The Young Turks - Nun Your Business - August 12, 2025

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So a big show ahead, it's Tuesday, so we have Operation Joy for the members. You guys are going to love that. I already know some of the comments and they're in there and they're spectacular. And they, I suspect they will bring you joy. Obviously some of the news will not, that's okay. We're gonna cover the best we can. We're always gonna look for justice as we always do. There is one thing in the show that is an amazing stat I did not know.

And that will give you a lot of hope. Like it's, it's a shocking stat, it's about Republicans, and it's super hopeful. Okay, so that's in this show. It's an Easter egg in the show, okay, so see if we can find it. We'll find it together. But first, a super interesting interview from Doug Carlson. Yeah, he's been interviewing. Well, first let me just preface this by saying that people are big mad, very mad at Tucker Carlson for this interview.

Which I wanna be shocked by that, but I'm not. So let me just kind of detail what's going on here. So Tucker Carlson interviewed a nun who actually lives in the Holy Land. So she's experiencing firsthand what it's like to live in an apartheid state. as a Christian. So with that in mind, let's get to the story. The problem with Israel and Palestine is not Muslim versus Jew. It's the occupation, stupid.

They do not want any Palestinians there. So the majority of Christians in Israel and Palestine are Palestinian. So they have to leave too. This is a very different story from the one that we're told in the American media that Christians are imperiled by Muslims in the Middle East. They are not imperiled by Muslim in Palestine. That is an absolute fact. A young 16-year-old boy, an altar boy of the church, you know, there were curfews going on.

And they had tanks all around the city, circling them. And he was out with his 70-year-old cousin, I think it was, and they were just kicking a soccer ball. He was shot dead by a sniper. Why do American Christian churches send money to a government that does this to Christians? Well, I think the ones that send money that support the settlements are obviously the Christian Zionists. Tucker Carlson is getting quite a bit of backlash from some in the United States for interviewing mother Agapia Stephanopoulos on his podcast to discuss what it's like to be a Christian living in a Palestinian territory in an apartheid state. Now she moved to the Holy Land back in 1996, think Bethlehem, Jerusalem, the Mount of the Mount of Olives, Jacob's Well, and Jericho. These are areas that have religious significance for the Christians.

And she claims, you know, that it's been difficult not only for Palestinian Muslims, but also for Christians. So with that in mind, here's a quick rundown of some of what she had cited during this conversation. raids take place all the time and it's very difficult but what happened the other day was that a a christian run factory inablus there's about 600 families around 600 Christians a number of churches and jacobs well which is a very important site to us we always go there on a pilgrimage when we can and their factory no warning no permit first on june 26 i believe the Israeli army came in and confiscated some of the factory equipment and then two weeks later they came and blew up a big portion of the factory. I have a young man that we just helped come to America a year and a half

ago who lives north of Hebron, the Christian, and his family, he went to school a half hour north in Shepherd's Field. We wanted to bring him to America because he was at that age where you look the wrong way to a soldier and its possibility of getting shot. He's Christian, but he could be muslin. The point is that this is what happens to them. A young 16-year-old boy who had an altar boy of the church, there were curfews going on. And they had tanks all around the city,

circling them. And he was out with his 70-year-old cousin, I think it was, and they were just kicking a soccer ball. He was shot dead by a sniper, 16-year-old Johnny Talgea. You remember his name? Of course. And also there was another, Christine Saada.

Her father was the principal of the Orthodox School in Betzahur, Shepard's So I thought this interview was an important one because it kind of gives you a perspective that oftentimes isn't covered in U.S. media at all. Oftentimes when you think about, you know, ongoing conflicts in that part of the world, you think of, you know, Israel constantly being attacked by these jihadists. Oh, it's, you know, the Muslims who are the big problem. They're a real threat to their security and their safety. And the perspective that she provides as someone who actually lives there and experiences what it's like to live there every

day, I think it's valuable because it shows that it's not just about, you know, Muslims versus Israelis, you know, the way that Christians are treated in, you know, the occupied West Bank, for instance, is pretty brutal. And so it shows you that this goes beyond, you know, this conflict with Palestinian Muslims. This is really about power, this is really about land. And this is about pushing anyone that doesn't identify as, you know, Jewish Israeli out of Israel and expand Israel further. Later in the interview, they get into the Greater Israel Project and she details it really, really well. We didn't clip that out because there were so many elements of this interview that I wanted to talk about instead. But again, this perspective is super

important if you ask me. And more importantly, the backlash that Tucker Carlson is getting right now for just interviewing her at all, I think is telling. So I want to get to that backlash in a sec, because you know a lot more about it than I do. Just a couple of quick things here. First of all, Israel is trying to take Gaza and West Bank, let alone southern Lebanon and Western Syria. That is all part of greater Israel. So if you don't know that they're trying to take that, you might be constantly surprised. Like, well, I don't get it.

How come they don't just make the deal that Hamas is saying they'll do a deal right now, return 20 hostages. All Israel has to do is withdraw even partly from Gaza, but they won't. They won't ever do anything to get those hostages back. And you were wondering, why did you have to slaughter 61,000 people, et cetera? And the reason is because they're trying to take the land for greater Israel. Today, Netanyahu said, yes, that he's super proud that he is trying to reconstitute greater Israel. I mean, he's just flat out saying it. Yeah, he's saying it out loud. He's saying it out loud incontrovertibly, right? And did you guys hear that? Maybe if you're following an online show, you might have heard that. But mainstream media is an Israel protection racket.

And so when they drive out people from Gaza and West Bank, do they go, oh, the Christians, you can stay, but Muslims are going to kill you? No, they drive out both the Christians and the Muslims. And so now there's so much to address there. But first, before we do anything else, Anna, I lived in a majority Muslim country. I lived in Turkey until I was eight years old. I still have a lot of family there, right? And so I know growing up what it was like. And you have to understand something, if you grow up in America, you have been exposed to brainwashing by mainstream media. Massive, massive propaganda against Muslims. And I didn't know why until recently, to be honest with you. And now I know it was propaganda from Israel to get you,

get Americans to hate all Muslims so that when Israel kills them and takes their land, you were going to say, well, I mean, what are you going to do? The Muslims are the terrorists. Not the Israelis, but the victims are the terrorists. It has been an overwhelming propaganda campaign to smear Muslims in this country. So having lived in a Muslim country, is it anything like our mainstream press has been talking about? Or where Muslims are hunting Christians or Jews? Not remotely, it's a giant, massive lie. So in Turkey, I grew up with Christian friends.

We had Armenian friends in Istanbul. I grew up with Jewish friends. Jewish businessmen helped my dad tremendously, right? There was once an attack on a synagogue in Istanbul and the whole country was enraged because that is not what modern day Turkey stands for and we protect our neighbors, Christians, Jews, et cetera. But if you turn on TV or any mainstream media in America, all you'll hear is, oh, Muslims want to kill everyone.

Muslims are evil. Right. Meanwhile, look away as Israel takes more and more of their land. So I'm going to get to a clip where she talks about the relationship between Christians and Muslims in just a minute. But before I do, you know, they also delved into something that you may have seen, you know, some videos of online. Let me see, I want to make sure I go to the right video here. As you do that Anna, can I just say one other thing? As we look, there's three shows that have, in my

opinion, helped the Palestinians the most in the middle of this genocide. One is on the right, one's on the left, and one's in the middle is a libertarian. Libertarian's He's obvious. Dave Smith, part of the problem is his name of his podcast. He's been absolutely brilliant on this, right? And honestly, us here are the young jerks. We have fought as hard as we possibly can from the left. But Tucker Carlson from the right has helped more than anyone I can imagine in any part of the political spectrum. I have to say, I mean, look, I've been learning a lot from, I pick and choose which episodes I I listened to.

This one, I wasn't really sure if I was gonna find all that fascinating. I'm so happy that I gave it a shot and I couldn't stop listening. Like I thought it was so interesting, I learned a lot because you never hear about the Christian perspective coming out of Israel at all, ever, right? It's buried. It is buried, and by the way, she talks about that all the time. She feels that one of the biggest issues in, you know, this emergence of so-called Judeo-Christian values or Christian Zionism is that a lot of Christians in the United States who are happy

to support Israel, happy to send their tax dollars and resources over to Israel, they don't know what's really going on on the ground as it pertains to Christians and how they've been treated. And in fact, in this next video, she talks a little bit about some of those videos you may have seen online. Some of them go viral. I had seen the first one or the first time I had seen one was this year and I was horrified by it. But it's, you know, Christians literally being spit at. You see these videos of Christians priests with crucifixes around their necks getting spit on in Jerusalem. Are those real?

Yes. And I mean, that's happened before, you know, even from the first days that I would do. There'd be occasionally something like that. And occasionally there were graffiti put on walls and, yeah, sprayed on Jesus a monkey, 2013. Jesus is a monkey. Yeah, that was right. In Topka, where the multiplication of the loaves and the fish, a Catholic, community graffiti there talking about getting rid of the idols or something like that some sort of

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So she says that's the least of it. And as she details other experiences, you get a sense of why she feels that way. So, you know, back in 2002, the Church of Nativity. in Bethlehem in the West Bank was essentially victimized by an Israeli siege. So that siege went on from April 2nd, 2002, and it lasted over a month through May 10th of 2002. Israel called the siege Operation Defensive Shield, and around 200 Palestinians actually took refuge in that church. Now, she's going to describe what that whole experience was like.

Take a look. there was a siege at the church of the nativity in Bethlehem birthplace of Jesus, maybe 2002. Oh, yes, I was there. Yeah. Yeah, I had, that's where I became especially close to the Palestinian Christian community. It wasn't just a siege on the church itself. What they claimed was that there were some fighters that were in the church, which actually that's a Christian tradition, you know, for people to take refuge in a church.

But the Israelis used that as a way to, well, they beseech. the church people couldn't get food and medicines after a while it became uh i would get calls and saying you know my neighbor has epilepsy and we cannot get a new medication for her can you find a way to get something in you know through a care organization into us and finally when the siege end during that time i remember a doctor telling me how describing how someone had been shot in his house and he was bleeding to death and he was calling the doctor you know what do i do what can I do? And the doctor literally heard him just lead to death during that.

Because no ambulance, nothing was allowed. Everything was strewn with garbage all over the streets, the bullet holes. You know, what Israel likes to do is destroy. Not only did they control the place, but they almost take glee. There were people shot inside the church. Yeah, the bell ringer there was shot dead. Yeah. And I know monks were there.

Of course, yeah, yeah. So that was the moment. And Christians were shot outside the church. So yeah, I mean, this is again a part of the story that you don't hear about in the United States. And when you hear these details and you put those details up against the kind of statements that you'll hear from, let's say Senator Ted Cruz about the importance as a Christian of defending anything and everything Israel does, you just kind of get a better glimpse at just

how much the Israel lobby has an impact on our politicians. So much so that self described Christians, individuals who consider themselves very devout, are literally supporting a project that is persecuting Christians on the ground. Yeah. That's what a Jewish state would be, right? I mean, they want an ethno state, and they're proud of it, they say it. In the Lakud Charter, I mean, they love to talk about Hamas' Charter, but why don't we talk about the Lakud Charter for a minute?

Because if you find from the river to the sea offensive, well, it's been in the Lakud Charter, It's what Benjamin Netanyahu believes in. It's what he preaches about. It's what he says his objective is out loud, as Jake mentioned earlier. So. Yeah. And I have a quote from today, too, but in the case of the Palestinians for the militant group, Hamas and others, they have it on their charter.

But that's theoretical. Israel has nukes. They have Iron Dome. There's no way in the world that they could threaten the existence of Israel. Does Hamas going to go from stone? They don't even have missiles left now. They're down to stones. Stones to nukes and they're going to out nuke Israel and get past iron dome.

There is no threat to Israel's existence that is a giant fabrication. That is total propaganda. It might have happened, it might have been true in 48 and you could imagine maybe 6773, et cetera, without getting into who was right or wrong in those wars. But in the year 2025, there is a 0% chance that Israel is going to get wiped out, let alone by Hamas that has literally down to a slingshot, okay? So this is all propaganda. And so, and if you say, hey, wait now, this doesn't sound, right?

What do you mean you're, it's propaganda, that maybe you've been taught that that sounds conspiratorial or something. Now let me ask you something, guys, in furtherance of that idea. So if you, if Iran had shot Christian kids over and over again and the Christian nuns, et cetera, were being spat upon and their churches bombed in Iran, do you think you would have heard about it. And do you think that half the politicians and or 98% of the politicians and 200% of our media would have been enraged about it? How dare these dirty Muslims spit on a Christian and murder Christian kids? We have to invade. We have to attack them. They're the worst of the

worst. Israel does it. So if it's not propaganda, what is it? And I ask that as a genuine question Because the politicians I get, they're bought, period. We see the money that they get. It's not, the only people who don't understand that are guys pretending not to understand it in mainstream media. Oh, what is the effect of millions of dollars on politicians? I can't tell, okay? But the media is a mystery to me. Like, they are so overwhelmingly.

Okay, so now to the point about from the river to the sea, Netanyahu has said that many times. He said it again in a sense today. He said it literally before, it's in their charter, and Israel has the power to actually prevent Palestine from existing, and has prevented Palestine from existing. And by the way, when they are trying to create greater Israel, that includes Gaza and the West Bank and all of the Christian holy lands in the West Bank, and that doesn't mean, oh, the Christians get to stay. No, they will drive out the Muslims and the Christians, but yet in a giant Christian country,

a majority Christian country, the only Christian outrage by it is Tucker Carl. and now Marjorie Taylor Green and Tom Massey, but all of the other ones are quiet as a sheep. Oh yeah, if you're Israel, murder any Christian, I mean, that is insane. So to the point of greater Israel, today, you know, Times of Israel, quoting him, that he said quoting that he's on a mission. I have a sense of a mission historically and spiritually, and he said it's a mission of generations. There are generations of Jews that dreamt of coming here and generations of Jews who will come after. He's when asked specifically about greater Israel. So he's on a mission to wipe out the Palestinians, Muslim and Christian in the West Bank

in Gaza, and yes, parts of Lebanon and Syria, and take all of that for Israel, for generations to come. But is anybody even quoting the most powerful man in the region, the one who wields the biggest army and has America following him like a dog? And we're not concerned about him wiping out the Palestinians, but we keep talking about how Israel has a right to exist, of course they exist. They're making it appear as if Israel is in peril when they're not even, they're not within a million miles of existential peril.

The people in existential peril are the Christians and Muslims that live in the occupied territories. So if it's not overwhelming propaganda, what is it? Yeah, no, do you make a great point? Yeah, and so I want to go to the next clip where she discusses what it's like for Christians and Muslims to live side by side. What kind of persecution have the Muslims in the occupied territory dealt with from the Muslim community? Take a look. The Muslims that for the most part are, they've all grown up together, the Christians and the

Muslims and there's a certain amount of commonality and respect. And so me wearing being dressed like this was just like many of the women there, right? So they kind of respected that. There's the same sort of conservative culture, there's the same sort of idea. same sort of idea that we're both have some same basic values of compassion for our neighbor, of taking care of our families and trying to live, they have their form of fasting and alms giving. And it's actually very important to them. And I think the best parts of Islam come from its development from Christian ideas that Muhammad came to know. I'm sure of that. You can sense it.

This is a very different story from the one that we're told in the American media that Christians are imperiled by Muslims in the Middle East. They are not imperiled by Muslim in Palestine. That is an absolute fact. So I'm very grateful for that portion of the conversation because, you know, as I'm getting older, I want to learn more about my ancestors, my history. As I've mentioned on the show before, my maternal grandmother was born in Haifa because after the Armenian genocide, you know, Armenians fled to various parts of the Middle East.

and the maternal side of my family ended up in Haifa Palestine at the time. She was born in 1937 and left in 1947 after the violence really started to get out of control ahead of the Nakhba. But nonetheless, the stories that my grandmother told my mother about how the Palestinian Muslims treated Armenian refugees who were obviously overwhelmingly Christian was incredible. were welcoming, they weren't like, who are these weird, strange people with a different religion? We don't want them here.

We don't want them to come here seeking refuge. No, they were welcoming. And in fact, different parts of the Armenian diaspora, depending on where they ended up, have absorbed parts of the culture in the parts of the world that they ended up, right? So there's elements of, you know, my upbringing that I'm now realizing have been, you know, culturally influenced by Palestinians because of the fact that. Palestinians welcomed a group of Armenian refugees during the Armenian genocide so they can have safety so they can build lives for themselves. And so that story or those stories that my

grandmother told my mother clash significantly with the narrative that you hear in American media about Muslims and the way that they treat anyone that isn't Muslim. Yeah. So she is bold because she also talks from time to time about, well, you have to have resistance towards what Israel is doing, right? And here in America, resisting Israel is, by definition, terrorism. And these days, even if you verbally resist them, they say, oh, you're with Hamas, right? And they try to do all sorts of things to ruin your life, right? So, but in the case of the, sorry, I lost my train of thought there, that never happens. No, it's okay.

So alright, let me pick up another point that I wanted to make. I'll come back to that, okay, sorry. So guys, on Christian Zionism, she's gonna get into that a little bit. And it's not true, as we've been saying to you guys for a long time on the show, right? So meaning like it's not even in the Bible. Like they just invented something and I don't know who invented it. I mean, I know a couple of people who invented it, which is very, very curious. All of a sudden in the 1970s, a new theology comes out called Christian Zionism,

where they pretend the Bible says that Israel should have the land. By the way, not even Christians, but Israel should have the land. A Bible would totally say that. Yeah, and like that makes sense. Jesus was like, okay, my followers shouldn't have this land. It should be given to the people who killed me, okay? And I don't mean that like, oh, Jews killed Jesus, whatever. The Romans did.

But he came from the Jews and the Jewish leaders did betray him. It doesn't matter. I don't even believe in religion. That's not the point. The point is no, Jesus wouldn't have been like, yes, those guys who were down for my crucifixion should have the land and not my followers. It doesn't make any sense at all, at all. But we're told propaganda over and over again, Muslims evil, Israel, wonderful and blessed, and Christians are paramount unless they live in the occupied territories or originally Israel, in which case, Christians are irrelevant. of it, real Christians would be against the Christians. Tell me that's not propaganda. How is that not propaganda? Well, what I was kind of surprised by was when I was kind of surprised by was when I had that conversation on Tucker Carlson's show, and I talked about the fact that Iran also has Armenian diaspora living within that country, openly practicing Christianity, going to church, their churches in Iran. And I guess I just assume that people knew, and you should

never assume that people know, but Tucker seemed surprised by that. And most people in America, now that I think about it, probably don't know that. They probably think that, you know, in Iran, You're not allowed to practice Christianity. There's also a Jewish population, by the way, in Iran as well. I'm not at all providing cover for the Ayatollah and the religious zealots in Iran. They're vicious to the Muslim population in Iran, as we've seen in various examples that we've talked about on this show. But I think that it's being exaggerated, the extent to which people are persecuted in Iran because of the Ayatollah. and it's kind of manufactured in a way to justify a potential hot war with Iran, which I believe

America should avoid at any and all costs. Final thing I'll get to is her comments on Christian Zionism. Take a look at that. Someone like Ted Cruz, Senator Cruz, is saying in doing what he's doing because he's falling a Christianity that is not the Christianity of the Holy Land. It's not the Christianity of a Catholic or an Orthodox or a traditional Christian. It's a it's a heretical belief. What is Christian Zionism?

As far as I understand it, they believe in the idea of the rapture. They believe that it's sort of this cruel bargain they have going with Israel. Because basically what they say, that they're going to be swooped up into heaven, right? And then there's going to be a thousand-year kingdom. And then there'll be the end of the world and the judgment by Christ, and he'll come back. This is a false, it was condemned as a heresy in 381. So basically what they're arguing is that Jesus coming the first time wasn't enough? Yeah, and it's like in a way it's denying the Messiah.

That's fascinating. And look, I obviously I am not educated on Muslim teachings at all. So I had no idea that Muslim religion believes in Jesus as a prophet. it's actually deeper than that. So almost nobody in America knows this. The Quran is the third book according to Muslims. So they believe in the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Quran. So again, I don't know how many times people in American media have said that. It might be zero on television. I didn't know about. Okay. And so Jesus is a very sacred prophet in Islam. So much so that when God sends his messenger back down when everyone is saved in the Quran,

he does not send Muhammad. He sends Jesus back. Okay, so that's how holy and important Jesus is in Islam. How often have you heard that? Never, literally never. You were told that Muslims are a threat to Christians when that's preposterous. cherished Christians, they talk about people of the book. And Jews too, Jews and Christians are people of the book. And so they are to be protected at all times. Okay, so now, does everybody live up to that? No, in every religion there are lunatics, right?

So there's fundamentalists in Islam and obviously in Judaism, where there's full raging lunatics, the settlers, who murder everyone in their path because they think God whispered in their ear to kill them and steal their land. God's a terrible God in their interpretation, right? And there's of course Christian fundamentalists and there's even Buddhist fundamentalists, etc, you get it. But why do you hear so many stories about the Muslim extremists?

For two reasons. Number one, when there is occupation and oppression, what rises up? Do you think it's the moderates? No, it's never the moderates. You think it's secular people, almost never, okay? So what rises up is extremists to fight an overwhelming power, okay? So by the way, the resistance or fighting back in any situation, good or bad, are always extremists.

So that's why you'll see more stories of extremists coming on in Muslim areas like the occupied territories because there's no infrastructure for moderation. All there is is, hey, Israel says they're gonna take this land and they're gonna oppress you for the rest of the time. You're gonna take your homes. They're gonna do everything. And the moderates are powerless, they can't ever get anything done. Israel goes, ha ha, you're useless and you have no power at all and will totally ignore you, right?

So the only people that Israel does not ignore are the people that are trying to bomb them, et cetera. So those folks rise up as resistance. By the way, when that happened in France, they were called the brave French resistance against the Nazis. Because they were. Did they do violence? Yes. Yep. Did they do the same very similar tactics as get ready for it, brace for impact?

Hamas, yes. And we consider them heroes. But Hamas are evil, evil terrorists. Okay, fine, they kill civilians. All I ask for, all we ask for is some sort of both truth and reasonable standards that you could apply to both sets of folks, right? So if Hamas is evil, dirty terrorists, even though they are fighting a disastrous, awful, oppressive occupation, okay, fine, good, we agree. Now when Israel killed, 50 times of civilians when they'd have no need to do it, when they're an overwhelming military power and they are obliterating the civilian population of Gaza, they're obviously far worse terrorists. But on American television, you're only allowed to call Muslims terrorists. You can't

ever call the Israelis terrorists, and if you do, you'll be fired and canceled and etc. So, but but the resistance here in America against Israeli occupation here is fascinating. Because now, as I earlier, Tucker, Dave Smith, us, and some of you have written in Amy Goodman and many others. Lots of people, yeah. Yes, democracy now has been great, a lot of shows have been great. But it's those top three for way even top or not, right? That's not my point. Is interestingly, somebody from a Muslim background, a Jewish background, Dave Smith, and a Christian background, Tucker Carlson. See, that's the beauty of America, Muslims, Christians, and Jews getting together and fighting for justice. But the people who are fighting against us,

are unfortunately have a lot more power. They have, you know, almost complete control of the media in a way that is inexplicable to me. And so what is the pushback against Tucker for this? So, you know, I saw stuff online, like on X, for instance, I didn't prepare it for the segment because why waste time on it? Like, insurrectionist Barbie was outraged by it. I noticed that the Babylon B, you know, kind of made fun of the interview with this headline. Tucker Carlson releases exclusive interview with dredged up corpse of Osama bin Laden. You know, basically kind of like making a reference to, oh, you know, he's interviewing.

No, they're trying to make fun of Muslims, but she's Christian. She's a nun. No, I know. I think the point here is. The point is dirty Middle Easterner doesn't look like us. Bow your head to Israel. I mean, he's interviewing people who are perpetuating anti-Semitism. I think that's the point that they're trying to make here, right? Ironically, as they do an anti-Christian, anti-M Middle Eastern tweet, oh, everyone that looks like they're from the Middle East is Osama bin Laden, but you're the racist? No, you're the racist for doing that headline. I'm glad he interviewed her. I learned a lot because that was, again, a perspective I hadn't really known about, heard about.

I knew that Christians were being persecuted to some extent. I thought it was limited to like a few unhinged, you know, settlers who would spit on them, which was disgusting enough. But she gave me a deeper understanding of what it's like. And the fact that there's a dwindling population of Christians in the occupied territory, that reality now makes a lot more sense to me. why that's happening makes a lot more sense to me. And for anyone who thinks that this, you know, is just a conflict between unhinged, you know, evil Palestinian Muslims and these angelic, you know, Jewish Israelis is, you're wrong, you're wrong, it's way deeper than that. It's not just about religion, this is about power, this is about land, and you hear it in the statements that are being made by members of the Israeli government on a regular basis.

Okay, last thing is. I'm worried about both of them. They both, both Tucker Carlson and Mother Stephanopoulos there, the none we're referring to. One Deb Long member wrote on Super Chat, I'm now worried for her safety. That's unfortunately a really good point because anyone who gets the word out about what's happening in the occupied territories is murdered by Israel. They just murdered five journalists yesterday, actually six. And including one of the most prominent journalists, they have murdered an American journalist with a sniper. shot from 200 yards away. So they are murderers and serial killers in the Israeli government.

So her life is now in danger and she knows that. But she got the word out anyway about Christian suffering under Israeli rule and occupied territories. And then in terms of Tucker, I don't know that he's in any danger, but I do know this. He's not just taking on Israel now, which is already a giant, giant undertaking. And they will come to ruin your life. There's no question, anybody who's taken on Israel knows. Like this idea that, oh, no, it's just nothing. Oh, there's no, anybody who's trying to ruin people's lives. No, no, the minute you criticize Israel, if you're a prominent person in media or politics,

there is an army of people who will dedicate their lives to making sure that your career is ruined. Okay, so don't tell me they don't exist because we all see them, we all see their actions. So if you're saying they don't exist, you're a liar, and it's weird how you're lying for them on purpose. But Tucker didn't just stop there. He took on Christian Zionists. Yeah. That is a giant percentage of the country. And by the way, somebody wrote it, oh, he's just trying to win over the Christian base.

If all you cared was about political outcomes and that electoral success and you were thinking of running as a Republican, the very last people you would take on is Christian Zionists. Because they're a giant voting block, they're very significant. And they, and they usually don't break, right? And when they're moronic, evil leaders tell them, bow your head to Israel. They all bow their heads to Israel, right? So now Tucker is saying don't bow your head to Israel. And so he's invoking the wrath of those Christian Zionist leaders.

And that is brave. That is brave. I agree. All right, we got to take a break. When we come back, we're going to read some comments. So write in, let us know what you think. We'll be right back. I'm here for BetRivers Online Casino and Sportsbook with poker icon Phil Helmew.

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including Operation Joy today. But anywhere you sign up, we love you for it. T.y.t.com slash join. Anna. All right, so we've got some more comments that you're going to read real quick. And then we're going to take a break so we can catch up with the breaks that that we are mandated to take and then we'll come back and do another segment. Okay, no problem. So real quick, a lot of people writing in about you today for some reason. Zachary Stalbel says, Casper, you're looking gorgeous today. Jank, you're looking handsome, but not gorgeous, sorry.

Well, Zachary, no one believes your brother. Do you know what, we taught you guys that truth is paramount, and you just gave us a piece of truth, that is obviously true, okay? Both parts of that. So David, Mike, David, Michelle writes, said, I'm hoping God is real now. him or her to come down and give Israel the belt. They clearly have never been spanked or disciplined their whole lives. Now I don't want that. Do Israelis and Israeli supporters have massive enormous out of control entitlement complex? Absolutely. You owe us. Wait,

why do I owe you? Give me money, give me 300 billion dollars. Why do I owe you? Shut up and give it to me. Otherwise you hate Jews. What? Why would I hate Jews? Give me all your money. Otherwise you hate Jews. What the hell are you talking about? This is insane. We already gave you $310 billion. Now you're asking for money in the middle of a genocide. You hate juice. What? Are you a lunatic?

Are you a lunatic, right? So that's what we have to deal with every day. And it's so frustrating. So anyway, but I don't want any Israelis punished. I don't want anybody getting the belt, okay? I just want Israel to leave everyone else alone. Yeah, totally. You already have a country.

You already have enormous power. You already have a nuke. You already have a nuke, you already have iron dope. Can you please just leave the rest of the world alone? No, well more land, more land, more attacks, more wars. And then you wonder why people criticize you, because you're an out of control monster, okay? You're Frankenstein, you're Lenny from mice and men, man, man, buddy, buddy, snap the goddamn neck and go, oh, what, oh, because you, oh, and I'm like, hey, watch out for the bunny.

You're like, oh, why, why? Are you, do you hate Jews? Okay, so I'm sick of the Israeli supporters, totally utterly sick of them. Before I, you know me, I gave a lot of latitude for, look, there's natural bias that comes with identity issues. I get it, it's normal, right? Now, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you're pro-genocide, if you're so pro what Israel's doing currently, that means you're

pro-genocide, that means you're a little bit sick. So go get some mental health counseling, and I give you no quarter at all. But I don't want anyone hurt. I don't want the Israelis hurt, I don't want the Palestinians hurt. The Israelis disagree, they say we should hurt the living crap. out of the Palestinians and take their land. And that is why I'm opposed to the Israelis, young Turks. All right, back on to you, I teach, and Anna with you guys.

And Nasser Ahmed, thank you for joining Nasser, appreciate it. So Anna was just made a point at the break there about how, look, part of the reason that people come after me more is because I make declarative statements. And I say, I think that the right is going to turn on Israel. I said that on David Packman's show. I said it on this show. And I said it before Trump even got into office, okay? And so that's when everybody goes nuts. And they're like, oh, you're ludicrous.

That's ridiculous. There's no way that's going to happen. And then they get dug into that position, right? And eventually over time, they realize that I'm right. So they come off that position, but nowhere in that spectrum, do they ever turn around and go, oh, right, Chink, with all that crappy stuff we said about you, it turns out it wasn't true, you were right all along. This never happened, never going to happen, right?

Right now, a lot of the left wing host, Hannah is right, are now working with Dave Smith and complimenting right wingers in politics and in media, et cetera. But they never noted, they never noted, oh, we said the exact opposite earlier. Because they don't make the declarative statements. No, I know. And like, it's good. I think it's good that they're doing that because ultimately that's what I want. Okay, like, I don't want to get into a match with left wing hosts. I want to do my job and I want to find ways to work with like-minded people or with people where we have commonalities on specific issues to get the country in a better place.

That's what I care about. That's all I care about, okay? I know, but Anna, that's what we were trying to do from day one. But getting smeared is like very frustrating, obviously, but I've kind of gotten to a point where I don't care, go ahead and smear me, I'm gonna keep doing my job, I'm gonna keep fighting for what I believe is the right thing to fight for, and that's it. Last thing on this, okay, I'm just tired of it from every part of the political spectrum. So when we said that Bernie might win back in 2013, everybody in the establishment said, oh, young Turks are lunatics, that's never gonna happen.

I like being a lunatic because- Yeah, when Bernie then close from one point to 48 points, right? When he made that giant leap, did anybody in the establishment turn around go, oh, my are bad, okay, did Jake Tapper write a book saying, oh, if only we'd known, right? So when we said Biden's too goddamn old and he's definitely going to lose, everybody said, oh, you're crazy, you're trying to help Trump. And later everybody's like, oh, obviously Biden's too old. Did anybody come back and say, oh, yeah, you guys are trying to help. Forget whether who's good, who's bad, who's I, who's low.

Forget all that. Oh, you guys were trying to help our bad for trying to smear you as you were trying to help us, right? But no, never. And now the left, okay? Oh, yeah. Oh, you shouldn't work with the right way. Tucker Carlson's evil. Marjorie Taylor Green's all evil. You should never work with them. Now Dave Smith, all of them, all they all voted for Trump, Andrew Schultz, Joe Rogan. They're all terrible, terrible, terrible, right? And now tons of them have flipped, just like we said on 18 different issues, on immigration, on Israel, on the Epstein files. Now they are all acting like, oh, yeah, that's normal. And that's, did they ever come back and go, hey,

We didn't notice that earlier and try to help. Thank you, brother. And sorry that I smeared you while you, now I realize you were trying to help. Zero, never happened because they would require honesty. All right, and putting inside your ego, God forbid, God forbid. Okay, all right, let's do the show. We move from that spicy take to an even spicier story. Who is likely going to be the next commissioner for the Bureau of Labor Statistics?

Have we put in our own person into BLS? Is a MAGA Republican that President Trump knows and trusts? Are they running the Bureau of Labor Statistics yet, sir? No, unfortunately, Steve, we still haven't gotten there. And I think that's part of the reason why we continue to have all of these different data problems. Well, that guy that you just heard speaking to Steve Bannon is Dr. E.J. Antony. who President Donald Trump just announced today will likely replace the Bureau of Labor Statistics Commissioner that he just recently fired because he didn't like the revisions

in the jobs report. Now that former Bureau of Labor Statistics Commissioner was Erica McIntarfer. She's gone and now the person nominated is Antony. Now who is Anthony? What does he represent? What's his background? Well, he is a Heritage Foundation. senior scholar and chief economist. He also contributed to Project 2025, and, you know, he's got a PhD in economics from Northern Illinois University, and he's a frequent guest on right wing media, so you might have seen him if you ever watch Fox News, Fox Business, Newsmax, those kinds of outlets. But what's important to know about this 37-year-old man is that he spent his entire career

essentially working for right wing think tanks and Heritage Foundation, of course, is one of those right wing think tanks. And his experience working for those think tanks has little to do with labor and more importantly macroeconomic topics, which is the agency's focus, the Bureau of Labor Statistics focus. So he's made a lot of statements in the past that show that he kind of misunderstands the government data that comes out. So I'll give you a few examples as detailed by the Times. In one case, he cited the rising number of Americans who aren't in the labor force without acknowledging the role of the aging population. In another, he appeared not to know that the

Bureau's measure of import prices does not include the effect of tariffs. So, you know, that experience or lack of experience could be a problem. He would still need to be confirmed by the Senate to serve in that role, although I think he can kind of be, he could work as the commissioner of the BLS, but not with the official title? None of this matters, guys. Okay. So this guy's clown and a half, right? Doesn't know anything, he's constantly being corrected online.

And oops, he got it. By right wingers, by the way. Yeah, basic economics wrong. But that's not the issue, guys. In my opinion, the issue is the fish rocks from the head down. So Donald Trump is insisting on whoever is hired has to change the correct numbers to incorrect numbers. Yeah.

He won't hire you unless you promise to do to be politically correct rather than factually correct. So whether it's Napoli or Bopoli or Chapoli, it doesn't really matter, okay, you could hire Chipotle. It doesn't, he's saying you must lie, okay? As since he's demanding that this person lie, who the liar is is entirely irrelevant. His lack of experience is irrelevant. His lack of experience is irrelevant.

And saying that I will doctor the numbers on your behalf is not the bug, it's the feature. That's why he's being hired. If he was an honest, true economist, he wouldn't be hired by Trump. Because Trump is saying out loud, I want you to change the numbers. And the numbers are accurate now. These are the updated numbers. So he's gonna have to lie. So there's a second part of this, but Anna, go ahead.

No, I mean, you do make a devastating point, and that probably explains the reason why. Really, if you go online, you'll notice that the people freaking out the most on X are right-wingers, right? Conservatives. So I'll give you a few examples. Let's go to graphic eight here. This is Stan Vugar. He's a senior fellow at the Conservative American Enterprise Institute. He writes that Antony is utterly unqualified and as partisan as it gets. partisan, he's partisan on the right, the guy who just heard from, who I read the quote from, is also on the right. But look, when you think about it, Jank, who relies on the jobs numbers the most? Yeah, that's getting to the second part, exactly, the markets do, and businesses

do. Wall Street, yeah. Okay, if you don't have accurate, credible data you can trust coming out of this government agency, well, what are you gonna do with your stock trades? So look, guys, never rely on my financial advice. Even if I'm right, timing is everything. So don't make any investments based on this. But my sense of the politics and the markets combined is that the markets are playing with fire in three different ways. So later in the show, we're going to get to how they're doing endless stock buybacks that by definition inflates the prices of these stocks. Okay. Secondly, they're ignoring Trump's tariff threats because they think, oh, Trump's never gonna impose any tariffs because of taco.

They're all eating tacos, not just on Tuesday, but every day, right? So they've now totally discounted the idea that tariffs might hurt the economy. And now third is this. Now on top of this, we're gonna get, whether it's this guy or any other guy, somebody making up numbers about the jobs, so we have no idea how their economy is doing, right? So then loss and the markets and everyone is flying blind. Okay, so when you're flying blind and the market is way overheated to begin with, and you don't think that Trump is going to do the dumbass things that he's promising to do,

this is a recipe for disaster. So I don't know what Wall Street's going to do when they can't rely on the numbers. At some point, they're going to panic because they're going to be like, I don't know if the job members are up or down. I don't know if unemployment's up or down. I don't know if the interest rates should be moved up or down. I don't know. It's impossible to note, right?

because now we don't have real numbers. And that is going to, that's going to cause a massive economic problem. So last week, Antony was on Fox News and they were talking about the jobs report and how it keeps getting revised and was asked whether or not, you know, you can really rely on these numbers or if this is a credible organization. And he said that he doesn't believe the jobs data was intentionally manipulated, but instead argues that persistent flaws in the Bureau of Labor Statistics methodology have gone unaddressed. And honestly, I would agree with him on that, right?

Like so, you know, the methodology needs to be updated or to adapt with the times because one of the difficulties here is getting businesses to respond to questions about hiring and employment. That's how they gather the data for the jobs report. So Antonio pointed to a declining response rate, now below 50s. 50% as a key factor contributing to inaccuracies saying that no one in a position of power fix the problems in the data. Okay, great, so far so good, you know, what are your proposals here?

What would you do? He says the problems in the BLS data have been evident for three years now and they still haven't been fixed. The fact that you consistently have large downward revisions means there are other things wrong with your models and methodologies, statistical assumptions that may have worked worked fine before COVID, no longer work in today's economy and therefore need to be revised. But see, as much as I might agree with that statement, the fact of the matter is he says different things depending on who he's speaking to, and he's not always consistent.

So back in May, he was seeing a completely different tune. He said month after month, the government bean counters under former President Biden published overly optimistic estimates for everything from job growth to the size of the economy, to have those numbers routinely and quietly revised down later. But as we showed you all, you know, when Trump initially fired the commissioner for BLS, you know, the jobs report that came out right before the 2024 presidential election actually had the job numbers lower and then were revised after election day to show that there were more jobs created than initially believed in the initial jobs report.

So if Trump's conspiracy theory is correct in this case, then the BLS was rigged against the Democrats, not against Trump. But of course Trump's theory doesn't make any sense, and in fact, it'll be proven that way a little bit later after he hires this guy or the next guy, and I'll tell you in a sec. But first, who can you trust? So Antonio says, oh, the numbers are a little wrong, I'm gonna fix them. Now, we know what fix means, fix is make Donald Trump happy, so you can't rely on him.

So CNBC is not trustworthy on any policy issue at all. There's some of the worst anchors in on television. The only one thing you can trust them on is what's best for the markets, right? They're obsessed with that. And they are flipping out over this. They are. They're like what? No, no, we need real numbers, not fake numbers.

Fake numbers don't help anyone, right? That's why a lot of the right wing is flipping out because they also represent corporate interests. So this is not like, oh, Trump is taking it to the man. No, he's taking it to the facts. And so since he's going to warp our sense of reality, they don't know how to invest. And that's a rare thing that the markets, the CNBC are right about. Now lastly, so this guy's gonna come in, or whoever it is, comes in, and he's going to do what Trump wants.

So the next set of job numbers will be much higher. Even whether they are or aren't, doesn't matter. We all know Trump wants higher numbers, so he's gonna publish higher numbers. And then the Federal Reserve's gonna say, well, if the numbers are that high, we can't raise, we can't lower interest rates. And then Trump's going to flip out. He's definitely going to flip out. And he's going to be like, and he's already flipping out over Powell today. He's saying that he might sue Powell, the head of the Federal Reserve. Might. I think he's definitely going to. He's, that's what he does. He sues everyone.

Yeah. The president is going to sue the head of the Federal Reserve. That's so maniacal. There's no words for it. But anyway. The Federal Reserve is probably going to settle for like $500 million because that's what seems to happen every single time. So, but what's going to happen is The Fed's going to say, hey, if the jobs numbers are that high, if you know anything about economics, anything, you know that we can't lower interest rates. And then Trump might turn around and go, I got to fire this Antony guy, why does he give me a higher job numbers? Or I want lower job numbers, give me a guy who'll get me a lower job numbers.

Well, that's how we started in the first place, you schmuck, but he doesn't know anything. That's an enormous problem when he's the president of the United States. All right, well, I'll give you guys a few minutes to kind of digest all that chaos. And when we come back, we'll talk about one woman's mission to reverse the legalization of same-sex marriage in America. Carmine back.