The Young Turks - Part 13 TYT Live: Election Day 2020

Episode Date: November 4, 2020

Election Day Part 13: Cenk Uygur, Jayar Jackson, Brett Erlich, and Michael Shure TYT is Progressive Headquarters on Election Day. We’ll be tracking the presidential race between Donald Trump and Joe Biden and key progressive races around the country featuring a rotating panel of guests. Stay tuned for exit polls, state returns, down-ballot races, and more! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to the Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, back on a Young Turks post game, whole new crew, except me and Michael are still here. Michael's still driving that limo all night long. He's going to fill up his 12 hours just tonight. All right, Brett Ehrlich and J.R. Jackson, ladies and gentlemen.

Okay. Hey, how's everybody doing? All right, good to see you guys. I feel good. I just, I just want to say, Michael, you look like the chauffeur in a Mary Kate and Ashley movie. Like, you're going to take them to, you're going to, you're like, you're like, I will take you to Times Square, but no funny business. Like that's what it looks like.

Anyways, I think we all should be in. I've never seen one, but I like that. I know what you mean. Yeah, anyways, that's that. Nice to be on the show. Brett's background tripped me out even more than Michael's limo. There was a blue screen for a little while. There isn't anymore.

There's only a blue screen when you drink a beer and when you drink a beer and when you do a mermaid of you pops up, it's one of the most, it's one of the strangest things I've ever seen. What in the world is that? I don't know how. That's literally the strangest things I've ever seen. Okay, all right. So much nice. What's that, Michael? It's a much nicer limbo than mine is. With the mermaid, yes. Okay, before we do anything else. I want to start with something as simple as I want to go to JR first then

Brett what's your impression of tonight like coming in fresh what happened tonight from your perspective and how do you feel about it you first read of me no J.R you thought you first back in 2016 much of America was surprised astounded flabbergasted by the number of Americans who who were okay with bigot, a racist, sexist piece of garbage in the White House. And remember when Dave Chappelle and I forget the other comedian, I think it was Chris Rock, did that one SNL where they were the black folks who sat there and went, why are people surprised? And I guess it takes multiple, multiple, multiple cycles before the rest of the country comes to the realization.

No, just because we celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday, and just because we have a black history month, and just because there's some form of immigration that does allow certain folks to come in, there's a significant number of Americans that absolutely despise another significant number of Americans simply because of who they are. So when you see the stories, I was looking at some of these up just to see what some of the reactions were, because we're talking about some of the victories that progressives have had and the diversity of. of these wins. The Ilan Omar reconfirming her positioning, AOC, we have, as we mentioned, the first transgender woman to hold state, a state Senate seat, I believe. And I'm looking for the response in some of these places where you might find negative response, just to see if they've gone, oh, this is something different, or if they're back on the same thing. And it is absolutely the same thing. There's nothing about four years of a rabid racist being in office that turns people off to it. That's what they wanted.

Like, there's no surprise here. And, you know, I've always been on the who cares about polls only because who are they talking to? I don't know. I do know what I see for the past several years in our country. That's all the polls I need. Now, I wasn't going into it thinking, oh, man, I think Donald Trump's going to win. But I definitely didn't think that this was a a landslide type of moment. And I almost bought into a little bit just because I was looking at where polls were.

And I was like, I don't know that was it that we have our predictors thing that we did. I didn't want to do that because I was not going to be way off. I was like if there's anything but super close, it's going to be way off. But I almost bought into it too. But it's just the state of our country and it's a state of who we are. And I think you guys did mention this. It comes down to how do you convince enough people that what's in front of them is reality and not whatever some random guy tells you.

It gotta get into that brain space and I'm not sure where that is. Yeah, so guys, let me give you a couple more updates and then I want to go to Brett. So Montana's been called, Steve Danes retains a seat, Steve Bullock could not unseat him. So, oh boy, Republicans holding the Senate is becoming more and more likely. likely. So brace for impact on that. And then a couple of elections we weren't really following, but where there was some chance Democrats could win. Virginia's infamous fifth district, Bob Good, the Republican, has won. And Chip Roy, Texas 21st, has won as well. And that was Wendy Davis running against him. He seems to have won by about six and a half points as things stand now with 90s. 44% reporting, so we wish that one was closer, but it turns out it wasn't. Wendy Davis seems like a good candidate, but there's been a lot of losses now that she's had to endure. And one more piece of housekeeping here, and I'm going to update you

guys as soon as there's any material move in any of these presidential election swing state races. But the update I wanted to give you are the states that have not yet been called, because now there is not that many states not called. And electoral count as we stand. Joe Biden has 224. Donald Trump has 213. So Trump has already passed what I filled in in my pool to JR's point a minute ago. He's I had him at 203. He's already at 213. Okay. There's 101 remaining. And the states that are outstanding are Alaska, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Maine, North Carolina, and Georgia. So that's nine states left. Hawaii's been called. Joe Biden won Hawaii. So that got called immediately, apparently.

I'm going to bed. What's that? I'm going to bed then. Okay. Lucy Macbath has won re-election in Georgia's 6th congressional district. She's more of a conservative Democrat or moderate Democrat, depending on your definitions. But at least she kept a seat. Okay, so Brett, your initial impressions.

It's kind of we all who we thought they were. I look back on all the coverage that we did that said there would be this feeling early on that Trump was ahead and he would try to call it on election night. And then we would need time, we need to buy time to count votes and keep the machines on essentially. And keep the machine of the media from calling it for Trump. And it's 11, 12 p.m. on the West Coast and that's the position I'm in. in. Some things that are encouraging. Everybody in Atlanta has been sent home. Go home. We're not going to count these till today. Go dry off after the giant water main burst in Atlanta. And

they're going to come back tomorrow. I want a bunch of tanks around the cash of votes to make sure nothing happens to them. It's super suss that there was a giant water main that burst. But that happens, I guess. There's a lot of cities in America. And I think the reason that Georgia's where it is, Georgia that I picked to go for Trump, the reason where it is where it is because there's a couple million votes sitting in a vault somewhere, if not a million, but a bunch of votes sitting in a vault somewhere, getting ready to get counted and pretty blue the next day. Other than that, like my main takeaways are, I still am frustrated with the lack of a cohesive message from Democrats and a cohesive place for that.

message to come from. Then you look on the right and you see the Republicans and they've been able to kind of solidify not just around Fox News, but also around this well funded machine of micro targeting message bots essentially. Like that whole group of the Daily Caller, the Daily Wire, the Charlie Kirk's, the Dave Rubins, everybody that they're funding that at the beginning it's just full of BS, But essentially, they get to create this idea in a bunch of people's minds. And I just get this feeling that the Democrats, the Democratic Party is behind in that. The Cambridge Analytica, psychographic analysis, I just felt like there was a lot of targeted messaging that went exactly to the people that Facebook is capable of finding for you that are like, I'm a little on the fence.

You mentioned it earlier with a little pump, aka little pimp. Like, they're just trying to get it around the edges. And that's what the Republicans relied on last time. And then the final bit is just a lot of folks that were like, forget it. I might stay home with the Hillary Clinton thing. And the people who are like, I'll give it a shot last time with Donald Trump in 2016. Now we're like, oh, I'm giving it a shotgun blast this time. And the lack of an ability for Biden to put himself in a position that reads on television in America, which has become itself a visual medium, the lack of his ability, he had to be smart in a time of coronavirus. And he did all the smart things in the time of coronavirus. Trump was dumb in a time of coronavirus. But I think given the fact that not only is he a racist

and terrible person like you said earlier, but the fact that he had coronavirus after saying it was a hoax and a fraud and not a big deal. And that he tried to pass off like this idea that, oh, I'm just gonna, you know, you can get treated the way I did. That was October 1st. And he's come this far in a month. I'm still confident for Biden, but that really is my take on pretty much the whole night. Yeah, so much to say about that. First off, do we have, does anybody have any idea whether what I'll call the Atlanta's votes? That's funny, it's great.

Actually, whether the water burst affected, got on the ballots, or just affected the building, but the ballots are and not water locked. Do we know that? Have they said that? I haven't seen that, but I know, all I saw is that they called voting for the night. Not to mention that in Atlanta, or in, I say Atlanta, but in Georgia, they felt like they were confident that they were going to be able to call the results on election night for a lot of the races, but they were still going to do, they weren't going to have certification for like a week and a half. Yeah, all right, let me ask this. What do you, how worried are you guys that we're not going to count all the votes?

Not recount like in 2000, but actually count. The votes in Atlanta, the votes in Pennsylvania, the votes in Michigan. Oh my God, Michigan, oh my God, I mean, God knows what the militia is going to do in Michigan. So how does this play out? How do you guys think, you know, is it easy? No, we're counting all the votes. We don't care what the hell Trump says, what the militia says, et cetera. Or no, we're going to have real problems in counting these votes.

Well, in a weird way, if Biden wins Michigan and Wisconsin, it may weirdly be better if he loses Pennsylvania. because he still wins the presidency. And all the doubt that has been sown on this state where I am right now wouldn't matter because the president won it. I don't mean it that way because I don't want him to Biden to lose Pennsylvania. And I think that the bigger the margin, the better it is. But this is the place where they have lawyered up more than any of the other states in

discounting here in Pennsylvania. So if Biden can still win the presidency and lose Pennsylvania, does that not make it a little bit easier? That's totally illogical. I don't really mean it with my soul, but there's some sense of truth in it. That's not a crazy to me. I get it. I mean, no, it, I would agree with you if and only if Biden was trailing in the polls and somehow came out with a victory. But with Biden having Pennsylvania as compared to like the Ohio's as a as a steady lead in the polls. I think it's like no, no, no, the polls bore out and bared out or whatever in in neighboring Midwestern like white white collar towns. So or white blue collar towns. I don't know what your

problem is going along with like let's just count all the votes in Pennsylvania. That said, Mike Kelle, U.S. Representative Mike Kelly in Pennsylvania just filed a lawsuit in the state appellate court to block counties from allowing voters whose mail-in ballots were disqualified to vote by provisional ballots. So there, there's still many lawsuits getting filed, to Michael's point. I just don't, I don't see that playing out that way. But I do, I get like it would be, I understand it would be clean. It would just, it's, it's not as clean. And I, and to, talk about Michigan and counting it. Michigan's a frustrating state. It's one of those states where like it's gerrymandered within an inch of its life. The as to my recollection,

Michigan's one of the three states that got more more people cast votes for Democrats in their state legislative elections, but more Republicans got seats in both the House and the Senate. But wouldn't you know it? They have a Democratic governor. So right that'll all play out, but that's a very front. That's the one I'm more scared about than Philadelphia for some reason. But I still think that with Whitmer, I think they'll be able to count all the votes. Yeah, I agree with you there. You know, Brett, you know what's good for the Michigan goose. Don't do it. Give me a high five, but where on the high five do you live, Michael? Man, these Michigan jokes, you can roll with them all night long, but we won't.

Thank you. Okay. We can't afford to. Here, Michigan. Okay, I've heard your gross point out, and I'm done with it. Okay, so Georgia Gomez was a just Democrat. she's lost but don't feel bad too bad at least feel a little bad she lost to a fellow Democrats Sarah Jacobs in District 53 in California Sarah Jacobs is if I remember

correctly credibly wealthy yay and so Michael do you remember do any of you remember is she the one whose dad is a tycoon and has been trying to buy a congressional seat for a while? Yes. No, Jacobs, what district is it, Jack? 53. I don't know that. Okay, we'll look into it more. So that knocks off another JD, and right now, there'll be 10 in Congress for now.

Yeah. So I'll get back to you on Sarah Jacobs. Oh, I've got to read John Lee's letter. Okay, I'll do that as well. but let's keep going with nightmare scenarios. So I wanted to pick up on something that Brett said. So I think the fact that the Republicans either really like their base or are excellent at pretending to like their base, and that varies, right?

like McConnell he's not very good at pretending he likes anyone who isn't incredibly wealthy right he's boss hog everybody knows it but he does a good job of delivering anti-choice judges to his base right and he knows that that's go oh here's Trump's speaking so we got to let's go to it I want to thank the American people for their tremendous support millions and millions of voted for us tonight. And a very sad group of people is trying to disenfranchise that group of people. And we won't stand for it. We will not stand for it. I want to thank the first lady, my entire family, and Vice President Pence, Mrs. Pence, for being with us all through this. And we were getting ready for a big celebration.

We were winning everything, and all of a sudden it was just called off. The results tonight have been phenomenal, and we are getting ready. I mean, literally, we were just all set to get outside and just celebrate something that was so beautiful, so good. Such a vote, such a success. The citizens of this country have come out in record numbers. This is a record. There's never been anything like it to support our incredible movement. We won states that we weren't expected to win. Florida. We didn't win it. We won it by a lot. We won the great state of Ohio.

We won Texas. by 700,000 votes and they don't even include it in the tabulations. It's also clear that we have won Georgia. We're up by 2.5% or 117,000 votes with only 7% left. That's never going to catch us. They can't catch us. Likewise, we've clearly won North Carolina. where we're up 1.4% or 77,000 votes with only approximately 5% left. They can't catch us. We also, if you look and you see, Arizona, we have a lot of life in that. And somebody said, somebody declared that it was a victory for, and maybe it will be.

I mean, that's possible. But certainly there were a lot of votes out there that we could get. now just coming into what they call Trump territory. I don't know what you call it, but these were friendly Trump voters. And that could be overturned. The gentleman that called it, I watched tonight. He said, well, we think it's fairly unlikely that he could catch. Well, fairly unlikely.

And we don't even need it. We don't need that. That was just a state that if we would have gotten it, it would have been nice, Arizona. But there's a possibility, maybe even a good possibility. In fact, since I saw that originally, it's been changed, and the numbers have substantially come down just in a small amount of votes. So we want that, obviously, to stay in play. But most importantly, we're winning Pennsylvania by a tremendous amount of votes. Yeah.

We're up 600. Think of this. Think of this. Think of this. Think of this. We're up 690,000 votes in Pennsylvania. 690,000. These aren't even close. It's not like, oh, it's close. with

64% of the vote end it's going to be almost impossible to catch and we're coming into good Pennsylvania areas where they happen to like your president so we'll probably expand that

we're winning Michigan but I'll tell you I looked at the numbers I said whoa I looked I said wow that's a lot by almost 300,000 votes and 65% of the vote is in

and we're winning Wisconsin and I said we're winning we don't need all of them we need because when you add Texas in which wasn't added I spoke with the really wonderful governor of Texas

just a little while ago and Greg Abbott he said congratulations. He called me to congratulate me on winning Texas. I mean we won Texas I don't think they finished quite the tabulation, but there's no way. And it was almost complete, but he congratulated me. Then he said, by the way, what's going on? I've never seen anything like this.

Can I tell you what? Nobody has. So we won by 107,000 votes with 81% of the vote. That's Michigan. So when you take those three states in particular, and you take all of the others. What did he want out of this? We have so many. We had such a big night.

You just take a look at all of these states that we've won tonight. And then you take a look at the kind of margins that we've won by. And all of a sudden, it's not like we're up 12 votes and we have 60% left. We won states. And all of a sudden, I said, what happened to the election? It's off. And we have all these announcers saying, what happened? And then they said, oh, because you know what happened?

they knew they couldn't win. So they said let's go to court. And did I predict this, Newton? Did I say this? I've been saying this from the day I heard. They were to send out tens of millions of ballots. I said exactly

because either they were going to win or if they didn't win, they'll take us to court. So Florida was a tremendous victory. 377,000. Texas, as we say. Ohio no bad Ohio a tremendous state a big state I love Ohio we won by 8.1 percent

460 you actually did win Ohio we have to tell you every time once in a while when he says something that's true victory with North Carolina and so we won there he can't even do the thing they are afraid he's going to do 6,000 votes with almost nothing left. And all of a sudden, everything just stopped. This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country. You got that right.

We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. It's so pathetic because everybody already called out what he was going to do. Yeah. For the good of this nation, this is a very big moment. This is a major fraud in our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we'll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court.

We want all voting to stop. We don't want them to find any ballots at 4 o'clock in the morning and add them to the list. Okay? It's a very sad... Get them. arrest him. To me, this is a very sad moment. And we will win this. And as far as I'm concerned, we already have one. So I just want to thank you. And I want to thank all of our support. I want to thank all of the people that worked with us. And Mr. Vice President, say a few words, please. Please.

He's another in the room. I think that. Yeah, I know Malaya's in the room. We can't have him in the room without someone else. The Al-Qaeda or the president. I want to join you in thanking more than 60 million Americans who have already cast their vote for four more years for President Donald Trump from the White House. It's currently up by 2 million votes.

And while the votes continue to be counted, we're going to remain vigilant, as the President said. As the president said, the right to vote has been at the center of our democracy since the founding of this nation and we're going to protect the integrity of the vote. But I really believe with all of my heart, with the extraordinary margin to the president that you've inspired in the states that you just described and the way that you launched this movement across the country to make America great again, I truly do believe, as you do, that we are on the road to victory and we will make America great. again, again. This guy, everyone like this is in hell. Yeah, I just figured out why they have Pence up there. I'm like, why is Trump sharing the stage with Pence? He hates sharing the stage.

You guys want to know why? Yes. It's because he wanted to have a non-Trump, establishment Republican, go up on the stage and say, that's right, we are not stealing this election. We actually care about the vote. We're the ones protecting the vote. protecting the vote by making sure you don't count the vote. And so he trotted Pence out there

in like a kind of a hostage video to have him say this is legitimate what we're doing. And you could tell Pence, it was like, yes, sir, lick your boot one more time, sir. Yes, sir. And he kept this super short and then they got out of there. Okay, all right, take this guy off the screen. That's all Pence has ever been there for. Pence has always been there to be that white-haired Republican who speaks for a very long time, long enough for anchors and interviewers to say, okay, we're running out of time because he just keeps talking. And then says the same thing that Trump was saying just there. But instead says it with the background of, but since the beginning of our country,

we've been looking for the best way for our elections to be done in a fair and honest way. That has nothing to do with right now. There's nothing to do with what Donald Trump just said. That's due with you throwing it back to saying historically, we've always, we always strive to get the best thing and the most accurate results. Yeah, actually it's not true, but it's what we like to say. So it's it's a way to put some icing on this crap cake that he just dropped out there on the floor. Yeah, Jared.

Here's all the words that I'm trying not to say. No, Jerry, you're absolutely right. And I actually missed that. The legalese he used so that later he could say, well, I didn't do anything wrong, was Mike Pence said, historically, we've always counted the vote. And respect, he didn't even say count. I think he said respected the vote, right? So later he could say, well, I didn't say that we were not going to count. Trump said we weren't going to count.

I said we respect the vote. But it sounded like Pence was backing up Trump. So they must have had some good negotiations over that one. So there it is, guys. He did what we thought he was going to do. He said he wasn't going to do. Yeah, as Brett led this post game off with, he's who we thought he was. And so he said, they can't catch us.

He said, frankly, we did win this election. And he said, we want all the voting to stop, and we already have won it. None of it all made sense. Like all of those things completely contradicted each other. And more importantly, logic and reality. It's so frustrating because you and the three of us, we know what the strategy is. Is it Trump strategy? No, he didn't come up with it.

someone much smarter than him came up with it. And proof to that point I just made is that he doesn't even know how to execute it. He should, I mean, the things, if this were a movie, the actor, the nefarious actor would sound more like Pence does. And that's Pence's skill. And that's, I think, something very central to the Trump administration that they messed up on early that they kind of came around on later. Trump is the only dumb stumbler. At the beginning, they had a bunch of other dumb stumblers. They had Sean Spicer, who you could tell was bad at this. And then he realized that what he needed are the Bill Barr's. And he had the Mike Pence's, but he brought in people who could, like Bill Barr, who could sit there and in a very even keeled

manner carry out the deceit and do the double talk and seem like he's on your side when really everything he's doing is just fighting for an authoritarian figure. to head up the United States. When Trump comes out there and what he's trying to say is listen, it's very strange that at the last minute, the vote tabulation went completely haywire. We're going to get to the bottom of this. We're going to get our lawyers on it. And we're going to find out exactly what happened.

But instead, he says, he said things like, originally when we started counting, we were way up and then we counted more votes and we were less up and we're way down and we don't have all the vote and he said all he he poked all the holes in his own argument basically what he's saying is he is he is commentating election night like someone who doesn't understand how you score points in a basketball game it's like they started out with zero points how is it 45 to 3 now I don't know how that happened we got to look into this but we all know how the game is played we all know that they're counting votes. We've explained throughout the night where those votes are, where the question marks are. We point out that when it comes to us counting all the

votes, that's completely BS. A, because a lot of people, most people couldn't vote when America was founded because most people in America are women. And it took till 1920 for all people to be able to vote that were a voting age. So that's that's all BS. But when it comes down to it, I hope we need to call out all the frivolous lawsuits that are just anti-democratic, that are against what America as a country believes in, which is we get to decide. You don't get to decide, we do. Yeah, well, to your point, Brett, about not knowing the talking points, who's going to teach it to him? What are you going to write it down? He's not going to read it if you write it down. And so maybe they drew a cartoon. But how did he fumble the court one? He said,

I told you they'd be going to the courts. Newt. Didn't I say they'd be going to the courts? They knew it. And I'll tell you, this is an outrage. We're going straight to the Supreme Court. Yeah. Wait, what? You just like a minute ago said the Democrats are terrible for going to the courts. And then you turn around and said, I'm going to the courts. So look, guys. That's another thing that's dispiriting. I mean, as the night goes on and on and on, it's hard not to get depressed about the state of the country because this is not 2016 where, well, maybe some people or maybe even weirdly a lot of people missed who Donald Trump was. No, at this point, we know exactly who there's some bitch is. And not only did he win in some places, he had coattails in some places.

Now, at the end of the day, we think the numbers look like he's going to lose the election. And there's a lot of scenarios where he loses and basically like only one scenario where he wins. And that's so he's got, like I've been saying all along, he's got to sweep. So, but that's not the issue. The issue is that there's two issues. One, one is the long-term issue of how could, I don't know what the number is going to be. I don't even currently know what it is. Brett, maybe you do or J.R. you do, but it like 43, 45% of the country, whatever it is

for the popular vote, how could 45%? Right now, yeah, it's, it's for, the popular vote is 49.8%. Biden, 48.5% Trump. How could 48% put aside the racism, put aside everything else, we don't, but let's put it aside for a second. How could 48% of the country see this moron day in and day out? We can't believe they're going to the courts, I'm going to the courts. And go, yeah, that's my guy. And I'm with dummy.

I mean, you guys saw before the election, all the Trump flags on the cars. the cars. I'm sorry, but I literally told my kids, yeah, those flags mean I'm with dummy. And by the way, don't go anywhere near them. They're dangerous. And they're not dangerous because of potential violence, although that's also true. They're dangerous because they're detached from reality. They think, you know, me no like Democrats go to courts. Go to courts is bad. Me love Trump go to courts. Go to courts is good. Forty-half percent of the country is that dumb? Well, that's that's just in us voting now. Now this that 48% and a half cent of the country has at least tonight gone along with whatever he's

previously said. Now, not that I think this will happen this way, but now that we've had this the speech come out that he denied he would give, the one that was previewed beforehand on multiple publications to point out this is the plan. Because you know, let's let's keep it real. Posters work for campaigns. They pay a lot of money. In fact, the Trump campaign paid on paid much more money in this cycle for the internal pollsters than the Biden campaign has. So you think they didn't know all the possibilities? That's what they're paid to do. That's what you pay them tens of millions of dollars for to make sure that they know all the possibilities that you have the correct messaging on election night. This is their

only correct messaging at this point. So they look in a way the things are leaning. They're looking at how the election seems to be going. They're looking at everything that we know that we're talking about tonight, they know as well. They know the number of votes that are still yet to be kind to Pennsylvania. They know where things are leading. They know that they've already lost Arizona that he decided to point out and say maybe they still have a chance there too. They know all these things and they said this is our one card that we can play and we have to play it right now. If we played it any later, it's going to be too late.

If we played it too soon, then we're not close enough. We don't have those numbers the way we needed them. All this was planned. It's just a matter whether or not enough people will continue to buy it or at least give it enough legitimacy. I'm looking at Fox News website right now. Headline, Trump claims victory despite undecided states, hence the SCOTUS action. And in quotes, we won. But it's not just that he claimed victory.

Like Joe Biden came out and said, we look good right now. That's not we won, stop counting. That's I think we look good now. By the way, that's factual, right? But Trump didn't just say we look good and he didn't just say we look good and he didn't just say, we won. He said, quote, we want all the voting to stop. Yep. Okay, now first of all, what does that mean? That's already in exact and and not the way they probably drew it up, right? So if he wanted to obfuscate, what

he should have done is said, look, it's so important as Penn said, it's so important that the vote is paramount and sacrosanct in America. And I love that all these people voted and we've counted those votes. And I really want to make sure that there's no fraud here and that they don't count any votes that aren't real or that aren't legal, etc. Right. And then you go in and try to make sure you eliminate all the votes that are actually legal to try to win. That's how a sophisticated robbery goes on, right? But he's not sophisticated. He comes out and says, we want all voting to stop.

Of course you do. You're in the lead. Yeah. There's an episode of the office where Michael, like they go up by two points. He notices it. And then he fakes an injury and calls the game. I guess that's it. You guys are working on weekends.

That's what just happened. 100%. But is he winning? No. I mean right now. No, they haven't been called. No, no, J.R. They haven't been called.

Well, if you look right now, I'm looking at the battleground states on the show, on my website here. And it says that Minnesota, yes, Trump's down, but North Carolina trumps up 1.4, 95%. Georgia, he's up by three. Michigan, he's up by eight. Pennsylvania, he's up by 13 in Wisconsin. He's up by four. He's winning. That's it. It's over. It's nighttime. I'm sleepy. Aren't you sleepy? Let's just go to sleep. Everyone, please go to sleep so I can steal this thing while you're asleep. Yeah, and I mean, what is your level of confidence? Yeah, go ahead. It's really not much more sophisticated than that.

So with 68% of the vote reporting, it's like playing, it will continue with the sports analogy. It's like playing 68% of a football game and then one side comes out and goes, well, okay, now let's all stop playing football, which is almost exactly the equivalent of what Trump said. And the other team and the refs and the crowd has to be like, wait, what do you mean? There's like three minutes left in the third quarter. There's a whole fourth quarter we have to finish the third. What do you mean? Let's stop playing football. Like, yeah, no, I'm the winner.

Let's stop. And then they just walk off the field. What do you do with that? I mean, what do you do with the lunatic? Who says things like that? And I'll tell you what 48.5% of the country is going to do. God damn right. That's right, man.

You know, once you're up, you stop counting. That's true. That's how all dictators, I mean, democracies do it. Yeah, that's not a thing where you stop counting at 68%. But now, apparently, it is, and soon half the country will believe, of course, in a democracy, you definitely don't count all the votes. Now, of the people that have gone to sleep, are they going to wake up tomorrow to the headline that should dominate every website, every, you know, publication, newspaper,

Donald Trump, colon, stop counting, stop counting. That's all it should say, in big, bold words, the top of every page. Donald Trump, stop counting votes. Donald Trump, let's stop this election now. By the way, he said it on Twitter, too. To be fair to cable news, you know, they pointed out that's crazy. And Twitter even labeled it as not really true. And so, but there's a couple of different things here.

One is how does the media react? If the media goes along with it as they did in 2000, it's an epic disaster. Okay, so far that hasn't happened and given the antipathy there is not likely to happen. If he was an establishment Republican, it would be very likely to happen. Anyway, but then, okay, what happens in the actual counts? Is there any way that they can get the states to stop counting? Now, one of the ways is they have a lot of the state legislatures. So they send in their goons to pass a law saying, no, that's it.

Officially from now on in Michigan, obviously, the correct percentage reporting for an election is not 100% anymore. It is 68%. Once you reach 68%, everybody knows you stop counting. In fact, we just passed the law saying you must stop counting at 68%. I don't know, you think it's not possible? I think there's some chance. And they wouldn't necessarily be framed that way, but it'll be framed some way. They'll find the thinnest of reason that's all they need.

And more to your point, that is exactly, I mean, they don't need Roberts anymore because ACVs happening. But Roberts has said that. If your states deal with it in the state way, who am I to stop it? Now, Wisconsin, Michigan have Democratic governors. So does Pennsylvania. And Pennsylvania, okay. So I don't know how it does it, do they have to sign off on this? Or is it a rules vote? I don't know, does it come out of committee and is there a small?

I don't know exactly that process, but but that's what they're going to try to do. Yeah, so let's take Georgia. Georgia is super important to who who wins potentially, right? Well, Kemp is the guy who cheated by erasing voters from the rolls when he was Secretary of State so he could win the governor's race. You think that guy's going to have any principles or any reservations about stealing their life's prefer for Trump? They have the legislature and they have the governor. So at this point, even though Biden is favored to win Georgia, but that doesn't fact. factor in the stealing. So they the robbery is probably under, in process as we speak, in progress as we speak in Georgia. Now what they do in all the states that have

Republican legislatures, but Democratic governors, God help us. Yeah, and then I love that idea, sorry, go ahead, Jerry. I was just under that scenario, then we're talking about these Democratic governors, Republican control over the state in their own way, okay, since we're going doomsday, since you decided to pose this whole segment is that jank? Fine. What's our thought process or guarantee on whether or not these Democratic governors aren't going to say, well, let's do let the courts decide this. Yeah, you know, I mean, it is the state legislators. They are saying what they want to do. We talk about the weakness of Democrats that are in power. We talked about when

I think it was in North Carolina when the new governor came in and then the Republicans in the state in the state Congress just took over and stripped him of all of his power before he even got a chance to sit down in the governor's mansion. All this happens and then we talk about it and we get frustrated by it and then pointed out and call them hypocrites and then they go ahead and do it anyway. So again, all of this is part of the plan. They knew people would hear this ridiculous speech and say, this is crazy, you can't do that. They had a contingency plan for that too, then to say, well, no, I can do what I want.

You know why he says he can do it? That doesn't make any sense, by the way. Seems like such an elementary response. But what was his elementary response to where's your health care plan? It's right here on these blank pages. What was his response to, hey, COVID? Over 237,000 Americans have died. No, it's not that big of a deal.

To this wall that Mexico was going to build. Nope, it's being built. Shut up. To the swamp that you've drained. No, we've totally drained a swamp. Let's continue draining the swamp. every time a reporter breaks out something about, say, his tax returns that he's not filing or the numbers behind the money that he owes across the world to foreign entities, fake news.

The fact that there's one to two word answers to everything that's actually a big deal with this administration and they've just moved on. After people, by the way, all six those things that I point out, people were outraged. They said, oh my God, can you believe he said and did that? And afterwards, they went, okay, so on to the next? That's the expectation. He's a creature of habit. He's been the way his entire life.

He says something. People go, that's crazy, and he does it anyway. The more I think about it reflecting back in hindsight to the Pence portion of that speech, Pence was super uncomfortable. So I wonder if that's an indication of, at some point, other Republicans get uncomfortable, or if that's an indication of, who cares if they're uncomfortable? They're going to do it anyway. Here's, yeah, my version of the Michael scenario about maybe it's even better if when really it's not.

But identifying with that is, so then do you hope, like, so what do you want to corner them? I do, I don't care. But like, do you want to corner McCona? Like, it's going to be McConnell and Pence looking at each other going like, if we keep the Senate, we have a strategy for 50 years. I can handle two until we get the House back after we blame it on Biden. But I can't, I can't advocate for stopping this many votes in this many states. Florida, 400, a thousand votes maybe. But right now, he wants to, you know, Michigan, 69% nice,

with 3.7 million votes cast. That is precisely like a million votes. They just are going to to not count in one state with a harder path than the, than the Bush controlled Florida in 2000. Yeah. Are they gonna say that's gonna get too much blood on my hands? I, if we keep the Senate, I'm gonna be fine. I'll just wait two years and and I still have a ton of, which doing of procedural advantages, tactical procedural advantages at my disposal, which has been this, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the center and essence of Republican power over the last 12 years. Yeah. So first I want to tell you, one of the last things Donald Trump said on the campaign stunt was to the Pennsylvania governor, quote, we're watching you. So okay, that's out there.

Now I want to break down a couple of scenarios here. Scenario number one is Trump asked, to basically stop the count. And the only people who could do that are the governments of those individual states. We have to look into whether it is the legislatures, the governor, or if they have to agree, because almost all of them are split into Republican legislatures and Democratic governors, certainly Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and North Carolina, by the way. So do they listen to Trump? That scenario number one is yeah, they listen to Trump and they try to find a way to stop the count.

Scenario number two is they can't stop the count and it turns out Biden wins comfortably. Four points here, five points there, three points, two points, whatever it is, it's clear Biden is one. Then Trump sets up the excuse that it was stolen for the rest of his life, but he leaves. So he'll get to say, oh, it's a hoax, I should have been, I won, it's a la, I woulda, could or shoulda, it was me, they stole it from me, blah, blah, blah, right? Scenario number three is, it's, they do count, it's close, and that's when they bring it to the courts, which is the last step, and the courts go all the way up to the Supreme Court, and they're like, well, we have a precedent. If a Republican president, if a Republican candidate is leading, we make sure you don't count anymore. That's what we did in 2000. So now technically that was a recount.

So they theoretically had an excuse, which not really, but okay. In this case, if it's close enough, you know, if Trump's got a narrow lead, oh, forget about it. will definitely lose. They won't recount, they won't do it, they'll take it to the courts, they'll block it, they'll do anything they can. So if Biden has a narrow lead, then they'll recount and recount and recount

until Trump has a narrow lead and then they'll say no more recounts, right? Keep it real. So now we have to cross our fingers and hope that Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Georgia, are not that close so that they can't keep recounting until Trump has a lead in whichever state and then stop recounting at that point.

Once more headlines? Yes, I just figure I want to see where this is going to go because this is how it'll be assisted. This is, this is the process. So Steve Peoples on Twitter, he's the, he's the chief political reporter for the Associated Press. Washington AP, it's very official. Trump touts wins in key states says he will fight election in Supreme Court. Usually when you tout a win, you have to have it. So Tom Brady cannot tout the touchdown pass in the fourth quarter to Rob Grankowski in the corner of the end zone to win the game because it hasn't happened yet. He can hope, he can plan for it, he can scheme to make it happen. What you can't do is tout

that win before you've made that, before you've scored that touchdown. So you can tout it. Maybe you can claim it. I mean, it's obvious. This guy's a writer. Nobody writes something and doesn't know what they just wrote. I mean, you know, you may have a typo here and there because you're tweeting real fast on your phone. But you definitely don't confuse the word tout with claim or especially in this case falsely claim. It's actually the term this be going with this. It's well, it's put it this way. This tweet did not get sent out without thought because 99% of the responses are saying this is BS.

delete this. What's wrong with you? Tell us what really happened. We just saw with our own eyes. We're in the age of information. 2000, jank, they could have done this because there's not Twitter everywhere. There's not Facebook and then Instagram and everyone else and then people replaying it right back. Try to get something, because I've had to go through so much, so much political tape. Try to get a video of W. Bush saying anything we remember him saying. It's really not archived that well on the internet because that was, well, he came in in 2000, without no way. That was not the age of the internet, but it seemed like it wasn't that long ago. It was.

We're in the age now where things get played right back. So he needs more assistance. They need the reality to get changed right in front of us. So here's some things that are getting splattered on social media as fact. Touting wins in key states. He didn't win these key states. There's no winning when it's not over. None of that has to get said, though.

And then the call is in from the AP now, not just Fox, but Biden wins Arizona. That's actually great right after his speech. Okay, great. Right after his speech, the AP is like, all right, fine, we'll just call it then. All right, listen guys. I mean, that's not how they do it. They look at the actual numbers like the Foxxia you were talking about earlier. Yeah, yeah, of course not.

But that was part of the timing I was mentioning that he wants to get ahead enough and it maybe he's a little too close. You have to do it at the right time. Sorry. Okay, so first of all, Biden winning Arizona, this thing's almost done, okay? In my mind, I'd compartmentalize it as now Fox News doesn't count. Even though it's on our side, I still don't trust them enough. I'd be happy to get the win, but I actually wanted to be a real win.

I don't want it overturn, I don't want any of that nonsense, right? So I mean, look at how different we are than the other side. My God, if MSNBC called Pennsylvania for Trump, do you think he'd be like, nah, I don't know, it's MSNBC. Well, let me get another source here that confirms my win. No way, obviously, right? So, but back to J.R.'s point, I think political reporters don't understand how absurd they sound. And it's because they're in a group think where they all think, yeah, we don't have to actually tell people the truth. We just have to tell the two sides.

So because I'll use the sports analogy I go too often in this when the media does neutrality. If the Falcons in that Super Bowl where the Patriots came back in one in the second half, had come out and told the press, we've, at halftime, we've already won the Super Bowl. No sports writer would have written Falcons tout Super Bowl win. They would have written Falcons lost their goddamn minds, thought the game was over at halftime, right? But in political reporting, no, that's it. A politician says it. They tout it.

And I write it down like a fucking moron. I don't think we're on live linear anymore so I can say it. Right? It's both game. So I write it down like a moron. Trump wins at halftime. Or no, not to be fair, not Trump was, Trump says he wins at halftime.

Congratulations to Trump. Oh, for God's sake. Right. So our media when it comes to politics is totally broken. Look, we gotta take a quick break here, but when I, when we, I know it's a post here, we don't normally take breaks, but we also don't normally do a two hour post game. Okay, so we're gonna take a really short break here. When I come back, I wanna tell you what the Arizona win means for the rest of the electoral

map, and so we're almost home now guys, okay? And I'll break it down for you when we come back. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. Support our work, listen to ad-free, access members-only bonus content, and more by subscribing to Apple Podcasts at apple.com slash t-y-t. I'm your host, Shank Huger, and I'll see you soon.