The Young Turks - Old School: October 13, 2026

Episode Date: October 17, 2026

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All right. Happy to have you, brother. People don't know is how little time passes between when you, You walk into the studio when the show starts. I don't know how you can keep track of what show you're on. I know, I know, I know it, brother, don't I know it? Let alone the interviews that are in the middle of the day after the show, before the show, like, ah, it's like I almost say it every day that I walk in at three o'clock Pacific here to do the

on tour. So I said, I don't know how I made it. Yeah. I don't know how I read all the stories and I'm ready to do the show. That is insane. Yeah. And then like the amount of understanding of how close to when it starts sometimes you get here, that like it's like when people in a plane observe like the flight attendants during like turbulence.

Like just all the normal people like should he be here by now? Like is this safe? Should he be here by now? And all the stage is just like, no, he'll be here in a second. It's like as long as they're not freaked out, I won't be freaked out. I learned from the best, Ben Mangwitz. Well, also, I mean, God, we were a perfect pair. We'd both show up about two minutes and one minute before the show.

Anna said like the first show she ever did, remember it's in the middle of the night, right? It's at three in the morning. And only Dave and Jesus and J.R. are there in the beginning. And she's like, where the fuck are the host? And then she said, wait a minute, it's almost 3 a.m. I know they get on the air, on the radio nationwide at 3 o'clock, right? And she's like, and it's 250 fucking seven, right? And at 258, Ben walks in and at 259, I walk it.

And it's just so easy. I didn't know. I don't know when I became the opposite of that kind of person. I used to be that person. She's like, oh, I slept. What time is it? 11 o'clock? And I'm like, oh, and everybody's like,

Brent's never going to have a real job. But at some point, and I don't know, I literally, I maybe it was when I worked at a talent agency and I would get yelled at for being a little late that I was like, oh, and now I. I just naturally like wake up on time and get places early. It's, I'm very disappointed at myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Look, there's, you now opened up two secret topics.

There was already two secret topics on top of the knowledge topics. So we're all of a sudden we're swimming in topics and we don't even know it, let alone the audience. So let me tackle those two. So first of all, the reason why I'm so, why I'm late to almost every single original or just barely on time to everything I do is because I'm trying to pack things in. Yeah, right? And I've become the king of efficiency. Like, so if you look at my life from the outside, you might go, I don't know, you know, he's kind of late to all the calls. I don't know if he's that efficient, right? And you could have a lot of context clues that make you think, I don't know,

right? But the reality is I'm doing three things at once. If you just followed me, like back in the day, sometimes Zephyry would because he was filming things for the congressional run. And so he's one of the few guys in Carr a little bit that's been with me like throughout the entire day where they, you go, oh, he is doing a lot of things at the same time nonstop. So how much do Pete like I assume at a certain point you just have to have other people tell you what's next? Like how much offloading to other people do you do versus how much do you force yourself to like know what's coming up? That's a great question, but before I answer that, that first thing leads to the second secret topic. Got it.

Which is that I'm so disappointed in myself for being that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, like that's 100% right. Right, when I was in high school, I was the laziest son bitch you've ever seen, except there was one guy who'd always beat me, Steve-o. Steve-o, ma-huh, no, that reads, that tracks for those in the know. So, Steve-o would be like, where's Steve-O? And then like at 1158, you get like nine emails from Steve.

Oh, that's when he works. So when Steve, so this is going to relate to one of the other secret topics in a minute. But when Steve got into Cornell and I got in a pen, there was a collective rage at our high school among the nerds, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other guys don't care anyway, they don't give a shit where you're going, right? But in like the honors classes, there was like, no. This is crazy. It's crazy you bring this up, but yeah.

Yeah, because they're like, no, it's not fair. You guys are too, in fact, we came in number one and number two, because you know, we had those, I'm old enough that we had those things that we voted on as a school for the yearbook. At the end, you know, most likely to succeed, blah, blah, blah. And one of them was laziest. Steve came in number one and I came in number two, even though we're in the honors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, we've been very similar, my group of friends.

Yeah. It's weird that you say this because I just was cleaning this weekend, which happens, I'm also disappointed in how often I clean because it is frequent. Okay, good, check, I don't have that problem. Okay, good, you know, it's bad, where it's like, oh my God, all the times my mom would yell at me, like, you're better if you have a clean setup and I'm like, now I'm like, that is true, it's 100%. But I found this old journal that I had from high school, and I wrote it in very, like, stressed-out circumstances,

but it was like me chronically exactly this dynamic that the part that I just randomly read the other day. And we we were subsistence over achievers. We just did the bare minimum necessary to overachieve. I'm not sure if I'm using subsistence right, but like it was just enough to overachieve. And we were very proud of how little we tried. And I think I showed my dad this thing that I wrote and he was like, I'm very disappointed in that aspect of it.

The fact that you're actively proud of how little you were. No, I'm proud to this day. Yeah, and I'll tell you I'm actually secretly doing it now. There's a lot of secrets on today's show. But they're all being revealed, okay. So I'll tell you what I mean by that. So I was the king of the A minus. Yeah.

And sometimes I slipped to the B plus and you know, but back then you can get away with it. Right, yeah, yeah. Now if you get a B plus, you're done. You're never going to get into any school. Yeah, is that. And that's okay. We love carpenters, right? Yeah.

Then they make more than the liberal arts majors. Yeah, for sure. Actually, we really like carpenters, right? But he's like kidding aside, like you're toast if you get a couple of bees, right? Yeah. Like we have a guidance counselor for pro because he's going to public school so you need a little extra help, right? And so he's like going through like, oh, okay, what are your SATs? What are you this?

What's your extracurriculars? You know, your transcript, well, I did get a couple of bees and he's like, oof, like we're almost eliminated, right? But back then a B plus didn't eliminate you, right? So we were like, I'm trying to get that 90.1. That's my goal. Because I viewed it as getting a 98 as deeply inefficient. Okay, and I swear to you that as I made these decisions when I was in eighth grade, I remember consciously.

Okay, two thoughts I had an eighth grade that led me down this road. Okay, one is I'm never gonna catch Jason or Sanjeev and probably won't be able to catch Eric, Teddy, and Arun. Really? Okay, and said. So there was these guys, about five, six of them that I knew could beat me in the sciences. Yeah, so like a lot of first generation people whose parents were like study. Oh, 100% right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Sanjeev, there's no harmony. I'm just saying nice thing. Sanjeev Kinkabwala was like an Indian legend.

Yeah, right? Like straight A pluses, blah, blah, blah. Jason was a Jewish legend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like, I remember talking to Jason, and I, and I told him that I had a, we were best friends of seventh and eighth grade, so I confided in him, and I'm like, okay, I got a crush on Carrie, okay?

And he's like, yeah, so does the rest of the school. Like, wow, great secret, revealing him secrets, right? And he's like, you know, I, I, dance with her the other night. And I'm like, what? You dance with Gary Mordoff? What the fuck, right? And I'm like, how?

I'm like, we're equal nerds. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? In fact, you're slightly nerder than I am. Yeah, we've all been keeping tabs. We all know the relative nerdiness. I know that exactly. And so it's because he was the top Jewish student in our school, and our town was like 50% Jewish.

So he's like at all the dances at the temple or whatever, right? He's like, all the moms are like, you are dancing with Jason. Wow. You were dancing with Jason, okay? Really? Yeah, yeah, and I'm like, you turn that into something, right? And then he goes out with an Asian girl. I'm like, what are you doing?

I mean, like there's nothing wrong, right? But you know, the hottest Jewish girls in the world, right? You're like turning down Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johan I'm like, go, I'm like, you're like, you're too nerdy, brother. That's the, uh, take the wind. That is the Jewish rebellion. He's dating the Gentile. Well, yeah.

In that case, it's a rare case I would not have rebelled. Yeah. Carry and run. Yeah, there's a lot of secrets about, I don't know, my buddy got married in a, and the rabbi just talked about them doing it. And that was like, really, I forgot there was like this thing about like, oh no, Jesus, you gotta have a healthy sexual life and you'll work with the rabbi on it. I'm like, oh, we were not that Jewish.

We didn't, with a Catholic school where it was just like, they're naked, I think it is I've ever seen anybody was Jesus on the cross in the corner of the roof. So I think if I remember I Jason and Sange finished co-valedictorians. Really? Like just A to A plus every class without fail. See, I was valedictorian high school, but not junior high because junior high was based on your grades. And seen in, you know, senior high school or whatever high school, it was based on like, who should be the valedictorian. Oh, really? Oh, no, for us, it was totally on grades.

Oh, yeah, no, ours was like. Who voted then? Like was there a vote? Like all the teachers and like the board of valedictorian choosing. And it was like, yeah. So, because a lot of them are tied. And then at a certain point, you can't have the same grade point average if you decide to focus on certain types of classes that didn't have like the BC class. Like I was physics and we didn't have that. And like people who did calculator chemistry, there was a higher grade point average you could get. But we were all basically maxed out anyway on whatever we chose.

And then I had just more extracurriculars and stuff. Yeah, yeah. So okay, so in eighth grade I go, all right, I can't beat these guys because now I didn't know that back then, but it turns out I could beat them in history and English, etc. But I didn't know that because they were so overwhelmingly awesome at every topic that it was like intimidating, right? Right. And it wasn't just Jason Assange, there was those like Teddy Lie was a work machine.

Everybody knows about Teddy Lie, dude. Those grades don't lie. Oh, let alone a Ruse Sanuti. I mean, you were not going to keep up with a room. He was a little full of himself. That's why I called him Snooty Sanuti. I was just happy I got through high school without someone calling me Erlick my nuts. Well, you were thinking it.

Brad Metzler in college was like, what up? Or lick my nuts? I'm like, thank you, God. No one in West Hills had that thought. So Brad Meltzer who wrote the, the books? No, Brad Metzler, the undefeated wrestler from Omaha, Nebraska. And you want to talk about someone who's king of the world, don't lose a wrestling match in Omaha and everybody sings your praises. He's pretty sure that the lead in election is based on him. Like, oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I love

that one guy. Yeah, yeah, such a good movie. Yeah, yeah. So, so I go, okay, since I can't beat him, I'll just power down, right? I'll go, instead of trying to be number one, which is my normal instinct, obnoxious as it is, I'll go for, I think I could cruise in at number eight, right? Like no, like full flaps, no engines, just cruise. Yeah, so we had a huge school. We were over 700 in my class, right? So it turns out I didn't cruise in at eight.

I cruised in at 36. Okay, so I powered down a little too much. Okay, but but I just did enough to scrape into Penn. And but you know to this day I actually by the way before I go back to efficiency I what's hilarious is that I realized in mid sentence that I couldn't get snooty sunuti out of my head. And we could have done that because he's a ruin was obsessed with Harvard. He wanted to go to Harvard so bad that when he got into Princeton he was pissed

same. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Those are the same. Those are the same. To a humble West Coast. Those are the same school. I'm like Arun, snooty, Sanuti, you crazy dog? You go to Princeton, man. That is crazy. And so no, he was like borderline depressed. Plus Sanja's going to Harvard. So I mean, in the Indian community, he has failed greatly. We never had a single person that I knew from my high school go to Harvard in any other capacity than them playing football. Oh, wow, that's super interesting. We had two like smart receivers that went to Harvard where they can't give you an athletic

scholarship, but they can give you an academic scholarship. And they're like, could you please play football for us? And they did that. But I don't know anyone who on the merits got into Harvard from my school. Yeah, no, no, that's why we're kind of doing the same plan with pro, right? And so if you can start on the football team, that knocks up a couple hundred points from your SAT score that you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A couple of bees wind up being okay. Yeah, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, now as it turns out, I don't think it's gonna work out, right? But because it's so competitive, even at that level, even at the Ivies or whatever, good schools that we dream about, right? But that it's so super competitive. But yeah, in fact, Brian Forte was, I'm naming all the names today. I love it.

Was our quarterback in, and when I was- quarterback name, isn't it? And the rest of the story is fantastic. You're gonna love it. So I, when I'm a senior, he's a junior. And as a junior, he's number one quarterback in the country. Wow. Okay, in the entire country. So there's tons of buzz about our team. We wound up being ranked. And so, and then Brian gets a bunch of offers, of course, from all the top schools, right? To all the top football schools. And Brian's a smart kid. And he's in nerd. He's not a nerd, he's not an all the honors classes, but he takes some honors classes, right? And so we had that, since it's a 700 person in school, we have all these different bubbles, right? And so it's, I'm already in college, but I hear that he got his two schools he's thinking about is University of Miami number one football team at the time. Jimmy Johnson is the coach, he's gonna be the number, he's gonna go and be quarterback, he's gonna be on a track to Heisman trophy. Yeah. And his second choice was Stanford. Yeah. And I nearly drove back home,

to go Brian, go to Stanford. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go to Stanford, I promise you, please believe me, right? Because if you're great, you're gonna go to the NFL anyway, right? John Elway went to Stanford and he said it went to the NFL, right? So like, you don't have to sweat that stuff at all. And so, and at least you'll have gone to Stanford and your future is kind of locked in, right? As it turns out, kind of, kind of, right?

But, but, but that sticks with you, right? And so he goes to the University of Miami. Then Jimmy Johnson immediately leaves for the Cowboys. He goes to the Cowboys. And he's like, no, he even, I forget if he thought about it or if he actually sued University of Miami because Jimmy Johnson promised him that he wouldn't do. Yeah, what can you do? And then the new coach started Gina Torretta instead. Oh my God.

And then Gina Turretta won the Heisman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then Brian had to transfer because he can't get any playing time. So he transfers back to our homeschooled Rutgers. Right. At this point, Stanford is no longer available, right? Oh man. So he goes to Rutgers and it turns out Ray Lucas is going to Rutgers at that time.

The only quarterback Rutgers has ever had that made it to the NFL. Come on. That's the stuff where it's just like, are you kidding me? And then you'll hear about other people who are like, oh, I just lucked my, like, I went to middle school with Matt Castle. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So Matt Castle, who was delightful to me anyways. This is a guy who won the Northridge World Series Little League.

He was on the Northridge team, World Series Little League. Great guy, butt cut, just like, just a big kid. So he goes to SC, rides the bench. Never has a snap SC. Then they just look at him work out and he's like, all right, he goes the NFL. He's behind like, whatever, all the other guys. And then one day he's on the Patriots, it feels like the Patriots, Patriots, and then Brady gets hurt and he has like the game of his life. Yeah.

Which then translates to, well, Brady's coming back. How about the Kansas City Chiefs give you a giant check to be their franchise quarterback, even though you have only played like four games since you were 17 years old. Isn't that amazing? Bing, bang, bang, bang, bang, everything works out for him. And then he's now he's doing, he's still doing telecast for stuff. And he never, and that's the opposite of the guy who was like, I did everything great and I was all set up for it to work out. And then bad luck, bad luck, bad luck. Yeah. So I've told this story a couple of times, but I don't think you know it.

So Brian also used to be our punter and he was an excellent punter, right? But when he became number one in the country, we coach moved him out of being punter, so he wouldn't get hurt. Yeah, yeah. And he puts in Josh Miller, our kicker, our field goal kicker as a punter. Josh Miller makes the NFL as a punter. Okay. And to this day is the announcer for the Steelers games.

Because he was a punter for the Patriots and the Steelers. Forte, very Soto. I don't know what the opposite of Forte is. Yeah, it turned out. Flacco, but then again, that's a lot. That's another famous quarterback. Yeah, his forte was not making the right. Yeah.

That sucks, dude. Oh yeah, but Josh is an NFL career to thank for it. Oh my God. And he holds his whole career. So, so that it sometimes life takes turns, right? Sometimes life takes turns. Yeah, and so anyway, back to efficiency. And so I am still doing the same thing today.

It's just that to get what we're trying to do done takes nonstop 12 to 15 hour days doing two, three things at the same time to get the A minus. Yes, right? Yeah. Because when you're trying, like what are we trying to do, Brett? We're trying to build, I, from day one to this day, the number one news network in the country. Okay, now, even 24 years in, it looks relatively impossible, right? I mean, these, the CNN, The CNNs in the world are their revenues in the billions, tens of billions, right? And ours is not.

Yeah. But no, there's still a pathway. And if I keep working this hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was looking at like viewership numbers and like the amount that you get paid, that they get paid for me to watch an ad on my television using direct TV is a lot higher than it. I get paid for someone to watch an ad on my television. ad using the YouTube app.

Yep, that's just the fact. That's so weird. No, it's worried about at least five times as much. Which is crazy because they're both on my television now. Like I'm sitting in these little identical. They're calling me worthless if I'm watching the YouTube app and sophisticated if I'm using my mom's login to watch direct TV. No, no, if I had a lot of money, which I most certainly do not, okay? But if I had, I would, I would like create products and then advertise them only in online media.

Because you just, you destroy the older companies. Because older companies are knuckleheads. They're like, oh, I will pay five times as much for a much older audience. When I would watch. So my job when I first worked in a talent agency was to be like they're super early in the morning, hand out the trades to all the agents. And then I sit down at my desk and I was assigned somehow to call and get the ratings. So you'd call Nielsen.

Yeah. Bing pong. And it was a recording. And it'd be like, fast nationals on Steve Harvey's big time are 7.8, 1.9 share. And you'd write that down. And I'd write it down. And I'd be like, okay, I don't know what the hell this is. So I asked, what is it?

They're like, oh, that's the Nielsen rating. So I'm like, yeah, but what is the Nielsen rating? It's like, there's a box in people's houses. And I'm like a box. It's like yeah, it's a real, they send them a box and then it pays attention to how much they watch and when they change the channel. And I was like, all right, so does everyone have a Nielsen box? So how they know there's like one and a half million people watch it? They're like, oh, they round.

It's like a poll. And I was like, so what happens? And they're like, well, each box represents 70,000 people. So if one person turns it off, then that's 70,000 fewer views than you had. Yep. And that cloudiness, that mugginess, that inability to see precision is translated to my understanding. It translated to the entire industry, which is like, I definitely don't want to fix this. I want to keep it foggy and unable to pin down exactly how many people are watching.

I just want this to be the only game in town. And I want it to be kind of opaque as to how many people there are. So two more stories related to that and then the lesson in life. But just really quick to end, like, yeah. Everybody fought so hard, they want to keep it that way. And people are still keeping it that way at those economics today, even though now I can tell you to the individual how many seconds they watch of something. And those people are worth less because you can quantify it more and it's harder to bullshit up the rate that you're charging them.

And these people are living in the now and these people are like, As long as I can live in the past, that's fantastic. And I'm going to stay there. And we are literally, what we described is the difference in eyeballs, the difference in the value of my eyeballs watching one app versus another. They're able to port it over to a new app, but I'm more valuable being in the old world than the new. Yeah, to that point, I'm having lunch with, I think he was the CMO's chief marketing officer of one of our major sponsors from a long time ago. So I won't name who the sponsor is.

And I said, you know, so you're asking me all these details about our demographics. And so when I said older audience before, people should know what that means is, I don't have any bias. I don't care what age the audience is, right? But in the advertising world, they call 25 to 54 year olds the money demo, right? And why is that? Because that one is relatively rational, which is that they buy more than people, under 25 or above 54, right?

So that's why the advertisers want to hit them. Not all advertisers do, Eminem wants younger kids, right? Chapter wants older folks who are on Medicare. It makes sense, right? But these guys, they care about the money demo, and then they're asking us a ton of questions around it, and how many African Americans are watching in Alaska and blah, blah, blah, right? And I see- Four.

We're lucky. There are four. And they're all watching young drugs. They're all watching TV. So then. I said, you know, and out of genuine curiosity, I was trying to be smart aleck or anything. It's a funny old time word. So, and I said, so you know, you guys are doing a Super Bowl ad.

I'm so curious, like, how do you slice and dice the demographic as that? He's like, oh, no, we don't. I'm like, what do you mean you don't? He's like, no, television, there, we get almost no information from them. Yeah. And I'm like, but wait, you pay like a hundred times more to them, right? Well, will the Super Bowl add like thousands of times more to them? Right? And he's like, yeah, but it's TV, you gotta do it.

You gotta do it. I'm like, oh, that's your logic. It's TV, you got to do it. And you get no information from them and you overpay like crazy. And the institutional blocks against it, against changing are just like, you know, if we have to change, we have to change. Like, that's basically what it is. Like, I don't want to do that. I have people that are buying. It's your, it's my budget, but not my money. And I just have to buy something because that's my job. Literally. My job is to spend this money. And it's like, I want a job that's to spend this money.

Doesn't that sound amazing? No, no, in sales, because I briefly worked in sales at Whammy, when I was at the, and it's a TV station down in Miami, you guys know. And there was a sales lady who had, do we say sales lady, sales woman, whatever. Sales dame, or sales. It depends on a rank and then her husband's the sales earl. I don't know. Okay, sales duke. So anyway, the princess of sales.

Yes. Okay. That's what's gonna be the king of England, I think. Princess die. So anyway, so she was on the buy side before. Okay, she's buying advertising from the local TV stations, etc. She switched over to the sales side. So why?

You do make a little bit more money on the sales side if you're really good, right? working on commission, et cetera. So sometimes people make that switch. But the by side guys have no idea what they're getting into and she didn't. And so every day she would complain like, this is so hard. Yeah, yeah. Why didn't anybody warn me how hard it is? When I was on the by side, I'm like, all right, NBC, convinced me over lunch at Joe's

Crab House in South Beach, right? And ABC and you do this and everybody's showering you. And I was stressed, I thought like, oh, I've got to make the right decision between ABC and NBC. She's like, I had no idea. No, trying to sell from the other side is 20,000 times harder. Yeah, I say there's a lot. It's like every business has people that have to do stuff, but every business also needs people who bullshit. Because the bullshit will pay off big, but infrequently.

And you do have to, it's like an art. My dad was a salesman, right? He was a football player and then just was like a sales. He just like hung out with people. And when this and when I worked at current TV, when the salespeople would come into town, it was like, we're going to the Kings game. We're gonna sit in the box because we have like this budget to wine and dine people. Because if we do it right, they won't get paid way more than that in advertisement.

But but no one has to buy your stuff. That's the, that's the difference. You have to, you have to buy. If you're the buyer, you have to buy, but like if you're selling something, no, one really has to choose you. Yeah, that's the whole thing. And all the best salespeople that I've ever known talk about anything but the product until the end of the meeting when they're like, yeah, that's fine, are we still doing this?

Yeah, yeah, let's go. And then we'll go back to how's your kids? Yeah, because there's so much of it is relationships. Yeah. And it's because we're humans and we want to work with people we like. Yeah, right? So if you think TV was bad, so in radio, they would do a rating system, that was all, that was Proposterous.

Really? So they would send you books, diaries. Okay. And so you were supposed to see track of every 15 minutes block of your life for three months. There is no way. Radio station and show you listen to and write it down. Oh my God.

So now here's what actually happened in the real world. Literally almost no one did that. Yeah. At the end of the three months, they would go back and just make things up. Yeah, yeah. So the number one rated the station, even though they never paid for the ratings and they didn't participate was NPR. Because everyone would go right back and write. I look good citizen.

They never listened to NPR. I also donated to a children's charity. No, and so of course there were people who actually listened to NPR, but way more people wrote down that they did when they didn't. Yeah, okay. Most people listen to tunes on the way into work. Yeah. It's not a conscious thing. They just thought, I think I listened to NPR because I'm the kind of guy that's smart

enough to listen to it. Right? Plus listening to five minutes of NPR feels like six hours of NPR. And Howard Stern made out like a bandit in those days because nobody remembered anyone but how right. So everybody would write in their books. I think I listened to Howard Stern, right? It's the worst system in the world.

And back then radio got paid way better than online media, right? Nowadays, radio's dead. So it's, you know, I think it still exists somewhere, right? But and God knows they probably get better race than we do. Yeah, who knows? I was a sports radio. Yeah. But yeah.

Yeah. So and then last rating story. When I was at MSNBC, the ratings come out at like, I forget when 3 o'clock or something every afternoon. And everyone in the entire building, all of 30 Rock goes, and gets on their terminal and starts looking at the ratings, right? Everybody's heads are down at 3 o'clock because they're all looking at the ratings. And then right afterwards, if you're going to the bathroom, you're going somewhere else. If you got good ratings, everybody knew and they would literally high-five you in the hallways.

Oh my God. And if you got bad ratings that day, they would avert their games. They would like literally look away from you in the hallway. Oh my God, compare that to now where like there is like if Facebook came on a lot, It takes like 700 years to load, but we'll send you the number of people watching every like 15 seconds. And YouTube, it'll tell you, YouTube's weird because YouTube's like, all right, you want to know what's happening now? I'll tell you what's happening now. Last 48 hours being bong bang bang.

And then there's like these blue lines that do all kinds of stuff. And like here's the moment your dumb face showed up after the video and everyone's like, I'm done watching. And that's all in real time. And you're refreshing and it's giving you view counts. Those view counts are. And then there's a black hole for three days when it's like, yeah, but we'll tell you the real numbers later. It's like, what the hell were those numbers I was obsessing over five minutes ago? And compare that to like, you know, me calling and people at three o'clock and 30 rock just being like, all right, when's it going to go?

Like, I'm picturing trading places when like the stock market opens and all hell breaks loose. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. What's better? Yeah, I remember this is such a random thing. And it's now people are wondering, are we even going to get to all the secret topics, let alone the theoretically actual topics that have never actually been stated so far, let alone the thugs at shop t.y.t.com.

Yeah, they haven't even gotten a shout out yet. Oh my God. So, um, they make great Batman hoodies. So yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, we'll get to that in a second or we won't. Um, so I remember one of the other funny things at MSNBC and This is the most random thing. It not connected to any other stories.

But I remember being in the urinal next to Brian Williams and Chris Matthews and thinking, this is so weird. That is weird. Like I don't know why it's so much weirder that I'm at the urinal with Chris Matthews rather than sitting next to him at the, you know. Because of the penises. Yeah, well, of course, you're right. The working penises, the peeing.

You know, I got nervous the other day. I was at the movie theater and I was at a urinal and some kid was on his phone and then he did something weird with his phone where he was like, like looked this way and then. Oh yeah, that's weird. Yeah, and I was like, oh no, what did he just do? That's horrible. I always feel weird when I'm on my phone because it just looks like I'm taking a picture

of my penis. I was like, oh, like a thousand of them. And he is. Yeah. But that is weird being next to Brian Williams and Chris Matthews. Did they say anything or was it just a moment, a small moment that you'll remember forever? So people now might not even remember Brian Williams that much, right? Chris Matthews too.

Yeah, and back then they were huge. Huge, right? That was when you could write a book and then you get a, you know, your hardball. Yeah. And he write hardball first and then got the show. I can't remember. I don't remember. Yeah.

But Brian was actually a terrific guy. Yeah, like of all the people in. Funny. Mainstream media, not just funny and personable, but kind of meant it. was like a really good guy, he's a mensch, right? He would do look out for people like me who just entered the building three minutes ago, right? I had a little bit of advantage because he knew Josh Mankowitz and they were friends. And so since Josh and I were closed, that was a little bit, but still he went out of his way to be nice.

That's great. Yeah, whereas Chris Matthews did not. Just, was he a jerk or was he just like not like a brick wall? No, Matthews was complicated character. Like he could be super warm, right? Uh huh. Once, like if he, in that moment like you, hey, Turks, right? Yeah, I could hear it.

Or he could be a dick and he could be an even bigger dick behind the scenes. Really? Yeah, huge. Like he's one of those guys who was super competitive. And if you got good ratings when you were filling in for him, he did not like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? He instantly viewed you as competition, put you in that bucket and then try to slice and dice you when

weren't looking. I hate that. I hate that stuff. Yeah, totally. But you know, come to think of there was a bunch of couple of guys who were really, I mean, for all the shit I get mainstream media these days, right? But, you know, look, they're people and they're so Dylan Radigan, if you remember him, was awesome. Seemed awesome. Yeah, just. I think I remember you saying stuff that. Wonderful guy and a genius. Like one of those guys that I've met in my life where I'm like, genius, no question. Yeah. And I would only say that about like maybe, Three max four people I have ever met. Who are the other ones?

Jim Gilliam, who used to work at Brave New Films. Okay. And like was the CFO, no, CTO's chief technical officer of Lycos at the age of 25, I think. Oh geez. Back in the day, right? And started his own company. And like whenever you talk to Jim, it was super obvious that he was a genius. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was just flowing out of him, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Chris Cox is like that at Facebook. Uh-huh. He's just one of those guys. He's just like, there's sometimes when he's, he used to explain things to me. And I was just like, crap, crap. This guy's way smarter than me.

Like, holy crap. We took this class together called probabilistic systems analysis. And I was like, I could do anything. I got A's and everything in high school. And I didn't even try. Yeah. And then he's like, dude, this is a hard class. I'm going to get a B and I'm never going to forget me for it.

Like, like, I like, got a double you. I had to withdraw from the class. I didn't know the answers. I was like, I thought I read everything and I knew it. And I just wrote in the answer to one of my midterms. And I was like, I don't know what this is. And I just, and I drew a picture. And I was like, it's one of those things you're in a class.

You're looking around and you're expecting like everyone did like in it just to pick up the pen with their mind and start writing. And like the Deirdreau was her name was the TA who was like, are you okay? She wrote, do want to talk? And I was like, yeah, I do want to talk. I don't know what this class is about. And I've been in it for three months. Yeah, yeah. But Chris is like, I got a B plus and I fucking hate it.

Okay, I was inches away from a W. So I'll tell you that story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was Finance 101. I met Wharton. You have to take Finance 101. That's the whole point of work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I had Professor Ramoswami, so some of you will remember this. And he was the hilarious teacher who kept putting up one slide after another lightning quick, going, are you with me baby? How do you whip me baby? Okay. And back then they had a projector and he'd like, you see this, this. How do you whip me baby?

How do you whip me baby? And I was like, dude, I lost you on the second baby. And you're like a 280 on this hour alone, right? So, and then a couple of the rugby guys were in that class. And I missed the day where everybody was getting partners. And I was like, oh no. And I'm like, all right, I have to go and plead with the rugby guys to get into their group. And these two are the biggest meatheads you've ever seen.

These are the guys who rub garlic and onions all over themselves before the games to gross people out. They were like the big guys and stuff. And then we go into a study group, they're freaking brilliant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're running laps around me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And finally, right before the midterm, I go to Professor Ramoswami, like maybe two days before the midterm. And I'm like, I'm getting slaughtered here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't do this. This finance is not for me, right? I am not with you, baby. Yeah, not with me, baby. Yeah, and he's like, he's like, no, it's really simple. You get a different professor to take you into their class two days before the midterms. Okay. And I wish you a lot of luck.

Otherwise, you stay in this class. There is no withdrawal. And I don't give a shit when you get. Oh, God. Okay. And I'm like, man, Professor Ramoswamy is a nutcracker. Okay. So I went and talked to like a dozen professors.

Right. until I finally convinced the labor management professor to go, all right. He's like, but we read this and he had like the thickest binder I have ever seen. Different class, not a different professor of this. So just like I'm labor management, this is the class I'm going to take the midterm for tomorrow. Yeah, he's like no, midterm for labor management was later. Was later, but like you like relative to the beginning of the middle of the semester. And and he's like, but you have to read this much, you'll never catch up.

up. Yeah. And I said, I'd rather take my chances here that in finance. Yeah. So let me give it a shot to catch up. And if I don't, I'll get a bad grade. But that's life. Yeah. Okay. And he's like, all right, it's your funeral. And so he let me switch. And it turns out, I'm pretty good at labor advantage. Yeah. Wow, dude. That was the thing when talking about like, you know, good schools and the athletes. It wasn't until I met, like, weird, my friend Reed is like, He was a water polo player and he's a big tall like like kind of goofy guy a lot of the time. And I was like, oh, athletes from high school are probably like athletes in college. No, athletes in college are like, if they're an NCAA, division one athlete, you have had to work very hard at something to get very good at it.

And to get that good at it, you need some kind of discipline in your life that carries you to that point. Yes, and that discipline also carried through them realizing in order to stay on the team, I have to carry my class load efficiently. And so I was always like, I can't mind better than these freaking athletes here. God damn. Yeah, yeah. It was, but yeah, I was always impressed by them. So I'm gonna finally transition to one of the original secret topics.

Original secret topic, let's do it. But before I do that, look up Jim Gilliams. I think it's the internet is my God or my religion speech online and watch it later, because it's brilliant and you'll get a sense of what I mean. And he wrote a book called hashtag. It just was the hashtag, the pound sign, right? They didn't have a title outside of that. And that was also bright and brilliant. But the speech is terrific. So all right. So today I had to rush early in the morning. I just grab a shirt and I go and I didn't think. Because on Tuesdays, I'll try to wear a TYT shirt, which 80% of my shirts are TYT shirts anyway, maybe more. But I happen to grab this one

today forgetting that it's Tuesday and I'm gonna wear a t-shirt on old school. So the thugs at shop t-y-t.com are gonna break my ankles. They're gonna break your ankles. They're mad. Oh yeah, they're furious and you don't wanna fuck with them. And so, so I'm accidentally wearing my pen shirt instead of a t-y-t shirt, but yes, I do have the young Turks Batman hoodie, which I love. It's a little bit old school, which makes sense. Shop t-y-d.com.

So but then as I was, when I realized it, I was like, Oh, do I want to wear a pen shirt on, on the show? It feels a little obnoxious, okay? But it's not a real Ivy. Nailed it. Neither is Stanford. Neither is Stanford. Feel like we're on the outside looking into those schmucks.

Yeah, yeah. Brown, you're not a, like, no, brown. You know what I mean? Brown. That goes exactly to my point, right. Okay, because when I got in a pen, it was literally called the armpit of the iris. Yeah, yeah. Okay, and now that I look back at it, every part of it is obnoxious because we used to make fun of us for being 16th in the country, which now I'm looking back at it. Are you shitting me? 16th is amazing. Right. There's many, many universities, it turns out. Oh my God, if my kids got into the 16th best college, throw a gigantic party. 16th best anything. 16th best fast food chain in America is still delicious and I'd order three of whatever's at the top of the menu.

Yeah, yeah. And so, but and I partly applied to Penn because I thought maybe I could, I could manage that, right? Like, there's no way I'm getting into anything past Penn, right? But like I'd have to scrape in, which I did. I got waitlisted and I sent them a bunch of stuff and lobbied. And I, you know, I was the original K Street and I finally, I barely got in at the last minute. I had already done orientation at NYU. Okay, and so really but that great school too. Yeah and I wanted to go to business school. So I was either going to go to the business school at NYU undergrad. It was one of the few like UVA in Michigan, NYU and Penn are the one of the few underground business management science and yeah. And yeah, no Stanford's not in the ivies, but it's bullshit Stanford's top three school period. Right.

So anyways, so but back then wearing a pen shirt was not of nine. Yeah. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas now that Penn is ranked much higher and blah blah blah, and it's, forget that. More importantly, back then humans could get into these schools, right? Now you have to be super human to get into these schools. And how that, what changed?

I think that's, I think the number one thing that changed was supply and demand, right? So one, there's just so much more supply of kids. Really? Yeah, and there's for two reasons. One, there's just more people in America by a good number, right? But number two, now international students are not a small thing. They're a gigantic thing and they all pay full fare. Yes.

And since they all pay full fair, then they become a bigger and bigger percentage. And remember legacy, when we were going, we had to worry about the legacy from the 1950s and stuff. Now they got legacy from like 1920s, it's in 2020s, right? So the legacy is, so everything is getting squeezed out. Right? So a regular person making it into these top schools is just near impossible. I can't even imagine. Story after story of like 1600 on the SATs, all funds. In fact, the hell they want. One of our, one of the people who worked here, her niece was over last week, eight AP classes, all fives. Getting a five and an AP test is super hard. She nailed it on all eight.

She, I think had the perfect score on her test, had perfect grades, did incredible extracurriculars, and got into UCLA. And UCLA is an amazing school, but she didn't get into any of the Ives. But didn't get into any of the Ives. That's insane. I mean, what else do you want her to do? What else do you want her to do? I don't get it, right?

And it's not like she didn't have extracurriculars. She had amazing extracurricular. I heard that that all changed where it was like, I used to be when I was a kid and it's like, do everything. Okay, I'm in a two sports and I'm student body president and I'm doing, you know, the whatever fundraiser thing and I'm doing, we have to do community service projects and everything. Okay, I did it all. And then there was a minute because my friend from college ended up being on the admissions

committee and she's like, oh, now we just want a narrative that tells me exactly who you are as a specific beautiful individual. Yes, that's totally good. You're gonna have to pick, but it used to be just like, what's the highest score here? Now it's like, what's the most beautiful snowflake? Yeah, and because everybody's got a 1600 and which is which is nuts. Which of course everybody doesn't have a 1600, but there's enough people who have 1600s yeah that they get- It's making me nervous.

I know right but so now sometimes I'll be out and about and then some parent will be like, ooh pen right? Yeah, and they're like did your kids get into? And I'm like, oh, no, it's me. And they're like, oh, okay, weirdo. Right. And then I'm like, wait, should I not wear it? Is it embarrassing to wear it? My favorite thing about like when you're feeling this way about the school you went to is what, for me anyways, what happens throughout the sentence of saying I went there.

It's like, I'm like, oh, I'm just going to say it, no one cares, I'm 44, like, and then to the point where it's like, all the times I've said it. And then some people like, I went to school in Boston and like, I went to Palo, I'll, I'll I can say, Palo Alto Stanford. How do I say Stanford to be just like, I went to Lee, and so I frequently just say, I went to Leland Stanford Junior University organized 1891. Because it's just the weird. It's a weird thing to say. It's weir than anything else.

And it leads into the story that like the cheer that they do is they spell that whole thing out. Oh. Instead of you, C, L, A, fight, fight, fight, which is like the school I root for because my dad played football there. And I can't bring myself to be a Stanford kid. So it's not like really a point of pride on a daily or a. seasonal basis with sports. It's just like my memories of college.

But the chant was L E, L, spelling out Leland, Stanford Junior University organized 1891, go Stanford. In fact, I just remembered this morning somebody said to me, hey, saw my shirt and said, hey, Penn State. And I said, yeah, same thing. Sure, why not? I was like, yeah, yeah, very similar school, right? But before I would have like, what do you mean?

What do you mean? Yeah, that's the stuff for me. It's like, I don't know. I have a list of friends I can call because I went there and I remember them more than I remember anything the school brought. Yeah. But I was telling Skip, like now it's like, I know so many like, I know a billionaire. Like I don't know what to do.

I know some very, very rich, smart, nice people and I, it tears me apart to know that they're rich, smart and nice, how dare they? And it's like, you know. See, that's the yeah, I mean, look, I don't know it's the upside or the downside of going to these schools. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But a guy in my freshman dorm was CEO of LinkedIn. And I think, I don't think it was a founder.

Reed? But no, no, no. So it was not the founder for sure. But CEO of LinkedIn is like one of these. Because I remember my college girlfriend worked for a rival of that called Deuce Stang. And then- Duestang?

It means tight friend and farcee or something. Doestang is a wrong word. Yeah, you know. You should not name it. Yeah, yeah, and it's very close to a majority for Asian people in Farsi. It sounds like male porn. Oh, yeah, got, oh, no. Do sting?

Yeah, no, it was. It was that, but it was supposed to be like LinkedIn, but LinkedIn won, you know? Like, so knowing how difficult it was, like, everyone's like, oh, it's just LinkedIn. It's always been the number one, you know, whatever weird flex of business site for networking and job finding. But it was like, it had to get there. Yeah. And it was, there was a payoff at the end. Yeah. So look, we had this guy that when we're going to law school, most of us had gone straight. But Herardo had worked a decent amount and had been something in San Francisco politics already, blah, blah, blah. And he was in his early 40s and he came back and did law school. And he used to tell us all the time. He'd come into like the cocktail listeners or whatever. And he was like, guys, you got to go meet ever. everyone at the school. Forget your grades, forget the classes.

The main thing here is meet everyone. Yeah. Because they're going, you don't know which ones, but some of them are going to be X, Y, and Z, right? And we're like, ah, you're crazy, this old man. I'm on network, oh, you want to the network? When I went back to Columbia with the kids for spring break doing the the law school library was named after one of my classes. And then I took a picture next to it like, okay, I don't know what you call that.

Hashtag fail. I don't know. It's not. That's hashtag succeed. This is hashtag normal, you know. He did good and is happy. Yeah, he was the right hand man of Warren Buffett. Yeah, really?

Yeah, really. For a hot minute, he was a successor to Warren Buffett. Really? And then he lost that position. But he had made enough that the law school's libraries. named after. Yeah, land among the stars kind of thing. Yeah. And so yeah, and Herardo was right man. I mean like one guy who came to CEO of USA, Barry Diller's entire IAC, the entire organization. One of the guys from Penn became a congressman and on and on.

Yeah. But at Penn, there was another kid who was a little bit more, you know, like politically radical like me. Back then we didn't agree, but we liked each other. His name was Chris Rab. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just won the primary meaning he is, he's definitely going to Congress in Philly. Yeah, he came on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was great. You guys got along.

I watched the event of interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. So Chris and I went to school. Yeah, yeah, you talked about it on the interview, yeah, that's great. Pretty neat, right? That's fantastic. Yeah, and so in terms of the allegiance, like you were saying, Stanford, UCLA, I was surprised at how much I love Penn. When we went back, I had like like really positive feelings about it, right?

Right. We go to Columbia, nothing. Zero, zilch flat line, right? Really? I never went to a single Columbia football game, basketball game, anything. I don't even know what the fight song is. I don't know anything and I don't care, right? I think it's a Ghostbusters theme song because they shot a lot of it there.

That could be. I don't even know where they play football because they can't, they don't play on campus, which is in Manhattan. Right, right. Right? So that's how I little like here. All right, anyways, we're almost out of time. We got to do at least one of the topics, let alone the fact that I didn't get into any of your comments, et cetera. And I don't even know. Secret topics, though, five minutes left.

Okay, here was the topic. Craig, just like, he's right, he's right. Don't turn around. Yeah, here's the topics we were supposed to do. Are you your toe? I don't even, Marissa mentioned this to me. I don't know what you're talking about. No, a lot of these hobbies you don't until we explain it, which I won't, so you'll never find out. Okay, another one was a great suggestion by you. That's complaining work. I have a lot of thoughts on that. Okay, but are you your toe? What is that? Not going to tell you. And then what is, I still don't remember.

What is the most American sport? Yeah. So, this is the title is what is the most American sport? We have to at least do that, I think. Yeah, no, no, no. Okay, so, and then we'll see if we have time for my toe. Okay, gotcha. Okay, so. You're the big toe. So America has, oh, I have a broken toe now, but that's not what it is about.

So America has invented a great number of sports, right? So football, basketball, baseball, high lie. I don't know if there are others, okay. Roller Derby. Yeah, lacrosse in a way. in a way natively. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you go back far enough, that's right. Last of the Mohicans early, I was like, oh, they're playing lacrosse.

Thank you, Daniel Day Lewis for that sports fact. Yeah, yeah. And so, so then you think that's tough and there's literally a saying saying, saying it's as American as baseball mom and American pie. Apple pie, yeah, right? I mean, Apple pie, American Pie. In the movie, yeah. Yeah, and so it's gotta be baseball, but it isn't.

It's gotta be football, but when the world thinks about America, is it basketball? These days, it is basketball, I think worldwide. But football is like trying so hard to internationalize, but baseball's done a better job. Baseball is an international sport. Baseball is on its own timeline. It does not tell you when it's going to be over. It does now with the pitch clock, but it's like the players determine when we're done. I like that.

That is us making it. I have to get you out more. I also like the American aspect of it of like we invent, the division of labor. Like I'll be here, you be there. I also like there's a certain, we were talking about laziness of baseball where baseball's like, do I, cricket existed. And America was like, I don't want, I just want to do this. I just want, I don't have to care about that. If you go there, I'm not getting it.

There's a fence in the back. If it goes over, I'm not getting that. You can, you run the whole way around. I'll just stay. But like, it's a team sport. You're, yeah, I just, I love baseball so much more and more these days, not just because the Dodgers are doing well and not just because, like, you know, I'm getting older, so watching everything else hurts.

Yeah. But I think it's baseball. That's interesting. So, okay, I have developed a theory in the middle of the show. Go it. Just as you were talking. So baseball represents the old America. Yeah.

Okay. A little bit more individualistic, a little bit more freedom, a little less stress and pressure, a little bit more casual. But yet, staring a guy down, I have to get you out. you have to hit me. It's like competitive in that American way, et cetera. All the things that you described. Football is current day America.

Okay, right? So immaculately planned, like intricate details and process. Must huddle if you don't have a plan, you'll get slaughtered, right? So it's much more corporatize, much more. But now I don't mean just corporatize in terms of merchandising and sales and TV, but I mean corporatize even with, Even within the sport, right? What do we do inside corporations?

We plan, right? We have processes, we huddle, right? So the huddle is such an American kind of corporate type of thing symbolically, in my head at least. And extreme violence. Extreme violence, just such violence. And you have to be slightly rich to play it, not in America, but the reason why it hasn't caught on in the rest of the world is because you need helmets and shoulder pads. There's a lot of rules. Yeah, there's tons of rules too, that's true.

But kids can't play, pick up American football they think because they don't have a helmet and shoulder pads. Right, but you can do. But so in fact, I then thought, you know what, I should go talk to somebody at the NFL because what they really need to do is forget bringing the Jaguars to London and doing a game in Brazil or Germany. No, spread flag football. They are.

This has happened, it's an Olympic sport. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. So no, okay, I thought you were gonna say that that's the, No, I didn't know that. So it's an Olympic sport. No, I heard that it was an Olympic sport. And they are advertising for it. When you watch them play, I was so happy this weekend when the game in London was good,

not just good, great. Yeah. Was like, I can't believe it. There's four seconds left and then what happened up to get us here was, I mean, it was a last second field goal beating the last second field goal. Yep. The rest of the time, I'm just thinking of them going, holding in every second, Everybody in the stands going, what? Illegal use of the hands, what are you talking about?

We keep it simple in soccer, just don't use the hands. Any use of the hands, illegal use of hand. I just get embarrassed, but I see what you mean. Obama was interviewed by Jerry Seinfeld on comedians and cars getting coffee, and Obama was asked what sport is politics like? And he said it's like football. It's like you go so hard, and you're planning, And they're planning and you go and you're just a lot of violence, I think he said.

But occasionally there's an opening. And when you get an opening, you go for it as fast as you can, as hard as you can. And sometimes you're able to make it. But it's a lot of attrition, a lot of knuckleheads. That's a great analogy. I'm actually gonna use that analogy for now on. Watch comedians and cars getting coffee. That episode's a good one.

Yeah. And so, but football is derivative of soccer and rugby and baseball is arguably derivative of of cricket. Yeah. So whereas basketball is just a complete invention of America. Yeah. Just utterly made up, right? Dr. Naismith going, hey, I-

Peach basket. Yeah, I wonder if I should throw a ball through that basket, right? What if I cut out the bottom of the basket? Yeah. Right? So and now basketball is so international, so known like dream team. Yeah, yeah. You know, started the internationalization of basketball.

And it's a dream. Everybody can dream. African players, European players, like. Even some Asian and Turkish players. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah. So.

A lot of Turkish players. Yeah, weirdly, a lot of Turkish players and Spaniards. Yeah. So, and everybody can dream that dream. And then that feels like hope and opportunity and like excelling at something and having in the America is having an unfair advantage and then not having an unfair advantage. Yeah. Right.

So maybe. basketball. Yeah, basketball is great. Yeah, yeah. On the other hand, football is so America. It's so America, it really is. It's also like, yeah, we, I don't care if you don't like it. I'm gonna, you should like it. Whether you do or not, it'll be in your backyard next weekend. And we're going to expose it to you whether you like it or not. Anyways, but yeah. Oh, look at all these beautiful, great comments that people made and we didn't even get to what should be my secret service code name that I promised from earlier, the main show, all right, I'll read only one. I don't know, it said, you know why I'm reading this one?

It said jank is the first word. Yeah, no, I am. So I'm like, all right, I'm the narcissist. That's how I get you to read email. I'm like Trump, I'm like, jank, jank, jank, jank, jank, okay. Oh, my God. And pictures. Pictures.

Actually, by the way, your decks have great pictures. Yeah, there's Lego people in this last one. And there was one with like the yellow brick road and the evil witch's castle. So Box in the YouTube member section said, Jank is just a dude. When Anna asked the other day how he deals with it, I said, he's a dude, he just shuts it off. And then he confirmed it. Yeah, that's fair. I am definitely a dude.

Yeah. So you nailed it. Okay, and super last thing is, okay, I'll tell you. So the toe. I realized a while back, you know, I'm not sure I've ever had a single thought about my second to last toe on my right foot. Got it. Even though it is part of my body and hence part of me, and I was like my gallbladder. Never once had a single thought about it.

And I bet there's a million things inside my body. I've never once considered and yet they are me. But are they? You get a couple of months? That's the conversation. Okay, so we can save the conversation until later, but that's the topic. Yeah, I'll tell you one fun story about a guy I know who's a gold medal push championship and Bob's, champion in Bob Sled.

He was a finalist for this American life segment. He thought about something like that. And he was like, I can work out to get my muscles bigger. I can, you know, he kind of divorced his mind from his body. He would run into door frames because he was just like, I am this wide and my body is a thing that I can work on, but it's not me. But he did think that the only thing that was really wrong with him was his toe, which wasn't exactly straight. And because this is how he worked on it, he tried to straighten it and then he broke it. And then it got really fucked up.

And there is a lesson in that. There's definitely a lesson in that for sure. but that's for next time. All right, guys. Love you. See you next time. You've got to keep living, man. L-I-V-I-N.

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