The Young Turks - Sayonara Sinwar

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

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All right, well, the young Turks, Jane Huger, Anna Kasparian, live from the Polymarket Studio in L.A. So, guys, huge news today. So I start out on a good moon. I will immediately change to a bad moon in a second. Not because they got Yaya Sinwar, but because what's going to happen next. And that's going to be very interesting. But it might, it might lead to good news, even in the case of Israel. So hold? No, we won't. Okay, then we got plenty on the elections, both sides trying to figure out a way to lose it. It's a race to the bottom, so it's fascinating. But then my favorite story today actually doesn't have any new with these massive news events. It has to do with people trying to get into Ivy League colleges. Oh, yeah, it's a great story.

Yeah, and that, it's such a rando story, but there was something that really bothered me. me about it, even though it makes no sense that I should be bothered by it, but I found it right before we came to air. I found out what it was that bothered me. All right. Every fiber of my being today is bothered, okay? Well, salt dragon every. Okay, today is definitely a saltier type of day for me. Okay, lots of salt coming. All right, so let's do the news. Well, something that I'm not salty about, although the aftermath of this I might be salty about, the killing of Yaya Sinwar. Let's get to it. This is an earth-shattering announcement from the Israeli military confirming that Yahya Sinwar Hamas's leader, the mastermind of the October 7th attacks, has indeed been killed by the Israeli military in Gaza.

His body has now been brought back to Israel and the DNA testing confirming beyond the shadow of a doubt that it was indeed Sinwar. All right, great news for Israel, something that they claim that they've been wanting. to do since the beginning of this war, they have now officially killed Yaya Sinwar, the military leader of Hamas and the architect of October 7th, the massacres that were carried out in Israel. He's been killed by IDF forces in Gaza. And now the real question that remains is, will the death of Yaya Sinwar finally lead to a ceasefire and end to this war? What comes next? You're gonna have to stick around for that. But before we do get to that portion of this story, let's get into who Yaya Sinwar is, what happened, how he was killed. Go ahead,

Jank, concise statement, let's get back. Okay, so no more excuses. Everyone that did October 7th attack is dead. He was the main architect, Sinwar was of October 7th, he's dead. Hamas is obliterated. If they continue past this, you'll know with absolute certainty that it had nothing to with self-defense. It was always about the land. But we'll get. to that as well. Yep. Back to you. Okay, so if you're unfamiliar with him, he was actually imprisoned in an Israeli prison until he was released in 2011. The reason why he was released is there was a prisoner swap type situation, but it turns out that his killing may have been a total fluke. So here's an explanation of what ended up happening.

images of what appeared then to be a dead man curled up in a pile of rubble and with a deep gash across the top of his head the IDF then released a statement about an hour later saying that during operations in the Gaza Strip they killed three terrorists and then they started checking the possibility that one of them was in fact Yaya Sinwar tests were run on his DNA his fingerprints were checked because Israel has those records from the time Sinwar spent in prison and now Interestingly, local Israeli media are reporting that Sinoa's killing may actually have been by chance that Israeli troops were clearing the area, saw these three people fired on them, and only when they went to inspect their bodies, did they think that one of the men looked like Yaya Sinoir, and now we get that confirmation that it was. So this wasn't a targeted killing. It seems that, you know, when you're doing aerial bombardments and leveling every single. building that you can possibly find in Gaza, you're going to end up killing Yaya Sinwar eventually, and that appears to be the case here. Now, there are celebrations in Israel over this for obvious reasons, but also because of the fact that some of the family members who are hoping to get the hostages back, think that maybe this will usher in some peace, the ability to actually implement a ceasefire and get the hostages back home. Palestinians and Gaza,

alike are obviously excited about this too because they think maybe this will usher in a new era of peace. But I don't know if that's really going to be the case. The mother of one of the hostages and one of the most vocal advocates for a hostage deal put out a video statement addressing Netanyahu in which she says, don't bury the hostages. You have your victory image. Now bring a deal. Kamala Harris also spoke today and expressed hope that this would end the war. Israel has a right to defend itself, and the threat Hamas poses to Israel must be eliminated. Today, there is clear progress toward that goal.

Hamas is decimated, and its leadership is eliminated. This moment gives us an opportunity to finally end the war in Gaza. And it must end such that Israel is secure. The hostages are released. The suffering in Gaza ends. And the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self-determination. And it is time for the day after to begin without Hamas in power. That was her statement. President Joe Biden says he will be speaking soon with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss the pathway for bringing the hostages home to their families and for ending this war, yada, yada, yada, yada. I'm sure he's going to be super effective in that. Who cares about what Biden has to say? He's been a complete and utter failure in regard to implementing a ceasefire deal and ensuring that there's peace in the Middle East. Let's actually go to the Israeli officials who are already suggesting that they have

no intention of stopping the war. Take a look. Today, evil has suffered a heavy blow, but the task before us is not yet complete. To the dear families of the hostages, I say, this is an important moment in the war. We will continue with all our strength until the return home of all of your loved ones, who are our loved ones. This is our highest commitment. This is my highest commitment. All right. So I have more evidence of Israeli officials basically saying that they're going to continue on with this war.

But, Jank, I mean, did you think it was going to be a different outcome? There is one piece of hope here. So I'm going to get to that hope in a second. And it's a very realistic one based on practical considerations. But first, let's just discuss the context of this. So first of all, the ISMWR's elite architect is we all on. understand of October 7th. So is Israel justified in going after him and killing him? Of course. So that's how this works. So they did it. They got him. They also got every other

leader of Hamas. So in terms of Hamas, it's over. And so how about a hostage deal? Because that's still outstanding. Well, Hamas has agreed to a hostage deal since July 2nd. It's Israel who hasn't agreed. And so in fact, Israel had agreed and Hamas accepted their terms. and then Israel reneged on it. So that's super relevant for what's going to happen next because the American press originally reported it correctly, the American administration did, that it was Israel that backed out and Hamas has been in favor of a ceasefire deal

ever since, right? So for a long, long time here. So if Israel wants it, they can have a ceasefire deal tomorrow, get all the hostages back. And they killed all the leadership of Hamas. No excuses left, right? So now we're going to find out who they are. what they're going to do because there are no, since there are no excuses left, was it about

land or did you want to get the house or just back, okay, you're about to get, you can get them back tomorrow, did you want to take out Hamas, did you want to do vengeance and just, and revenge, etc. By the way, at this point, you've gotten all of it. Not only did you get all of Hamas's leadership, but you've gotten your revenge, you've gotten your vengeance, you've leveled Gaza, etc. The only thing left is to take land. So that's the big question at hand. So now, when you look at Kamala Harris's video, part of it is absurd, but you might not know it. She says, oh, this is a great opportunity.

I go, yeah, I agree. And, you know, now we can turn to making a peace deal with the Palestinians, et cetera, as if she cares about that and thinks that's realistic. But she knows she's the vice president that there's not a single major Israeli leader that is in favor of the two-state solution anymore. The Israeli cabinet overwhelmingly voted saying that they will never give the Palestinians a state. They are denying them their right to exist. And any leader that says it drops in the polls and the major challenger to Netanyahu thinks that they should expand more and does

not believe in giving the Palestinians a state. So there is no actual long-term answer here, Kamala Harris. As with to be fair to her, almost every single American politician lying about that. Okay, so now, what is the interesting political opportunity here that I mentioned? Well, look, if you start talking about, oh, like, oh, people who want to do the right thing, Kamala Harris Netanyahu Trump like none of that is that's like children talking that way so the only thing that can move things here is Netanyahu's political interest but now his political interest has at least a chance of moving why because if he now does the hostage deal that he could have done any given day and then he could say I killed everyone in Hamas

and I got all of the hostages back and now I'm moderate Right? Because before the Israeli population is going more and more to the right, if he doesn't get any part of the job done, the right wing's going to say, oh, he's not vicious enough, he's not fascist enough. We have to kill more and more vengeance, et cetera. But now that he can claim credibly that he got the job done, he can then say, look, I'm now moderating and maybe pass enough Tali Bennett in popularity and actually win an election. So you have to focus on what, Netanyahu's interest is, because that outweighs all of Israel's interests, all of American interests, and obviously they don't even think the Palestinians are humans have that cabinet. So, so that's why we have an interesting opportunity here. But if Netanyahu says, okay, no, let's go get more land and they start built setting in settlers to Gaza, that means this whole thing was to steal land all along. After it was confirmed that Sinwar had been killed, Netanyahu said, now it is clear to everyone in Israel and in the world why we insisted on not ending the war.

Benny Gantz, who is considered a more liberal political rival of Netanyahu's, wrote on X, the mission is not over and that the IDF will continue to operate in the Gaza Strip for years to come. Israel must take advantage of Sinwar's death to bring back the hostages and replace Hamas's rule he added. I should also note that there are groups that are already planning events where, you know, at least a third of the members of the Lakud party will attend. And it's all about resettling Gaza with Israeli settlers. So I- Okay, that's what the real intention is, Jank.

Okay, and Netanyahu is deeply. unpopular. There's no way his approval rating is going to rebound. He failed to keep his own people safe on October 7th. He has shown over and over again that he did not give a damn about the lives of those Israeli hostages in the Gaza Strip, continued doing aerial bombardments, continued essentially through his actions mocking the family members of the Israelis. Prior to that, there were mass protests in Israel over what he wanted to do in kneecapping the highest court in Israel because he wants to go unchecked like any good authoritarian would, Netanyahu's approval ratings are not going to rebound.

And what this has always been about, not just since the beginning of this war, but since the beginning of the establishment of Israel is to ensure that they have as much land in that region as humanly possible. They're going for Gaza, they're going for the West Bank. I mean, what's happening in Lebanon right now? Really. Is it really about going after Hezbollah? Really? Okay, so let me add to what Anna is saying and clarify something. So literally next

week, Lakud, that's Netanyahu's ruling party, is planning an event called, quote, preparing to settle Gaza. So they're already, and they're getting Israeli settlers, the most radical ones that don't mind violating international law, et cetera, and they're going to show them around Gaza, of their new property, okay? So now, we'll come back to that. So I'm the least idealistic person in terms of, oh, golly, gee, maybe the Israeli leadership will do the right thing. They have literal terrorists in their cabinet.

I mean, I think their entire cabinet is terrorist. They've killed 40 times the number of innocent civilians that Yaya Senwar did. That's an uncomfortable fact, but it is a fact. But Ben Gavir was convicted of supporting terrorism, even when. within Israel. Yeah, exactly. Think about that. He encouraged the assassination of Yusak Rabin, the former Israeli prime minister. So he doesn't mind killing Israelis at all if they disagree with him, let alone Palestinians and convicted of it. So all right, now that leads to point number two. Now, what Israel had done was they had killed anyone that could be considered

within a million miles of moderate inside Hezbollah and Hamas. The guy who really wanted to do a ceasefire deal the most inside Hamas was Ismail Honey. They went out of their way to to kill him in the capital of Iran, okay, which was unprecedented and was shocking and didn't tell America about it. But the one guy they kept alive, and by the way, Hassan Nasrallah, who was ahead of Hezbollah, had also agreed to a ceasefire the deal the day before they killed him. And so all that they said was just a coincidence. But the one guy that they magically kept alive was Yaya Senwar.

And today, how they got him is so instructive and interesting. Because it was a bunch of trainees that accidentally stumbled across Sinwar and killed him. And it's funny how they emphasized it, but the framing it is also hilarious. New York Times had an article about Israeli intelligence, which is incredibly sophisticated, and has proven that they're the best in the world by a lot, couldn't find Sinwar at all all this time. But a bunch of trainees having to stumble over him and kill him. Do you think maybe they weren't trying to find him so that they would have a remaining excuse to continue to destroy Gaza and take northern Gaza for themselves after they are doing what is

literally called the surrender or starve strategy in northern Gaza? They haven't let food in since the beginning of the month. So they're actively starving those people to death as we speak. So, oh, look, the most radical guy, the guy who planned October 7th is the one that's still alive. Damn it, you trainees, you it's not supposed to kill him. All right, anyway, so no, or you can take the New York Times story. Wow, what an unbelievable coincidence. And so it just happened to me that it was the trainees.

So, all right, you can believe whatever you want about that. That's okay, because what happens next is the most important part. If they continue with this line of, oh, are you out, okay, everyone in Hamas' leadership is dead, everyone who planned October 7th is dead, almost everyone in Gaza is. But okay, okay, now our new standard is everyone in Hamas, not just their leadership, every one of them has to die. How do we know when they're all dead? Or they all have to surrender to.

How do we know when they all surrendered? How do we know that? These are purposely impossible standards. Because even if, let's say, 12,000 people came out today in Gaza and raised their hands and said, yeah, we're Hamas, we surrender, you can just kill us all, okay? And here are the hostages. They would say, we don't know. We don't know.

Maybe there's more. Maybe that was a trick. In fact, today they started immediately declaring the new, not Hamas, Israel and America started declaring the new leaders of Hamas. Oh, look at this. They have new leaders. We killed them and they have new leaders. Oh, we got to keep killing them.

We have to keep killing. By the way, though, are they really? So this day is a good day. They actually killed one of the leaders of Hamas. But at the same time, at a different place, they also killed 24 people. inside a refugee camp and a school. Totally innocent. Again, burned to death, et cetera. Bomb dropped on their heads. But no one cares. No one cares. Israel's war machine continues to level everything in its path. Not the bug, it's the feature. Yeah. So if Israel says, hey, you know what?

We're done in Gaza. Got the hostages back, do a deal, withdraw from southern Lebanon. Okay, guys, then, hey, it was vicious, it was awful. It was one of the worst war crimes we've ever seen in our lifetimes, it was a genocide, but it's over. And it turns out they weren't grabbing land. They have that opportunity right now. But now after they've killed everyone in sight and they accomplished all their missions, if they say, no, we're going to put settlers in Gaza and we're not leaving southern Lebanon and would like to start a giant war with Iran, then you know, they have always been the aggressors. This was always about land. And every other thing was a lie. Yeah, I've known that, and I think most people who have been paying close attention know that.

And the real question is, once it becomes abundantly clear to everyone and it's impossible to deny, what does the U.S. do? What's the U.S. policy? Are there any consequences for that? There won't be. No, there won't. So what do you always say about absolute power? What does absolute power do? It corrupts absolutely. Right. So they'll continue. Well, my only hope is that Netanyahu thinks that it's in his self-interest not to.

But if Netanyahu decides it is in his self-interest to continue to slaughter nearby Arabs and invade nearby countries, then America will finance that till the cows come home. So there is nothing that Netanyahu can do that is, you know, atrocious enough, illegal enough, aggressive, imperialistic, colonialistic enough, sick, immoral enough, that America would say, we're going to pull a dollar. Never, ever, ever, until there's a populist revolt in America. That's your only hope. They have killed hundreds of UN workers. They have killed hundreds of journalists. They have shot children in the head and chest, children as young as five, according to American doctors who donated their time and risk their lives to provide medical care in Gaza.

All of this has been going on for over a year. And the Biden administration, the White House, full of the decent Democrats, the wonderful, decent, kind-hearted Democrats, have only enabled this over and over and over again. No situation in politics, no war has blackpilled me on the United States. the Democratic Party more than this. This is Biden's legacy. He should revel in it. Just so you're wondering why Anna is saying that and why it's true. And why she might, there's a poll out saying she might gain four points nationally if she says, well, not we're pulling the funding, but we're threatening to pull the funding if you don't get to a ceasefire.

Jay Street has given her six million, Apex given her five million. And they both say never, ever touch the money, okay? Israel gets the money no matter what they do, period. And if you think that isn't bribery and that isn't corruption, you're just kidding yourself. You believe pretty little lies. Meanwhile, other people are bribing Trump for the same exact results. We'll talk a little more about that settler event in Gaza when we come back from the break. Don't miss it. All right back on TYT, Jankana, Vicki Gray, Vicki, thank you for reading that beautiful join button below. We appreciate you. Sam, Monica, gifted five beautiful memberships on YouTube. We appreciate you. Guys, tyt.com slash 2024. We are in some degree of, you know, we

got issues here. We do. So if you can help, we're trying to raise 100,000 by the election, God help us. So t-y-t.com slash 2024, we would deeply appreciate it. All right, Anna. Well, let's talk a little bit about an invitation that members of the Lakud party have been sent, a lot of them accepted. Benjamin Netanyahu's Lakud government has been invited to an event titled Preparing to Settle Gaza in Gaza. Now, the event will take place next week, and ministers that have already committed to attending include all your favorite terrorists like Idemar Ben-Govir, Basilel Smotrich, others include Amikai, Eliahu, and Yitzhak Wasoloff.

Now, the event, according to Haretz, an Israeli paper, will feature the construction of a Succa as part of a city of Succas, or Succas, I should say, initiative by the Nacala movement, which is known for establishing illegal outposts in the West Bank. Now they'd like to establish illegal outposts in Gaza. And there's the Israeli cabinet helping them get there. Yep, that's exactly right. So this is, again, a movement that's, Basically, the Nikala movement stated that the event is not just a theoretical conference,

okay, but a practical exercise and preparation for renewed settlement in Gaza. They're rubbing it in your face. They're not even trying to hide it. Okay, no one's trying to hide it here. They're making it very clear what they intend to do. Now, back in January, Nikola started advocating for encouraging voluntary emigration of Palestinians out of the strip. I'm going to pause on this story for a second to inform you all that,

Currently, Israel is not allowing any injured or severely wounded Palestinians to leave the Gaza strip to get any medical care. After they took control of the Rafa border, that's the border between Gaza and Egypt. Israelis decided we're not going to let anyone leave now. And they're also continuing with their aerial bombardments and military operations, killing more and more people. It's just really interesting, Jank, that if they want, they always say whenever you see some official, whether it's a military official or government official from Israel on television,

whenever they're confronted about the fact that they've slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent people, including children, they always say, oh, every civilian death is a tragedy. It is a tragedy. They really do find it tragic, which is why when they have severely wounded civilians, including children, wanting to leave to get medical care in Egypt, they block them from doing so. Because, you know, every civilian death, according to the Israeli government, a real tragedy. So how does it help Hamas to let a child who's critically injured out so they can survive and live? What are they going to bring back weapons?

What are they going to? But they're not even necessarily going to come back. I mean, you imagine that they would, but them leaving, they're very active leaving. How does that hurt Israel, other than the fact that, oh, a Palestinian state alive? I mean, that's a Palestinian child, one more dead. And they, I guess they feel, I mean, this is not me. It's their decisions. They're not letting them out.

They're starving them now in northern Gaza. They haven't allowed food in since October 1st. So why did they want the Palestinian children dead? So you tell me, because I know the excuses. The excuses are, yeah, Hamas is using civilian shields. All of Hamas's leaders are dead. Still, still, still, still, still. But in the original bombing, the hostages that were released earlier said they were scared

of death, they were going to get killed. And you didn't get any of the Hamas leaders when you wiped out 10, 20, 30,000 in the beginning. So the great majority of the people that were killed are women and children. So what? No, no, no, they had it coming. It's our self-defense. Yeah. But wait, how is settling Gaza with a,

illegal settlements with religious fanatics, part of your self-defense. Sorry, Anna, one more thing about that, and we'll talk more about it. But if you really believe that settling Gaza or taking southern Lebanon or taking more land in the West Bank, which is currently happening, is somehow part of your self-defense? No, you're a liar, and you don't think that at all. You think, I want more land, and I'll do anything to get it. And I'll use any excuse, it doesn't matter, dumbass American politicians and media will just repeat it and go, they had to do it in self-defense and kill all those kids

because they were human shields. It's all Hamas's fault. It's all the Arabs' fault. If they just would get, understand that we get to have their land and they get to get killed, you see how they're the terrorists. So, okay, you can tell yourself any outrageous lie you want. But the rest of the world sees these atrocities. And now you move those guys in and everybody knows Israel's a bunch of thieves.

You can't say that. Well, if you steal the land, what are you? So they haven't done it yet. They don't have to do it. I hope to God they don't do it because I'm still such a sucker. I hope for a safe Israel and a safe Palestine, two states that live in peace, right? So Israel, you're going to make the choice now. You move on those settlers and the whole world knows you were just stealing the land.

and never defending yourself, it was always a lie to kill more Palestinians and take more land. It's not my choice and they, and no one's made it yet, it's Israel's choice. So let's see what they do going forward. So back in January, Nikola stated or started their advocacy in building settlements in Gaza. And they put out all sorts of statements. And I think the statement is telling. The movement added that the return to settlement in Gaza is no longer just an idea, but a process that is already in advanced stages with government and public support. Now, several members of the Lakud Party have confirmed to Heretz that they do plan to attend,

though Beebe has alleged, no, no, no, we never intended to take land in Gaza. That was never the intention. He lied to the Israeli people. He lied to the American people. He lied to Jake Tapper, a huge fan of his, during an interview on live television. Here's a reminder of that. I want a civilian administration that is run by Gazans who are neither Hamas nor committed to our destruction. So you're taking it off the table.

The third thing that we need to do is, no, I'm not. I'm putting it on the table. On the contrary, no, that's not true. I'm saying you're taking off an Israeli occupation of Gaza. of Gaza, you're taking off the table on Israeli. If you mean resettling, if you mean resettling Gaza, yeah, it was never in the cards, and I said so openly, and some of my constituents are not happy about it, but that's my position. At least 10 Lakud members do plan to attend, 10 out of the 32 lawmakers from Prime Minister

Benjamin Netanyahu's Lakud party, including a cabinet minister announced on Wednesday that they will be participating in this conference that's all about building illegal settlements in Gaza, which Jake, why do you think they leveled Gaza? 85% of the buildings gone, gone, houses, schools, universities, hospitals, gone. Okay, yes, part of the reason why they did it, get rid of as many people as humanly possible. But the other reason why they did it is because they want to build their own settlements there. They leveled it for a reason, okay? It was, anyway, you have Hamas militants in the tunnels, you want to get the Hamas militants,

you don't do it by bombing literally every building you can possibly bomb. Yeah, so guys, there's two alternate theories here, and we're going to find out which one is which. And again, no one but Israel gets to make this decision. They have the ultimate power. First, let me explain one thing that Anna is alluding to. You know, they said there, well, they think some of the Palestinians might be voluntarily leaving northern Gaza. Well, currently they're doing a strategy called surrender or starve.

And they're saying, well, if you stay in northern Gaza, we're either going to bomb you or we're going to starve you to death, so you should move. And if you starve to death, we told you to move. We told you we were going to starve you and murder you. And you didn't move. But at the same time, they say they're voluntarily leaving. I mean, come on, come on. You'd have to be so stupid as to be a cable news anchor in America to believe an outrageous lie like that.

So is it voluntary that they're leaving? Or are you starving them and bombing them to death so that they'll leave northern Gaza, which you have turned into a parking lot, which would be a perfect place to build new settlements now that it's completely empty after your genocide and ethnic cleansing? So which one is it? I'm not making that decision, Israelis. And will American media be honest with you? No, they'll move the goal post immediately. The minute they start moving those settlers in, in the beginning they'll huff and puff and

go, oh, this is not what they said. And this is really problematic. Jake Tapper will even probably take that video and say, oh, then, Yahoo, didn't say, they're still very aggrieved. And later they'll say, oh, they have a right to defend themselves. They had to do it. They had to do it. We have to send them 40 million, 40 billion, 80 billion, et cetera.

There's nothing that Israel can do that is evil enough for American media and American politicians not to help them do it. So, but they can go in the other direction and not settle it. Netanyahu could be telling the truth and that's great. And so will I say if I, if they don't go into Gaza and they get out of southern Lebanon and they don't take any land, I will say to you guys without any hesitation, as I've said a hundred times, a genocide, one of the worst war crimes and atrocities of my life. But hey, they didn't take land and they got to a ceasefire and they ended it. And so for all the people who were super nervous about them taking land, including us,

which will lead to a much, much larger war and endless war, thank God they didn't do it. Will everyone else in media, if they do take the land and move the settlers in, come out and apologize to their audience and go, we were sorry, it turns out the Israeli government is full of liars, terrorists, and thieves. We were just mouthpieces for the Israeli government and regurgitated their propaganda and lied to our audiences and refused to do even a little bit of an investigation. to see if they meant what they were saying, if they were being honest about what they were saying. I mean, that's all they've done. They were stenographers for the Israeli government.

It is pathetic. Our government is a government that represents Israel's best interests before the best interests of the American people and before the best interest of that entire region. Yeah. Okay? I just don't understand anyone who is an American who has morals, who believes in our system of government what it's supposed to represent supporting what is going on in the Middle East right now. I don't understand how anyone could. Well, yeah. Look, I don't know for sure because this is a thought experiment, right? But I would like to believe that if Armenia was carrying out the atrocities that Israel is carrying out right now, I would be mortified.

Mortified, I wouldn't come on this show to defend atrocities only because, oh, my precious identity, I'm an Armenian, so if Armenians are committing atrocities, I'm going to provide cover for them? Yeah, well. I don't get it, man. I really don't. I really don't. I don't get how people who were horrified by the atrocities that were committed on October

7th could then turn around and watch similar atrocities be carried out by these. The Israeli government by the IDF and say, no, no, we have to do this. This is for our safety. Children with bullet holes in their skulls as young as five years old, five years old. We had to do it, we had to do it. No, you know those five year olds, those five year olds can get real dangerous. No, no, no, the Israeli government is dangerous. Okay, it is a destabilizing presence in the Middle East right now.

Let's keep it 100, that is the truth. asking for bare minimum decency. If anyone said five-year-old Jewish kids deserve to be shot in the head, we would fight them to the end of our lives. We would, that's anathema to everything that we stand for. And we would protect our Jewish brothers and sisters to the end. So we're asking you, for God's sake, don't say it's okay to shoot Palestinian children in the head. It's not a tough ask. So I know, just like the Trump lunatics, they'll say, no, No, I, everything is fake news other than what Netanyahu and the terrorist Ben Gavir says. I only believe in the terrorist Ben Gavir and Smotrich.

So I, no, I won't, I don't believe the New York Times. I don't believe American doctors. I don't believe all the journalists that reported from there, from Fox News to CNN. And by the way, I don't, the journalists that were murdered there by Israel, they had it coming, there were human shields, whatever. So let's get to the very last talking point here. Israel's right to exist. So this is apparently breaking news to a lot of people.

Israel does exist. It already exists. Palestine does not exist. And so the Israeli cabinet, this is why we talk about how mainstream media reporters and anchors are almost all liars. The Israeli cabinet already voted on this recently. And they said they will never allow a Palestinian state. So who is blocking who's right to exist? Did you ever hear Jake Tapper and Dana Bash or whoever else?

Tony Docapul or whatever dopey he is. But it doesn't matter really any anchor on television. Come out and tell you, oh my God, shocking news. Israeli cabinet votes to deny Palestinians a state forever. Turns out they were lying all along and they just want to keep the occupation and take more Palestinian land. Did you guys report that? Oh, none of you reported it. Oh, that's interesting.

None of you made a big deal out of it. But the minute that anybody does anything about Israel, they have a right to exist, you're trying to take away their right to exist. Nobody's trying to take their right to exist away, at least not here, not in rational conversations, but you are taking the Palestinians right to exist away. And no one in America cares. The media doesn't care. They're like, God, they're just Arabs. Who cares? But Israel, where's our next talking point?

And all the politicians are, of course, all 100% corrupt. If you don't know, there's regular Zionism, and you could have massive issues and debates about that, then there is revision. of Zionism and religious Zionism. Revision of Zionism is take all their land. Take Jordan, take the West Bank, take Gaza Strip, take it all because we want more land. That is Netanyahu's dad was a giant advocate of that. It appears that Yahoo is a huge advocate of it. And the religious Zionism is roughly, oh, God gave us the land.

We're the chosen people. We're in holy war. We'll kill all the Arabs, we'll kill all the Muslims and take their land because God gave it to us. Those two forces are enormously powerful in Israel. How many times did you hear it? You'll hear it in great podcasts like Ezra Klein, so thank you for talking about it. You'll hear it in places here and there. We still have some good journalists here in America.

But would you ever hear about it in cable news that a giant part of the electorate, including the leaders of Israel and the cabinet, are in favor of stealing Arab land, either because they're revisionist or religious Zionist. And they say it. They say it out loud. We're going to take their goddamn land and we're going to ethnically cleanse them. We're going to move them out. How come you never hear that?

Because our media and our politicians lie to you on purpose on behalf of Israel. I'm going to leave you with this because I want to tell you exactly what they're saying. They're saying it. They're saying it out loud. They're printing it in their flyers and their invitations. This is for the invitation that they're sending out there to build the settlements in Gaza. A year after the pogroms of October 7th, we will stand together, LACUD members, regional LACUD, branch chairs, MKs, and ministers to jointly declare that Gaza is ours forever.

A poster advertising the October 21st event read, victory is settlement. It is doable, added a message on a Gaza settlement WhatsApp channel where it announced the participation of nearly one third of the Lekud faction. Knesset members. So that is the reality of the situation. You're not going to hear that from the media here in the United States, but you're going to hear it from us. And I'm not going to hide it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. And I'm not going to come up with magical thinking to find some optimistic end to this war. There is no end to this war because Israel is backed by a military superpower that enables everything that Israel wants to do. So they will slaughter as many innocent

people as they want. They will shoot as many five-year-olds in the head as they want. It'll continue and it go on and on and on, and it's going to happen with the use of your tax dollars. We'll be back. and then some. Get your ticket to more with the new BMO ViPorter MasterCard and get up to $2,400 in value in your first 13 months. Terms and conditions apply. Visit BMO.com slash ViPorter to learn more.

All right, back on T.Y.J. and Anna with you guys, and SebMedic, thanks for joining. We appreciate it. Box wrote in a couple of times. A great member, we appreciate your box, and asked, well, how about the hostages? Brother, they could do the hostage deal today. Hamas already agreed to it on July 2nd. The only reason why Israel is hesitating is because the original deal, which they proposed,

did not have any occupation. And they changed their mind and decided they want to occupy southern and central Gaza. Just take that away. You have the hostages immediately. And this whole thing is over. So, you know, those are the actual facts of the situation. All right, Anna. All right, let's get to our next story.

Do you really believe that these people are eating the people's pets? And eating other things too. This is where we are. This is our election. Welcome to America. An undecided Latino voter, who's actually a longtime registered Republican, asked Donald Trump about some of his rhetoric in regard to, immigration and specifically the Haitian community in Springfield, Ohio.

This was during a Univision town hall. Now, Trump's response didn't inspire any confidence that his divisive rhetoric is going to change anytime soon. We're going to get to his answer in a second. But first, let me read the question that was asked by the undecided voter. He asks, the authorities in Springfield, Ohio, more than one time clarified that the Haitians are not eating their cats and their dogs. Nonetheless, you want to revoke the permanent, basically the visa, they have to legally

reside in the country. Do you really believe that these people are eating the people's pets? Now, here is how Donald Trump responded. This was just reported. I was just saying what was reported. That's been reported. And eating other things, too, that they're not supposed to be. But this is all I do is report.

I have not, I was there, I'm going to be there, and we're going to take a look, and I'll give you a full report what I do. But that's been in the newspapers and reported pretty broadly. He's just a reporter, guys. He's just a reporter. I mean, he heard reports, and then he repeats the reports. He doesn't look into it. He doesn't question anything that, you know, might sound a little outlandish. because if he has an opportunity to demagogue and engage in incredibly gross, inaccurate,

false, hateful rhetoric that's going to direct hatred toward innocent people who, by the way, are not in the country illegally. These are Haitian migrants who have temporary protected status. Okay, the United States government implemented the protected status for Haitians after there was a devastating earthquake in Haiti. And after, you know, some of our foreign policy kind of destroyed their country as well. And the idea that they're being demonized like this, and he just won't stop. He won't stop. Later in his answer, he brings up, like, relevant points. And if he had started with that, I would be fine with it, right? If he didn't go as low as making up these dumb stories, hateful stories that direct hatred toward innocent people,

I'd be fine with it. But he can't do it, Shank. He has to go this low and he has to continue. He never apologizes, he never recalibrates, he continues on with the garbage. And I can't stand it. Yeah, so there's two things in that answer and even in the question that are so important the substance of this issue and I want to come back to them in a second. But guys, what are we doing here? I mean, I watched Kamala Harris interview on Fox News and she was relatively smooth. She didn't answer a couple of the questions that really annoyed me that she didn't answer

some of those questions, but then you turn to Trump and he's like an escape mental patient, right? And he's like, they're eating the cats, the dogs. They say the dogs are hot, but I don't know. Now they're eating other things like the tuna and the salmon. And I hear the Japanese are joining them. They're eating the tuna and the salmon too. They're calling it sushi, okay? And then they're taking the chicken and they're eating it raw. They're eating it raw. It's disgusting. It's crazy. We've got to kick them out of here, okay? They don't even cook it. And they take the pigs and the cows and they even eat them. And they put them together and they call it a ham burger.

It's crazy. It is crazy. Sometimes they bury the pig to roast it in the dirt. Those are Hawaiians. We're kicking them out. Sir, they're Americans. I don't care. I don't care because I just escaped.

And this feels like freedom to me. Thank God I got that white coat off of me. Okay, so look, should you vote for the mental patient? I don't know. I say put them back in. But anyways, oh, they're trying to imprison. No, no, no. It's an analogy.

All right, anyways. And he's just reporting it, guys. He's just reporting it. Every reporter has said it's not true. Every Republican in the area, the mayor, et cetera, have said it's not true. So why are you still reporting things that are untrue? That's because you're lying. We have a word for it.

Lying. Exactly. I'm saying it like Trump so you can understand it. Okay. So, oh, go ahead, Jake. Did you have something else? Yeah, I wanted to get to the substance of it. Yeah, so the second half of his response to this.

Again, Republican voter who's probably undecided in this election because he doesn't like the divisive crap that Trump is saying, right? But in the second half of his answer, he brings up some of the legitimate concerns, right? It's not demonizing the migrants, but there is a problem when you have a massive influx of people coming into a small town without the federal government providing the support that the town needs. That is a legitimate concern. So let's hear what Trump had to say. As far as Springfield is concerned, because I do know that situation. You have a city of 52,000 people, and they've added almost 30,000 migrants into the city. If you were a person that lived there, if you lived in Springfield, Ohio, and all of a sudden, you couldn't get into a hospital, you couldn't get your children into a school, you wouldn't be able to buy groceries, you could no longer pay the rent because the government's paying rent.

any of that if any of that happened it would be a disaster for you and you wouldn't be happy we want to make our people safe and secure and we want to make them happy but springfield ohires a perfect example you have a town a beautiful little town with no problems all of a sudden they have 30 or 32 thousand people dropped into the town okay so is it a little under 30,000 is it 30 to 32,000? Like, notice that the numbers change. And let's actually put it side by side. Let's take a look at the next video. You have a city of 52,000 people, and they've added almost 30,000 migrants into the city. You have a town, a beautiful little town with no problems. All of a sudden, they have 30 or 32,000

people dropped into the town. Okay, interesting. Well, prior to this, the number was lower. when he was speaking about it. Let's take a look at that. In Springfield, Ohio, 20,000 illegal Haitian migrants have descended upon a town of 58,000 people destroying their way of life. They've destroyed the place. So notice how in the town hall, he exaggerates the number of Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio,

because it doesn't matter. The facts don't really matter. This is an issue that he doesn't really seem all that interested in learning about and finding solutions for. It is a campaign issue for him. It worked for him in 2016. He's hoping it's going to work for him now. And in the meantime, you have both migrants who are struggling and you have communities

that are struggling. I actually do care about the people in Springfield, Ohio. I do think that it is difficult for a small town to take in a massive influx of migrants without help from the federal government. But we never find solutions to immigration because if we're all being honest, not a single politician actually cares about solving the issue once and for all. Not a single politician wants to reform immigration. A lot of these Republicans who purport to care so much about this issue are taking

bribes, legal bribes from their campaign donors who do not want anything to be done about immigration because they love exploiting that cheap labor that they can pay. even lower than minimum wage because they don't have the ability to go complain about it to the authorities. That's what the reality of this situation really is. And it disgusts me that whenever the campaigns start, this type of gross rhetoric demonizing innocent people pops up. I don't like it. It's divisive and it is not helpful at all in terms of finding solutions for any problems we might have. Okay, so he said illegal Haitian immigrants. But as the questioner pointed out, they actually do have legal status.

So that's a fact, that's not arguable. So Trump's proposal, so actually before you explain Trump's proposal, Anna's proposal you just heard, which is, hey, if the federal government is going to put 20,000 immigrants in a town of 58,000, let's take Trump's original numbers, right? That's still a big number, and the federal government should help that town adjust. Otherwise, yeah, you're going to have some issues, right? Of course. And so that's a reasonable position to take.

That's a position I hope all of us take so that it's not all on the residence of Springfield, right? Now, Trump's position is not that. Trump's position is take away their legal status. And that was the exact question that that gentleman asked. He said, you told, say this conspiracy story about the pets and the being eaten. And then you said, so I'm going to take away their legal status. Are you really going to take away their legal status? And that's actually a really important question for a lot of people that live in this country.

Because a lot of people have green cards and temporary legal residents and they haven't done anything wrong. They're not illegal at all, right? But and people have family members that are in that category. And Trump is now saying, if I make up a story that isn't even true at all and use that story, I could take away your legal rights. Well, that's concerning. I mean, that guy's a lifelong Republican that asked the question, but he's concerned about that, right? And that is a very legitimate concern.

And Trump is saying, yeah, that's what I'm going to do. You got legal rights? I don't care at all. If you're an immigrant, I'm going to say you're illegal. I'm just going to strip you of your rights. And by the way, when he was in office the first time, yeah, he got checked by the establishment and they put some brakes on his car. But he had suggested, and Stephen Miller had suggested, well, even if you're already

a U.S. citizen, if you came from another country, are you really a citizen? So they're even thinking of taking birthright citizenship away. So this is not hyperbole. Stephen Miller suggested it. You could look it up. So what he's proposing is terrible. And if you actually care about immigration, which Anna does, I do, and so many people on the right and the left do, well, then why did this is the one thing Kamala Harris is definitely right about?

Why did he prevent the bill that everyone agrees to that an Oklahoma Republican wrote that actually is largely, it should be embarrassing to the Democrats, it's not only completely Republican bill, It's largely Trump's ideas. And he said, vote, no, I don't want the problem fixed because I want to use it in my campaign. He's a terrible guy who only thinks about himself. He doesn't care about the laws. He doesn't care about breaking the laws. He just cares about power.

And finally, the guy was using an interpreter just to be clear, right? He speaks Spanish better than he speaks English, the guy asking the question. And Trump in the middle of his crazed answer about how he's going to take away their legal status, et cetera. said, you know, it's terrible. A lot of people, they don't even speak the language and you can't talk to them. And then they have to bring in all these interpreters. It's terrible. The guy was using an interpreter for the question. Yeah, I'm sure he definitely persuaded the individual to vote for Trump in the election. I mean, it's just, look, it's amazing because I actually think it would be even more difficult to beat Donald Trump if he had a little bit of self-control,

but he doesn't have self-control. Oh my God, if he had self-control. He'd be up by 10, easy. I mean, first of all, if he had self control, he wanted to done January 6th and try to murder his own vice president and try to terminate the Constitution and send in an angry mob to attack our Capitol and we're still having a conference and the Democrats are still losing to him by a little bit right now. At best case scenario, they're tied right now to that guy and they don't, and the Democrats don't realize that they have a problem. They think everything's hunky door. No, they do think they have a problem. They think their problem is Jill Stein. Jesus Christ, guys, man.

Democrats do better. You should be blowing this guy out. He's an escape mental patient. And if you're tied with him, well, you've got to fix your own problems. Good luck to us in doing that because the establishment never, ever wants to do that. And Republicans, if you want to win an election, try someone not insane for a change. I know, a radical thought. But you'd win fairly easily in this context with a super weak Democratic Party.

When we come back for the second hour of the show, we'll talk a little bit about various prominent conservative figures in the media who are just perplexed that any woman would be concerned about reproductive rights. How could they be concerned about that one issue? We'll be right back. VIII. And... ...you know. ...that... ...you're going to...

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