The Young Turks - Pardon Me? - July 25, 2025

Episode Date: July 26, 2025

Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month Shopify trial and start selling today at ⁠shopify.com/tyt Trump deflects Epstein scrutiny by calling for investigations into Larry Summers and Bill Clinton��while teasing a potential pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell. Trump bickers with Jerome Powell over Fed renovations, Ana Kasparian appears on Tucker Carlson. Hosts: John Iadarola, Cenk Uygur & Wosny Lambre SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE ☞  https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks FOLLOW US ON: FACEBOOK  ☞   https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER  ☞       https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks INSTAGRAM  ☞  https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK  ☞          https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕MERCH  ☞      https:/www.shoptyt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Cenk Uygur, John Idola, Wasley Lombre. All right, John is of course the host of Damage Report. Check it out every day at one o'clock Eastern live. And Was senior writer at The Ringer, he's also got his own podcast.

Would you change the name to was was speaks? Was speaks. Yes, sir. Crazy, crazy, Wizard of Wasp. Come on, it's a layup. It's a layup, okay? So anyways, guys, huge show today. So Trump in every day,

the panic gets larger. Yeah, I'm not talking about MC, don't talk about MC, it's hilarious. But today took an extra level, today we went to 11, okay? Now we're talking about pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell.

What? What? What? I can't believe that, what level of insinuation is that, what level of insinuation is that, what level of insinuation is What? What? What? I can't believe that. What level of insanity are we in? You were kind of actually

speechless there for a second. I am, I'm amazed by that. All right, so we'll get to that in a little bit, but speaking of things that are amazing, could Anna Kasparin have gone on Tucker Carlson's show? Yeah, and we've got some clips from

that, and some discussion of that. And I thought it was interesting and amazing. And so we'll have a fascinating conversation about that a little bit later in this hour as well. So let's get started, John, where you going?

Yes, let's jump into the big story of the day. They should focus on the fact that Larry Summers from Harvard, that Bill Clinton, who you know very well, and lots of other friends, really close friends of Jeffrey Summers should be spoken

about, because Jeffrey Epstein should be spoken about. And they should speak about them because they don't talk about them. They talk about me, I have nothing to do with the guy. Yeah, yeah, talk about Bill Einstein or Tim Apple or somebody,

anybody, anybody who might be in the documents, we don't know again because that guy won't release the documents. These people who probably do have some connection to Jeffrey Epstein, obviously were nowhere near as close over the course of decades as Donald Trump was. And notably, neither Larry Summers nor Bill Clinton are actively involved in a cover-up of the entire thing. But sure, let's talk about them instead, Donald Trump would really hope.

But he's got those individuals and he's also got sort of an amorphous group he'd like you to be interested in of hedge fund guys. Just some big group, take a look. You should focus on Clinton. You should focus on the president of Harvard, the former president of Harvard. You should focus on some of

the hedge fund guys. I'll give you a list. These guys lived with Jeffrey Epstein. I sure as hell didn't. You'll give you a list. These guys lived with Jeffrey Epstein. I sure as hell didn't. You'll give us a list. That's cool. I didn't think there was a list

because you said there wasn't and I'd like the list. Could I have the list? Could you give us the documents that all those names are in? Apparently it's full of fascinating names we should be talking about. And I'm begging you to let me talk

about them. Just give me the documents and I will begin to do that. But I don't think you want to do that actually, I don't think you're going to release those documents anytime soon. But anyway, Larry Summers and

Bill Clinton are notable guys and Cenk, if they're in there and if they've done something wrong, we'll do plenty of segments on them. But what do you think about this most recent attempt to distraction? Yeah, so there's a lot more where that came from and

there's a lot more evidence that came out just in the last 24 hours about Donald Trump as connection to Epstein. It's just like a tsunami, you know why? because they were great friends for at least 10 years, 10 to 20 years.

And we'll get some of the evidence on that in a minute, right? So I'm with John obviously, this is hilarious, right? I don't know why they're talking about me. Could it be because you're the president right now and

you're in the files and your own attorney general said that? In fact, you're all over the files, that doesn't mean he did it. But it does mean a lot of people were talking about him in that context, so was Jeffrey Epstein on tape, okay, we have that as well that context, so was Jeffrey Epstein on

tape, okay, we have that as well. Okay, so, and you're the one actively hiding the evidence. That might be why we're talking about you. By the way, though, if you release it and Bill Clinton and Larry Summers are in there,

we'll rip their face off, okay? So you'll be happy, Maggie will be happy, everybody will be happy, right? Because we don't give a damn Democrat or Republican, we just want to know, why the hell are you guys all

hiding this? Okay, so this is insanity. This is the government of both parties going, no, we're never going to be honest with you. That if you can't see why that makes people more curious and more suspicious,

you're not very bright, okay? Or of course, you're assuming that none of your voters are bright, and then you'll just be able to trick them. Well, now how's that working out for you guys? And the last thing I'll double down

on is, you got a list of hedge fund guys. Okay, John, you're right. First, I thought the list didn't exist. Second, well, I thought the list was fake. So why do you have a list of a bunch

of fake people on the list, made up by Obama, Biden, Clapper, and Comey, if you remember, that was one of his many excuses. So why are you highlighting a fake list? And okay, fine, let's put all that aside.

Now you're saying, this is your third iteration of it, that there's some hedge fund guys, Wall Street guys who are on this, yes, we want that, yes, that there's some hedge fund guys, Wall Street guys who are on this. Yes, we want that, yes, give it to us today. Yeah, you want it? Why wouldn't we want it? Who's in the hedge fund protection business other than you a-holes in Washington?

No one else is like, no, no, no, don't tell us about the hedge fund guys. Yeah, and you know Donald Trump is desperate to get you off his back if he's willing to give up those people that he loves more than anyone else. Yeah, the entire thing highly suspicious. Do we want to give was a chance to

wait? Yeah, real quick. Yeah, and that's that. I mean, it's hard to parse this, honestly, because I got to say the kind of conspiracy stuff. I was highly skeptical that Jeffrey Epstein was running some blackmail ring and

Donald Trump was part of it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. However, the guy's behavior more recently has pretty much changed my mind, because I think the old Donald Trump would have trusted the idea that he could shoot somebody in the middle of

Fifth Ave, and his fans would still support him, and just released everything. And his name would have been in there, and so would have a bunch of other people. And if it was just like, yeah, I've been to parties with him,

I've gone to his house, I was friends with him for 15 years. He could be like, yeah, I got rid of him in 2004, these other people kept hanging out with him forever. He could have just kind of, I got rid of him in 2004. These other people kept hanging out with him forever. He could have just kind of moved on

from this because there are so many other prominent people in here. But his refusal to let it out, even though he knows there's other people to be implicated, makes me believe that he was doing something very, very shady with Jeffrey Epstein.

Yeah, just real quick, Andrew Schultz said the same thing today, almost verbatim to what was said, right? And Andrew voted for Trump this time around. And even he's like, I didn't think there was anything,

but now I'm sure there is. Yeah. Especially once they started throwing the squirrels around, Washington commanders, Hillary emails. But Andrew Schultz said by the time they got to Obama and how he committed treason, I'm like, he's like, I'm sure he's on the list.

Okay, now I know he did it, right? And I'm in the same place as you guys. I don't know if Trump did it, right? And I would have assumed he didn't because he seemed a little cavalier about it before. But the way that his hair is on fire is making everyone think he did it. The thing, I've never accused him of anything specific.

I wouldn't do that without evidence, I'm not a conservative. But the line from him in, I think, political reporting, they're going to accuse me of funny business. He keeps going beyond just, I'm in the file to they're going to claim

I did a specific thing, which if we were going to do that, we'd have already done that. We've been talking about this for three weeks straight. None of us are jumping to be like, he had sex with this particular girl, but he is sure that specific

accusations are coming. And we now know that he's known for months his presence in the files. That I think again, I'm not gonna make any specific claims. I think he knows about something particularly damning that's in there. That is not just you knew the guy, you partied with the guy. He's acting like, so again, all the way back to the Fox News thing. He was like, well, you know,, a lot of phony stuff could ruin someone's mind or it could ruin someone's life. That's worse than just you hung out with the guy.

He clearly thinks there's something damn incoming. That's all I'll say for now. Yeah, and super last thing on that because we gotta give you more of the evidence, is that it doesn't have to be either or, guys, because another leading theory was intelligence agencies. Now, if you're in the intelligence agencies and you don't want this released for whatever reason,

what would be awesome is if Trump is in the files and you've got something on him. because then he's definitely not going to want to release it and reveal what actually happened, right? So if it's one of the intelligence

agencies, they're like, if Trump's in there, they're like, yes, we got him, okay? That way you'll never see him. Let's go through some of the additional evidence, not about his culpability with specific crimes, but just the

long standing, just great friendship that he apparently had with Epstein. We're going to return to the topic of the letter that was sent to him, Jeffrey Epstein, for his 50th birthday, which Trump has claimed never existed. His excuse about it is changing though.

Take a look at this, see if it's convincing. You maintain you did not write a letter for Jeffrey Epstein's birthday? I don't even know what they're talking about. Now, somebody could have written a letter and used my name, but that's happened a lot. All you have to do is take a look at the dossier, the fake dossier. Everything's fake with that administration. Everything's fake with the Democrats. How you supposed to trust this kind of literature? Just anything, everything's fake with them. It's all made up, even the stuff that's true. I don't like it, so it's fake. So somebody

back in 2003 sent a phony letter to Jeffrey Epstein and signed Donald Trump's name to it, why? You were friends with the guy for 15 years at that point, you remained friends with him for years and in the middle of your friendship, somebody posed as you to send him a letter,

why would they do that? I'm not asking a rhetorical question, honestly, why would anyone do that? I have a theory. Okay, so first of all, anytime Donald Trump says somebody could have done it,

that means he did do it. Okay, so that happened. So he always gives the game away. He's hilarious. Okay, now in this case, here's what I thought instantly as soon as that story broke and I think I said it on air that day

or the day after which so Galen Maxwell is going to organize this 50th birthday party for Epsi. She's the one that goes to Trump and all of his other friends and goes, hey, can you send a note? We're going to put it in a book, etc, right?

So my guess is a lot of those rich and famous people were like, all right, you write the note and then I'll edit it or something. That happens a lot, right? So probably she wrote it and all the references to enigmas and secrets that she, Epstein and

Trump know, right? And then he signs it, right? So he saw it, he okayed it, but Ghislaine might have written it. But I think the reason he's in a panic is because the pubic hair part is his signature. And when you see the signature, you're all gonna go, yeah, that's Donald Trump's signature.

Yeah. Right? So that's the part that's most authentic. That's why he's like, I could have, but it got a lot of fake. I mean, you never know, somebody else could have written it, etc. And I think that's what he's referring to, but it's just my guess. The thing that I want both of your opinions on though is like, we're not surprised that he potentially sent a letter.

They hung out all the time or whatever. What the interesting thing in this that I think a lot of people have started the bulwark started to speculate about involves JD Vance, who has been like oddly, just not around for the past couple of weeks.

Now I know he's been largely relevant to the administration this entire time. But like you would think during this most fraught period of the Trump presidency, JD Vance, his bulldog would be by his side. But he has been, you've had and

heard barely a peep out of him. And when he does put out a statement, it's interesting. He had this to say when asked by Chris Hayes about whether the letter actually exists. So he tweeted, I have no idea if the book exists, Wall Street

Journal won't show it to us. I have no idea if the book exists, Wall Street Journal won't show it to us. I have no idea if the letter exists, Wall Street Journal won't show it to us, which is not denying that it does exist, which Trump is doing. So he's not agreeing with Trump. He's just saying, I can't say for sure. What I find absurd is the idea that Donald Trump was writing poems to Epstein. And I find it equally absurd that a major American paper would attack the President of the United States without revealing the basis for the attack, which does seem to be sort of daring them to reveal it. And he's not saying it never could have happened or that if it happened, it's fine. He's just

saying it's absurd to imagine that Trump would doing this, would have done this. And so if it does come out, then he, JD Vance wasn't lying or anything. And he can be as shocked and chagrined as everybody by the fact that Donald Trump did actually send these pervy letters. And it feeds into the idea that some people have been speculating about that JD Vance's secret meeting to go see the Murdochs.

And the weird way he's been kind of hands off of the whole Epstein thing and Donald Trump might be trying to keep himself clean. So that if Donald Trump goes down, which seems to me utterly inconceivable, but if he did, that JD Vance would not be tarred with the same Epstein nastiness. And that maybe he could continue on as the new leader of the Republican Party. I don't know what you make of that. Yeah, I think that it's not that controversial at all. You're 100% right. And so you don't know what you make of that. Yeah, I think that it's not that controversial at all.

You're 100% right. And so you don't want to think of the Epstein files anywhere near you if you're going to run for president, right? So if I was a JD Vance, I'd do the same thing. I'd be in the witness protection

program. I'm actually surprised he made this comment because his first comment was this is all BS nonsense. Well, it's another fake news story. Now he's like, well, I don't know if the letter exists or doesn't exist.

I don't know if the book exists or doesn't exist. So all of a sudden not BS anymore. Now all of a sudden, perfectly plausible. No, they all know it exists and they all know that for some reason they believe it's coming out.

And since they think it's definitely coming out, they're getting ahead of it by going, well, did we say BS? We're changing our story to, maybe it exists, but of course it's definitely coming out. They're getting ahead of it by going, well, did we say BS? We're changing our story to, maybe it exists, but of course it's fake. Everything is fake, of course,

right? And I'm going to jump in with one of the member comments because I like this so much. Wong John wrote on tyt.com, any day now Trump will go full OJ. I'm not into abseem files. But if I was,

here's what the files will say about me. I love them. But if I was, here's what the files will say about me. I love them. You know what, Wong John, you're always funny, but that one was great. $100 blue apron gift card. If you're a member rewardsattyt.com

and I know you are, go collect that because that was great. Yeah, it was, go ahead. It's pretty obvious to me and maybe people will say I'm being conspiratorial when the guy issues a clear non denial denial.

He doesn't come out and say this is complete BS, it doesn't exist. And here's why we know this, these files are in the possession of Trump's DOJ, Trump's FBI. Meaning theoretically, anybody are in the possession of Trump's DOJ, Trump's FBI. Meaning, theoretically, anybody

that's as high up as JD Vance or Donald Trump himself can actually go see what's in there on their own. This is ridiculous, this idea that it's sitting in some secret vault. No, it's in possession of the United States government. You guys are at the head of

the government, go in there, get it, put it out and show us what it is. This idea of guessing and, I'm not really sure, I don't know. You guys are in possession of the entire file, all of this stuff. And viewers need to understand this, I watch a lot of true crime

stuff, right? And you can watch like a FBI true crime thing where they explain to you the trial of the five families when they put Rico cases on the Italian mafia in New York. And they tell you, this is how we got the evidence.

We got a fake electrician in this guy's house. We wired the bathrooms in this gentleman's club. We did this, we had this snitch. They literally will lay out the case, play you the tapes, all of this stuff on TV programs.

They can do this. That's what I'm trying to say. They can literally let this evidence go. They can tell you what the DOJ had on this guy from the first case in 06 when they compelled him to agree to a plea of one year of confinement.

Of course, we know it was a BS country club prison 12 days, 12 hours of the day he got to do whatever the hell he wanted. But they had some level of evidence to compel this guy to even take a plea deal. Then of course there's the financial disclosure, it's like the administration is in possession of everything. This idea that they have to do this guesswork and play around is absurd.

Yeah, yeah, I love that you conjure this idea of like, you gotta get all our ducks in the row, perfect investigation, procedural. Meanwhile, Pam Bondi closed the case without talking to Gillian Maxwell. And literally never even spoke to

her. And Trump had four years to go through this case. We pretending like it's his first term. Yeah. Why didn't you do it in the first term?

Come on. Exactly, no, the entire thing is ridiculous. And also I'm not going to do my whole spiel from last Friday, but I don't even understand why they're saying that the letter is fake. If it was real, do you think they wouldn't care?

Again, we know that they were best friends for literally years. They apparently did exchange letters and stuff like that. And every day, as more of the evidence of their bromance comes out, I feel worse about my male friendships.

I've never maintained long term a male friendship like this. I think guys, we have to do better. But anyway, Trump's name apparently was also on a contributor list for a book for Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday. Sorry, somebody impersonated him on a contributor list for a book for Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday.

Sorry, somebody impersonated him on the contributor list for a book celebrating the 50th birthday. And again, other people were on it, not just Donald Trump, Alan Greenberg, who headed Bear Stearns, Les Wexner, owner of Victoria's Secret.

Bill Clinton had a letter in there in which he praised Epstein's childlike curiosity, which any way would be a better way to word that Bill Clinton. The introductory letter to it from Ghislaine Maxwell is present, you can actually see the shot of it

right there. And by the way, if this letter turns out to be authentic from Trump, which spoiler, it was real, it wouldn't be the only time he did it. Apparently, a copy of Trump's book, Trump, the Art of the Comeback that belonged to Epstein was signed to Jeff. You are the greatest by Donald Trump in 1997, again, because they were best friends for years and years and years.

Yeah, last couple things from members of viewers here, because I am loving your guys comments here. Nov1775Jim says, they used the auto pen for Trump back then. I thought he was opposed to that. It's a great comment on Super Chat and then a YouTube member wrote in

Casey with a good point and we'll talk more about this in the next segment too. Of course, he'll pardon her right after she says he's not on the list. So, but the very fact that Trump's former lawyer is talking to Ghislaine Maxwell,

taints everything about that conversation, right? So she comes out and says, don't worry, here's all the Democrats on the list, but conveniently Trump didn't do it. I mean, who's going to believe that?

Right? Every right wing media personality. Well, that's also true. Okay, but these days maybe not. And again, Rogan today, so we mentioned Andrew Schultz. Rogan today was like, yeah,

what Cash Patel said on my show made no sense. They're obviously covering this up. So apparently, they're a little bit harder to fool than Trump thought. All right, Was, last thoughts. Just another thing for people to keep in mind.

Jeffrey Epstein, in so much as this guy had a skill beyond trafficking young women, it was these sort of tax havens overseas, like tax shelters, shady ways for people to hide their money from our government. People hide our money, quite frankly, from us.

And Donald Trump, if all he was doing and how he got connected with him, because he didn't have access to the sort of networks of foreign bank accounts and all of that stuff. And all he was doing with Jeffrey Epstein was money laundering. I promise you he would

already admitted that. He'd been like, look, I didn't pay taxes, only dummies, only suckers. That's completely in line with the Trump MO. The fact that he hasn't come out and be like, look,

it was just the money thing. It just shows you these guys had an intimate relationship. There's no two ways about it. I'm not going to claim to know the ins and outs, but these two had a very intimate relationship and there's probably

proof of said intimacy. Yeah, well, I think we should take our first break. We come back, we need to grapple with the possibility that Gaylene Maxwell could be getting off after this. Discover the magic of Bet MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck.

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Antonio Malone and damn bam bam, 01 official. Okay, I like it. Thank you guys for joining. We appreciate they hit that big beautiful join button below the video. We hope you support honest program

and do likewise. All right, John. Okay, we should probably get to this pardoning Maxwell story quickly so that we can preempt Donald Trump actually doing it. Let's roll this. Would you consider a pardon or

a commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell if cooperating? It's something I haven't thought about. It's really something. It's something I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not thought about.

So we could leave that running for a long time and you know what you wouldn't hear him ruling out pardoning Gile Maxwell because it's not going to happen and should be easy, right? Super quick. I mean, she's committed sexual

crimes against children. She's a trafficker. She's everything the right supposedly hates. And Donald Trump, who of course has wished her well in the past, doesn't rule it out and stresses that he can do it

if he wants to. Now Cenk, other than as a pretext getting people ready for you when you do it, why would you stress that you can do it with someone so utterly heinous? We're now having a real conversation about pardoning

Gillian Maxwell. Her lawyer is asking for it today, and he's very serious. So people said, we hate what Epstein did, and we demand to know all the secrets of the Epstein files, and they're like, good point, why don't we release the

only person convicted for it that's alive now? That's the opposite of what we want. And guys, just think about this, just on that answer alone, that was one of the most stunning answers I've ever seen.

Are you considering pardoning the biggest groomer in American history? Well, I could do it. If you said to me, and I'm president, you say, hey, would you consider pardoning Jeffrey Dahmer?

My answer would be, are you mental? Of course not. Why is that even a question? My answer would be, are you mental? Of course not. Why is that even a question? What a weird question, right? My answer wouldn't be, I could do it. Hannibal Lecter, I could do it.

Charles Manson, I could pardon him. I could pardon him. That is a outrageously bizarre response. And there's no excuse for that response. It makes no sense at all. I mean, imagine, okay, look,

the last thing, MAGA guys, you hate all the undocumented immigrants that committed crime here, got it? They committed crime like some did terrible, right, shot an American, right? Imagine that they're in

an American prison, right? And they ask Trump, would you consider pardoning this undocumented immigrant who murdered this young blonde girl, right? And he's like, I could do it. But why? It's like there is no question

that's a bigger softball than would you like to pardon one of the worst criminals in American history? Yeah. And you go, I'm thinking about it. It's strange. Now, an impromptu question, maybe it's an oversight.

He meant to say that he would. So they asked again later and he said, I don't want to talk about that. I mean, he's going to do it. Wow. He then said I never went to that island, which is the funniest way

to express that. And so I think he's gonna do it. I think he's, why not? What's the difference? Why not do it? We're gonna run through some of his other pardons, by the way. And I think this one would be the craziest, but it's not like there haven't been a lot of crazy ones. And right now we're coming off of the second day of meetings between the DOJ and Maxwell in Tallahassee. And it's Todd Blanch, which is not who you would send if you just

wanted to gather information. You would do it if you wanted someone with loyalty and a history with Donald Trump. I mean, send a prosecutor, send someone with case expertise on Epstein, that's not Todd Blanch. Todd Blanch only has expertise with

Donald Trump and what he wants. And also, by the way, they've made clear, we have no idea how much, if any, information they're going to release from the interview. The idea that, they're finally talking to her, so we're going to

get the whole transcript. There's no reason to believe that at all. They might release some redacted information or literally no information. They didn't go to get information for you, they went to get

information for somebody. And since both Pam Bondi and Todd Blanch have been Donald Trump's personal lawyers, my guess would be that they went to get information for him, the only person in this entire story that he actually cares about.

And we're going to debate whether the pardon might come, but I just want everyone to remember, he's issued so far in his second term, 58 pardons and 12 commutations. That's not including the blanket clemency for all of the insurrectionists, including the people who tried to murder police officers and politicians. The multiple people that have been rearrested after their pardons, the several that are dead after their run ins with police afterward,

all of those two. And the 58 pardons that did come include massive unrepentant frauds and criminals, people who committed terrible crimes, never took responsibility for it. And he just let them go free. They ripped off shareholders,

they ripped off the American people, and he's just let them go. And so he has always shown a willingness to go above and beyond and using whatever power he has, including the pardon power to help himself. That was true at the close of his

first term as well for some of his prior legal troubles. So if he thought that he could lock down Maxwell, who is, as of right now, the biggest wild card remaining in the Epstein story, why would he not do it? Yeah, so guys-

It's not going to work. This idea that the hand wave this story away, you give up your grant to presidential party to the co conspirator, thereby making her. And again, if she just doesn't give up the goods whatsoever. Maybe if she comes out and she gives a bunch of details about a bunch of people that Donald

Trump considers to be his enemies. And they find a way to frame this as, look, we got the goods, we corroborated the stuff, and a bunch of people get fingered. Then okay, but outside of a bunch of people being fingered by Ghislaine Maxwell, it's not going to work, guys. People are going to wake up tomorrow

and be like, Ghislaine is free, we're happy now, Epstein files are over. Yeah, no, there's a smart way to do this, I'm afraid to say it on there. But some of you have written out now, Epstein files are over. Yeah, no, there's a smart way to do this, I'm afraid to say it on air, but a lot, some of you have written in about

it, etc too. And we just mentioned it a little bit in the earlier segment. She just has to give up two or three Democrats, hide Trump, hide if it was intelligence agencies. Then think about it, I mean,

if you're Trump and or an intelligence agency that did this, right? If she does that, okay, you get to blame the Democrats and go ha ha, I told you, right? You get to keep your whatever information you have about Trump

in your back pocket, which you can still use later and hold over his head. You get to distract from the intelligence agencies, and you get to let Ghislaine Maxwell go who was your asset or agent in the first place, right?

So, and then when you get to her lawyer's comment, David Oscar Marcus, and when he said, quote, the President said he had the power to do so, and we will exercise that power. What does he know something we don't? What does he mean we will exercise

that power? I don't know. So that's why if they did it that way, maybe they think, okay, then Magg will be satisfied. We gave him some red meat. And so what do you think was that's not going to work?

I don't think so. I don't think two Democrats are enough. The way that this story has been framed by Cash Patel and Dean Bongino, it's not that there's two straight Democrats or four straight Democrats.

It's that there is a global cabal of elites. We're talking about former US presidents, former Israeli prime ministers, Leon Black. I mean, Apollo, the amount of money these people had under management, Les Wexner, Bill Gates. We are talking about the most powerful and rich people in the world. A couple of Democratic senators or Congress critters and Bill Clinton

who's about the croak anyway and nobody has been disgraced. And has no credibility to be, that was the extent of the Epstein files, it's Bill Clinton and a couple of other Democrats. That's not going to cut Mr. Yaw. extent of the Epstein files? It's Bill Clinton and a couple of the Democrats. That's not going to cut Mr. Yall.

I don't know, I hope you're right. I think Trump would find appealing giving her up if Maxwell's like, Hillary Clinton went on the plane twice. And I think there would be plenty of right wing commentators, not necessarily some of the ones

that Cenk recently mentioned. That would be like, we can get a couple news cycles out of some Bill Clinton details. I think some would find that very appealing. Breaking news. Okay, I'm going to tell you two

stories. She's goner, she's free, free as a bird, okay? So it hasn't happened yet. But first, Newsmax's Greg Kelly says that Ghislaine Maxwell might be a victim. So that talking point has begun

already. She's the true victim. She's the only one convicted. Other than Epstein who's dead. By the way, Epstein killed himself because there was no evidence, right? Of the hoax.

Okay, so, okay, all right, but that's not definitive. That's just one rando, potentially, although that's a towing point, okay? Get a load of this. Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer says she gave DOJ info on 100 different

people. Okay, now, are they really going to give you a list of 100 people? No way, no way. But that's a prelude to, now, we can't show you that list either, right? But trust us, she gave can't show you that list either, right? But trust us, she gave us such

valuable information that we'll use several decades later, right? And so that's why we had to let her go. Now this is like beginning to be a tsunami, like over, god damn, whichever intelligence agency it is, they control everything.

Because letting Ghislaine Maxwell go as everyone is furious about the Epstein files would be the most audacious thing the US government has ever done. Like for that's if it's the CIA, that's the CIA going, what are you going to do about it?

You thought there was a deep state? Watch this, suck on this deep state. We're letting the pedophile groomer go, you guys were super pissed about it, take this kick in the balls, we're going to let her go, if they do that man, and

if any maga falls for it, my god, guys, come on, guys, come on. So so far they've been pretty good and the independents are gone. We did not get to the polling on it, but independent polling for Trump, especially on Epstein, fell right off a cliff.

And Gen Z. Yeah, they're gone. I told you the independent voters are going to flip. Of course they're going to flip, right? Because why? because Trump's going to be

a disaster. You have to believe that independent voters are all racist, fascist Nazis that will never flip. Because you have to believe that the independent voters are all racist, fascist, Nazis, and will never flip. Because you think that they don't think even though they voted for Obama or Bernie before,

they don't think at all. They're all morons, they're all whatever. And Trump's going to do a brilliant job, so they would have no reason to flip. I think the exact opposite. I think those independent voters

are eminently flippable. They're desperately looking for a non-establishment answer. They hate the elites. We're the non-establishment answer. And of course, Trump's going to be a disaster. And that gives us an opportunity to

go get those guys. Let's go get those guys instead of insulting them for God's sake. And so if they really like Ghislaine Maxwell go, and they don't have a good enough explanation, this whole country is going to explode.

So okay, let's see who's in charge of this country. Let's see, let's see. And let's see if she gets a slot speaking at the RNC next time around. Anyway, we should probably go to a break. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we have fun stuff coming up soon. Jerome Powell turns out is a master of physical comedy. All right, guys back. Cenk, John was with you guys, but also Rohan and Moe Dang Man.

So thanks for hitting the join button guys, we appreciate it. Love having everybody as members and love that you guys participate in the show. And now holy cow breaking news. Yes, almost instantaneous update to the story we were just talking

about about Gillian Maxwell and the possibility that she might be pardoned. She has already received a limited form of immunity. This happened earlier today. We'll see how much we should freak out.

So she was speaking with Todd Blanch again today for about three hours. That was the interview they did. And during that she received a limited form of immunity, with Todd Blanch again today for about three hours. That was the interview they did and during that she received a limited form of immunity referred to as proffer immunity.

We're being told by ABC News that it is commonly granted during interviews like this, with it basically meaning that any new information that she reveals cannot be used against her in future criminal cases. Now bear in mind that she has

already been tried and found guilty of sexually trafficking young girls. And I can't conceive of a world in which absent Donald Trump granting her immunity she ever walks free. But that said, there could still be further cases even though she's

already in jail if she revealed new information. So it could be that this is just a normal sort of deal or it could be that this is just a normal sort of deal or it could be the dipping the toe in the water of well, we give you a little bit of immunity and then maybe we give you a little bit of

your freedom and you're going off and having brunch. I want to know who Ghislaine Maxwell talked to. It will see the prison log before she decided to make this deal. I'd be very curious who is on her call list that decided, yeah,

it's okay, you can do this. But then it could have gone through her lawyer, so God knows. Because there's no, I'd be shocked out of my mind. It is absolutely inconceivable that she's going to be like, yeah, okay, for a limited form of immunity for

future cases, it was Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Leon Black, and all these guys, right? And by the way, it was the CIA. She's not going to say that, right? So which very, very likely what she's going to do is give up people

who are not going to hurt this current administration and hope of getting a pardon from a guy who loves to give pardons. So we were joking about it earlier then we got serious about it in the middle of the story. And by the end of the story,

there was breaking news about limited immunity. Can I give you just one quote before we discuss more? The lawyer Marcus of Maxwell says she didn't hold anything back. He references the 100 people thing that we talked about earlier.

She referenced 100 people, which man, she really was popular. I don't know 100 people my entire life. He declined, Marcus, to say anyone specifically that she mentioned and said, we haven't asked for anything. This is not a situation where

we're asking for anything in return for testimony or anything like that. Of course, everybody knows Ms. Maxwell would welcome any relief. So- That's you asking for it. What do you mean you're not asking for it? everybody knows Ms. Maxwell would welcome any relief. So-

That's you asking for it. What do you mean you're not asking for it? And earlier we read you the quote of how he said, we will get a part. No, there was no question mark at the end of it.

It was an affirmative statement. It's not a ask. Yeah, was. Again, I just have a hard time believing this woman is actually going to give up any goods. And if she doesn't, it's not going to quell the firestorm.

It's just not. If she just gives some, all right, here's his four guys or whatever, and keeps it pushing, it's not going to work. I get that people see this as a quote unquote conspiracy theory, it's not going to work. I get that people see this as a quote unquote conspiracy theory,

but this is actually more than that. Epstein, they said did something like $1.5 billion in transactions on his account in eight years. Who is this money going to? Who was putting the money in his account, right? When it comes to, again, when the

feds first raided his crib, because they've re-arrested him, because the deal that they gave him was basically illegal back in 08 or whatever it was. The FBI said we've seized thousands of hours of drives of video tapes. This guy had hidden cameras in his

house, this is actual public information. This is what people are clamoring for. This idea that people just want to hear Delaine Maxwell say four or five names out of her mouth. It's not going to work.

And then, if she's actually, and then on the flip side, if she's actually allowed, as Cenk just mentioned, to actually snitch on powerful people, and God forbid, intelligence agencies, either here or abroad, that just cannot and will not happen.

So it's just hard for me to see a scenario where she actually does the thing that gets the public to believe that everything that there is to be known about the Epstein situation has been known and found out. Yeah, and my last point is this.

So she talked about 100 different people according to the lawyer. Wait, I thought there were no clients. Didn't the Justice Department put that out, what was it, two weeks ago, ten days ago? That there were no clients at all

and no one was going to be prosecuted. Then which 100 people is she talking about? Guys, it's not paraphrasing, it's not little bit, it's not hyperbole. They literally said there were not just noasing, it's not little bit, it's not hyperbole. They literally said there were not

just no lists, there were no clients and no one was going to be prosecuted. Now there's 100 clients. And then Trump being the ultimate dumbass then later said, there is a list but it's fake. So wait, did you ask her about

the fake list? Why are we entertaining the fake list? What is this? They're not even like they're the world's worst liars. If the Epstein thing was a quote unquote hoax, like Trump said,

why is this woman in jail? If nothing happened, if there's nothing to see here, why is Ghislaine Maxwell serving a prison sentence for sex trafficking if this was a hoax? None of this spin is making sense. This is why they look like they're, not they look like they are flailing, because there's

no good way to skate around this. Well, why don't we lighten the mood? It's a very serious, very dark topic. Let's have a little bit of fun with the head of the Fed, a person you always turn to for comedy, take a look. We're just taking a look at what's happening and it's a tough construction job there. It looks like it's about 3.1 billion, one up a little bit or a lot.

So the 2.7 is now 3.1. And- I'm not aware of that. Yeah, it just came out. Yeah, I haven't heard that from anybody. Oh my God, that's so amazing. I love a person who doesn't give a damn about Donald Trump or whether he has a problem with the way you're responding to him.

That being, of course, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, who, when Donald Trump pulled out that number to make it seem as if maybe he's got some sort of excuses we'll get into to get rid of Jerome Powell. Jerome Powell is like, no, that's not true. And we're going to go to a little bit more of the reaction before we will give you all the details.

Don't worry. I haven't heard that from anybody, the Fed. It just came out. Our notes had about 3.1 as well. 3.1, 3.2, this came from us? Yes, I don't know who does that. You're including the Martin renovation. You just added in a third building is what that is.

That's a third building. It's a building that's being built. It was built five years ago. We finished Martin five years ago. It's part of the overall work. So we're gonna take a look. It was built five years ago. We finished Martin five years ago. It's part of the overall work. So we're going to take a look. Get out.

That is literally me every time I listen to Donald Trump speak. No, that's what he's talking about. I love to see it. And Donald Trump's little defensive body language, I was like, no, it's somebody, it just came out, you wouldn't know.

And then the dude whips out his glasses, instantly identifies the source of the lie that Tim Scott is pretending is true there. He's like, no, you're just adding in another building. And then Trump's like, don're just adding in another building. And then Trump's like, don't worry about it. It's still counts. No, it was already built

like five years ago. It was so good. Was he sound like you want to jump in? And no, it's just perfect. It's just Donald Trump trying to make a show of things. And Jerome Powell is kind of a mini king unto himself, right? He is pretty insulated in the sense that the people who own our freaking economy, the Wall Street people are completely loyal to the guy. And if Donald Trump did anything,

the markets and all of this stuff would go into a complete panic. Remember when he panicked about the bond market after his stupid crazy tariffs? Jerome Powell knows that he's insulated from that because Wall Street has his back.

And so he can go on TV and be like this guy is full of crap. It's quite amazing. Yeah, so when I first saw it, I thought it was AI. I'm like, wait, they're together? Because Trump's been insulting him nonstop.

So I was already surprised that they were together. And then in those funny hats, right, in fact, our poll question is one of my favorite poll questions in the live chat. Who wore the hard hat better, Trump, Powell, or none of the above?

Okay, so watch the show live, be part of the show, you crazy? 6 to 8 PM every day. All right, so what do we get? Powell, nice. Okay, so he also reminded me of Dave Kohler, if you're an old school TYT fan, right?

Okay, he's one of the founders here. He said he looks like Dave Kohler in the control room in the old days. While I'm talking. Yeah, well, I'm talking now. Anyway, that was one of the funniest

clips I've ever seen. And you know what, just when you thought the Federal Reserve couldn't be funny. Yeah, these guys get comedy. By the way, I'd love to see the poll in the Ghislaine Maxwell pardon, I want to find out what

the audience thinks. But we throw a lot of numbers around, what is all this about? These guys get comedy. By the way, I'd love to see the poll in the Ghislaine Maxwell pardon. I want to find out what the audience thinks. But we've thrown a lot of numbers around. What is all this about? Why would Donald Trump take time out of when he could be dodging questions about Epstein to hang out

with a guy that he hates, too late Jerome Powell? Well, they were touring the renovation site at the headquarters of the Federal Reserve, where over the years, the price of the renovations has gone up.

That is true, it's just that what Donald Trump was throwing out was based on a complete misunderstanding of which buildings have been built and how much it costs and all that. And in defense of Donald Trump, he can't be expected to understand stuff about construction. But anyway, so why would they care about this? What's the point of it? Well, Donald Trump wants to fire Jerome Powell. He wants to put in somebody who

will do whatever he says like he has already done across the rest of the federal government. Because he wants to juice the economy in terms of interest rates, even if long term that might not be in the interest of our economy or businesses of regular people or

whatever, he doesn't care. He wants to do whatever he needs to do to make it look good right now, okay, especially if he can capitalize on it, either economically or politically. The issue is that the Supreme Court recently signaled that Trump can't

fire Powell simply because he disagrees with him on interest rates, but that legally, he could do so for cause. So if there was misconduct or dereliction of duty, or if you felt like you could pin, I don't know, a half billion dollars in cost overruns on the Federal Reserve headquarters on him, then maybe that would count.

Again, it doesn't seem to be based on anything and I don't understand how you could possibly claim that that was Jerome Powell's fault. But at this point, he looks like he wants some sort of fig leaf, some sort of excuse that could justify getting rid of him and feel free to jump in. Yeah, just real quick guys. Look, the problem with Trump is, I always think, be careful what you

wish for, right? Because if in the middle of a hot economy you lower interest rates, you might get back to skyrocketing inflation. Let alone the fact that if the tariffs ever come into effect, you lower interest rates, you might get back to skyrocketing inflation, let alone the fact that if the tariffs ever come into

effect, they're supposed to be August 1st, probably delay those, whatever, right? If they ever come into effect and you cut interest rates and it was a hot market in the first place, good night, Irene, with inflation. So he's so simple minded.

Yes, interest rates, if you lower interest rates, generally the economy does better. Unless you're worried about He's so simple minded. Yes, interest rates, if you lower interest rates, generally the economy does better. Unless you're worried about inflation, but he doesn't bother reading the unless part, right? So he keeps pressuring and

pressuring. And in a lot of ways, Jerome Powell is doing him a huge favor by saying no. And he's done a pretty good job of shepherding this. One of the members wrote in, it's the best Trump appointment. And there's a lot of truth to that. And he's done a pretty good job of shepherding this. One of the members wrote in, it's the best Trump appointment.

And there's a lot of truth to that. And he actually navigated inflation during the Biden administration. I know that it was a huge issue and it really hurt the Democrats so much. But the rest of the world was worse off than we were.

And Powell did an interesting and decent job of maintaining inflation in a place where it did not get crazy out of control. So but if you get a political guy interfering non stop, it's going to make it worse, not better. And Donald Trump has already

telegraphed exactly what he's thinking about this when under Joe Biden, he claimed that Biden would put pressure on the Fed to lower interest rates to help himself out politically in the short term. That's literally what he said about Biden and literally what he's doing now. Exactly.

It's called projection. Let me just read this one message that he put out after that meeting and then we can discuss some more. Trump said this on True Social, the cost overruns are substantial, but on the positive side, our capital C country is doing very well and can afford just about anything, even the cost of this building. Let's just get it finished and even more importantly,

lower interest rates. And I learned a lot from that, apparently our country can afford just about anything. So I suppose we don't have to do all the fire rings Elon Musk wanted. We can hire back all those people working on bird flu and

air traffic controllers. And we can restore the funding to NPR and PBS because we can afford just about anything. And there's no reason, certainly no justification to throw 12 million people off of Medicaid if our pockets are about to burst from all the cash that's

overflowing from them. I mean, you cannot do austerity for everyone other than the hyper rich and then come out and claim that everything is so fantabulous that we have money for anything that possibly comes up, okay? You're trying to argue that there should be these massive cuts at the same time you're

giving tax cuts to the wealthy. It just the math doesn't math. Yeah, Was. I mean, again, like all he wants is a lower interest rate. I actually think there's an argument to be made that the president should have more authority over monetary policy. Obviously, I could understand why

people want to tell me to shut the hell up while Donald Trump is our president. Perhaps if we had a more, let's say prudent and responsible president. I think it'd be completely fine and in line with what people have elected this guy to do for him to take that under his control.

But I think the problem for Trump, again, and I gotta reiterate this, Jerome Powell's power comes from the trust that he has from the owners of our economy. The people on Wall Street, the people that own the financial sector, they have way more trust in Jerome Powell than they have the owners of our economy, like the people on Wall Street, the people that own the financial

sector, they have way more trust in Jerome Powell's ability to navigate these times with monetary policy than they do Donald Trump, and how can you blame them? Yeah, 100%. And look, I've got my own concerns about the fed's governance and

independence. But at times like this, I think, look, I've got my own concerns about the fed's governance and independence. But at times like this, I think, well, maybe they should be independent. And related, people always throw around these other organizations that are supposed to be like the norm is that they're semi-independent like the DOJ or whatever. At times like this, I think maybe we should make that written down. Maybe that should be a rule rather than a norm. Yeah, exactly, all right.

I know we're out of time, but we promised to end a story so we gotta do it. So- Okay. I know we're out of time, but we promised to end a story so we got to do it. So, and all right, let's just let's do it and then we'll- Let's jump into it. Israel, right? Oftentimes when we talk about

foreign aid that goes to Israel at this point, I believe it's about, what, $4 billion a year? On top of all of the military aid that we've been pumping into Israel over the last two years. I mean, it's unacceptable to me. I mean, it's unacceptable to me. I mean, it's unacceptable to me. I mean, it's about what $4 billion a year, on top of all the military aid that we've been

pumping into Israel over the last two years. I mean, it's unacceptable to me that we're doing that. And in the backdrop of that, you have the United States Congress cutting $1.1 trillion to Medicaid. Really, that's the problem,

that's where we need to cut funding from. By the way, also cutting funding to food assistance. So that set might look familiar, I assume that person does because of course that's our Anna Kasparian who went on Tucker

Carlson's show. That clip was from just the first few minutes of the interview. She's already hitting Trump on the spending bill, the completely out of whack economic priorities of the Republicans in Congress and

in the White House. And she did have a lot more to say about the budget bill. We're going to get to that shortly, but Cenk, what was your immediate reaction when you saw her appearance? Yeah, so I loved it.

And so, look guys, I'll tell you the most animating thing for me and then I'll tell you why it was also good for other reasons. For me, I'm obsessed with ending the genocide in Gaza. And so I will take any ally that's going to help me end the genocide

in Gaza. So if you say I shouldn't and I'm morally impure, no problem. Okay, then I'm impure, okay? And if you say, okay, I won't deal with Tucker, that's going to keep me pure, great, then you're pure.

No problem, we agree, okay? But I'm going to do whatever I need to do to end that genocide. And Tucker is as important an ally as there is in that because the current president is not a Democrat, is not a left winger. The current president is

a right winger, his name is Donald Trump. If we do not affect his base, Tucker Carlson definitely affects his base, Tucker Carlson definitely affects his base, okay? So if you want to move Trump, you can go on, in fact today, I went on a show where we were

supposed to debate, but we largely, 98% agreed with Richard Wolff, who's a really interesting professor, who is advocates for some form of Marxism, communism, etc, okay? I'm a capitalist, and we had this super interesting

conversation, we'll put it up on tyt.com slash press. We'll also put this up on tyt.com slash press, okay? So I don't care if you're super left, super right, max this or that. If we're saying let's end this genocide, I'm going to ask for your help.

But if you say, hey, who's more likely to move Trump on this issue? Professor Wolf that I talked to today, or Tucker Carlson who Anna talked to, of course it's Tucker. Of course it is. There isn't any communist professor who's going to move Donald Trump.

Tucker has a shot at it. And if you say it's not a good enough shot, good, I'll take it. I don't care if it's a 1% shot, I'll take it. Then on top of that, she's telling everybody that they were wrong to cut Medicaid, they were wrong to cut SNAP.

And then the other major issue that we agree on, the Epstein files. Why isn't it released? Why isn't it released? Press from the right, press from the left. So I thought she did a brilliant job and I'm thrilled that she

went on there. Yeah, Was, thoughts? I don't really have time for the purity test people on the left, people who call themselves leftists feeling like they can't be unwashed and deal with a Tucker Carlson. Look, if you've been paying

attention to the direction that he's moving, can't be unwashed and deal with a Tucker Carlson. Look, if you've been paying attention to the direction that he's moving, it's in a more populist direction. This guy will go on his show and say that Americans shouldn't pay their credit card debt because a 25%, 30% interest rate is criminal and

cruel and immoral. And that's just a disgusting way to make a living for yourself, is putting people into that kind of crushing debt, then killing them with interest. The war is abroad, Tucker Carlson is adamantly against the Iran stuff. Obviously adamant against the war, the siege in Gaza, the genocide in Gaza. Look, I'm not with Tucker Carlson on immigration. He's kind of a little bit, not even a little bit,

he's way out there. He actually thinks Bill O'Reilly is not white enough because he's Irish Catholic, right? And Tucker's like a psychopath wasp who believes in the true Anglo tradition of whiteness. Yeah, for sure,

his replacement theory stuff, I think is racist and disgusting, but also I think it's quite stupid and easily disproven. When you talk about replacement theory and you got like freaking Ted Cruz who's Cuban, what's not white about Ted Cruz? Who the hell is he replacing,

right? Tucker has his problems, but the idea that you won't go to somebody who's got a major audience where you could get like 2 million people on a freaking video. So that Anna could espouse the views that we've been trying to push for

here at TYT for decades or whatever it's been. I think you were just complete idiot if you think that's a bad idea. I'm sorry, I have no respect for that take. The idea that you can't talk to

Tucker Carlson because he has takes that you disagree with. I think that's utterly, talk to Tucker Carlson because he has takes that you disagree with. I think that's utterly, honestly, I don't even think it's intellectually serious, Cenk. The idea that we even pay lip service to these folks, I think is a mistake. They're idiots. I'm sorry. I think it comes down to what you use the time for. I mean, if you were to go on there and just like Tucker Carlson were talking about how awesome the camp of the saints is or whatever, then that's probably a waste of time. I wouldn't do that. But if you come out guns blazing, this bill was terrible, it's gonna hurt people.

Even focus on the fact that it's gonna hurt MAGA. Millions of Republicans are gonna lose their health insurance, they're gonna lose their food stamps. It turns out poor white people use food stamps at very high rates. If you focus on that, and then you maybe hit them on a couple things that we already know that Donald Trump is weak on. The fact that he lied about being anti-intervention when he comes out declaring he's gonna invade Greenland and obviously he bombed Iran and all that, then that could potentially be useful.

You use the access provided to you to get through to that audience on areas where you think you can actually move them. And I think that she immediately, again, that's why I was stressing it was just the first few minutes she immediately was doing that. Yeah, so I want to go to some of the other shots real quick, the videos.

But I will say, I mean, we're living super trippy times, right? So I'm a capitalist, Professor Wolf that I mentioned earlier is somewhere between socialism, Marxist, it's a little bit complicated. And then Tucker obviously is way to

the right of us. And so somehow the three of us in it or you include Anna, the four of us are magically agreeing on what the problem is. We have slightly different solutions, right? But like, yeah, the rich and powerful are

screwing us all, and we don't run our own government. And so the fact that it's this amazing coalition that is not a coalition, but all agrees, yeah, we're definitely getting screwed, is just, I grew up in a time when people did not agree to that. I grew up in a time when people did

not agree to that. I grew up in a time when mainstream media ruled everything. And they told you the status quo was great and there was no problems. And the politicians were not corrupt and

the donors did not rule things. So now when you've got professors on the left, me and Anna and Tucker all the way on the right and we all agree on all of these populist things. Again, we don't have to agree on all the solutions or

all the different policies. It's amazing, to John's point, Anna told a story of how the woman driving her to Tucker's interview was really mad about the so-called big beautiful bill because, we have that one here, let's watch that one.

One of the drivers who picked me up Jen, she mentioned the big beautiful bill that just passed and I can tell she identifies as Republican and she wasn't happy with that bill. And I suspected that most ordinary working class Americans, whether

they're Democrats or Republicans, are not happy with that bill. The $1.1 trillion in cuts to Medicaid, that's what she brought up, she brought that up. And I thought that was really fascinating.

Now, if you talk to someone who identifies as a liberal Democrat, they'll probably think, these Republican voters, they're so greedy, all they want is tax cuts, they want to cut the social safety net. But no, actually when it comes to ordinary people,

there's a lot of agreement, a lot of agreement. So I watched it and that driver voted for Trump, but that's why she was so disappointed. She didn't think that her Medicaid was going to get cut. And that's what happens when you

talk to people that are on the other side, and you find out what's happening. Since we're in a little bit of a hurry here, I want to go to the last clip here. If you're wondering why Ana went on Carlson's show, here's your answer. My feelings toward coming on your show went from I would never in a million years to kind of giving myself the opportunity to listen to your podcast to figure out who you really

are because of course I had very strong thoughts about who you are. Really? Yeah, but I realized that it was based on clips that I would watch of you that had gone viral and they had gone viral because they were offensive or you had said something that was- Viral like syphilis is viral. I mean, pretty much. I think that some of what you've been talking about lately hits at

the heart of what I care most about. And that's the importance of this country representing the American people, the importance of the United States being a sovereign country. Do you sincerely think that

anybody on either side of the aisle, just didn't exist, but whatever, left, right, wherever, could watch what you've said for the last almost two hours and come away angry? I mean, if you're Zionist, probably. This is the message that I want people who might feel angry to take away from me. I don't give a. That's it. That's got to be a meme, man. I did not expect her to end it that way.

That was the end of the interview. So yeah, and so by the way, some of those clips that were viral about Tucker are terrible, right? But what was interesting is in that interview, he said a couple of times, I wish I hadn't said some of

those things. Amazing what happens when you have a conversation, super last one. This is Anna talking about Trump's fake populism in front of Tucker Cross. I don't think that Trump has carried out his promises because of,

well, there's a lot of different examples I can cite, but the most recent is the so-called Big Beautiful bill. Yeah, there are some provisions in there, no tax on tips. It's gonna be means tested, and it also expires in four years, whereas the tax benefits that disproportionately benefit the wealthy are permanent. The no tax on the elderly or social security, that also will expire and it's up to a certain amount, I think it's like $6,000,

if I'm not mistaken. The child tax credit, I think, was just peanuts compared to what I think this country could afford in helping families. You want to encourage people to have kids? Okay, best way to do it is to

create an economic situation where couples feel comfortable bringing life into this world. I agree. And then no tax on overtime, that's another example. That's also means tested. And that's a provision that will expire in 2028. If you really wanna represent the working class, you gotta put your money where your mouth is. And I haven't really seen it to the extent that Trump claimed he was gonna help the working class in this country. Interesting. Yeah. How many people on the right knew that the tax on tips and overtime, that the relief on that is temporary, but the tax cuts for the wealthy are permanent?

Maybe a lot did and maybe some didn't and maybe somebody, some of those folks learned that today, right? So that's why I love the conversation overall. Last thoughts guys. Yeah, again, I think that if you can use that opportunity, if somebody like Anna can go in or

if Bernie Sanders did it or something like that. Even people I don't necessarily always agree with, occasionally like a booted judge will go on Fox News or whatever and use the opportunity for what it's worth or whatever.

I think that's great. I still think that Tucker Carlson is a horrible person. I think that he made himself what he wanted to be over the course of his career chasing an audience. He told them what he thought they wanted to hear.

I think that he also told that he didn't tell them stuff that he knew to be true, that he knew they wouldn't want to hear like about Donald Trump. He kept his true feelings about Donald Trump secret for years and then came out and

supported the guy right before the election. And so I worry, again, use him for whatever you can, but he's a guy that has said what he needs to to generate an audience for years. I don't know any reason to believe

that he stopped doing that when he left Fox News. And I think he has been, as was pointed out, he's viciously racist And I think he has been, as was pointed out, he's viciously racist. I think he's fairly anti-democratic. I think he's totally fine with

a much more explicitly Christian form of government. And so all of that remains incredibly problematic and needs to be fought. I think that he's potentially a very dangerous person. Like for instance, if he decided to

run for office, I think he's somebody that needs to be taken very seriously for those reasons. But that said, he is influential, he does have a big audience. And I think that Anna, I think the way she presented the argument was very well calibrated to get through to the people who would listen to him. Yeah, so I'm gonna say one thing that I don't know if people will find a controversial. I don't care about the arc of his career.

I care if he still has opinions that are problematic and that I'm gonna fight against, right? That I care a care about the arc of his career. I care if he still has opinions that are problematic and that I'm going to fight against, right? That I care a lot about. But if he got to here in a weird way or in a disingenuous way or in a wrong way, well, if he got to the point where he's

saying let's stop the genocide and let's release the Epstein files and the American people are getting screwed and we should relieve credit card debt. I don't really care how he got there. I care that that's what he's

telling his audience. I care that we agree on that and I would love to get those things done whether we're any of us on the right or left is going to get it done. It's a different matter. Why is last word?

Yeah, I mean, it's so much as I think Tucker like again, there's a lot of this guy has a massive audience. There are many Americans who agree with the dude's message, right? And I choose not to be like deathly afraid or completely repulsed by the existence of these people.

And all I would say is why Tucker Carlson is pretty dangerous is that I think an actual right wing populist message which is bigger government, social safety net for people, married with an insane xenophobic immigration policy, locked down the border, deport people. I think that would be massively popular. And I think that is pretty scary when you talk about Tucker Carlson

all that other stuff I don't really get too excited about. Yeah, actually I lied, I'm going to say one last thing. So I think that part of the reason why as was was talking, I realized part of the reason why I'm not as bothered by, hey, talking to people who don't agree

with you, is because I grew up Muslim in this country. If I eliminated everyone who had stereotypical ideas about Muslims in their heads, I'd be talking to the wall, right? So I lived in a situation where I was forced to talk to people who

had completely crazy ideas about Muslims my whole life, not everybody, not most people. But was there a ton of people who thought if I said to how dare you, you Islamaphobe, blah, blah, blah, I'd have eliminated at least 40% of the population, I don't know.

So to me, talking to someone who has wild crazy ideas, even about you, is Tuesday, so what? Then what happens? And then what I do usually with those folks is I get them to realize, my God, it turns out Muslims are human

beings. Okay, well, we made a little progress that day, okay? And that's how you make progress, by not sitting in your cave. Okay, well, we made a little progress that day, okay? And that's how you make progress, by not sitting in your cave. Okay, that's my opinion. All right, love you guys. Check out Damage Report every day,

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