The Young Turks - Sanders vs. Schumer - November 6, 2025

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

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with you guys today. Big day ahead. We've got a lot of big Democratic names that are going to be discussed on today's show. Nancy Pelosi is retired, knocked out by my co-founder, Shortcott, Chuck Barthew. Knocked out, right. Just Democrats. We'll discuss slash debate that a little bit. Speaking of what Shortcott is going to be on at 8 o'clock Eastern. So the person who was running against Nancy Pelosi, West Coast, Momdani on the show at 8 o'clock Eastern tonight. And then after For that, Karenna Gore, so lots of big Democratic names on the show today. And so for these next couple of hours as we discuss both Democratic and Republican parties, we got Trump reaction to the filibuster, Trump reaction to Mamdani.

We got Bernie and Schumer, we got everything you could imagine. So let's get started, Michael. Let us indeed get started. There's a lot, and we will start with this. What is the risk for the midterms next year? The party leadership does not embrace this plank of the party? Well, the party leadership did not support Mamdani in New York, and he won. Party leadership is not supporting Plattner in Maine, and I think he's going to win.

So I think it is, you know, I think there is a growing understanding that leadership, and defending the status quo and the inequalities that exist in America is not where the American people are. So that, as you all probably know, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, And he commandeered, he sort of took over a press conference that was going to be a press conference for Senator, majority leader or minority leader, Chuck Schumer in D.C. And before Schumer took the stage, Senator Sanders came in, took the Democratic leadership, as you just heard, to task for not lending their support to now mayor elect Zoran Mamdani and didn't do it when he was running. And we're going to hear what Schumer had to say in response. But first, Jenk, what have you got on this? It made me think of like, what if Bernie was the Senate minority leader, let alone if you were other positions. But that's the type of message we need to hear, I believe.

So we're gonna get into here what does Schumer eventually say? And but most importantly and interestingly, what are other Democrats saying today about Mum Donnie and about the direction of the Democratic Party and the things they say and then the things they don't say. So you'll see. I sense this is going to be one of the episodes where you and I don't agree on every single thing we talk about. Oh, no, no. We won't agree on this. We won't agree later on Pelosi. It'll be fun. We'll agree in essence on this, but we won't agree fully on it. Anyway, stay tuned and you'll see. During Senator Sanders pop in at the Schumer Press conference, Sanders also admitted

that there is a clear divide within the Democratic Party, which of course we all knew that was brought to the forefront again thanks to the election in New York. Here, Senator Sanders. This guy started his campaign at 1% in the polls. I called it one of the great political upsets in the modern history of America, and I think that's really quite true. So who did he take on? He took on oligarchs who put millions and millions of dollars to try to defeat him. He took on the Republican establishment, and of course he took on the Democratic establishment. But is the Democratic leader part of the old? Why do you want to create that? Look, Obviously, do you have a Democratic establishment?

I ran for president against the Democratic establishment. That's what Mamdani did. It's no great secret. That's what Alexandria did. No great secret. Of course, there's an establishment. And of course, there's a division within the Democratic Party. There's no secret to anybody here.

What are we seeing in Maine? What did you see in New York City? What are you going to see all over this country? You're going to see progressives running, protecting the needs of the working class, taking on big money, interest, fighting for an agenda that works for all nine. just the few. And he referenced Alexandria, that's, of course, Representative Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, who had some harsh words for the party on the night Mamdani won the race herself.

And here is the representative. He had to not just defeat a Republican. He had to defeat a Republican and the old guard of the Democratic Party at the same time. He was fighting a war on two fronts and not just one. And he's still won resoundingly. And I think the message that that sends is that the Democratic Party cannot last much longer by denying the future, by trying to undercut our young, by trying to undercut a next generation of diverse and upcoming Democrats that have the parties, the actual party, that are actual electorate and voter support. And despite never having endorsed Mamdani refusing to say even who he voted for, Leader Schumer fully rejected that he is out of step with the Democratic base.

And as the New York Times reported, Schumer still exudes confidence that he is an effective party leader, making unpopular decisions that these kinds of progressive figures don't have to face. He often points to the fact that he never faces any challenge to his leadership from the Senate Democratic caucus. as a sign of his strength, even if this year he has seen his poll numbers in New York dip lower than they have in the past two decades. And that's very low. Right now, his popularity rating is underwater by 20 points, according to real clear polling. He was asked to respond to Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez's statement during his press conference yesterday. Here's what the minority leader had to say. I'm moving forward. This morning, I talked with mayor-elect

Mamdani. We had a very, very good conversation. We said that we cared about New York City and that we look forward to working together to help the city and improve the city. I congratulated him on running a very, very good campaign. And the issue that he is stressed as being stressed by Democrats across the country, from one end of America to the other, the high costs that the Trump administration is imposing on us and their failure. to do anything about it. So, Jenk, we'll, we'll, you know, get to what some of the other Democrats had to say about all of this and about Mamdani's victory and about the victories that happened around

the country. There's a similarity to the tone that some of the national figures struck. But, but before we do that, let's talk a little bit about this, the access of what, you know, Senator Sanders, Representative Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Schumer had to say. Yeah, so let me start off with some of our members, and then I'll get into my commentary. Over 9,000 wrote in on t.com. They got burned, asked him about establishment ghouls, and he will spit some fire. Part of the reason I'm reading that to you guys is because I want you to know the context. Schumer was late to the press conference, so Bernie is just sitting there and they asked him a question about the establishment.

So he's like, do you want to ask a question? I'll tell you, right? I mean, was he supposed to hide his feelings? No, of course. And Mr. Inbetween said, tap Schumer on the shoulder and says, bounce bitch. Okay, now Bernie didn't do that. Okay, although that's a fun way of putting it. So look, several different things here.

Schumer never endorsed and Hakeem Jeffries endorsed like three minutes before the race was called. I'm exaggerating, but not by much about last week or so after a long, long race. And the reason is obvious their donors didn't want them to. And they're in the opposite camp of the Democratic Party. They're in the corrupt camp, and Mamdani and Bernie are in the clean camp. Although Bernie's an independent. He's not in the Democratic Party. Well, okay.

And so that's not surprising. Are there, is there, like what I liked about that clip, Michael, was that Bernie's acknowledging something obvious, which he doesn't always do. Like there's been this unspoken war between establishments and progressives. It's spoken online all the time. On TV, though, it's almost never mentioned, like, because if you, because in the past, what would happen is if a progressive said, yeah, of course there's an establishment, they say, well, who do you think it is? Are you saying Chuck Schumer and Ezzie Blozer or the establishment? And then obviously the answer is yes, but then that's seen as some big affront to unity. Wait a minute. Here are the Democratic leadership that never endorsed Mumdani, who was a Democratic candidate. So obviously they never meant anything about unity. Whenever they said unity, they meant compliance. I think that one is inarguable. You could argue about the two sides and who's right, but that's, is at this point,

we have empirical evidence and we've had a lot of empirical evidence. When progressives are in trouble or challenged, the establishment never helps them, never. And whenever they feel they got an inch above progressives, they're like, you must obey unity. So it's lies, 100% lies, I'm done with that. And by the way, Schumer should be done too. Now, I mean, Pelosi's gone now, Cuomo's gone, and AOC should primary Schumer in for the New York Senate race, obviously, and drive him out and easily take that seat. That's my opinion. You know, I don't know that she'll have to prime.

I think that Schumer will eventually just step down. I don't think that it's going to be a question of primary. I don't think he wants to get into a primary. I don't think he wants to lose a primary. I think that he's going to see how this shutdown thing pans out. And then I imagine he'll have a press conference where you learn a little bit about what his plans are. Yeah, it's the AOC situation is interesting, Michael, because she must be thinking about running for president. Because if I'm her and I want it, and I'm not going to run for president, I want that Senate seat.

It's a bigger role. And all you have to do is say I'm coming as Schumer will retire. I agree with you. But in New York, a downstate challenge from. may not play as well. And it's interesting because also Kathy Hokel is now in the conversation, the governor of New York. I think AOC would obliterate her. I do too, except she's an upstate New Yorker.

And she's also an upstate New Yorker who came out as she should have for Mamdani immediately and campaigned with him. And so, and that's not what you would have expected from from Governor Hockel. She wasn't on his side in the primary, but she didn't have to be. She didn't have to be. In a primary, you don't have to be on anybody's side. I mean, you know, and it was a funny primary for her because she replaced Andrew Cuomo essentially when Andrew Cuomo went. So it was a funny place for the governor to be interesting politics, actually.

I think it was really good political theater. These leaders should have endorsed the Democrat who won there. I understand why they didn't, and I don't, that doesn't mean I sympathize with why they didn't. I get why they didn't. I don't think it's as much about money as you probably do. I don't think it's about the donors, maybe in Schumer's case a little more than Jeffrey's case, it is. But I think that it's about a national strategy that the Democratic Party has, for better or worse, whether it works or it doesn't work, of saying we are not going to get ourselves caught up in what we view as being fringe types of issues.

You hear Republicans ecstatic that Mamdani won because they can tie the national party to Mamdani. So what these national figures are doing are saying, yeah, we're okay with Mamdani winning. We don't want to get involved with it because we want to be able to, A, raise money on us and, B, be able to run the types of national campaigns that we want to. This episode is brought to you by a private. You and I make decisions every day, but on prize picks, being right can get your paid, which is kind of awesome. Don't miss any of the excitement of this sports season. On prize picks, whether you're a football fan, a basketball fan, or a fan of both, like me, it always feels good to be right. And let me tell you, with the NBA season starting off and NFL season in mid-form, there's no better time to play.

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It's probably 80, 20, right? So they don't want to get labeled with a socialist label, stuck with it, right? But number one, it just one. I get it, it's New York City. I get it more than anybody, right? Now, having said that, why are you stuck with that label? I mean, mainstream media does this absurd thing where they're like, okay, one Democrat is a socialist and one in one of the most progressive cities in the country, okay?

So that means all Democrats, you have to say whether you're a socialist or not. Why? And do you do that for Republicans when Herschel Walker was running? He was mentally unstable, like, okay, Herschel Walker's mentally unstable. Are you for mental instability? He's talking about murdering people, are you all for murdering? Well, Randy Fine's talking about murdering two million people in Gaza. So are they asking every single Republican, Randy Fine is a genocidal maniac?

Or does that mean you're a genocidal maniac? No. So this is a smeared job by mainstream media, the way that I would fight against it. And you're not going to be surprised by this is I'd go over the top. I wouldn't be worried about that. I wouldn't be like, oh my God, we'll all be called socialist. I'd be like, hey, you're a reporter, right? You understand that Montana's not the same as New York.

You understand that not every Democrat is the same? Like, do I have to explain that to you? Really? Really? But ask any question you like, because I'm here all day. Yeah, and it is about the media. It's about the questions they ask and how they tell the story. And Tala Rico, who's running in Texas, said that. When he first came on the air as a candidate for the Senate seat, he was going on the air.

And everyone was saying, you're all asking. about LGBTQ and trans people in sports. No one has asked me about the cost of living. No one has asked me about immigration. No one has asked me about civil rights. No one has asked me about housing. They're all talking about that. So in fairness and in agreement with what you're saying,

the media is carving this out because those are the questions they're asking and those are the connections they're drawing. So they will ask Hakeem Jeffries, would he endorse, what does it mean if the minority leader leader of the House of Representatives is endorsing someone who is a democratic socialist. So somebody like Jeffries will say, I don't even want to bother with that, right? I don't even want to bother with that being associated that way.

You could say that it's clownish, you could say that it's cowardly. It probably is both to a degree, but it also comes with a bit of strategy, which they will live or die by, you know. Yeah, that kind of defensive posture drives me crazy. Of course. You're like, just go out and say who you are. There's nothing wrong with it. Here, look, I'll do it. I'm a capitalist, I'm not a socialist.

I like Mom Donnie because he was for change and he was against the status quo. Do I think that every one of his position is going to work? I don't know, let's find out. I'm not in favor of rent control, for example, and he wants to further rent control, just like with the apartments that are already ran control do a freeze on them. I don't think that that's going to work that well. So what, so what? The brother won the Democratic primary.

He's for change, so I'm in favor of him, right? That doesn't mean I am him. This is complicated. Is this complicated? Like sometimes I feel like with mainstream media, you have to talk slowly. And why are they trying to, look at the point that Michael's making about the candidate where you said in Montana that was running? Or Texas?

In Texas. Yeah, and so they're constantly asking them culture war questions. Okay, why? Because mainstream media doesn't want to focus on what Mamdani was desperately trying to focus on. Affordability, because corporate media and corporate politicians love that it's not affordable. They love it because that's the corporations that are getting rich off of crushing us and making things unavoidable.

And it's complicated guys, it's not, there's no conspiracy, there's no, you know, the cable news anchors don't get together with the chamber of Congress. I've talked a lot about this, you know, it's group think and what does a group thing comes from, it's an invisible hand of the market. It's, I wrote about it in justice coming my book, but bottom line here is you're seeing it in action as you're seeing them constantly focus on culture. war issues and things that divide us and never really asking about the issues that the New York voters just told you are the most important. Right. And all it matters is what the New York

voters had to say, right? And he won resoundingly against a familiar name in Andrew Cuomo. I don't think Curtis Leewa had anything to do with what happened the other night. And now he's the mayor of New York. And listen, there have been, and Jenk and I off air talked about this the other knife. There have been other mayors of New York who have challenged the establishment and been wildly unsuccessful mayors. I happen to think Mamdani is too smart to be dumb when he is mayor. David Dinkins challenged the establishment. He's a black borough president, Manhattan Borough president in New York. Yes, he came up through a political machine in New York, but, you know, there were not a lot of citywide black figures who did well in that way.

And of course, he was the first black mayor. And then Bill de Blasio. who came kind of out of nowhere as a progressive, a very progressive candidate who came in with an arrogance that he could do whatever he wanted and was, while charismatic, unsuccessful. So I think that there is most definitely precedent for challenging the establishment in New York. But when leadership in Washington comes from New York, it's different. You have a New York senator who runs the minority in the Senate, and you have a New York representative from Queens and Akeem Jeffries who runs the minority party in the House. they should have stood up, you know, now, now unfortunately, Mumdani needs them more than he needs, you know, more than they need him.

Because if, if Trump is going to make it difficult on him, he's going to have to find a way to get money and support from Congress. And that's the way it's going to shake out at least for the next year while that leadership team is in there. So on election night, though, there were other Democrats, many national Democrats who congratulated the two candidates who won that night in other places. and some of the others on their victories, but didn't point to Mamdani. So consistent with what we've been talking about, Pete Buttigieg, former transportation secretary and mayor, he said New Jersey and Virginia have chosen well by electing Mikey Cheryl and Spanberger for Virginia. That's Abigail Spanberger, as their next governors. There are proven leaders who won by focusing on what matters most, how politics and policy

can make everyday life better and more affordable. Cory Booker put out a tweet, the senator from New Jersey, saying yesterday, we showed that the power of the people is greater than the president in power with the images of four headlines attached, none mentioning New York or Mamdani. You'll see Philadelphia with New Jersey. Philadelphia had in Pennsylvania Supreme Court justices that all won. They're a bedroom community for some New Jersey voters. They have Mikey Cheryl there, California and Prop 50.

redistricting and Abigail Spamberger. There seemed to have been room. I think you could have lost the across Philly and New Jersey headline there and put room for Mamdani winning. Corey Booker, though, did not do that in his tweet. Debbie Dingell, a member of Congress from Michigan, was asked about Mom Donnie on CNN. She immediately went right to Spamberger and Mikey Cheryl. Here is Debbie Dingell, their former colleague. Do you have concerns about Mamdami? and the labels that this affords Republicans being used as a weapon against Democrats. Okay, Republicans tried to make Nancy Pelosi the enemy in Europe's past. I'm going to focus on the election of Abigail Spanberger, who is clearly a moderate, as is Mikey Cheryl.

Both women that had strong military and national intelligence background. So, you know, look, that was the example of what we were talking about, right? I mean, you had the CNN anchor asking the representative from Michigan, what about the socialist who just won, right? That's how they're framing this. And that's how, you know, it's an interesting thing to talk about after a primary. He's the Democrat who won the mayor's race in New York. It's a different. It's an interesting thing to talk about when that person is a candidate. Can a socialist win? You're a socialist. Can you win in New York City? Well, he proved that he can win in New York City. So it's an irresponsible question to still be asking. I get why they're asking, but if that's the lead question, that's terribly irresponsible. And Dingell, of course, talking about her former colleagues and the Democrats, as we talked about earlier in the segment, Jack, talking about moderation. It seems to be a national plan. You're not going to agree with it.

I'm not sure that I agree with it across the board, but I get the strategy. I get why they're trying it. Yeah, so look, everyone's a little bit different place within Democratic Party. I just keep saying, so what? So, and in terms of these Democrats that Michael just quoted, Art Garfunkel wrote about this a long time ago, called the Sound of Silence. So when it comes to Mom Don't say, there was a hilarious thing about Cory Booker, you know, he's not backing Mom Donnie, they asked him about it. And he says, oh, well, New York is so far. I don't like to get involved in New York politics.

Philly's a little further, and D.C. is definitely further. But yet you seem to be involved in their politics, right? So, all right, one last time. This is super simple. Chuck Schumer and I are in the same party. I'm a Democrat. He's a Democrat, okay? Does that mean I agree with everything Chuck Schumer says?

That's comical, right? I barely agree with anything he says. So, so what? So what? Not a complicated question here. And for the Democrats, look, that's why I say it's 80% about money, because it isn't just like, hey, AOC won, when AOC won, a lot of them immediately flipped and we're like, okay, well, you know, what am I going to do, right?

But they're not flipping here, they're not mentioning him, they're purposely avoiding him, because yeah, of course their donors would be super pissed. The donor class despises Mum Donnie, so that's why they're all nervous as hell. I don't say mom daddy. I got it, I got it. Come on, Cory Booker is the most obvious. Because, okay, Debbie Dingle, her politics is confusing. I don't even know what to call her, right?

And Buttigieg's corporate establishment 101, I get it. But Cory Bookers would sometimes pretend to be a progressive. So what would be the issue with Momdani? Come on, get real. Yeah, well, you can paint it pretty easily with money. and the fact that most of Cory Bookers or many of Cory Booker's constituents work in New York City every single day and make a lot of money doing it. And so there's obviously that connection. And you know, he's a national candidate and he's going to be extra careful, annoyingly so as a U.S.

Senator in this case at least. So there will be more on this when we come back. We're going to be talking about Mamdani and the president, which is an entirely different relationship. that is going to be forged, if it is at all. So stick with us, and we will be back. Now streaming on Paramount Plus. It's the epic return of Mayor of Kingstown. Warden? You know who I am. Starring Academy Award nominee, Jeremy Renner.

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So, Jenk, Deborah, take a look at what the president had to say. So Donald Trump, since I know you're watching, I have four words for you. Turn the volume up. So hear me, President Trump, when I say this, to get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us. How do you respond to that? Does that affect anything you're going to do? It's a very dangerous statement for him to make, actually. Shockingly, President Trump, not embracing the new mayor of New York, we knew that was going to happen.

in a fight between Mayor Mamdani and President Trump is brewing now following the win on Tuesday. The pot only starting to simmer now. Jank, what are your first thoughts on what you see as this relationship? Yeah, I wasn't as worried about that statement from Trump. I'm worried about the next statement we're going to show you because I think that it's unacceptable. But I also want to talk about who's right here because Trump thinks it's a win to have Mom Donnie as a foil. I don't think it's the win that he thinks it is. So we'll discuss.

Yeah, well, and we will discuss, and I don't know when we'll know the answer to that, but probably soon considering it's Trump, as we shared with you yesterday, Trump was pushing very, very hard for former governor Andrew Cuomo to win that race, posting on truth social on election morning. Any Jewish person that votes for Zoran Mamdani, a proven and self-professed Jew hater, is a stupid person, which is really smart thing to say in New York. he didn't get his way and got called out, Trump's hurt feelings were on full display during an interview with Fox's Brett Bear last night.

I thought it was a very angry speech, certainly angry toward me, and I think he should be very nice to me. You know, I'm the one that sort of has to approve a lot of things coming to him, so he's off to a bad start. At one point, he says, turn the volume up. So hear me, President Trump, when I say this, to get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us. How do you respond to that?

Does that affect anything you're going to do? It's a very dangerous statement for him to make, actually. And, you know, you talk about danger. I think it's a very dangerous statement for him to make. He has to be a little bit respectful of Washington because if he's not, he doesn't have a chance of succeeding. And I want to make him succeed. I want to make the city succeed. I don't want to make him succeed.

I want to make the city succeed. And we'll see what happens. Did you see reaching out to him? I would say he should reach out to us. An interesting take from the president. And during the Mamdani campaign, Trump had threatened, as you recall, to slash New York City's federal funding to the minimum requirement if Mamdani won, as well as mount a takeover. So in essence, Trump was alive when Gerald Ford was president. There's that famous New York Post or daily news headline that said Ford to City drop dead.

I'm sure that he's waiting to emulate that when New York City was asking for federal funds during the Mac era in New York, Big Mac when they were bankrupt in New York City. The White House even posted this to X yesterday following his win before deleting it hours later. Trump is your president, as you can see in the familiar, even if you're not an NBA fan, New York Nick logo. So this celebratory post is was posted by the White House. Mamdani's campaign used a similar NICS parody logo and the NICs as both parties to take it down. So Mamdani made it clear during his first press conference yesterday. He's ready for anything that the president throws his way. AP News reported that Mamdani was preparing to Trump proof.

That's in quotes, Trump proof the city to protect those with the least from consequences of the man with the most power in the country. He's already vowing to hire the president is 200 lawyers to the city's department. The mayor is, the mayor elected to hire 200 lawyers to the city's law department to help stand up to, quote, presidential excess. New Yorkers are facing twin crises in this moment, an authoritarian administration and an affordability crisis. And it will be my job, says Mom Donnie, to deliver on both. But at the same time, he's willing to work with Trump, as we said earlier in the last segment, that now the mayor is going to have to work with Washington to a degree to get what he wants. This is what Mamdani said about that. I will work with the president if he

wants to work together to deliver on his campaign promises of cheaper groceries or a lower cost of living. But if the president looks to come after the people of this city, then I will be there standing up for them every step of the way. The rise of Mandami is, Mamdani is similar to how Trump was able to rise to power nearly a decade ago, though not from the same anonymity, obtaining power through social media to get attention and to promise a way of change with a populist message. And Trump can't help but be attracted to that, even if he seems pissed in public. In private, Trump has described Mamdani now the mayor elect of New York City is a talented politician calling him slick and a good talker,

according to two people who discussed the president's comments on condition of anonymity. That's Tyler Pageer in the New York Times. Jank, what do you think of how the president and the mayor elect are interacting one day into this? Yeah, so there's something that Trump said there that pissed me off. So we'll get to that in a second. But first on his true social post, I just want to clarify a couple things. Of course, Mamdani's not a Jew hater and that whole thing's a lie. But the part that was over the top was that he said he's a proven hilarious because he's literally never said anything against Jewish people and has said a million times.

Of course I support Jewish people. I'll protect them. They're important, blah, blah, blah. They've said all the things that you would think any decent human being would say. And any mayor of New York. And any mayor of New York, of course, would say her candidate. And but not only did he say proven, but self-professed Jew hater. Really?

When did Mom Dani come out and say, oh, I hate all Jews? Like, he just makes stuff up with no remorse, no conscious at all, right? So a lot of you know that, but some of the folks who voted for Trump are just beginning to see that because they're getting a sampling of different shows in online media. And they're like, oh, I'm not sure Fox News was right when they said Trump's always correct. Now, you're not always correct, okay? And also, if you look at the breakdown, Jank, of where voters, where Momdani's support came in New York. city. You look at Brooklyn, you look at the upper west side, it was, it was a sea of

Mamdani, and those are some of the most Jewish parts of New York City. So it also flies in the face of what the president is saying. Exactly what I was going to say, Michael. Not about the different areas in New York, but some of the polling, we don't have the definitive exit polls yet, but at least a third of Jewish voters in New York voted for Mamdani. And There was a poll ahead of time showing two thirds of younger Jewish voters voted for Mom Donnie. So a huge number. So apparently according to Trump, they all hate themselves. So like self-professed.

Of course, right? Anyway, so now to the main event. Look, the part that bothers me is when Trump threatens funding based on his feelings. So he's like, yeah, you better to be nice to me. No, no, he doesn't have to be nice to you. You're supposed to represent all Americans. Now, look, I always ask people show on other foot, right? And I do it with Democrats, I do it with Republicans.

So in this case, imagine if a Democrat wins the presidency and he's like, well, you know, the mayor of Tuscaloosa and Biloxi, they better be nice to me. Otherwise, I'm cutting off Alabama and Mr. P, you won't get any money. Ha ha, ha, you weren't nice to me. You'd be like, what a maniac, what a lunatic. No, no, no, you represent Alabama and Mississippi. You're the president of the United States, right? But this is in Republican DNA, right?

You see it with FEMA, you see it with disaster relief. So you see it, of course, in the way that Trump's speaking to mom. Yeah, and it's, I know in this day and age, you have to fight through so much misinformation to get to the real answers. Like, so I know right wingers who'll think that Michael's totally wrong about FEMA. No, FEMA is the one that's discriminating. So I don't want to get back into the whole FEMA fight, right? But here, here, it's obvious, right? because he's saying that Mamdani is not being nice to him, so he might punish U.S. citizens

who live in New York, totally unacceptable. And then did you notice what he said, this is a direct quote, a little bit, he needs to be, quote, a little bit respectful of Washington. Does he? Like, even if you're maga, does he have to be respectful of Washington? Like, is that a thing you want all of your local politicians to do, even if there's a Democrat in office? Oh, no, no, no, I have to be respectful of Joe.

I can't criticize Joe Biden. And I certainly don't want to criticize him personally because then he'll get hurt feelings. You get it. It's not the way to go. That's not how a president of the entire country should be acting. And then the one part I will agree with Trump on, though, he said, when they asked him, are you going to reach out to him? He said he should reach out to us.

And that's fair. He's the president. That's just the mayor is obviously the biggest city in the country. But yeah, no, it goes in the opposite direction. Mayors should reach out to presidents. So, okay, having said all that, what's going to be the bottom line? You know, is Trump going to cut off some funding that New York is due? That's not only a terrible idea philosophically and ideologically and for the country,

but also what if it starts a tit for tat? And now we're even more divided, right? So now every, like, you know, Texas redistricts, California redistricts. So now if Trump says, I'm not going to give to blue states and blue cities, what happens if a Democrat gets in and you're, you know, your MAGA and all of a sudden, well, there goes the red states. You're not getting funding anymore. Only the blue states are. No, that's an epic disaster. We can't have it. It'd be right, but that's where that's where the question of whether Trump is anomalous to other politicians

comes into play. So the presumption is that the Democrats or the Republicans would not have a Trump-like, that there is not anyone in our lifetime who will be like that and as childish as this guy, and certainly as president, but we had it once because we have it now, so it could happen. I do think that it is, I don't think it's a, you know, the FEMA thing is a bridge too far, and it's not just FEMA, it's extra money that Congress allocates above and beyond FEMA when they're a disaster. So James Comer, you know, the Republican member of Congress who is on the Oversight Committee, and he is somebody who, had terrible tornadoes in his home state of Kentucky, in his district, as a representative.

And he was screaming for money from the federal government to go into Kentucky. And then there were fires in Northern California. So, yeah, we can't do that. We don't have enough money to do that. If we do that, then we'll be giving, you know, so there. Ted Cruz did the same exactly. Ted Cruz did the exact same thing. So it is, like I said, in their DNA to behave this way is to be vindictive through, you know, starving them to death.

But Trump also, if grocery prices go down in New York City, stands to benefit. If some of the things that Mamdani is doing work, they are economic boons and going into a midterm election, that helps Donald Trump. You know, that helps his party if things start to turn in a direction that is positive. So you do run into that a little bit as well if you're Trump. Yeah. So, but look, let's keep it real. They want Mum Donnie to do as poorly as he can. Now, to be fair to Trump, he said the opposite.

You heard him say the opposite. So fair is fair. He said the right thing in that case. But, I mean, you see it in all the punitary. You see it on all the other Republican politician reaction. And you know Donald Trump. He doesn't want Mum Donny to do well. And if New York suffers, they'll be able to point to it and go, aha, we told you.

And if New York prospers and the things I just talked about happen, they'll take the credit. So it doesn't really matter. But I'm just saying in general, that's kind of how it's- Yeah, that's definitely true. Like if things go well in New York trouble, but it was because I was president. If they go about this, because he was mayor. And that's the game, by the way, that everybody plays, to be fair.

All right, we're way out of time here. When we come back, one of our friends drove Nancy Pelosi into retirement. Was that the only factor? Probably not the only factor, okay, but. I don't agree with that. Okay, all right. Well, and we might have a nice debate about Pelosi's career when we were. return.

Get no frills delivered. Shop the same in-store prices online and enjoy unlimited delivery with PC Express Pass. Get your first year for $2.50 a month. Learn more at pceexpress.ca. All right, back on TYT, Jank and Michael with you guys. All right, some programming notes, Shortcott Chuck Pardtie, who's running it, was running a, yes, Nancy Pelosi until today is going to come on here at 8 o'clock Eastern and talk to us about it.

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All right, Michael, and what's next? Yeah, so we will have a lot to say after you take a listen to this. I say to my colleagues in the house all the time, no matter what title they have bestowed upon me. speaker, leader, whip, there has been no greater honor for me than to stand on the house floor and say, I speak for the people of San Francisco. I have truly loved serving as your voice in Congress, and I've always honored the song of St. Francis. Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace, the anthem of our city. That is why I want you, my fellow San Franciscans, to be the first to know.

be seeking re-election to Congress. This morning, the Speaker Emerita, the representative Nancy Pelosi, the first only, the first and second and only female speaker of the House. And now she will not be seeking re-election next year after serving nearly 40 years and what will be 40 years in Congress. TYT has had, I guess, a quixotic relationship with the speaker over the years. So, Jenk, I suspect I know you're two cents, but we'll have lots to say. Yeah, down goes, all right, hold on, hold on.

So we're going to talk about my former colleague, shortcut checker Bartney, who was running against her. Do I think that was part of it a little bit? Do I think that Zora Mamdani winning was a little bit of a part of this calculus? Yes, the incumbents for the first time feel vulnerable. In my lifetime, I don't think I've ever seen democratic incumbents feel vulnerable. And so in primaries. And so I think that this is a bellwether change.

And yes, we'll debate Pelosi's career. Yeah, I think Nancy Pelosi was always going to step down before she even knew Shokat's name. But I just think the timing of this was 40 years in Congress and that was it. But we'll get to that. And that doesn't really matter. We're talking about her career, what this will mean for the Democrats, why it happened. Nancy Pelosi is 85 years old. She was first elected to Congress in 1986, I guess.

She started serving in 87. She served as a Speaker of the House following 2006 and the 2018 elections. Her announcement comes two days after she held California Governor Gavin Newsom pass Proposition 50, which we now all know will redraw the state's congressional maps ahead of next year's midterm elections. According to a person familiar with fundraising efforts in that race, Pelosi herself raised. tens of millions of dollars for Proposition 50. And her video announcing her retirement, a piece of which we just saw,

she reflected on her many roles in the US Congress. For decades, I've cherished the privilege of representing our magnificent city in the United States Congress. It seems prophetic now that the slogan of my very first campaign in 1987 was a voice that will be heard. And it was you who made those words

come true. It was the faith that you had placed in me and the latitude that you have given me that enabled me to shatter the marble ceiling and be the first woman speaker of the house. As we go forward, my message to the city I love is this. San Francisco, know your power. We have made history. We have made progress. We have always led the way. And now we must continue to do so by remaining full participants in our democracy and fighting for the American ideals we hold dear. So the speaker leaves having, you know, in 40 years you get a lot done, especially when you become the Speaker of the House, a lot done for her own district, a lot done, as she said in her video, a lot done for the country. So here's some more from the Speaker of Maritime. It was an historic moment for our country, and it was momentous for our community,

empowering me to bring home billions of dollars for our city and our state. With these resources, we have powered enormous progress. For health care, from the fight against HIV AIDS to the affordable care. For transportation, extending VART, electrifying Caltrain, creating the 3rd Street light rail and the Central Subway and strengthening our iconic Golden Gate Bridge, all creating good-paying jobs. We can be proud of what we have accomplished,

but there's always much more work to be done. Of course, San Francisco's impact is not confined to our city limits. The Affordable Care Act, Wall Street Reform, human rights abroad, and so many other priorities, all sprang from the vision, values, and voices of San Franciscans. Because of your trust, I was able to represent our city and our country around the world with patriotism and pride. Yeah, she was always she always hewed very closely to being the representative from San Francisco. And as she said there, none of it inaccurate that she, I mean, maybe romanticized, but not inaccurate that she did do a lot for the city when you are in leadership.

It's a lot easier to do that when you're the speaker even more so. She did also, you know, on the Golden Gate Bridge, she put in those suicide barriers on the Golden Gate Bridge. She had those put in. She took the Presidio and turned it into a national park. So a lot was done for San Francisco, as she mentioned. I don't think, Jenk, we would have the Affordable Care Act in the same way. I don't think it would have passed the same without her having shepherded that through.

And I think that's probably her biggest achievement as a member of Congress, though she did had the Lilly Ledbetter Equal Pay Act. She had the child care and paid leave act. She was also instrumental in human rights. And finally, she stood up to China. She went to China and held up signs to commemorate the people at Tiananmen Square. Like her first, maybe it was her second term in Congress. She put in environmental restrictions so that developers around the world had to abide by a certain.

set of environmental, you know, barriers, let's say, but I think stepping away from that, I think that we saw, and I said this about Mitch McConnell too, we got to see Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, who I think, forgetting what you think of their politics or their party or their personalities or anything, in terms of doing those jobs, they were both excellent at the job of both speaker and majority and minority leader in McConnell's case, you know, despise Mitch McConnell, but he was certainly pretty crafty at getting done what he wanted to do. I think the same for Pelosi. She was able to hold together her caucus against Donald Trump in that first term in ways that I don't think many leaders would. And of course, I can't speak

for what, you know, I'm not a woman. I don't have daughters, but I know that she inspired a lot of women to break that marble ceiling the way she did a lot. There were 24 women in the US house when she got there now, the U.S. House is 30% women. And so they're not all Democrats. They're not all there because of Pelosi. Some of them are there in spite of Pelosi. But I do think that her record in that regard is, you know, exceptional. Yeah.

So look, first of all, you got to give credit to her for bringing the glass ceiling, marble ceiling, et cetera, first female Speaker of the House role model for people showing that you can do it. No question. She gets a ton of credit for that. She gets credit for everything she did in San Francisco, the Presidio is beautiful, et cetera. I got no beef. And I don't want to speak too ill of the retired. So I'd get on Pelosi's case a lot throughout the years, but that's because we're in the

middle of a heated battle. And she always represented the establishment and was always against progressives. So I got every right to oppose her. She opposed us her entire career. But now that she's retiring, less relevant, right? So I don't do this out of spite, but out of, you know, making sure that you all know, what actually happened, right? So all the things that Michael said are true,

but two things can be true at the same time, and context matters. And context actually, it doesn't help her in one way, but then at the end, I'll tell you about how it helps her in a different way. So when you look at the context, okay, so her, the one major bill was Obamacare, right? And Obamacare, they had the House,

they had the White House, and they had the Senate sitting at, it's at one point in the beginning, if they heard 60 senators, filibuster proof, then 59 senators. So you really, if you say, hey man, my major accomplishment is passing a bill that, by the way, didn't go anywhere near all the way, didn't go to universal health care, didn't even go to a public option, but this mandated that you buy from private insurance, but made the system a little bit better when I had 59 senators and had the House comfortably, and obviously she's the Speaker of the House, I just, I want to be nice, but I just don't believe that's like some magnificent accomplishment. It is an extraordinary, it is historic, it is the biggest congressional legislative accomplishment that you've been alive for, I would say. But maybe not alive for, but certainly. It's one of the biggest, yeah, yeah.

And to do that, to do that, it's not a low bar. I mean, like she, we changed health care. She changed health care in America, along with President Obama, along with the people on the staff, along with members of Congress. And it didn't go far enough. It didn't do enough. But it took something, put it in place. And now no one in America wants it taken away. That is a rare and enduring thing to have done.

So I'm giving her credit for that one bill, which I think was stunningly easy to pass. It wasn't easy to pass. It wasn't easy to pass. I mean, it wasn't easy to pass because she had a caucus that was large but divided. She had pro-choice members of that caucus that didn't want to vote for it because of what, there wasn't enough for abortion. Drug money. Health insurance money.

I mean, come on, Jack. Come on, you tell me. She's a Speaker of the House and they passed monumental health care. Okay, the speaker gets credit for that. Okay, I'm trying to give her. It's never a low bar to change the way things are done in this country. So what I what I dream about, Michael, is that an ally of mine that I think is really earnest and strong and wants to do it, gets in a role like that. I really want to show the country what you can actually get done.

And that person would have a hard time doing that. I hope that happens for you. That person would have a hard time doing it. It would be hard because getting anything through Congress is difficult. No, you break their legs politically and rhetorically. You say here's the corrupt son of a bitch taking away your health care. Now here's a corrupt son of a bitch who created higher drug prices. Yes, that corrupt son of a bitch is in my own party, but not for long.

We have to talk about real. definitely destroy his career for supporting corporate donors who are destroying your lives with these high drug prices. But of course, the Democratic in her era would never do that. You have to talk about anybody's era when you're talking about it. I mean, it's the real politics of the time. It's a divided caucus. And it's, I mean, come on. Okay, so hold on. I'm going to come to that. Okay. So if what, if you were saying you want to happen happens, fantastic. But that that won't be under Nancy Pelosi's much. I'm getting to that. Yeah. Okay. So now, do the rest of her career, I mean, she mentioned only three things nationally, Wall Street reform. They did half

a reform. The other half was so bad that they were going to put Paul Volker's name on it, who's a conservative from back in the 1970s and 80s that ran the Fed. And by the end, he's like, no, it's so conservative and corporate and establishment, I don't want it. I don't want it. And then he accompanied it with a giant bailout of the bankers, including their bonuses, okay? And then she said, oh, human rights abroad. And there's some truth to that. The things that Michael said are true. At the same time, when the Palestinians wanted some human rights, Nancy Pelosi didn't care about them at all. And she helped to send more money to crush them and to further this genocide. So human rights for some, but not for all. So in a 40 year career, you got one big

bill passed when you had almost the entire deck stacked in your favor. And you got half or a quarter Wall Street reform in 40 years. Wait a second, you didn't just get one bill passed, and that wasn't her bill. She was the speaker then. There were, you know, from TARP, from, from AIDS and HIV relief. AIDS and HIV relief is the model for countries around the world, and that was crafted. I mean, it does go to her being from San Francisco, obviously. It was crafted by Pelosi and Boxer, who was her colleague in the Congress at that time,

went on to be a senator from California. So these are things that she did that have lasting and enduring, And how many members of Congress leave with legislation with their names on it? Nancy Pelosi isn't leaving with legislation. She's leaving, having been Speaker, who shepherded these things through at a time that it was not easy to do that. She also was, you know, she went up against George Bush big time with the Iraq War, was a foil to him, was somebody who had that Iraq War resolution and made sure that everybody was opposed to it and wasn't able to get it there. During the COVID relief, the Trump administration had to pull Stephen Mnuchin out of negotiations

with Nancy Pelosi because she was getting too much COVID relief. And the Trump people are like, oh, we need to send somebody who isn't Stephen Mnuchin. I'm just saying this is her as a leader, this is her as a speaker. And that's the role of the job, that there isn't a Pelosi, you know, the Pelosi Act, which by the way, the Pelosi Act is what the Republicans want to put in to stop stock trading by any members of Congress. Well, Nancy Pelosi has supported that and she supported. Well, she didn't in the beginning. She only did when she got into the minority.

She did, well, she started doing it in 2022 when it became an issue. And she said that there was bipartisan effort and she was behind it. And then she said what, even if it's called the Pelosi Act, I don't care. I'm, I'm for it. Look, she's a rich housewife from San Francisco. Her husband is a stock trader. I'm not saying that everything about her is squeaky clean in that regard. No, I got you.

I got you. And so, and you don't mean housewife and Dyrs of it. I don't, that's where she served. Her husband is really wealthy, finance guy, I got it. She raised five kids and she was home being a housewife until she entered politics. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. So listen guys, I'm really glad that Michael's here today so that you could hear the full

conversation and the full context. And so you've gotten both sides of it, you get it. And look, only last two things I'll add is, look, did she fight progressives throughout? She did. And so when the Green New Deal came about, she said. said, oh, it's the green dream or whatever. When Medicare for all came around, she said, oh, I mean, I've got a poster for universal health care from the 1960s in my basement where she apparently buried it, right? But on the other hand, everything Michael's saying is

also true. Like, it's not a little thing that she made people address AIDS at a critical time, right? So fair is fair. Now, did she raise about a billion dollars in campaign donations and donate and disperse that to other Democrats in the House? Yes. Is that a good thing? No. I think much more than that. Yeah, yeah, more than a billion. It's not a good thing that you have to do it. It's a good thing that she did it. Which gets me to my last point, right?

So I hate that kind of corruption and then did those people, then control those Democrats, and is that why we haven't passed a lot of bills? Yes, I think so. But to Michael's point, historical context matters. And what I realized recently, Michael, is that, yeah, I am a little too tough on these guys. And so the reason is I keep assuming that they can see. the things that I see, that they see it as clearly as we all do, and that they could act in the same way that we do. But they can't. The historical context of her era, which is now

just ending, right, is that money ruled all of Washington. So if you didn't play that game, you were going to be a miracle like AOC winning, you were going to be a gadfly for a long time like Bernie Sanders was. So this wave of progressivism and populism is just now starting to become ascendant. And in her era, if you didn't raise a lot of money, you weren't going to be a relevant player. And so she played the game as it was. I kept wishing that she could play the new game and better to get us more democratic policies, more wins. But from that era, that's all we had. We had Mitch McConnell and we had Pelosi and we had all these guys raising infinite amount of money from corporations, et cetera. And so she had to match Mitch McConnell and she did.

I don't think that that makes her evil. I also don't think that makes her good. I think it makes her a product of her time. And at the end, the only thing that anybody will remember, if we're being honest, is that she was the first female speaker of the house. And that's not a small thing. That is a historic accomplishment. And she tore up Donald Trump's speech.

She did do that as well. All right. Oh, my God, we're out of time. Well, that one flew by. Okay, and by the way, she did a good job on Prop 50. I appreciate that she raised money for that. You see that? Yeah, and they'll be a race in that.

I mean, Chalkat will be running. Scott Wiener, a state center, will be running. Possibly Christine Pelosi, her daughter, will run for that. Yeah, we're going to talk more about that when shortcut comes on at 8 o'clock. All right, thank you, Michael. We'll be right back. You know, B.

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