The Young Turks - Republican Copium Den - November 14, 2025

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You're smoking some of the best best. No God ever put breath in. Thank God it. It's Friday. All right, welcome to the Young Turks. Jane here with John Iderlo with you guys today. Lots of coverage today, of course, huge day as always. Epstein is in the news, we're gonna get to him.

I know, shocking, and Maga revolt all over the place on that. Donald Trump with a huge walk back just happened a little while ago, reversing course on one of his major policies. Marjorie Taylor Green versus Donald Trump. So we got a big show with the Magna Civil War very much continuing. All right, John. You actually do love to see it. Yeah.

No sarcasm necessary. For once you do. I love to see it for a lot of reasons. And not just because ha ha, the other side is fighting, but because there's some folks on the other side that are actually for the first time in their lives. Or at least in my life of seeing it are starting to make sense. Yeah. And so, and then when they put a, you know, the bad guys, like the extra bad guys on the other side, oh, that's beautiful to see. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, it's like Grima Wormtong knifing Saruman. It's like, well, I didn't really like you, but that's a good development. Yeah. Did I go too deep into Lord of the Rings? Anyway, to take it back to the news, there's an example of exactly what you're talking about in the C block. I was on true social. I don't know why, but I was. And I saw stuff that gave me hope. It's a weird experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're gonna ask you guys about that in a minute too. Yeah, all right, so let's tell you guys all about it instead of constantly alluding to it without ever telling you. Yeah, very soon, we're gonna tell you all about it. That's coming up in just a little bit. Anyway, okay, let's just jump into the Epstein stuff. He wasn't just any old rich American. He was well connected to top players all over the world, from Israel to Saudi Arabia. And it wasn't a secret.

Prime Time wants to get to the bottom of the Epstein saga more than anybody. We've been covering the story for years. But the story isn't about Trump. It's about foreign intelligence, blackmail, and cover-ups. That is a dramatic opener. And I'm glad to see it from Jesse Waters. After all, he has been fighting for transparency on Epstein harder than anyone else in the media, obviously.

We all know that. But that right there, that was pretty bold, pretty big. Because it wasn't just about like Epstein and Trump or Epstein and Bill Clinton or whatever. That was his international connections, which I know Jank is something that you've been very focused on. What are your two seconds? Yeah, so first off, it's hilarious that he's like, we're gonna get to the bottom of this, but not Trump. Definitely not Trump.

If he's at the bottom, we're not getting to the bottom, okay. But overall though, I agree with John, it's an interesting development that they're now talking about intelligence agencies on Fox News, right? So as you're gonna see in this story, there's a lot of drama of different players within the right wing now beginning to question orthodoxy and go, wait, what's actually happening with the Epstein story? Yeah. And so we we've got a lot, I got a lot of opinions on that, but I want to show you the Civil War first. Yeah, we need to talk about some of the reporting being done by DropSight News.

And it's a fascinating intersection of a couple of different areas where MAGA is starting to question things that just happened to all line up on this story. So they revealed in their recent reporting that has been discussed on the show previously that Epstein, who had been in close contact with the former Israeli Prime Minister Barack, helped arrange a security agreement. between Israel and Mongolia, which is, that's a big position for this guy who just managed money for rich people to all of a sudden be in, helped arrange a meeting with Barack and Vladimir Putin in an attempt to topple Bashar al-Assad of Syria, helped Barack sell the country of the Ivory Coast on a mass surveillance program, and hosted a senior Israeli intelligence officer at his apartment on multiple occasions. He was a very busy boy, I guess. But for the Most part, the national conversation that has been developing, especially again this week,

around the Epstein files, has focused on Donald Trump and whether he's in it, whether he's not, whereas now we're getting some revelations about broader international concerns. And here is more from that reporting from Jesse Waters. The Jeffrey Epstein emails, Congress is dumping thousands of documents and Democrats are using them to frame Trump. But we've been combing through them and can't find anything. anything nailing Trump. Even Axio says the emails contained no real smoking gun. But when it comes

to Trump, Jeffrey had TDS. I have met some very bad people, none as bad as Trump, not one decent cell in his body. Trump should wear that like a badge of honor. The slimyest guy in the world hating is a good thing. Epstein even admitted Trump, quote, never got a massage. Hmm. The The same author Epstein colluded with even said this. Epstein believed that it was Trump who first informed the police about what was going on at Epstein's house. Galane Maxwell said Trump did nothing wrong, so have Epstein's victims and Epstein's lawyer. And none of these emails implicate Trump, so we're back to square one.

I mean, I think he is back to square one of wanting to talk about the story in a way that That maybe hurts the Democrats, but definitely doesn't hurt Donald Trump. After all, nothing in the emails looks bad for Trump, except for the stuff that really does. Really does, like him spending hours with one of the victims at Epstein's home, Trump refuses to talk about that. Jesse Waters, you want to know how bad that is for Trump? Trump won't address it actually. You don't think that's interesting? And when Carolyn Leave it was asked about that, she didn't confirm or deny it.

But nothing, nothing is bad. I mean, even Axios, what, is that supposed to be like a commie rag or something? He thinks Axios. Oh my God, they got Axios. Like yeah, no, I don't think there's anything in these emails that is wildly more damaging to Trump than many of the other things we've already seen. But it's not that those things weren't damaging, it's to suggest he wasn't care about those either because fundamentally he doesn't care what Donald Trump did or didn't do.

He's just not interested. If he had a tape of Donald Trump with multiple underage women, he would set it on fire to protect his dear leader. That is who he is and that's the movement that he is a part of. But anyway, I guess it's good that he feels freed up to talk about Epstein in other areas at the very least. Yeah, so I think the most important part is the first video we showed you. But let me take it one by one.

On Trump, are there things that incriminate Trump in the emails? He says, there are none, no, that's not true at all. So there's an email where he says, yeah, he spent hours with Virginia as you're free in my house in 2011. And the theoretical cover story was that Trump got rid of Epstein, back. back in like 2003. So eight years later, spending hours at Epstein's house with one of the victims. So it's not like there isn't anything incriminating, there is.

But is there a smoking gun where there's an email that goes, now remember when Donald Trump had sex with the 13 or 15, 17 year old? No, there is not that, but then there isn't that about anyone, right? Yeah. So it's not as exculpatory as they're painting it out to be. Now that being said, fair show in America, I don't know that I've never really thought that it Trump was likely to do it. Like if you showed me evidence saying, no, in fact, he did do it.

And when he was at Epstein's house, he did X, Y, and Z would I believe it? Of course I'd believe it, it's not like it's like, I mean, Trump keeps saying about how much he likes young girls at different times. It's like this is, and he knew about Epstein and he knew that he was running the young girls and he didn't mind, et cetera. So I was certainly believe it. But part of the reason why I've always been a little bit skeptical is because Trump grew up under the tutelage of Roy Cohn. And Roy Cohn used to tape everyone. And Trump knew that

he, Roy Cone taped everyone. So he had his radar up for being taped. So it's kind of like the steel dossier where they're like, oh, he had women urinating out of bed. I'm like, Trump's a germaphobe. That doesn't sound right, right? So that's why, yeah, I get it. You could focus on Bill Clinton. You could focus on Donald Trump. You could focus on anyone you like, right? But to me, the much larger issue is, who was Jeffrey Epstein working for? Because, yeah, he got a bunch of rich, powerful people, presumably on tape. Had some sort of hold over them, right? Was he just doing it for himself?

Or was he doing it, as Water suggested there in his opening for an intelligence agency? Now a lot of people think, yeah, of course it was for an intelligence agency. And look at the drop site news bombshells that all of mainstream media is ignoring. So wait a minute, Epstein was so powerful, put aside into agencies for a second, he was so powerful that he could arrange a meeting for the former prime minister of Israel with Putin, that the former prime minister of Israel, the most powerful country on earth, couldn't do on his own. Yeah. So Epstein was more powerful than the leaders of Israel, that is unbelievable. So this was not a rando like, oh, yeah, hey, oh, I'm a pervert and I did this and it was just me, just me. If it was just Epstein, how is he arranging meetings with the Mongolians with Putin and affecting world politics in a significant way?

Now, of course he's connected, of course. Look, you'd have to be a maniacal clown not to see that he's connected. And then what was his agenda for which country? In all the emails, does he like, oh, well, we got to get this for America and make sure you're looking out for American interests? No, in all the emails, looking out for Israel's interest, it's in the emails, it's super clear, right? And so, and he says, okay, now he is conspiring with Ahud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel, and he's like, okay, we got to get America to bomb Syria. You got to get America to bomb Syria for Israel, and you're doing that with the Israeli Prime Minister. gee, I wonder who he's working with.

That's so complicated. In other emails from Ehud Barak's emails, he's talking about, oh yeah, we also got to get America to attack Iran and bomb Iran. Is this complicated? It's not. It's actually crystal clear. The only reason why we aren't all having a giant national conversation about how Epstein clearly worked for Israel is because the national media is disgusting.

disgustingly biased, and they will not criticize Israel under penalty of law. I mean, they're, they're not just avoiding the major topic here. They're hiding the news. Yeah. These are verifiable emails drop site news. God, it is not arguable. Epsine is all over the Barack emails saying, literally conspiring to help it to manipulate America on behalf of Israel.

Where's the complicated part? Yeah. Well, and if you need a connection to Donald Trump, I mean, in his first term, massively accelerated the bombing in Syria, and as soon as he came into a second term, launched a war against run. Yeah, and so- Which, by the way, like you, you said that you don't believe that Donald Trump, I guess, did anything untoward illegally sexually with Epstein. I'd be surprised, but I definitely am not- I'd be less surprised, but I also don't think it's the only potential explanation for the single

biggest smoking gun. I mean, it's a smoking gun in that you can see the smoke, we don't have the proof, but Jesse Waters, like all of them, wants to ignore the single, most damaging thing about all this. If Donald Trump did nothing, his entire last six-month strategy around this story makes no sense whatsoever. We've never had a politician that has fought harder to hide something, and ineptly as Donald Trump is, in damaging himself, in a self-sabotaging way, Donald Trump would rather anything happen than this information come out. And Maybe it's sexual, maybe it's not. Maybe it has to do with the stuff that we're talking about right now.

Yeah, so John, that's a terrific point. And so Trump is definitely hiding something. Then the question is, what is he hiding? Because 83% of Republican voters want the Epstein files released. That's a CBS News poll that just came out. And Trump said any Republican who wants it released is falling for the Epstein hoax is weak and stupid and a fool. That's him saying eight out of ten Republican voters are idiots, and I hate them, right? That is a hell of a thing to say about your own voters.

So you only say that, and you go through these desperate efforts, you drag Lauren Bobart into the Situation room with the FBI director, Attorney General. You go through Mike Johnson, hey, all of you Republicans in Congress burn your careers, look like you're pro Epstein, if you're hiding something. But, John, Biden hit it, all the Democrats hit it, all the Republicans hit it. If it was just Trump, there's no way in the world the Democrats would have hit it. No way, they would have said it first and foremost in a thousand times. If it was just sexual, there'd be less reason to hide it at them. Yes, yes. And even if it was Democrats that were involved, I have, Democrats throw other Democrats legally

under the bus all the time. Menendez is going to jail and, you know, you've got investigations of Democratic senators, congressmen, et cetera, maybe because like some of the names are so large, et cetera. But overall, no, no, the overwhelming. Mountain of evidences, the entire United States government is covering it up because it involves an intelligence agency and very, very, very, very likely our so-called special ally, Israel. And if people found out that Israel had an asset, sleep, molest, rape, young American girls to get compromising information on powerful and rich Americans, I think people would be furious. And that is why the media is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Trump is definitively hiding something. Yeah. But is it something that Israel has on him not related to this? Is it related to this? Is it as something as ridiculous as they have him on tape being naked and he's so ego driven that he's like, no, I'll do anything. I don't know. But come on, guys, look, at this point, I don't even have to say even if you're MAGA, MAGA is even more upset in a lot of ways. Obviously Trump's hiding something.

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Price picks. It's good to be right. Is this a cover-up, right? Of course it's a cover-up. How do we know? We know because Pam Bondi said she was going to release all of the documents. The FBI said they were going to release. Cash Patel was calling for the release. And now they're going to release. And now they're not releasing the documents. Now, does that mean that's because Donald Trump engaged in criminal activity? No. In fact, you talk to the people who have actually talked to all the victims in this case, and they will tell you that they don't have any evidence of Donald Trump engaging in any criminal activity. So the truth is, if they release the documents, it is probably the case

that there wouldn't be any evidence of Donald Trump engaging in criminal activity. But there would also be probably evidence of things that are embarrassing for Donald Trump, things he doesn't want out there. And I think there's an important distinction there to talk about in connection with that. But there is no question that anyone else would not be able to survive this. Donald Trump, I think by 2026, this issue will be forgotten. Yeah, look, I can't say for sure exactly when he references stuff that might be embarrassing. I don't know if he's thinking of things that could be embarrassing but not illegal in the sexual realm or embarrassing in the wider sense having to do with foreign policy communications with foreign leaders or whatever that could encompass a lot of different things.

If it's just stuff that is embarrassing but not illegal sexually, look, Donald Trump does not want to be embarrassed, obviously, but what could it possibly be in that area that would be worse for him if it came out than the cover up has been? because the cover up has made him look so bad, not just to the opposition, not just people with like pink hats on or whatever, but like even MAGA thinks he looks super suspicious. I don't know how, man, that that angle of him naked must have been really bad to justify all of this. I just, I don't, I don't buy it. Yeah. So look, he had me at a place where I'm like, okay, I don't mind what he's saying. It's definitely a cover up. That's true, right? Might not be Donald Trump. I agree. It might not be Donald Trump that did it. He lost me at it'll be forgotten by 2026. Oh come on brother, what planet are you on? No, no, it will not be forgotten within a month and a half. No, let alone a year and a half, let alone a decade. And look, Dan's, I like Dan, I wouldn't describe as Israel first, but does he love and cherish Israel? Yes.

So, and now he's in a pattern of people who love and cherish Israel. Israel who are like, this is a minor issue. Really, we gotta go. It's not a big deal. It's yeah, come on, come on, come on. We're gonna forget about it. You already forgot, right? Right, right, right, right, right, bra, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, but what's the big deal?

Guys, you're giving away what's happening. It's, you're making it super obvious. Yeah. Well, here's what Laura Lumer had to say. We've talked about the regular people. go to the philosophers now. Laura Lumber says, you can't be outraged by the Epstein saga and simultaneously not be outraged by the fact that we have Muslims serving in Congress. Their prophet was an infamous pedophile. Nobody wants to talk about that. Is that the most relevant thing going on

right now? By the way, it is true, though. Only Islam has weird sex stuff hidden. None of the other They're all squeaky clean. Catholics, no, Catholics model religion, obviously in that area. No, she's just, she's just a terrible, hateful person, that's all it is. Now, obviously there is an agenda there, as I'm sure you're referencing, but she also believes that we should have religious tests for a public office. So there's two things in there, right? One is, stop, stop, stop talking about Epstein.

They're the Muslims, the Muslims, the Muslims, right? So lately what's happening is, so there's like, You'll be shocked to find out there's a lot of Israeli bots and trolls that follow me online. Okay, and so they all have the same talking points and they rotate through them, right? So one of the talking points is Epsi is not at all important, no one should talk about it. Hmm, things that make you go home. Okay, the second thing is what Laura Lumer is doing here. But wait a minute, don't forget about the Muslims. And remember, don't hate the Jews.

That's like this day and seven, they should be canceled forever and ever. No one should ever speak to them again because they criticize Israel. They're anti-Semites and bigots. We can't accept bigots like this. The Muslims, that's the ones you should hate. You should hate them to your core. You should hate all of them. How can you say don't be bigoted against Jews?

And then turn around and say, definitely be bigoted against Muslims. And I know why are they all doing it? Laura's just like the queen B of Israel first, right? The reason they're doing it is they think that the right wing voters in America are inherently racist and hateful. So they want to redirect their hate. They're like, oh, you're hating Israel. I don't like that. I don't know.

Redirect the hate. Move the ship, move the ship. Remember, we trained you and we brainwash you to hate all of our neighbors so that when we attack them and take their land, we appear to be the victims and you already despise them. Oh, look at that. It's the same neighbors, the Muslims. Remember to hate the Muslims, and that is Israeli propaganda. So don't tell me not to hate Israel.

Look, I get past it anyway, and I want them to be safe and I want two beautiful independent states. But that's because I'm a wonderful person. The state of Israel has done overwhelming propaganda to try to get Americans to hate Muslims, to hate my family, to hate my community. And unfortunately, it has worked. And so they are disgusting, their government, they're terrorists, They are fascist, it's not close, they've done 75 October 7th. If one October 7th is terrible, which it is, 75 is much, much, much, much, much worse.

They are much worse than Hamas. That is an empirical fact. They target people, civilians at a higher rate. Mark Levin on tape, Tucker Carlson criticized him the other day on the show. Mark Levin saying, yeah, we should kill all, we should kill their civilians. Randy Fine saying we should kill their civilians, that is literally what terrorists say. They starve their kids. Yeah, and nuke them and all that.

So they are, it's a terrorist state backed by a bunch of terrorist sympathizers in this country like Mark Levin, Randy Fine and Laura Lumer. And now their effort is to get you to ignore Epstein and the folks who actually did crimes against Americans. Yeah. And the way that they're going to get you to ignore it is by getting you to hate a different religious group. And so it's doubly disgusting.

And that's exactly what. Laura Lumer is. She is the personification of disgusting. Yeah, yeah. She's like that sludge in Star Trek the next generation. It's just hatred that just accrues into a black mass. That's all it is. with all the latest slots in live casino games and with no wagering requirements. What you win is yours to keep groovy. Hey, I won!

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What do you make of that, Chink? Yeah, I think that he is melting down in a beautiful way. But I think that what's happening is in the meltdown, he's giving us clues. So let's talk about that as you tell us. I like clues, okay, well let's jump into first what he had to say and then some of the Republican reactions to it. So he took more than a full day off of truth social posting, which is already like, if that's happening, there's something big going on. Either it's that bad of a scandal or the micro seizures have gotten really bad. Those are the only times he takes a full day off.

So when he did come around to it, he said the Democrats are doing everything in their withering power to push the Epstein hoax. Again, some capital W weak Republicans have fallen into their clutches because they are soft and foolish. Epstein was a Democrat and he's the Democrats problem, not the not the Republicans problem. But if he was a Democrat, why was he your best friend for literally decades? I don't know, maybe it was a bipartisan friendship, I don't know. So anyway, it's not his problem, it's their problem. Well, there evidently are a lot of weak and soft Republicans these days because many of them are saying, no, we should probably get to the bottom of this. First, here is Senator John Kennedy.

Well, here is the way that my people here in Louisiana see it, Casey. My people want to know who else, if anyone, did Epstein traffic young women too? And if they were punished, how were they punished? And if they weren't punished, why? Now, President Trump has turned that issue over to Attorney General Bondi. And to be, I don't know how she is going to answer that question for the American people without releasing all the records. Maybe she can, but that's, I just don't think this issue is going to go away until that issue is, is addressed and answered to the American people's satisfaction. Yeah.

And I may end up with a sombrero on my head for saying that, but that's, that's the way I see it. That's actually kind of the funniest thing I think he's ever said at the end, because that's probably what's going to happen. I would say maybe the sombrero and then a plane would dump a diary on you. But yeah, look, and that's not a guy that has been like fighting gung-ho to release his stuff all this time. I feel like he's probably getting a lot of pressure from his constituents to do something about this. And it's not just him. Here is Representative Marjorie Taylor Green. This is information that has needed to come out for a very long time.

and the American people have demanded it. And so the American people deserve to see transparency from their government. Rich, powerful people should not be protected. That is completely wrong. And it's a message to victims everywhere, victims of rape, human trafficking, and children who are trapped in terrible situations, that the government will not protect the predators, that we will work hard to protect the victims.

And so that's good. Now she more so than John Kennedy has been consistent on this for a number of months, including not only signing out of the discharge petition, but also showing up at that press conference of the survivors. Now that said, despite the fact that throughout this week, her feud with Donald Trump has been accelerating pretty fast, and I've enjoyed seeing that, she at least as of like yesterday, is still pretending like Donald Trump wants transparency. And that is just, that is such a ridiculous thing to claim to believe at this point. It's not just her. They're all doing that. Lauren Bober, after being brought into the situation room to take her name off of the discharge petition, comes out and says, I'm fighting with Donald Trump for transparency. Like, no, you're not. You're not at all. This dude wants to kill this story. He doesn't want a single page to ever be released. And so I hate that they can't be honest about that. I understand the pressure they're under. They don't want to have a sombrero on their head and trans social. But anyway, it is good to see them coming out and saying disclosure should happen. We'll end with Representative Thomas Massey, obviously who helped to begin that discharge petition.

He said Republicans should consider a post-Trump world ahead of the Epstein vote. They need to look past 2028 and wonder if they want this on their record for the rest of their political career. Because eventually, Donald Trump is not going to be around to protect them or to try to distract from this issue. And we know that the base wants to focus on this topic. And so if you voted to stop this stuff from coming out, that could show up in ads, that could show up on the debate stage. It would not be a good look for them. Yeah, so look, Donald Trump is giving you clues by giving the game away. So later in the show, we're gonna talk more about how he's saying, okay, now I want you to investigate Epstein.

Wait, I thought you said it was a hoax, but only Democrats. But when you say only Democrats, that implies you know for a fact that Republicans also did it. Because I wouldn't say to you, look, I want you to investigate how Israel is manipulating our Congress, but not Turkey, but not Turkey. But not Turkey, because then you think, why is Turkey also doing it, right? And so, but he, it doesn't know any better. And so he attacks his own voters and he attacks his own party. And that's a mistake. And so now the mistake is proven by, not by Green or Massey, but by Kennedy.

Why? Because Tom Massey's been right about this from day one and he's been principled and that's why we give him credit. He votes for the Republicans 91% of the time. That means I disagree with him 91% of the time. Okay, maybe 87, 89, right? But overall, no, I don't agree with his policies. But he's been honest, and you've got to give the brother his due. Now, Marjorie Taylor Green came into that camp.

Now there are two of them, as they would say in Star Wars. Okay. Great movie. And give Marjorie Taylor Green a lot of credit for standing up, doing the right thing, being honest. And that was a great line about, hey, we're supposed to protect the victims, not the predators, right? So that's a come up into Trump that is significant. I mean, that's like now a tombstone reference. That's like slap across the face. We're going to sit there and bleed all day? Or are you going to do something about it? And Trump's like,

panicking. Don't investigate me. Bill could, some other guy. Okay, but not Israel and not me. Not Israel, not me, not Israel, not me, okay? You're kind of giving the game away. So why is Kennedy the most relevant? Because Kennedy is an old school politician. He's foghorn, leghorn, right? And he's been around forever. And Kennedy doesn't move unless all of his voters have moved, okay?

So Kennedy's going to stick with the powerful. He's going to stick with his donors. He's going to stick with Trump and we've seen him do it. If he moves, it's only because that's it. If he doesn't move, he's going to lose power. because his base is gone. Yeah. And that's why he kept saying, my people, my people are chickens,

but still, they've also said Trump did it. No, no, they're not saying, to be fair, the Republicans in Louisiana aren't saying Trump did it. They're saying somebody did it. And it's obvious that Trump, like every administration before him, is hiding and protecting the predators and not the victims. Yeah. Well, why don't we take our first break? We come back. We have actually a bit more of that feud between Marjor Taylor Green and Trump, but not on Epstein. This time we're going to be talking about prices. It's the most powerful iPhone ever, plus more peace of mind with your bill over five years.

This is big. Get the new iPhone 17 Pro at tellus.com slash iPhone 17 Pro on select plans. Conditions and exclusions apply. President Trump and his administration does deserve a lot of credit for lowering inflation and inflation. holding it steady. But that doesn't bring prices down. And so gaslighting the people and trying to tell them that prices have come down is not helping. It's actually, it's actually infuriating people because people know what they're paying as a grocery store. They know what they're paying for their kids clothes and school supplies. You don't gaslight them. You don't

lecture them and you don't deny what's happening. That is of course, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green on Sean Spicer's show yesterday. And her, The gap between her and Donald Trump appears to be growing by the day because she's not just saying he's not doing enough on prices. She's saying he's gaslighting. He's lecturing. Effectively, she's saying he's lying about the situation. That seems like a nice step forward away from Donald Trump and towards the truth. What do you think? I think this is really important because now we're not just talking about Epstein or Israel or foreign policy. Now we're at the core of other Republicans, mind you it's only a couple, but an important one, a really important one, starting to call him out on economic issues. Oh, that's important.

So there's some interesting poll results that I want to tell you about as to who is more MAGA, Marjorie Taylor Green or Trump? Drew Rams. So interesting developments, we'll get to that in a minute. We can't spell MAGA without Marjor, well, that probably doesn't work out, but it's closer than Donald. Think about it. It is closer. That's just linguistics. But anyway, he has been gaslighting people and he has been lying to people. She is right about that. He was doing it even earlier today. When he posted on true social, cost and inflation were far higher under the Sleepy Joe Biden administration than they are now. In fact, costs under the Trump administration are tumbling down, helped greatly by gasoline and energy. Affordability is a lie when used by the Dems. It is a complete con job. Thanksgiving costs are 25% lower this year. year than last under Crooked Joe, we are the party of affordability, which is weird because just like five days ago, he was saying, I don't want to hear about affordability. Now he's scrambling to come up with a way to talk about being for affordability.

There's a lot of lies there, obviously, the fact that gas prices have gone down significantly is just not true in the last year, on average nationally, it's gone down one cent a gallon. That's good, I guess, it's technically dropped, but not significantly. The Thanksgiving costs, again, that's already been a debunked thing about one particular Thanksgiving meal from one supplier that now has generics rather the name brand food and has significantly fewer items in it. It's not a general idea of how much your Thanksgiving is going to cost. So this is exactly the sort of gas lighting that Congresswoman Green was talking about. And let's get to some of what she had to say about that. On Twitter, she said,

inflation hit a 40-year record high of 9% under Biden. I give President Trump and his administration credit for bringing it down to 2.5%. But prices. are still sky high and families are drowning in debt. Congress needs to get to work. The American people can no longer afford more excuses. Now, that's not accurate in a number of different ways. It's 2.7%, it's close to 2.5, but she is slightly off there. And also, it's not like it randomly got to 9% under Joe Biden. There was a little bit of historic context necessary there. And she's also like acting as if it was 9% for the four years of the Biden administration. And then Trump came in and took it from 9 down to 2.7. That's

That's not what happened at all. I don't know if she knows that and is being dishonest or just doesn't know. But in any event, the headline inflation rate rose to 3% year over year from 2.9% in August. So it actually ticked up very slightly from August to September. That's the highest level since January. And you also have particular product categories like beef and coffee that have experienced especially significant increases. The core rate excluding food and energy ticked down to 3% from 3.1%. So I think in both of those cases, it's relatively steady over the last month or so.

And we're gonna talk later on the show about things like beef and food and coffee, what he might be trying to do now to get those prices down. But we already know that Americans are not happy about all this. We've been covering it on the network for a long time. The polls are going further and further away from Donald Trump on this topic. Over half, 55% of US adults see the economy as deteriorating under Trump's watch. That's according to a recent economist, UGov poll. His net approval on inflation and the economy has swung from slightly positive immediately after the inauguration to sharply negative right now.

And Monster.com did a survey that found that 95% of Americans say their paychecks have lagged behind the cost of living, with 94% specifically pointing to groceries as the fastest rising expense over the past year. And so I'm glad that Trump is now putting the word affordability in a true social message, but let's also be clear, he wouldn't be doing that if we hadn't been criticizing him. And you know, if Zorn Mandani hadn't made such a big deal out of it. And now perhaps because people like Marjorie Green are putting pressure on him. Yeah, so lots of things to go over here. First, look, gaslighting was, let's be honest, well, Maga's not going to agree, but the rest of us was Trump and the Republicans 101 for the last

decade. Everything was gaslighting. They're eating cats and dogs. Yeah, nope, they are. They are. I mean, I could give you, yeah, the hurricane went that way. I can give you a million examples. And they always all in unison gaslit. If Trump said something, then they all backed them and said, oh, yeah, yeah, he's, he's a model of health. He's 215 pounds. You know, I mean, we can go on and on and on, right? He's never done anything wrong financially, never hired undocumented immigrants, although he hired them on every job and every project. Okay, what's it, that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is a Marjorie Taylor Green is trying to end the gaslighting.

Wow, that's a turn of events, right? And so is that because, and mainstream media sometimes paints it this way, and it's very frustrating because it's almost like either they're totally clueless or they're doing some sort of weird propaganda. They're making it seem like she's defying Trump. and hence defying MAGA and is less conservative now. That's not true at all. And so she right now introduce legislation to kill all H-1B visas.

That is very conservative, right? And I don't agree with that. She hasn't moved at all on any of her positions on those on that stuff. She's moved on Israel. She didn't move on Epstein Fuzz. She was always for releasing it. Before she didn't talk much about Israel and generally supported them. and now is saying, why are we continuing to give them money?

So a little bit of movement there, a little bit of movement on drug prices. But overall, but it's not an anti-conservative position to be for lower drug prices. Both Democratic and Republican voters want lower drug prices. They want less war. They were all clear. So look, we, I asked this in a couple of different places. And I'm going to tell you something interesting that happened on X. But on on t yt.com, we're asking you guys, how to curiously, what do you think?

Now I get it. We're largely a progressive audience, right? Lots of independence on here, even in some conservatives as well. But on tyt.com, who do you think is more MAGA, more true to the MAGA positions, Donald Trump or Marjorie Taylor Green? Because Trump's now more pro-war, she's anti-war, right? They wanted their FST and files released. He doesn't want them released.

And now, look, you're seeing it there, right? Now that's a small sample size because we just started it. And you can go vote t.com, that's open to everybody. Okay, but then I asked on X, and that's where it gets more interesting. There's a lot more MAGA guys on X, right? And a lot of them follow me, which is kind of an interesting phenomenon that's occurred, right? So I ask who's more MAGA, Trump or Marjorie Taylor Green? First 4,000 votes, it's a landslide, 8218 Marjorie Taylor Green, okay?

then all of a sudden, tons of votes start coming in. Another 4,000 come in, all of a sudden it's 50-50. And then another 4,000 votes come in, and all of a sudden Trump's taking the lead 53-47. I don't know who's doing that or why they're doing that, right? The red mirage. But some late faction, either sent by someone or maybe organic, right? We don't know. All of a sudden, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Trump is more MAGA, and you know, I don't know what else it connects to, but they have, they're trying to put that agenda forward. But on the policies, including this one, wait a minute, you ran on inflation and on affordability. That was your, even more than immigration, that was your number one topic in the election. Now to say, I don't want to hear about affordability is not a pro MAGA position, at least based on how Trump ran in 2024. So she's, I think she's more true MAGA, but it's fascinating that one person that is true MAGA has decided to become honest.

I don't mean one person among the voters, I mean among the leadership, among politicians and media. And so, and if you're being honest, of course prices went up, right? Later in the show, we're going to talk about J.D. Vance lying through his teeth. I mean, he's hilarious. He's talking about housing prices. The housing prices only got up 1% under Trump. Under Biden, they went up.

I'm waiting for this. I'm like, is he going to deal with some fantastical number, like 25%, which is gigantic and not true? He said 100%. All housing prices doubled in the four years under Biden. Like, so that's the old gas lighting, right? Just lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. And of all people, Marjorie Taylor Green is like, no, I'm not going to lie.

And I'm going to fight for the voters that we said we were going to fight for. Yeah. So I'm going to jump in to say she's not going to lie about this. Okay, fair, fair. In some areas. Yeah, but I mean, look. She's being much more honest than the rest of them about this. No question.

And so for all the things that we disagree with her on, she's not lying about them either, right? She's saying, this is my position. And I go, okay, I don't agree with that position. So it's not like she's trying to hide it. So I'm not saying she doesn't do any lines. She's a politician. Okay, come on guys. And by all the people I like on our side also are not perfect in that category. But anyways, truth is broken out in an unexpected way. Yeah. Well, why don't we take our second break so that we can come back and talk about how Donald Trump appears to understand that he's got an

economic issue on his hands and what he's doing to try to fix it, maybe a little bit, maybe not. We'll break it down after this. Earlier today, Donald Trump signed an executive order that retroactively lowers tariffs on a number of different agricultural products, including beef, tomatoes, coffee, and bananas. And he did that amid rising concerns about the cost of these products. The idea being that he's going to get off, get rid of the tariffs, and the prices will go down. But, Jank, I am very confused about that strategy because it is the foreign countries that pay those tariffs. So why would removing the tariffs lower the price of the goods? I don't get it.

Yeah, that does seem to be a contradiction from what he was saying before. But guys, the main story here is total collapse of Trump's tariff strategy. this is a surrender. He surrendered just now right before we came on air. And there's a second giant problem with that policy, not just higher prices. I'm gonna tell you about that in a minute. And also part of the reason why he surrendered. Yeah. Yeah. And it's also, it's possible that if he does truly believe that the Supreme Court is going to strike down these tariffs, why wait and let the Supreme Court kill it? Why don't you do it and try to get some positive PR out of it along the way. I don't know. That may be beyond him strategically, but it makes

some sense to me. Now, there are these reciprocal tariffs. It's one of the, one of the areas of his tariff policy. There are many. That's sort of where these had been receiving their 10 to 50 percent price increases from. The order doesn't exempt the goods entirely from tariffs, though, the new order. So while some of the tariff is going to be removed from these particular agricultural products, that doesn't mean that they're not receiving a tariff. So for instance, Mexico, which produces a number of tomatoes that gets sent to the United States, they're still going to be tariffed at 17%. So it's not taking it down to nothing, and it's not all products. In fact, this is mostly limited to agricultural goods. There had been a separate executive order

earlier this week having to do specifically with, I believe, Sweden. But it's not like all of the tariffs are gone. Even in this area, there are still going to be tariffs. They're just going to be lower. And that is at least something though. We also, by the way, had had an earlier executive order in September, maybe that was the precursor to this, it had directed Howard Lutnik, the Commerce Secretary and the U.S. Trade Representative to decide on exemptions for more than a thousand product categories, including metals and minerals, antibiotics, plain parts, and foreign agricultural products including coffee, pineapples, avocados, and vanilla beans as well. And so they've In taking some steps in this direction, again, based on what he has said about tariffs,

doesn't make sense to do this at all, since they shouldn't raise the price for you. But obviously, as we've been telling you from the very beginning, before the tariffs even happened, that isn't actually true. He was lying to you, and he seems to be admitting that in this case. But interestingly, and maybe this gets to your point about the collapse of the entire tariff scheme, he'd been using some of these tariffs as attempted economic leverage to get a number of countries, dozens and dozens and dozens of countries to do new trade deals with him. Again, remember, he said he was going to get 90 trade deals in 90 days. He didn't get anything like that.

He still needs a lot of trade deals. And this was one of the tools he was using to get it. If he's now willingly surrendering that, he's losing that leverage and perhaps giving up on getting those new trade deals at all. Yeah, that's exactly right. So that's why I say surrender, because the people who made the trade deals with them, including all the way up to this week, have got to be totally working. regretting it now because the people who didn't make the trade deals just got rewarded.

They didn't have to give up anything in return and the tariffs were reduced. So now that's devastating for his tariff policy because if he reintroduces it, we're gonna say, oh, we're just gonna wait him out. Remember how he folded last time? He'll fold this time. And anyone who wants to do a deal with him will think, remember when we made a deal with him last time when we got burned? Yeah.

Like we thought we were being the good guys and we were stepping up first. and doing a deal with him, and we gave up a bunch of things in return, and then the guys who didn't give up anything in return wound up getting the same thing we did. So that's it, there goes his tariff policy. And so why is he doing that and giving up on a thing that is his own personal agenda? This is the one thing he believes in, he brought to the table, right? Like none of his advisors, this is not a donor thing, is a very, very rare thing where a politician actually has an idea. God help us.

Okay, and so, and he did it like again, tariffs can work. It's just, he did it in a maniacal, chaotic way, way overcharging on the tariffs. It was comical level, way too broad, not targeted, etc. So he blew it up, if you like tariffs, targeted tariffs, now you're screwed because this is going to be

such a nightmare. Nobody's ever going to want to go back to tariffs, right? So why do you do it? One, higher prices, obviously. Obviously, and he tried to say, hey, I don't want anybody talking about affordability. And now he's beginning to realize he doesn't have the same bullying power that he had before. Before he's, if he said to Republicans, that's it. I don't want to talk about affordability.

You're never going to hear it on Fox News again. You're not going to hear it on any media. You're not going to hear any Republican politicians talking about it. But now that's not happening. People on right wing media online are still talking about it. Marjorie Taylor Green is saying, no, you're wrong. It is a problem and why you can't avoid it. You can't lie your way out of the economy and prices because people see it with their own eyes.

Yeah. Maybe you get some folks to believe that folks were eating cats and dogs in Ohio because you're not in Ohio and you didn't see it with your own eyes, right? But you're not going to get them to believe that the price of food is down when it's up because they just bought it, right? So, but there's a second giant problem here, which is that our allies had started to reroute trade around us. So Latin America and Europe started making a lot more deals with China and other Asian countries. Because they're like, well, we've got to deal with this giant tariff in America. So why don't we sell our goods in other places? And they started making trade alliances.

And so people that are in the know and the government and among, you know, the markets, et cetera, we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is really dangerous. Now we're in bad territory here because if they reroute them, they're not going to bring it back. That could last 10, 20 years, right? So the horse is almost out of the barn. This is Trump kind of grabbing his tail at the end and getting dragged along. Like, don't talk about affordability.

And that's kind of, I think, the same, you talked about two different things. that have changed now, it's kind of the same problem. He's not as strong as he thinks he is. In terms of ability to wield the American economy as a blunt force weapon against our enemies and our allies, doesn't work that way. The world's more complex, it's more complex than your tiny little pea brain can understand. And you don't have the control over Maga brains that you thought you did. So that includes some specific Republicans like Marjorie Green and others.

But honestly, I don't even think it really starts there. there. I think the reason they're braver now than they were is, you don't have that control of regular people for a lot of the reasons that you broke down. You can keep telling people that gas is $2 a gallon. You could say that over and over again, they can see the price. Remember, they pump their own gas. Trump, you don't, you have it in decades, but they actually have to do that. And so I said earlier in the show that I went on true social, I saw something that made me, like gave me a little bit of hope. Donald Trump had his tweet about, you know, the affordability is a con job, it's all con, kind, everything's down, energy,

He's down and I went into the replies, which is normally, it makes Twitter look reasonable, the true social replies. It's just memes and all that stuff and it's just nonsense and conspiracy theories. Almost all of the top replies were people saying, President Trump, it's not a con job, President Trump, I love you, I love Maga, whatever, but like prices are higher, gas isn't lower. They all saw his lie and saw reality, and for once they acknowledged reality, which they have been so loath to do for a decade now. And maybe it's just in this area that he's losing that power, but maybe not.

This feels like with the election results, with this, with Epstein, this feels like the beginning of the process that makes him a lame duck. That's what it feels like to me. If he can't control the base, if he can't control our allies and our enemies, and if he can't even control Republicans in Congress anymore, then I don't know. I feel like his power is actually slipping. Well, not only that, John, but he just gave up on his signature economic policy. So it doesn't get any more power slipping away than that.

To your point about gas prices, this isn't being talked about enough, including on this show. The other day he was talking, and he's like, you know, I don't know why we don't know why we don't a voter ID. You go to the gas station, you need ID. You go to the grocery store, you need ID. No, you don't. That brother hasn't pumped gas in maybe literally ever, but certainly not in like 40 years. He hasn't gone to the grocery store. He doesn't know anything. He's so elite, right? Pretending to be a populist. Yeah. And he's like, what do the regular people do? that you have to show your driver's license to the gas man. And don't write?

What could a banana cost, $10? And then lastly, so he didn't expect the prices would go up when he put like a 10% tariff, 39% or 49% tariff. How could you not expect that? How are you surprised by that? Oh my God, prices are up. Oh my God, people hated when that was the number one issue I ran on. Oh my God, we lost every election in this cycle because people can't afford things.

Golly, she, I wish somebody would have told me that putting 49% extra on a product cost would raise costs and prices. Of course, of course it's going to raise prices. Literally everyone but Trump knew that. Yeah. And so this is reality catching out with him. And it's tough. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, we'll see if this saves him in the midterms. Yeah. Well, he is at least backpedaling. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. All right, guys, we've got a lot more coming up for you guys, including J.D. Vance now taking on the role of Chief Liar.

It's fascinating set of lies that he tells. And we've got now Trump flat out saying, I want the Justice Department to be political, and I want him to take out Democrats. So that is amazing. We'll do that when we return. You know what I'm going to be. I don't know.

Thank you.