The Young Turks - Pelosi Blasts Biden

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Drop it like it's our hopes and dreams. Right, welcome to the Young Turks, Power Panel. Jake, you're John Iderola, Wazni Lombre. Waz is a senior staff writer at the Ringer. John is the host of the damage report, and we're live here from the Polymarket Studios.

Okay, so lots to get to. A lot of people have apparently figured out just now that Biden should have dropped out a year ago. Really? I wish someone had said that. I bet that that person and that show and that network would have been lauded, like, just celebrated everywhere for making such a trenchant point. So, okay, the Johnny Come Lately guys are the ones that are getting out of my skin. Anyways, let's have fun and let's get started.

Yeah, I love, I've heard the point made on a couple of like more centristy podcasts I listened to, they're like, nobody paid attention to the Democratic primary. And I'm like, I was listening to you guys, you never paid attention to the Democratic credit primary. What are you talking about? Everybody wants credit now. John, it's actually worse than that. I mean, we get into it in the middle of the stories, but I share Waz's laugh at that. And so I literally asked to go on those guests as a person in that primary, and they said, no, we don't want to cover the primary because we think Biden is the best candidate and we have to support him. How's that working out for you guys?

Well, not well, apparently, because now they're all pretending they knew it all along. I mean, that's galling, it's just galling. What if he never should have dropped out at all? What if he could have beaten him? Yeah, all right. That's my favorite one. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're gonna get into both in the first hour and the second hour,

different aspects of trying to figure out who is to blame. But we have a classic bit of blame game for you. Take a look at this. Yeah. Senator Bernie Sanders, he says that he has suggested that party leadership abandoned the working class. So what else are responsible? I mean, look, respectfully disagree with the senator and they think you can talk to unions. You could see the jobs that we've been able to create to disprove that.

And this is a president that cares certainly about the people who do get forgotten. The people who are not able to make ends meet. So how dare Bernie Sanders point out that the Democrats keep trying this and barring a pandemic? It never works, but he's definitely to blame. So anyway, he's trying to help the Democrats. That's literally all Bernie Sanders has ever done is to try to get the Democrats' heads out of their own behinds for just long enough to win an election, but as always, he's going to be attacked, him and progressives.

It's a favorite hobby of the ruling class, blame the progressives when the progressives have literally never had a nominee of their own. Here is what Bernie Sanders said that is leading to so much scorn, he said it should come is no great surprise that a Democratic Party, which has abandoned working class people, would find that the working class has abandoned them. First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change and they're right.

Will the big money interest and well paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful oligarchy, which has so much economic and political power, probably not. And look, we can have a conversation about stances that Harris took or things that Biden passed or tried to pass.

And you can question whether abandoned is exactly the right word, but he's definitely on to something. And coming out of the results of Tuesday, the fact that there's not even an attempt to pretend to be willing to hear him out or learn anything in advance of the next election. I find that to be very frustrating. And as we go to discuss this, why don't we bring up a breakdown of income brackets, broken down by vote from 2020 to 2024, and you can see that people making less than $50,000 a year switched fairly significantly towards Donald Trump.

And if you believe that this is an election, which was fundamentally about an assessment of whether Biden had delivered and whether the current financial status quo, the people were experiencing was tenable. That chart seems to indicate that no, people who were suffering the most gave it a try. They sent Biden to the White House and they just didn't think that he'd done enough. Yeah, so a couple of things here. First, I want to address the core of the issue, which is the fundamental misunderstanding and miscommunication between the different branches of the Democratic Party.

So you've got the establishment wing represented by every Democratic politician outside of about a handful of people, obviously not including Bernie Sanders. You've got every pundit on television, like I think literally everyone, right? And then you've got the populace wing, right? The Bernie Sanders 2016 wing. And so, but beyond the wings, you also have the American people that are in that Bernie 2016 wing, for a reason I'm gonna explain in a second. So for the folks that are in the establishment, they're generally are doing really well,

whether they're on television, they're a Democratic politician, et cetera, or they're just mainstream Democratic voters and they're upper middle class. So when the Joe Bidens and the Barack Obama's of the world give them 5% to 10% change, they're like, oh, this is amazing. Our lives are already fantastic, and these beautiful people have given us another 10% positive change. what else can people ask for but they can't understand that the majority of Americans think the same thing Bernie did in 2016 which is wait I need like 50 to 100% change

because I'm not doing spectacularly well I can't afford a home when my parents did I'm having trouble paying the rent to begin with student debts crunching me I can't leave my job because I need the health care from the job otherwise I I might lose a family member like corporate rule is crunching 60% of the country that lives paycheck to paycheck and can't you know handle a small financial blip so that's why the two sides don't understand each other like the people in the establishment are like oh my god you ungrateful progressive populist what is wrong with you people I mean what do we have to

give you 11% change right whereas the other side's going brother, you took $15 minimum wage out of the first bill on the first day. So what part of that was trying? You didn't lift a finger for paid family leave. You didn't even propose public option. You didn't propose the pro act, which is the union bill. You didn't do any of these things. And you want to pat on the back?

You think you represented the working class? Look, I love that Bernie's back. I hated the four years. He was in hibernation where he had the wrong, wrong strategy. and as much as we love the brother, I called them out on it, and then we burn bridges because our job is to be honest with you guys. So this idea of like bear hugging Biden and hoping that it was literally, in the progressive caucus, it was literally called the trust Biden strategy.

And I told you guys here on the show, and I'm sure tons of you remember it, the world's worst political strategy. It just totally fundamentally misunderstands politics where you have to build leverage and then use leverage. If you don't use your leverage and you just trust someone to do the right thing, you're giving the game away. So they trusted Biden to give us 11%. And then he gave us 9%. No, this, none of this matters. You have to go and actually do something really aggressive to help the American people who need a lot of change. And the thing is, I'm glad Bernie's back in fighting the good fight and calling out the Democrats after with the terrible.

failed strategy of trusting Biden. But guys, these corporate Democrats are never, ever, ever going to turn around because they're not on our team. They're consulting classics, 15% of all the money they raise. That is why they care so much more about raising donor money and pleasing the donors than actually literally winning elections. Our priorities to win elections, their priorities to raise as much money as possible so they could buy a larger house in Fairfax, Virginia.

was. So if for the, for the viewers out there, what you just heard from the quote from Bernie that John read to us and the young Haitian lady who is a Biden's press secretary are two opposing views of what has happened. One of them has to be right. You have Bernie's view, which is that working class, non-college educated Americans, literally he said it started with the whites, which is true because people don't remember this, but Barry won the white working class in a majority.

That actually freaking happened, right? Started with them, but now they're leaking Hispanic working class, Latin, whatever we're calling it, black people in the working, the working class is general, and they're leaking them because that class of Americans, is intuited that the Democrats aren't doing anything for them.

That's one theory of the case. The other theory of the case posited by and represented by the press secretary, which I'm sure is the view of every single establishment Democrat in existence, is that no, the Democrats actually have delivered in droves for these folks, but they're too stupid, too racist, too sexist, too frothing at the mouth, knuckle-dragging Neanderthals to realize it. You guys tell me which one you think is true. I got to say, I think that Waz's description of that is exactly right.

If you think that they don't think that way, you're wrong. They do. They're so elitist and they don't realize it. When you tell them about elitism, like when you ask a fish about the water and he says, what water? They go, what elitism? I mean, you guys are all racist, sexist Neanderthals. So I don't know what elitism you were talking about.

Of course I didn't have to deliver for you. You had to deliver for me. I don't know what elitism you're talking about. A couple bits, at least from my point of view of good news, is that you, Waz just sketched out those two different potential explanations. The answer is kind of the same, whichever you think it is. Whether they're too racist or sexist or whatever to see it, the answer is still to deliver more until they see it.

And look, I do think some people are driven by that sort of stuff. But I also think that when people are put in difficult economic circumstances, that's how some people are gonna lash out. I think that's one of the reasons that a lot of young men are starting to dabble in fascism is a sense of hopelessness. I think it's terrible, I don't wanna see it. But I think that this is historically the answer and not just in the United States context. I also think one other bit of good news for everyone is that the Democrats are gonna have

another chance very soon to see if they can get it because people threw Trump out because they felt that he hadn't delivered for them. Then they threw Biden out because they didn't think that he delivered for him. Donald Trump definitely is not going to deliver for them. He is going to wreck their finances with tariffs. He's going to hand trillions of dollars of the richest people in the country. We are going to descend into daily chaos and drama that is going to drive everyone absolutely insane. And so in the next couple of years, let's see. People are going to be ready to throw them out once again because they're not going to be any better off. The only question is will Democrats finally get the answer or right now will one of the Democratic governors that's plotting how they can run on a return to normalcy in two and a half years?

We'll be able to just like barely squeak by where Kamla came up short. And I just want to remind everyone, in the cases where Democrats have won, how did they win? How did they get in? Like, we know with the hindsight of how Joe Biden was, he did a couple of good things, like he tried to cancel student loan debt, a few other things. But we know that what he delivered was not much. And we look back on Obama and, ah, he really did not make good on the promises that he made when he ran. But he got elected on those promises.

People found them to be very, very appealing, as Woz pointed out, the white working class was like, hell yes, give me that. And they were willing to vote for a black candidate. And, you know, I definitely, look, people are breaking down the misogynated different groups. I definitely think that that's a part of this. But like this, the same Latino men who seem to have rejected Harris voted for Clinton at far higher rates just eight years ago. 31%. And she was a woman too.

And so it's not to say that all of these are factors and all of them intersect. But the answer still seems to be you have to deliver. You have to make promises and you have to deliver on them. Yeah. So let me give credit to two different people here. So yesterday we were talking about how Hillary Clinton won Latino men by 31%. 31 points. And Kamala Harris lost them, startling how sexist they became in eight years. Okay. And then Edwin made a terrific point, which I stole on the show yesterday, but I'm going to give him credit now. He's like, the president of Mexico is a woman. What are we talking about here? This is absurd, right? I mean, really. Really? And also, if we're going to go with the stereotypes that they're now using, it's that these Latinos are hyper-Christian and hyper-sexist. She's Jewish. Guys, it's a Jewish woman who the Mexican people elected. So this stereotype of Latino people hot-blooded, they can't stand women. They're so crazy for Jesus. They elected a Jewish person. I'm sorry. This is ridiculous. I do wanna say, look. That's a great point. I hadn't thought of that either.

Actually, I didn't even know that. I do wanna say, and maybe I'm different from both of you, I do think that some of these things are factors. I do think that some, I mean, you can look at how people are celebrating online. I think that misogyny, I think that racism, I think that, I think these are factors, I just don't think they're the largest factor. And I also don't think, even if you think that is a thing, how do you directly change that? Like, how do you can, like if you think it's 10 million people are voting purely based

Well, that's very hard to fix, but you can fix the other big chunk that votes on the economy or votes on their personal finances. Again, the diagnosis, I think is interesting and necessary, but I don't think the solution is all that complex. Yeah, so John, I'll answer your question. I'm absolutely positive about it. Is there some misogyny and racism and sexism in the country that would have prevented Kamala Harris from getting some votes?

Of course. Were those people likely to be on the fence or were they always going to vote for Donald Trump? They're less likely to be on the fence, right? And so why that Hillary Clinton stat is indisputable. If Latino men are sexes, why did they favor Hillary Clinton by 31 points? No, obviously that's not what changed. That factor maybe is a constant and maybe is a certain percentage, right? But it's obviously not the biggest percentage, I'm talking about all the races,

of sex and et cetera, and it obviously didn't hurt Hillary Clinton with that exact demographic at all, but Kamala Harris lost that demographic. You shouldn't be blaming the demographic, you should be blaming the candidate and the party that lost those people. It couldn't, you see what I'm saying, John? If it was Latino men's sexism, then did they really get preposterous? sexes over the last eight years? It's not that, guys.

That's not what I'm saying. No, I'm saying that's why it can't be the largest factor. Yeah, yeah, and again, they only really fast. I just want to say, because I know a lot of people, like, I've spoken to multiple, like, multiple women who've been like, no, I'm not surprised by this, this is a thing, it exists, so I'm not going to try to deny that. But I do agree that it is a thing, and it was also a thing with Clinton.

That is a part of it. And to the extent that culturally, it can be fought back against, I think it should. I think it's super hard for a candidate inside of a presidential election to fix that, which is why, you know, do what you can in that area. But I think the large group that are more persuadable are persuadable on other things. I got more. I think, I think the last thing I'll say about this, I think what you guys are talking about is an elite liberal projection. The people who literally refer to folks will refer to an individual as a cisgendered white male straight like literally micro freaking identities assigned to a person the people

who live that ideology are now projecting that on the electorate people don't see the world that way people don't see themselves as a latin male straight person first and then go out and apply that to every single thing they encounter in the world, meaning Tomlin Harris is an Indian, black, straight, interracial, like people don't view the world that way. Yes, I'm sure there are individual people out there like, I will never cast my vote for a woman or I will never cast my vote for a white person, but or a black person, excuse me. But this idea that voters are this identitarian, I think is a projection. They're just not. And I think the Latin vote should just teach people about this. Because if that's what it was, it's like, well, you're Latin and Donald

Trump clearly hates Latin people. How the hell are you doing this? That's not how they view this thing. That's how elite liberals view everything. Well, look, that might be for some elite liberals. I would say, I think there's always, there always tends to be a lot more focus on how Democrats play identity politics than Republicans. A lot of Trump's campaigning implied to me that either here is campaign infrastructure sure thought there was something that they could play with with these different groups. I mean, the fact that they targeted like trans people with more ads than literally anything else implies to them that they don't think that the economy is the only battleground that

they wanna wage war on. They were trying to make explicit appeals to men because they thought that there was something there. They clearly thought that breaking down the general American voters into different demographic Slices had some sort of pragmatic political advantage to them. Yeah, no, no, of course Republicans play identity politics too. But guys, look, if you offer people a campaign and policies, et cetera, a theme that they like and love, they're going to vote for you.

It's not that complicated. So, I mean, look, so Barack Obama was black, all right, so, and he had an 83% approval rating during his first inauguration. So apparently the country was okay with it to some degree. His middle name is Hussein, Barack Hussein Obama. I don't, there isn't any more group that's hit more hated than Muslims in this country. And he still won twice. He still had 83%.

It's to the point we were making. In Mexico, they have a Jewish female president. So why did she win? And she won easily. She won crushingly. Why? Because she had a really popular economic plan, which is very similar to Bernie Sanders plan, right? And so, look, there was a female prime minister of Turkey.

And I don't think anybody's got, you know, anything on us on machismo okay and so you know mustache twirling turks can have a female prime minister it's because she said things that were popular and people liked and so what i'm worried about john isn't that acknowledging that their misogyny and racism makes sense of course they do and of course they affect some people but i'm worried that people are using it as an excuse okay like oh we don't have to change anything and we didn't do anything wrong and and and and and and Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and all these and Hillary Clinton are gold. It's just that the voters are sexist and racist and it's their fault.

No, that's just an excuse. And you're just trying to cope. So look here, I'll read a couple things here. And David doesn't agree. Some of our members, David says, you guys are, I have black friends defending these people. David, I don't know what that means. Wise, you got black friends? I don't, I don't, I just, it's got nothing to do with the people that they're friends.

with, I just don't think most people move through the world interacting with people and hyper breaking them down into their individual identity groups. And they don't conceive of themselves that way. That's not how they move through the world. That's just how we talk on Twitter. Yeah. I mean, look, that wasn't our black friends. Was is black. I don't know brown friends. I am brown. Okay. Anyway, so Durge said Trump and Obama, of both one running on change, Democrats do not want to learn that lesson. Exactly right. Love how smart our members. And last one for now is progressive austy said, and by the way, guys, hit the junk button below, be part of the show. I love how smart these comments are. Or actually,

we got 20% off on t.yt.com if you want today. Progressive Aussie said, politics is no different than sales. If you don't offer a compelling message to the buyer, they won't buy. You can't blame the buyer for not buying. If you don't change your message, you're Business goes under, sales 101, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Yeah, and everyone should bear in mind, like Barack Obama got elected after two terms of Georgia, like, honestly, it's something I've been thinking a lot about. George Obie Bush got elected by the narrowest margin. Literally, he didn't even really win. He just got to win anyway.

Disasterous presidency, the Patriot Act and tax cuts for the rich and led us into disastrous wars. And then somehow got reelected and it was super dark times. I remember I was in college and then Barack Obama ran and by the way, Barack Obama, I mean, even in his second term, but especially in his first, he pulled way more votes in the electoral college than Donald Trump, had a way bigger advantage in the popular vote. I know everybody is racing to call Donald Trump's win a landslide. It's nothing compared to what Barack Obama was able to do. Hell, he's gonna have within a couple electoral college votes of Joe Biden, a win that nobody

called a landslide and Joe Biden definitely will have a way bigger lead in the popular vote. So, yeah, look, again, all I've been advocating in terms of solutions is running in the model of those, of Bernie Sanders, of Barack Obama, of even kind of Joe Biden in 2020 when he portrayed himself as a progressive who's going to shake things up. That is what people have found appealing. That is what people have backed historically. 2016 Bernie, it was a winning formula. We had it. Bernie was up by 12 against Trump on Election Day. Yeah, a campaign might have knocked a couple of points off, but it would have knocked a couple of points off. but it would have knocked a couple points off of Trump too. Look, I think somebody online said this in regards to one of my tweets is so true.

Left wing populism is the answer to right wing nationalism. So we've got to get there immediately and do not listen to establishment Democrats. We're going to tell you, no, no, no, this time we got it. This time, we're going to pick someone even more corporate and that'll solve everything. That's what they're going to do. You know they're going to do it. That's what they're going to do. They're gonna say we need to be more Republican. That's going to be there.

By the way guys, we need to be Republican light. They're not gonna say that. They're saying it on TV right now. At least this time we technically definitely get to have a primary. I mean, it's gonna be biased in all the ways that it always is, but at least this time they kind of have to at least let us have a primary. The party of democracy. Everybody knows they love democracy y'all. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, yes. Okay, a lot more to get to. Let's take Take a break. We'll come back with more. also gifted five memberships, so we appreciate you. All right, John. Okay, let's have a little bit fun. Nancy Blosie is back and she's pointing some figures and Biden is not going to take this

well because she's indicating that maybe he should have dropped out sooner, which I think a lot of people are probably thinking these days. She said, had the president gotten out sooner, there may have been other candidates in the race. The anticipation was that if the president were to step aside that there would be an open primary. And as I say, Kamala may have, I think she would have well in that and been stronger going forward. But we don't know that. That didn't happen. We live with what happened. And because the president endorsed Kamala Harris immediately, that really made it almost impossible to have a primary at that time. If it had been much earlier, it would have been different. I mean, it would have been in almost any, it would

have been difficult to have more than a week long primary regardless, even if he hadn't done that. But look, it's interesting to like agree with Nancy Pelosi, but not really at all. I also agree that he should have dropped out sooner, but she thinks seemingly that that would have just led to maybe a different sort of centrist alternative to Harris or Harris, and nothing fundamentally different about the way she runs or the way Biden was president, but she has a bit more time to introduce herself, and maybe you guys disagree, that just doesn't seem like enough to reverse the numbers that we saw. It would have been helpful, certainly, but the problem fundamentally wasn't just

a little bit more time, it was the legacy of Biden, what he delivered, what he didn't, and outside of the first month or so, the way Harris chose to campaign and what her focus was as a candidate. Yeah, I have a completely different take than you, John. I understand that I'll get back to what you said, but my take is, yeah, I wish somebody would have told us this about 14 months ago. And so, look, you were too busy doing something to tell them. I don't I remember why. Yeah. So look, we showed you the clip yesterday of September 2023, we started petition to get

Joe Biden to drop out. But remember, if I start that petition in my basement, it doesn't go anywhere. You all signed it, right? So you guys were right. You were right before anyone else. And what happened to all of us who were right about how Joe Biden need to step down? And then remember, I would say over and over again, he's got to go now so we can have enough time for a primary and we don't just anoint the next person.

We were exactly right and right. So what's so frustrating about that now is the Johnny come lately, he's like Nancy Pelosi and let's be honest and I'll say it, Pod Save America and a lot of these other people going out, oh, you know what, did you know that Joe Biden should have dropped out earlier? Well brothers and sisters, when I said that, all of you said, you're being ridiculous. Joe Biden's the best possible candidate against Donald Trump. Joe Biden is young and dynamic. Joe Biden is great.

So then why didn't you, okay, number one, all of the other talk show hosts, I'm sorry, but please don't come at me with, oh, I guess Joe Biden should have dropped out a year ago, as if you're on the right side. You were definitively, ridiculously on the wrong side. Not only did you say that Joe Biden shouldn't drop out, but you criticize people who said he should. So don't come at me and tell me now, oh yeah, Kumbaya, oh, we just figured it out. And oh yeah, we're the ones pointing out.

No, you're not. No, you're not. You're the ones protecting Joe Biden. So that's just a stone cold fact, okay? Almost all of them. And guys, forget Pository of America, which is just an establishment show. So it's not surprising that they were now they're. And notice, by the way, every establishment show, whether they're on mainstream media or online, they're only honest after the election.

After the election, they go, oh, yeah, what we should have done a year ago is the thing that I told you we shouldn't do back then. Okay, okay, then be honest, can you give me, at least give me a mayor culpa. Forget me, forget whoever else was right, forget our audience. Can you just say for once like, oh, we were wrong instead of pretending now that you had it figured out? It's absurd. And guys, what's worse of all is I'm this one, I'm not going to name names, but I ask progressives to go on their shows to make this point about Joe Biden so we could get

to a better place and maybe even pick a progressive in a primary. And a lot of them said, no, Joe Biden is the best candidate, and we will not have you on because you could hurt Joe Biden. So are any of you going to apologize for how wrong you were and how you helped to cost us the election? So Nancy Pelosi, the fact that she's acknowledging we were right, now she's not acknowledging we were right, but she's saying the same things we said 14 months ago, I'll take it. I appreciate she's at least being honest about it now.

And she earned a lot of credibility by trying to help push Biden out and was the number one factor in pushing him out. It was late, but my gosh, she had a big effect, so thank you. So that I distinguish her because she actually took action, right? It might have been late, I wish she took it when we took it, it could have made a difference, but at least she did the right thing. So, and it's a weird thing to be on the same side as Nancy Pelosi. But there's a lot of people who lied to you throughout the entire process and are now pretending

to have like come to Jesus moment, right? Right? So please spare me. John, real quick, to your point, if we had a real primary, we could have had progressives and populace in the primary. And they could have taken different positions. Maybe you would have one progressive that was like. Yeah, that was more leftist, for example. But I'm not against having the primary. I'm saying with how late he dropped out, how long could the primary possibly have been a week? Well, no, look, guys, this is, I explained this all throughout and you guys all saw it with your own eyes, right? I said, we got to go now 14 months. ago because otherwise we can't have a real primary. And then I joined the primary when no one

else would. Like get in the race now, get in the race now, right? At that point, it still was possible, right? Then the primaries concluded, now we're in desperate grounds. Yeah, right? Absolutely desperate grounds. But even at that point, the reason Pelosi and Obama didn't endorse and why they're mad at Biden today for endorsing Kamala Harris right after he dropped out is because Biden was shiving them. He knew, they all knew Kamala Harris was not the right candidate. So that's why they didn't endorse her. And so when Biden endorsing her was not like, hey, I'm on the team and I'm endorsing Kamala Harris because I'm doing the right thing.

No, he was saying, screw you, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama. Watch this. I'm going to endorse her and that's going to make it inevitable. Ha ha, ha. If you didn't want to lose with me, now you'll lose with hers. And so what was the alternative? What I said, as her client said, so many other people said, which was Go to the convention and do a convention.

That's literally what we did every time. But what happened? You saw it with your eyes. Everybody panicked. No, Jake, no, you got, it's got to be Kamala. It's got to be Kamala. You remember Blue Maga? Blue Maga lost their mind at the idea that it might not be Kamala

and that we might have a choice. They're like, no choice for you. It's got to be the anointed. And that's what they did. And again, a monumental mistake was. I think if Biden I think I wish Biden would have kept his promise from his 2020 campaign of being a one term president and a transition a transitionary figure or if he was going to quit on the campaign. I think he should have just resigned had Kamala be in the office actually making decisions, actually having people see her in the deceit. And she wouldn't be beholden to the sitting. president, she could actually run a campaign and be like, look, Joe was doing all kinds of Netanyahu ball fondling. I don't do that. Look what we're doing, not that I'm in here. Joe was, you know, he was doing

all of this stuff in Ukraine. I don't do that. I'm doing X, Y, Z. Joe was, you know, kind of resting on his laurels on this. Like, that to me would have been the best thing. If he would have just straight up quit, which obviously would have been the right move because he's out on his skis. And let Kamala be the president. This was ultimately going to be his late ass move. Yeah. I mean, I think the constant across all of these is he just should have dropped out much sooner. Or really not even dropped out.

Like Woz said, he said he would be transitional. He effectively lied to us. Like he just, he should have ran once. And that's it. And then the next generation comes in. So that it's not just like Harris trying to figure out a way to pitch herself as not being tied to Joe Biden. It's a whole bunch of people who can make a variety of different cases that they're coming in with different ideas and everything. And unfortunately, that's not what we got.

One last sentence. I hate to break your heart, but the rest of media is lying to you about a hero worship of politicians. Oh, Kamala Harris is so great. You should all bad down to commerce. She's flawless. She's flawless. She even got Queen Lativa on her side, right? No, 99% of politicians are ego maniacs.

Yes. They don't care about anyone but them. themselves, the rest is mythology. to assassinate Donald Trump ahead of the election. This is a 51-year-old Afghan National who is believed to currently reside in Iran and is still at large. So here are the details that they provided. He was apparently tasked in September with, quote, surveilling and ultimately assassinating

Trump, per the DOJ. On October 7th, he was told to provide a plan to assassinate the former president within the following week. If he couldn't, the effort would be paused until after the election. An official in Iran's Revolutionary Guard said Trump was expected to lose the presidential race and it would be easier to kill him then and so they're obviously they're talking about how they're investigating this and there's other people wrapped up in it we could definitely talk about that and Jake I know you have thoughts I'm

confused about some aspects of this I don't know why it was so critical in the week following October 7th that it be done and also not entirely sure why if he if you hate him and oppose him if he doesn't win it seems like it would be much less necessary even from your own point of view to at that point take him out. So I'm confused by the plan, but this is what's being presented by the Justice Department. I'm going to say something a little controversial. I don't believe it. I flat out don't believe it. So now let me give you context. Now, and I'll be clear, I'm going to separate out facts, what we know, and what my hypothesis is. Okay. So now, right as Trump wins, and Netany

who would like to attack Iran and believes that Trump might let him, we get a story that would maximum anger Donald Trump, someone trying to kill him, harm him, especially after he got freaked out understandably by those assassination attempts. And they say, and the culprit is Iran, Donald Trump. Don't you want to do something about Iran, Donald Trump? Okay, maybe, maybe Netanyahu got super lucky, just as Trump won. Oh my God, that's when they caught the Iranian agent who was going to try to kill Trump. And poor God, that would help Netanyahu start that war so much.

Another stroke of luck by Netanyahu. Maybe, maybe, because I don't know. I don't have the evidence. I'm not a right-winger telling you a conspiracy theory and, oh, I know for sure, and it's the frogs. No, I don't know. I don't know. But I do read into it. I read into the guy and I'm like, okay, let's see what kind of guy is.

He's been an informant before. He's informed on other Iranians, I believe, and he had like a bizarre reason for that. He's served a lot of time in prison. Like super sketchy guy comes up with, I had a plan. I'm not in America anymore, so you can't do anything to me. But we, he's gone, but he had a plan. to kill Donald Trump. And God, we should all be furious at Iran.

Maybe, maybe, but yeah, I told you what my opinion is. My opinion is, I don't believe them. Was. One, yeah, I have a hard time seeing the credibility in this. If they could provide some actual evidence that people in the higher reaches of the Iranian regime, were behind this, and I'd be all ears, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the present moment. And, you know, I think it's weird to think that, like, these people who have been in power for something like, it's been like, what, 50 years now since they kicked the Americans out of Iran. They're like, there are a lot of things.

You can say they're a lot of things, but you can't say they're incompetent. And this idea that they would have this, you know, Kakamemi plan to assassinate Donald Trump is ridiculous. And then secondly, I mean, Donald Trump did assassinate one of their military leaders. That happened under Donald Trump's, you know, presidency. And so the idea that they might want to get some get back, that seems pretty reasonable to me. Look, I understand the logic of that. We don't want it, obviously. And but so that's why I thought, well, it could be.

That's why I thought, like, I don't know, maybe it is, right? Maybe they wanted to get back at him, right? But they had this bizarre plan to only do it for a week and they thought of it at the last second and they hatched it like. Why the week, why the week, why last second? And if this story is anywhere near true, and one of you guys said the critical part I think was it, they have no evidence connecting it to the Iranian government. They're just claiming it like, oh, this guy was going to do it and we think he's connected

to the Iranian government. Do you have documents connecting him? No, but trust us. No, I'm not anywhere near trusting you, not within a million miles of trusting you. So what a bizarre plot, they're that clownish. And those J.D. Vance documents that theoretically the Iranians got and then they leaked it to people and they sent it to Ken. Klippenstein, we covered that whole thing.

And then even the note that goes to Ken has like these obvious misspellings and bad English. You think the Iranians are so stupid that they don't know how to write in proper English? It's like when it's forgeries, they say things like, now, and not in this case, but to give you an example, like normally Muslims will say, Bismillahrahrahrahim, right? They'll write things like, bismillah. Where did the bisman lachs come from? That's just made up. That's what a non-Muslim, non-Arab or in that case, non-Persian, non-Farsi person would say pretending to be Muslim.

Right. Maybe they're half Irish. Yeah. So look, I'm not, again, I don't know for sure that it's made up. And all we know is the US government is telling us that there's a boogeyman who was trying to kill Trump and he was, and Iran wanted him to do it. Yeah. Well, look, I will say I have no idea, but if there are, you know, illicit forces trying to

use this plot to inspire Donald Trump to help them in a war against Iran, you are wasting your time. Because as we all know, Donald Trump is a man of peace. He doesn't favor foreign intervention. He shut down every war we were in when he became president. We would never do something like that. Anyway, jokes aside, we're going to take a break. All right, back on TYT, Jank, John and Waz with you guys, and also Jessica 7979, and this bish annoyed A.F was doing my Trump. Just doing my best Trump impersonation. That was pretty good, was. Remember, in the last days of the campaign, he moved beyond just using his hands.

Yeah, you know what, let's take a 39 minute dance break here. He won. Oh, man. All right, hit the join bottom below, guys, or t.T.20.com slash 2024. 20% off membership, monthly membership for today. All right. And John. Okay, let's turn away from the fun to whatever this is.

There's a sense that everyone involved in this lawfare universe realized that they become the bad guy in the movie. A lot of the people that were on this that wanted it so badly. How are they going to survive? Do you think they need therapy? Yes. definitely need therapy and maybe also the death penalty. That's fun. Oh, Fox News, they're just in the best mood after their guy won.

If you thought that their desire for retribution has gone away, bearing in mind that people like I believe Joe Rogan is saying, hey everybody, it is actually time for unity now. And old Bill O'Reilly's telling Trump to not seek revenge, well, they didn't seem to get the memo, because that is Dana Prino, who I don't think of is holding down the spot on the five of being the most radical, calling for lawyers doing their job to prosecute Trump for crimes that he definitely did commit that they should get the death penalty. And there's been a lot of talk about these prosecutors recently. The potential next A.G is saying that Tish James might have her, in his words, fat ass thrown in prison, and he could be soon the top lawyer in America,

which I guess is better than being murdered by the state for being a lawyer. But either way, you did not hear four other people at the table shouting her down or saying, dear God, no, that's a line we wouldn't cross. And so I guess they thought the idea was okay. So look, guys, we're gonna find out who MAGA is and we're gonna find out who Trump is and all the right wing media. So right now, whenever you challenge them on this stuff, they'll say we're just joking. And maybe they are. So number one, let's pause here to ask, What would happen if a couple of MSNBC hosts joked around about the death penalty for Trump supporters?

Biden accidentally called them garbage and they lost their minds. You think the right wing would be like, oh, tyrannical governments is joking around about how we should get the death penalty for being Trump supporters. It's just funny, man, they're just drolling. Or do you think they're like, what is this? We know it. Oh, we got our guns. What are you going to do about, right? Come on, let's be honest.

Let's be honest. Now having said that, yeah, maybe they are joking, but there's a, and we're gonna find out one way or another, and so if it turns out that Donald Trump goes, yeah, yeah, that was to win the election, man, I just wanna be popular. So I'm gonna do a couple of things that make me popular, okay, okay, it's not impossible, so I've got that sliver, sliver of possibility and hope that that happens, right? Or they could prove us right, and then they can go full fascist, and then they'll deny it and they'll do all this stuff, but proofs in the pudding, right? So if, I mean, if the guy that

they're considering for attorney general that we talked about yesterday, actually carries out what he said about Medea San and goes to arrest them, denaturalize them, and deport them, well, then they weren't joking. And it turns out they were fascists. But I can't control that. You can't control that. Only Trump and Magick can. By the way, one piece of good data point today is that Bannon's a little pissed that Susie Wiles was the, became the chief of staff for Trump. He wanted someone more maga and she's just a Bush person, he said. And yesterday, Anna and I said, hey, Susie Wiles, that's actually a relatively moderate choice. We're kind of happy that of all the different terrible people he could have picked.

He picked Susie Wiles. So that's Trump going in a slightly right direction. At the end of the day, though, whether it's Dana Perino, Greg Gutfeld, whoever it might be, whether they're joking or not joking. They're not going to make the decision. Trump is. And when Trump makes a decision, by the way, then they'll right wing media MAGA will be put to a test. So did you guys actually like freedom or were you lying the whole time? Did you hate cancel culture or did you couldn't wait to do cancel culture with arrests and deportations and murder, et cetera?

We're going to find out. And maybe you guys pass the test. And you say, no, deporting Medi Hassan. Are you insane? Hell no, that's cancel culture. That's against freedom. He's just critical. size you. So what? Maybe some of the right wing hosts do do that because it's a new day in America. But maybe they don't. I don't control it. We're going to find out together. Was. I don't know. I, Trump's been, anytime he's taken some of his more outlandish stuff into the courts, he's kind of lost every single time, like especially with stop the steel type of stuff. Anytime he's taking bogus claims to the court, he's gotten his butt handed to him. of his DOJ, if he really decides to point his DOJ in the direction of lawyers who were prosecuting his crimes,

I just really don't have any confidence at all in his ability to execute something like that. In terms of Fox News and their host, mean, you know, angry, rude, whatever, that's their brand. That's what they do. That's what they think makes them edgy or outside of the bounds of the norms. When you and I both know that that mean edgy, all of that crap does absolutely. nothing to challenge power, does absolutely nothing to challenge the people who actually own that party institutionally and financially. So like, I'm not surprised that these people take a tough guy, angry, ridiculous tack on that network when that's what their brand is.

Yeah, we'll see. I mean, look, I might have mentioned this on the election coverage, but one thing that maybe gives me a little bit of optimism that Trump might not be as crazy as you know what's left of his brain on show during the campaign would imply it would be is we know that he lost his mind every day when he was president at the investigations and the critique and the negative news and all that and this is this is positive there will probably not be nearly as much about this time because the DOJ is going to barely exist and the FBI is never going to be able to touch him and the Supreme Court has already said that he's a king and Jeff Bezos is already indicating that they're not going to do literally anything to check him

and Mark Zuckerberg is lining up and X has already been taken over. And so many of the different things that would have been a thorn in his side previously no longer exist or have been turned to serve him. And so maybe he'll be in a better mood on a daily basis. Yeah, well, look, guys, one last piece of good news, bad news here. Good news is if he didn't do this, if he had said, my chief of staff is Steve Bannon, my attorney general is Roger Stone. Okay, then we were doomed.

I mean, you could panic now. You can figure out which country you're going to live in because that would have been game over. There is no chance that Steve Bannon and Roger Stone are good guys. Zero percent chance. Yeah, okay. But he didn't so far. Okay, so let's see what happens. So first pick so far, we'll take it.

Susie Wiles, trust me on this. She's not like some sort of great person. She ran Trump's, she was a campaign manager, right? But of the different choices that he had, oh, I'd take Susie Wiles in a second. Okay, so that's the good news. The bad news is there's going to be no accountability. So we just have to hope and pray that Trump doesn't do something monstrous. What are they going to do, impeach him?

What are they going to do, arrest them? There's no checks left at all. There's no brakes on the car. So we're all along for the ride. Cross your fingers because that's where we are. Yeah, the only thing I would say was is right. theoretically judges on some of this, which is why I think if Biden does anything between now and the inauguration, it's get as many judges on the bench as possible.

He's done a pretty good job through his term, it's like 200 judges, give or take. If they can put 20, 30 more, that's at least something. And look, one last thing about that. You guys are right about the judges and maybe they stop some stuff. But you know, when things start to go bad, all of a sudden, all the checks and balances are gone overnight. So we'll see, we'll see how that goes. But they haven't gone that way.

That's part of my point. Hold on, let's find out what happens. Because if you remember, Trump said lock her up, lock her up during the campaign in 2016. Then he got in and said, nah, I'm going to let Hillary go. I'm not going to do anything about it. So it's not impossible. So let's wait and see what actually happens. The message that was shot across the bow is, guess what?

The American people, the voters that voted for Trump overwhelmingly, they are MTG. MTG is not radical or extreme. She's mainstream America. And I am very much looking forward to working in an administration that is on that level. Now hold up a second. America is MTG, I thought we weren't allowed to call people garbage and all of a sudden she's allowed to. That's ridiculous. That is the greatest insult I've literally ever heard against the American people and Marge, I'm not gonna stand for it. But anyway, that is Marjorie

Green doing the best she can with what's in her skull to try to spin the results of the election in her direction or to her favor. And look, literally everybody does this. Everybody on the the winning side is gonna say it's that we won because of everything that I already believed. And generally, everybody in the losing side doesn't say we lost because of everything I already believe. That's basically how it works. But for Marjorie Green to imply that everyone is like her because people decided to go for Trump during an election in which the incumbent president was at like 37% approval. I think that's a step too far. That said, we have a little bit more on her and then we'll discuss.

time in Congress under the Trump administration? What's something you're looking forward to, I would say? You know, here's one thing I would like to point out. They've attacked me continuously, called me radical fringe extremists. You know what they found out today? President Trump will have over five million of the popular vote ahead of Kamala Harris. He will, by the time this is done, likely have 312 electoral college votes. The message that was shot across the bow is, guess what, the American people, the voters that voted for Trump overwhelmingly, they are in. MTG. MTG is not radical or extreme.

She's mainstream America, and I am very much looking forward to working in an administration that is on that level. And we have to get it done. We made a lot of big promises on the campaign trail and now we have to deliver. Look, I think I like that she's saying that, partially because it's ridiculous and I like laughing at her, I always have and always will. But also, I want them to draw the wrong lessons from this. I think that we are in the process of diagnosing why the election

went the way it did. But if the Wright believes that the fundamental reason they won is not despite all of the worst excesses and all the nastiness of their side. But that's why, it's that. You don't have to deliver economically. You just have to be, you know, an obscene, offensive dullard. That's all you need. Well, then they're going to have a surprise, I think it's store for them in four years. Mark Robinson, by the way, did not win. Carrie Lake did not win. In previous elections, when people have tried to copy the Trump thing, generally they've had a much harder time than Trump in writing that to electoral success. She seems convinced that no, that's what everyone wants, and maybe, maybe that's what

America is, I hope not for our sake, but I also don't think so. Yeah, so I'm gonna disappoint your John. There's truth to what she's saying. So their side did win and their side does think like her. So is there a giant difference between Marjorie Taylor Green and Donald Trump? She says wacky things. He says wacky things. She says hateful things. She believes in conspiracy theories. He definitely believes in conspiracy theories. So they kind of did vote for Marjorie Taylor Green. No, but do you believe that's why he got elected? No, that's the part where I agree

with you. So, and that's super important. He got elected because immigration, inflation, and the Democrats didn't deliver. And Kamala Harris ran a pro-corporate pro-chaining campaign. There are other reasons, but I think that that's the core. So if they take that mandate, hey, the Democrats didn't deliver anything economically for us or enough economically for us and go, oh, okay, so you want hateful things. We'll give you more hateful things. Then they're going to make a giant mistake.

And then it's going to make, you know, my God, if we had a left-wing populist running against them in 2028, they'll get slaughtered. if they lean into just the hateful stuff and the wacky stuff and not the things that they actually promised. That's what I agree. Right? But, but it's, but we can't say culturally that we're the mainstream when our side lost. So for the moment being, their side is the mainstream. You see what I'm saying? I think though there's a big gap between those two things. I think a will, look, I think a lot of people have been trying to figure out, did people vote for Trump because of these things or despite these things? And I think if we think that fundamentally people's home finances,

their perception of the security here in the United States, or their perception of generally the security around the globe, if that was the big thing, then I think a lot of the Trump stuff they voted for him despite, which I think is still a problem. It's still bad. Things that I think should be deal breakers, clearly or not. I think that's a conversation to be had versus that that's now what they want out of every candidate, because I just don't think the evidence of other candidates really bears it out. I don't even think MAGA voters didn't even rely like other candidates in the Republican primary trying to do a Trump thing. They didn't find that to be as persuasive. So anyway, look, I do think that there is something to be learned

from this, but I do think that there are those two potential different lessons that they could draw. And again, I'll just say, I want them to learn the wrong lesson. And it seems like they're taking the first steps into that was um i i funny watching that clip because i think if you're a republican abs especially if you're a republican in congress absolutely if i were in their position i'd be like we just won the popular vote won the presidency we won the senate we have the house the american people just handed us a mandate to do all of our stuff that's precisely what i would be saying whether it's true or not, that would be the posture that you should be taking. Like, yeah, go out, you know, get ICE agents to like freaking kidnap the dude making the pizza

at your pizza shop where you've been saying hello to for the last seven years and seeing people like it. Like, I really do think that's what should happen. And I think that's what she should be espousing. What I think is most funny about that clip is that her response to this win is not, yes, I'm in Congress. That means we're going to get. to enact our actual agenda, which is what should animate you as a politician. Instead, that came second. What came first was, I'm just like you guys. See, I'm not weird and fringy. You guys should come give me a hug, America. I'm just like all of you. That was really telling to me. Good point, good point. Yeah. So again, buckle up, race for impact.

Buckle up, y'all. They're gonna do some of those things. And if they, you know, look, inflation is already down. But if they continue to bring inflation down, great. Well, who's against that, right? If they have a sensible immigration plan, God help us, that would be surprising. That would be surprising, right? But okay, that would be good, right? But again, not as likely. But if they go and start saying, oh, we're going to lock up our opponents and we're going to go, you know, and if you, as Trump said, you protest Israel, we're going to arrest you, deport you, et cetera. They start doing crazy things, start calling people terrorists that are inside the country that are a fellow American citizens, then we're screwed and there's no recourse.

And so, but the only recourse is what was pointing out, which is, and what John is saying too, well, F around and find out, because yeah, maybe you heard a lot of us in those four years, but you're wrong if you think the American people are that extreme. They were just tired of the Democrats not delivering, and they just want economic help. They want help for their family. They're not looking for you to be hateful. they're looking for you to be helpful. And my God, wouldn't it be shocking if the Republicans were?

I like that slogan, by the way. Yeah, it's good. It's not bad. We should run with it. All right, guys, first of all, check out Waz at the Ringer. Check out damage report every single day at 1 o'clock Eastern. Make sure you're checking that out. And then when we come back in the next hour, I'm going to get into a fight with Jordan Ewell again.

Okay, so interesting. Leftist versus whatever the hell I have. We'll be back.