The Young Turks - Peace Plan Skepticism

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

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All righty, welcome to the Young Turks, Jane Cougar, Jordan Yule with you guys. So a bit of a potentially historic day but hold. We have a peace offer, but hold. It's about Gaza, it's introduced by Donald Trump, apparently theoretically backed by Netanyahu But hold, and apparently backed by the Arab nations, but hold. So we're gonna give you all the details of that in a minute. And we're gonna discuss, is it real or is it not? And what do you have to look out for to see if it's real or not?

And then we'll have BB versus Tucker Carlson part 28, which is a nice little fight that I'm enjoying recently. And apparently the White House is annoyed that BB is taking on podcasters. come and get a big boy. So it's surprising, unsurprisingly, Netanyahu has not agreed to be on the Young Turks yet. And then, of course, there's a shooting in a Mormon church and so much more news.

So without further ado, because there has been some ado, let's get to the news, Jordan. Take a look at this. Today is a historic day for peace. I support your plan to end the war in Gaza, which achieves our war in. I also want to thank Prime Minister Netanyahu for agreeing to the plan and for trusting that if we work together, we can bring an end to the death and destruction that we've seen for so many years, decades, even centuries, and begin a new chapter of security, peace, and prosperity for the entire region. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has allegedly accepted the outline of Donald Trump's 20-point peace plan to end the war in Gaza.

That would immediately end the fighting force, the release of hostages within 72 hours, and create what Trump has dubbed a Board of Peace. But now the question is whether or not this plan is real or if it will once again be scuttled. What's in the plan? If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations including aerial and artillery bombardment will be suspended and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged Withdraw. Within 72 hours of the agreement being settled, all hostages alive and deceased will be returned. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence

and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries. Then what happens to Gaza? Well, the plan calls for Gaza to be redeveloped, yes. Sorry, before we get to what happens to Gaza, I want to take this step by step. So I'm gonna put two huge question marks here. There's more question marks to come as to whether this is real or not. And by the way, if it is real, and then we actually do it in the world,

I'll be ecstatic. But if it's a trick, we'll talk more about what it would mean to be a trick. But first here, within 72 hours of the agreement, all hostages will be returned. Remember, Israel violates every ceasefire. So far in these two years, they've never once followed a ceasefire. They'll follow it for a couple of days. And then after they get their hostages back, they immediately go back to bombing. They go, yeah, there was a Hamas dude that looked at us kind of funny, we think, maybe, and we're back to killing, right?

So if they get all their hostages back within three days, Hamas has no leverage anymore. and Israel can go back to violating it with some excuse. So that's a potential problem. We hope that doesn't happen. Number two is I don't want to gloss over the, that they're going to decommission their weapons and will be given amnesty and escorted from Gaza, the Hamas members, theoretically. And we'll talk a little bit more about this later again after Jordan gives you more of the details of the deal.

But is anybody really going to do that? Like members of Hamas are going to walk out in public with a weapon already they'd be killed instantly. But okay, let's say that this fantasy happens and they go, okay, Israel, I submit to you, here is my weapon, I turn it in. And now I will head to a different country where I'm sure you won't send in people to kill me, even though you send in people to kill people in every country. But not literally every country, but certainly any country you like, right? And the White House today complaining about how Netanyahu has bombed and invaded almost all of his neighbors. So that portion, I don't think it's going to happen for a single person. Like that's just, that's just saying to Israel, come kill me either right now or a couple of months or a couple of years later.

So if that's like a central requirement of the deal, oh boy, right? Because it's just totally unrealistic. And by the way, you could want every Hamas fighter to come in and hand in their weapons and to get killed or not to get killed and have safe haven't, whatever. You could want that. The question is what's actually going to happen? So I'm very worried about that stage. Sorry to interrupt Jordan.

So tell us more about the rest of it. Well, I think the question then is what happens to Gaza, right? And the plan calls for Gaza to be redeveloped for the benefit of the people. of Gaza, which of course raises a lot of questions. And it also says Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic apolitical Palestinian committee responsible for delivering the day to day running of public services and municipalities for the people of Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body,

the Board of Peace, which will be headed and shared by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including former Prime Minister Tony Blair. It calls on the Palestinian Authority to complete a reform program and eventually take control back of Gaza. The plan explicitly says no one will be forced to leave Gaza and those who want to leave will be free to do so and free to return. So it's a matter of trust there. It also says Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. Then the question of course is will Hamas agree to these terms presented to them by Trump and Netanyahu.

So far, Hamas hasn't signed on to this plan. In fact, they hadn't even been presented with this plan until hours after Trump's announcement. A senior Hamas official did tell the BBC that Hamas remained open to studying any proposal that could end the war in Gaza, but stressed that any agreement must safeguard Palestinian interests, ensure a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, and bring the war to an end. But the issue of total demilitarization is a sticking point. Asked about the group's weapons, the officials said, the weapons of the resistance are a red line as long as the occupation continues. The issue of arms can only be discussed within the framework of a political solution

that guarantees the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the 1967 borders. During their joint press conference Netanyahu addressed what would happen if they refuse Trump's plan? Take a look. If Hamas rejects your plan, Mr. President, Or if they supposedly accept it and then basically do everything to counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself. This can be done the easy way or it can be done the hard way. But it will be done. If Hamas rejects the deal, which is always possible, they're the only one left.

Everyone else has accepted it, but I have a feeling that we're going to have a positive answer. But if not, as you know, baby, you'd have our full backing to do what you would have to do. In reality, there's a whole lot of skepticism about whether Israel itself will stick to the plan. Harret's reporter Amir Teban wrote on X after the deal was announced, Netanyahu will face enormous pressure from within his colonel. in the next day to thwart the plan, to toughen its conditions, and to convince Hamas that it's a conspiracy. In parallel, there will be briefings by commentators on behalf of Netanyahu. Surely Amit Siegel has already started on how the agreement actually allows Israel to continue fighting Hamas and the withdrawal will never happen and the perimeter will be annexed and so on. These are the same tactics we've seen throughout the past year in all rounds of negotiations.

And they will be employed this time in an especially strong manner. The story is far from over. And prior to Netanyahu allegedly agreeing to this plan today, White House advisors privately admitted that Israel was the one holding it up. One Trump advisor involved in the plan said, The Arabs have agreed to it like 100%. Now we're waiting for the president to work his magic on. Netanyahu. Another official familiar with the peace talk said, everyone, and I mean everyone,

is exasperated with BB. Jank, it seems like a lot of question marks. It seems like there's going to be pressure from within Netanyahu's own coalition and some of these terms as presented to Hamas officials might not be mutually agreeable. How do you expect this will go in the coming days. Okay, so let's break down one by one to answer that question. So Tony Blair is a big part of this. Oh boy. Tony Blair is, we'll do historically will do anything Israel commands of them, including starting to Iraq war along with Bush and Cheney. And then they say that they will not annex Gaza. Okay, that sounds great. So if it's a good piece to guys, oh my God. And the Arab nations accepted and the Palestinians accepted, I'll accept it with Belzan, right?

So we're desperate to get the peace. So of course, again, the question is, is it a trick or not? So then you get to, well, you're leaving Gaza. Well, that's beautiful. It's critical, obviously. But then they talk about, well, I mean, obviously there's a security permitor that we need. No, not at all obvious. So if that's like a cheesy way of keeping a half, a quarter, a third of Gaza, then that's not a real peace deal.

That's saying, yeah, I came in, I slaughtered you guys, I took a bunch of your land, and I'm never going to leave. So the devil's in the details, what do they mean by it? And then, of course, will they stick with it? Number two or three, they say safe passage back and forth for the Palestinians. They can leave, and they can come back. Again, that's one of the things we're gonna have to see to believe because the Israelis have been trying to push them out of Gaza. So if they leave Gaza, they might not be able to return because part of the point of this

exercise for the Israelis was to take Gaza. So now they ran into a lot of trouble and here in America all across the world. And that is why the deal might be real because the Israelis are beginning to understand They're isolated by the world, and Netanyahu's got the entire world to despise Israel. So that is not in any way, shape, or form a good thing for Israel. When you do a genocide in front of the whole world and you rub the world's face in it, we have the power to do a genocide and there's nothing you can do about it. Well, that hurts Israel because it makes everybody dislike them and not want to work with them, et cetera.

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Now, unfortunately a lot of folks, certainly within the Israeli government, have lost their minds. They're detached from reality, they're genocidal freak. So they see that and they go, oh, we know it. They all hate Jews. That's why they won't let us murder Palestinian children.

It has nothing to do with the children. Who cares about them? They're some human, right? They must be because they're irrationally hate us, right? So in a lot of unfortunately Israeli supporters are just that detached and and ludicrous, and, you know, there's, so how do you appeal to that guy? Which then leads us to another problem. So especially the most ludicrous, the most insane people are in Israel's cabinet.

They're probably the most detached from reality on the whole planet. So they think they're the victims as they're committing a genocide. It's absurd. It's total insanity. Anyway, that cabinet then is now going to try to undermine this deal in every way. Because they have said very clearly Ben Gavir, Smotrich, and other cabinet members, no, we want greater Israel. We want Gaza.

We want the West Bank. Western Syria and, you know, southern Lebanon. And it goes on and on. It goes all through that map, goes all the way to Turkey, Saudi Arabia. So they are very clear. And they have also said we want to annihilate Gaza. That's our goal. So they feel like, we only murdered 65,000 at least.

And we only murdered 20,000 kids. We only wounded 166,000 people. We only leveled the entire place. Not good enough. Not good enough. We wanted to slaughter them all. So they're going to be very angry and they're going to look to undermine this deal, especially if it's a real deal.

Now, by the way, that's one of the things we'll be looking for. If they're not angry, Ben Gavir and Smortrich, then this deal is not real at all. If they're snickering or, oh, yeah, we'd love for Haman's to take that deal. It's a really good deal where we're going to leave Gaza, right? No, that means you're screwed. It's totally fake. Once they get the hostages back, they're back to the slaughterhouse, right? But if they're furious about it, that's a good sign because that might mean that it's real.

All right. And so look, issues of statehood, they say that. that you would put it on a track, God knows how long that track will take. Statehood is absolutely necessary. Full withdrawal is absolutely necessary. If we wound up with 1967 borders, oh my God, ecstatic. Remember, that means Israel keeps Israel proper, their safe haven for Jews, all the things they said they've wanted, they just don't get greater Israel, right?

They give that back. Again, it would be miraculous. This current Israeli government would never do that. uproot the settlers from the West Bank. And so that's another long story. So now, guys, the thing that I'm most, two things I'm most worried about was you saw that giant asterisk Netanyahu put on there in that video. Like now if Hamas, you know, winds up violating this deal in any way, shape, or form,

well, then of course it's off. We're going to have to deal the hard way where we continue to kill them and take their land. Well, I mean, if that's up to Netanyahu, he's going to say them breathing violates the deal. So you could drive a Mack truck through that loophole. I'm super worried about that. And then finally, Israel does this trick all the time. They've offered one good peace deal. Ehudor Mer did in 2008.

Okay, outside of that, they'll offer total junk, right? Like, oh, we keep this, we keep this, we can't. You guys have no rights. You'll never get a military. You'll never be an independent stay. I mean, you'll be independent, but you really live under our boot, okay? And okay, oh, we offered you a peace deal, you didn't take it. That's it, we're taking more land, we're killing more children.

We go kill, kill, kill, take, take, take, oh, what, we offered you a peace plan, right? And then they'll get American propaganda outlets, some of the media, the politicians, all to go, yes, Israel has, they're so holy and moral. The Palestinians made them, occupied them for 58 years, they made them kill their children. The poor Israelis are such victims. They wanted a piece, they just couldn't get to it. And they wound up taking more and more land. Golly gee, they didn't want to. So that's like the oldest Israeli trick in the book.

If this is that, then it's a disaster. And if this is that, Jordan, I don't think that Israel gets it. If this is a trick, and they think that they're gonna be able to trick the left way and the right wing in America and get back to us all complying with Israel's orders, then they've got a rude away coming for them. But I hope it doesn't go in that direction. I hope Trump is right. The Arab nations are on board and it's real. And it actually does most of the things that it says, then then we'd all be thrilled. Yeah, I think it is a miracle that there is even an avenue and a possibility for any sort of agreement when you consider that Israel has on multiple occasions

killed negotiators involved in any sort of peace talks in 2024, the strike in Tehran, killed one of the chief negotiators. And just three weeks ago in Qatar, Jank, they killed another the lead negotiator that they are even considering a deal is a miracle. And that I have zero faith based on Israel's actions. Netanyahu's leadership over the past couple of years, And the genocide that they are committing right now, I have zero faith that this is anything other than a ploy to hoodwink the Western press. And then like they said, if Hamas doesn't agree, putting in poison pills or changing the terms or shifting in rhetoric to, of course, inspire Hamas to reject any sort of deal, but that gives them a permission structure in the eyes of Western leaders

to finish the job. I hope with you, I hope it doesn't turn out like that. But I feel like that is inevitable based on Netanyahu's bloodlust. Yeah, so the last two things on it. So our guy, one of our members on t.yt.com, wrote him with a good point. Just like Putin, Bibi wants to give the impression of wanting peace without ever going through with it. And so of course, that's what we're all worried about. And it's like I said, a tired old trick of the Israelis at large. And then specifically with Netanyahu. in this two-year conflict, like Jordan pointed out, not only never actually follows through on anything he's promised, ever, the world's biggest liar easily by a lot, right? And that includes

like Trump officials, Steve Whitcroft, Jared Kushner, according to Axio saying, it's unbelievable how duplicitous he is. Like even super hardcore pro-Israeli folks inside the Trump administration Loathe Netanyahu because he's such a disgusting liar. He never means it, right? So they're all like, they're also on pins and needles. So like he said yes to what is theoretically Trump's deal. Does he mean it? Or is he going to not only betray the Palestinians, but betray America?

And as soon as he gets his hostages back, go back to a slaughterhouse. So if that happens, again, I think that Netanyahu will be in for a rude awakening. But that leads to my tiny bit of optimism here, Jordan, and I'm so afraid to say that because there's been so many fake peace offers by the Israelis, which is that if the Arab nations say yes, and they are the ones that are going to bring in the forces to run Gaza in the meanwhile, and this is another big if, if there's no nonsense about a security permit or they take a big chunk of Gaza and they actually do leave Gaza, okay, then that's real and I would be very happy with that. So like the propagandists on the other side will say like, oh no, you guys

support Hamas. They say that about everyone who criticizes Israel one inch, right? And you guys would love them to run Gaza. Of course, that's nonsense. Nobody on this side wants Hamas to run Gaza, right? If the Arab countries say Israel's not going to run Gaza and neither is Hamas. we're gonna have a neutral force that actually you know is fair all parties everywhere like jubilation so and the only reason so this is the ray of hope the only reason why I think it might be possible now is because Israel has become so deeply unpopular everywhere including America for the first time ever in my lifetime they now are under 50% for Americans saying we should

continue, that it is in America's interest to continue to support Israel. So that means there's an enormous chunk of Americans now, both left, right, middle, saying Israel's not in our interest at all. Why don't they, you know, get out of here. I don't want to give them any more money. And I don't know why we think that it's in our interest to alienate 1.6 billion Muslims and make them our enemies so that Israel can get more land and slaughter more people, not in our interest.

So now that the American people have begun to wake up, Israel's in a slight pen. Like, oh my God, they're finding out. They're finding out. We got to get out the room before they find out that they, we took $310 billion off of them. They've created all these wars for us to fight, that they've created all these enemies for us, et cetera. So you see what I'm saying, Jordan? Like, I don't know if there's guys like Derma who are not any morally better than Netanyahu, but are at least smarter and realize it's time to get the hell out of the room before they get caught. That that's my sliver of hope. Maybe you have more optimism than I do, I suppose. But I like I'm with you. I hope that there is some sort of positive outcome here. I just I based on the voices around Netanyahu, the pressure he will face in his own cabinet, in his own country, and his government. Of course, there are people like that. Maybe they're, they see the writing on the wall, but it just seems like they're using this to provide cover and give them justification for a complete and total takeover. I just feel like the promise from Trump last week, he's not going to let Netanyahu annex the West Bank. That feels like that's all on the table too, because the Western media and the legacy press here certainly wouldn't care. They would allow it to happen. They would use that they haven't been able to distinguish that these are two different parts of Palestine. You see so much of this just being wrapped up into October 7th language when the West Bank had.

nothing to do with it. So I feel like if that was their next move, or they did this concurrently, there wouldn't be a sufficient distinguishing point in Western media to highlight just how wrong that also is. Yeah, I mean, I'll just back that up real quick. So the Israelis are taking quarter E1 in West Bank, which separates West Bank into two different parts and makes it nearly unrucible for the Palestinians. So people are worried that that is, de facto annexation, the beginning of de facto annexation, right? And so we're, and America has not objected at all. So this idea that, oh, we're not going to let them take the West Bank, but also notice

what Jordan is saying, wait a minute, what does the West Bank have to do with Hamas? Hamas is not in the West Bank. So, and now we're having a debate about whether to allow Israel to annex the West Bank, which has nothing to do with Hamas and would be deeply illegal and would certainly lead to war. They're like, oh, well, now we're debating it. Why are we debating it? And that goes to the other point that Jordan made, Western media is disgusting.

They're total propagandists for the Israelis. So did you hear about E1 from any in mainstream news? No, of course not. Maybe New York Times and Washington Post might have written an article, but on cable news, nothing, nothing. Did you like, and if you said to them, hey, look, these Israelis look like they want to annex the West Bank. They're having a legitimate debate about it. And we think that's terrible a little bit, anti-Semite, how dare you?

It's your fault, you're the one who hates Jews. They get to do whatever they want, and if you never criticize them, we're gonna ruin your career by calling you an anti-Semite. That's the job of Western media at large, period. That's all they ever do. They never significantly criticize Israel, they're all afraid. for their jobs, they're all work for basically in essence for Israel. As we're gonna explain later in the program, it's going to be very literal soon when Larry Ellison buys half of American media and hands it over to Israeli control.

So you're not gonna ever get the truth from Western media. You will always get a massively pro-Israel bias that is the equivalent of propaganda for a different government. And then if you object and go, that's not objective, that's the least objective thing, that anybody's ever seen. The whole world agrees you are not objective. The whole world thinks you're doing Israeli propaganda. They'll go anti-Semite, fire him, fire him, fire him. Don't let anybody say anything against Israel. By the way, we're objective. So if you're looking for fair and real and honest analysis of this peace deal, do not turn to mainstream media.

They will definitely lie to you on behalf of Israel. So we're going to keep covering it. We'll see how the Arab nations react. We'll see if it has any degree of legitimate. And remember guys, super last thing on this for now is, even if it's genuine and they start, there are forces inside Israel, which is the majority of their cabinet, the majority of their government, that will try to undermine it even if it's real. And it'll work like overtime. And they will use all of their goons in American media and American politics to undermine a peace deal so they can go back to war, back to murdering Palestinians, back to stealing their land.

So that's the drama that's going to play out here. To actually land, if it's real, to actually land this bird will be a minor miracle. But let's all root for it, hope that it's real and hope that they can actually execute it. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break here, guys. When we come back, we have more on BB versus right wing media in America. I love that he's making that mistake. We'll talk about it when we return. All right back on TYJJ Jordan, Tricia breaks.

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Take a look at this. Well, we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we engaged. engaged, and the most important ones are social media. And the most important purchase that is going on right now is class. TikTok. TikTok, number one, number one. And I hope it goes through because it can be consequential. And the other one, what's the other one?

That's most important. X. X. X. In a friendly meeting with American influencers after an icy reception at the United Nations, Benjamin Netanyahu made it clear just how important TikTok will be for pushing pro-Israel propaganda. There is more where that came from. But first, Jenk, what is your initial take here?

Told you, that's my initial take. So we've been telling you on the young Turks and we've shown you politicians from both sides of the aisle, Democrat and Republican, Mitt Romney included, who said, oh yeah, we're trying to get TikTok, not because we're worried about China, but because we're worried that Israel is not getting enough marketing. So now, if this goes through TikTok and all the other outlets that he mentioned will be run by basically Israel. And so they'll be useless, they'll be trash. If and when that happens, we'll let you know, and then you should get off of those platforms

because a platform with Israeli censors couldn't be more useless. It's just a propaganda allude at that point. Now, Bibi's admission came after Deborah Lee, a Fox News commentator, asked him about the potential loss of evangelical and right-wing support for Israel, and their right to be concerned. Democrats are more likely than Republicans to express unfavorable opinions of Israel, 69% versus 37%. But Republicans' negative views are steadily ticking upward. That's particularly true of younger Republicans. In the last three years, the share of Republicans under 50 years old

who have negative views of Israel jumped from 35% to 50%. Netanyahu claimed that money from NGOs and foreign governments combined with the messaging on social media was fueling. the growing animosity towards Israel, and that they have to fight back. Take a look. How do we fight back? Our influencers, I think you should also talk to them if you have a chance to that community. They're very important. And secondly, we're going to have to use the tools of battle.

You know, the weapons change over time. You can't fight today with swords. That doesn't work very long. We have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields. in which we're engaged, and the most important ones are on social media. So we have to talk to Elon. He's not an enemy. He's a friend. We should talk to him. Now if we can get those two things, we get luck. We have to fight the fight, okay? To take, give direction to the Jewish people and give direction to our non-Jewish friends or those

who could be our Jewish friends. And there's a good reason why Netanyahu is so focused on social media right now and particular TikTok. For a while, people like Mitt Romney and other diehard defenders of Israel have complained that there's too much anti-Israel content on the platform. But that might not be a problem for them anymore, since Trump just greenlit a $14 billion deal that gives Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison partial control of TikTok. And he just happens to be the single largest private donor to the IDF. Oracle is reportedly to get 15 percent and be named the app's security provider. Now, not only will American companies like Oracle have

access to TikTok's user data, it will also have control of the algorithms that manage the kind of news, the messaging, and images that all of those users see. Last Thursday, Trump officials confirmed that the agreement gives the new US owners control over the coveted TikTok algorithm. J.D. Vance said, the US company will have control over how the the algorithm pushes content to users. We want the business to make decisions on content based on the interests of the business and based on the interests of the users. Also allegedly involved in the deal along with Ellison are billionaires Rupert Murdoch and Jeffrey Yes, who both have deep ties to Israel and APEC. So it feels like one of the most used

social media apps and an app that has been used for storytelling and showing people around the world what's happening in Gaza, the genocide that is occurring, Jank, that might be gone. People might have suddenly a blank spot in their algorithm for that type of content. What do you think? Okay, so I want people to understand what we've seen. And if you haven't seen it, I want to show you the Mitt Romney clip to give you a sense of what's going on. Before we get there, So I wanted to comment on the Netanyahu clip you guys just saw. So I watched a longer one and he says some things on that portion and some things in other portions. He also talked about, you know, there's new weapons of war.

You know, you heard him say, you know, we can't use the sword anymore. We cut out a portion where he said, you know, there's drones, but I don't want to talk too much about that. And that's because they're now using those drones, quadcopters, for random assassinations. I saw one online from a reputable source earlier today where they send a drone by a hospital and it shoots a doctor in the head. Why did they want to murder that doctor? I don't know, why did they want to murder over 65,000 Palestinians? And why do doctors, American doctors that go to Gaza talk about, oh yeah, there's an unbelievable number of headshots and chest shots from snipers on. children under five years old. So yeah, that's his new sword, which is just mass terrorism inside Gaza. So okay, now you turn to media. Now he says, look, that's

also an important tool for us. So we're going to direct all of our Jewish friends in what to say and how to defend Israel. So first off right there, that's a giant problem. Don't do that because now you're no Jewish people didn't ask you to do that, you're implicating quote unquote Jewish people with your barbaric actions. That is a disaster for Jewish people. So don't believe him that Jewish people are not getting their orders from stupid Netanyahu. Will some of them listen to him like Larry Elson? Of course, because those are pro-Israel zealots who are deeply racist and bigoted and they hate Palestinians. And so when they see the IDF murdering 20,000 Palestinian children, they're like, yes!

And they give a record amount to the idea of murder more Palestinians. So that's what they're all about. And those are the guys who are going to run TikTok now. But when so, but that does not represent all Jewish people at all. Please, please do not believe them when they say such outrageous things that drive up anti-Semitism. Okay, then he says now we're also going to direct our non-Jewish friends. In other words, the guys we pay on in politics and in media and they'll be equipped with their new propaganda before when you were seeing the unfiltered truth on TikTok, it was a huge problem for them.

And Senator Romney was among the politicians who weirdly, I guess they thought they're above the law, and there's no big deal, you could just admit the truth now, said this, watch. Some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, It's overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcast. So I'd note that's of a real interest. And the president will get the chance to make action in that regard.

Typically, the Israelis are good at PR. What's happened here? How have they and we been so ineffective at communicating the realities there and our point of view? That was also for a couple of reasons. One, thank you for the confession. Two, that's Romney, a Republican, and Anthony Blinken, of course, the Secretary of State for Joe Biden, a Democrat. And I, number three, I love how uncomfortable Blinken was. I feel like he was trying to like Morris Code with his body.

Like, don't tell him, we're trying to buy TikTok on behalf of Israel. Don't tell him that. We're pretending it's because of China. But he did tell us. And so now they were executing that plan. And J.D. Vance is telling you, now U.S., Israel will now continue. control the algorithm. And by the way, in the interregnum, between Romney's statements at that time and today,

where they're looking to buy it outright, the Israeli censors already got inside TikTok. So in July of this year, TikTok hired at a very high salary and former IDF soldier. By the way, an American, someone who as an American said, oh, I can't wait to serve the Israeli army, I love Israel, I want to go serve them, not America. I'm not going to join the U.S. military, don't be ridiculous. IDF, where do I get to kill Palestinians, right? So some person, like, and by the way, avowed Zionists, of course, and she's now the hate speech manager.

Guess what's going to be considered hate speech? Anything against Israel? Of course, of course. So they will change the algorithm to hide the truth and do Israeli propaganda, and I hope that if, nah, it's not even an if anymore, this is, and this is basically a, It looks like a done deal, it's certainly headed in that direction. Larry Ellison and his son who think that the IDF, I mean, isn't that amazing guys? Just pause there again.

They're giving money to a foreign army. That's their charitable contribution. And a foreign army in the middle of a genocide. Imagine if there were people who were like, you know what? The Germans just don't have enough money in the 1930s and 40s. We need to send them more money to poor German soldiers. They have not been efficient enough in running the trains on time. We need to get the Germans more money.

We would all be sickened and disgusted, right? I would hope so. But here are American citizens, incredibly wealthy ones, going, hold the IDF, your genocide is not big enough. Here, but take more money, take more money. Just pill, please, please. Just, oh, if we could just get Gaza in the West Bank. You guys disgust me.

But what I'm going to enjoy is TikTok, if that happens, TikTok crashing and being totally worthless and them losing billions of dollars, also Paramount, CBS, et cetera, when people go, why would I watch CBS news? That's, they're avowed Israeli propagandists. I'm not interested in Israeli propaganda. I know they think, oh, no, it's okay, we just call everyone an anti-Semite. We just go ahead and we ruin their lives and we fire them, we arrest them, you live under Israeli control completely.

But if you say it, then we go here an anti-Semite and you go complain about 20,000 dead Palestinian kids. Who cares about them? Say they're racist and the bigots. Oh, but it's okay, we'll just arrest you, deport you, whatever. But if you complain, that's okay, we own all the media. But by the way, don't say we own the media as we go to buy the media, but you're not allowed to say it because only we're allowed to control algorithms. Only we're allowed to control the media. And by we, guys, for the billionth time, I don't mean what they say.

Israel does not represent all Jewish people. Nobody called my friends, Jewish friends and family and said, hey, you guys want to buy TikTok to do Israeli propaganda? Hey, would you like to kill more palsy? They didn't do that, okay? No, these are pro-Israel zealots, total radicals who say, no, Israel above all. And if there's it, if they haven't killed enough Palestinians, here's $16.6 million. Here's, oh, you know what?

Here's billions to buy CBS and TikTok and all, and maybe CNN. And, oh, ha, we're going to get the Israeli censors in there. Okay, all right, thank you for admitting it. We appreciate it. We appreciate it. Anything that Ellison's buy will ignore. And so hopefully they'll have no value at all. And then we'll get to enjoy our lives without Israeli propaganda.

Donald Trump announced today that Benjamin Netanyahu has agreed to his 20-point peace plan in Gaza. But ahead of that announcement, officials within the Trump administration had reportedly had it with BB and his ongoing feud with some in the MAGA. media sphere. Most notably, Tucker Carlson. During his meeting with influencers on Friday, for example, Netanyahu has some harsh words for American conservatives who don't fall in line with Israel. Here he is recounting what one Christian influencer joked to him. Take a look. You said, we talked about the woke right. He said, I call it the woke Reich. That's a brilliant, the woke rife, because these people, you know, they're not any different from the woke left. I mean, they're insane, they're losing.

But they're actually meeting on some of the things. And what we have to do is we have to secure that part of the base of our support in the United States. That is being challenged systematically. A lot of this is done with money, money of NGOs, vast. Money of governments, laster. Okay, we have to fight back. On Saturday, his son, Yair Netanyahu also called Tucker Carlson Qatar's bitch and accused him of being obsessed about Israel, Jews, and Netanyahu.

According to reports from Axios, White House officials are fed up with the Netanyahu's family with the Netanyahu families wading into U.S. politics. One White House official said, we can't figure out what the guy is up to. Focus on Israel. Focus on Gaza. Stop getting involved in U.S. domestic political issues. Stop talking about Tucker. Stop getting influencers here to be your propaganda. It's not helping you. It's not helping Israel. And it damn sure isn't helping us get a peace deal. Jake, I think some of these comments coming out of the White House are a bit surprising. What do you make of it?

What I make of it is that they're losing their own base, and so they're in a bit of a panic. I mean, it doesn't get any more panic than saying that Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are the equivalent of the woke left, that there's no difference between us. Come on. The woke right, you're going to try to convince people that Tucker Carlson is fake right wing, And Benjamin Netanyahu is more America first than Tucker Carlson is. Well, good luck with that piece of propaganda. I wish you a lot of luck with it, okay? And so the reason why the White House is in a panic is because Netanyahu is coming in here

and thinking that he can boss social media around. He could boss the right wing around. But he doesn't realize they don't work for his buddies at Fox News anymore. Before, when you worked at a giant corporation and you're getting paid 20 million a year, 40 million a year to do Israeli propaganda, well, you know, you got those folks more locked up, right? Now they're online and they're getting their money from the actual subscribers and based on the size of their audience and they're not beholden anymore to a multi-billion dollar media corporation that is run usually by very pro-Israel executives, or people that have nothing to do with Israel,

but are scared to death that if they criticize Israel an inch, they'll be fired, and their lives will be ruined, and they'll be labeled hateful and shunned by the rest of the establishment, etc. So, and if you think there's no pro-Israel executives, we just showed you, Larry Ellison, who runs Oracle, is now going to buy CBS Paramount, maybe CNN. TikTok, et cetera, it's enormous pro-Israel zealot, who contributes to the IDF as charity. Like, it's unbelievable. So that's the situation in hand, and that's why he's losing that PR battle to Tucker Carlson. Look, this is happening everywhere.

We asked you guys, who do you think, who do you trust more? And so, BB or Tucker? Okay, and the idea that Americans on the left or the right are going to trust the leader of a foreign government over someone, whether you agree or disagree, clearly cares about America, right? I mean, there's a lot we disagree with Tucker on, but idea that Netanyahu is more pro-America. Oh, he doesn't care about Israel at all. I mean, he's the prime minister of Israel, but he's not concerned about them. No, he's really worried about doing the right thing for Americans. And because Tucker Carlson is objecting to taking $310 million from America and forcing us to give you more and more and more, forcing us to support a genocide, creating billions of enemies for us throughout the world, literally in the Muslim world. Because he objects to that, he's the woke right and that you should ignore him as trust the Israeli propagandist.

Well, that's why the White House is upset, Jordan, because that's a terrible strategy. That's, of course, not going to work. And in fact, before I let you respond to that, I want to show you one more thing. So we asked our folks on the website, that was a, that was an easy one, basically 95 to 5 saying, I mean, as, I mean, these are left wingers going, no, I trust Tucker Carlson more. But because why? Because we put them up against then Yahoo, right? And then on Twitter, where it's a lot more right wingers, I asked then, yeah, I was now saying Tucker Carlson's helping America's enemies by not bowing down to Israel. So who is more America first? That one was 91 to 9 Tucker Carlson. So, and, you know, one of our guys wrote in here, impeach for peace is a member on t.com.

You could also become a member at t.yt.com slash join, be part of the show. He wrote in BB's projecting because that's exactly what Israel's doing, using social media. and buying politicians to influence opinions on Israel. Absolutely. So when I, Jordan, when I saw him in the video going, you know, you got to look into anyone objecting about Israel, it's probably the money. Brother, you're telling on yourself, right? Of course, if we say that, then they go, anti-Semite, we're, let's talk about money. And you guys are getting bad funding from Muslims.

You should hate Muslims, hate all the Muslims, right? But you go, hey, it looks like you're getting money from Israeli zealots. they go, cancel him, cancel him, cancel him, cancel him. No one's allowed to disagree with Israel, right? Yeah, we're all sick of that crap, Jordan. Yeah, I think what this reflects in part is that the people making these claims, of course,

have an incentive to smear their critics, but also the people who believe it and the people who parrot it in the right-wing media who are still aligned to Israel or even just the broader Western press. Don't talk to regular people, people in Washington, don't talk to the average person. I know you have, I know many people watching this. I have, myself, have had many surprising, but I think good conversations over the past,

especially year or so with people who are now sympathetic to the Palestinian cause because it is undeniable what Israel is doing. Many conversations that I never thought I would have with people that I never thought I would have them with who are now turning on Israel because it's undeniable. And instead of recognizing that and acting on it and responding to the shift in public opinion in the United States, Western leaders, politicians, the media and Netanyahu, nope, we can't acknowledge it. We can't change course. The problem is TikTok. The problem is the vehicle. One of the vehicles that people are seeing the realities and the horrors on the ground. We can't let them see it. We have to keep

them from the truth. And to do that, we're going to allow right-wing billionaires and Israel-allied billionaires to control this social media app and prevent them from seeing the truth. It is Orwellian. They are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes in furtherance of a genocide. And people really need to sit with that. The consequences, the long-term historical consequences of allowing this to happen and deliberately obfuscating reality for people. Yep. So, but don't worry, if you say things that are true, you'll be called an anti-Semite and your life, they will try to ruin your life. But Israel doesn't control anyone in America, controlling the media, just Because they bought half of it? No. You guys are crazy. You should all be fired or arrested on

behalf of Israel. All right. We'll be right back. We have one more important story for you in the first hour when we return. All right, back on T-Y-T-Jang and Jordan with you guys. One quick super chat, Omar H. Rodin, thank you, Jenk, for standing up for Gaza. It's great to meet you at Arab Khan, you are the real independent news. Omar, thank you for saying that, thank you for supporting the show. We appreciate everybody who supports the show. We don't have a show if you guys don't support us.

So thank you for doing that. Again, you could do it through the joining or through super chat or a contribution or joining through tyt.com slash join. We appreciate all you guys. And I'll say one last thing, Omar, for all the folks at Arabcom care and all the places that I went to that said all these wonderful things about our coverage, you guys give me strength. So if you're wondering where I get the energy, et cetera, I get it from you. And I appreciate you so much. All right, Jordan, what's next? Take a look at this. I want to express our sincere condolences to the victims and their families and all of the members of this church who were gathering on a Sunday in the

United States of America to worship Jesus Christ. And a crazed gunman rammed his truck into the church and started firing at these innocent Americans. And as the president rightfully put in his true social yesterday, this appears to be yet another targeted attack on Christians. At least four people were killed yesterday after a gunman drove into a Mormon church, set fire to the building and opened fire on worshippers during their service. Now, Jank, this comes not even after 24 hours after another man in North Carolina shot into a crowd, killing three people and injuring another five. Before we get into the details, we'll note that obviously this investigation is still ongoing and new details. will emerge at any time. But this is what we know right now.

Hundreds of worshippers were inside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc Township in Michigan at about 10.25 a.m. on Sunday, when a man got out of a pickup with two US flags raised in the bed and began shooting according to law enforcement. The attacker also started a fire apparently by using gasoline. Two officers chased the attacker and exchanged gunfire after he left the church, killing him about eight minutes later, according to authorities. Three makeshift explosive devices were also recovered at the scene.

Two people were killed by gunshots and another two were killed in the fire. Eight others are injured with one person in critical condition. And we have a little bit more about the gunmen in a second. But, Jack, what were your first thoughts when you heard this story yesterday? First is, my God, we have to stop shooting each other. This is insanity. Number two is the motives now, of course, are going to be analyzed because people are going to want to attach political motivations and then blame everyone on whichever side this guy is

on. So in a minute, we're going to tell you which side he's on. But if you haven't heard yet, can you make an independent judgment on it before? or you find out which side he's on. And okay, so instead of just either hating him or making excuses depending on which side. So let's find out what he's about and then we'll come back and talk about.

So the gunman was identified as 40 year old Thomas Jacob Sanford who lived in a nearby town. According to reports, he served in the Marines from 2004 to 2008, including seven months in Iraq, Focusing on vehicle operations and maintenance and was discharged at the rank of sergeant, according to records released by the Marine Corps. Sanford was deployed in Operation Iraqi Freedom for just over six months, ending in early 2008.

He was awarded the Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal, C service deployment ribbon, Iraq Campaign Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Service Medal, and the National Defense Service Medal. He had also been stationed for a brief time in Japan and appeared to be an avid hunter and fisherman, according to USA today. Police are still investigating the motive behind the attack, but do believe this was a targeted attack. However, Burton City Council candidate Chris Johns actually gave a little bit of insight into Stanford after speaking to him a week prior while canvassing.

He said Sanford spoke quickly. It was one thing after another, as he shared about his time in Iraq and his struggles with drug addiction when he returned home. Johns said Sanford told him he moved to Utah at one point to plow snow and had a relationship with a woman there whose family was Mormon. They spoke about a number of things, including family, the Second Amendment, but when religion was brought up, things took a very sharp turn. Sanford began asking him open-ended questions about Mormonism, first asking how John's felt about the religion.

And the more questions Sanford asked about the topic, the more pointed they became, Johns said. He said Sanford asked him about the Mormon Bible, the role Jesus plays in the religion, the history of the LDS Church and Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of Mormonism and the LDS movement. Sanford's animosity toward the church didn't seem violent, John said. It was very much standard anti-LDS talking points that you would find on YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, but Johns said everything Sanford asked him about Mormonism led to Sanford declaring the religion as the Antichrist. Now, Chris Johns even stated during his 20-minute talk with Sanford, quote, there was no mention of anything right or left, blue or red, but he did note there was a Trump

Vance sign on Sanford's fence. And Sanford was also seen wearing a Trump 2020 shirt in this picture on Facebook. According to a database maintained by practical political data, Sanford also appears to have signed two petitions as a Michigan voter favored by conservatives. He appears to have signed a petition to curtail emergency powers that came amid a COVID-19 backlash to public health orders and Governor Gretchen Whitmer's handling of the pandemic. Sanford also appears to have signaled a petition supported by right to life of Michigan to restrict abortion access in Michigan. The database indicates. Now surprisingly, the Trump administration isn't using this event as an excuse to threaten the left like they did with the Charlie Kirkk shooting. On truth social, Trump posted, I have been briefed on the horrendous shooting

that took place at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc, Michigan. The FBI was immediately on the scene and will be leading the federal investigation and providing full support to state and local officials. The suspect is dead, but there is still a lot to learn. This appears to be yet another targeted attack on Christians in the United States of America. The Trump administration will keep the public posted as we always do. In the meantime, pray for the victims and their families. This epidemic of violence in our country must end immediately. And J.D. Vance simply put, just an awful situation in Michigan. FBI is on the scene and the entire administration is monitoring things. Say a prayer for the victims and first responders.

Now, Jank, maybe this is the time that prayer ends gun violence once and for all. Yeah, very unlikely. And so look, first, our hearts go out to those poor people. I'm going to tell you something terrible that happened there. So, you know, four people were killed, you know, earmuff the kids here. Two of them were killed by gunfire. The other two burned to death. So this is just horrific.

So why does somebody like do somebody do something like this? is, right? So, so he's wearing the Trump 2020 shirt and, and all the things that Trump, that Jordan told you about, and not just supporting Trump, but also pro-life, not the exact right way to go to pro-life cause, obviously, right? So should you blame all the right way? Well, of course not. That's preposterous, right? So why do we have so many of these shootings in, and it's not just the churches, and it's not certainly not just that, you know, I don't know if this is a white church, Mormons, they're probably white. But you remember, of course, the black church in South Carolina, the Dylan Ruth shot up.

You remember a couple of synagogues that were shot up by folks. So, and mosques that have been attacked as well. And so when you see all of that, is it really, quote unquote, yet another targeted attack on Christians? Well, I suppose it depends on what you mean by that. So that this guy target Mormons, it certainly looks like that. Is it part of a coordinated, targeted attack on Christians overall by some nefarious forces? No, not at all. And so that's why Trump and Caroline Levitt saying that is not at all helpful.

That's really, what it does is it drives up division and potentially hatred, et cetera. So in this case, if you just say, oh my God, these poor folks who were attacked, And this is outrageous and everyone has to stop shooting each other. Great, that's wonderful. Can we get a unifying message ever, ever, right? So in this case, he doesn't seem like he's connected to anything else. And so why do we have so many of these shootings at these religious organizations and the schools and everywhere else?

Well, number one, in this case, for example, I mean, I looked down and I was like, who hates Mormons? Who hates Mormons enough to shoot them? That's crazy, right? But the reality is we have a country of over 330 million people. So can you find a couple of dozen people who viciously hate Mormons? Yeah, I guess you probably could, right? But so every country has folks who hate a certain race or religion, et cetera. But then you layer in two other problems in America.

One is mental health issues that we never address. So, you know, I don't know how well other countries do in addressing mental health. I've heard that Europe does a lot better with it. Some Asian countries do better with it. We're miserable at it. So we just let it fester. Oh, you hate Mormons randomly. Okay, keep going.

And then of course, the number one unifier for all of these shootings is unsurprisingly, weaponry, guns. And so now you could say, oh, well, you know, he also used gasoline and fire. So it's not just guns, that's true. But there's not a lot of mass burnings going on, but there is a lot of mass shootings going on. So when you have some people, as you will in any country, who are driven by hate, and then you have mental health issues on top, and then you layer in an ocean of guns, well, that's a recipe for disaster, and that's the disaster we live in right now. I want to point out the rhetorical sleight of hand you're seeing from the right today. They're saying this is an attack on Christians. If you were to ask, I'd say most conservative, most MAGA Republicans, I'd say behind. closed doors, not on like Fox News, not on cable news. Whether or not they think Mormons are

Christians, I think most of them would distinguish the two. They have a term for LDS. It is Mormon. It's distinct from evangelical Christians, which is what they opt for, primarily in the MAGA movement. But you see here, you see Catherine, what is her name? The press secretary for Trump. You see Trump himself saying this is a targeted attack on Christians and they're trying to push this viewpoint and they're trying to push this narrative because they see this as an inconvenient situation for them as they politicize the past couple attacks or incidents or tragedies. And then you see reporting and the justifications in this EO. You see they're reporting from Ken Clippenstein, which you'll get into later. They're using these as springboards to crack down on the broader left in America. And they're using this to say there's a one-sided problem of political violence. And that's left-wing political violence.

Never mind the past 30 years. It has largely been and dominated by the right. Violence is bad no matter what. I think we can agree on that. I think our viewers would agree with that as well. But they're trying to spin this into a purely partisan problem. So by saying this is an attack on Christianity, it feeds into that narrative without them having to look at the fact that this guy was, by all accounts, a Trump supporter. And based on what we see is limited political engagement, conservative in viewpoint.

Guys, so for the folks who are blaming the entire left for any left wing shooter, we say that's absurd, right? So now when you have a guy who seems to be a Trump supporter shooting Mormons and burning them alive, do you see how absurd it is, no matter which side you're on, to say all Trump supporters want to burn Mormons alive? That's crazy. That's nuts. That's obviously not true, right? Also, when a left-wing guy does a shooting, the fact that he represents 100 million Americans

is absurd. Obviously not true. So here at the Young Turks, we keep hoping that one day logic is going to break out. Reason is going to break out. And we're going to realize we're not each other's enemies and we just stop shooting each other. And we're going to realize, oh, right, people causing all of our problems are not to the left of us or to the right of us or based on this religion or that religion or the other one. It's the folks who control our government, right?

And by the way, you shouldn't do violence against them either, right? But we should take political action to regain our government, regain our senses, and pass laws based on what the American people want so that we can actually address problems like this instead of using problems like this to divide one another and to hate one another. Stop going in that direction. And there might be a smidge less shootings, we hope. All right, we got to take a break here. Jordan, you're awesome. We appreciate you. So everybody's checking in the Surgeon podcast. rebel headquarters, every other show on TYT network, the Jordan's on. And when we come back, we've got a lot more for you guys, including a piece of good news. Business interest in New York are beginning to panic that super PACs aren't working anymore. Yes, when we return.