The Young Turks - Ruff Housing - July 8, 2025

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, well, the young Turks, Jane Cougar, Jordan Yule with you guys. Jordan's on Rebel headquarters. He's got the insurgis podcast. We have a bit of an insurgency right here. So we've got a couple of insurgencies, in fact.

Last night, we revealed our new Rebellion Pack candidate, J.D. Shulton, running in And for the Senate seat in Iowa, a good chance of picking that up. And if he does, it'll make a massive difference and as good a populace as you'll ever find. So check out Shulton for Iowa.com. Okay, tonight we've got, we've got the podcasters breaking with Trump. That's generally a good thing. And then we have MAGA breaking with Trump on two different things. One is great.

The other, not so good. We don't agree with that one, right? So lots of interesting dynamics and politics that people did not expect. But here we are with disagreements everywhere, okay, which I find to be a very positive development. All right, Jordan, which one we're starting with? Take a look at this. The president has already realized great opportunities. He forged the Abraham Accords, he's forging peace as we speak in one country and one region.

after the other. So I want to present to you, Mr. President, the letter I sent to the Nobel Prize Committee. It's nominating you for the Peace Prize, which is well deserved. You should get it. Thank you very much. This I didn't know. Well, thank you very much. Coming from you in particular, this is very meaningful. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited the White House yesterday and used the best possible tactic when trying to get something from Donald Trump, flattery and praise. He presented Trump with a letter nominating him for a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in brokering the ceasefire between Israel and Iran. Maybe BB remembered that back in February at their previous meeting and many, many times since then, Trump told reporters that he deserves, the prize. Take a look.

Mr. President, you managed to get this deal done. Some say a lot of people say that the men who managed to do that to get a Nobel prize. Do you think that you'll be able to get all the hostages back home? And what would happen if you hear from Israel? They will never give me a no bill who starts. What would happen is? I deserve it, but they will never give it to it.

I should have gotten it four or five times. I should get it for the, I would think, Abraham, of course, would be a good one too. be a good one too. But what do you? They won't give me a Nobel Peace Prize because they only give it to liberals. Mr. Prime Minister, I was wondering whether you think that all Trump for Ukraine, otherwise, deserves to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. I cannot come to know. But thank you very much for that question. I like that question. Ironically, as these men patted themselves on the back and claimed worthiness of a Nobel Peace Prize,

they also promoted displacement of millions of Palestinians. But before we get to that, Jank, what do you make of this nomination? Do you think Donald Trump has a chance? Yeah, I think he does have a chance. And in fact, I'm going to tell you guys a scenario where he would get the Nobel Peace Prize. That's coming up in a little bit. But for first, does he deserve it now?

Oh, no, I know. Look, in order to get a Nobel Peace Prize, you have to get the peace. Right now, Israel and the Palestinians are not at all at peace. Israel's still in the middle of their genocide, and we're still in the middle of paying for it, and Donald Trump is still in the middle of kissing that in Yahoo's ass and sending him bigger checks. He says, oh, I got a ceasefire between Iran and Israel. Well, we could have gotten that be, if you hadn't bombed them in the first place. So, I mean, the ceasefire between us and Iran existed before Donald Trump started, you know, dropping bunker busters on them.

So you can't start a war and then stop it and go down, give me the peace prize. That's not how it works. Now there is a scenario in which he gets it, but before I tell you that scenario, and we tell you the new horrors that the Israeli government is planning in Gaza, because as Netanyahu was here, Jordan's going to explain in a second. Their defense minister was explaining the camps they're setting up for the Palestinians. It's, you know, as usual, one of the more disgusting things you'll hear. But speaking of disgusting, we're forcing you to do the vote for one of these two characters in our live chat.

We've watched the show, obviously, live 6 to 8 o'clock today. Who deserves the Nobel Prize less, Trump or Netanyahu? I mean, in a sense, we're asking you to vote positively for Trump because it can't be Netanyahu. Okay, but okay, that's a super tough choice sort of it make you go through that, okay? But yeah, neither one of them deserve it at all, not even close. Netanyahu's exact opposite. He deserves the Hague and Trump, TBD. But first, let's tell you about the horrors that Israel has coming out for the Palestinians next.

Yeah, let's talk about what else they discussed. Back in February, Trump proposed plans for the United States to take ownership of Gaza and to develop it into the Riviera of the Middle East. but he later shied away from that horrific idea. During yesterday's meeting, a reporter in the room asked Trump if his relocation plan for Palestinians was still on the table. Trump redirected the question to Beebe, and here was his response. I think President Trump had a brilliant vision. It's called free choice.

You know, if people want to stay, they can stay. But if they want to leave, they should be able to leave. It shouldn't be a prison, should be an open place, and give people a free choice. We're working with the United States very closely about finding countries that will seek to realize what they always say. They want to give the Palestinians a better future. And I think we're getting close to finding several countries. And I think this will give, again, the freedom to choose Palestinians should have. it. And I hope that we can secure it close by.

And we've had great cooperation from surrounding, meaning surrounding Israel, surrounding countries, great cooperation from every single one of them. So something good will happen. Neither leader provided any details beyond that. Trump claimed other nations were cooperating, but Jordan and Egypt have previously shot down and outright condemned the proposal as forced displacement, which is illegal under international law. In February, UN spokesman Stephanie Diorik said that any forced displacement of people is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. And Palestinian leaders were quick to dispute Netanyahu's claim that he wants Gazans to have free choice over whether or not to leave. Mustafa Barguti, a senior Palestinian politician, says,

when they say it would be voluntary, that is so misleading. Because when you bomb people every day, when you starve people for 126 days, who can call that a voluntary decision? Now, aside from Netanyahu, other Israeli officials have different but equally barbaric ideas for what to do with Palestinians. Defense Minister Israel Katz says he's instructed the IDF to develop a plan to establish a new, quote, humanitarian city in the demolished Gaza city of Rafa, the Palestinians won't be allowed to leave. The idea of the zone, according to Katz, is to accommodate,

initially some 600,000 Palestinians who have been living in the Mwasi area on the coast since they were displaced from elsewhere in the strip after screening them to ensure Hamas operatives are not among them. According to Katz's vision, the entire civilian population of Gaza, more than 2 million people, would eventually be congregated in the zone while the IDF secures it from a distance as international bodies work to manage the area. Don't worry, though, because a whopping four additional aid distribution sites would be established in the area. Katz also emphasized his ambition to encourage Palestinians to, quote, voluntarily emigrate from the Gaza Strip to other countries, saying this plan, quote, should be fulfilled.

Jenk, are you encouraged at all by this plan? No, it's a monstrous, horrific genocidal plan. So Nanyahu, you heard him say, oh, you know, Gaza's not a prison. It's an open place, they should have free choice. And then as he's saying that on the same day, his defense minister is saying, no, we're going to take all of the Palestinians, 2.2 million of them, stuffed them into a tiny area. I'm going to give you a sense of how tiny it is in a second. And they're never allowed to leave.

I mean, they'll be allowed to leave if they're going to get expelled. to a different country, IDF already occupies 70% of Gaza, they plan to occupy more of it, and that's going to be Israel's. And so look, I'm gonna get into the pattern of how they do this in a second. But to give you a sense of the context of how small Gaza is, Gaza is the size of Vegas. It is one third of the size of Hiroshima. By the way, Israel has dropped enough bombs on that tiny little area already.

It's the equivalent of eight atomic bombs. in a place that is the size of a third of Hiroshima. I mean, they have already obliterated it. What part of this is free to go, open, not a prison? So is this forced displacement, as the Palestinians say? Well, of course it is. None of this is voluntary. No, there is, and by the way, this happens in almost every genocide.

The empire will pick, you know, the rebel. that are rebelling against them, called them terrorists, and say they're, oh, they're hiding in the civilian population. That's why we had to murder the civilians. What the Nazis said about the French resistance, the French resistance was hiding in the population. You know why? Because they had no military barracks. They had lost. They were in hiding from the Nazis who were trying to hunt them down. And the Germans said, well, they were in the civilian population, so we can kill as many as we like. And so, and by the way, the Turks did the same thing with the Armenians.

Oh, they're hitting us from behind their civilians. And they're hitting us right next to the Russian border. We have to move them, we have to displace them. And they're free to leave. They should leave the Ottoman Empire. They should leave entirely, okay? And if they don't leave, we're gonna make them leave, and we're gonna kill them along the way. It's exactly what Israel's doing.

Exactly, exactly what Israel's doing. There's nothing voluntary about it at all. They didn't voluntarily get slaughtered. They didn't hide behind human shields. No, Israel chose to kill their civilians. Over 30,000 dead women and children, at a bare minimum. 56,000 dead overall, on a bare minimum, let alone the people buried in the rubble that they haven't actually put names to yet. But there are tens of thousands under the rubble as well.

So look, so now that's Gaza, that tiny area that I described. Defense Minister Katz is talking about a microscopic. area within Gaza. How is you going to stuff two million people into that area? I mean, at a minimum, that's a prison, the exact opposite of what Nanyahu said. And Nanyahu is a legendary liar. I don't know that I've ever met anyone in public life, seen anyone in public life that is a bigger liar than Benjamin Nett, Yahoo. Almost every time he speaks, he doesn't just lie a little. He says the exact opposite of what's true. And so, but you'd be lucky if we call it a principle.

because what it really looks like is a concentration camp. And that's very literal. It'll be a camp where they concentrate 2 million Palestinians into a tiny little area. And the IDF will be controlling it from a distance. Meaning if you try to leave, they'll murder you. It's a concentration camp they're setting up in Gaza. So if that hurts your feelings, you're nuts. You're nuts, you're nuts, you're nuts.

What happened to the Jews in the Holocaust was awful disaster. awful, disastrous, horrific. You shouldn't then go, because of that, we get to set up a camp and you're not allowed to call it anything. I'm gonna use my religion as a weapon against you. You're not allowed to criticize my beloved Israel at all. No, no, no, no, don't you see that you're setting up the same thing the Germans set up? What is wrong with you?

What is wrong with you? You think it's okay to murder 17,000 children because you think maybe one or 10 or 100 Hamas guys were hiding behind them. And that's why Israel had to murder them. And they said, oh, well, the Palestinians will walk onto a bus and do a bomb from however many years ago. You know, if you drop a bomb from a plane, it's the same thing. It's actually worse because it's a 2,000 pound bomb. And it kills every civilian underneath it, including all the kids. So the Israeli defense for why they're not terrorist is, yes, we kill way more civilians than Hamas does. We killed 500 times the number of children that Hamas did.

But since we drop our bombs from planes, we are not terrorists. We are a very sophisticated Western country, okay? And we're protecting civilization from the monster, terrible Palestinians who have all that land that I want. That's why I'm going to stuff them in your camp. No, Israel's position, 1,000% indefensible. If you're still trying to defend it, you're looking like a monster. Okay, you could choose to look like a monster, that's up to you, but I'm against all genocides. I'm against all Holocaust, I'm against killing all civilians, Israeli, Palestinian, or otherwise.

If you don't think Palestinian lives matter, you're a terrible, terrible, terrible person. So I just want to be super clear about that. So look, all of this has nothing to do with peace. One last thing for now, Jordan. The important part, one of the most important parts here is Israel's never going to be satisfied. So there is no ceasefire, you know what they're offering Hamas right now? They're saying, okay, give us all the hostages back, and in return we'll give you a 60-day ceasefire.

And Hamas is saying, but that's useless after 60 days, you're just going to go back to murdering us all. And Net Yahoo is saying, yeah, and we're going to set up a concentration camp and stuff you in there, and we're going to try to ship you out, and we're going to take all of Gaza. So I mean, I hope Hamas is weak enough to say yes to that ceasefire, but they would have to to be impotent, total weaklings to say, yes, we get nothing in return, nothing, okay? Yeah, Israel can occupy Gaza forever. We get 60 days of a ceasefire, which we all know Israel will break on the third day.

It's all nonsense. So we give them the hostages back and they get to keep Gaza, where the hell's the deal? Well, how's that a peace deal? And so all of this is backed up by the monstrous American politicians, Trump and Biden. Yes, Trump is worse so far and American media who are like, oh yeah, and then Yahoo says, he's giving freedom to the Palestinians and the Palestinians can go wherever they like. Oh, how benevolent of the beautiful Israel and their most moral army. I mean, the propaganda sickening and isn't it embarrassing?

If you work in mainstream media, aren't you, how do you look at yourself in the mirror? How are you not incredibly embarrassed at the nonsense propaganda you do for a genocidal government? And then anyone who criticizes, criticize them, you're like, you're a bad person. Defending a genocide is what a good moral person would do. Trying to stop a genocide. Anti-Semite, anti-Semite. You're all immoral for trying to stop a genocide. No, we're not.

The American media and American politicians, and especially Donald Trump at this moment, are deeply, deeply, deeply immoral. Yes, I have a way out, but no, they'll never do it. Yeah, I think the point in that plan that's key is ID, the IDF will secure it from a distance. How is that dissimilar from what Gaza was like pre-October 7? other than it's it's significantly smaller and you have a higher concentration of people living in an even smaller area what we have seen since and of course they're talking about oh we're going to we're going to filter through the crowd we're going to go through everybody and inspect everybody to make sure there's no Hamas operatives that get in there we have seen time and time again the IDF is not responsible it is not diligent it is not ethical in how they respond to or analyze the potential involvement of somebody living in Gaza as it relates to potential Hamas involvement. And they have, we have heard accounts from people

living in, uh, in Gaza, from Palestinians, even from IDF soldiers. They have used this kind of hollow, flimsy justification. Oh, well, yeah, they could be Hamas operatives. They could be a Hamas fighter. And they have killed civilian after civilian after civilian deep down knowing that these people had nothing to do with Hamas. So I don't have a lot of faith in the IDF's ability to responsibly go through this crowd of 600,000 people and say, yeah, you're fine, go. Because as we saw with the U.S. is war in the Middle East, any military age male. And in this case, and in our case in the Middle East, but also in the IDF's case here, oftentimes younger men are unjustly and unfairly grouped in with Hamas. So I think we will see potentially a massacre if this plan is implemented

and people start getting ushered into this very small part of Gaza. This isn't a path to future. And as you laid out, Jank, it doesn't answer lingering questions, urgent questions about what happens to that land overall, because this seems like a setup where to the international community and to its partners and allies, they can say, oh, look, we're hands up. We're just protecting them from a distance. We're just enforcing it from a distance. But all of the land that they will very likely seize if this plan is implemented will just now suddenly be Israel's, which is what they want, like you're saying. They want that beachfront property. They want to develop it. People like Trump and his allies certainly want to get their hands on it so they can build coastal real estate, apartment complexes, condos, whatever. And that is, it's an even further annexation of land that isn't theirs. So I would hope that this plan isn't implemented. You know, the reporting in the Times of Israel said that this isn't Netanyahu's plan. Of course, This is his defense minister, but he's beholden to those people to even remain in power.

So they have leverage over Netanyahu so he can try to distance himself from this plan specifically. But he doesn't really have a lot of room to push back because he needs them to stay in power. Yeah, no, I go way further than you. I mean, this is definitely Netanyahu's plan. They're just totally lying. They're saying, oh, look at my defense minister. He wants to set up a concentration camp, whereas I am for openness. No, they have the same exact plan.

Murder enough Palestinians that they run, and when they do, you grab their land. And let's be honest. Can we be honest for a second? Because American media won't let you be honest. This is what Israel has been doing since 1948. In 1948, they came in, and you do you think, like, there's this mythology in America that everybody went for a picnic and the Palestinians decided not to return. No, they murdered Palestinians in their homes.

And they drove them from their homes, and that's why it's called the knock. But you think they voluntarily left their homes of hundreds of years or thousands of years? No, 750,000 Palestinians were driven through a terror campaign that Israel started in 1948 to take that land. And now what are they doing in Gaza? A terror campaign where they kill Palestinians. So Palestinians are driven from the land and then they'll take Gaza. And it's not my speculation. That is what their government is saying that they're going to do.

We're going to keep murdering Palestinians. We're going to put them in a tiny little concentration camp. and we're gonna push him out to other Arab countries and we're gonna take Gaza. They already have 70% of Gaza. It's not, it was all in the beginning, it was like American media was like, oh, that's anti-Semitic conspiracy theory to say that Israel, the beloved Israel would take Gaza. Now they're saying, yeah, they literally voted saying we conquered Gaza and we're just going to take it. That's what they did in 1948, that's what they're doing now.

That's what they did in 1967. You know, with this whole idea of preemptive war, where does it come from? Israel preemptively attacking all of its Arab neighbors in 1967 and going, oh, I think they were going to attack me. Hey, look at that. I attacked them first and destroyed all of their militaries before they could even get up off the ground. And then I took more land from them, including the occupied territories and the Sinai. More land, more land, more land, more land. And every time Israel does the same exact thing that every greedy empire has ever done. Oh, I did it for self defense.

I had to do it for self defense. That's why I attacked them first and took their land and murdered their people and stuffed them into camps. I had to do it for self defense. No, it's for land. It's for land. It's super obvious. Okay, by the way, the Israeli citizens, they're a lost cause.

I mean, I don't want them to be a lost cause. I want them to turn around, but they've lost their moral cord. Let's be honest about it. You can't say it because it sounds bad, but it's not us that is saying, it's them that are saying it. They asked in a poll in Israel, of Israeli Jews, how many of you think that the Palestinians should be expelled from Gaza? 82% said yes, expelled them, ethnically cleanse them. When they made it more specific, forced expulsion, we are going to just shove them into another land and just take their goddamn land. We're just going to take it.

What do you guys think? 56% of Israeli Jews saying, yes, yes. Kill them and take their land, force expulsion. Okay, so look, nevertheless, I'm like, don't do any harm to the civilians of either side. But don't tell me that the Palestinians are somehow the aggressors. 47% of Israeli Jews in that same poll said, quote, when conquering an enemy city should act in him, this was a question. Should they act in a manner similar to the way that the Israeliites acted when they conquered Jericho under the leadership of Joshua, namely to kill all of its inhabitants?

And 47% of Israeli Jews said, yes, kill everyone in Gaza. That's not a genocide, that's a Holocaust. Nearly half of Israeli Jews voted to do a holocaust on Gaza. I don't want any discussion about the morality of Israel. That's not even close. That's not on the table. Only war crimes are on the table. I hope that God Israel turns around and I believe that any country can turn around. And I think that they're in a psychosis, just a blind rage and PTSD from all the pogroms in the Holocaust that they suffered.

But they have to snap out of it because these things are just monstrous. They're beyond monstrous, last thing. So how in the world, out of all of this, do I get to Trump getting a peace price? There's one way, but it's near impossible. So forget Russia and Ukraine, if you get some peace, amazing, Pakistan, India, wonderful. Okay, good, good, good. But those are, those are, no, look, what would be historic and worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize is if he got peace between Iran, Israel, and the Palestinians, and got a two-state solution.

Iran stops developing nukes, the Palestinians get a state, Israel gets a safe Jewish haven. Everybody wins. The 53 Arab countries already have a plan for it. They're happy, the world is happy, we're happy, then by all means Donald Trump earned a Nobel peace price. But that's a giant if with a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage chance of happening. Why? Because every time Netanyahu comes to town, he slaps Trump around and goes, we're not going to do peace. We don't offer him a total BS ceasefire.

We're going to lie to them. We're going to get the hostages back. And then we go back to bombing them and stuffing them into camps and pushing them out of the country. We're going to steal their land, Donald. Wake up. Help me steal their land. And Donald goes, oh, okay, okay, who did I get pride by today? Oh, okay.

Yeah, there are no Epstein files. Oh, yeah, totally, totally. And yeah, of course, Palestinians, I'm going to give them freedom from their lives by by paying for you murdering them and stuffing them into camps. So no, Trump's not going to do any of this. You think he's strong enough to stand up to Netanyahu? Well, I hope to God that he proves me wrong and that he is. But right now, he's taking the usual role of an American president,

which is the butler of the Israeli prime minister. So those are facts, you can catch all sorts of feelings about him. But if you don't catch as much feelings about 17,000 dead kids as people's words about your beloved Israel, there's something morally awful. with you so look in the mirror and and how about we all fight to save all civilian lives even if they're Palestinian or Muslim I know I know an outrageous thought that those lives would have value but yes I believe that and if you don't again go to a therapist and deal with yourself all right we got

to take a break when we come back like I said a lot of Trump voters turning on Trump, some in a good way and a lot in a bad way. So we'll explain. hitting that join button below. We appreciate it. Tuva Ostra, Don Whitehead and CD Norse Dog Dad, also gifted Young Turks memberships on YouTube. You guys are amazing. I love this community. All right, Jordan, what's next? It's insane. We were told there would be no, well, there's two things that are insane. One is the targeting of migrant workers, not cartel members, not gang members, not drug dealers, just construction workers, showing up in construction sites and raiding them, gardeners.

Yeah. Like really? You might hear that and think, oh, okay, good for Joe Rogan. But one progressive political engaged celebrity isn't buying it. While drawing praise from some, Joe Rogan's criticism of the Trump administration is triggering eye rolls from others. In response to an account sharing that video, Mark Ruffalo posted, Dear Joe Rogan, it's a little late now to pretend like Project 2025 didn't exist and wasn't the playbook all along.

You are either not that smart or not that dumb. It's hard to tell at this point. And while Project 2025 didn't explicitly call for rounding up day laborers and construction workers, it did call for expedited removals, which many warned would violate due process and called for the canceling of many different legal statuses to make lawful. residents eligible for deportation. From there, many argue that this was the inevitable result. Calling for an increased level of deportations would result in things like this. But Jenk, what do you make of Ruffalo's response here? Is this right? Is this the right tone? How should he respond to somebody like Rogan criticizing the Trump administration? Well, we're going to ask you guys,

but I'm going to taint a jury pool here by telling you my opinion in a second. Although it doesn't usually move the poll much. You guys have strong independent boys, which I love. So we're asking you two different polls. One's in the live chat on YouTube as we do the show live 6 to 8 p.m. as we do every day, Monday through Friday. Anyways, when Rogan turns against Trump's immigration policy, we should, A, commend him for turning around, B, criticize him for getting it wrong, C, neither. And then on our website, this is why I'm really interested in, t-y-t.com, when Joe Rogan turns on Trump on any given issue, it's A, okay, by the way, let's look at, oh, on the live chat, great, okay, good, good, good, over, what is that,

63% or so, 62, 63% saying commend him for turning around. Anyways, on the website, what should we do? A, great, that he's, that he's telling his audience Trump is wrong, B, useless, we already had the election. C, not going to affect anything, because he'll go back to supporting MAGA in the next selection. So curious what you guys think about that on t yt.com. Okay, so what do I think? I like Mark Ruffalo a lot. I think he's one of the best celebrities. He uses his name recognition for good 98% of the time. I mean, as far as I can tell, really 100% of the time. And he's one of the most progressive, one of the most down to earth, cares about the average American, average human being.

that's all the lead up to me saying, I totally disagree. So what are we yelling at the guy for? He's coming to our side. Well, how does that help? So, all right, Jordan, back to you. I'm kind of in alignment with you on this. And it feels weird because like you're saying, Ruffalo, I'm just in agreement with almost 100% of the time.

And this, I think, you know, probably not the best time to take a shot at Rogan. I think his audience is massive. We acknowledge that. It is largely influential. And his show is influential. And he's saying something that maybe they won't hear anywhere else. That said, I understand why people would criticize him in the first place. And for such a large and influential program, he very rarely does preliminary or prep research.

And that's where you see conspiracy theorists, misinformation peddlers, or outright bigots come on the show and start to sow seeds of bigotry, hate, xenophobia, whatever. As, you know, I'd say independent or even progressive watchdog organizations have pointed out over the years, that show has been a breeding ground for a lot of things that have negative societal impacts. and people are often free to say whatever they want unchecked. And for somebody in his role, I would argue there's a responsibility to at least read up on what you're going to talk about. So as he endorsed Trump in the run up to the 2024 election, I think when you have a show that big, you can't just chalk it up to like, oh, I'm just having conversations. I'm just listening. No, you're like the biggest show in all the planet. It doesn't really work that way.

Like you have a responsibility to think through what you're going to say, who you're going to endorse, the impact of that. But then I go back to that said, look, he's criticizing Trump. Very few people are doing that. Very few people are breaking with Trump on these types of things. And the ones that do are being met with criticism from within their own ranks. So it is interesting to see who's willing to speak out and who isn't. I'm, you know, slightly going to diverge from Mark Ruffalo just on this one issue. Yeah.

Yeah. And look, it's having an effect. Of course, business interests are having a larger effect. But Donald Trump in his speech the other day, we're going to cover it on a different story later in the show, talked about how, you know, we might have to make an exception for farm workers and hotel and leisure industry because a lot of people are complaining that we're just taking people from their jobs and stuff. So that's largely those industries that are greasy and up, et cetera. But there's a little bit of him sensing the independent podcasters and broadcasters like Rogan are being to leave the building, right? A lot of them are saying the same thing,

which is where the American people are, which is, hey, you want to round up on, criminals, no problem. You want to close the border, no problem. In fact, good, okay. But you start rounding up regular people who've been here 10, 15 years who are going to their job. It's cruel and we don't like it. We don't want it. So they're reconsidering it. Now, of course, that's led to a different Maga Rebellion against that idea to Trump. But look at this. You know, Charlie Kirk and the right wingers are saying, no, arrest them wherever they are, but Rogan and the independent podcasters are saying, no, don't do that. Don't do that. So we have a significant schism, not just from Trump, but from Trump in two different directions

and against one another. So A, that diversity of thought is great, be the fact that the Rogans are agree with us instead of the Charlie Kirkson and the Donald Trump's is fantastic. And so, Jordan, do I agree with you that, you know, I wish that Rogan had, you know, challenged Trump more, done more homework on? Of course, right. But let's also be fair and recognize that the Democrats didn't even try to win their votes, Kamala Harris wouldn't go on any of those shows. And the Democrats are like, no, we will go on mainstream media, we are their establishment, we have 90 corporate CEOs on our side, right? Well, what do we think they were gonna back?

Were they really gonna back a corporate politician? It's incumbent upon us to pick great populist candidates where the Rogans and Dillans of the world will go, okay, hell yeah, let's do that, right? And they don't have to be right wing. They could be populist left, but they can't be corporate stooges and robots and then go, I can't believe you supported the other guy. You should have supported our corporate robot instead. It's too much to ask for.

So when he comes to us, take the win, for God's sake, take the win. Yeah, I think there's one other thing that I just saw this week. So that Instagram or social media show that some people may be familiar with subway take. he apparently the host apparently said that they recorded an episode with Kamala Harris and it was so wonky and so confusing and uncomfortable that there was a mutual agreement between her team and his that they would just never air the episode and i think that's ultimately why she didn't do those types of shows she really wasn't good at that type of stuff she's she can deliver talking points she can stay on script but the strength of rogan show and that's where you saw trump and vans

and others shine, it's fluid. They're free flowing. That Trump episode is really interesting in that regard. Of course, not his content, but he talks about UFC and boxing for like the first 30 minutes. And it makes him seem relatable. It makes him seem like a normal guy. Kamala Harris could not do that. And of course, there are market differences between what she ran on. And well, of course, I don't agree with it 100%, but argue it was somewhat better than Trump's platform, but she couldn't be relatable in those moments. And I think that's really what it was. It wasn't if they didn't want to win those people over or try. It's that she wasn't able. And that gets into the strength of the candidate. And I would argue having better policies

will also help in that regard. So I'm with you on that front. Yeah. All right, guys, when we come back, massive, like enormous Maga rebellion. And this time not the Trump voters, not just the independence, not just the podcasters, no, the entire MAGA movement almost saying to Trump, are you kidding us? This is a betrayal beyond words. We'll tell you what that is when we return. Your memo and release yesterday with Jeffrey Epstein, it left some lingering mysteries. One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked for an American or foreign intelligence agency, the former labor secretary who was Miami U.S. Attorney Alex Costa, he allegedly said

that he did work for an intelligence agency. So could you resolve whether or not he did and also Can you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the next? Yeah, sure. If I can, could I just enter a little talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Today, a reporter tried to ask Attorney General Pam Bondi about Jeffrey Epstein. But as you saw, President Donald Trump was not having it. Here's more. This guy's been talked about for years.

You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things, and are people still talking about this guy, this creep, that is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time and do you feel like answer? I don't mind answering. I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration, but you go ahead. And we have a lot more to get to, including how MAGA is reacting to Trump's comments, But first, what do you think about those clips, Jank? Yeah, I think he's in a world of trouble.

This tactic he's tried a thousand times, which is like, oh, what a dumb question, fake news, blah, blah, blah, right? And normally Maga loves it. They eat it up, right? Zeke after a touchdown. So now, though, they're like, what did you just say? We're all supposed to ignore Epstein? Nah, okay?

So you're about to see all that for Maga in a second. But I'm just going to say here, just think about this throughout the story, okay? So now all the administrations, Biden, Trump, all of them, have acknowledged that Epstein victimized hundreds of girls, right, and victims. So now the Trump administration is saying, the fact of the other administrations were also saying it, but Trump has now explicitly said it his team, saying, no, we could not, even Even though hundreds of underage girls were raped, we couldn't find a single culprit. We're not going to prosecute one person who did any of those rapes.

And we're choosing not to. That's amazing. That's insane. How could you say there's, yeah, we have on tape, hundreds of child rapists. We're just choosing not to prosecute any of them. And that is what they're saying. And that's why people are livid. We're going to get to how exactly MAGA is responding. But first, let's start with how Pam Bondi addressed that reporter after Trump eventually let her speak. Now, most of her response has to do with one specific detail from the Epstein case. The surveillance footage from the night Epstein died is missing one minute from 1158 p.m. on August 9th, 2019 to 12 a.m. on August 10th, 2019. Here's Bondi explaining why that is.

In February, I did an interview on Fox and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said, I was asked a question about the client list and my response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file along with the JFK, MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that. Also, to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Child porn is what they were. Never going to be released, never going to see the lighted day. To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that. We can get back to you on that. It was a minute that was off the counter. And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night. They redo that video. It's old from like

1999. So every night the video is reset and every night should have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's it on Epstein. So how is the right wing reacting to all of this? Well, Megan Kelly reacted to the news live. Let's take a look at what she had to say. Good grief. That was no pointo, guys. She's nervous. And the truth is not her friend for whatever reason.

I don't know. I wish I did. But what that tells me is the truth is not her friend. Trump didn't even sound persuasive, Tom. You know, when Trump's genuinely annoyed that something comes up, you know. This was him like, I am indignant that you would bring up Jeffrey Epstein when there are more important subjects. Elon Musk, who recently accused Trump of being in the Epstein documents, has been posting up a storm since Trump's comments. Here is one of his many posts. How can people be expected to have

faith in Trump if he won't release the Epstein files? On the other hand, Alex Jones is proposing that Donald Trump is deliberately choosing not to release the Epstein files in order to save the stock market. Take a look. That's what Elon is saying is that no, Trump is in the files. That would have come out before when they were trying to stop him before. They're clearly coming after it. And I've never seen one piece of evidence to that. No, this all points towards bare minimum Trump believes, and it's probably true, that if it comes out a bunch of your head bankers and politicians and leaders and business leaders are in this, which we know they were, that will crash the stock market, that will just destroy America's image in the world.

And so it's so horrible that they made the decision not to bring it out. Laura Lumer, Trump acolyte, is ferociously attacking Pam Bondi while refusing to speak ill of Trump. Take a look at this exchange. Trump, and I hope he does fire her in response to, hey, Laura, who appointed Pam Bondi? And as a follow-up question, who is the ability to fire Pam Bondi? So they want Pam Bondi out. Meanwhile, Benny Johnson is insisting that this is all one big conspiracy designed to set up the Trump administration for failure. Take a look.

The entire operation seems so utterly bungled. You have to like assume that on the inside, they're being played. You have to assume that this is something. This is a live grenade that the pinsman pulled and handed in order to discredit Team Trump. Okay. Well, we'll end with this clip of Tucker Carlson that was recorded before Trump's outburst. Carlson said he does not believe that Trump is in the files. But he also warned the Trump administration about what Americans will do if the government keeps betraying their trust.

take a look there are really only two potential explanations that i can think of maybe you've got another the first is that trump is involved that you know trump is on the list that they've got tape of trump doing something awful um i don't believe that for two reasons one i've talked to trump about it a lot um and i know i know him he's not that you know for whatever he sins i don't think he's that guy actually i don't think he likes creepy sex stuff that's just my view but moreover but more i think convincing is that this is all information that the Biden administration had. And if there was evidence that Trump had been involved in illegal sexual activity, you think that people who made up Russiagate wouldn't have leaked it.

Come on now. When you allow something like this to happen, people are like, you know what, the system itself is beyond reform. There's no reasonable step I can take to improve this country or my own life. I have to do something crazy. Yes. Like you're creating true radicalism when you do stuff like this, because what's the option? Jack, there are a lot of theories here. Do any of them resonate with you? No. So I'm going to tell you what my theory is in a second and it's almost certainly the answer. But so first let's break down on the things that everyone said in those clips. So number one on Pam Bondi, that was three hilarious talking points.

She said, oh, no, no, no, all the tapes of them molesting and raping the girls. Just kidding. It's just child porn instead. Child porn is a. perfect excuse because I can't release child porn and it turns on, oh, tape, I didn't mean the girls are on tape. We all know they're on tape. You've already said that hundreds of times. Oh, no, I mean they are not on tape. It is child porn and that is why I cannot release it. All right, I mean, maybe you'll find seven morons in the country who will believe that excuse. I don't know if they thought that was clever. Then number two, every prison video is missing a minute? Is it? Okay, great. Show me more prison videos missing a minute. I mean, come on,

come on, come on, consulting our intelligence. This is okay. And then when, but the most interesting part was when they asked, hey, was he part of an intelligence agency? And she had the curious answer of, I have no knowledge of that. You're their attorney general. You've been looking at these Epstein files on your desk for months and months and months now, this, at least the second question you would ask after who's on the list is, hey, why was he protected throughout? Was, is somebody else working with him? You never asked that question? And that just occurred to you when the reporter asked it? Oh, an intelligence agency. Well, I have no knowledge of that. I'll have to look into it. Come on. It's almost a confession. I mean, what an absurd answer.

Of course you looked into it. You should have an answer, and you didn't prepare an answer, you lazy ass. Come on, man, you didn't think they were gonna, I guess they thought, no, this is mainstream media. We have them under control. They're not gonna ask if it was an intelligence agency. Well, they were wrong, I don't know who asked that question, but they were right. So go to Benny Johnson next, I love his theory, he's being set up from the inside. Well, Benny, then why is he so stupid that he fell right into that trap?

It was like, yeah, I know, yeah, he raped hundreds of girls, but we're not gonna prosecute anyone. Somebody told me that and I'm just repeating, oh, I fell into his trap. Oh, oh my God, after knowing Epstein for 15 years and I was already president for four years and you schmucks didn't realize I didn't release a list then. In fact, he died while I was president and I did nothing about it. And I said that the groomer was a very fine person twice. Anyway, so like yeah, they made him do it. Okay, Benny, good luck with that theory.

But but Alex Joseph's theory, of course, as always, is more insane. So his theory is that these pedophiles are too big to jail. That's why Trump is now wisely saying, you know what, that banker and that politician and that really rich person, they're just too big to jail. I mean, if we, I mean, if we prosecute them for child rape, well, then we could have a problem with our economy. So I'm going to let all the child rapists go because they're too big to jail. Go ahead, Alex.

Keep that theory and tell your audience over and over again how you think that pedophiles should be let go if they're rich enough or powerful enough. See if that one floats. Obviously, look, some of these guys are desperate because why are they desperate? It's normally they kiss Trump's ass. Where's the question, right? But now their own audiences are going, are you nuts? Are we really going to defend child rapists? Are you insane after all these years of what you said about pedophile?

on how they're taking over the government and now Trump says he's not going to prosecute a single pedophile even though we have them on tape and you're going to like somehow go yeah yeah that makes sense if they're a big enough banker we shouldn't are okay good good keep that theory until you lose all credibility and then you'll see real crying and vomiting as he was pretending to do yesterday okay so now the two super important things one is guys they're going to try to make Pam Bondi the scapegoat right so oh Donald Trump, poor Donald Trump, he didn't have anything to do with it. It was just Pam Blondie, it's all her fault, not Israel's or CIA's, it's just Pam Bondi. No, it's not just Pam Bondi, she's the scapegoat. But they think they're gonna get away with it. They think they could even protect Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Go on X, go on any social media, go, don't say anything, just read MAGA comments. They now hate Cash Patel and Dan Bonino.

done with them. You freaking sellouts. So you just don't trust me, go read it for yourself. No, you're not gonna rescue any of these frauds, okay? And finally, look, is it, there's two only, there's only two possible theories. Jordan and I talked about it yesterday. One is that Trump's on the list, Clinton's on the list, everybody on both parties are on the list. Everybody knows this theory, right? And so they don't want to release it because it's too damage. Number one, I don't believe that Trump could contain himself. If it like, if Clinton was on the list, he has verbal diarrhea. If any important Democrats on the list, he's going to say it. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. Okay, but more important than that is Trump grew up under the

tutelage of Roy Cohn. And you know what Roy Cohn did? He would tape his sex parties and then use it as blackmail. Trump would have to be an extra level of moron to fall for that trick after he knows that trick. He saw Roy Cohn use that trick many times to get exactly what he wanted. So I'd be super surprised if he fell for that. Much more likely is who has enough power to stop the U.S. government and both parties from hitting each other with devastating intel? Well, the intelligence agencies. So it's to me, the only possible answers are CIA or Mossad or both. And so if you made me put money on it, I'd say the only force in American politics that cannot be criticized is Israel. The CIA can be criticized to no end. And the

Democrats are really going to protect the CIA? They're all going to protect. Trump who hated his own intelligence agencies is going to bother protecting the CIA and the deep state? Okay, I mean, if that's what you're going to hang your head on. No, Trump is now protecting the deep state and I trust them. Okay, go ahead. Hang your hand on that one. But the one set of folks that in my lifetime are not allowed to be criticized by American politicians or media or government is Israel. So if you made me bet on it, I'd bet Mossad. And I'd probably lay down a good amount of money. Jordan, last word. I think the, I don't know, I don't know where I fall in the intelligence agency thing.

I mean, could be we don't know. So I don't really want to speculate there. But what I thought was entertaining was throughout, of course, a lot of these justifications from some of his allies are funny, the outrage, of course, is interesting to watch. But Tucker Carlson's excuse or reasoning for why it couldn't be that Trump himself would be in the files is that he's talked to him a lot about it. Like that one got me so good. Yeah, Trump's just going to be like, oh yeah, I'm in the Epstein files. It's all good. What do you mean you've talked to him about it? What's he going to do? Admit it to you? That I thought out of everything got me the best. Yeah, hard to argue with that one.

Yeah, I know, I talked to the perp and he says he didn't do it. Oh, okay. All good. Oh, they were all good. Okay, but knowing that the Roy Cone stuff, I mean, maybe Trump's that dumb. But there's something that has made both Democratic presidents and Republican presidents go, oh hell no, that we are never ever going to prosecute. prosecute the child rapists. We're never going to release their names. We're never going to

tell you anything about the worst pedophile in American history. And you tell me that it isn't a government secret of some governments? No, it's literally impossible. It's by definition, a secret the government is keeping from us to protect someone or something. And now it's absolutely indisputable. And if you think those MAGA guys were like, had turned on Trump and are criticizing him, but they're, you know, trying to couch it in ways that maybe is manageable, et cetera. Go look at the MAGA voters themselves. Go on any social media, read anything for MAGA. They are livid, livid about this, and they should be.