The Young Turks - Occupation Operation Begins - October 22, 2025

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Well, hello. Welcome to TYT, I'm your host, Anna Kasparian, and today's show has the potential to be pretty explosive, especially when Jink comes in for the second hour, where we will very likely disagree. Actually, I have no idea. But apparently, for some on the left, having a not-to-the-left.

Having a Nazi tattoo on your person for decades, that's totally okay. And you can totally find excuses to work your way around it. Not wanting to be sexually assaulted by a homeless person on drugs in your neighborhood. Don't talk about that publicly because maybe that'll make you the Nazi. Anyway, we'll get to that in the second hour. Coming in hot, aren't I? But before we get to anything in the second hour, obviously we have a whole first hour for you. where we're going to talk about some foreign policy, a pretty explosive story out of a UK publication

indicating that the United States military has been a little more involved in what's been going down in Gaza than our government would have you believe. So I'll give you some of that reporting. And there's just a lot to get to. So why don't we get started with this? We know that Hamas has to comply with a deal. And if Hamas doesn't comply with a deal, very bad things are going to happen. But I'm not going to do what the President of the United States has thus far refused to do, which has put an explicit deadline on it, because a lot of this stuff is difficult. A lot of this stuff is unpredictable. You basically have two regions in Gaza, one of which is relatively safe. I wouldn't say very safe. And one of which is incredibly dangerous. And part of ensuring that we get to a durable peace is to broaden the scope of the area that's safe. The most dangerous thing in Gaza at the moment is Israeli occupation with U.S. backing.

And it appears that what you're hearing in that whole spiel by our vice president, J.D. Vance, is nothing more than a bunch of bull crap. Now, why do I say that? Because we know what's being planned in Gaza. We just shared a story, an in-depth story out of Israeli media this week indicating that you have the who's who of U.S. billionaires planning to essentially steal the land in Gaza. Part of it will belong to Israel apparently. But a huge portion of it will be used as a tax-free haven for tech billionaires and other billionaires here in the United States. They plan on building AI centers, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, I mean, Steve Whitkoff, all sorts of people who are either in the Trump administration or in the periphery of the Trump

administration are involved. And now we have the Wall Street Journal confirming some of that reporting to some extent. Although whether they know it or not, they're hiding the ball, at least a portion of it. So let's get to the details. So Israel and the Trump administration are apparently hatching a plan, according to the Wall Street Journal, that would only allow for reconstruction of the Gaza Strip in the area that is occupied. by the Israelis. Right now, about 53% of the Gaza Strip is occupied by the IDF. It looks like that's never going to change. In fact, it's very likely that that occupation is going to expand further in the coming years. But for now, the big argument that we're

hearing from Jared Kushner, an unofficial White House advisor, is that, you know, Hamas isn't disarming, so we're going to go ahead and just take that land from the Palestinians. He's not saying that out loud, but that's essentially what's happening here. The 53% that's occupied by the Israelis, we're going to go ahead and do some reconstruction work there. And this is somehow going to convince Hamas to disarm as Hamas and the Palestinian civilians, ordinary innocent people who didn't ask for this, they don't want this, but they're treated as if they themselves are terrorist. You're going to tell me that they're going to live in a wasteland that was created by Israel with the use of American taxpayer funded bombs.

And they're just, they're just going to like sit back and let it happen and Hamas is going to be weakened by it. I don't think that's the way these things work. So the idea was openly floated by Vice President J.D. Vance and Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner during this press conference in Israel that took place today. Reconstruction, again, would only take place on the Israeli controlled side. So do the governments who have committed providing some of the funding for the reconstruction, no, that essentially their money is going to go toward helping Israel build its empire through helping them essentially construct new homes and a whole new civilization on stolen

Palestinian land. Did they know that? And if they did know that, are they aware that they're some of the worst scummy people on the planet. Because so far for all the people who just have like a basic superficial surface level understanding of this whole situation, they were under the impression that no, no, no, the reconstruction is gonna be for the whole of the Gaza Strip on behalf of the Palestinian people. Now I didn't believe that from day one because I'm not stupid.

I pay attention to the news and I go a little deeper than what New York Times or the Washington Post is reporting on this. So for the Palestinian side that's governed by Hamas, no reconstruction will take place unless Hamas is disarmed. Do you guys remember when Israel told all of us that as soon as all the hostages are returned by Hamas, the war's over. Do you guys remember that? Did it work out that way?

Because as far as I know, more airstrikes and more annihilation and slaughter has been taking place. to the same insane extent as before, but it doesn't look like Israeli forces are interested in withdrawing from Gaza at all. They have all the living hostages. All of the remaining deceased hostages in Gaza are trapped under tons of rubble, which of course is the IDF's doing. And they don't even want to allow the heavy machinery into the Gaza Strip so Hamas can recover said bodies. I mean, who cares about the Palestinians that remain trapped under the rubble? Right?

Laughably, Kushner wants you to believe that the Palestinians will be welcome back to the area of Gaza, the 53% that's currently being occupied by the Israelis, because he thinks we're stupid. And I don't think Americans should allow themselves to be insulted by an unofficial White House advisor who's nothing more than a disgusting low life who has moved up the ladder due to nepotism. Making all sorts of shady deals with the Saudis, and by the way, all these Arab leaders, pathetic, okay? The United States government disgusts me over what they have greenlit in the annihilation of the Gaza Strip and the persecution of the Palestinian people, full stop. But all these Arab leaders, okay, bowing their heads to a genocidal government because the United States is bribing you to, it's disgusting. In reality, over time, Israel could take more territory from Hamas' control, while at the same

time strengthening a security buffer between Israeli towns near the border with Gaza that were attacked during the Hamas-led October 7th, 2023 assault that sparked the war. So where are the Palestinians going to go? Right, close to, I mean, we don't know how many Palestinians are left, really. They still won't allow any international journalists, like actual journalists to go visit and do some original reporting. There are still journalists on the ground, Palestinian journalists, the ones who haven't been slaughtered by Israel yet. But this story is kind of amazing, right? Because like this argument about refugee crises,

mass migration situations, you know, the very things that Lily White Westerners like to complain about because they're terrified of Islamification. They're scared of, they're scared of the Muslims. They're so scared of the Muslims. As they hand over the resources from their own countries and not along, as Israel conducts its genocide and displaces millions of people. Where are those millions of people going to go, do you think? Where are they supposed to go? I know that the Trump White House has tried to do some negotiations with countries like Sudan, maybe Somalia, maybe Somalia, the country we've been bombing for several decades will take them in. It's disgusting. All of this is so disgusting.

If you are an American, your money went toward annihilation, land theft, and a refugee resettlement program. An unjust one, to be completely fair and honest here about what's going on. This is so crazy. How's your health care doing? Were you able to afford that doctor's bill? Oh, you just popped out a baby a week ago? you better get back to work, back to the mines. We got to work hard.

We got to, of course, make a living for the genocidal Israeli government. So disgusting. According to the journals reporting, there's more. White House officials said Kushner is the driving. force behind the split reconstruction plan. I'm sure he is. Having devised it alongside special envoy Steve Whitkoff, who even I was stupid enough to be fooled by early on in Trump's second term and thinking that he actually wants peace because he wants to do the right thing. What they want to do is drive the Palestinians out of the Gaza Strip. They want peace, yes, because it's really hard

to, you know, profit off land that doesn't belong to you when you have a war going on. They said Kushner has brief Trump and Vance on the plan and has secured their support, which doesn't surprise me at all because they stand to profit from the AI centers and whatever other ridiculous plans they have for the future of the Gaza Strip. Arab mediators who are pathetic say they're alarmed by the plan. Ooh, they're alarmed. Are they writing strong letters to the U.S. government as well? Are they also wagging their fingers like Biden did when he was president and didn't like

how the Israelis were handling or prosecuting this war in Gaza? Yeah, save your alarm to yourself. I don't believe anyone is alarmed about anything unless they're willing to put their foot down and put action behind those concerns or those alarms. Arab governments strongly opposed the idea of dividing Gaza. Well, it's happened, it's already happened. 53% of it is already occupied by the Israelis. And they want more.

And they're gonna get more. They're gonna get more. Because the Arabs are weak. The US government is either bribed or blackmailed by the Israelis. This is how they play. And this is how they accumulate power, steal land, and then play the victim when they're the victims of a terrorist attack. I mean, you got it, you really, it's awe-inspiring, it really is.

Because any other human being functions with the understanding that every action you take is going to have a reaction, a consequence. So for instance, if I, let's say, decide, I like my neighbor's home more than I like my home. But I'm going to keep my home. I'm going to keep my home. Okay, that's the land of the Casparians. I'm going to keep that. But my neighbor, beautiful two-story home, nice railing around with nice white picket fence, I'm going to go in and take it.

I'm going to go take it. Now, anyone who believes in justice, who believes in fairness would say, Anna, you can't do that. That's not your property. You can't steal it like that. But how are you going to make that argument here in the United States when our government, regardless of whether it's a Democratic administration or Republican administration, has been aiding and abetting the land grabs that have been taking place in the Middle East. They have no leg to stand on.

You want to criticize human rights abuses, whether it be in freaking China or Russia or Ukraine or whatever. I don't want to hear a damn word out of any single politician in the U.S. government that is aided and abetted the atrocities that we have been watching with our own two eyes, hearing with our own two ears over the last two years. It's many Arab governments believe the enclave needs to be overseen by the Palestinian Authority, which governs much of the West Bank. But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nanyahu is strongly opposed to allowing it a role. And he'll get what he wants because the Israelis always get what they want. As long as the top military superpower on this globe, the United States backs them in any atrocity they want to commit, they will commit the atrocities.

The Palestinian Authority has been so deferential to the Israelis in the West Bank. They govern the West Bank, and they've lost credibility with the Palestinians because they've done nothing for the Palestinians. And even they aren't good enough for Benjamin Netanyahu. And why is that? Is it because he's actually fearful that the Palestinian Authority is really some terror organization that's going to threaten the lives of the precious Israelis? No, of course not. Because he doesn't want the Palestinians on that land. Whether it's Gaza, whether it's the West Bank, he's coming for you.

And here's the absolutely genius thinking in Israel. The plan to build up Israeli-controlled areas in Gaza could weaken Hamas politically while enabling Israel's military to conduct operations that further erode the group's ability to fight, said Offer Gutterman, a senior researcher at the Tel Aviv-based Institute for National Security Studies. Oh, totally. I mean, that's how things work. So let's say I were the person who just witnessed my home getting stolen from me. And all of my family members have been slaughtered by the very individual or individuals who stole my home. As they're remodeling the home that used to belong to me but was stolen by me, I'm just going to watch it and just, feel, you know, less angry about it.

I'm not going to want any revenge. I'm not going to want to retaliate. It's just going to weaken me. That's how the world works. These people are total geniuses. So look, you should also find the idea that the Israelis are acting in good faith. Dubious, ridiculous, because they never operate in good faith. They haven't operated in good faith at all over the last two years.

They have lied to us, they have lied to everyone globally. They have bombed every hospital in Gaza. They have destroyed every university in Gaza. They have told Palestinian refugees, they've displaced them, told them to evacuate to certain parts of the Gaza Strip for Safety, and then they bombed them. That's who the Israelis are, the IDF, not the civilians. When I say the Israelis, okay, this is for Canary Mission. and all the other people who like to pretend as though my commentary has to do with powerless

people who are civilians and don't really have much of a say. Based on those mass protests, didn't have much of a say over what the Israeli government was up to. So when I say the Israelis, I mean the military and I mean the government, the people who have power, okay? They have not acted in good faith at all. And in fact, the only area in which I can believe them is when they're in Israel. Israeli media, and they're just brazenly saying what they plan to do, how they can't get enough of the slaughter in Gaza, how they want to take that land, how as soon as all the living hostages are returned, they plan to go right back to annihilation. I choose to believe them when they actually tell the truth. And they do tell the truth in Israeli media.

Here's what the Knesset was up to today. This is according to Reuters, Israel's parliament gives initial nod to occupied West Bank annexation. West Bank has nothing to do with Hamas. West Bank is governed by the weak, pathetic, cowering Palestinian authority. And I don't know what kind of excuse the Israelis can possibly give. to justify this brazen land theft, but that's what they're going to do. And that's what they voted on literally today. Right wing lawmakers voted on Wednesday to pass in its preliminary reading, a bill

that would apply Israeli sovereignty, Israeli sovereignty to all West Bank settlements, as well as another more limited bill to annex a major city settlement. The broader bill requires Israel to apply its laws and sovereignty to the areas of settlement in Judea and Samaria to establish the status of these areas as an inseparable part of the sovereign state of Israel. Now this isn't a done deal yet, but it will be. It still has a few more obstacles that I think really aren't much obstacles when you consider the makeup of the current Israeli government.

The bills must still pass three additional votes and will now be referred to to the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee for further consideration. People get really upset because they're entitled pricks when I talk about the Israeli government the way I do. Now, if this were some, I don't know, any other government, if this were the Armenian government, okay, the Armenian government, if our government was this upset, With stealing the resources of my fellow Americans to help Armenia commit mass slaughter, I would be talking about this the exact same way. I've got no dog in the fight. You guys understand that? I'm not a supporter of Hamas.

People get mad at me for that too. I don't really care. What they did on October 7th was disgusting. Killing innocent civilians is always wrong. That is not resistance. Okay? But I'm also not going to provide cover for the two straight years and more of endless slaughter, endless annihilation, endless land theft.

And that's just over the last two years. We've been talking about what's been going down over the last several decades in that region of the world. And the bad actor is not all of the various Muslim countries that the United States has been bombing for decades. No, the bad actor is the country that has led to the instability in that entire region. And that's Israel, because it's never enough for them. It's never enough. The borders that they already had, which were already incredibly unjust, that still wasn't enough. And Lebanon, they're bombing you for a reason.

Even though there's a ceasefire that they signed, that ceasefire is supposed to be in place. They are bombing southern Lebanon as they try to construct all of the buildings that have been bombed by Israel previously because they intend to take that land. They haven't withdrawn from southern Lebanon because they intend to take that land. Can we just stop pretending? I'm so sick of the pretending. If you want to pretend, then go ahead, I'm not pretending. I see what's happening, it's super obvious.

And what's amazing to me is, I tell you exactly what's going to happen, it happens. And no one who denied it or doubted it comes back to me and says, you know what, Anna, you were right. Like Jillian Michaels, never comes back to say, you know what, Anna, you were right. This is an expansionist land grab project by the Israelis. They just move the goalpost to something even more disgusting and extreme. And don't worry, the Israelis will accomplish that too. We'll be right back. What's up, everyone back to the show.

Make it make sense, right, it says, I think the Nazi comparison isn't the best fit. I'm now convinced maybe a USA comparison is better for Israel. Tell me this doesn't sound like how the US expanded west and handled native tribes. Yeah, and that was disgusting deplorable behavior. But while there was certainly all sorts of atrocities committed by, you know, those who expanded West against the Native Americans, eventually there was an effort to make amends. And now, you know, can you imagine if today the United States was trying to find a way to annihilate and purge Native Americans from American soil?

we'd find that disgusting, right? But we're funding it in the Middle East. Constantine Kavarra says, I live in New York and Cuomo has the worst ads. It opens with someone saying, I don't always agree with Andrew Cuomo, but I know he can get the job done. Agreed. I disagree with him and he'll be able to accomplish those things I disagree with. Dude, that, that, I can't believe he felt entitled to be the next mayor, considering what his right. record look like as governor of New York. Anyway, let's get to our next story.

It's disappointing when you look at some of those polls about where people talk about socialism, even though if you ask the question, give me a country where socialism has worked, you know, there's not an answer. And give me a city where it's really worked, there's not an answer. Well, well, well, the very people who totally defended and provided cover for crony capitalism in America are now worried and shocked. and chagrined, that people are embracing socialism in the U.S. Now, it turns out that when you make this country unlivable for people who aren't rich, they're gonna be angry about it, and they're gonna look to other systems, economic system, systems of government, for answers, for solutions.

And the fact that Brett Bear doesn't realize that blows my mind. And it's, honestly, the fact that he is who he is, who he's, He works at where he works and runs in circles or runs within circles of people who are just totally disconnected from the reality of the vast majority of Americans. I mean, a ton of Americans are currently crippled with credit card debt because they can't afford to make ends meet and they have to charge their groceries on their credit card bill. So yeah, people are not turned off by Zoran Mamdani. and his labeling himself as a socialist.

You should ask why that is instead of fear mongering about it. So look, he failed to explain why Americans are turning away from capitalism, and we're going to get to that in just a second, but first some context. So Brett Baer, who among the cohort of Fox News personalities, I think tries to be more of a straight journalist. list, but still, of course, as you can see, injects his opinion into some of these segments was referencing the following segment from NBC News. Gallup has been testing this for years, for decades, really, basic attitudes towards socialism

and capitalism. These are the latest numbers that they came up with. Overall, asking folks, do you have a positive view of socialism? 39% of Americans said yes. 54% said they had a positive view of capitalism. But look at the party split here among Democrats. Look at socialism. That's nationally again. Two-thirds of Democrats nationally, not talking to New York City, but across the country, say to Gallup they have a favorable positive view of socialism, only 42% of capitalism. Go back to 2010 here. Democrats were basically split then, 15 years ago, positive, negative on capitalism. And look at that number. It kind of stayed steady. And then in the last five years, it's fallen down to 42%, barely over 40%.

And in that same time, take a look at what's happened with socialism. Again, Democratic Party attitudes here. 2010, it was 50-50, it's ticked up. And now in the last couple of readouts, two-thirds of Democrats saying they have a positive image of socialism. Again, when people feel that the system that they're living and operating under is doing nothing for them, and in fact, it feels like that system is crushing them, they're going to look for other solutions, which is why in the, I don't know, since the 70s, as the quality

of life for Americans has steadily decreased, you've had people like Brett Bear and people and cable news in mainstream media consistently provide cover for the very system that's been crushing people. They had an opportunity to talk about, hey, maybe we should do something about regulations to prevent these monopolies from forming. Maybe we should do something about the fact that this is a story I'm currently investigating and working on. It's blowing my mind. You know those luxury high rises that have all those units that sit empty for a long period of time of your are wondering, like, how are the developers just allowing these units to sit empty? How are they, like they're losing money.

You would think they'd want to rent it out. It turns out that they're charging fees that are not refundable every time someone wants to apply for one of those units can be anywhere from $45 to $60 per application. And they just keep rejecting applications, but they don't refund the money. Seems like a bit of a scam, doesn't it? Now, at the same time, the property appreciates in value. in this insane housing market. So it's a win-win for the developers.

And why aren't our politicians, whether it's on a local level or federal level, doing something to stop that kind of scam behavior from happening? Because obviously we have a shortage of housing. If we have empty vacant units, I think the developers or the landlord should feel compelled to rent them out, no? This is nuts. But anyway, these are the types of, I'm giving you a very specific example. But housing, obviously, is an impossible situation for so many Americans, credit card debt, crushing Americans, student loan debt for a long time, crushing Americans, but not every American.

That's a specific demographic of people in the country who are having a really hard time paying off those loans, yes, but also realizing that that college education isn't necessarily going to give them what they need in terms of a high enough income to make ends meet, especially in the age of AI, automation, you get the picture. Coters, remember when Hillary Clinton said that we should teach all those people who work in coal mines to code? Learn to code. Yeah, coders are losing their jobs at a record pace because of AI.

Yesterday, Larry Elder posted the following, which was a plain labeled Mamdani that was about to crash into the World Trade Center, or a building at least, saying, and New York City. just because Mobbani is Muslim. Can you just, can you imagine if any other public figure did the same and put Israel on that plane? I know it would happen. So as you can tell, conservative commentators are happy to bash socialism, but they're not addressing the big question, right? So what is driving Democratic voters away from our current? economic situation. So here are some of the reasons, okay? I've given you some specific reasons, but I think what's also important to focus on here is some of this new reporting

over at the Wall Street Journal. The average cost of a family health insurance plan is now $27,000. Cool, totally affordable, not a big deal, right? The data is from a survey that was carried out by KFF, and if you take a look at this chart, you'll see how health insurance costs have gone up since 2010. That year, employers paid a little less than $10,000 per family health insurance plan. And workers contributed a little more than $4,000 per year. But this year, employers were paying over $20,000 per family health insurance plan. And workers are paying just shy of $7,000 per year. And remember, we're talking about people who are fortunate enough to be employed right now and fortunate enough to be employed full time at a company that offers benefits.

Not a lot of people, well, a lot of people do have that privilege luckily, but many Americans don't. We literally have tens of millions of Americans who don't have any healthcare coverage at all. The cost of health insurance increased 6% from the year before and builds on two prior years of seven percent gains. The cost of the cost is rising faster than inflation. And really the only politician in Congress that I've seen make a big deal about this is, and I can't believe I'm saying this, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green. Now look, Democrats are holding up the government funding bill because they want an extension on the Affordable Care Act subsidies so people's premiums don't double.

And I do give them credit for that. But I also discredit their efforts when they start tacking on a bunch of other issues that muddies the water and makes their strategy less sound. Keep it simple, stupid. It's like the Democrats forgot how to do politics. But anyway, so according to the Wall Street Journal, health insurance costs are rising due to increased spending on health care. And that's because higher rates of medical conditions like cancer for working class Americans is becoming an issue, right? More and more Americans are developing cancer, increased hospital prices.

So hospitals are charging more for their services. and more expensive treatments like GLP-1s, aka weight loss treatments like OZMPIC. Now that's the off-label use for it. It's also for diabetes patients. Now, these higher costs are hitting small businesses the absolute hardest. More than half of small business owners reported

that health insurance costs increased by 10% or more this year, according to a survey of 36 small businesses conducted in October. It would be great to live in a country where your employer is not responsible for your health care coverage. And Americans don't feel stuck working at a company they don't want to work for merely because they need health care. I want to live in a country where we actually have freedom and that's just not the case here. The problem goes far beyond health insurance. Our citizens are starting to give up entirely on the entire concept of the American dream. And here's what the Wall Street

Journal reported just last month. Nearly 70% of people said they believe the American dream that if you work hard, you will get ahead, no longer holds true or never did. The highest level in nearly 15 years of surveys. Democrats felt more negative about the economy than Republicans did. I don't want you to mistake that as, oh, well, it's because Republicans are rich and greedy. That's not the case. We're talking about ordinary people here, and they're not doing well either. I do think that if your preferred party, is in charge, you think things are going really well when the other side thinks that things are going poorly. It certainly was the case during the Biden administration, when Democratic voters thought the

economy was like, oh, it's so good. The economy is so good. Okay, it wasn't. It actually wasn't. People were severely underemployed. Inflation was disastrous. You just have to call a spade a spade. I think what's happening now is that you have Trump in charge and a lot of Republican voters are like, everything's great, Trump's in charge, the economy is booming. 55% of Republicans, as well as 90% of Democrats, held a negative view of prospects for themselves and their children. So even in the case of Republicans, the majority of them not really happy, not jazzed about the current economic situation in the United States.

But don't worry, we're preparing that $3.8 billion check for Israel as we speak. Every year, it's our commitment to a foreign country that has committed atrocities in the Middle East, in Gaza, in the West Bank, and it's never ending. They're still bombing southern Lebanon. So, sorry, don't mean to get mired in more foreign policy, but just kind of getting back to the topic at hand for Brett Baer, does it make sense to be scared? Sure, you can be scared if you're terrified of socialism. I personally think a mixed economy makes the most sense. I think when you introduce a profit motive into the health care system, yeah, that greed obviously is going to supersede what's best for the well-being of the people

that the system is supposed to serve. But rather than just getting scared and complaining about it, why don't we do some self-reflection and reconsider the crony capitalism that a lot of people, A lot of elites in this country have provided cover for for so long. If they were under the impression that you can just crush the majority of the population for decades and there nothing bad will come of that, obviously they're mistaken. And right now as we speak, we have the federal government looting this country, stealing money from American taxpayers and the future of this country to fund all sorts of garbage,

Whether it's a freaking White House ballroom, which we don't need, or another war in Latin America, which we also don't need. So hopefully that's helpful to Brett Baer. It's probably not. Probably didn't listen to a single word of that. It's okay. If you don't want socialism, then you should fix the disgusting broken system that Americans have been dealing with for many decades now. We'll be right back.

What's up, everyone, welcome back to the show, Anna Casparian with you. We've got one more segment before Jank joins us. So I wanted to talk about this. I wouldn't typically care enough to talk about this story, but I wanted to because I actually have a personal interaction that would shed some light on the story. So with that in mind, let's get to it. Like when you texted, I can't wait for Trump to, like, I hate him with passion, like with a passion. Like you had those came out in court and that's what you thought.

But at the same time, you were actively supporting Trump and the whole 2020 election situation. So that's disinformation right there. You're one of the most annoying people I've ever dealt with. Tucker Carlson was confronted and called out as a liar during a Q&A section. at a turning points event, which by the way, the fact that he's at a turning point event is pretty miraculous given all the drama that's played out recently. Nonetheless, the main question here is, why did Tucker say that he absolutely despises Trump in private messages? And then later publicly, he said nothing but good things about Trump.

In fact, endorsed Trump and donated the maximum amount to his campaign in 2024. Like, why is he lying to the public that that's basically the question being asked here? while telling the truth to people close to him privately. So I thought that was actually an important question. And it was so important that I myself had asked Tucker about it in private. Now, the only reason why I'm bringing that up is because after we watch these clips and after we go through the story, I'm going to either confirm or maybe not confirm that what Tucker Carlson is saying to this young guy is what he told me when I asked him the same question. So with that in mind, let's get to the text message exchanges that the questioner is asking about.

Because this is a story that we obviously covered a few times, because how could we not? It's so juicy, right? Like, what does Tucker actually think about Donald Trump? Because I'll tell you this, when I was in Pennsylvania to debate Ben Shapiro before the Pennsylvania Chamber of Commerce, I can't tell you how many conversations I had with Republicans who loathed Trump. This was during Trump's first term, loathed him, hated him, couldn't stand him. This was during COVID and they felt like he was bungling everything. But every single one of them told me, I'd never say that publicly.

They're terrified. So is that the case with Tucker Carlson? You're going to have to wait and see. But here's the taste of some of the text messages. In a text message sent on January 4th, 2021, Carlson wrote, we are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait. I felt the same way, by the way. I don't know if you guys remember, but by year four of Trump's first term, I was just exhausted and bore.

I was bored by Trump, like the same antics, the same drama, the same like incompetent nonsense, the same stories. the Democratic establishment pulling his hair out. I was just so sick of it. I just wanted anything new. He also said, I hate him and meaning Trump passionately. I can't handle much more of this. Okay, so it's very clear. Again, this is in January of 2021. And that's what the gentleman in the audience is asking about. Let's see how Tucker Carlson responded. Those are between me and a producer of mine, who I really love what I'm still am close to. And that was about, it was right, it was in January after the election. And Trump was saying, they stole it from me.

And I called the White House and I said, I'm totally willing to believe that. And I say to the White House, someone specifically at the White House, give me examples. And he says, I have got a great example for you. I've got seven or eight dead people who voted. And the beauty of that claim was it's provable because they're death certificates. And we've got the death certificates and we've got the obits and they voted and they're on the voter rolls.

We know they voted. Well, talk about slam dunk. And we'll put the obits out. Well, within like 25 minutes, a couple of the dead people call CNN to say, we're not dead. And CNN runs this whole thing exposing that I have just like made this colossal error on the air. There's nothing I hate more than being wrong and humiliated like that because like I have a staff. We should get this right. And I didn't get

it right because it's so easy to check whether or not someone has died that I didn't check. And I was enraged. So is that a good enough excuse or not even excuse or explanation for why he sent those text messages to his producer, why he was saying what he was saying. I don't know, that's that's really up to you to decide. I don't really care that much how he feels about Donald Trump, to be honest with you. I do care if someone is saying one thing privately and then lying to people publicly. And the reason why I ended up going on Tucker Carlson's podcast is because he was willing to have a call with me and answer any question of mine, right, until I either felt comfortable going on his podcast or just decided,

no, I can't do this. I wasn't even the one who came up with the idea to have the call. His producers had been reaching out to me for over a year and a half. I just kept ignoring the emails, didn't plan on ever going on his show. And then this offer to have a conversation privately came up. And I asked the question, the exact same question, because I don't want to sit down and waste any of my time with anyone that I think is bad faith. or anyone I can't have at least a little bit of trust toward, right? If you are lying to people publicly, I have an issue with that. So I asked him the same question, and I was really happy to see he told this guy the exact same

thing he told me. And look, I would be really upset too if, let's say, Bernie Sanders, a politician I like, was telling me something. I repeated on this show, and then I have egg on my face because of what he told me It ends up to be completely false, untrue. And another news organization is clowning me about it and embarrassing me about it. I would be very upset. So there's that.

But I don't think that explains everything. I'm just going to be honest with you guys. Look, I think most people, whether they're on the left or right, don't really like Trump on a personal level. He acts like a child. I'm going to say something the left's not going to like. I like manly men. And I don't think Trump acts like a manly man.

I think he acts like a little bitch all the time. He whines, he cries, he thinks the world owes him everything. You're the most powerful man in the world. And with that power, all I hear him do is complain incessantly. And to me, that's not what a manly man does. So I think that you can be critical of someone while also giving them credit for things they do right. Marjorie Taylor Green is another perfect example. The things that she's been saying recently about the affordability crisis Americans are being confronted with is wonderful.

And I fully commend her on that. But it depends on the conversation. If you're going to have a conversation with me about things that she said in the past, let's say her chasing down David Hogg after he witnessed his own classmates get slaughtered by a mass shooter. I didn't like that. And if I were texting a friend about that, I would say some pretty nasty things about what Marjorie Taylor Green did, right? So I think it really depends on the context, it depends on the situation. And in this particular context, Tucker Carlson was mad because the Trump campaign was lying about how they had evidence of voter fraud. Tucker then aired that evidence of voter fraud, which ended up being totally false.

That's embarrassing. you're the like most viewed Fox News show at the time, the top rated cable news show, period at the time. Yeah, it's super embarrassing. I would say negative things about Trump too and his campaign if I were in his shoes. But he did say some pretty negative things very soon after election day. And none of the other stuff happened. Like none of the election fraud claims, none of the, hey, we have evidence.

We're going to give you false information. you're going to broadcast and embarrasses it. None of that had happened yet. So I just, I think when you look at some of the other text messages, some of the other thoughts that he had, like for instance, let's go to this message from November 6th of 2020, soon after the election. He's texting with Alex Pfeiffer, who I believe is his producer,

Trump has a pretty low rate at success in his business ventures. And Tucker Carlson tells the truth. That's for sure. All of them fail. What he's good at is destroying things. He's the undisputed world champion of that. True. True.

I can't disagree with that. Now, if you want to have the president's ear, are you going to openly go around and talk about what a failure he was in his multiple businesses and his multiple bankruptcies? Probably not. Probably not. But I think it's okay. It's okay to be critical of Trump, whether it's privately or publicly. But I think like we don't need to be children about this, right? I think we all speak about things and people a little differently when we're under the impression

that we're having a private conversation with someone. But I think it would actually suit Trump. It would actually benefit the Trump administration. If there were more on the right, more people on the right who were willing to criticize him or be critical of what he's been up to. And to Tucker Carlson's credit, he has been on the issues that matter the most. When it comes to Israel and Gaza, I mean, he is one of the most outspoken critics of the White House's foreign policy. When it came to bombing Iran's nuclear sites, Tucker Carlson was the most vociferous on the right.

He pushed back against the Trump administration considering doing that. Now, unfortunately, the Trump administration decided to do that anyway. I say unfortunately because that could have dragged us into a larger, terrible war with Iran. And the only reason why it didn't is because Iran showed restraint and didn't retaliate the way you would expect them to retaliate. When you hit up the Americans and let them know, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna do some strikes on your military bases, we're gonna give your soldiers some time to evacuate before we do it so no one gets hurt. Yeah, that's not really retaliation.

That's just a way to signal to your people, yeah, yeah, I retaliated. We did what we needed to do. We're not weak. Anyway, but what he said on that stage was almost, almost word for word what he told me privately. So he's at least consistent with his explanation for why he messaged those things. But at the end of the day, Tucker's statements about Trump in these messages, I totally agree with.

He should say them more often, strategically of course, in public. Anyway, we gotta take a break, Jenk you girl, be with us in just a minute.