The Young Turks - Part 3: Day 1 of 2020 DNC

Episode Date: October 8, 2020

Part 3: Cenk Uygur and John Iadarola breakdown day 1 of the 2020 DNC. Speakers: Senator Bernie Sanders, Senator Catherine Cortez Masto, Governor Andrew Cuomo, Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Representative Jim Clyburn, Convention Chairman Representative Bennie Thompson, Representative Gwen Moore, Former Governor John Kasich, Senator Doug Jones, Senator Amy Klobuchar, and Former First Lady Michelle Obama Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to the Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, back on Young Turks, post game, Jake Uger, John I are in love with you guys. I tell you that like you're not members. If you're a member, you know who we are. Okay, so, um, I don't.

I wanna break down, I wanna do three things in this post game. Number one, go over the funniest moments of the first night of the DNC. Number two, read your comments because there's a lot of wonderful things in there. And I wanna respond to some of your questions. Number three, then go back to some of the specifics like Bernie speech, okay? First funniest moment was the farmer who took popping your collar a little too literally. He had the largest collars I've ever seen on a shirt. But that made me like him more, because he's a real dude.

Yeah, I don't know what kind of color to wear, I don't know what kind of color to wear. It made me want to give him a hug, like, ah, it's gonna be all right, man, let's go save your farm. So number two is John Casey started giving the speech, and he said, we are at a crossroads. And he was at a little crossroad, right? I was gonna say that one. Yeah, and then the camera like wouldn't zoom in on him for like 30, 45 seconds, maybe a minute. I'm like, zoom in, zoom in, this is super awkward. I'm begging you to zoom in.

Well, no, so what was great about, first of all, I think it was actually like 15 seconds. It felt like an hour, but what was great about that was obviously 2020 feels in a lot of ways like the beginning of the apocalypse. He looked like he was the only human in the world. in the world, like that he was in some remote cornfield or something like that. I don't know, I guess the image was just, hey, we're talking about a crossroads, let's use it. No, that's not good enough. You need a better reason before you wander off in the middle of nowhere to film an ad. Yeah, you're right, it did feel a little zombie apocalypse, like, and I didn't, it's so funny the tiny little thoughts that linger in the back of your head or maybe in the middle of your head.

Yeah, I had the same feeling. And I almost felt like, John, are you sure there's not a zombie behind you? Like, that's me looking out for Kasich. So then Klobuchar's mom jokes. You know what? Now that we've gone over him a couple of times, John, even in tonight's coverage, that kind of miss them. They were the best parts of her speech by far. They weren't that bad, I mean, it's kind of like, no, they were. No, John, you're funny. Yeah, don't.

Okay, here. No, they are the, they're the clearest indication of a real human personality that is not just political calculations and things like that. That's true, that's true, and I think the fact that they're really bad makes it more endearing. Like, like, and now don't forget Donald Trump, you're going to have to get a change of address, so don't cut the post office. You're like, oh, the Zingers, the Klobuchar zingers are back. Okay, so she's almost there. Okay, but then she couldn't help herself and with the most hilariously outlandish lie of the night. I don't know if you caught it.

She said, you know, the night that I conceded was both one of the, you know, hardest times, but also one with filled with great joy because I got to endorse Joe Biden. Oh, come on here. Come on. Nobody believes that. I lost it. I'm filled with joy that I can endorse my opponent, Joe Biden. Dude, you'd rather throw stapler at his head than hug him.

Everybody knows that. It's okay, own it, Amy, own it. I used to play competitive tennis growing up, and I used to hate losing a match, but it was nice to have the opportunity to shake their hand afterward. Yeah, you do it because you're a good sportsman. You don't, that's not awesome, that's not a trade-off. What are you talking about? Yeah. The one thing, I don't know if you noticed, but one thing that was missing from her speech. Well, one was policy. The other was I wanted to know what the weather was like when she announced that she was running for president. And we didn't have anything about that.

Yeah. I'll tell you, that was actually Clovichard's best moment when she gave that speech in the blizzard. Because you know what? That's the essence of the upside of Amy Klobuchar, which is, God damn it, I'm gonna do this thing. I don't care what anybody says. I don't care if there's a God damn Blizzard. I'm giving the goddamn speech. I'm going to put a couple of goddamn mom jokes in there. You know, when you did that voice, I just realized your stapler reference what you were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, don't take my stapler. Okay, so I think that was it. I think those were the funny moments. Yeah, I mean, there were a few, like a few actually touching moments, a few attempts at touching

moments. But that was really just, that was the only funny stuff. Yeah, so there was the cliches, which I'll get back into it a minute, but Gretchen Whitmer, Governor of Michigan, doing it at a UAW Hall, I get it, it's fine, it's fine, is I guess it's probably a good thing. But it's so hackneyed, it's so cliche. I'm here, I'm the governor of Michigan, and I'm here at a UAW hall. And you know about the car workers and stuff, I get it, dude, you guys make cars in Michigan. I get it, I get it. And you're a Democrat and you love unions and they supported you massively. And that's why you would beat the progressive candidate in the race. I get it. I get it. Okay, all right,

I want to ask you a question because I found I think her speech to be the in terms of performance the worst that it was very like mechanical and like there was no there was no energy no passion no actual emotion any any feigned emotion was that feigned it seemed kind of like an emotion but it clearly wasn't one and the thing is she's she's been around for a little bit she's been successful and electoral office. So my question for you is, when people who like her politics watch that speech, do they see it significantly different than we might? Am I perceiving this through the thick bubble that I live in? Do people who don't agree with like Bernie's politics, do they think that he's not being authentic in the same way? Or are these actual massive differences and ability

to communicate values? That's such a great question, John. So my assessment is that most folks, especially non-progressives, generally speaking, have very little idea how inauthentic politicians are. So no, no, no, let me be clear. I think, yeah, I'm conflating two different things. I think most Americans have an inner sense that politicians are inauthentic. And it rubs them the wrong way. I think just random big color farmer dude looks at Gretchen Whitmer is like, whatever, politician,

right? But I was talking, the people who can't tell they're inauthentic are actually the most highly educated people. They're what I would call, and I don't mean this in a pejorative, but more establishment type of voters. They're good people, they listen to NPR, they read the New York Times, they watch MSNBC. And they've been told their whole lives that politicians are real. So they've forgotten what real people know, which is that Gretchen Wettmer does not look like a real person.

She looks and sounds like an inauthentic politician. When they, when the people that I'm referring to, when they see Gretchen Wettmer, they think, Well, look, it wasn't compelling like Barack Obama in 2004. It's, you know, I'll give her a 7 out of 10, but it was good, it was good. I mean, I like her and she's good and she's solid. If I say, no, she's a, that speech was the biggest thing I've ever seen. They will get genuinely offended. Isn't that interesting?

Almost, look, I, and a lot of my friends are in this category, I'm going to keep it real. If I tell them that Gretchen Whitmer is a, you know, is a phony politician and that speech was nothing but political, they'll think I'm a barbarian. I don't understand how, like I did it as devil's advocate, I asked the question, but I don't see how anyone watches that and thinks. This is a person who honestly has these feelings and is expressing what they truly feel and truly believe. And it's not to say that she doesn't actually believe some of it or a version of it. But it is not an authentic expression of feelings. It just isn't. I don't see how you could have any emotional intelligence and not be able to

see through that. Humans are supposed to be born with some ability to tell when they're being deceived. And it's not just, we're just using her as an example. The vast majority of politicians are like that. And she's far better than someone like Ted Cruz who every single motion of his body has been planned six months in advance to try to accomplish some sort of goal. But you can't watch that speech and think that it was authentic. Even Klobuchar, there was a little bit more of who she actually was in that. I don't know, I just I don't get it. I don't get it, but yeah, I think that your read was pretty accurate.

Yeah, look, I talked to a group of my friends last night who I love. They're wonderful people, but they were slightly offended. That's my read of it. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong, that I said Kamala Harris basically had not emphasized that she was South Asian before, that her mom is Indian. She'd only emphasized that she was black. And the minute she was picked, all of a sudden they're like, remember she's black and South Asian, Asian, Asian, Asian, first Asian American, Indian, Indian, Indian, Right? And I said, look, that's a political decision. It's an obvious political decision

to de-emphasize it before she's pegged and emphasize it after she's picked. And instead of thinking, well, that's the most logical thing I've ever heard. Then you could think that's a good idea or a bad idea. I got a slight spidey sense that they were almost borderline offended by that idea. Like, no, Kamala Harris is being up front and you're being callous by analyzing it that way. I just think, I don't know, I don't know what it is about NPR. It's just taught a generation of super educated, very smart people to turn off their credibility meter. Like, and just say, just accept what politicians say as if they're being authentic. Yeah. I look, if you ask me a number, I'll say at least 92% of politicians are horribly inauthentic.

And I don't think most Americans would disagree with me. But like I said, in some weird, bizarre world, I think the most educated Americans would not only be in the 8% who disagree, but they disagree to the point of being offended, especially if you're talking about a democratic politician. So, and by the way, every news anchor and everyone who works at the New York Times is in that category, is in that 8% who would be offended if you talk about the inauthentia. into city of a politician, if someone wrote an editorial tomorrow in the New York Times saying how Michelle Obama speech was a little inauthentic, which is true, I can't imagine

they wouldn't be fired. What do you think? Am I exaggerating or? Yeah, I mean, I guess it would depend on how long you've been there. I could see, I don't I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I do think it's it's a particularly like hands off sort of thing. And the thing is like I keep trying to provide nuance that will probably be lost on our on our detractors. When I'm when I am talking about her at least, I'm not saying that again, that she doesn't feel those things or doesn't believe those things. In the case of Michelle Obama, she's clearly playing it up for the performance. But I don't get the impression off of her that it's a purely political calculation like with some of these other politicians.

Her unwillingness year after year to engage in electoral politics implies that that's not what she's going for. But you can point out that it is a performance and not necessarily a 100% successful one, while also acknowledging it was probably the best speech of the night, not about substance, and will probably be the best of the entire convention. All of those things can be true. We don't have to choose one designator and then just go with that and nothing else is acceptable. Yeah, I'm gonna say it one last time. No one who works at NPR or the New York Times didn't fall in love with Michelle Obama's speech 100%. Like I think even 2% critique would have people really questioning whether you're at the right place at those two institutions.

And yeah, I liked it, I did. Yeah, I liked it overall and we gave a ton of nuance to the wonderful parts of the speech and the mediocre parts of the speech. That's how it should be, but that's not how media is these days. Okay, when you have one moment, I need one moment for something fun, but continue. Oh, that sounds super great. Okay, but first I want to read your guys' comments. These are the members, Solar Power. Thank you so much for this wonderful TYT coverage. You are my family.

We're right back at you. You're our family. Javier I said, how do you think Biden will handle the U.S.-China relations? Well, that's easy. Status quo, back to status quo. So we'll go back to the trade deals that are not to our advantage, but we won't do maniacal trade wars that needlessly kill our economy. China will get 90% of what they want.

I'm keeping it real. But they won't randomly take over Taiwan, which is there's an excellent chance that they would do under Trump. Trump would create enough chaos to be like, well, we took Hong Kong and he didn't do anything. So we'll just take Taiwan. So that's the difference between the two. Cousin Vinnie says, okay, one more time for the folks in the back, regarding Biden's empathy. Biden during the 222 primary, quote, the younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Cousin Vinnie? Damn it, that's a good point. And you know why?

I've said this before, it's because Joe Biden is great at empathy for anyone he's in a room with. And the reason he largely supports the status quo is because he's in the room most of the time with Democratic donors, really wealthy Democratic donors. Hence the defining quote of Joe Biden's primary, when he told those wealthy donors, nothing will fundamentally change if I'm president. And so why doesn't he have empathy for young people? Because he's almost never in a room with a young progressive, let alone a room filled with young progressives. Almost never. I think that if you did, if you put Joe Biden and his, I still think through the roof empathy, in a room filled with AOCs, he'd come out as a fire breathing progressive.

The downside of Joe Biden is he's a blank slate in a lot of ways. And maybe, maybe the upside of Joe Biden is that he's a blank slate in many ways. All right, someone who likes Bernie Sanders wrote in, she's delivering this, referring to Michelle Obama, she's delivering this well, but a lot of what she's saying does not hold up to scrutiny, it'll work for normies. I like that comment. Yeah. And that's a good way of putting it.

Yes, hashtag IMTYIT, hashtag not me, us, right? It's in watching and listening to Michelle Obama speak reminds me of how Melania Trump fails to meet those same standards of grace, genuineness, and empathy. Well, that's a great point. Yeah. Today, we did it, it was one of the last stories in the post game. Now Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives are calling Kamala Harris a prostitute. Yeah.

Okay, I mean, I'm trying everything I can. All right, not to say the thing that is super obvious about the other person in the White House, super duper obvious. Anyway, I mean, look, I don't even have to bring up the other person in the White House. Oh, all of a sudden, Limbaugh has a problem with sex workers. That's something that Limbaugh has an issue with. That's based on his travel plans of the past didn't seem like something that he had a big issue with. Yeah, if you don't remember, he took like a gallon of Viagra down to the Dominican Republic on a vacation alone. There are no giant Dominican Republican fans of Rush Lomba who can't wait to see him on their

shorts. Okay, anyway, anyway, let me keep going. The math magician says Bernie lost the battle, but he won the war. If Trump gets reelected, we'll be slaughtered at best politically and at worse, literally. This country doesn't have a future, let alone progressives. If Trump is reelected, if Trump is reelected. That's what Bernie was trying with this speech to get all the angry progressives to understand. He's 100% right. The math and magician is 100% right, and Bernie's 100% right. If we can push by, there is no pushing Trump. There is no hope at all for four years of Trump wins. Forget my apocalyptic thoughts on what Trump is going to do. You shouldn't forget that. That is what he will do. But even if you got past that or you didn't believe that,

at a bare minimum, progressives would be talking to a brick wall for four years. It's just intolerable. I can't stand the thought. Yeah. And while we're not mentioning that, we could also mention that the Supreme Court would cease to exist as a body where you couldn't predict literally every single decision it made for the next 10 to 30 years. So that's also a consideration. Yeah, that's right. And look, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is sick. And there's just Trump, really don't even think about it. Don't even think about it. We'll push Biden, and I swear to God, we'll push him as hard as humanly possible. But don't even think about it. not voting for the credible candidate opposed to Trump.

Um, um, um, Mike, me buy rights and your coverage makes me feel like maybe it's time to trust some media again, maybe. Well, you know what, I'll take it. Thank you, Mike. We appreciate it. Yeah. And it is tough to trust media for all the reasons that we've been stating. So, you know, if we brought a little bit of trust back to you about people that can actually honestly delivered the news, then I feel absolutely fantastic about that. Thank you. And last one, who's Biden, me? Oh, right, writes in. Jay Joe is not a blank slate. His slate and record, or as long as his political career, I think you're falling into the nice guy air. He's got too much. Well, I hear you on that, and we talked about his policy.

In fact, we were the, I don't see the only show now, because there's so many others that are progressive online now, humanist reports, secular talk, majority reports. Michael Brooks, obviously, when he was alive, et cetera, right? And of course, legendary Eam and Goodman. But us collectively are the only ones who actually talked about Biden's policies. And it was not a blank slate and it was not a good look. But it goes to the same point I was making. Why did he agree with all these Republicans throughout his career?

Because he was surrounded by Republicans. He was in a room filled with a Republican. Why did he agree with Strom Thurman? Because he was in a room with Strom Thurman. If he was in a room with a guy who hated Strom Thurman for being a bigot and a racist, then he probably would empathize with that guy who was against Strom Thurman. That's who Joe Biden is. So his track record is clear, but it's influenced by the fact that he was a creature of Washington,

and that's what Washington is. So we only have a little bit of time left. So John, fun point or question. Yes, fun in a sad way. So we've just finished the first night of the Democratic convention. The Republican convention is coming up soon and we don't know that much yet about who's going to be speaking there, but during this show, I saw some breaking news exclusives provided by Breitbart about a few of the speakers who are going to be at the Republican convention.

Jank, would you like to make a guess or two? What are your guesses as to who? I've got three people to go together, one doesn't, who are gonna be speaking at this event. They're not the easiest guesses. I'll say that. I rate this as a medium to difficult, but who are some of your guesses as to who could have been the Breitbart exclusive? Okay, I definitely have not seen it. I have one definitive yes, diamond and silk. I try, no, I tricked you with that one, the fact that it's a couple. It's not those. It's another couple.

The minute you said anything about who's speaking at the R&C. But when you said it's like they're paired together, I was like, oh my God, I was right. Well, no, so diamond and silk I'm sure will be there. The pair that I'm talking about are a different pair that has been in the news over the past two to four weeks or so that Republicans would find appealing considering what's been going on in the country. It's a tough one, I will grate you that. Any couples spring to mind? Oh my God, Stephen Miller and Kate Miller? That's funny, but no. Think about couples with particular props in their hands.

I wonder if anyone in the chat gets it. This is a tough one. With props in their hands that you made it look like guns. Is Dana Loche dating someone that I'm not familiar with? That is funny, probably, but no. Okay, this is Don Jr. and Kimberly Guilfoil, but that wouldn't be funny. No, they'll be there. This is the St. Louis couple who pointed guns at protesters, they're speaking at the RNC. They're only known because they pointed loaded firearms at peaceful protesters. They were blocking at the convention. No, but it has to be pointed out. They pointed the weapons and freaked down because the protests, the peaceful protesters were black. Yeah, yep. So, and they got arrested. It was What they did was illegal. And Trump is like, oh, you did something illegal, but hatefully racist, you're right?

How could they, how is that a person who speaks in a convention? That's unbelievable. Yeah. No, John, I gotta give it to you. No, you totally surprised me, there's no way I would have got it. Now there's one other individual, this was the main Breitbart exclusive here. So this is a person from a little bit like a year to two years ago that became this big part of the culture war, this conversation.

about are people being unfairly canceled. Now, this is a person to give you a few more clues, who we were told, how dare you imply some sort of political, racial thing to him? He's just a young man, why are you being so unfair? He's going to be speaking at the RNC. Any guesses based on the description I've given you? Charlie Kirk. That's fine. No, he'll definitely be there. No, this is a little bit tougher than Charlie Kirk. These are these are tough ones. I'm going to instantly give up given what happened last time. Sure. Because it could be like Donald Trump's aunt. Why? No, no, no. These are people who can't get any real to show up.

This is a person who was in several days worth of news. So RNC speaker, Covington Catholic High School student Nick Sandman, who sued CNN and everyone else, and totally wasn't having a racial issue with those activists, and totally isn't gonna turn this into some sort of Milo-esque political social media career. No, speaking at the R&C, the St. Louis couple and the Covington kid. Yeah, well, they love the Covington kid and probably the St. Louis couple for similar reasons. Victimology. They love being victims. Oh my God, what the Washington Post did to me. dude, you should see what the Washington bosom did me.

The New York Times, L.A. Times, CNN, you name it. If I believe in getting rich quick schemes, I would have sued them. But there is no equivalent for progressives. No one, like the established media is like, oh, progressive got screwed? Yes, everybody drink, right? Well, I can think of one progressive candidate who's been screwed recently by the media over the past couple of weeks. Yeah, of course.

And so, that's Alex Morris, by the way, or Shahad Bhattar or fill in the blank. Certainly any progressive male candidate that runs. But when you have like the Covington kid, the right wing lose their mind. Oh, poor white kid, poor white kid. Oh, we're the victims. We're the victims. Oh, finally we're the victims. And so I don't know if it's a religious thing that they can't wait to be victims.

But it's hilarious that they then do projection and say, all Democrats want to do is be victims. Oh, I love that kid, it was the victim. So that's the quality we're going to get at the RNC. I can't wait, John. Thank you for getting me all jazzed about it. And we'll do live coverage of it like we do with the Democratic convention. And it'll be a blast, it'll be hilarious. So you should check that out.

And support us at t.y.com slash go so we can have these fun times. We're out of time, but I'm just going to give you one quick thing here because I promised it to you. And that's Bernie. So real quick summary of it is his main point was we've got to preserve democracy. Totally agree, 100% right. His second point was, look, Joe actually came towards us a little bit towards policy, right? All right, Medicare is not going to be for all, but at least going to move it down from 65

to 60. He's going to end private prisons. He's going to end cash bail. And he threw out a couple of others. I was like, it's a little bit of the way towards us, okay? Given that we didn't win, okay, okay, what are we going to do? But by the way, don't get me wrong. The answer to what are we going to do is immediately pressure him the minute after he wins, I hope, right? So it doesn't mean And they're like, oh, I'll just take him out his word that he's going to end private prisons. No, if you don't push him, he's not going to end private prisons. I'll be insane. And is it good enough to lower the age of Medicare to 60? No, we're going to push for Medicare for all no matter what. By the way, here's a preview for you guys. Do you know in the next two

years, Pelosi and Schumer, even if we have the House to send them the presidency, They will not allow a vote on Medicare for all. Then we're going to have real trouble. You know, everybody quoted John Lewis tonight. I'll quote John Lewis. I'll give you some good trouble if you don't have a vote on Medicare for all. Okay, so and right now they're definitely planning not to have one. So don't get me wrong, we're going to push. And then just finally, he was really the only one talking about policy.

Yeah, John, did Michelle Obama or any of them mention a single piece of policy other than Bernie? I think she talked about voting rights, which has policy implications, that's true. Essential and wonderful policy, it's the basics, it's hey. There was a bit about the response to COVID that implied to some. policies that could have been pursued? Weak, no. No, I don't mind those.

Don't get me wrong, it's not weak to talk about coronavirus. It's great and they should and all that stuff, right? And they should talk about the things that, but it's not real, like, don't get me wrong. Voting rights is like, yes, there is policy attached to it and it's absolutely, I'm telling you it's essential, I don't know how to make it clear than essential, but it doesn't go towards what do you do when you're in office and you, what are you trying to accomplish? If all you're trying to accomplish is to let everyone vote, that's too low a bar. It's essential, but way too low a bar. So that's it. I mean, Bernie was literally the only person who mentioned policy

and he mentioned it a lot, as usual. So, you know, in that sense, he wins the night again. Of course. I'm sure that all the outlets right now talking about Bernie's great speech. No, there was one, I'm trying to track down who. But Brianna mentioned on Twitter that one of the CNN commentators is like, I've never seen Bernie like this. He's talking about so many issues. I don't know who it was, but I just thought, wait, what do you have you ever heard? Do you know who he is? Have you seen politics? What are you talking about? That was the same species given every day of his life, even if there's nobody there. He just goes through it. But it's not surprising that now suddenly it's acceptable because it's in service of Joe Biden. Then we can hear him out a little

bit because he's not at risk of becoming president. But it is so consistent with everything that he said, it's frustrating to hear that. 100% super duper lasting. I mentioned earlier that the The upside of Biden was he really authentically does go to Cory Booker in the middle of a debate. That's the story Booker told and put his arm around him and say, hey man, you got some good ideas. We should talk that through and hey, you know, way to be and stay in there and stuff. And like coaching an opponent like that, it's weirdly nice. And that's why Bernie really likes Biden.

And it's true. But I alluded to a downside of that. And I wanted to make sure that I told you, the downside is Joe Biden is such a blank slate that in the middle of a debate, he's telling his opponent, Cory Booker, well, those are good ideas. I hadn't thought of that. Oh, Joe, you're running for president, you should have thought of all of that. And he just wants to be president, like 99% of politicians. Not to accomplish something, but to be president.

And honestly, I can't believe he's going to be. And I hope to God that he is given the current circumstance. And another macabre thought occurred to me in the middle of covering it tonight, which is, we just gotta get Joe to the election day. I mean, a disaster is if something happens to Biden, that's the one wild card. Oh, no, right? So yeah. Yeah, what happens if that happens after the convention? 2-2-2-2. What?

Yeah. I would actually need to look up what the procedure is for if that were to happen after the convention, but before the election. No, Kamlo would take it. There's no question. Is it? Yeah, this, look, you can look at it. I know Realpolitik. She would take it in a heartbeat, and the establishment would give it to her in a heartbeat. I agree with that, yeah. Yeah, but still, God, that's absolutely frightening thought. I don't want any wild cards going into the election. But now I'm just like, let's go, let's go. November 3rd can't come quick enough. All right, thank you, John. Thank you to all of you who watched.

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