The Young Turks - Occupation Operation Begins - October 23, 2025

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Or as I told my daughter this morning, it's Thirstleigh. Okay. What? Is it a Thursday Thurst slay? No, don't do it. Don't do it. I will do it. No one asked for it, Jake.

Don't do it. Yeah, well, nevertheless, here I am. So we've got a story about Americans b-be-sitting in Israel. Are we a tiny bit closer to the end of the Ukraine war? Well, we'll find out. Madrea Taylor Green goes after her own party again. Awesome. Probably my favorite story of the day.

And then, of course, Donald Trump releases yet another person convicted of fraud. And you're going to be shocked to find out that person is following money to his cryptocurrency. Of course. So we will get to that later in the program. Anna. Well, we should begin with the updates on Gaza, what we're hearing from the Knesset. And more importantly, what this annexation bill that's moving its way up in the Knesset is all about. So without further ado, let's get into it. The West Bank is not going to be annexed by Israel. The policy of the Trump administration is that the West Bank will not be annexed by

Israel. Well, appears that today at least, the Trump administration is condemning the Israeli parliament for a vote that was held just yesterday that essentially formalizes the annexation of the West Bank. Now, today, Vice President J.D. Vance stated that the White House absolutely will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. And even President Donald Trump, if you can remember, made a similar statement just last month. If you don't remember, here's what I'm talking about. I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. No, I will not allow it.

It's not going to happen. Did you speak with Netanyahu about this? Yeah, but I'm not going to allow it. Whether I spoke to him or not, they did. But I'm not allowing Israel to annex the West Bank. There's been enough. It's time to stop now. Now, I'm going to get to the details of the, it's actually two bills that would have

essentially annexed the West Bank on behalf of Israel. So before I get to that, though, Jank, now look, you saw that video of Trump. And I think part of the reason why it was hard to take him seriously is because of the fact that he has essentially allowed Netanyahu to do almost anything and everything he's wanted. He's forked over tens of billions of dollars in U.S. taxpayer money to aid and abet. The atrocities that Israel's been carrying out, not just in Gaza, but has been carrying out in the West Bank. I mean, the West Bank has essentially been annexed, at least portions of it, with these illegal settlements.

But the reason why I also didn't take him seriously is because if you just look away and listen to the audio of it, Trump's, it almost sounds like he's like, I'm not going to let them do it. Like, I don't know, maybe I'm reading into it too much. But the way he speaks makes it seem as though even he doesn't take it seriously. Yeah, I might shock to the world and say, no, I'm not sure I agree. So you might be reading a little too much into that one. And we're gonna show you a video in a little bit here of J.D.

Vance kind of yelling at the Israelis in a way that was a bit shocking. But it is a super legitimate question that Anna is referring to. I'm so legitimate, we asked it in a poll on t.y.t.com. And I want you guys to watch this story and then vote on the poll. Is J.D. Vance being authentic or not in what he said about Israel? because either Trump is drawing a line at annexing the West Bank. I mean, that's not much of a line, but I guess I'll take it. Or this is all just some sort of game, which has happened a billion times,

where they pretend to disagree, but then give Israel everything they want. I mean, that happens almost every time, 99% of the time. But, okay, let me give you the details of the story. And you're right. I mean, my last point about the way Trump sounds is my weakest point. But I think we have recent history to kind of inform how these types of, you know, hand-waving or finger-waving statements toward the Israelis really ends up going. So there are two bills at play that were brought up in the Israeli right-wing opposition

by the Israeli-right-wing opposition-connesant members. So they want Israel's government to be even more right-wing than it already is. And both these bills did end up passing the preliminary votes. Now, what are the bills? The first bill would apply the sovereignty of the state of Israel to the territories of Judea and Samaria, meaning the West Bank. So this is the most consequential bill because essentially what it does is it formalizes that, no, the West Bank, we have voted on it in the Israeli government,

and we have decided it belongs to us, it's in writing, it's now the law of the land. So that's definitely more consequential. But remember, in some ways, this is kind of symbolic because Israel's annexing portions of the West Bank as we speak anyway. And our government is doing absolutely nothing about it. In fact, one of the first things that President Donald Trump did after getting inaugurated is he removed Biden's sanctions on the Israeli settlers who have been reigning terror and stealing homes from Palestinians in the West Bank. So it's kind of hard for me to take Trump seriously. Now, the second bill real quick, essentially would apply Israeli sovereignty onto a specific city settlement that's illegally built in the West Bank. Jank. Yeah, so Israel's kind of amazing because they say all these things in public. They in fact, they voted on it. They said, we're just going to take the West Bank for ourselves. So this is exactly what we've been telling all along, Greater Israel. They can take West Bank, Gaza Strip. They announced yesterday, they're going to keep 53% of the Gaza that they have, and they've got a plan with Jared Kushner.

to build Israeli condos on top of the graves of the Palestinian children. They killed earlier in the conflict. But the US press never acknowledges it. They just lie on behalf of Israel and say, oh no, Israel's only doing self-defense. And if you say they're going to take land, they call you an anti-Semite. But wait a minute, they just voted to take that land. And they called the Judean Samaria, meaning like, this is our biblical mission. And then Yahoo has said it is this historic?

mission and spiritual mission to set up greater Israel and to basically, you could say take, you could say steal, you could use any word you like to take the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And they're doing it right in front of our eyes and they're voting on it. Yet nevertheless, American media will say no, it's outrageous to say they're doing it for the land. Obviously, they are the poor victims and are doing it for self-defense. No, Israel's government's actions are crystal clear. Then the question is, what are we going to do about it? You're right. It is crystal clear. I mean, as I've said multiple times on this show, I don't really rely on U.S. journalism to really know what's going on in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank. I rely on Israeli media. And in Israeli media, you're going to hear the direct quotes, the direct statements from Knesset members. You're going to hear what Benjamin Netanyahu says in Hebrew versus what he tells the American people in English. And often,

Oftentimes there are some pretty significant differences in the substance of what they're saying. Okay, so with that in mind, I just want to note that the bill that would apply Israeli sovereignty onto the whole of the West Bank, essentially just annexed the entire West Bank. That did pass 25 to 24. Now, the Knesset does have 120 members, but most abstained or did not show up to vote because Prime Minister Benjamin Nanyahu essentially told the parliament, like, please don't. do this while we have Jared Kushner, Vice President J.D. Vance, and Steve Whitkoff, special envoy to the Middle East, here doing a presser, it is not a good look. It's going to make the Americans angry. And they did it anyway. So it's not that Netanyahu is against the annexation of the West Bank. He has been overseeing it. He's been directing it for a very long time.

It's that he knows that it's not going to look good for the Americans and could potentially upset the Trump administration against Netanyahu, against the Israeli Knesset, if they move forward with this annexation bill. But they did it anyway. Yeah, because they're unaccountable. And they think that what difference does it make? What are they going to do? Cut our funding? No way, right? They're never going to do that.

So it doesn't matter if we say we're going to annex West Bank, Gaza Strip. And we didn't even do it for self-defense. So we'd just tell them, yeah, we did it to steal their lands. So what? And by the way, we're going to take southern Lebanon and western Syria, and we're going to keep going until you stop us. And American politicians will go, yes, sir, absolutely, sir. Of course, everyone's an anti-Semite, sir.

And Americans, you must hand over your money over the Israelis. You have to give them another $300 billion. And that's, but like I'm saying it, it's not hyperbole. That's what's happened throughout this entire time. I mean, since Israel has started all. And they've attacked our ships. They've killed seven Americans in the last three years. All their offenses against America and all their neighbors is plainly evident.

And yet all of our politicians bow their heads and send them an infinite amount of our money anyway. So they're right. Their arrogance is justified. So with that information in mind, and I can get even more granular about how the Israeli Knesset works. But the important thing to keep in mind is both these bills did pass. And at this point, there are three more obstacles or three more votes for these bills to get through in order for it to become actual law in Israel. So there really is no indication that they're going to stop.

They're going to keep pushing for this. And I just want to give you one more piece of evidence, which is, you know, Donald Trump does respond to campaign bribes. And he got one of the biggest campaign bribes from Miriam Adelson, $100 million to allow for the annexation of the West Bank. So the question is, is Donald Trump willing to upset one of his top donors? He's done it to Elon Musk before, to be fair. But with that in mind, here's what J.D. Vance had to say about these bills passing.

Yeah, that was weird. That was weird. I was sort of confused by that. Now, I actually asked somebody about it, and they told me that it was a symbolic vote, some symbolic vote to recognize or a symbolic vote to annex the West Bank. I mean, what I would say to that is when I asked about it, somebody told me that it was a political stunt, that it had no practical significant. It was purely symbolic. I mean, look, if it was a political stunt, it was a very stupid political stunt, and I personally take some insult to it, the West Bank is not going to be annexed by Israel. The policy of the Trump administration is that the West Bank will not be annexed by Israel. That will continue to be our policy. And if people want to take symbolic votes, they can do that. But we certainly weren't happy about it. Yeah, that was weird, weird. I totally didn't. expect anything like that to happen. Weird. Anyway, Jane, do you think it was weird? So look, I have two conflicting thoughts on that. One is I kind of love that. And so credit where credit is due, that's the first time in a long time that I haven't heard an American

politician just flat out groveling. So just the mere fact that something critical was said about the Israeli government by a U.S. official is so nearly unprecedented that I'll take it. Even if it's fake, I'll take it. Because at least the world heard one American stand up against Israel for the first time in like 60 years. So, okay. I totally disagree. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me just interject real quick. I won't take long. I think it's actually terrible and is going to lead to even more humiliation for the U.S. because they're already annexing the West Bank, Jing. Like we're having a fake debate right now. They are already doing it.

The Trump administration has done absolutely nothing to stop the Israeli settlers who are doing the land confiscation, who are stealing the homes. In fact, they have lifted sanctions against the worst offenders, including one who, you know, killed, I believe, a U.S. activists. Like, it's just the whole thing is insane. So, like, it's a fake debate. Like, what you're watching right now, if you ask me, it's my opinion. But I have reason to believe that it's nothing more than theater. I don't believe for a second that the Israelis are like, well, whoa, the Trump administration is telling us we're being very bad boys and girls. We're being very naughty and we must stop right away. Come on. Come on. Come on.

No, no, no. Israel will never listen to America. Israel is the boss of us. We're not the boss of them. So as they continue with the West Bank land confiscation, the annexation, how embarrassing is it going to be for the United States? when they do it anyway, we can all see they're doing it anyway, despite the fact that, you know, the Trump administration said, no, you may not. No, okay, so first of all, as you remember, I started by saying I'm very conflicted about what J.D. Vance said. So the first part is what I explained, which is, hey, it's on tape, an American actually standing up to Israel, never happened before. I don't know about never, but close to never. And but the conflicted part is what I was going to get to, Anna,

is, of course I agree with you that it's, I don't know if that's J.D. Vance statement is BS, but are we going to stop them from splitting the West Bank and de facto taking it? No, of course we're not going to do that. In fact, they already did it. So they, first all, they just voted to annex it. And they didn't take the vote back. So that's official Israeli position. We're going to steal the West Bank. We're going to steal Gaza. Nothing about self-defense. They're just, they're on a giant land conquest. So that's clear. And us not doing anything about it is also clear, they took a section of the West Bank recently that's spliced in two and makes a continuous Palestinian state nearly impossible. And we did nothing

to stop them. So they're, you know, their avarice knows no bounds, they're gonna keep on stealing as we go along. And the other day we showed you just a couple of days ago, a wonderful Jewish American reporter went to the West Bank to see what the Palestinians were up to. He got assaulted along with the Palestinians by these terrorist Israeli settlers. And on tape, They have one of the settlers beating a woman in her early 70s with a club repeatedly as she's on the ground. These are sick terrorists, and our government has been supporting them the whole time. So I think the only question, Anna, is, is Trump ever going to draw any realistic line with Israel in terms of threatening their financing to make sure that they don't do something even more egregious to the West Banker Gaza Strip? And so far, that side you're totally right about, no, he's, I haven't, no, he drew a line when he told the Israelis to bring their ships, their jets back when they were going to do on another bombing run in Iran, right?

So again, just a smidge more than what a normal American president does. On the other hand, though, he keeps encouraging them to be worse. Oh, yeah, Gaza Riviera and ethnically cleansed the Palestinians. So it's a little bit of this and a little bit of that. But lastly though, what you said, we all see it. And of course, I know you didn't mean that. We all see it here online, but on television and in the newspapers, no, they never ever talk about how Israel is going to take the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

They all continue to write Hasbara about how, oh, poor Israel is the victim, and they're doing self-defense. So the great majority of Americans who get their news from mainstream media have no idea, idea all the war crimes and all the land theft that Israel is doing. Exactly. Well, I want to reset to talk a little bit about this whole, you know, b-be-sitting story, which it has a funny name, but the whole situation is just so devastating that it's hard to find it funny. Anyway, as we all know, the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas is incredibly fragile. And that is the reason why some of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's political opponents like Yair Lepid are essentially

clowning the current Knesset and Benjamin Netanyahu himself for essentially needing to be babysat and dictated by the American government. See, here in the United States, people who are critics of Israel, myself included, like to think of our government as essentially controlled by the foreign government of Israel. But right now, you see some people, Some Israeli opposition leaders essentially argue the opposite, and I find that's so funny. So ask yourselves, what do you think is true? Now, the ceasefire has led to various White House officials and those in Trump's periphery, essentially visiting Israel to babysit the Israelis and make sure that the ceasefire remains in place. That includes Trump himself, Vice President J.D. Vance, Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, Jared Kushner, the son-in-law to the president.

and an unofficial advisor, I guess, and Steve Whitkoff, the special envoy to the Middle East, Israeli media have joked that the high-level visits are a case of babysitting near constant U.S. supervision of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Netanyahu himself, though, is insisting that, no, no, no, no, no, I am in control of Israel, not the United States. In fact, on Tuesday, he stated, one week they say that Israel controls the United States. A week later, they say the United States controls Israel. This is hogwash. And Vance said that he visited Israel essentially just to, you know, show his ally, the United States ally as support. No monitoring necessary. He's not monitoring a toddler. Just a war criminal. But we fund that war criminal.

So what does that make us? Jank, back to you. Yeah. So look, it is interesting that apparently our own U.S. officials think that Nanyahu is so psychotic that if they're not like physically next to him, restraining him from attacking his neighbors and killing more innocent civilians and grabbing more land, that he'll do it. Like the minute the Americans leave, he's like, yes, kill more Palestinians, right? And take more land and do all the aggressive war crimes that he's been doing. And apparently it's not just us who thinks that.

It's the U.S. government that things that. But at the same time, the U.S. government goes, oh, don't get us wrong. We're going to keep taking billions of dollars from U.S. taxpayers and finding that, funding, that psycho. That guy who's so mentally unstable, we have to have a babysitter sitting next to him so that he doesn't do further genocides, which, you know, he's done enough genocide. We finance that genocide, but we we want him to just a smidge less. And by the way, I mean, one of his babysitters is Jared Kushner, who's, like, demonic. And he's the guy who's like, oh, yeah, we're going to build condos all over the graves of Palestinian children and grandmothers, et cetera. And we're going to make a killing from having murdered all those Palestinians.

So it's not like Jared Kushner has a soul, right? Again, I'm not religious. These are just symbolic metaphorical words, right? He wants to protect his investment, Jank. Let's keep it real. Yeah, but that's what he wants to do. That's his intent here. It's not like he's like, oh, we really want peace. And we have to be there to be Benjamin Netanyahu's babysitter. Because if we don't, then more Palestinians are going to get killed.

They don't care about the Palestinians. They care about their investment. No, but that's exactly my point. Even this like demonic figure of Jared Kushner, like almost like a comic book villain, he is trying to restrain Netanyahu. That's how insane Netanyahu is because what Kushner is saying is basically, you know, reading between tea leaves of these interactions is that Kushner saying, we got it, man, Beebe, we got half of Gaza, the American press is a bunch of morons who

just report that we were doing self-defense, we're gonna build those condos, we're all gonna make a ton of money, thank God you killed those Palestinians. So cut it out with the West Bank, you're gonna get caught. Let's not get caught and Bebe was like, no, take more, right? So like that's the dynamic here. Yeah, totally. All right. Well, we've got a lot more to get to, including the latest in the ceasefire negotiations or lack thereof when it comes to the war in Ukraine.

That story is interesting and how it's developing. There are two different narratives and it's hard to decipher what is and is not true. But I'll give you the details as we know them when we return. All right back on TYT, Jank Anna and Irene Robertson and Crystal, thank you guys for hitting the join button below the video on YouTube. We really appreciate it. Makes a huge difference to us, guys. I mean, we're besieged 24-7. So if you can join that would be great.

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any progress at all in reaching a ceasefire deal. I don't want to have a wasted meeting. I don't want to have a waste of time, so I'll see what happens. But we did all of these great deals, great peace deals. They're all peace deals. Agreements, solid agreements, every one of them, but this one. And I said, go to the line, go to the line of battle on the battlefield lines. And you pull back and you go home and everybody takes some time off because you've got two countries that are killing each other.

Well, the two countries that President Donald Trump is referring to here are Russia and Ukraine, of course. He has essentially failed to end the war in Ukraine in the 24 hours that he promised when he was campaigning for president. that was hyperbole. But he hasn't really made much progress at all. And to be quite frank, anyone following the stories, having a difficult time following what Donald Trump's rationale is one day to the next. So let me give you the details and you can decide for yourselves. Now, the White House has decided to cancel the president's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin ahead of a planned summit in Budapest. Now, President Donald Trump has declared that the diplomatic talks would be a waste of time, as you just heard him say.

I don't think it would be a waste of time if maybe the U.S. government were sitting down with Russia and good faith to hear what their concerns are, because I do think they have one concern, and I haven't really heard much reporting on how or whether it's being addressed at all. Now, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and Dimitri Lavrov, who is the foreign minister in Russia are slated to meet in Malaysia later this month at a summit organized by the Association of Southern Southeast Asian nations. However, senior officials in the Trump administration are now denying that there's any meeting scheduled at all. Officials said that Rubio and Lavrov will continue to engage with each other to map out plans for a possible

Trump-Puton summit. So they're kind of sending mixed messages on whether or not they're even open to have conversations. But in addition to that, there are two conflicting narratives in regard to what Russia wants or doesn't want. And I want to give you those two narratives in just a moment. But first, what do you make of Trump kind of going back and forth on whether he's hot on Russia, cold on Russia? Like, I don't know what's going on. I don't know what he's actually planning to do if he has a plan at all. Yeah. So I've criticized how Trump has conducted these peace negotiations before. And if you remember, he weirdly got animated about their Ukraine's mineral rights in the middle

of a peace treaty that's so important to the world between the two different countries. He's like, oh, by the way, I interrupt this peace treaty to say, I'm gonna hold Ukraine hostage to give us all their mineral rights, otherwise we won't help you with Russia. So that was unacceptable and weird, et cetera. But that's all in preview to, no, overall, though, I'm going to give Trump credit because he's clearly trying to get the peace here. Like Israel's a way more confusing issue, right? And he's been way worse on that.

It's not really a peace deal. It's really just giving Israel everything they want. But in Ukraine, Russia, yeah, he's trying to go back and forth between the two parties, threatening both sides. In his mind, he's using leverage against both sides to get them to the table. Is that really going to work? Well, it hasn't worked so far. On the other hand, I like that the brother is trying.

And I think on this one, he actually is earnest. And if I'm wrong and naive about that, okay, it is what it is. And I'm happy to accept that judgment. But for now, that's how I see it. But also good news, Anna, later I will tell you, I have a peace plan that I think can work. Of course. Okay, looking forward to that. Before we get to that, though, so the two different narratives I'm talking about are as follows.

Let's start with the first narrative. I think this is the widely accepted narrative here in the United States. But if you listen to, I guess, if you want to call them dissident voices on foreign policy, people like Jeffrey Sachs, who actually does want peace, the narrative is entirely different. So what is the narrative that's been accepted by the United States? basically that the Trump administration claims that Russia has refused the ceasefire after the Secretary of State, Micro Rubio, met with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and allegedly made clear that the Kremlin is absolutely committed to taking full control

of the entire Donbos region as part of any settlement, something that Ukraine is not open to. And clearly, if this is true, this is something the U.S. isn't open to, right? By the way, I should note that Russia says, we don't want a ceasefire. We want an actual end to the war. We want a peace deal. And so what Russia wants in the peace deal is really what's up in the air right now. And there's different reporting from two different sides. So right now, by the way, Russia, according to Trump, controls about 78% of the Donbos. There is some confirmation on this, by the way, in regard to the narrative widely held in the West. on Tuesday of this week, Dimitri Lavrov told reporters that Russia's view was firm. He says, quote, I believe American officials have concluded that Russia's position has remained largely unchanged over time and remains within the bounds of its initial.

And he uses this word maximalist demands. Okay, so that had an impact on my thoughts on this story. Because if Russia is unwilling to have a discussion about territory and they're like, we want, you know, we're going all in and we're not going to stop, well, yeah, it's going to be really difficult to reach a peace deal here. More importantly, Russia wants the peace agreement, not the ceasefire, and the senior administration official said Putin's signal that he was open to discussing some matters that could bridge the divide between the U.S. and Russian positions. But I think at this point, there have been so many meetings with Trump that didn't really amount to much. And Trump has kind of learned a little bit of a lesson in that these talks don't really lead to anything. We have a great meeting. He's very nice.

It seems like we're headed in the right direction. And then Putin does the opposite. But according to Jeffrey Sachs, the administration actually is not taking some of Russia's legitimate security concerns seriously, especially when it comes to NATO bases. within Ukraine. Take a look. There are reasons for this conflict. They are fundamentally because Europe and the United States have insisted on NATO being with bases in Ukraine. And that's the reason we have this war.

And without solving that problem, there is no solution to this war. In other words, Russia says we have very deep security concerns, which you have neglected, brushed aside. And if we're going to end this war, we need a concept called indivisible security, which is that our security interests, your security interests, Europe's security interests, Ukraine's security interests are on the table. But they're all respected. So I really respect Jeffrey Sacks. I think that his views on how to accomplish peace I usually align with, right? And the claim that he's making here, I think is a legitimate claim jank. And if I were Russia, and more importantly, if I were the United States and the Trump administration and I genuinely wanted peace,

I would really take that, you know, that ask by the Russians seriously and call their bluff, right? If they're not being serious about how this is all they want, that they're just concerned about their security. At least then we'll know definitively. I don't think we need to have NATO bases in Ukraine if that's what's kind of standing as an obstacle to peace. But the real question is whether you believe that's the real reason why Russia refuses to sit down and negotiate a ceasefire in good faith. You know what's better than the one big thing? Two big things. Exactly.

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about Netanyahu and Israel is certainly true of Putin and Russia. And I think to your point, Trump realized after the Alaska summit, oh, this guy's playing me, right? Because Putin came around and messed with them and then pretended to do it was going to get something out of it. And then afterwards didn't deliver on anything, right? And so Trump felt really burned by that. Then Zelensky was going to come over the other day, as he usually does. And Putin called the day before Zelensky came. And at that point, Trump was having a much tougher line on Russia. And then he softened up. started, you know, making demands of Ukraine again. So like Putin keeps saying, oh, just

right around the corner, right around the corner. And even I get enticed by it, but I'm like, oh, a peace deal, a comprehensive piece deal instead of a ceasefire. Well, that sounds pretty good. Maybe the Russians are open to it now, right? But then he never, ever delivers. He constantly is, you know, pulling the football. So, yeah, Putin has to actually show actions for him to be believed. Otherwise, it's a fool's Aaron. But again, don't worry, I have the peace deal when you're ready. Okay, we'll get to that in just a second. First, I want to correct an error that I've been making in the context of this story. And I really do apologize for this. I guess I'm a Russofobe, or at least it sounds like it, because I kept saying Dimitri when I meant to say Sergei. So it's

Sergei Lavrov, not Dimitri Lavrov. I don't know why I have Dimitri on my mind, but it's not Dimitri. Go ahead, Shank. Okay. So look, I think the essence of the deal is something along these lines. Are we going to be able to, I greatly sympathize with the Ukrainians. Russia invaded them. They shouldn't have to cede any territory at all. It was an outrageous aggression by Russia, even keeping in mind all the, you know, threats and encroachments of the West did against Russia. Okay. So but nevertheless, we got to get to peace. So somewhere, something in the range of 75% of Dombas, they get to keep because Russia occupies right now about 78%. But in return, NATO is a bridge too far for the Russians, they'll never agree to it.

So we do a Qatar-like deal where we give the Ukrainians Article 5 protection without actually putting them in NATO. And then so where do you negotiate? You negotiate, is it 75% in Dombos? Is it 80%? It's in 100%. It do does Article 5 protection mean that US gets to put a base in Ukraine or no base or some sort of hybrid off of that? But that's the essential deal that I think can get this thing done. Is that from the outside?

Of course. Do I have intricate knowledge of the negotiations? No, guys, I don't claim to be an expert on it. I'm just saying, having covered this story for a long, long time, that's probably where a deal could be made in that ballpark I'm described. Yeah, you know, one of the reasons why I've been kind of avoiding covering Ukraine, like every update, the way that we've been covering what's happening in Israel, is because it's harder to decipher what's really going on with these negotiations, right? I mean, with the negotiations between Israel and Hamas, reading Israeli publications has really been eye-opening and informative because they do good reporting on it. And they're actually honest about what's going on. Here in the United States, there really is this deeply held anti-Russia sentiment for good

reason in some cases, especially when it comes to a war in which they invaded a sovereign country, full stop. But sometimes I worry that the media is misrepresenting, you know, the full picture or what's actually happening in these negotiations or, you know, the Trump administration isn't being fully transparent about what's happening during these phone conversations. And one other thing I'll say about Trump is that he really kind of yo-yos depending on who he spoke to last. You know, one day he's meeting with Vladimir Zelensky, the leader of Ukraine, and he's musing the possibility of letting them use like long-range missile so they can do strikes inside Russia. Then he has a conversation with Vladimir Putin over the phone.

next day he has another meeting with Zelensky and he's like talking him down, you know, dressing him down. It's just, it's really interesting and kind of disastrous. Yeah, look, for me, I think that I cover Israel more than Ukraine for a couple of reasons. One is in Ukraine we're funding the good guys who are trying to protect their territory and their civilians from an invading army. In Israel, we're funding the bad guys who are committing a genocide and taking land from the Palestinians through ethnic cleansing, starvation, etc. And it's one thing to say, look, man, I don't like spending money here and the defense contractors and all that stuff. When it comes to Ukraine and I want to really take care of Americans at home, but at least my heart goes out to the Ukrainians.

It's another thing when you say, oh, no, we're not going to take care of people at home. We're going to give it to an invading army who's slaughtering innocent civilians at unprecedented rates, and you're going to be forced to pay for that. And that's just unconscionable. And yes, the civilian death rate in Gaza is worse than any terrorist group in the world. That's the IDF committing terrorism at an unprecedented rate with our money. Ukraine isn't doing that. And lastly, Ukraine doesn't control our politicians or our media. Ukraine is an actual victim, okay?

Whereas the Israelis, you know, as we've talked about a lot, have fun 90% of Congress, that 90% votes with them. instead of the American people all the time, all of American media covers for Israel. American media doesn't cover for Ukraine, at least as much. You know, there's, yeah, we don't get the full Russian perspective here, that's for sure. But overall, there's no like Hasbara, a giant amount of pro-Ukraine propaganda in the way that it is overwhelmingly pro-Israel propaganda in American press. So like to me, it's apples and oranges. One is a conflict we're involved in because Ukraine's an ally, the other one is a tiny country that controls us in

obvious outrageous ways and makes us pay for a genocide. Well, now that you bring up Israel and the amount of money, the U.S. taxpayer is essentially forced by our government, regardless of who's in charge, to shell over to Israel for its atrocities. It looks like some on the right are not very happy about that either. And in the next segment, we're going to talk about lengthy conversation that Marjorie Taylor Green had with Tucker Carlson just yesterday about this very topic. So stick around. We've got that story and more coming up.

All right. All right, back on T.R.T. Jane Canana with you guys in. Jen Stenson, Jen, thanks for giving five young. tourist memberships on YouTube. Really appreciate. Anna, what's next? Well, God, if we live in very strange times, I have to say, like, if you spoke to me in 2020 and told me that in 2025, I'm going to hear a conversation between Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Green

and like a lot of what I'm hearing, I wouldn't believe you. And I would probably think, oh, wow, like the country, like we went through the apocalypse. But I just, I have to give Marjorie Taylor Green props because as she's being attacked by her own party for saying the right things, she remains undeterred. Let's get into it. And if you're wondering why people are talking about primarying me, well, it's because I don't take any money from APEC. How does Laura Lumer get to be a Pentagon advisor, but you get primary? Like, what is, what is that? This is a woman that can't even legally buy a gun because she had such serious mental problems. That's nonstop, Israel, nonstop. Well, Tucker Carlson had Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green on his program, and they had a pretty interesting conversation about what it means to be MAGA, what America First is, and whether or not the Trump administration is living up to those ideals.

And we're going to show you some of the highlights from their conversation, which I particularly enjoyed for a number of different reasons, which we'll get into. But before we get to that, Jank, there was some clowning happening. They were clowning on Laura Lumer and, you know, just want to get your thoughts on that. Yeah, so I think there's an awesome development because it's not, oh, ha, how they got Laura Lumer. It's that there's actual independent thought breaking out all over the political spectrum. And so in the old days, they would never break ranks. So if Laura Lumer said, okay, you know, you have to do X, Y, or Z, everybody would say it. And why Laura Lumer? It wouldn't come from Lord Luma. You usually come from

Rupert Murdoch. But I mean, Rupert Murdoch is just an older male version of Laura Lumer. So and Tucker used to work for Fox News and they had to do all that propaganda and they're sick of it. So and guys, the reason why I predicted so long ago that some of the right would turn and actually agree with us on some issues as they're doing here is because of the infrastructure of media. And the reason I tell you that is not to just pat myself on the back, so though I'll take it. Okay, it's so that you understand how things work. So when you have to report to a boss in a multi-billion dollar corporation, you're not going to have any independence. You have to do the talking points that Rupert Murdoch wants or Jeff Zucker wants or whoever

it is that's running these companies. When you're on your own and you make a lot of money is Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, et cetera, are, or your Marjorie Taylor Green or Tom Massey, and you're raising a lot of money from the grassroots, real people and not giant corporate donors. Well, then voila, you've gained your independence. So you're now more beholden to your grassroots, and that has downsides too. But I'd much rather have that because they're real American citizens. And you could actually think for yourself. You don't have to do the talking points that corporate media gives you. And that's why you're seeing this division in a healthy way, in a wonderful way, where they're beginning to go, wait, why are we for higher healthcare

costs? All my, none of my voters want higher health care costs. Exactly. Okay, let's get to what she had to say about the phonies and the corruption within the Republican Party. And by the way, let me just preface this by saying there was plenty of criticism of Democrats as well. It's not like it was just all about bashing Republicans. So I'm under no illusion that Marjorie Taylor Green is suddenly developing left-wing ideology. But with that in mind, here's what she had to say about members of her own party. I can remember Mike Lawler coming up and saying, you know, he hated, he hated Donald Trump openly, used to make fun of him all the time. And then all of a sudden, after Donald Trump won in 2024, he finally decided it was time to put on a

MAGA hat. It just made me sick. Electing Donald Trump was a referendum on the Republican Party, and I very much feel that because many times I hate my own party and I blame Republicans for many of the problems that we have today, and I blame them for being so America last to the point where they are literally slaves to all the big industries in Washington, the military industrial complex, big pharma, health insurance industries, you name it. They are literally slaves to them and they love the foreign wars so much. They get on board and they campaign and they say America first and they try to utter and mimic these Donald Trump talking points. I mean, all these people that work so hard to give us the majority, when it comes time to doing that, what are we doing?

We're sitting at home. I mean, look, I can't argue. with much of what she had to say and what was really interesting about, you know, and the portion I'm talking about, of course, has to do with the corruption. But I want to be clear about something. The reason why it resonated with me is because until very recently, I was a registered Democrat and had been my entire adult life. And her statements resonate with me because it's the same criticisms I've had toward members of the Democratic Party, right? And so I think people are kind of waking up to what the reality is in terms of the actual divide in the US. And the divide is between people

who like the status quo system of corruption, essentially, and those who want to stop that, who want to root that out of our political system. And the paradigm of seeing everything through the lens of left versus right really doesn't make sense right now because we kind to get back to basics. Like our government doesn't function anymore. And that's an issue. Yeah. So look, some of these fights, that was an interesting 40s slip. Start with MAGA versus mega. If you don't know, it's make Israel great again. So there's tons of people that work in the US government who actually are loyal to Israel, including almost all of our congressmen. And Lawler is, of course, another one of those guys, overwhelmingly.

And they get literal money, campaign contributions, super PACs, dark money, et cetera. And they serve their donors. And so that's how some of this fight started because at some point, some folks in America first realized, wait, constantly putting Israel first in America like eighth, by definition, isn't America first. And these guys are clearly serving Israel, it's not even close, right? We were saying the same thing about Biden, and now we're seeing Trump do the same thing,

and Rubio obviously, totally for Israel, et cetera. So, but I think the bigger, even more important issue than that is that it's the tip of the iceberg, and it's making them realize, oh, almost all of the corporate politicians, like 99% or at this point 98% of the Republican Party and 90% of the Democratic Party, but you know what, you wanna flip those

percentages or have different ones, that's fine, right? But an enormous percentage of both parties are in the establishment corporate donor, foreign government donor category, and we're in the grassroots category, the populist category. And so the real fight is not between those two things versus left and right. Because once you realize, oh, wait a minute, once we get into the grassroots populace wing, left or right, we grew around so many things, lower drug prices, higher wages, lower housing prices, no more wars, no more corruption. Oh my God, we agree on like 70% of stuff.

We still disagree on culture wars, et cetera. But it turns out they've been getting us into a fake fight the whole time. And so to see these former cable news anchors and current representatives begin to open their eyes in real time, it's an amazing sight, Anna. Yeah, it totally is. Look, I love that you have this awakening. happening in the country in regard to just how our politics actually works. Because once you realize how much rot there is within our political system, then it kind of like snaps you out of it. You can kind of see things a lot more clearly. You see how fake everything is, like how much of the narratives, the left versus right narratives in the

country, not all of it is fake. I don't want to minimize it. Like there's a real difference in ideology between the two sides and that definitely exists. But the way the issues are framed and the way that, you know, the power brokers in this country essentially pit ordinary working class people against each other and distract us with that as, you know, the big issues get dominated by either corporate interests, moneyed interest, you get the point. That's what really needs to be addressed here. And I love that, you know, Marjorie Green is unafraid, undeterred, and she's still, you know, talking about this in the context of her own party. Because guys, if we don't hold members of our own parties accountable, then things are just going to keep devolving.

Now, I want to reset for the foreign policy portion of their discussion because I did like much of what was being said here. So let's get to that. Now, Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green was having a conversation with Tucker Carlson about how the Trump administration is carrying out its foreign policy and whether or not it lives up to the expectations of the MAGA movement. Take a look. People are pissed. I'm talking about pissed. Everyone I'm talking to at home is going, hold on now, why are we considered hateful and anti-Semitic if we don't want to pay for Israel's wars constantly? That doesn't make us anti-Semitic and hateful. We want our money to stay here at home. Because you want to know something, people are hurting here at home.

Oh, I know. Food prices are high, rent is high, home prices are ridiculously high, cars are high, auto insurance, home insurance, health insurance is insane. Energy prices are high. I can tell you that in my own electric bills. They're much more expensive than they were even a year ago. It's a revolving door at the White House, a revolving door of foreign leaders and prime ministers and presidents, all with their hands out. demanding money and demanding attention and demanding America do this. I mean, let's take, for example, this $40 billion bailout for Argentina.

That's probably one of the grossest things I've ever seen. Yes, preach it. The $40 billion Argentina bailout is insane, especially after, you know, Trump's trade war. Wars, unfortunately, has led to a situation in which our soybean farmers have been squeezed out of trade entirely and who do you think came in to make deals with, you know, for export of soybeans to China, none other than Argentina. So we're going to bail out Argentina after they hurt our soybean farmers. I don't know if many of them or all of them voted for Trump, but it doesn't matter. They're very upset about this. And I'm really happy to see that

Marjorie Green is talking about it in this interview, along with the frustration that a lot of Americans are feeling across the political spectrum in regard to the resources we're bleeding out in or on behalf of Israel right now. Yeah. So look, again, I love this awakening. And so since Marjorie Taylor Green now mainly relies on grassroots donors and she's gotten off of the, not all, I'd have to check to see if she's gotten off of all the corporate PAC money, but she certainly doesn't take APAC money. And she's taking a lot less of the big. donor money and she's now famous enough that she can raise plenty of money from the grassroots and so some of those folks who give her that money and who

vote for her don't agree with us on a lot of issues and we've got good fights over that right but what she's now seeing is oh now that I'm responsive to the grassroots I'm seeing the grassroots are suffering because in and by the way to be fair to her when she first came in she came in as a populist, but the many get into Washington, and this happens to Democrats even more so, you get Washingtonitis. It's a virus. It's like one of those things from Star Trek where the thing goes into your ear and starts controlling your brain. And you're like, must do things that the establishment wants. And then you forget all about, wait, we were supposed to serve

the average American who's getting slaughtered by inflation and rising prices and housing prices are totally unaffordable, et cetera. But what is anybody in Washington ever do about any of that? Nothing. Why? Because the average American doesn't have any lobbyists and doesn't have super PACs or doesn't have dark money. So the guys with all the money control almost all the politicians. That's why, look, Mike Johnson and Marjor Taylor Green are in a fight again, right?

But who is Mike Johnson? Mike Johnson is the establishment. But who and where's Trump come out between Mike Johnson and? Marjorie Taylor Green. Honestly, about 100% on Mike Johnson's side. That doesn't mean that Mike Johnson is a populace. That means Donald Trump is actually establishment. He did a giant tax cut for the rich. He's done a bunch of things for himself, a lot of pardons for white collar criminals. But at the end of the day, what is he done for the average American? What did Biden do for the average American? No, all there is a giant American robbery of the donors

shifting all the money from us into their own pockets. The fact that some on the left like Rokana, some on the right like Marjorie Taylor Green, have woken up to the robbery and are now headed in that direction to begin to mitigate it is it's a small development given to 535 people in Congress, but it's a super positive development. Yes, there's so many more videos I wanted to get to, but we're running out of time.

I'll just show one more clip because I think, one of the things that has developed in the right wing of this country is that a lot of voters have kind of woken up to the reality that it's not just Muslim Palestinians, but also Christian Palestinians or Christians in general because in Jerusalem and even parts of the West Bank, I believe, there are Armenian Christians as well. So Palestinian Christians, Armenian Christians, all sorts of people who don't happen to be Jewish, living and dealing with some of the violence. Now I want to be very, very clear, these are extremists. This is not representative of the Israeli population. But with that said, seeing videos like this, I think has woken up the

American right to some of the abuse that people have been dealing with in this part of the world as we continue supporting Israel regardless. And they obviously haven't stepped in to stop this from happening. So take a look at what Marjorie Taylor Green had to say about it. I've heard from so many Christians in the West Bank about how they are attacked constantly by settlers. I've heard stories about how their Christian churches are attacked. I've heard stories about how Christians there have been murdered. And if, you know, we can put Hamas aside. If American Christians can't wake up to realize that, okay, hold on, we've been lied to, and these things are actually happening and they can't analyze it of why they're happening and who is actually doing it, then they really are lost. They really are blinded. But these stories that I'm hearing and being told over and over again, it's not war propaganda. And it is very, very real. And it's some of the worst.

things happening in our lifetime. It's just like what's happening to Christians in Nigeria. There's real Christian persecution and it's happening in Gaza and it's happening in the West Bank and it cannot be ignored. And Christian pastors, most of all, should be the ones talking about it. And, you know, some of those Christian pastors will try to deflect from what's happening in the, in Jerusalem or the West Bank by. immediately, you know, pivoting to how Christians are persecuted in other countries. But the difference is we are not aiding and abetting through our resources, the persecution of anybody in those other countries. But we are doing that in the case of Israel and the persecution,

you know, carried out by some extremists in Jerusalem. Jank. Yeah. So, you know, we do this thing called crowdsourcing the revolution at 8 o'clock Eastern right after the main show here. The main show is six to eight o'clock Monday through Friday. And tonight I'm going to propose church cam. We should put a camera inside the church where the Christians are huddled up. There's I think seven or 800 of them, if I'm not mistaken, in Gaza. And so we'll see if that's still the situation. And you guys are great at finding out the answers together. But I'd want people to see it because American media covers up all of Israel's crimes. So if you told someone in American media, you know Israel's killing

Christians, they'd say, though that is empirically true, you're an anti-Semite for bringing that up. And you'd be like, wait, why? No, you're not allowed to criticize Israel under any circumstance. You have to cover up that there's even Christians in Gaza or the West Bank. You don't say that. Why can't I say things that are true? So in this case, yes, there are a lot of Christians there. There used to be a lot more, but they were driven out because Israel wanted to drive out everyone that wasn't as Zionist in order to form Israel and then to take more land. So is it about time that people who are on the right who are devout Christians care about other Christians instead of caring about a foreign government? Obviously. And look, I would want them to

care just as much about the Muslims who are being brutalized in Gaza and the West Bank. We're going to work towards that day. But I'm glad that they have enormous sympathy for the Christians. I'll take any sympathy for the for the victims of Israel's war crimes. All right. Well, we got to take a break. But when we come back, we'll talk a little bit about the U.S. economy and how the Trump administration is doing in regard to the approval ratings tied to the economic situation. And then later we'll talk about Trump's latest controversial pardon, especially when you consider the conflicts of interest at play here.

So that and more coming up, don't miss it.