The Young Turks - Portnoy Vs. Schulz - July 23, 2025

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca. This damn fat drug I take. It's not working. We finally beat Medicare. Well, hello. Welcome to the Young Turks. I'm Jordan Yule filling in for Cenk Uygur and joining me is aspiring comedian Brett Erlich. Brett, thank you so much for

joining me. How are you today? To get to the other side. That wonderful, some of your finest work. How are you, Brett? Take my wife, no, please. I'll tell you how I am.

This is the only dress shirt that fits that I can sit down in and I had to unbutton it to Naval Zone. But I respect this organization. And I tried to be gorgeous. I'm just really happy to be here with you Jordan, just the two of us in the same city but two lazy to drive to be gorgeous. I'm just really happy to be here with you, Jordan, just the two of us in the same city but too lazy to

drive to the studio. Yep, that's it. It is a massive news day, so why don't we get right into it, starting with this. Donald Trump is named in the Epstein files multiple times. That is what the DOJ told Trump,

according to a new report from the Wall Street Journal. When Justice Department officials reviewed what Attorney General Pam Bondi called a truckload of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein earlier this year, they discovered that Donald Trump's name appeared

multiple times, according to senior administration officials. In May, Bondi and her deputy informed the president at a meeting in the White House that his name was in the Epstein files, the official said. Many other high profile figures

were also named, Trump was told, being mentioned in the records isn't a sign of wrongdoing. Now this is something many have long suspected and former Trump administration official Elon Musk even let it slip earlier this year in a now deleted

tweet writing on X, time to drop the really big bomb. Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day DJT. He replied, mark this post for the future. The truth will come out. It does seem like today was that day,

at least officially. And this revelation makes recent comments by Trump on Epstein even more interesting when you go back and revisit them. Take a look. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable. It's just unbelievable. Why would anyone want to ask follow up questions? But back to the Wall Street Journal report, Justice Department officials told

the president at the meeting that the files contained what officials felt was unverified hearsay about many people, including Trump, who had socialized with Epstein in the past, some of the officials said. One of the officials familiar with

the documents said they contain hundreds of other names. They also told Trump that senior Justice Department officials didn't plan to release any more documents related to the investigation of the convicted sex offender because the material

contained child pornography and victims personal information, the officials said. And it appears that one of Trump's most loyal supporters within the administration may have loose lips. FBI Director Cash Patel has

privately told other government officials that Trump's name appeared in the files, according to people close to the administration. Patel declined to answer an inquiry from the journal about the Epstein case, but said in a statement that the memo on the Justice Department

website explaining why the department wouldn't release more Epstein documents was, quote, consistent with the thorough review conducted by the FBI and DOJ. And now there will likely be even more pressure on Trump and his administration after CNN

published these previously unseen pictures of Epstein and Trump. Here they are together at the opening of the Harley-Davidson Cafe in New York in 1993. And you might say, well, that's just a coincidence. That's a semi-public event.

There were probably a lot of people there. Well, here's just a coincidence. That's a semi public event. There were probably a lot of people there. Well, here's Epstein at Trump's 1993 wedding, his second wedding to his second wife, Marla Maples, again in 1993. So Brett, it seems like when there's smoke, there's fire. And despite the administration's

denials, things are only getting more and more intense. What do you make of this? I just want to know how up Donald Trump's bum you have to be at this point to believe a single word, he says, right? When he shows up and go,

he tries to these aren't the droids you're looking for to the press when he's sitting there with Bondi and Marco Rubio. You have to understand, he's sitting there, obviously saying, don't talk about this thing because it incriminates me.

Do you think that there is any other reason Donald Trump would say there's no there there? Other than if we went there and looked around, we would find something horrible about him. Also, he ran on this stuff. He ran on this multiple times on the campaign trail.

He says that he was going to declassify the Epstein files. He then tweeted from his official account on X that he was going to do that. It was a major point of pride and he didn't do it for no reason. He did it cuz he wanted to get with the manosphere. He wanted to appeal to the people who are skeptical of the powers that be. He wanted to appeal to the folks that say there's a uniparty out there and we need an outsider to get in and make some kind of

ruckus to flush out all the bad people that are in the government. Here's the thing, if you're describing shady stuff that the quote deep state does, well, that stuff sounds a lot like what Donald Trump, Pam Bondi and crew have been talking about. There's a Kash Patel on the flagrant.

He said, listen, like either he didn't know what was in the files and he wanted them to be released, fine. Or he knew there was nothing in the file, but either way, the guy was running on it. If he ran on it because he wanted to take advantage of this stuff, it's a horrible look no matter how you look at it.

And it's hilarious because there's a bunch of people that were all in on the EPC stuff, people like Charlie Kirk, right? And then in the wake of itstein stuff, people like Charlie Kirk, right? And then in the wake of it, there's people like Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro, who when it comes to Epstein, all these people who are like we gotta be suspicious of the federal government, we gotta be suspicious of people in power. I'm gonna play you two clips right now back to back, and Ben Shapiro is kind of talking about the suicide stuff.

But it's all stuff that's in the Epstein files that is super duper fishy. But this is what they changed their tune to when it seemed like Trump ran the risk of being incriminated publicly. I'm done talking about Epstein for

the time being. I'm going to trust my friends in the administration. I'm going to trust my friends in the government. I have the names of the people who are making the claim. Okay, for your sources,

let's go down the list and then we'll talk about why they might be saying that. My sources are the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, Cash Matel, the head of the FBI, Dan Bongino,

the Deputy Head of the FBI, and Pam Bondi, the Attorney General. So in light of the Wall Street Journal article about this, buddy, those are all the people. They are reporting the cash Patel saying, my God, Trump's name's all over this thing.

And then he goes on Rogan, he's like, don't you think if I had this stuff, I'd show it to you? Well, you told someone according to this article that you had tons of incriminating evidence. And I know it says in the article, if your name appears in the Epstein Well, you told someone according to this article that you had tons of incriminating evidence. And I know it says in the article,

if your name appears in the Epstein file, it's not wildly incriminating. Are you sure about that? Are you sure about that? Jordan just showed everybody photos of the guy at his wedding. I was at Jordan's wedding, because I know him very well.

He's at the dude's wedding wearing hilarious pants. They said they were friends for 10 years, what's going on? If you believe the people like Cash Patel and Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk, people who only have stuff to gain from keeping this under wraps.

I don't know what I'm supposed to say to you anymore. And I'm especially Jordan, how do you feel like you can handle the people who are like, it felt like when Trump was just saying all this stuff to the right and to the Manosphere, it was like

he was trying to sleep with them, right? What do I gotta say to get you in bed with me? But no one likes the person who's like, he's just after you for one thing, babe. How do I not be the guy who's like, he was just trying to sleep with you and get your vote, babe, you idiot? How do I get that? What do we do now to those people? Or do you think they're gonna come back on their own? I mean, I do think this is an instance of the base cannibalizing the Trump administration and the core MAGA elite.

Because they have been strung along for years, promised transparency, promised answers. And through the broader, and I'd say part of it, the broader conspiratorial world, they have been conditioned over the years to think that sexual abusers and pedophiles are everywhere through QAnon and Pizzagate. And of course, we know those

conspiracies are unfounded and have led to real world violence. But we've been saying for years, hey, if you are worried about this issue, look no further than this verifiable instance on a wide scale involving dozens, if not hundreds of the elite. And Trump and his team leaned into it. They saw an opportunity, hey, you're already conditioned to think this way. Here you go, we'll join you in caring about this.

It was a total miscalculation, I think, on the administration's part to release the memo saying, hey, nothing here, nothing to see here, move along. I feel like if they continued to promise it was coming until some greater catastrophe happens, we wouldn't be in this situation. By doing that and telling everybody who had been promised answers, you remember those binders that they gave to those conservative influencers said phase one. Okay, there's a phase two if you're labeling it phase one, they're expecting more. And by doing that, they said they basically upset all of these people, millions of their own supporters who are expecting more. And by doing that, they said they basically upset all of these people, millions of their own supporters who are expecting answers.

So it feels like an unforced error. But I can't help but point out, we need to consider the bias here because we're talking about an extreme left wing publication in the Wall Street Journal, who has for years, done nothing but try to take Trump

down. It's so ridiculous, man. You're obviously joking because the Wall Street Journal is the one that your conservative friend reads, cuz it's about the economy. Isn't it owned by Rupert Murdoch? Isn't that why he's getting sued as a result of it? And maybe they've had it and this is what Trump right now, this is another thing that Republicans do all the time. They realize they don't have to get it right the first time. They're like a Silicon Valley

company where they're like, let's fail early and often in our attempts to tell people to look at some other thing besides the very incriminating bit of news that's right in front of their face. And Trump has tried all of that. He's tried the like,

it was something to do with, look at this Obama and Russiagate thing. Let me bomb Iran. Let me talk about and let me say that it's a Democrat thing. No, bro, this is not a Democrat

thing. Democrats are loving it. But that's a Democrat thing. No, bro, this is not a Democrat thing. Democrats are loving it. But that's a Wall Street Journal, my guy. These are your fans that are, we're only your fans. And he's talked trash to them, called them his former supporters who are talking about this. These are people who got you there. And this is something that we've been saying about like fascist people, which is like they'll do anything to get the power. And once they're inside, they'll do everything they can to solidify that power.

And then I don't know, everybody watched that Medeasan thing where he's like sitting down with a bunch of fascists. And they're like, no, it's fine. He's my fascist. It's cool. fascists, and they're like, no, it's fine, he's my fascist, it's cool. That's what they rely on, but it takes a slightly more sophisticated mind to say, hey, take a look, buddy.

You are relying on him liking you, and he's been through three wives. Do you think he doesn't even know your name? He doesn't care, he has no allegiances to anyone but himself. your name. He doesn't care. He has no allegiances to anyone but himself. Yeah, well, I'm sure more will come. Maybe we'll see a couple more billion tacked on to that lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal. Who knows? Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all

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how do you sleep at night? There's- I sleep great. There are 2 million people being starved in Gaza. They're being intentionally starved by Israel. You guys continue to use our tax dollars to send to Israel to fund it. How dare you? There are eight trucks waiting to be let in. As Israel's campaign of mass starvation in Gaza intensifies,

Representative Randy Fine, who you just saw in that video, is doubling down, saying conditions should be even worse. And we'll have more on him in a second, but first, some context. More than 100 aid agencies and rights groups, including Save the Children and Doctors Without

Borders, warned on Wednesday that mass starvation was spreading across Gaza, adding to calls for Israel to lift restrictions on humanitarian aid to the besieged enclave. Doctors Without Borders in Gaza has reported a sharp and

unprecedented rise in acute malnutrition. Adults frequently collapse from hunger, the aid groups said in their statement, adding that stockpiles of food and other supplies warehoused outside the territory were being prevented from reaching

people in need. At least 101 people are known to have died from hunger during the conflict, according to Palestinian officials, including 80 children, Most of them in just the last few weeks. The situation would give any normal

person pause, but not representative Randy Fine, who posted this on X. Release the hostages until then, starve away. This is all a lie anyway. It amazes me that the media continues to regurgitate Muslim terror propaganda. So which is it?

Is it a lie or should they continue starving? But his tweet prompted a response from the American Jewish Committee. The serious humanitarian situation in Gaza must not be taken lightly, especially by those at the highest levels of government. Implying that starvation is a legitimate tactic is unacceptable. All those in need of humanitarian aid should receive it promptly and safely. Our leaders must focus less on scoring political points and more on doing their jobs. Now as this situation worsens, reporting on conditions in Gaza

itself is now jeopardized as News Wire AFP is calling on Israel to allow its freelance reporters in Gaza to leave because they themselves are succumbing to hunger. Brett, this is a obviously terrible situation on the ground in Gaza. Starvation is never a legitimate form of war. Brett, this is a obviously terrible situation on the ground in Gaza.

Starvation is never a legitimate form of war. But here's Randy Fine, yet again, outing himself as one of the most vile and sadistic members of Congress. Right, you have to be sadistic to think that that's a good look. You have to be sadistic to enjoy what this dude said. Just from the purely cynical standpoint, America always wants to position itself as the moral leader of the world, the free world. The President United States is the leader of the free world. And we try to say that we're the good guys and people who are unlike us are the bad guys. Does the good guy ever talk like that? Does the good guy ever say, yes, let the children starve and if they're starving, they don't exist? What a weird approach to that. The good guy in the movie says we don't wanna have to do this.

says we don't want to have to do this. We tried everything we could to avoid having to do this. Or the good guy says, well, if he doesn't think that this problem is real and it's just propaganda, then the good guy gives you the reason for that. Gives you proof that what he's saying is true, and what the bad guy's saying is a lie. But in this scenario, when you strut down the hallway proudly touting the starvation of children, which side you're on in this debate aside, just looking at the optics of that, it's bad.

And I have to point to Donald Trump who made this the way to win politics in America. The example of the good guy that America got away with for a long time while also doing some pretty shady, some extremely shady stuff around the world. We got away with doing a lot of bad stuff, but we still were able to convince a lot of people through stuff like movies and speeches, like the one I tried to just kind of model. We convince people we were the good guy, but no one's looking at that. And look at the scoreboard,

man. You're just not the good guy. That's my take on it. Yeah, can we pull Randy Fine's tweet back up? There's something I to point out and talk about here. So he's trying to frame this like most Republicans and supporters of Israel about the hostages, release the hostages until then, starve away. I want all of you to think about that for a second and then think

about who in these scenarios like any campaign of masturbation or blockade or famine, who was affected first? It is children. And I talked about this last night on the show with Cenk. Al Jazeera has been airing footage of some of these children who are in the hospital surviving solely on IV fluid, what little remains in Gaza. And it is horrifying. They look like they haven't eaten in weeks. You can basically see through their skin to see their bones. That's all it is. There is no muscle

mass, very little tissue. It is just bones. That is who is affected here. They have no impact whatsoever on the release of the hostages that remain in Gaza. That's not what this is about. This is purely about starvation, inflicting as much harm and pain as they want, and ultimately ethnic cleansing. They wanna drive everybody out of there. I have an interview coming out on Friday with Chris Hedges. He talks about having spent there recently in the past couple months, how bulldozers have just been descending from the north of Gaza, demolishing everything in their path. It is happening now. They are

wiping Gaza out and these children are the ones who are affected first. He is vile, he has no place anywhere near the levers of power and he certainly doesn't belong in our Congress. He is disgusting. We gotta take a break. We have more on Epstein files. Welcome back. I'm Jordan Yule joined by Brett Erlich and you were just saying you're what you some

personal accomplishment. I was no Epstein is my lawyer. It's a different Epstein, Timmy Epstein and we got to submit some files. Thank you, thank you. We'll be here all hour one folks. Let's get into our next story.

Take a look at this. What we saw, the conditions that we saw inside this internment camp, which it is nothing less than that description, were really appalling. The Democrats hysteria here can be described as nothing other than insanity. These people were elected to serve Americans, the American people. And yet here they are crying and screaming and protecting illegal

aliens, many of who have you just described have committed some of the most heinous crimes. We don't need to be bending over backwards for these people. The mastermind behind Florida's now infamous alligator Alcatraz is back in the news yet again after coming

up with another solution to immigration and heart ache. A toll free hotline to report your undocumented ex. We're only half kidding. Yesterday Florida Attorney General James Uthmeyer posted to ex.

He recently got a tip from someone whose abuse of ex overstate a tourism visa. He's now queued up for deportation. If your ex is in this country illegally, please feel free to reach out to our office. We'd be happy to assist. And it didn't take long for DHS to hop on this trend and offered their actual tip line. From domestic abuser to deported loser, ICE tip line. And a bunch of numbers, if you want to call it, I would say

leave wrong information jokingly, we're just making a joke. Obviously, the idea was met with harsh criticism, but others became excited and even wondered who else they could deport for revenge. How about mother-in-laws?

Wrote one person on X and again, maybe he was just kind of joking. Now Brett, we've got more, but what do you make of this official government effort from the state level in Florida to the DHS saying, hey, you got somebody in your life you want to enact revenge on, you're spiteful over? Haven't deported, here you go. What do you make of this open call for, I guess, suggestions or requests for deportation? It would be different if they were funny people, instead of people who just think they're so

goddamn hilarious. The AG of Florida looks like the guy that approaches you at the gym to help you with your form. And he's wearing really tight shorts and you can see the tip of his wiener. And he tries to touch your lower back to keep it straight. And he skips leg day. That's Uthmeyer, guy looks like

a very roided out thumb. And they think this is hilarious. They're not funny people. That's the thing and Trump got them thinking they're funny, but they're not. They're like the kids at the lunch table who when they try to talk trash about you, don't look you in the eye. They just look at the other kid they're trying to appeal to, to get them the stamp of the approval for coolness. And they're like, I hope they deport you, but they're just looking for Billy's approval. This is the saddest group of beta boys trying to take human beings who are, I mean,

I understand this guy is an abuser. And I understand if you're overstaying your visa, there are rules, there are laws, whatever. You can get into that conversation, but this is in a trend of utter dehumanization where cruelty is the point. And that's what gets, these are the alligator Alcatraz people. And the actual Alcatraz, the shark Alcatraz people, they're trying to reopen Alcatraz. So that people being deported, they should be so lucky, man. These guys are like,

I want to feed you to the gators and sharks. It's not okay. I know you're okay with it, Jordan, so could you please defend this guy like you were before we started this segment? Yeah, okay.

Well, we have more on the substance here. Some might be wondering, is this a cause for concern to the level of alligator Alcatraz? And most likely not, the ICE tip line that the DHS posted isn't a new thing.

The number has been around for over 20 years and receives an average of 15,000 calls a month, which honestly is more than I expected that line to receive a month before this, but here we are. And it's not just for illegal immigration. Back in January, USA Today spoke to Alex Noorassith, my best attempt there, Alex, an immigration policy analyst at Libertarian Think Tank, the Cato Institute. And he said,

it's for reporting crimes. Everything from child pornography, COVID-19 fraud, illegal immigration, human trafficking, money laundering, terrorism, worksite enforcement of immigration laws. And Narasimh said the tip line isn't likely a major part of

immigration enforcement. It probably wastes the time of a handful of employees at ICE to have to wade through these 15,000 calls a month and to take them and to write them down. Perhaps it leads to a few tips, but I have never heard of anything

publicly that has come up related to a big operation started by a tip on the ICE hotline. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I've never heard of it. So we've seen these types of things before, Brett. You know, put out these numbers.

Well, I understand that they have hotlines, but this is how they're marketing it. That's what gets to me. Whether this will actually result these numbers? Well, I understand that they have hotlines, but this is how they're marketing it. That's what gets to me, whether this will actually result in deportations or not, is not the point.

It's the fact that they are saying, hey, breaking up with someone who's not a citizen, call us now and deport them. This is from the same group that's like, well, we might have to deport some people who are actually citizens. They're talking about revoking Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship. This is from the same group that's like, well, we might have to deport some people who are actually

citizens, they're talking about revoking Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship. The problem is, I love joking around. I think it's awesome, I think it's the best. And I think there's a time and

a place, or you have to be really funny. Neither one applies in these scenarios to why you would have an alligator alcatraz and why you would tell people if you're in tout a true or potentially false story where there's people out there who are breaking up with

someone and they're calling a tip line to get them deported. It's sick, these guys are sick, dude. Yeah, that's the thing. They're enjoying it, they're cackling over it, they're doing march on alligator alcatraz. They're so excited, there's glee in the influencer content from

the people who toured it. The punchline for them, if you even wanna generously label it that way, is the misery of a stranger. Someone's life completely being upended, maybe never seeing their loved ones here again, ever, for the rest of their lives. Being deported to a place where they maybe don't have roots anymore. That's what they're finding

enjoyment and fulfillment in, cannot relate. And that's human rights. And there's also a civil rights thing that they're all going out against. This is Donald Trump who, do you think this is beneath him to

just someone's breaking up and he wants to deport him from the country? Donald Trump is canceling Sesame Street because they made fun of him. They are attacking news organizations monetarily in doing something that's very difficult to do, which is to prove

mouse in these scenarios. But then he's trying to do it to shut down dissent. And when folks like that dude are the butt of the joke, they can't take the joke. These are the guys who like comedy is back, they can't take a joke

whatsoever. They're so thin skinned, people like Elon Musk will buy up Twitter so that he can get people to stop making fun of him and call him funny. This is like the saddest, most pathetic origin story played out again and again and again. And hopefully, day by day, more people are like, this is absolutely ridiculous and I hate it, and then they turn the tables. Yeah, I mean, the ex stuff was

obviously so desperate and embarrassing that obviously is something I was bothered by because that's a site I've used a lot for years now, you know, Sesame Street, hit you especially hard because you're still learning to count through their programming.

But let's get into our next story. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Let's get into our next story, starting with this. He literally says he's New York president, and he's got a lot of money in his

pocket, and he's got a lot of money in his pocket. Let's get into our next story, starting with this. He literally says he's New York first. How are we supposed to interpret that in here? And then Portnoy is like, he's a socialist. He's a communist. He's doing all these things. It's like, Portnoy, just say you're upset about the Israel. Yeah. Stop acting like you don't live in New York. That was Andrew Schultz, host of the flagrant podcast calling out Dave Portnoy's take on Zoran Mamdani.

Portnoy, of course, is deeply opposed to Mamdani. And while Schultz voted for Trump last election, he's been arguing that Democratic socialists like Mamdani are the real America first candidates. Now the two of them are publicly fighting and we're enjoying watching it. This all started last week when Portnoy said the following about

Mamdani, take a look. I think this is one of the worst scariest candidates he calls himself a democratic socialist. He's not, he's a socialist, he's closer to a communist. And I honestly believe this, this is a city where 9-11 happened.

He'd be quicker to blame the finance people in the building than the people who flew the planes into the building. Like that's how he thinks. He's always looking at the criminals as basically the injustice. It is crazy to me that he's there,

but hey, this is a democracy. That same week, Schultz said that Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders and Zoram Mdani are the ones who actually put Americans first. Here's that clip. The only party right now that to me seems America first is the Democrat Socialist Party. Yep. Bernie is America first. Mamdani and all his ideas that he will not be able to execute and

I frankly think many of them are not good ideas even if they do execute I frankly think I disagree with him, but he is no doubt New York first. Now, Dave Portnoy called Schultz out in response to this post. Holy blank, Jamie Dimon on Democrats today. I have a lot of friends who are Democrats today and they're idiots.

I always say they have big hearts and little brains. They do not understand how the real world works. Almost every single policy they rolled out has failed. Now JP Diamond, of course, is the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, which was one of the leaders in instituting credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations, which of course, helped us all tremendously in the late 2000s. But let's go on. Portnoy, quote tweeted that writing, I think he's talking specifically about Andrew Schultz saying

mum Donnie is America first. Schultz wrote a lengthy response to that thread. He's right about Dems leaning too far into identity politics. That's not what I'm saying. Dave, we texted about this privately. I told you there's nothing about

funding endless foreign wars that Americans don't want while Americans can't afford rent that is America first. There's nothing about covering up an international pedophile blackmail ring that's America first. There's nothing about super PACs manipulating our democracy for their own benefit. He's starting to sound like a lib here, Brett. Let's go on to some more. He keeps going, he names other instances, of course, that we all see are not really America first and Trump's campaign and policy.

And that brings us, that brings a story around full circle to the clip you saw in the cold open. Here's more of Schultz calling out Portnoy. It's not like you care if a socialist communist runs New York. You're upset because he said globalizing Antifada, just make it about that. You're allowed to make it about that. But don't- And they tried already actually, it's not a network. Yeah, it doesn't work. But like- You spend enough days, just enough days here to not pay New York taxes and then you go

back. I don't blame you for it, I do too, but like let's be honest. Stop it, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. And you're allowed to be upset about that. You should see globalizing the intifada and then not backing it off knowing what it means to people. It's like that's up and you should be able to be held accountable for and he can be. But don't give me this. I'm afraid of communism and socialism and try to attribute this thing. Jamie Dimon said to me. Jamie Dimon knows when New Yorkers are going to. He knows a real New Yorker. Jamie Dimon knows when New Yorkers are going to. He knows a real New Yorker. A Portnoy hit back writing, that was a banana's take from Andrew Schultz for multiple reasons. The company I own is headquartered in New York City. Any American should care that the biggest

city in America could be run by a socialist slash communist. Andrew and I texted about Zoran. He basically agreed with everything I said and zero of it was about Israel. Weird to then turn and say I should stop acting like I care about New York City if anybody is doing acting, it ain't me.

Hortenoid even leaked his texts with Schultz, he posted two screenshots of a private conversation. And for the sake of time, we'll just show you the first one. Zoran hates capitalism, I'll just show you the first one. Zoran hates capitalism. I think it is why the country has worked. He has openly said he wants as many socialists in power to have a revolution. He hates the police. He thinks crime is a social

construct. He defended the Boston Marathon bomber. He hates ambition and success. Communists and socialism never work. I hate his policies, hate his logic. I think he wants to help. He's just trying to help in the wrong way. I was being hyperbolic when I said there the America First party.

I was trying to say what Trump is doing with extending foreign wars and Epstein cover up is not America First. Now, Brett, I know you're a big fan of both of these guys. What side, what camp are you in? I like- I'm on the comedian side usually.

I'm on Schultz's side in this for sure, which is crazy. I love these two guys because I didn't know whether either was Jewish, you know what I mean? Schultz is not, what? He's really tall, but Portnoy is, I didn't know that.

I don't know, you have to be Jewish to really get that. But yeah, in this scenario, Andrew Schultz I'm very grateful for because at least he indicates, he's an influencer and he's helping to indicate what a certain point of view is to me,

in a way that makes total sense, right? The fact that these guys are like either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders, Thiel von says, I thought you guys should be on the same ticket to Bernie Sanders.

They misunderstand the people who are really in the thick of it and have been and really care, focus on. But that concept of America firstiness can be applied a lot of different ways. And I would prefer that it was applied genuinely by people who mean it to protect the jobs of people, to protect the good hardworking Americans first. Then to have be like Trump's on the same side as Jamie Dimon here.

Jamie Dimon is a guy who says, my God, all your ideas are so stupid and as Jordan puts out, like, yeah, you realize when you talk about success in America as every day passes where we have your policies in place, like, yes, it does work for you and your

friends and everyone on the Epstein list. You know who it doesn't work for? An increasingly large amount of people in America who are playing by the rules that everybody espoused and said would work out for them in the end if they just played by them. But when you guys get it wrong, Jamie Dimon, with your credit default swaps, you don't have any negative consequences. Someone comes in and bails you out, where an America first would bail out the people who

you robbed along the way to get so rich. There's that. I will say, I was going to like this, but globalize the Tefada. Just the logic there, I hope everybody knows that when people go like into FATA just means like resistance, right? Is that what it means, Jordan?

Yeah, it's a yeah, resistance or armed resistance, it's- It's just means fighting back. And I'm not saying that those two words mean the same thing. I'm just saying when your argument is this translates directly to that, that's not, yeah, Holocaust just means burnt offering. You can find a way better way, you could say globalizer

resistance, you could say global uprising and resistance, you could say that. But like into father literally- The thing is, he's not the one saying it. They're just taking something that they wanna make a wedge issue. Yeah, 100%. And that's why I said it at the end. I'm like,

this is probably there's a better way to say that. No, don't focus on that. What I said, just like apply it. But- Yeah, if you- But like- They can't really criticize. Yeah, like there's a lot of people for whom and when they say that socialism doesn't work, there's so many wildly socialist things everybody loves. Medicare, social security, when you're talking about even

the way that you like the fire department is a socialist program. Do you got to pay for it every time? No, and there's other countries that do have nationalized socialist health services and they live longer than us and pay less for it.

So even your monetary arguments don't work. And that's something that Ozzurron's running on. And it's possible for people like Andrew Schultz to say, I don't agree with all of it. Now that might be Cote,

he might be Reed in the room, he is a comedian. But the reason I say I'm usually on the sides of comedians is there some of the most, there's some of the few people left in this world who go into rooms full of random people every night.

No one else does that. Hortnoy was kind of doing that. He's like, I'm speaking to a party of one here talking about capitalism. But comedians go into random rooms full of random people every night. People who are looking to have

a good time, they're still trying to be offended sometimes, and they have to walk through the raindrops. So at least you can learn something from a real comedian with a podcast who's really trying to do the comedy work as opposed to just

build an audience through clickbait, which I do think that Aakash and I don't know them at all specifically. But they do hang out with a lot of people who we would say that watch TYT are very progressive comedians

and they all get along. Yeah, well, we got to take a break. We've got another interesting fight happening in the Manosphere asterisk when we come back. I'm Jordan, you'll joining me. Brett Ehrlich. Brett. I'm just so happy to be here with

you, Jordan. How is this our aging? Is it going well for you? I'm excited to take this jacket off, I'll tell you that. You did this to us. Just so everyone knows, Jordan was like, hey,

wouldn't it be great if we wore suits today? And I thought it's cuz he wanted to just mix it up and he knew that if he wore a suit and I wore a t-shirt, he'd look a lot nicer than I would. And he was just like, come on princess, do you trust me? And I grabbed his hand and there I am wearing a shirt that's too tight, trying to focus and get really hot. So I can't wait till this is done. Well, you look great.

But let's get into our last story starting with this. I said that adultery ought to be against the law. There should be not just personal and professional but legal repercussions as well. A number of men, including some

prominent ones, responded that my idea is bad not because adultery is okay universally, but because it's okay specifically for men. This is the point that Andrew Tate made in a reply to me on X. It's worth responding in some depth because his perspective on

marriage and family life has proven, we must admit, quite appealing to a large number of young men. And I think that that is a very troubling thing. his perspective on marriage and family life has proven, we must admit, quite appealing to a large number of young men. And I think that that is a very troubling thing. For days now, Andrew Tate has been brawling with Matt Walsh over

whether monogamy or polygamy is best for men. This is something I'm sure you all lie awake thinking about at night. But Tate is arguing for men. This is something I'm sure you all lie awake thinking about at night. But Tate is arguing that men should quote make babies with as many women as possible. While Walsh is stating that

polygamy is a primitive jungle practice. This all started when as Walsh mentioned in the cold open, he stated that adultery should be illegal during a segment on the viral video of the affair at the Coldplay concert.

Think about that for a second. Yeah, we're going to make adultery illegal, okay. On Sunday, Tate wrote a long post explaining his point of view. It's too long to go through the whole thing, so here are some snippets.

Monogamy is not natural for men. Betas settle with one and cope. That is what they want to do when in reality they're forced due to lack of options, societal pressure and the woman threatening to leave them. Most of these wife jack guys who

reply to this have a wife who is cheating on them anyway. And the man they're blanking has multiple women. Do you get it yet? All of these men believe they're real men for listening to girls. Real men blank and make babies with as many women as possible. If your point of view leads to extinction of your race, it's probably wrong. White people need to start blanking multiple women and making compliant baby mother kingdoms and fast. Get help, man, just get help.

Walsh, the family values guy, of course, is not a fan of this take unsurprisingly, and wrote a day later, polygamy is savage and primitive. And has always been widely rejected in civilized Western society. People on both the right and the left are trying to drag the West

into barbarism these days. We must reject it. Tate responded to Walsh with another massive post and we're only going to show you a few excerpts starting with, Matt doesn't know what he's talking about.

He was a guy who found a girl and married her. He knows nothing about modern women, nothing about modern dating dynamics. He knows nothing about women because we've slept with more than he's ever spoken to in his life. When his wife takes him to divorce court and his entire world collapses, he will apologize. Until then, he wraps his worldview in morality to avoid accepting the beta male positioning of acts of service. Acts of service to a female is

the beta strategy across the entire animal kingdom while alphas are chased by females for their genetics alone with basically zero obligations. Less than an hour later, Walsh responded writing, I've been married for almost 15 years.

I have six kids. You say I'm not qualified to criticize polygamy because I haven't tried it. I also haven't tried cannibalism or human sacrifice or any other primitive jungle tribe practice. Meanwhile, you've never been married and yet you think you know more about the subject than me. Your quote, expertise argument cuts both ways. Every time I have a debate like this with someone, they always assure me as Tate does

above that my wife is going to divorce me and take my kids in my house, etc. That's because their argument depends on the assumption that a happy and lifelong monogamous marriage is somehow impossible, even though it's been done by billions of people through history. Sorry to disappoint these guys, but we're nearly a decade and a half into this, and we're happier than we've ever been. Marriage only gets better with time,

that's our experience. And if you're someone who likes to talk about the divorce rate, well, statistically, the vast majority of couples who are married for 15 years will remain married until they die. That's because monogamous lifelong

marriage is not some kind of far fetched fairy tale. It's real, I'm living it. Finally, let's watch a little bit more of Walsh's video response to Andrew Tate, take a look. Tate says that men will be men and yes, that's true, but

will they be good men? Will they be men of yes, that's true, but will they be good men? Will they be men of virtue and fidelity and discipline? They can be if they pursue the higher thing. In a similar way, I might say that many men will father children, that's easy to do.

But will they be fathers? I love being married, I love being a dad. It's a lot of fun much of the time. It's a source of great joy. That's what happens when you simply let go of your childish need to put your own immediate gratification

before anything and everything all the time. You discover an ability to do the harder thing and actually enjoy it. Now Tate says that he has more sons than I do, I believe him. But my sons and my daughters have more of me than Tate says that he has more sons than I do, I believe him. But my sons and my daughters

have more of me than Tate's children will ever have of him. I don't want to say I'm totally agreeing with Walsh, more just because I don't care for him. But Brett, what do you make of what he's saying here this fight and is there any real winner in this or are we all just losers? Yeah, that's why I invented the segment everyone in this story sucks farts.

So this dude, this is the only context in which Matt Walsh would not appear to be an utter piece of like is the only context in which he doesn't seem like the worst an utter piece of like, is the only context in which he doesn't seem like the worst human being in a story. And this is like an exercise in

the Overton window, right? So the Overton window is like, what, it's okay to talk about what we can have a conversation about without getting utterly ridiculed and laughed out the room. The Internet has kind of turned that on its head because of algorithm and engagement farming. to talk about, what we can have a conversation about without getting utterly ridiculed and laughed out the room. The Internet has kind of turned that on its head because of algorithm and engagement farming.

But instead of having someone who's like, you should be in monogamy or you should be in polygamy versus someone who's like, how about you just find something that works for you and do that? And I don't judge you and I stay out of that. And as long as you guys have an honest, open relationship about what either of you wants out of it and you're not lying to or hiding things from someone that they don't want you to do that with, that would be a normal argument. But instead, they have a psycho having a conversation with a total psycho. psycho having a conversation with a total psycho.

And that's an exercise in the Overton window. And I don't know if that's bad or good, I don't know if it's exposing the weirdos. But I do know when they had a fascist talk to Mehdi Hassani, lost his job, the dude had at least

$30,000 in his GoFundMe equivalent by the next morning. The internet allows you to really, you used to just be able to pick up a rock in your backyard and see all the bugs underneath it. But on the internet, anywhere you go, you pick up a rock and you realize that there's millions of bugs being like, tell me how to use my penis, Andrew Tay. That's my take on it. And also Matt Walsh didn't end up being the nice guy.

He was the better person, he's saying how about you have a good relationship with your wife? But along the way he's like, only savages from the jungle have sex with multiple people. He somehow turned a conversation about how about you love your wife into some white

supremacist framing versus jungle savages. And only Matt Walsh can do that. I don't know, what do you think about it, Jordan? Yeah, I just, I wanna point out something. To go back to the kid on Jubilee who added himself as a fascist, allegedly lost his job and then raised around $30,000 in a crowd funder campaign. Digging a little bit deeper into that, I think reflects a society wide problem with people like that. He's gleeful, he's laughing, yeah, I'm a fascist. And people then started to look into his internet history. You're talking about pulling the rock up and seeing all the bugs

easily. People started to look up who this guy is and what he's been doing online for the past couple years. And of course, he was in the, with Nick Fuentes, Groyper, white nationalist movement. And he portrayed himself as this

Christian values kid, Katta Bugazzale, a Palestinian American woman who's running for Congress in Illinois. He had been doing videos attacking her last year, just using misogynistic and derogatory terms. The transition in this video that

was shared from someone who found it today was so funny because he's like, yes, guys, you really got to read the scripture, read the gospels, you got to pray to our Lord. the transition in this video that was shared from someone who found it today was so funny. because he's like, yes, guys, you really got to read the scripture, read the gospels. You got to pray to our Lord. Anyway, back to this fat cow,

we're going to take her down. No edits, that's just the fluid transition. And then someone else found that a couple months ago he was posting online that he was so addicted to porn, he was thinking about killing

himself. I mean, these people are lonely, these people are miserable, but they have very strong feelings about how you should live your life and how you should engage in relationships when they couldn't even dream of having one for

themselves. So through all this, ignore it, do what you want, don't hurt others, and just live your own life. Yeah, I'm totally with that. These guys are arguing about different kinds of relationships. There's only one relationship that works. It's the one that you guys agree on. That's it. That's all. Guys, gals, in between, enbys, I don't care.

As long as you've, and this is so cliched, I hate saying cliched stuff. But it really is, if you can find something, there's a billion people out, there's billions of people in there that probably fall into the category of folks you could

potentially be attracted to. You just find one, 10, I don't care, love them, be open and friendly and honest to them, that's all. But here, I do wanna, this might be the last thing, but this phenomenon of people like Andrew Tate, people like Matt Walsh, people like the fascist dude, people like Donald Trump, so many of them, they don't know, and you might recognize this kind of person from people like Matt Walsh, people like the fascist dude, people like Donald Trump. So many of them, they don't know, and you might recognize this kind

of person from growing up, but so many of them don't know how to get positive reactions from people. But they do know how to get reactions from people. They know how to get negative reactions, and it's either that or no reaction. And so they either that or no reaction.

And so they opt for the provocative behavior that will get a negative reaction. And that attracts a lot of people, looky-loos, people who think it's ridiculous, people who think it's funny, people who think it's the right way to be.

And that's the only thing the Internet doesn't really tell you about, they just see, there's got a lot of views. And it's on us thing the Internet doesn't really tell you about, they just see, there's got a lot of views. And it's on us to figure out, well, how many people do they really represent? And it's a lot.

But as I was saying with the bug analogy, in journalism, there was this New York Times reporter told me about a thing he uses to make us an article, and it's called one to trend. And it's called one to trend. reporter told me about a thing he uses to make us an article, and it's called one to trend. Three, you need to find three

things to put an article out there, and suddenly you can say it's a trend. The algorithms are going to find you millions of people that agree with Andrew Tate, who's a psychopath, in my opinion. The algorithms are going to find you millions of people that agree with Andrew Tate, who's a psychopath, in my opinion.

You know, got to figure it out. But Jordan, you're a cool guy. What are your thoughts on how to pick up chicks? I don't have advice, just live stream and your future wife will DM you. It's not work for me.

Yeah. Well, Joel from Risky Business, sometimes you gotta say, what the make your move? Yeah, well, Brett, thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure. Make sure to check out Brett on Happy Half Hour and occasionally on Rebel HQ, but just

show up at his house. I'll post his address in the chat. Oh my God. We can take a break. Cenk's back in hour two. Thanks for watching.