well as the oversight that we need. And so it's something that culturally seem to be getting worse, but also with the advent of the body cameras we're wearing, we're really getting to see what's going on, because otherwise

we were just relying on these police reports for, what, decade, centuries, kind of just saying it went one way and that's all we had to go with. And now we know it's not a safe place to be if you're in the police's company. Adrian, I actually want to follow up on that because there's one other thing, right? So think about why they tied them up in the first way. Which part of the culture triggered this, right? Because it's obviously endemic to police culture all across the country. It's not every police department, but it's far too many.

So they go to help him. But once they're there, since he's schizophrenic, and that's why he asked for the help, He's a little panicked, right? They're like, oh, we are now have a 1% of 1% of 1% chance of being harmed ourselves. We might scratch a nail or get a paper cut or something while we're trying to help this guy. So training kicks in, you're much more important than the citizen. Go kick the citizen's ass. It doesn't matter what the original cause was.

Don't ever, ever take a chance with your physical safety. Take a chance with the citizen's safety. Nope, the training should be reverse. It's, oh, being a cop's a hard job. No, it's not. Almost anywhere in the country, you can take out a gun and murder someone and get away with it if you're a cop. That's the easiest job in the world, okay?

It would be a hard job if you were doing it right, where we asked you, hey, we empower you with a badge and a gun, but we're asking you from time to time take your safety, you know, into risk because you're there to protect the citizens, right? And when a citizen calls for help, let alone any situation in cops dealing with, if they're a little out of control because they have a mental issue or a health issue, your answer shouldn't be, let's, God, why do I keep doing that today? I'm sorry. You're perfectly fine.

We're talking about two people who died. You're upset. It's understandable. Completed. Not every reaction should be slam him to the ground until he stops breathing. So can we train officers to not do that? And when you, when we ask for that incredibly simple request on behalf of black people, white people, Latinos, Asians, poor, middle class, and now rich, right?

Cops go as if they're the victims, like, how dare you? We are affronted, and this is, we are offended that you would, you dare complain when we kill people in the streets, yes, well go ahead and be offended. We find it far more offensive that you keep killing the citizens. And another part of this, a lot of people were upset. Outside of the fact of the brutality, the aggression there was the joking and the mocking this man and it just seemed like there was just no compassion whatsoever, he's obviously unconscious.

And there is this lots of laughter joking about potentially killing him. The Dallas Morning News also got audio of a Dallas Police Department disciplinary hearing audio from that. And in that, two of the officers involved in Tony Tempah's death actually told department leaders that they mocked this handcuffed man. while he was pinned to the ground as part of a strategy to prompt a response from him. Oh my God. What does that mean?

What is, like, come on, it was just frat boy antics. They were looking at his license, they saw he lived at a wealthy place and started making yacht club jokes. While he's on the ground, he's suspended completely, like you said, hogtide. Like this is just Neanderthal culture, and then they protect each other. And last thing is, if I'm the person responsible for this area, whoever is commanding in this, whether it's the mayor who hires a police chief or whoever might be, right?

My first reaction would be not to target the three guys who were there. I'm not saying I would, I would do a very serious investigation, and I would likely fired them for letting that guy die. But I would first go to their boss and go, what the hell is your training? Did you train them that you're supposed to hog tie a guy who asked for help? And if they stop breathing to not care about it and not to inquire, is that the training you do? What the hell do are other cops in this area also trained to not respond when someone stops breathing? Because if that's your training, you're the first one fired.

First one fired should be the bosses. All right, we have one last story really quick here. I don't think this one will get you that upset. It's frustrating, but no one died fortunately in this story. People are actually upset after a picture went viral showing what appears to be a policy dictating hairstyles for black kids at a Georgia elementary. elementary school. It's a school right outside of Atlanta. Here's the picture. We have it. And in this photo, you can see in the left hand top corner, you have what's called labeled

appropriate hairstyles. And it's just three, four little boys with like a simple bald fave, a sharp line in the front. And then we've got on the right what's considered inappropriate hairstyles. And on the bottom left, inappropriate hairstyles, two little black girls, one with like cornrows, the other, with the same hairstyle that I wore up until I was maybe 10, just to bunch of little pigtails with barrettes on the boys, if you can't see them. They just have like lines cut into their hair, little froze. So the district, the school district, this happened to Narvey J. Harris traditional theme school indicator.

It's part of the DeKalb County School District. And the district officials actually put out a statement saying the picture doesn't reflect their system-wide grooming policy. I want to show you part of the statement. It says the image is depicted in this post in no way reflected the cab county. school district policy regarding appearance. This was a miscommunication at the school level and is being handled by school leadership. Non-traditional schools at the DeKalb County School District sometimes have the option to enforce

dress code and style standards. Guys, let it go. It's the year 2019. Right. Right. Right. That's great. I remember growing up, there were more schools that had dress codes and hairstyle

I went to a public school, so I didn't have that. But like, it's, and I remember the Yankees wouldn't allow moustaches or beards, because it was a sense of like what is decorum. So if you play for the Yankees, you can't be slovenly and have a beard. Really? Like we're still doing this, right? Okay, your hair should look like this. Why do you care about what my hair looks like?

What a weirdo thing to care about. I mean, like, and you know where it comes from? from, it's actually a conservative thing. I don't mean to make it political in that sense, but what do I care, sure. If you want to consider it political, sure, okay? But I'm talking about how our brains are wired. The conservative brain is wired to respect tradition more and think the tradition by definition is better, right?

That you should follow tradition for the sake of tradition. Whereas I look at it and go, yeah, but why? Why were we doing that tradition? Was it a good tradition or a bad tradition? And traditionally, being well kept, and this isn't all the religious. And so this conservative trait goes all the way back. It's actually particularly pronounced in Hinduism and for Sikhs, et cetera, but in a different way.

You have to make sure that you either cut your hair or don't cut your hair, and your hair has to be maintained in a certain way. So look, it's not 3,000 years ago where if you didn't have certain grooming habits, you might endanger the community and there might be more spread of disease. That's where it came from. That's why it was in the religious text, but we forgot. And now in the year 2019, we're like, oh, remember what that rabbi said 3,000 years ago about a situation that doesn't apply at all anymore?

Let's do that. But also, I'm 33 and I wear that same hairstyle as a little kid in 2019. It is traditionally, it's just traditionally black and that is the problem. No, exactly, thank you. In so many different places. Their hair, do you know how long it takes to put 49 different ponytails in a head? If that is unkempt, you know what I mean? Nobody does their hair.

Like, it is just because it is traditionally black. That's hair styles that are culturally black that are dreadlocks, braids, French braids, braids that are just a simple protective hairstyle for little black girls or little boys wanting to wear their fro and not cut it down. It, that is seen as dirty. No, it's offensive. Not done, not nice. women still to this day in the workplace who wear their natural hair.

JR's hair would get him not called back to a job interview at half the corporate companies in America. Yeah, no, it's a matter of race and the fact that the hairstyles we saw on the right, that that's more associated with otherness. It's that reminder that screams, oh, it's blackness here, so let me try to minimize that as much as possible. Make sure you have straight hair. Make sure you don't have breads.

Make sure you don't have cornrows. It's that erasure of otherness so that we can pretend you are part of white culture. And that's something that is acceptable. And we've seen that all over the nation. And fortunately in California, we just had the Crown Act passed. So you cannot discriminate against me based on my hair. Because the lengths we women have to go through to put our hair in a way that's socially acceptable. Yeah, I just want to agree.

You guys are 100% right. So it's both things. There's like this old school idea of there's a certain way you have to look, dress code, hair, etc. Then you combine on top of it, there's a certain way you should look. that is traditionally white, right? And so, and we forgot that the country's not all white anymore, and it never was, of course, but we just don't take other people in account. They're like, oh, that doesn't look like a traditional haircut.

Well, no, as Brooke pointed out, no, it's very traditional if you're African American, right? But they don't take that in an account, and it's so it's a disaster on both fronts. And I'm gonna come back to my point, just because, I mean, again, what you said, Brooke, like J.R.'s hair, you guys have seen it on there. He's a senior producer, he's also on air, you've seen him before. It never occurred to me. Like, I run TYT. I never spent one second thinking about JR's hair until you just said it.

Like, why? Why would I care about somebody else's hair? Yeah. I just, I'm amazed by that. That someone's like, oh, I gotta make sure I regulate on that hair. I don't want that guy's hair looking like that. In law school, they pulled this aside and had conversations with us as a group with the black law students and talked about, well, guys, if you have your hair natural, if you have dreads or whatnot, the law firms won't take you. So you need to make your cuts now.

And like my boyfriend shaved his head and took out his dreadlocks so he could get in a major law firm. In news, that's what they tell you. You cannot wear your hair natural. You have to straighten your hair because you won't get a job. Not because your hair's not beautiful, but because half, and it's gotten a lot better, but because you will still come across news directors who will be like, I like her hair a little more traditional.

And honestly, if we normalize black hair at a young age like that and all the other kids saw it at elementary school, maybe when they became adults, they would not ask to touch. Oh, God. All right. That's all. All right, guys. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back second hour, and ladies

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