The Young Turks - Part 2: Final Presidential Debate

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

Part 2: Ana Kasparian, Ben Dixon, Michael Shure and Cenk Uygur host The Young Turks coverage of the final presidential debate. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There have, of course, President Trump has said that they should pay for, not being fully transparent in regards to the coronavirus. If you were president, would you make China pay? And please be specific, what would that look like? What I'd make China do is play by the international rules, not like he has done. He has caused the deficit of China to go up, not down, with China, up, not down. We are making sure that in order to do business in China, you have to give all your intellectual property. You have to have a partner in China.

It's 51%. We would not do that at all. number one. Number two, we're in a situation where China would have to play by the rules internationally as well. When I met with Xi and when I was still vice president, he said we're setting up air identification zones in the South China Sea. You can't fly through them. I said, we're going to fly through them. We just flew B-52, B-1 bombers through it. We're not going to pay attention. They have to play by the rules. And what's he do? He embraces guys like the thugs like in North Korea and the Chinese president and Putin and others. And he pokes his finger now all of our friends, all of our allies.

We make up only, we're 25% of the world's economy. We need to be having the rest of our friends with us saying to China, these are the rules. You play by them or you're going to pay the price for not paying by them economically. That's the way I will run it. And that's what we did, and upholding steel tariffs and a range of other things when we were president and vice president. All right. Let's talk about North Korea. Excuse me, no, I have to respond to that. Okay, very quickly. And then we're going to respond to that. $1.5.5 from China to talk after spending 10 minutes in office and being in Air Force 2, number one.

Number two, there's a very strong email talking about your family wanting to make $10 million a year for introductions. President Trump, on China policy, though. What specifically are you going to do? What specifically are you going to do to make China pay? You've said you're going to pay. China is paying. They're paying billions and billions of dollars. I just gave $28 billion. I just gave $28 billion to our farmers.

Taxpayers money. It's what? Taxpayers money. Didn't come from China. You know the taxpayer is it's called China. China paid $28 billion. You know what they did to pay it to? They devalued their currency and they also paid up.

And you know who got the money? Our farmers, our great farmers, because they would target. You never charged them anything. Also, I charged them 25% on dumped steel because they were killing our steel industry. We were not going to have a steel industry. And now we have a steel industry. Okay. Vice President

Biden, your response, please. Our response is, look, this isn't about there's a reason why he's bringing up all this malarkey. There's a reason for it. He doesn't want to talk about the substance of issues. It's not about his family and my family. It's about your family.

And your family's hurting badly. If you're making less than, if you're a middle class family, you're getting hurt badly right now. You're sitting at the kitchen table this morning deciding, well, we can't get new tires, they're bald because we have to wait another month or so. Or are we going to be able to pay the mortgage? Or who's going to tell her she can't go back to community college? They're the decisions you're making. And the middle class families like I grew up in Scranton and Claymont.

They're in trouble. We should be talking about your families, but that's the last thing he wants to talk about. I want to talk about North Korea. I didn't want to turn to 10 seconds, Mr. President. That's a typical political statement. Let's get off this China thing and then he looks, the family, around the table, everything. Just a typical politician when I see that. I'm not a difficult politician.

That's why I got elected. Let's talk. Let's get off the subject of China. Let's talk around sitting around the table. Come on, Joe, you can do better. We're going to talk about North Korea now. President Trump, you've met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un three times. You've talked about your beautiful letters with him.

him, you've touted the fact that there hasn't been a war or a long-range missile test. And yet North Korea recently rolled out its biggest ever intercontinental ballistic missile and continues to develop its nuclear arsenal. Do you see that as a betrayal of the relationship you forged just 30 seconds here because we need to get on to the next? So when I met with Barack Obama, we sat in the White House, right at the beginning, had a great conversation. It was supposed to be 15 minutes and it was well over an hour. He said the biggest problem we have with North is North Korea. He indicated we will be in a war with North Korea.

Guess what? It would be a nuclear war. And he does have plenty of nuclear capability. In the meantime, I have a very good relationship with him. Different kind of a guy, but he probably thinks the same thing about me. We have a different kind of a relationship. We have a very good relationship, and there's no war. And, you know, about two months ago, he broke into a certain area.

They said, oh, there's going to be trouble. I said, no, they're not. Because he's not going to do that. And I was right. Look, instead of being in a war where millions of people sold, you know, is 25 miles away, millions and millions, 32 million people and so millions of people would be dead right now. President Trump, that's 30 seconds. Thank you.

Vice President Biden, to you, North Korea conducted for nuclear tests under the Obama administration. Why do you think you would be able to reign in this persistent threat? Because I'd make it clear, which we were making clear to China. He wouldn't. Let's just move on. Because here's the race. I made it clear, as a spokesperson of the administration, when I went to China, that they said, why are you moving your missile defense up so close?

Why are you moving more forces here? Why you continue to do military maneuvers with South Korea? I said, because North Korea is a problem, and we're going to continue to do it so we can control them. We're going to make sure we can control them and make sure they cannot hurt us. And so if you want to do something about it, step up and help. If not, it's going to continue. What has he done? He's legitimized North Korea. He's talked about his good buddy, who's a thug, a thug, and he talks about how we're better off. And they have much more capable missiles, able to reach U.S. territory much more easily than ever did before.

Let me follow up with you, Vice President Biden. You've said you wouldn't meet with Kim Jong-un without preconditions. Are there any conditions under which you would meet with him? On the condition that he would agree that he would be drawing down his nuclear capacity to get that the Korean financial should be new. Free Zone. All right. Let's move on to American families. They tried to meet with him. They tried to meet with him.

He wouldn't do it. He didn't like Obama. He didn't like it. He wouldn't do it. Okay. They tried. He wouldn't do it. And that's okay.

You know what? Because he couldn't manipulate him the way he manipulated you. You look freaking loud. Having a good relationship with leaders of other countries is a good thing. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions to get to. with Hitler before he, in fact, invaded Europe, the rest of Europe. Come on.

Come on. The reason he would not meet with the President Obama is because President Obama said, we're going to talk about denuclearization. We're not going to legitimize you. We're going to continue to put stronger and stronger sanctions on you. That's why he wouldn't meet with us. All right. And it didn't happen. Excuse me.

He left me a mess, Kristen. President Trump, okay. They left me a mess. North Korea was a mess. And in fact, if you remember the first two or three months, there was a very dangerous period of my first three months before we sort of worked things out a little bit. They left us a mess. And Obama would be, I think, the first to say, it was the single biggest problem he thought that our country. Okay, let's move on to American families and the economy.

One of the issues that's most important to them is health care, as you both know. Today there was a key vote on a new Supreme Court Justice, Amy Coney-Barrant, and health care is at the center of her confirmation fight. Over 20 million Americans get their health insurance through the Affordable Care Act. It's headed to the Supreme Court, and your administration, Mr. President, is advocating for the court to overturn it. If the Supreme Court does overturn that law, those 20 million Americans could lose their health insurance almost overnight. So what would you do if those people have their health insurance taken away? You have two minutes uninterrupted. First of all, I've already done something that nobody thought was possible.

Through the legislature, I terminated the individual mandate. That is the worst part of Obamacare, as we call it. The individual mandate where you have to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to pay for bad health insurance. I terminated, it's gone. Now it's in court because Obamacare is no good. But then I made a decision, run it as well as you can to my people, great people. Run it as well as you can. the other route and made everybody very unhappy. They ran it. Premiums are down, everything's

down. Here's the problem. No matter how well you run it, it's no good. What we'd like to do is terminate it. We have the individual mandate done. I don't know that it's going to work. If we don't win, we'll have to run it and we'll have Obamacare, but it'll be better run. But it no longer is Obamacare because without the individual mandate, it's much different. Pre-existing conditions will always stay. What I would like to do is a much better health care, much better, will always protect people with preexisting. So I'd like to terminate Obamacare, come up with a brand new, beautiful health care. The Democrats will do it because there'll be tremendous pressure on them, and we might even have the House by that time. And I think we're

going to win the House, okay? You'll see, but I think we're going to win the House. But come up with a better health care, always protect people with preexisting conditions. And one thing very important, We have 180 million people out there that have great private health care, far more than we're talking about with Obamacare. Joe Biden is going to terminate all of those policies. These are people that love their health care. People that have been successful, middle income people, been successful. They have 180 million plans, 180 million people, families. Under what he wants to do, which will basically be socialized medicine, he won't even have a choice,

They want to terminate an 180 million plans. We have done an incredible job on health care, and we're going to do even... You've done nothing! Okay, Vice President Biden, yes, this is for you. Your health care plan calls for building on Obamacare. So my question is, what is your plan if the law is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court? You have two minutes uninterrupted. What I'm going to do is pass Obamacare with a public option, become Biden care.

The public option is an option that says that if you, in fact, you, in fact, you, fact, do not have the wherewithal to be, if you qualify for Medicaid and you do not have the wherewithal, then your state to get Medicaid, you automatically are enrolled, providing competition for insurance companies. That's what's going to happen. Secondly, we're going to make sure we reduce the premiums and reduce drug prices by making sure that there's competition that doesn't exist now by allowing the Medicare to negotiate drug prices with the insurance companies. Thirdly, the idea that I want to eliminate private insurance, the reason why I had such a fight with 20 candidates for their nomination was, I support private insurance. That's why I did not one single person of private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan, nor did they under Obamacare.

They did not lose their insurance unless they chose they wanted to go to something else. Lastly, we're going to make sure we're in a situation that we actually protect pre-existing. There's no way he can protect pre-existing conditions. None, zero. You can't do it in the ether. He's been talking about this for a long time. There is no, he's never come up with a plan. I guess we're going to get the pre-existing condition plan the same time we get the infrastructure plan that we've waited since 17, 18, 19, and 20.

The fact, I still have a few more minutes. I know you're getting anxious. The fact is that he's already cost the American people because of this terrible handling of the COVID virus and the economic spillover. 10 million people have lost their private insurance. And he wants to take away 22 million more people who have it under Obamacare and over 110 million people with preexisting conditions. And all the people from COVID are going to have preexisting conditions. What are they going to do? I have a follow up for you, Vice President Biden.

It relates to something that President Trump said. accusing you of wanting socialized medicine. What do you say to people who have concerns that your health care plan, which includes a government insurance option, takes the country one step closer to a health care system run entirely by the government? What's your response to them? I say it's ridiculous. It's like saying that, you know, I say it's, no, I say it's awesome. The fact that there's a public option that people can choose, that makes it a socialist plan. Look, the difference between the president, I think health care is not a privilege, it's a right. Everyone should have the right to have affordable health care. And I am very proud of my plan. It's gotten endorsed by

all the major labor unions as well as a whole range of other people who, in fact, are concerned in the medical field. This is something that's going to save people's lives, and this is going to give some people an opportunity, an opportunity to have health care for their children. How many of you home are worried and rolling around in bed tonight wondering what in God's name you're going to do if you get sick? Because you've lost your home insurance, your health insurance, your company's gone under. We have to provide health insurance for people and an affordable rate, and that's what I do. President Trump, he was there for 47 years. He didn't do it. He was now there as vice president for eight years, and it's not like it was 25 years ago. It was

three and three years. It was just a little while ago, right? Less than four years ago. He didn't do anything. He didn't do it. He wants socialized medicine, and it's not that he wants his vice president. I mean, she is more liberal than Bernie Sanders and wants it even more. Bernie Sanders wants it. The Democrats want it. You're going to have socialized medicine. Just like he went with fracking. We're not going to have fracking. We're going to stop fracking. We're going to stop fracking. Then he goes to Pennsylvania after he gets a nomination where he got very lucky to get it. And he goes to Pennsylvania and he says, oh, we're going to have fracking. And you never asked that question. And by the way, so far, I respect very much the way you're handling this.

But somebody should ask the question. You can ask. He goes for a year, there will be no fracking. We have a number of, we have a number of topics. No, no, but that's a big question. We're going to get to, we're going to get to the same thing with socialized. I have the Vice President, your response, please. My response is people deserve to have affordable health care, period, period, period, period, period, period.

That's what they do. That's what they deserve. Right. Lower premiums, what we're going to do is going to cost some money. It's going to cost over $750 billion over 10 years to. do it. And they're going to have lower premiums. You can buy into the better plans, the cheaper plans, lower your premiums, deal with unexpected billing, and have your drug prices drop significantly. He keeps talking about it. He hasn't done a thing for anybody on health care,

not a thing. Very quickly. Then I want to talk about what happened on Capitol Hill. He's talking about socialized medicine, and health care. When he talks about a public option, he's talking about destroying your Medicare, totally destroyed, and destroying your Social Security. And this whole country will come down. You know, Bernie Sanders tried it in his state. He tried it in his state. His governor was a very liberal governor. They wanted to make it work. Okay. Let's hear it was impossible. It doesn't work. Vice President Biden. He's a very confused guy. He thinks he's running against somebody else. He's running against Joe Biden. I beat all those other people because I disagreed with them. Joe Biden he's running against. And the idea that we're

situation that they're going to destroy Medicare. This is the guy that the actuary Medicare said, if in fact, at Social Security, if in fact he continues to withhold, his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security, Social Security will be bankrupt in by 2023 with no way to make up for it. This is the guy who's tried to cut Medicare. So I don't know, I mean, the idea that Donald Trump Is lecturing me on Social Security and Medicare? Come on. Come on. Come on. He tried to get rid of him. He tried to hurt Social Security years ago, years ago. Go back and look at the records. He tried to hurt Social Security years ago. All right. Let's move on. I'm going to move on.

Let me, Mr. President, I have to move on to the next question. They said the stock market will boom if I'm elected. If he's elected, the stock market will crash. Okay. Let's move on to the next question. Very quickly. Look, the idea that the idea that. the stock market is booming. This is his only measure of what's happening. Where I come from in Scranton and Claymont, that people don't live off of the stock market,

just in the last three years during this crisis, the billionaires in this country made, according to Wall Street, $700 billion more dollars, $700 billion more dollars, because that's his only measure. What happens to the ordinary people out there? What happens to them?

Let's talk about what's happening on Capitol Hill. We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. All right. And he doesn't come from Scranton. That's like one of the, he lived there for a short period of time.

Where do you come from, Trump? Where do you come from? Let me move on to my next question, gentlemen. As of tonight, more than 12 million people are out of work. And as of tonight, eight million more Americans have fallen into poverty and more families are going hungry every day. Those hit hardest are women and people of color. They see Washington fighting over a relief. over a relief bill. Mr. President, why haven't you been able to get them the help they need 30 seconds

here? Because Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to approve it. I do. But you're the president. I do, but I still have to get. Unfortunately, that's one of the reasons I think we're going to take over the House because of her. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to approve anything because she'd love to have some victories on a date called November 3rd. Nancy Pelosi does not want to approve it. We are ready, willing, and able to do something. Don't forget, we've already approved three plans, and it's gone through, including the Democrats and all friends. This one she doesn't want. It's near the election because she thinks it helps her politically.

I think it hurts her politically. All right, Mr. Vice President, the Republican leader in the United States Senate said he can't pass it. He will not be able to pass it. He does not have Republican votes. Why ain't he talking to his Republican friends? Let me follow up with you, Vice President. We made a deal. Let me ask Vice President Biden a question.

You are the leader of the Democratic Party. Why have you not pushed the Democrats to get a deal for the American people? Well, I have, and they have pushed it. Look, they passed this act all the way back in the beginning of the summer. This is like it's not new. It's been out there. This Heroes Act has been sitting there. And look at what's happening.

When I was in charge of the Recovery Act with $800 billion, I was able to get $145 billion to local communities that have to balance their budgets in states that have to balance the budget. so then have to fire fire firefighters, teachers, first responders, law enforcement officers so they can keep their cities and counties running. He will not support that. They have not done a thing for them. And Ms. McConnell said, let him go bankrupt. Let him go bankrupt. Come on. What's the matter? Bill that was passed in the House was a bailout of badly run, high crime, Democrat, all run by Democrats, cities and states. It was a way of,

of getting a lot of money, billions and billions of dollars to these cases. It was also a way of getting a lot of money from our people's pockets to people that come into our country illegally. We were going to take care of everything for them. And what that does, and I'd love to do that, I'd love to help them. But what that does, everybody all over the world will start pouring into our country. We can't do it. This was a way of taking care of them. This was a way of spending on things that had nothing to do with COVID, as per your question. But it was really a big bailout for badly run Democrats, cities, and states.

If I get elected, I'm not going to, I'm running as a proud Democrat, but I'm going to be an American president. I don't see red states and blue states. What I see is American, United States. And folks, every single state out there finds themselves in trouble. They're going to start laying off, whether they're red or blue, cops, firefighters, first responders, teachers, because they have to balance their budget.

And the founders were smart. They allowed the federal government to deficit spending. to compensate for the United States of America. I want to talk about the minimum wage, gentlemen. Mr. Vice President, we are talking a lot about struggling small businesses and business owners these days. Do you think this is the right time to ask them to raise the minimum wage? You, of course, support a $15 federal minimum wage. I do, because I think one of the things we're going to have to do is we're going to have to bail them out too.

We should be bailing them out now, those small businesses. You've got one and six of them going under. They're not going to be able to make it back. They passed a package that allows us to be able to call PPP. Money is supposed to go to help them do everything from organize how they can deal with their business as being open safely. Schools, how they can make classrooms smaller, how they can hire more teachers, how they can put ventilation systems in. They need the help. The businesses as well as the schools need the help.

But these guys will not help them. It's not giving them any of the money. We are going to move on to immigration. He said, we have to help our small businesses by raising the minimum wage. That's not helping. I think it should be a state option. Alabama is different than New York. New York is different from Vermont.

Every state is different. It should be a state option. You said very recently. It's very important. We have to help our small businesses. How are you helping your small businesses when you're forcing wages? What's going to happen and what's been proven to happen is when you do that, these small businesses fire many of their employees. You said very recently you would consider raising the federal money.

How about subsidizing small businesses so they can pay $15 an hour, which I think actually raising the federal money to waste $15 an hour? What I really like, and I would consider it to an extent. But what I really like in a second administration, but not to a level that's going to put all these businesses out of business. It should be a state option. Look, I live in different places. I know different places.

They're all different. Some places, $15 is not so bad. In other places, other states, $15. Okay, President Trump, thank you. Quick response, Vice President Biden. Two jobs, one job, be below poverty. People are making six, seven, eight bucks an hour. These first responders, we all clap for as they come down the street because they've allowed us to make it. What's happening?

They deserve a minimum wage of $15. Anything below that, put you below the poverty level. And there is no evidence that when you raise the minimum wage, businesses go out of business. That is simply not true. We're going to talk about immigration. We're going to talk about immigration now, gentlemen, and we're going to talk about families within this context. Mr. President, your administration separated children from their parents at the border, at least 4,000 kids. You've since reversed your zero-tolerance policy, but the United States can't locate the parents of more than 500 children.

So how will these families ever be reunited? Her children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels, and they're brought here. and they used to use them to get into our country. We now have as strong a border as we've ever had. We're over 400 miles of brand new wall. You see the numbers, and we let people in, but they have to come in legally, and they come in through murder. But how will you reunite these kids with their families, Mr. President?

They built cages. You know, they used to say, I built the cages. And then they had a picture in a certain newspaper. And it was a picture of these horrible cages. And they said, look at these cages. President Trump built them. And then it was determined. built in 2014. That was him.

Do you have a plan to reunite the kids? Yes, we're working on it very, we're trying very hard. But a lot of these kids come out without the parents. They come over through cartels and through coyotes and through gangs. Vice President Biden, let me bring you into this conversation. Quick response. And you'll separate them from their parents once they get to the border with their parents. Came with parents. They separated the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with. Bay real tough. We're really strong. And guess what? They cannot, it's not coyotes didn't bring them over. Their parents were with them. They got separated from their parents. And it makes us a laughing stock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation. Let me ask you a follow question. They did it. We changed it. We changed. We changed. We did not. They built the cages. Who built the cages, Joe? Let's talk about what we're talking about. Let's talk about what we're talking about. What happened? Parents were ripped, their kids were ripped from their arms and separated.

And now they cannot find over 500 of sets of those parents and those kids are alone. Nowhere to go. Yep. No one go. It's criminal. It's criminal. Let me ask you about it. They went down, we brought reporters, everything. They are so well taken care of. They're in facilities that were so clean. But some of them haven't been reunited with family. But just ask one question, who built the cages?

I'd love you to ask of that. Who built the cages? Let me ask about your immigration policy, Mr. Vice President. The Obama administration did fail to deliver immigration reform, which had been a key promise during the administration. It also presided over record deportations as well as family detentions at the border before changing course. So why should voters trust you with an immigration overhaul now? Because it made a mistake.

It took too long to get it right. It took too long to get it right. I'll be president of the United States, not vice president of the United States. And the fact is, I made it very clear. Within a hundred days, I'm going to send to the United States Congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people. And all of those so-called dreamers, those DACA kids, they're going to be immediately certified again to be able to stay in this country and put on a path to citizenship. The idea that they are being sent home by this guy, and they want to do that, is, They've gone to a country they've never seen before.

I can imagine you're five years old. Your parents are taking across the Rio Grande River, and it's illegal. And you say, oh, no, mom, leave me here. I'm not going to go with you. They've been here. Many of them are models. Over 20,000 of them are first responders out there taking care of people during this crisis. We owe them.

President, he had eight years to do what he said he was going to do. And I've changed without having a specific, we got rid of catch and release, we got rid of a lot of horrible things that they put in and that they lived with. But he had eight years he was vice president. He did nothing except build cages to keep children in. Vice President, your response. The catch and release, you know what he's talking about there? If in fact you had a family came across and they were arrested, they in fact were given a date to show. up for their hearing. They were released. And guess what? They showed up for a hearing. This is the

first president in history of the United States America. There's anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country. That's never happened before in America. That's never happened before in America. You come to the United States and you make your case that I seek asylum based on the following on the following premise, why I deserve it under American law. They're sitting in squalor on the other side of the river. President Trump, your response. So important. It just shows that he has

no understanding of immigration of the laws. Catch and release is a disaster. A murderer would come in, a rapist would come in, a very bad person would come in, we would take their name. We have to release them into our country.

And then you say they come back. Less than 1% of the people come back. We have to send ICE out and border patrol out to find them. We would say come back in two years, three years, we're going to give you a court case. You need Perry Mason. We're going to give you a court case. When you say they come back, they don't come back, Joe. They never come back. Only the really, I hate to say this, but those with the lowest IQ, they might come back. Okay, President Trump, let's give Vice President

Biden a chance to respond, and then we're going to move on to the next section. You don't know the law, Joe. Vice President Biden, your response. Know the law where he's telling me it was simply not true. Well, check it out. They don't come back. Check it out. All right. Let's move on to the next section. But we don't have to worry about it because they terminated it. So we don't have to worry about it. Let's move on to the next section. And you have 525 kids not knowing where in God's name they're going to be and lost their parents. Good. All right. Let's talk about our next section, which is race in America.

And I want to talk about the way black and brown Americans experience race in this country. Part of that experience is something called the talk. It happens regardless of class and income. Parents who feel they have no choice but to prepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted, including by the police, for no reason other than the color of their skin. Mr. Vice President, in the next two minutes, I want you to speak directly to these families. Do you understand why these parents fear for their children? I do. I do. You know, my daughter is a social worker, and she's all, she's written a lot about this. She's a graduate degree from the University of Pennsylvania and social work.

And you know, one of the reasons why I ended up working on the east side of Wilmington, Delaware, which is 90% African-American, was to learn more about what was going on. I never had to tell my daughter, if she's pulled over, make sure she puts for a traffic stop, put both hands on top of the wheel, and don't reach for the glove box because someone may shoot you. But a black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child. when you're walking down the street, don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street, making sure that you, in fact, if you get pulled over, yes, yes, sir, no, sir, hands on top of the wheel because you are, in fact, the victim, whether you're a person making a 300,000 child of a $300,000 every year person or someone who's on food stamps. The fact of the matter is, there is institutional racism in America.

And we have always said, we've never lived up to it, that we hold that. these truths to be self-evident. All men and women are created equal. Well, guess what? We have never, ever lived up to it, but we've always constantly been moving the needle further and further to inclusion, not exclusion. This is the first president to come along

and says, that's the end of that. We're not going to do that anymore. We have to provide for economic opportunity, better education, better health care, better access to schooling, better access to opportunity to borrow money to start businesses. All the things we can do,

and I've laid out a clear plan as to how to do those things, just to give people a shot. It's about accumulating the ability to have wealth as well as it is to be free from violence. President Trump, same question to you, and let me remind you of the question. I would like you to speak directly to these families. Do you understand why these parents fear for their children? Yes, I do. And again, he's been in government 47 years. He never did a thing, except in 1994, when he did such.

harm to the black community and they were called and he called them super predators and he said that he said it super predators and they can never live that down 1994 your crime bill the super predators nobody has done more for the black community than Donald Trump and if you look with the exception of Abraham Lincoln possible exception but the exception of Abraham Lincoln nobody has done what I've done criminal justice reform Obama and Joe didn't do it

I don't even think they tried because they had no chance at doing it they might have wanted to do it but if you had to see the arms I had a twist to get that done it was not a pretty picture and everybody knows it including some very liberal people that cried in my office they cried in the Oval Office

two weeks later they're out saying gee we have to defeat him criminal justice reform prison reform Opportunity Zones with Tim Scott, a great senator from South Carolina. He came in with this incredible idea for Opportunity Zones. It's one of the most successful programs. Rich developers, destroying rent-controlled buildings to build luxury condos. FU and your stupid Opportunity Zones.

I don't even give a crap what he has to say about this. Trash. After three years of coming to the office, I love some of those guys that were great. They came into the office. Trash. And they said, I said, what are you doing? After three years, I said, why do you keep coming back? Because we have no funding.

I said, you don't have to come back every year. We have to come back. Because President Obama would never give them long-term funding. And I did. Ten-year, long-term funding, and I gave them more money than they asked. I said, I think you need money. And I said, the only bad part about this is I may never see you again, because I got very friendly with them.

And they like me and I like them. But I saved it. Colleges and Universes. Okay. And we're going to talk about both of your records, but your response to that, Vice Chair. My response to that is I never, ever said what he accused me of saying. The fact of the matter is, in 2000, though, after the crime bill had been in the law for a while, this is the guy who said, the problem with the crime bill, there's not enough people in jail.

There's not enough people in jail. And go on my website, get the quote, the date when he said it, not enough people. He talked about marauding gangs, young gangs, and the people who are going to maraud our cities. This is a guy who in the Central Park 5, 5 innocent black kids, he continued to push for making sure that they got the death penalty. None of them were, none of them were guilty of what the crimes they were suggested. Look, and talk about he, granted, he did in fact let 20 people, he commuted 20 people sentences. We committed over 1,000 people's sentences, over 1,000. The very law he's talking about is a law that, in fact, initiated by Barack Obama.

And secondly, we're in a situation here where the federal prison system was reduced by 38,000 people under our administration. And one of these things we should be doing, there should be no, no minimum mandatories in the law. That's why I'm offering $20 billion of states to change their state laws to eliminate minimum mandatories and set up drug courts. No one should be going to jail because they have a drug problem. They should be going to rehabilitation, not to jail. We should fundamentally change the system, and that's what I'm going to do. But why didn't he do it four years ago? Why didn't you do that?

Four years ago, even less than that, why didn't you? I am not. You're vice president. You keep talking about all these things you're going to do and you're going to do this. But you were there just a short time ago, and you guys did nothing. We did. You know, Joe, I ran because of you. What are you doing now?

You're doing nothing. You're helping your crime. Because you did a poor job. If I thought you did a good job, I would have never run. I would have never run. I ran because of you. I'm looking at you now. You're a politician. I ran because of you. All right, Vice President Biden, your response to that? And then I do have some questions for both of you. Well, I tell you what, I hope he does look at me because what's happening here is, you know who I am. You know who he is. You know his character. You know my character. You know our reputations for honor and telling the truth. I am anxious to have this race. I am anxious to see this take place. I am the character of the country is on the ballot. Our character is on the ballot.

Look at us closely. Let me ask some follow. Excuse me. Please respond. And then we're going to have follow-up. It's true about Russia, Ukraine, China, other countries, Iraq. If this is true, then he's a corrupt politician. So don't give me the stuff about how you're this innocent baby.

Joe, they're calling you a corrupt politician. Nobody. Hey, President Trump, I want to stay on the issue of race. We're talking about the issue. from hell. President Trump, we're talking about race right now, and I do want to stay on the issue of race. President Trump, you've just- And I have to respond to that. Please, look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a Russian plan. They have said that this has all the care, four, five former heads of the CIA, both parties,

say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. Nobody believes it except his and his good friend, Rudy Gianni. Do you mean the laptop is now another Russia, Russia, Russia hoax? That's exactly what this is where he's going. The laptop is Russia is Russia. I want to stay on the issue of him. You have to be kidding. Here we go again with Russia. We're going to continue on the issue of race. Mr. President, you've described the Black Lives Matter movement as a symbol of hate. You've shared a video of a man chanting white power to millions of your supporters. You've said that black professional athletes, exonerated. exercising their First Amendment rights should be fired. What do you say to Americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife?

Well, you have to understand. The first time I ever heard of Black Lives Matter, they were chanting pigs in a blanket talking about police. Pigs, pigs talking about our police. Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon. I said, that's a horrible thing. And they were marching down on the street. And that was my first. It happened once and they should have been chanting about you. Black Lives Matter. I thought it was a terrible. thing. As far as my relationships with all people, I think I have great relationships with all people. I am the least racist person in this room. What do you say to Americans who are concerned by that? I don't know what to say. I got criminal justice reform done and prison reform and opportunity zones. I took care of black colleges and universities. I don't know what to say. They can say anything. I mean, they can say anything. It's a very, it's making. It's a very, it's me sad because I am I am the least racist person I can't even see the audience

because it's so dark but I don't care who's in the audience I'm the least racist person in this room okay vice president Biden let me ask you very quickly and then I have a follow-up question for you Abraham Lincoln here is one of the most racist presence we've had in modern history he pours fuel on every single racist fire he's being sorry every single one started off his campaign coming down the escalator saying is you get rid of those Mexican rapists. He's banned Muslims because they're Muslims.

He has moved around and made everything worse across the board. He says to about the poor boys, last time we were on stage here, he said, I tell him to stand down and stand ready. Come on. This guy is a dog whistle about as big as a foghorn. President Trump, I'm going to give you 10 seconds to respond, and then I have a follow. He made a reference to Abraham Lincoln. Where did that come in?

I mean, you said you're Abraham Lincoln. No, where did that? No, no. I said, not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what I've done for the black community. And I'm saying. I didn't say I'm Abraham Lincoln. I said, not since Abraham Lincoln. Has anybody done what I've done for the black? God, so embarrassing. You have done nothing other than the crime bill, which put tens of thousands of black men mostly in jail. All right. Let me ask vice president. Because if you look at what's happening with the voting right now, they remember that you treated them very, very badly. Just take a look at what's happening out there.

Vice President Biden, let me give you a chance to respond within this context. Crime bills that you supported in the 80s and 90s contributed to the incarceration of tens of thousands of young black men who had small amounts of drugs in their possession. They are sons, they are brothers, their fathers, their uncles, whose families are still to this day, some of them suffering the consequences. So speak to those families. Why should they vote for you? One of the things is that in the 80s, we passed 100%. All 100 senators voted for it, a bill on drugs and how to deal with drugs. It was a mistake.

I've been trying to change the sense, and particularly the portion on cocaine. That's why I've been arguing that, in fact, we should not send anyone to jail for a pure drug offense. They should be going into treatment across the board. That's what we should be spending money. That's why I set up drug courts, which were never funded by a Republican friends. They should not be going to jail for a drug or an alcohol problem. They should be going into treatment. That's what we've been trying to do.

That's what I'm going to get done because I think the American people have now seen that, in fact, it was a mistake to pass those laws relating to the drug. But they were not in the crime bill. But why didn't he get it done? See, it's all talk, no action with his politicians. Why didn't he get it done? That's what I'm going to do when I become president. You were vice president, along with Obama as your president, your leader, for eight years.

Why didn't you get it done? You had eight years to get it done. Now you're saying you're going to get it done because you're all talking no action. We got a lot of it done. We released 38,000 prisoners left from the- You got nothing done. 38,000 prisoners were released. What did you get done?

Punk? There were over 1,000 people who were given clemency. We make, in fact, we're the ones that put in the legislation saying we could look at pattern and practice of police departments or what they were doing, how they were conducting themselves. I could go on, but we began the process. We began the process. We lost an election. That's why I'm running to win back that election and change his terrible policy. I just has one question. Why didn't you do it in the years? A short time ago. He just said he did it. You just said, I'm going to do that. I'm going to do this. You put tens of thousands of mostly black young men in prison. Now you're saying you're going to get, you're going to undo that.

Why didn't you get it done? You had eight years with Obama. You know why, Joe? Because you're all talk and no action. All right, Vice President Biden, and then we're going to move on to the next section. You're a Republican Congress. No, don't. You got to talk them into it, Joe.

All right. You've got to talk him into it. Oh, why didn't you talk Nancy Pelosi? Come on, Joe. No, delect to talk about his failure. Gentlemen, we're running out of time, so we've got to get on to climate change, please. You both have very different visions on climate change. President Trump, you say that environmental regulations have hurt jobs in the energy sector.

Vice President Biden, you have said you see addressing climate change as an opportunity to create new jobs. For each of you, how would you both combat climate change and support job growth at the same time, starting with you, President Trump, you have two minutes uninterrupt. So we have the Trillion Trees program. We have so many different programs. I do love the environment. But what I want is the cleanest crystal clear water, the cleanest air. We have the best lowest number in carbon emissions, which is a big standard that I notice Obama goes with all the time. He primitize public lands. Joe. I haven't heard Joe used the term because I'm not sure he knows what it represents her means, but I have heard Obama use it. And we have the best carbon emission numbers that we have. had in 35 years under this administration. We are working so well with industry. But here's what we can't do. Look at China, how filthy it is. Look at Russia. Look at India. It's filthy. The air is filthy. Isn't that like that? Because we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars

and we were treated very unfairly. When they put us in there, they did us a great disservice. They were going to take away our businesses. I will not sacrifice tens of millions of jobs, thousands and thousands of companies because of the Paris Accord. It was so unfair. China doesn't kick in until 2030. Russia goes back to a low standard. And we kicked in right away. It would have been, it would have destroyed our businesses.

So you ready? We have done an incredible job environmentally. We have the cleanest air. cleanest water and the best carbon emission standards that we've seen in many, many years. Vice President Biden. We haven't destroyed our industries. Vice President Biden, two minutes to you uninterrupted. Climate change. You have to keep bailing out your industries. Global warming is an existential threat to humanity.

We have a moral obligation to do with it. And we're told by all the leading scientists in the world, we don't have much time. We're going to pass the point of no return within the next eight. to 10 years. Former years of this man eliminating all the regulations that were put in by us to clean up the climate, to clean up, to limit the limit of emissions will put us in a position where we're going to be in real trouble. Here's where we have a great opportunity. I was able to get both all the environmental organizations as well as labor, the people worried about jobs, to support my climate plan. Because what it does, it will create millions of new,

good paying jobs we're going to invest in for example 500 000 50 000 charging stations on our highways so that we can own the electric car market of the future in the meantime china is doing that we're going to be in a position where we're going to see to it that we're going to take four million existing billions buildings and two million existing homes and retrofit them so they don't leak as much energy saving hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in the process and creating significant number of jobs. And by the way, the whole idea of what this is all going to do, it's going to create millions of jobs.

And it's going to clean the environment. Our health and our jobs are at stake. That's what's happening. And right now, by the way, Wall Street firms indicated that my plan will, in fact, create 18.6 million jobs, 7 million more than his. This is from Wall Street. and I'll create one trillion dollars more in economic growth than his proposal does.

Not on climate, just on the economy. President Trump here with him. They came out and said very strongly, $6,500 will be taken away from families under his plan, that his plan is an economic disaster. If you look at what he wants to do, you know, if you look at his plan, his environment plan, you know who developed it?

AOC Plus 3. They know nothing about the climate. I mean, she's got a good line of stuff, but she knows nothing about the climate. But it's good line of stuff. And they're all hopping through hoops for AOC plus three. Look, a real plan costs $100 trillion. If we had the best year in the history of our country, for 100 years, we would not even come close to a number like that. When he says buildings, they want to take buildings down because I want to make bigger windows into smaller windows.

As far as they're concerned, if you had no window, it would be a lovely thing. this is the craziest plan that anybody has ever seen. And this wasn't done by smart people. This wasn't done by. Oh, no. Okay, we're having a slight issue. We'll get right back to it. But what does that mean when he said about AOC?

She has a good line of stuff. I don't know what that means. And he's like, no, it's not. I think she has a good line of stuff. Long good line of stuff. And he was when he got cut off there for a second, we'll have it right back for you guys. but he was saying they're not having smart people work on it.

What, smart people like you? The guy who hides his high school grades, a smart guy like that. So, I mean, who isn't, I can't wait to do the analysis right after the debate. We'll, again, like I said, we'll have it back on in a second. But he, he, when he says stuff like, I'm the least racist person in this room to an African-American moderator. I mean, who doesn't laugh out loud? He's just such a clown So he's more under control in this debate than he was in the others

But all right here we go Is the electric The uh, excuse me Solar energy and wind He thinks wind causes cancer windmills It's the fastest growing jobs And they pay good prevailing wages 45, 50 bucks an hour

We can grow and we can be cleaner If we go the route I'm proposing President Trump Excuse me. We are energy independent for the first time. We don't need all of these countries that we had to fight war over because we needed their energy. We are energy independent. I know more about wind than you do. It's extremely expensive. Kills all the birds.

It's very intimidating. A lot of problems. And they happen to make the windmills in both Germany and China. And the fumes coming up, if you're a believer in carbon emission, the fumes coming up to make these massive windmills. is more than anything that we're talking about with natural gas, which is very clean. One other thing. Find me a scientist said that. I love solar.

But solar doesn't quite have it yet. It's not powerful in it yet to really run our big, beautiful factories that we need to compete with the world. So it's all a pipe dream. But you know what we'll do? We're going to have the greatest economy in the world. But if you want to kill the economy, get rid of your oil industry. And what about fracking? All right, let me allow Vice President to respond.

I have never said I oppose fracking. You said it on tape. Okay, please move on, move on, move on, move on, move on. I'll put it on. Put it on the website. The fact of the matter is, he's flat line. Would you rule out banning fracking? I do rule out banning fracking because the answer, we need other industries to transition

to get to ultimately a complete zero emissions by 2025. What I will do with fracking over time is make sure that we can capture the emissions from the fracking, capture the emissions from gas. We can do that, and we can do that by investing money and doing it. It's a transition to that. I have one more question in this part. Excuse me. He was against fracking. He said it.

I will show that to you tomorrow. I am against fracking. Until he got the nomination, went to Pennsylvania. Then he said, but you know what, Pennsylvania? He'll be against it very soon because his party is totally. against fracking on federal land. I said no fracking. Let me ask this final question in this section. And then I want to move on to our final section. President Trump, people of color are much more likely to live near oil refineries and chemical plants. In Texas, there are families who

worry the plants near them are making them sick. Your administration has rolled back regulations on these kinds of facilities. Why should these families give you another four years in office? The families that we're talking about are employed heavily, and they're making a lot of money, more money than they've ever made. If you look at the kind of numbers that we've produced for Hispanic, for black, for Asian, it's nine times greater the percentage gain than it was under, in three years, than it was under eight years of the two of them, to put it nicely, nine times more. Now, somebody lives, I have not heard the numbers or the statistics that you're saying, but they're making a tremendous amount of money economically. We saved it, and I saved it again a number of months ago when oil was crashing because of the pandemic. We saved it.

We got, say what you want about relationship, we got Saudi Arabia, Mexico, and Russia to cut back way back. We saved our oil industry, and now it's very vibrant together. And everybody has very inexpensive gasoline. Vice President Biden, your response, and then we're going to have a final question for both of you. My response is that those people live on what they call fence lines. He doesn't understand this. They live near chemical plants that, in fact, pollute chemical plants and oil plants and refineries that pollute. I used to live near that when I was growing up in Claymont, Delaware.

And all the more oil refineries in Marcus Hook and the Delaware River than there is any place, including in Houston at the time. When my mom get in the car, when they're first frost to drive me to school, turn in the windshield web, but they've been oil slick in the window. That's why so many people in my state were dying and getting cancer. The fact is those frontline communities, it doesn't matter what you're paying them. It matters how you keep them safe. What do you do? And you impose restrictions on the pollutants that the pollutants coming out of those fence line communities. Okay. I have one final question. Would he close down the oil industry? Would you close down the oil industry? I have a transition from the oil industry. Yes. Oh, that's a big statement. It is a

big statement. That's a good statement. Because I would stop. Why would you do that? Because the oil industry pollutes significantly. I see. Here's the deal. But that's a big statement. Well, if you let me finish the statement, because it has to be replaced by renewable energy over time, over time. And I'd stop giving to the oil industry. I'd stop giving them federal subsidies. He won't give federal subsidies to the gas, to the, to solar and when. Yeah. Why are we giving it to oil industry? We actually do give it to solar and wind. That's maybe the biggest statement in terms of business. That's the biggest statement.

Because basically what he's saying is he is going to destroy the oil industry. Will you remember that Texas? Will you remember that Pennsylvania, Oklahoma? Vice President Biden, let me give you 10 seconds to respond. And I have to get to the final question. Vice President Biden. He takes everything out of context. But the point is, look, we have to move toward a net zero emissions.

The first place to do that by the year 2030, is an energy production by 2050 totally. All right. Is you going to get China to do it? No, we're finished with this. We have to move on to our final question. No, I'm going to rejoin Paris Accord to make China abide by what they agreed to. All right.

This is about leadership, gentlemen. And this first question does go to you. President Trump, imagine this is your inauguration day. What will you say in your address to Americans who did not vote for you? You'll each have one minute starting with you, Mr. We have to make a country totally successful as it was prior to the plague coming in from China. Now we're rebuilding it and we're doing record numbers, 11.4 million jobs at a short period of time, et cetera. But I will tell you, go back.

Before the plague came in, just before, I was getting calls from people that were not normally people that would call me. They wanted to get together. We had the best black unemployment numbers in the history of our country, Hispanic, women, Asian, People with diplomas, with no diplomas, MIT graduates number one in the class, everybody had the best numbers. And you know what? The other side wanted to get together. They wanted to unify. Success is going to bring us together. We are on the road to success, but I'm cutting taxes, and he wants to raise everybody's taxes, and he wants to put new regulations on everything. He will kill it. If he gets in, you will have a depression, the likes of which you've never seen. your 401ks will go to hell, and it'll be a very, very sad day for this country.

All right. Vice President Biden, same question to you. What will you say during your inaugural address to Americans who did not vote for you? I will say, I'm an American president. I represent all of you, whether you voted for me or against me. And I'm going to make sure that you're represented. I'm going to give you hope. We're going to choose science over fiction. We're going to choose hope over fear. We're going to choose to move forward because they have enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities to make things better. We can grow this economy. We can deal with the systemic racism.

And at the same time, we can make sure that our economy is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy, creating millions of new jobs. And that's the fact. That's what we're going to do. And I'm going to say, as I said to the beginning, what is on the ballot here is the character of this. country, decency, honor, respect, treating people with dignity, making sure that everyone hasn't even chance. And I'm going to make sure you get that. You haven't been getting it the last four years. All right. I want to thank you both for a very robust hour and a half. A fantastic debate. Really appreciate it. President Trump, former Vice President Joe Biden, thank you to Belmont University for hosting us tonight. And most importantly, thank you to

those watching tonight. Election Day is November 3rd. Don't forget to vote. Thank you everyone and have a great night. Thank you. All right. So we are going to do analysis immediately, obviously. We're going to bring in Michael Schroen in just a little bit. First of all, like and share the stream. Let's get this analysis to everyone. This debate obviously was more tempered than the first hurricane that we dealt with in the in the first debate and but it had some wonderfully comical lines by Donald Trump. I know wind better than you do okay was one of my favorites we're planting a trillion trees that program doesn't even exist I mean he said a billion he said a trillion it's zero it doesn't even

exist. And he just keeps saying it. It's, it really is stunning how often he lies. And with no recourse to anything, here, look, let's do the summary right now real quick, okay? So guys, Trump had to have a big win in this debate, okay? And at best, at best, it's a tie because he wasn't a maniac, right? Because we got, we got used to the Trump standard, which is like him constantly punching himself in the face at the speed of a tornado, right? And so this time he'd every once in a while punch himself in the face instead of doing it really rapidly while spinning around. So, but even if it were a tie, which it wasn't, that trumps down eight points nationally. And there's very little time left before the election, about 10 days

left before the election. This ain't going to do it, but it wasn't a tie. I mean, if you're sitting at home, even if you're a Trump sport, how do you not get embarrassed by those lines when he says he knows wind better than Biden. And Biden is right, he Trump once said that windmills cause cancer. He's the guy's a lunatic. He says he plants a trillion trees, he hasn't planted one. He said that he's doing great on coronavirus goggles. I don't know what he's talking about, nobody knows what he's talking about.

He said, but Biden's selling sheets and pillows. I've never heard that in my life. What are you doing? He said, go, the Russians gave him three and a half million dollars. I mean, I know, and so did a Nigerian prince who had to get his money out of the country. I mean, as long as we're making things up, why not? But of course, two classic lines were, no one has been better to African Americans than Donald Trump, with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln.

So, you know, Biden got in all that trouble when he said, you know, if you're black, or if you vote for Trump, you can't be black or something along those lines. If you're a black supporter of Donald Trump, how do you not get embarrassed when he says, maybe with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln? And then later he went on to say, I'm the least racist person in this room. He said it to an African American moderator. I mean, what do you do with this guy? What do you do with a clown this large?

So did Donald Trump lose the debate? Of course, of course he lost the debate. How could a guy like that ever win a debate? So let me get your guys reaction. Ben, you go first. Yeah, here's the thing. The main thing I think is that the emperor is finally being seen as naked, right? I think his ridiculousness, his entire stick that he was able to get away with in 2016 has finally run his course. Anyone who has a modicum of sincerity in them saw a disaster tonight. It was a complete and total collapse of Donald Trump.

You remove the novelty of his ignorance. ignorance, right? His different approach and all the different ways they try to categorize him as not being a politician. And all these things were novel in 2016. It has run his course, and we're on this side of 220,000 people being dead because of his decisions. And so now he's doing the same exact thing over again, and it's just not hitting the same notes. And that's being kind. Joe Biden came out for blood. He came out swinging uppercut after uppercut, haymaker after haymaker, and they landed. Now, everyone got a little fatigued. Joe Biden got fatigued. We I got fatigued somewhere around an hour and 15 minutes and it went downhill just a little

bit for him, but not enough to take away from how big of an opening Joe Biden had. I think if anybody gave up on Don't Trump, it happened in the first 20 minutes. Yeah, Ben, you're 100% correct. I totally agree with your assessment. I think that Biden's performance was incredibly strong throughout the debate. Toward the end, I agree. He was fumbling just a little bit, but not enough to give Donald Trump the edge in this debate. Trump was fumbling, bumbling, he looked like a clown. And look, I'm saying this specifically regarding his performance and inability to respond to the very specific examples that Joe Biden provided in regard to Donald Trump's failures in his first term. That's what I wanted to see more of

during the debate between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence. And I really did think that Kamala Harris was gonna deliver. But in this debate, luckily we did see Joe Biden show up ready to fight, ready with actual specific examples. There were a few moments that certainly didn't please me with either one of the candidates, especially when it came to environmental policy and foreign policy. I think they're both awful when it comes to those two issues. But still, in terms of optics, in terms of what I think most American voters see and care about, Biden unquestionably won this debate. There's no question. Yeah, and actually, it wasn't just that Trump was a clown, and I've got more examples of that,

but it was that Biden was strong. He punched back really effectively on the tax. He said, what are you hiding? Why don't you just tell me, what are you hiding? And that's a great question. The Chinese bank account, what are you hiding? He did his claim. classic Biden things too, all throughout the debate. Come on, come on. And he hit him with a malarkey or two. But he also had good substantive points like when they were talking about race, he brought up Central Park Five.

Finally, finally a Democrat does it, right? It took five long years for them to bring up Central Park Five. Here's, you know, five minority kids who were proven innocent and Trump thought they should be killed anyway. I mean, that's so outrageous. When people ask what has he done that's racist, to me that's one of the top things on the list. He said, and he, when he said, well, they should, you know, still be punished in that extreme way. He said, well, what were they doing in Central Park?

They were probably up to no good anyway. Oh my God, I mean, that is, it's the classic racist line. I don't know, they're minorities, they must have been up to no good anyway, let's just kill them. It's unreal, right? So, and then you get to the clownish stuff. When he says, you know, I'm, you know, they say therapeutics, I took therapeutics. They say it's not, I think it might be a cure. You think it might be a cure?

Therapeutics is totally different than a cure. You're in charge during coronavirus. Well, no wonder we lead the world a number of deaths because you don't even know the difference between therapeutic and a cure. And then he says, I might be immune. That's what some say. No, nobody says that. Nobody says you're immune. You're in much better shape now. You're far less likely to get it, but you're not immune. No doctor actually says that. And he kept saying, as he was talking about coronavirus, I don't know. We should know. We've had the pandemic now for 10 long months, 220,000 people are dead, and you're still on a national debate stage talking about how, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what had been. Jesus Christ. And then, and then the weird cryptic references, the nonstop. lies about Biden's record. Biden's got plenty of things wrong with his record.

We've talked about it. And on the rare times that he's right, so when he said, hey, you attack Social Security, that's true. Biden did in some of his speeches. And we pointed that out earlier. But that's a very rare situation where Trump was right. More often than not, he's like, and then there was a guy who was a business guy. And he said, the big man, and I think you're the big man, I think.

Nobody knows what you're talking about. And you just sound like a guy calling him, I think you're the big man. That almost sounds positive. And I mean, I can go all night because he went for an hour and a half of total rubbish. I don't know why I used the word rubbish. What am I English all of a sudden? Anyway, Anna, I want to go to you and then I want to give you one last really important terrible line from Trump.

Go ahead. It sounds like you've been watching Pepper Pig. I thought you said big. Go ahead. No, I just wanted to say, you know, So the weakest moments for Biden were when he was attacked from the left. I mean, obviously, it's fake leftism from Trump, right? Mostly on foreign policy. And yeah, mostly foreign policy. Imagine if you had a real leftist on that stage. You know, like obviously, I'm talking about

a hypothetical here, but someone who would respond to a $15 an hour minimum wage with No, you know what, $15 an hour? Not enough. Instead of subsidizing fossil fuel companies, why don't we subsidize actual small businesses that can't afford a $20 or $25 an hour minimum wage to ensure that they pay their employees at least that much? That is the minimum. Imagine how popular that kind of messaging would be. Again, I know that I'm sharing a hypothetical here, But the weakest moments for Biden, which were, to be fair, there were a few compared to Trump. I mean, Trump was littered with weak moments. Those weak moments could have easily been aided with leftist ideology that is overwhelmingly appealing to the vast majority of Americans who are workers, who know what it's like to make $7.25 an hour, who know what it's like to be laid off right now.

Who knows, who know what it's like to be evicted or pushed out of their rent controlled apartments so these disgusting, greedy real estate developers can knock those buildings down so they can construct these ridiculous luxury apartments and condominiums. I just think about how even now, I know that nationally speaking in the national polls, Biden is doing well. But in some of these swing states, in some of these battleground states, the election is a toss up. And that worries me. I would argue that it wouldn't be that case if Biden had pivoted more toward a leftist message that focuses primarily on working Americans as opposed to his donors.

But with that said, I think Biden did really well tonight. I think that Trump did not prepare, and it certainly showed. And he embarrassed himself over and over and over again, and I love to see it. Yeah, and look, I debate a little differently than Democrats do, okay? But when I'll give Joe Biden credit, when he said, yeah, I'm gonna raise the minimum wage for $15, that's a good moment because you just told millions upon millions of Americans that you're gonna raise their wages. For some of them, you're gonna double their wages. That's a, it's such a layup. The Democratic Party fought Bernie Sanders tooth and nail for decades on this issue, right? And finally, Sanders won, and now we're at a point where

Biden is championing it. But what I would have done with Trump is, I would have said, look, you just said you're for lower wages. You just said you're against a 15 minimum wage. So how low do you want the wages to be? How much money do you want to take away from the average American? Just explain it. Because you say you're against the minimum wage. You don't want to pay people more. I know you want all the money to go to the businesses and your donors, but how low do you want their wages to be? And just keep pounding him. How low do you want their wages to be?

How low do you want their wages to be? And he can't possibly answer that. He's a fool. But again, I'm with everyone else here. Biden within the context of what normally goes on in a debate did great. Let me say one last thing about Trump's lines because I thought this one was, I mean, there was two that were amazing. When he said, you know, you had eight years to do something about health care,

you didn't do anything. You know, Obama cares a mess. Wait a minute, did he not do anything or did he do Obamacare? You can't blame him from Obamacare and then say you didn't know anything for eight years. The one thing they're known for is Obamacare, right? He just has no attachment to reality or facts. And then the line that I thought was even more comical is on coronavirus, he said, I take full responsibility.

It was China's fault. And we was back-to-back sentences. It was amazing. The thing that stood out the most of me about Donald Trump's delivery tonight was that his normal lies didn't land as good as they used to land, right? I don't think any of them landed, even when he was trying to outflank Joe Biden from the left talking about wars and endless wars, that didn't really land. I don't know if it's the medication he's on because what he's usually able to do is to put on a performance enough to make his. his lies stick with an impactful force that he just didn't have tonight. And so I'm wondering how it really resonated with his supporters, because if they were looking

for the same showmanship that they normally get, and by showmanship, I mean clown show, they didn't get that tonight. And I think they had to feel like they came away defeated and deflated because Trump just could not deliver in a way. Of course, all of it is lies, but that's what he's been built on. That's what he's built everything around. And so I think all of it really came crashing down around him tonight. Yeah, so guys, I want to thank some of the folks that make this coverage possible. And then we're going to give you a lot more of the funny lines, the absurd lines, the important lines out of the debate. We'll give you what the media reaction has been.

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