The Young Turks - Rogan Sees Red - July 15, 2025

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

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All right, good to have you back in the studio, Casper. It is fantastic to be back, Jake. Okay, good, I love to hear that. I actually wanted to start off today with an update on our economy and some of the interesting data coming out from June, so last month, because it looks like inflation is picking up again, but if anyone's trying to fearmonger about June numbers, don't let them fearmonger about that. The results weren't as bad as expected, but still kind of bad, trending upward. So let's get to the details. Because of all of this, what will the Federal Reserve

do in the next few weeks? According to many analysts that I've been speaking with this morning, it really takes the possibility of a rate cut off the table later this month because the The Federal Reserve wants to make sure that inflation is not going to continue to accelerate before they cut rates. Remember, 2.7% is moving even farther away, Pamela, from the Federal Reserve's 2% target. Well, new data that's been released by the Labor Department indicates that inflation did rise slightly in the month of June, which is sparking a bit of a debate among economists about whether President Donald Trump's trade wars and tariffs have already begun to increase

consumer prices, or if there's something else at play. Now, before I get to the granular details here, I just want to note, one of the major areas or two areas of inflation in the month of June were in regard to housing, which continues to go up in price month after month for obvious reasons. We have a housing crisis, no government official, whether we're talking about the federal government or local governments are really taking this seriously enough. Maybe Austin, Texas is a good example of a city that's kind of bucking the trend. They started building more housing and housing prices have actually gone down in Austin as a result. But elsewhere in the country, we're not seeing that same Austin trend because we're not building

enough housing. The other area where there was inflation that's not related to tariffs has to do with gas. Gas rose in price last month. Why? just because of that small 12 day war that Israel and Iran had engaged in and also our part in it, so that had an impact on the oil market as well. Now with that in mind, let's take a look at this graph using Labor Department data to kind of show you how much inflation went up in the month of June. So if you take a look at this, according to the Wall Street Journal,

consumer prices rose 2.7% in June from a year earlier, which was faster than May's increase of 2.4%. Core inflation, which exclude volatile food and energy prices, was 2.9% also in line with forecasts. And according to the Wall Street Journal, month over month, consumer prices rose 0.3% in June compared with May, as economists had expected. Core prices rose by 0.2%, slightly less than the 0.3% increase economists had predicted. And, you know, lending some credibility to the argument that economists have been making in regard to Trump's trade wars and how that's going to lead to inflation. You'll notice that the inflation was most prominent in areas like home furnishings and supplies, which rose by 1% in June compared with May. Obviously, we rely heavily

on, you know, foreign imports for furniture and supplies. So we're talking about an industry that's very vulnerable to tariffs. Video and audio products also rose by 1.1%. Toys rose by one point, I'm sorry, 1.8%. We get about 80% of our toys from China. And so, and clothing, by the way, a lot of clothing is made in other countries and imported in the United States. You'll notice an increase of 0.4% in the cost of clothes in June compared to May. So, Jank, I don't think it's surprising that these are the areas in which we're seeing inflation. I do think it lends some credence to the argument that Trump's tariffs are starting to have an impact on consumer prices. Yeah. So remember he famously said, you know, you don't need $30. You only need $2, because

he knew that the price of toys was going to go out because 80% of them are produced abroad. So now the most important part is Trump's pressuring the Federal Reserve to lower the rates, which stimulates the economy. But they were, they were reluctant to do that. because they said, well, what if inflation goes back up, then if we lower the rates, that'll actually compound the problem, and it'll actually greatly increase inflation at a time when it was already rising. And so because of the tariffs, we're not sure. Now we're a little bit more certain the inflation has begun, has rebegun, right? And so now the Federal Reserve, that's why in the beginning, and I alluded to the Federal Reserve going, well, okay, now

I guess we're definitely not going to lower rates, because if we lower rates, we lower rates, when inflation is going up, it's going to be way worse. Yeah, it's going to heat up the economy even more. Right, right. So that's why when Donald Trump, he's, I don't know if at the end everyone will agree or not, but he's such a simple minded man. And I know I still have to convince a lot of people of that, but like for him to understand the simple concepts of, yes, if you cut interest rates, the economy gets stimulated.

You understand that, he does, okay? Now, but if you over stimulate the economy, the inflation goes up. So if inflation is already rising, prices are already rising, if you cut rates, you'll over stimulate the economy, and then you'll have out of control inflation. Trump doesn't understand that. He's so simple-minded, he doesn't understand the simplest economic concepts. Because if he understood that right now, he'd be telling the Federal Reserve, don't raise rates, I'm sorry, don't lower rates, don't lower rates, right?

And so he's like, lower rates, I want better economy. me, lower rates. You schmuck, it's gonna make it worse for you. You still have three and a half years left. Right, and I mean, he has, and it's not just the Trump administration, we've had terrible economic policies for several administrations in a row now. But with Trump, think about the whole picture here, right? So he just cut a ton of, a ton of revenue that would go into the federal government in the form of these massive tax cuts in that giant omnibus bill that they just passed. He's trying to make up for that revenue by, of course, cutting Medicare, cutting food stamps, things like that. But on top of that, by upping the ante with tariffs, which,

yes, tariffs do increase revenue for the federal government, but they decrease your disposable income or your income in general because you're paying a lot more for products that are being imported to the United States. And I guess Trump's solution to this is make borrowing cheaper, which again will over-stimulate the economy, which is why Jerome Powell has been standoffish about cutting rates further. He's kind of sitting and waiting to see just how much Trump's trade wars are going to impact consumer prices. But it's just more of this borrow, borrow, borrow, it's okay, more debt for Americans, that's the way we're going to solve everything mentality. And I don't think that's the right mentality to have. Consumer debt

is already at record levels. Yeah, no, no, this is a, look, right now it's not a disaster. Right now it's a modest increase in inflation. Right. Right. But if he keeps going this direction, but luckily he won't, I don't think he'll be able to move the Federal Reserve. But if you move the Federal Reserve to cut rates, then you're talking disaster.

Because the worst of the tariffs still haven't hit, he keeps delaying them and delaying them and delaying them. So like if you're thinking, oh, the big tariffs and then inflation only went up a little No brother, they haven't even begun yet. August 1st is when he claims the tariffs will start. Look, he could chicken out like he always does, right? And maybe we never get any of these tariffs. There's already some obviously.

And that's partly what's causing this. But we don't get the mega ones, the 30%, 40%, etc. Well, I don't know about that because I, you know, this is such an underreported story. But the trade negotiations have ended with Vietnam. And you want to know what the tariff is for anything produced in Vietnam and imported to the United States, it's 20%, okay? Anything that was produced in a third country shipped to Vietnam and then shipped to the United States will be tariffed at 40%.

Yeah, so look, these are, if he, either he's gonna have to indefinitely delay them, or at some point he's gonna say, all right, there's no deals or there's half of deals and those deals are already like monster numbers, right? Yeah, huge. So if he actually goes through with the majority of the tariffs, then those numbers are to be way higher. Right. And so economists who argue that the tariffs are going to be absorbed by the consumers are looking at this data and saying, this is just the tip of the iceberg. We're gonna wait and see what happens in July. One area that's really interesting here,

though, is what happened to the price of new vehicles, so new cars. And what the data show is that new cars actually fell by 0.3% in June in terms of price. And there are multiple different reasons for why this might be. It could be due to companies essentially rushing to stock up on their inventory prior to the tariffs hitting. Or maybe Americans actually decided to purchase the new cars prior to Trump's original tariff negotiation deadline, the one that he announced on Liberation Day, which I believe was supposed to be July 9th. Now it's August 1st. And there's also some argument that companies are eating the costs, which is why the inflation hasn't really hit consumers yet. I'm less likely to believe that, considering how unbelievably

greedy our companies are. I mean, the whole reason why they're manufacturing products abroad or why that started in the first place was to exploit cheap labor to keep their costs down. But one other thing I want to just note is going back to what Jenk was saying about interest rates, you know, it is unlikely that this data will do anything to persuade Jerome Powell to lower interest rates in the month of June. And while inflation in June wasn't earth-shattering, Trump is ramping up his trade war. It's important to know that. So on Saturday, Trump said that the U.S. would start charging 30% levies on goods from Mexico and the European Union beginning on August 1st. That's the new deadline. On Monday, Trump threatened 100% secondary tariffs on

Russia, if it didn't reach a peace deal with Ukraine. And also I should note that Trump is threatening additional tariffs on so-called BRICS nations. These are companies like Russia, Brazil, who are attempting to dethrone the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. Trump is saying that he's gonna slap those countries or any other country that does business with them with 10% tariffs. And Goldman Sachs, economists estimate that the US consumers will end up paying. 70% of tariffs direct costs, Walmart said in May that it would be forced to raise prices

in response to tariffs and clothing brand Ralph Lauren has also said it was considering price increases. But Jake, what's really interesting about this is there was a lot of fear and a lot of concern about Trump's tariffs in earlier months. But apparently recent polling shows they're not as concerned. People are not as small businesses especially are not as concerned as they previously were. Why do you think that is? Oh, I know why. Because Taco, Trump always chickens out. So they believe that Taco Tuesdays is every day. So they're at the markets, and I think they're wrong, but the markets are absolutely convinced that Trump is bluffing completely. And he's not going to do any of the major tariffs, right?

So I have mixed feelings about that. I think that he's a giant bluffer, but he thought he could bluff the whole world, which is going to bring us back to Bricks in a second, but it didn't work. And the world is now going, yeah, no, we're not going to do those deals. Now what are you going to do, right? And so either he's going to completely taco, right, and just get rid of most of them, especially now that the tax cuts have passed, then he doesn't need that as an excuse, etc., or he's going to dig in. If he digs in, that's when we hit a disaster. And I want to actually go to one

of our members here because they made a really good point that I want to address. I love all your handles. They're all hilarious. Mr. Scruffy 04 has written on Twitch because we do a serious news show. Even if Trump reversed all the tariffs, the damage is done. We're an unreliable trading partner to the rest of the world now. See, but that's smartest audience in the country. That's right, because what's happening now, as Anna explained with the Bricks, is they're now trying to find a way around America. Okay. There's also something known as the Basel reforms. I'm not 100% informed about this.

So bear with me as I try to explain it. But one of the reforms is they essentially want to go back to not necessarily the gold standard, but move away from printing money. You know what I mean? So have currency tied to gold because you can print currency, but you can't print gold. Yeah. So I don't know how that's going to work. So that's a much longer and complicated conversation. But what if bricks includes India and China, bricks is gigantic, right? And so all they need is basically Europe and Japan and South Korea. And they're like, then America becomes an afterthought.

By the way, it would be absolutely disastrous for America if that, if the U.S. dollar is no longer considered the reserve currency, by the way, rather than investing in, you know, America, American currency, you have the global markets kind of moving away and instead investing in gold. So that's like a current trend that's happening. And these Basel reforms are apparently going to play a big role in that. I'm gonna do an in-depth segment on that for tomorrow's show so you guys couldn't understand and like what I'm talking about here. Yeah, so last thing guys for me on this is that look, Russia's part of bricks.

And if when they invaded Ukraine, we got to bully them in a lot of ways. We got to do sanctions, free some bank accounts, grab some yachts and have the world unite against them, right? But if the world unites against us, because we have a maniacal president that it's trying to go back, 120, 30 years in the tariff regime, right? Then and they stop using the dollar, oh my God, then our interest rates are going to go up. Our debt payments are going to go way up. Our debt's going to go up overall. We're going to be a super tough economic times.

So we've got a toddler in the White House, like playing around with things that he could break and shouldn't be broken. I mean, super last thing is this is exactly the debate. the debate that I had with the right wingers right before the election. And Dan Holloway from Drinking Bros said, I know he's a bull in a China shop, but we hate the China shop so much. We're gonna send him in. And I thought that was a terrible idea. This is what a bull in a China shop does. He breaks things and a lot of things he shouldn't break. They've got videotape and all of a sudden they don't, you know, you have the director of the FBI on this show saying there's no, if there was, nothing you're looking for is on those tapes. Like, what? Why did they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible? Why did they say that? Joe Rogan has officially broken his silence on the Epstein cover-up.

He did so on his podcast, the Joe Rogan experience, and we should watch more of what he had to say. Yeah, she said it literally, I think a week before you had the FBI director sitting here telling you there was nothing, right? She said something about that there was like thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible crimes. There is. And didn't the FBI dude say that there was nothing? Cash Patel said there's nothing you're looking for Oh, okay Okay I mean what am I going to do? I'm going to push back

Right, no of course I understand He's saying what he has to say Right Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens of thousands of videos Tens of thousands Jesus Christ The comment made to reporters

The White House days after a similar remark to a stranger with a hidden camera raised the stakes for President Donald Trump's administration to prove It has in its possession in previously unseen Capellic documents or just bombing ran and everybody forget just bombing ran yeah everybody forgets about it so before i go to you jank i want to show the audience what they were referring to when they mentioned cash patel by the way rogan's guest is danny jones

they're referring to something that fbi director cash patel stated on rogan's podcast just last month so let's take a quick look at that there's been like 15 years of people coming in in and creating fictions about this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of an Epstein Island of X, Y, and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't give that to you if it existed? Okay, so look, there have been a lot of weird, shady things going on, Jank. And I am not pleased with the fact that I wasn't here.

I was taking a break when all of this went down, okay, I wanted to be here to. witness and comment on the circus. So I'll do it now. First of all, let's not forget the fact that the Trump administration released a video purporting to show Epstein's jail cell or prison cell. See, no one could have gone in there, no one killed him, it was a suicide. Okay, except there was like a full minute missing from the video as wired reporting made abundantly clear. Why did you guys doctor the video? What's that about? Like what is going? It's so obvious. This is the sloppiest cover up in American history. No, Anna, Pam Bondi says that every prison video has a minute missing.

Oh, does it? Oh, is that just standard operating procedure? We got to delete a minute from the video? Yeah, every prison video I've seen has had a minute missing magically. Okay, but you, I don't know if you saw the wired story, then they realized, no, the whole thing's edited it. Like the minute missing is actually less relevant than the fact that they said it was raw footage and it was not at all raw footage.

they edit it together. It's just a, it's a circus. This is a post on X from Wired. They write metadata from the raw Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes. And 53 seconds were removed from one of two stitched together clips. The cut starts right at the missing minute. They're such clowns. Come on guys, come on.

Do they think we're all like senators who don't understand how technology work? Right, like, no, I hear it's a series of tubes and you can't figure it out. So look, even we'll talk about this a little bit later in the show too, but even Candace Owens literally said to the Trump team, do you think we're stupid? Do you think your entire base is full of idiots and they'll just believe whatever you say? They do, they do think. Well, I mean, so what's interesting is that establishment like, like, libs, right? Radlips, yeah, rad libs that are like- Do think the base is stupid. Right, the rad-libs and the Trump team agree about how stupid the MAGA bases.

Yes. Like, so they just, they have both sides have enormous disdain for the Trump voters. I got word for news for you, Chank, okay, politicians in general have deep disdain for the American people. I think that's pretty clear in the way that they operate. And guys, to that point, real quick, so two things about Biden, people are like, oh, I don't like what you bring up Biden. Sad day for you, man, this is about, because we're talking about what is the American government, right? Because Biden also had a strategy called trust Biden. And so that was for the bills, and they told progressives, don't, just like Cash Patel in that clip, do you not trust me? I'm saying that there are no tapes.

Trust me, bro. And so that's what Biden did too. But that and they then parlay that into, now remember when Joe Biden tells you that he's young and dynamic and he's the best Democrat in the country to run against Trump, trust me, bro, you're going to have to trust me. And the Democratic voters in the beginning trusted him until they saw with their own eyes the debate. And now the Republican voters trusted Trump. But beyond the Republican voters, Joe Rogan and a lot of those guys trusted Trump. But now this is kind of like the Biden debate where they're seeing a melt down right in front of their eyes on the Epstein files and insult their intelligence. Yeah.

Like the Democrats who were insulting Democratic voters intelligence. Exactly. I'm glad you added that last part because for anyone in the audience who gets upset at any insulting conversation toward Biden, why are you loyal to a guy who thought you were stupid? Okay, why are you loyal to someone? And why do you want to provide cover? for someone who was so egotistical, so narcissistic, that he decided to run for re-election, thus creating the very situation that we're in at this very moment. Yeah. Okay, no, there's no, you should never be loyal to any politician. They're politicians.

What's wrong with you? Yeah, now back to Rogan. So look, there was a theory that he was in a cult and he was MAGA and he was a fascist and he was all those things. And that so he was going to just bend the knee to Trump on everything. How's that theory working out for you? So look, people can make all sorts of excuses. They can move every goalposts in the world.

Oh no, it's just about immigration. It's just about Abrago Garcia. It's just about mass deportations. It's just about Usterk and Mahmoud Halil being taken away. It's just about attacking Iran. It's just about Epstein files. Bro, what's left? And by the way, oh, it's just about adding 3.3 trillion to the debt.

So there were things that Trump has done. He's certainly his base was very happy with. There's things that Trump has done that Rogan and the other guys. I assume we're happy with, but we haven't seen any of those clips, but I assume it, right? Yeah. Right? So I'm sure there is. But are they now saying what the F to like a half a dozen super important things he did?

Yes, and you're seeing it with your own eyes. Absolutely. And guys, the reason why that's so important is because those voters that listen to Rogan and Theo Vaughn and Tim Dillon and all those guys. and Andrew Schultz, who's now furious with Trump, right? They're there for the taking. And I don't mean that in some nefarious way if you're right wing, right? I'm just saying if those guys are mad at Trump because they have at least a populist strand in them, anti-war, anti-corruption, et cetera.

And Epstein files is corruption, right? So, and they certainly are furious about that corruption. Then give them a real alternative. Don't be fake and don't try to trick them, right? Just say, hey, look, guys, you want populism. That's what we do on the populist left. That's what Bernie's been about the entire time, right? And so, and now with, at least with rebellion pack, we shed the culture war stuff.

There's no reason, like populace plank.com, those six things are supernova popular with everyone, left, right, and middle. So there is a real alternative out there. By the way, mainstream media never covers that. So the, but why it connects to this conversation is when the rogues of the world begin to turn as they are, take yes, for an answer, go talk to them and invite those voters to the right place where they actually belong. Not with establishment Democrats, not with establishment Republicans, and not with Trump. Well, let's stay on topic, but move on to a different angle here because debates are being had. Okay, and one of those debates took place recently between Megan Kelly and Ben Shapiro on Megan

Kelly's podcast. Let's take a look. I have the names of the people who are making the claim that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. You can't come to me and say, everybody I know says he killed himself. And then I respond saying, I actually have my own sources who say he didn't. And then you say, well, your sources are not valid because they won't put their names on it. The same thing holds true for people who are making claims on the other side. Otherwise, I can claim that he was working for a cadre of space aliens who are blackmailing high profile Americans in order to protect from a future invasion.

Megan Kelly recently debated Ben Shapiro on the notion that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself while in prison. And while Kelly hasn't really made a definitive statement about anything related to Epstein, she wants more evidence, she wants openness and transparency. Ben Shapiro, interestingly enough, quick and pretty eager to buy the government's claims. Interesting. Now, the debate began with Megan Kelly potentially breaking news here about some of what her sources have been telling her about Epstein behind the scenes. Let's take a look. I have my own sources high up in the law enforcement, let's say, I'll just go that far, who say not only do we believe he was an agent, but we don't believe he killed himself. I mean, that's fine. Then they should come out and they should say

that. And then they should say who's covering that up. Okay, but this is what. Ben, they can Can't. I mean, there are a lot of people who say they can't, right? They're they can't because let's look at what the administration is saying right now. They don't want to be the one to cross Trump. But my position is like show us all the evidence so we can come to our own conclusions. I have names of the people. So I agree with you. That's fine. So Ben Shapiro says he has his own sources. And I want to go to that video next because it's interesting who he's relying on here. He names names. Megan Kelly says, look, these are conversations I've had with sources off the record.

I haven't gotten permission to share their name. So I'm not going to do that. Shapiro's like, I've got my own sources. I'm going to name some names. So let's hear who they are. I have the names of the people who are making the claim that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself and that the most gross and sort of extreme of the conspiracy theories or theories. Just don't even call them conspiracy theories.

The most sort of, you know, extreme version of the theory is not true. I have names of the people who are claiming that. Okay, they are all in the administration. You can't come to me and say, everybody I know says he killed himself. And then I respond saying, I actually have my own sources who say he didn't. And then you say, well, your sources are not valid because they won't put their names on it. Okay, who are your sources? Let's go down the list and then we'll talk about why they might be saying that.

My sources are the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States, Cash Patel, the head of the FBI, Dan Bonchino, the deputy head of the FBI, and Pam Bondi, the attorney general. Your sources are the people that are alleged to have taken part in the cover up? Okay. Because he keeps saying in this conversation, but in other things I've seen him say as well, like, yeah, sure I agree, they should release the files. He almost does it with a smirk, like, yeah, good luck with that, right?

So I can say anything I want about it now, because I know that Trump's not releasing the files, and obviously the Democrats never released the files, we got this, right? He seems like almost thrilled that the files are not released. And then he says, oh, are there people inside the government who say that it is intelligence agencies or, you know, that there really are clients? Well, why don't they come out then? Actually, let's go to that video because I appreciate what Megan Kelly says in response to his argument. Take a look. You've got cash, you've got Dan, and you've got Pam, and we've already discussed that memo in full detail. I'm talking about people behind the scenes who prior to this,

to Trump taking office, I'm not going to get too specific. But trust me, I have high-level sources who said they don't believe any of that. Any of that. Okay. So I'm not going to out them for purposes of convincing you, but you're telling me name them. I know, I'm not going to. I don't have authorization. And then you say, well, I dismiss all of it because you won't name them. Hold on, Megan, I'm not saying you should name them. I'm saying they should name themselves because otherwise they are being complicit in one of the greatest cover-ups in the history. That's easy for you to say, Ben. That's very easy for me to say. Why? Because you'll have your job and you'll have your millions, wouldn't no matter what they do. Megan, give me a break.

There are reasons not to cross the people who are in charge. And that's all I'm going to say. And look, this is me not having drawn a conclusion. I don't know what the truth is. And in addition to Shapiro still being able to enjoy his job and his millions, right? Or anyone who is part of the cover up being able to enjoy their jobs and their millions. I mean, there have been a lot of strange deaths among individuals who were associated with Epstein as well. And we'll get to that in just a minute.

But the other thing I'll just say is Ben Shapiro insists on just believing what Trump administration officials are saying about the Epstein files. Okay, but there is reason to not trust them, especially after they put out a doctored video of Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell. No? Is that not suspicious at all to Ben Shapiro that doesn't make these government officials lose credibility, these cabinet members of Trump's administration lose credibility? Yeah, so what he's saying is, look, most of us think that Epstein was killed because there's no video of the hallway.

They put out a fake video of the common room. It doesn't make any sense. We said on the day of that if there was no video in the hallway, he was likely killed. And every part of their story is falling apart, et cetera. So keep that in mind as then Ben Shapiro grins and goes, oh, if they'd like to, they should come out and say it. Well, the last guy who had evidence, Jeffrey Epstein, got killed in an American prison. And both the Republicans and the Democrats said it was no big deal. And they covered up that story.

So now you think it's no big deal for somebody to come out and say, yeah, I have all the evidence of either the CIA or Mossad or Clinton and Trump together doing all this when there's bodies everywhere. And so, and the other thing is, why is Shapiro and Mark Levin and almost every Israeli supporter, the only ones out there going, yeah, we got to move on. We got to move on. And this is it. There's nothing to see here. There's nothing to see here. And so.

They're adding to the suspicions that people like us have. 100%. Like I wasn't nearly as suspicious until they started like panicking. Exactly. Exactly. And so, but one more thing about that. So he says, oh, well, my services are Donald Trump. What, don't you trust Donald Trump?

No, no. No, so he's saying that in a taunting way, because forget the audience and the voters. A lot of the social media hosts and influencers are afraid of completely crossing Trump because they're worried about the reaction, right? So he knows that he could play that trick with Megan Kelly and Megan Kelly has to at least go only halfway in that direction, right? She can't say, yeah, I don't trust Trump. So he's doing a rhetorical trick, but wait a minute, every time that Trump,

disagreed with Israel, Ben Shapiro came out was like, this is wrong, this is outrageous. Trump, is there? What, you didn't trust Trump? Yeah. I thought you trusted Trump with everything. Watch, you'll see Ben Shapiro disagree with Trump a dozen more times in the next three and a half years, right? And every time you can say to what, don't you trust Trump? Don't you trust Trump? No, it's just a debating trick, right? It's, the reality is he doesn't trust Trump. He trusts Israel and only Israel. Yeah, and look, one of the theories, and I was skeptical of this theory, but I warmed up to the idea after listening to the whole Epstein series from the Martyr Made podcast, because it's so well sourced. And there's a lot of citations there that I looked into personally. And it just got me thinking, let's put it that way. But there's other elements of Epstein's life and death and the associates he had that make one believe,

Yeah, it seems like he was either working with Mossad or was an asset of Mossads. So for instance, Alex Acosta, I've mentioned this before, who was the prosecutor in the Epstein case, took it easy on him and also gave him a sweetheart plea deal. And when he was asked about it after the fact, Acosta said, well, I was told to back off because Epstein was intelligence. Okay, that's interesting. And then there are other suspicious deaths of Epstein-tied individuals like model, model agent Luke, Jean-Luc Bernal, or Bernal, I should say, who was actually being investigated for supplying minors, girls to Jeffrey Epstein.

He was actually close associate of Epstein's. He also allegedly killed himself while in prison. and the cameras were also coincidentally off at the time that the suicide happened. I'm sure it's all a coincidence. The official Epstein autopsy said that it was suicide, right, that he hanged himself. But Epstein's brother said that upon further investigation, the bone fractures weren't consistent with a hanging. I don't know how much credibility there is behind that. But you also have Virginia Dufre, Joufrey, I forget her last name specifically, but she was the one who

accused Prince Andrew of assaulting her and, you know, being part of all of this. She's gone now. She's dead. She was. I have one more. Galane Maxwell's dad. Robert Maxwell, who was tied to Mossad. That's well known. Not tied to Mossad. He was Mossad. Right. Right. So one of a legendary Israeli spy. But around the time of the Epstein news was breaking, he fell off his boat in the middle of the ocean and passed away. Yeah, that happens often. It happens in Russia a lot.

And now, and by the way, I mean, yes, I know. Of course, Israel would never do that because it's not like they've killed a record number of journalists. Oh, right, they did in Gaza. It's not like they've killed a record number of human rights workers. Oh, right, they did in Gaza. It's not like they killed a record number of children.

Oh, right, they did in Gaza. Or American. Yeah, but what's hilarious to me is, look, do I know Maasai? Do I know Maasad definitely did it? Of course not. I don't have secret intelligence from Mossad or CIA, right? And maybe it's the CIA, right? And that's also perfectly plausible.

Absolutely, right? But if you say to me, how dare you suggest it might be Mossad? Well, Mossad would never do anything like that. I mean, you'd have to be like painfully stupid or the biggest liar in the world to say the Mossad or the CIA is so moral that they would never do something like this. So now I'm gonna go to Glenn Greenwald. So again, remember guys, this is never about, you know, religion, Jews, not Jews, right? Because Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin are, they're, what's interesting about them is not that they're Jewish.

It's that they're massive Israeli supporters. And they often say that they talk to government officials in Israel, which to me sounds like they're getting marching orders from them, right? Whereas there's a lot of Jewish people in media that are totally in the middle, they're as surprised as we are, what the hell is going on. And then there's been the great advocates like Dave Smith, Glenn Greenwald, etc. So Glenn wrote in the other day, he's like, okay, so you're saying the Masan angle is crazy. Hold on, number one, one of Epstein's closest friends was former Israeli PM, Ahud Barak. Yes, yep. And Barack visited him 30 times, okay.

A key source for Epps, number two, a key source for Epstein's vast wealth, though mysterious was from Les Wexner, whose primary life cause is Israel, okay? Huge donor to APEC. Galane Maxwell's father to billionaire Robert Maxwell was a Massad agent, whom mysteriously died after that was reported. Though Maxwell was British Israel, gave him a state funeral when he died. Also true, Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister at the time, or earlier prime minister attended.

Epstein got the red carpet treatment when visiting Israel. And number five, Epstein bankrolled major investments in Israeli tech. And there's more and more, right? But I don't read that to tell you guys, I'm sure it was Massad. I really don't know, right? I read that to you to say, like, is that one of the possibilities? Well, of course it is, right? And if you say no, the CIA is a possibility, Clinton and Trump are a possibility,

MI6 is a possibility, but Mossad, why they would never, then you're being absolutely ridiculous. We're not quite done with the Epstein files yet because there's been some movement in Congress. Just movement hasn't been going in the direction that you would want. I introduced today an amendment demanding the full release of the Epstein files. This is a question of whose side are you on? Are you on the side of protecting the rich and the powerful who've put their thumb on the scales of government to suck out millions of dollars while working class Americans suffer or on you on the side of the people. The attorney general said on her desk was the Epstein file.

And now she's saying, no, no, no, nothing to see. Don't release it. Well, House Republicans took that question from Democratic Congressman Rokana and said, But yeah, yeah, we'll represent the rich and the powerful over the American people because they essentially blocked an amendment that Rokana attempted to pass in the House Rules Committee that would essentially force the release of the Epstein file. So again, Kana's amendment would have forced Congress to vote on whether or not the Department of Justice should release said files. And today, the entire House actually voted on that amendment.

And we'll tell you about how that went down shortly, because that's a really important update to this story. But first, let's start with what happened in the Rules Committee, shall we? So all four Democrats on the committee voted yes. They wanted, and one Republican, I should note, voted yes on Kana's amendment. Seven other Republicans though voted against the amendment, thus killing it, blocking it. Now after the amendment failed, Kana wrote the following. voted five to seven to block the full house from voting on my amendment to have a full release

of the Epstein files. People are fed up. We are fed up. Thanks, Ralph Norum, Norman. That's the Republican who actually voted in favor of the bill, or the amendment, I should say, need to put the American people before party. Now, seven Republicans who voted against the amendment were Virginia Fox, a Republican from North Carolina. You also have Michelle Fishbach, a Republican from Minnesota, Aaron Hocchin from Indiana, Nicholas Langworthy from New York, Austin Scott from Georgia, Morgan Griffith from Virginia, and Brian Jack from Georgia. We're going to revisit these individuals in just a moment. But before we do, I want to stop for comment, Jank. Told you. What did I tell you this time? Rocana, best guy in Congress. So look, I didn't like start

saying how good he was because out of nowhere, because I randomly like the guy. He's not my uncle, right? As I used to say about Bernie. I started backing him because he's awesome. He's actually, he put him to a vote. That's what I want. That's what we all want. Put him to a vote. Put him no vote. By the way, if the Democrats ever gave him to the House back, they better put the Democrats to a vote too, okay? I want to see a vote on minimum wage. I want to see a vote on paid family leave. I want to see all these votes. Okay, and I want to see a vote on Epstein again if the Democrats are back in charge. Because conveniently, whenever any party's in charge, they're like, Epstein, what name so?

When they're in the minority, they're like, what about Epstein? Exactly. No, I'm so happy that you brought that up, Jank, because, I mean, if Democrats were so gung-ho about the federal government releasing the Epstein files, why didn't they vote on this during the Biden administration? Yeah, so that's what I like about Roe, because he actually puts his money where his mouth is, votes where his mouth is. So he's like, okay, you guys wanna cut the debt? No problem, I gotta build to cut the debt by 12 trillion dollars.

And it doesn't give anything to the rich, right? It actually gives to the average American. And it doesn't take away Medicaid or snap and you look at it. You're like, damn, that's good, right? He said, oh, you wanna lower drug prices? Why don't we take Trump's executive order, turn it into a bill? That way the courts can't knock it down and we have lower drug prices. So when he does it on this one, it grabs a lot more attention because I've seen, et cetera.

But that's beautiful, you put them to a test. So now what happened with the Republicans? They failed the test. So they're full of crap and now all those congressmen you just saw there are on the record as protecting the child rapists who were clients of Epstein. Yep, that period, period. There is no ans ifs or butts and like I said, if the Democrats are back in charge, I want them on the record, right?

So now it's an easier vote for Democrats to say, oh yeah, sure, let's see the Epstein files. But I'll give credit to Ralph Norman, the Republican, who did it. But one other thing you should know about that. The reason they had to kill it in committee is if it gets out of committee, then they all have to vote on it. And if the entire house has to vote on it, then it's going to get super awkward as all the Republicans who talked a big game through all those years are going to go, no way, no, no, no, hide the files, right? A lot of them are starting to make preemptive excuses now. Sure, sure, sure.

So before we get to the full House, because this did make its way to the House, and the House did vote on whether or not the federal government should be forced to release the Epstein files. But nonetheless, in the Rules Committee, you have all these Republicans who voted no, seven Republicans who voted no, to block Kana's amendment. And so you could argue that they're providing cover for child predators, okay? And I am making that argument. But on top of that, it's interesting who they're heavily funded by, where they get the bulk of their campaign contributions from. Let's take a look at A-PAC tracker, shall we? Where you'll see the list of said Republicans who voted to block the release of the Epstein

files. Fox and Jack have taken close to $200,000 from the pro-Israel lobby. Langworthy has taken almost $100,000 from the pro-Israel lobby. Then you have Scott, Griffith, Fishbach, and Hotion have each taken between $15,000 and $45,000 from the pro-Israel lobby. So, you know, money talks, as we know. Oftentimes we talk about members of Congress being bought, whether it's by pharmaceutical companies, oil industry, or in this case, the Israel lobby, you can take a look at the money, you could follow the money, and you can see how they behave when they're in Congress, how they vote. Now, Kana's amendment, by the way, was brought before the entire House of Representatives today. Before we get to that real quick, so if you're wondering, why did they pay Virginia Fox more than the others, $194,000?

Because committee heads get more money because they can block a lot of votes. What I love about what Rokana did was they were trying to bottle it up in committee, but they couldn't do it. First he forced them to vote in committee, then the House overall. So, and the higher you get up, the bigger the bribes get. So by the time you get to the leaders in the House and the Senate on the Democratic and Republican side, then you're talking millions of dollars from APEC. So that's how this game is played. So you might be wondering, well, if this amendment got blocked in the Rules Committee, how did it make its way to the full House?

Well, Democrats actually pushed to oppose a procedural vote. And if their push was successful, it would trigger a debate and a vote on connoisse. Amendment. It would also have sideline the Republican's legislative agenda for the day. Now, the vote is almost always a routine party line vote with members of the majority party voting in favor and those in the minority party voting in opposition. It represents a last chance effort for members in the minority to try and force consideration of certain legislation. Now, you have a lot of Republican politicians pretending like they care deeply about children, pretending like they care deeply about issues like pedophilia, child sex abuse,

things like that. But in the end, Republicans united and supported the procedural vote, bringing the final tally to 211 to 2.10 along party lines, clearing the majority threshold that Democrats were hoping to avoid. And so Representative Ralph Norman, who supported Conn's amendment in the Rules Committee, by the way, voted with the rest of his party on a procedural vote. Norman said he believes Attorney General Pam Bondi has an independent party that's looking at it, which he called the right course, interesting. Representative Michael Cloud, a Republican from Texas, offered a simpler

explanation. Republicans generally vote against such democratic procedural motions, and this time shouldn't be an exception. They just get the added benefit of protecting. their daddy Donald Trump and the Trump administration overall in this big Epstein cover up. And Representative Tim Burchett told Axios, it's just politics, it's not about protecting little children, and that ticks me off. No, what takes me off, Burchett, is you have an opportunity here to not go along with your partisan hackery and do the right thing in pressuring the Trump administration to release these documents. There's no rule, okay? God didn't speak to you from the heavens above and tell you you have no choice, but to engage in partisan hackery to prevent

the release of Epstein files. You made that decision. Okay, but so in effect, this is providing cover for child sex predators. Congratulations. These people are total clowns, absolute clowns. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump was asked about the Epstein files again today, and here's his response. These files were made up by Comey. They were made up by Obama. They were made up by the Biden and from, you know, and we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, hoax, with all of the different things that we had to go through. We've gone through years of it. But she's handled it very well, and it's going to be up to her.

Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. For me at this point, the real question is this. Is Trump engaging in this cover up because he's in the Epstein files? Or is he engaging in these cover-ups because he's worried about assassination? And I'm being serious. Those are the two options in my mind at this point. That was a ridiculous statement. What was that?

No, no, he doesn't have to be worried about assassination. If the CIA, but that one's less likely in the case of Trump. But if, or Mossad, the Israeli government said. We've never had CIA assassinate president. No, no, I hear you. I hear you. He could be concerned about that. But if Mossad, like Israel tells an American president,

not to do something, there's a 99% chance they're not going to do it. It's not like Biden released the Epstein tapes. What was his excuse? What's the thing that prevents American presidents from doing what American voters want in foreign policy? It's corporate donors for everything else, right? But it's usually Israel, right? So it's not like they can't stop an American president, they often do. So I'm not saying that that's definitely an answer, but I'm just saying that that is one of the other options, right? I'm gonna come to Trump in a second because that was, that was amazing what he said. But on the, on the House vote, I just want you to be clear.

So for all the Republicans making BS excuses of, well, you know, it's a procedural vote. And we didn't want to change any procedures and stuff. Okay, well then Representative Mark Weesey from Texas is offering up a standalone resolution. And he's like, let's just vote on this. Right. Okay, no problem, no procedural, nothing, right? You know how many Republican co-sponsors he has? Zero.

They're full of crap. They're all hiding it. Okay, and all the big, and wait, are the Republicans more at fault here than the Democrats? Yes. Number one, they're in charge right now. Okay? Okay, number two, so don't give me any excuses. Number two, Biden didn't go around going, Epstein files, Epstein files.

Republicans went around, Opsie files, Fries, FFSIs, FFSILs, right? Now they get in office, they're like, what name so? 100%. Okay, by the way, just going back to the procedural vote for a second, right? So the argument that they would make is, well, you know, we don't want to give Democrats, we don't want to give the minority any type of upper hand as it pertains to passing legislation. What legislation? You guys already passed the only legislation you care about, which is tax cuts for

the rich, mostly, okay, continuation of some of the tax cuts that Trump implemented in 2017 that do benefit working class people. Some tax cuts for working class people that will expire in four years because of course they will. What else do you have on your agenda, Republican Party? Nothing, nothing, nothing. You already got your goodies. You already did right by your donors. You're not gonna do crap for the American people. Let's just keep it real. Anna, they couldn't take a quarter of a day to discuss the Epstein files and release them. They're way too busy doing absolutely nothing. So busy. Okay, so what did you guys pass today? What did the Republicans pass today? Come on guys, you're a joke, okay? So

now to Trump. So he's not so he's not true social. We covered that. Now you saw him on tape. He's saying that the files are fake. That Obama and Biden and James Comey created a fake Epstein file, and that's what they've been talking about this whole time. Totally. That's exactly what happened. But wait, wait, wait, if it was fake, why did you talk about it like it was real? Because you were already president. So if you were already president and Obama created it, then you would know that it was fake. So why did you pretend they were real?

But then later, your administration, like less than a week ago, said that they don't exist. So which one is it? Are they fake or do they not exist? What is this? This is like the worst lies in American history. Sloppiest cover up. Yeah, and he's so sloppy that again, even Magick and half their hosts are like awkward. Because there's no way to defend this. There's no way. Okay, so if, okay, then he says Obama, so he knew in his first term apparently.

But okay, let's say that it's Biden. So if it's Biden and he created a fake. Fepstein file took out the Democrats, for example, and just kept Trump and the others in it because it's fake, why didn't he use it? Like, I know if it's the real file why Biden might not use it, CIA tells them not to, or Clinton's in it, et cetera, right? But if the dossier is fake and it was meant to incriminate Trump and Biden did it, why didn't they use it before the election against Trump? None of it makes any sense. And by the way, I never thought, like I thought Trump paled around with Epstein. I have no idea what he did.

Am I positive he's on the list? No, not at all. I think the intelligence agency is the more likely answer. But the way Trump is acting makes me think that he's on the list. Totally. Because he's like, no, no, no, no. No, if you see any names on there, they're all fake. It was Comey, it was Russia, Russia hoax.

Dude, you're in a cold sweat panic over this. when you're not even releasing the files. Can we just, and let me just say this, and then we got to go. If it is true that Jeffrey Epstein was part of a Mossad or any foreign government, you know, blackmail operation in an effort to have blackmail material on individuals in the highest echelons of power in the American government to ensure that our politicians do everything and anything the Israeli government wants, we should be furious about that. That means we're not free. That means we don't live in a free society. We don't live in a

country where our vote matters at all. Because no matter who you end up electing, right? The government is full to the brim of disgusting pedophiles that Israel and Mossad has blackmail on. Whoever did this? How does that not infuriate people? That's why people want to see the goods. We need to know what's going on because if there's any confirmation that that happened. First of all, think about how disgusting that is, okay? To, you know, in some cases based on the allegations, kidnap, okay?

Minors, young girls, and use them as bait to get blackmail on American politicians so Israel can get way with what's happening in the region right now, in the Middle East. Yeah. Look, the more this develops, the more I'm starting to believe that theory. Because the people who love to defend Israel, they're panicking the most about the Epstein files getting released. Okay, they're the first, they're the most eager to just believe the lies coming out of the Trump administration about, you know, the Epstein files not existing and all the other BS we've gotten from them so far. There's something really weird going on here. And if you're an American who takes pride in living in a democracy and a free society,

you should be concerned if this is what's going on. Because that means you have a foreign country dictating our foreign policy. Yeah. So look, guys, I got an interesting theory on that in a second. But I've got it. So number one, to Anna's point, I mean, it doesn't get any worse than this. They're using, whoever did this is purposely knew they were going to have rich and powerful men rape underaged American girls so that that agency can have more power. Could be the CIA, for example. If the CIA did that, they have betrayed the American people at a level that is unforgivable,

okay, to say, oh, we're pretending to serve America, but what we're going to do is we're going to use American girls as a rape fodder. So if the CIA did that, we should all be furious at that agency. If another government did that, funding them, are you kidding me? Like we should consider going to war against the country like that. I mean, okay, so we're not going to do that. I know us, we're not, and we should, like, forget, I don't want war. My point is not that we do go to war, my point is that country, if it's a different country,

has betrayed us beyond measure, okay? And so, all right, now, number two, Republicans, you're telling me that the rape of, those girls, you couldn't, we can't find out anyone who did it because of procedure. Because you were going to lose a half a day or a quarter of a day on a procedural vote. So we can't find out who did it. Okay, they have not prosecuted a single person outside of Epstein and Maxwell. Yep. Not one, but we know Prince Andrew did it. We know so many other people. There's hundreds of victims. So now people are saying there's thousands of victims. Over a thousand girls. Man, is Epstein that prolific? No, there's other people.

We know there's other people. So as the government keeps telling us, yeah, there's other people. Yeah, they rape those girls. So what? We're going to cover up for them. And then they go, why are you guys so mad? All right. And lastly, look at what thing about what Trump just did. When Gillane Maxwell is going to go back up to appeal her case, when she goes to appeal her case, her lawyers are going to say, your honor, the president of the United States that has all of the evidence at his disposal said the entire case is fake. You gotta let me go. And if any future government goes to prosecute the guys who actually did it, they're all

going to say, what do you mean? The president said all the evidence is fake. The president said all the evidence is fake. Now they're all gonna get out of jail free card. And now my wild theory. What changed was Trump? Because Trump never acted panicked about the list before. So he's acting panic now.

Who recently visited Trump? Oh right, Netanyahu just came to town. And Trump's message about the Epstein files changed dramatically after Netanyahu came to town. I mean, the message changed dramatically the day before he was said to meet with Netanyahu. So like now we're getting into wild theories, but they're forcing us. How are they wild? Because they won't, they won't tell us what the truth. No, no, this portion, because look, what did Netanyahu tell him?

Because it's not like he can just order Trump because remember Trump said no to further bombing of Iran when Israel. And the Houthis. And the Houthis, right? So he defied Netanyahu a bunch of times and we gave him credit for that. That's why I don't think his name is in the files, to be honest. That's why I thought his name wasn't on the files. So but then Netanyahu comes to visit and all of a sudden Trump's in a panic over the his name being in the files. What if Trump didn't realize that they had tape on him?

I don't know, I don't know. And then Netanyahu comes and goes, hey, you want to see a piece of tape I just brought with me? A country where it's people do not trust the government, its institutions is a disaster. Okay, and it's hard to trust, especially the federal government at this very moment, given what appears to be a cover up, okay, period. Not it appears to be. It's definitely a cover up. The only question is who's covering it up for what reason?

For what reason. Exactly. Now, final thing that I'll note, this just developed. So apparently, Thomas Massey, who's a libertarian, but obviously oftentimes votes with Republicans, just posted this on X saying that he, I'm sorry, Rokana posted this on X, saying that he and Thomas Massey are introducing the Epstein Files Transparency Act, a bipartisan bill to require the Attorney General to release the files within 30 days. So Massey is working on the rule. I mean, we'll see where that lands. But now we have two different votes in which Republicans have blocked an effort to release the Epstein files. And what do we tell you all along? The two honest guys in Congress, Rokana and Tom Massey, one a Democrat, the other a Republican. And by implication, by the way, you almost can't trust

anyone else in Congress. Like, they're all sitting on their ass while Rokana and Tom Massey introduced like half the bills that we talk about. And 100% of the bills that the America, can people agree with. Right. The ones that give away everything to the donor class, everybody else in Congress handles.