The Young Turks - Senator Jeff Flake STUNS Everyone

Episode Date: September 29, 2018

During a shocking upset Senator Jeff Flake gave a surprising condition for his vote to support Brett Kavanaugh. Shortly after, Trump announced that an FBI investigation "limited in scope and time" wil...l take place into the credible claims. Get exclusive access to our best content. http://tyt.com/GETACCESS Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Hey everybody, John Iderola, Jank Uger, Helen Hongs back. Hi! Hi, hey, wait, wait, wait, don't tell me, you're back. Okay, so she's on there doing actual comedy and also does go back yourself. She's been in Inside Lewin Davis, Pretty Little Liars, Parsons, you get it, okay.
Starting point is 00:00:55 And a Kasparian is here in the second hour, second power panel. A bit of a loving legend, Ben Manquitz, just kidding, Tom Morello. Ben will also be here. But yes, Tom Morello will rage with us in the second hour, he's gonna be on the power panel. So that's fun for everybody. Also fun for everybody, I think the jury might have come in on Brett Kavanaugh. So now, in reality, no, no, I wish it was in reality, we're gonna give you a reality in a second.
Starting point is 00:01:28 But I believe we're going to show you a number of videos today where you guys can come probably to the same conclusion that I did. That the guy's a liar. Okay, so, now we've kept a very, very open mind throughout. I just want to look at some of those videos again with you guys and then see if you think he's credible. And I think that that gives us an insight into the kind of guy he is. But John made a good point, by the way.
Starting point is 00:01:57 Before I dropped it, I should have started with a little bit of here. Come to me on this one, a little bit of . . . No, that's not right. That's not right, that's not right, okay. Not right, that's fine. The anger is fine. Don't make fun of the crying. Okay, that's my line, for whatever it's worth, that's my line, okay. So, okay, but we have dramatic developments, so John, go.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Okay, we don't just have dramatic developments. We have too many dramatic developments. Things have been developing incredibly quickly since this morning. I think it's fair to say that we started the day thinking the Republicans are unabashed. They're just gonna push him through and it appeared that they had the votes because fairly early on today, Senator Jeff Lake said he would be voting in support of Kavanaugh. He was one of those votes on the Republican side that we thought, hey, maybe he will be convinced by Christine Blasey Ford's testimony and that appeared to be undercut by his statements
Starting point is 00:02:54 early this morning. Then dramatic news developed that he was actually interested in some sort of limited in scope in time FBI investigation being done. But at that point, it didn't mean that it was actually going to happen. But then things continue to develop, pressure was put on the Republicans. The Senate Judiciary Committee came out with a statement saying that they too would support this investigation. By the way, in the background, perhaps working towards this, you had the American Bar Association
Starting point is 00:03:21 pushing for a halt and an investigation. You had the Yale Dean of the Law School where he went pushing for an investigation and eventually Flake. And then you had Collins and Murkowski and Manchin coming out in support of that as well. And then we had, I guess, the person most responsible for actually having this, Donald Trump put out a statement saying, I've ordered the FBI to conduct a supplemental investigation to update Judge Kavanaugh's file. As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed it in less
Starting point is 00:03:50 than one week, which get used to those words, because in the future, if a Democrat's ever accused of anything, the investigation will be limited in scope and time, less than one week, perhaps. I think when they were pushing for all the Clinton investigations of the 90s, limited in scope is what they were stressing from the very beginning. But in any event, we are going to have at least some sort of investigation, and so what's your initial response? Do you expect this? Are you heartened by it?
Starting point is 00:04:16 Do you think that it might be setting us up for a defeat in a week? Yeah, so let's take it one at a time. First of all, yes, I'd like to note the hypocrisy for the record, and then we could move on. The Benghazi hearings were not limited in time. There was approximately 28 of them, okay? It's hyperbole, but not by much. I believe there might literally have been eight or nine Benghazi hearings.
Starting point is 00:04:39 And then Whitewater is a perfect example of not limited in scope. It was about a real estate deal in Arizona. By the time they were finished, they were talking about cigars, including Cabinor, who asked the raunchiest, most, like literally the dirtiest questions I've ever seen in public life. Camino thought we should approve into Clinton's sex life as literally as graphic as you could imagine. So interesting note of hypocrisy on that too.
Starting point is 00:05:07 And what no one ever remembers about the whitewater hearings against Bill Clinton was that at the end, cancelor, I was like, by the way, he didn't do it. Nothing wrong with the real estate deal at all. But on the other hand, we got them on sex. Those are the same guys now complaining about sex questions. Okay, now as to this investigation, it's what we wanted. We said a week, they give us a week. I don't know what limited in scope means.
Starting point is 00:05:30 That's very important. Does that mean only Christine Blasey Ford? Are they not allowed to talk to Debbie Ramirez? Are they not allowed to talk to Julie Swetnik? I would want them to do. I'm not positive about the last two because of some fact patterns that are unclear. For example, Swetnik says, hey, you know, Kavanaugh was there, was present during a situation where she was gang rape. I want the FBI asking, what does present mean?
Starting point is 00:05:58 I mean, did he participate? Did he not participate? I mean, that's a heavy charge of level on someone and say he's present and not clarified. So I hope it's not limited in that scope, but it might be. So as to whether it'll be a rubber stamp or a real investigation, well, I guess that's up to the FBI. I feel like this limited in scope thing is so annoying and it's not, you know, let me tell you, as with sex, the just-the-tip approach makes nobody happy. Right?
Starting point is 00:06:32 So the limited scope is not going to make the Republicans happy because it's still a one-week delay. And as we've heard from the hearings, Kavanaugh's bitching and moaning about how these past 10 days have been hell forever, another week, oh my God, I'm gonna die. So he's gonna be bitching about it, they're gonna be bitching about it. The Democrats are gonna be bitching if they are too limited in scope. So this just makes nobody happy. Yeah, I think that, I mean, I'm jaded enough to agree that it's likely that the limited in scope portion of that could undermine any good intentions that are coming from people like
Starting point is 00:07:06 Senator Jeff Blake. I'm worried that they might be using this as a way to hush Democrats up and also play this game and make it seem like they did their duty, their due diligence in this whole case. So the American people are convinced that the bad actors here are really the Democrats. But either way, I think it is important to at least see senators on the right finally accept that a further FBI investigation makes sense. So they keep mentioning how Kavanaugh's been investigated in the past. But here's the thing, sometimes you don't find what you don't know you're looking for, right?
Starting point is 00:07:45 And so now the FBI has a bunch of names that they should go to, people that they should go to and conduct a bunch of interviews, including Mark Judge, who finally today said that he would cooperate with any investigation. And I think he absolutely should, and I think the FBI needs to go to him directly. Yeah, yeah, there's been six background checks, and you know, this didn't come up. Okay, well, they didn't talk to her, so how would it have come up? They just stared at him across the table for a bit, and he bludders out, I tried to rape somebody. No, that didn't happen.
Starting point is 00:08:16 So, yeah, of course they didn't know about Christine Blasey Ford until she came forward. Now, one of the, it's ridiculous situation that we're in, where so many of the Republican senators, clearly were not going to be swayed by anything. It didn't matter what Christine Blasey Ford said. It didn't matter how enraged and emotional and hyperbolic Kavanaugh got. They weren't going to be affected by it. There was only a few that hypothetically might. Flake is one that we thought might be affected by that.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Now, as of right now, he's still going to vote for him, so perhaps not so much. But I am curious how Jeff Flake is thinking about this. So why don't we play the video of him initially requesting this investigation because it does actually have a reference to the scope thing in it. I've been speaking with a number of people on the other side. We've had conversations ongoing for a while with regard to. to making sure that we do due diligence here. And I think it would be proper to delay the floor vote for up to but not more than one week
Starting point is 00:09:13 in order to let the FBI continue to do an investigation limited in time and scope to the current allegations that are there and limit in time to no more than one week. And I will vote to advance the bill to the floor with that understanding. So he says there with the current allegations, well, there isn't just one current allegation. There are allegations, and that doesn't mean that he's going to be held to that. He doesn't, after all, he's not going to be setting up the investigation. And it's possible that Trump will say you will only talk to these four people or whatever, forget, Deborah Ramirez, forget all of that.
Starting point is 00:09:53 But he seems at least interested in possibly finding out a little bit more that's going on. I'm probably giving him too much credit. He's being so wishy-washy, even the way that he was saying, like, I would feel more comfortable if there was, like, what does that even mean? I think I know what it means. And I'm going to be a little bit more optimistic than you guys. So I think what it means is I hope Murkowski and Collins backed me on this, but I haven't had a chance to confirm it with them.
Starting point is 00:10:19 And it turns out later in the day, they're like, yeah, we're with Flake. We need a week-long investigation. So that's what he meant by, like, I hope we can kind of do this, right? Lisa, right, Susan, right? And he turns out he was right about that. And I also want to give him credit for his permanently concerned face. I know, yeah. As we'll get into a little bit later on the show, there might be a reason that at that particular
Starting point is 00:10:43 time that he's filming that he's got some concern floating around at his head. Yeah, I know, I know. But we'll talk about that in a bit. No, no, go back to John for a second, because I like how Flake is behind him. Concerned even about John. Okay, in that graphic. Okay, but he always looks like that to be fair. Okay, so now, why am I a little bit more optimistic?
Starting point is 00:11:02 So first of all, let's just acknowledge that they blinked because this is not the right time for them to say, okay, fine, FBI investigation. The right time would have been the minute Dick Durbin asked Kavanaugh instead of going, well, I mean, I don't know, really, FBI, I don't know if we should look into that. If Kavanaugh could have said, damn right, of course I want an FBI investigation to clear my name, that would have worked a lot better. Instead, he had to Hem and Haw again with Durbin, with Coons, with Kamala Harris. And so this, they did not play this well.
Starting point is 00:11:34 So they endured the political damage of seeming to not want an investigation, which kind of looks like a cover up, and then had to blink and say, oh, okay, investigation. So that's, it was not three dimensional chests, they lost on that issue, okay? Secondly, it's not like the FBI and Donald Trump are getting along great these days. So it's when Trump says, hey, FBI, okay, do a limited investigation in scope, the FBI would be like, remind me again what you said about us the other day in a tweet, right? Okay, all right, no, no, no, no, we got the investigation. Sit down, we got it, thank you for the authority, we appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:12:13 So now it doesn't quite work that way, it's different people within the FBI and they're not supposed to hold grudges and they probably don't. But I think it is fair to say that they have acted independently from the White House. So once you give them some authority, it'll be interesting to see how they conduct themselves. And then finally, even if they do throw the game and they're like, hey, look, we can seem neutral to Trump or unbiased by giving Trump and the Republicans what they want a BS investigation, at the end of the day, there is one other thing that the Republicans have to concern themselves with, and it's this, right?
Starting point is 00:12:48 Because if a week later, they come out and they're like, yeah, we looked into it. I mean, we talked to one or two people, and I mainly talked to Kavanaugh, and Kavanaugh says he didn't do it. Well, there's all of us. There's all the women across the country. There's all the people who are concerned across the country and go, that was your investigation? Okay, but we'll see you in November. So, and you think, well, okay, what do they care?
Starting point is 00:13:13 No, they do care, because they could lose a lot of those swing seats in Florida and so many other places, so, but it doesn't mean that they're not going to get, you know, a rush job where they go, well, FBI couldn't conclude, they couldn't conclude, what can we do? We've got to move on, we've got to vote. And that is entirely possible. One last wrinkle to this, which then goes back to pessimism, which is that they might think, we're going to lose the elections anyway. This is our last great hope to get an angry male on the court.
Starting point is 00:13:42 And boy, he's angry, and he hates the Democrats. So before we lose, let's get them on there. Yeah. You know, it's funny because all of this has been so hectic and crazy and there's been so many updates that I haven't really had a chance to sit and think about the statements regarding how limited this investigation will be, how it's a limited scope investigation. And now I'm just kind of angry. Like I'm glad they're going to be investigating, but are you kidding me right now?
Starting point is 00:14:09 Like there are allegations of rape involved. Limited in scope, what does that mean? No, not limited in scope. This is a serious crime. I know that he's not facing a criminal investigation yet, but right now we're talking about someone. We're talking about someone on the highest level of the U.S. justice system who could potentially be a rapist, and we're having conversations about let's do a limited scope investigation to suss out whether or not this guy should be a Supreme Court justice.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Get the hell out of here. These people are supposed to be representing us. The only role of the government is to protect its citizens. And we don't have that, okay? We have a bunch of elderly clowns, let's just keep it 100, running the Senate in Congress, not representing our best interests. And at the end of the day, what is it that they love about Kavanaugh so much that they're willing to sacrifice our safety to get him, you know, confirmed as a Supreme Court justice?
Starting point is 00:15:03 He's pro-corporate, okay? So I'm very curious what the corporate backers are doing behind the scenes to ensure that these Republican senators push him through as a Supreme Court justice as soon as possible. And by the way, so you mentioned the actual accusations of rape, or at least being there. That's what they're calling like the craziest. And it's the porn lawyer is talking about the gang rape accusations. Well, even that one, the craziest one that should be easiest to knock down. She says that Kavanaugh and Mark Judge were involved in these nonconsensual gang rapes.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Okay, well, Mark Judge's ex-girlfriend just came out and said that Mark Judge admitted to doing this. He denies that. But what did Julie Swetnik coordinate with one of his ex-girlfriend? friends from years ago back in college to put this up? Or did she just accidentally come up with a theory that one of his exes is willing to corroborate? I mean, what are the chances of that? That she just accidentally happened onto a crazy radical lie that also is confirmed by someone who knows Kavanaugh's best friend and drinking buddy. What's bugging me too is that everyone's jumping on the sweatnik accusation as being the most horrible one. But even Dr. Ford's
Starting point is 00:16:11 accusation alone, like, she thought she was going to die because he was covering her face and she couldn't breathe. And people are like, ah, it's just groping. Like, what does every, what teenage boy doesn't grope? It's like, are you out of your mind? If you're any man who has never covered a woman's mouth while trying to rip her clothes off to the point where she couldn't breathe, you should be enraged by this. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:16:35 And by the way, I just want to clarify one thing. When I mention elderly senators, I'm not saying that because I think, oh, they're older, so we shouldn't take them seriously. I'm saying that because a lot of them are from a different time. And when you hear phrases like make America great again, what does that include? It includes a time when American women or women in general in this country would just have to take it and shut up, okay? They had no justice on their side.
Starting point is 00:17:01 And so I feel like they're from a time where they don't understand the gravity of this situation and how much it affects women's lives. They're from a time when it was acceptable, when it wasn't that big of a deal. One last thing to give you a sense of who might be right and who might not, and let's just all hope that the FBI does a real investigation, in which case we might be closer to finding out, is that if I'm Kavanaugh and I think, or the Republicans, and I think the Swetnik allegations, that's the third woman, are outrageous and ridiculous, I think, please investigate because we'll be able to knock that one down really easily, and then we will go all
Starting point is 00:17:37 across the country. We knew it. We told you. We told you was all fake. Even if the other two are not fake, it would give them an ability to call everything fake if they could disprove one. Limited in scope. You should want to dive into the Swetnik allegations immediately to show how false they are, because you're saying they sound outrageous, right? Well, they go show how outrageous they are. And if it's false, then you're going to have a huge win on your side. I don't know why you would want to limit that. scope, unless you think Swetnik's right, her allegations about gang rape are right. Man, and if you think that, and you don't look into it, wow, wow, okay, but we'll see.
Starting point is 00:18:20 So guys, but bottom line is Anna's righteous anger is absolutely spot on, but we asked for a week long FBI investigation yesterday and we got one. So cross your fingers, the FBI is going to do it honestly, and that's our best hope. So let's see what they come out with. Yeah. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The-Republic, or UNFTR. As a Young Turks fan, you already know that the government,
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Starting point is 00:20:21 be honest. Instead, it seems now like it's being done against his will. But they did blink, and there are a couple of explanations for that. We'll get into several of them. Donald Trump, his response to this, I think it's fair to say, and you'll see the video, It's kind of changed a little bit since yesterday. Initially, coming out of the Kavanaugh testimony, he didn't even make any reference to Christine Blasey Ford.
Starting point is 00:20:43 He just said that what Kavanaugh said was strong. He put out like a single tweet, which is odd for Donald Trump, that he was very restrained in terms of talking about this. And then today comes, and we have a video. Donald Trump is, I believe, out of the country. I think he's in Chile, possibly. In any event, he's asked about this. And take a look at this video.
Starting point is 00:21:02 It's a little bit long. But he has multiple opportunities to do what he always does in communication, and you'll see that he passes up basically all of them. I'm just hearing a little bit about it because I've been with the president of Chile, and we're talking about some very important subjects. But I'm sure it will all be very good. I guess the vote was a positive vote, but there seems to be a delay. And what did you think is Dr. Ford's testimony when you heard that? I thought her testimony was very compelling, and she looks like a very fine woman to me. very fine woman and I thought that Brett's testimony likewise was one of the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something's off in your body but
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Starting point is 00:23:12 What's your message for Murkowski and colleagues in the whole house right now? I have no message. They have to do what they think is right. It is no message whatsoever. They have to do what they think is right. They have to be comfortable with themselves, and I'm sure that's what they are. Would you be willing to go to the bottom of the station, Canada? I'm going to rely on all of the people, including Senator Grassley, who's doing a very good job. That'll be a decision that they're going to make, and I suspect they'll be making some decision soon,
Starting point is 00:23:44 whether to take a vote or to do whatever else they want to do. I will be totally reliant on what Senator Grassley and the group decides to do. Look, there's a lot there. Now, he did say that he hasn't been thinking of any replacement. That's what you'd expect Trump to say. But aside from that, he says he doesn't know if they'll even end up having a vote. He's just going to defer to Grassley. He has no advice for him.
Starting point is 00:24:04 On Collins and Murkowski, no, they just have to do what they want to do. He said very positive things about Christine Blasey Ford. His defense of Kavanaugh was both hyperbolic in saying it's something we've never seen before, but he didn't say he convinced the nation that he didn't do this thing or anything like that. This seems like a very careful statement from a man who is almost never careful. Well, I mean, I feel like they inject him with a tranquilizer and it lasts for a little while. And once it wears off, believe me, we're all know about it. It'll probably be on later tonight, usually Friday nights he goes on crazy tirades or Saturday morning.
Starting point is 00:24:40 But obviously I'm joking about the tranquilizer, kind of. But the one other thing I want to add is like the way he's commenting about the testimony from both Kavanaugh and Dr. Blasey Ford, it's like he's thinking they're auditioning for one of his crappy reality shows. I was just thinking that. He's totally got like Apprentice producer head on, be like, it was incredible, it was great TV. I've never seen anything like it before. He cried. I mean, when do you see that?
Starting point is 00:25:07 Like. He did say that she seemed very credible, though. Yeah. She did. And look, she's been, like, I don't know if you guys watched any Fox News last night. They had one Ada Broderick on, and it was just designed to shred her, right-wing media. was like they came out of a Kavanaugh testimony, like tasting blood. They were ready to pounce on this thing.
Starting point is 00:25:25 And he talks with Sean Hannity most nights. Him being super careful is either three-dimensional chess, which seems even less likely than him being careful in his communication. Or maybe they're getting some internal polling. Maybe there was a focus group on the testimony. Maybe they're actually worried about this thing. Yeah. Or he's spoken with Collins and Mikowski and he thinks that they're questioning the actual vote.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Yeah. So first quick clarification, obviously he's in the U.S. He's in the White House. He happened to be talking to the leader of Chile. Now, onto the subset of it, I think that his aides must have done a great job of convincing him that if he talks against Dr. Blasey Ford at all, that it will cost them votes and he will lose power in the next two years. and they must have had overwhelming proof to get him to calm down and not attack her, which is his want, right? And then the second part of it might be that his aides convinced him, he really might not survive.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Like he, not just losing Collins and Murkowski to what we already know, but you're ordering an FBI investigation. There's some chance he did it. So don't get too far out there telling everybody how awesome he is and how terrible she is. Because in a week we might find out that it's the opposite. Now remember, McConnell, the Anna made this point, like almost a week ago was a great point. McConnell warned him, don't pick Kavanaugh, and he said, oh, it's because he has too many documents. Okay, no, no, that's not why.
Starting point is 00:26:57 I don't know why. Too many calendars. Yeah, too many calendars might be it. So there might have been another warning to Trump, hey, listen, we're not going to remember when we told you not to pick him, okay, this is why. So be cool, otherwise you're going to embarrass yourself, who's the only person Donald Trump whoever cares about himself. So, but you know what?
Starting point is 00:27:17 At the end of the day, I'll take it. Better restrained than non-restrained. Great. You might have been bitten by the Roy Moore thing too. And then the guy that was on his say, this is now like three or four strikes in that you're endorsing a guy who turned out to be an absolute piece of garbage. So like, pull your punches. Thank you for bringing up Roy Moore.
Starting point is 00:27:37 It's actually very important to the conversation because the day prior to the hearing taking place, Trump went on this crazy unhinged, hour and a half long press conference rant. And during that rant, he addressed Roy Moore, and you know what he said? He's like, I was a fan of Roy Moore, you know, I wasn't, but, you know, I would. So I think you might be right, I think he realized, oh, this kind of hurt us, maybe this wasn't a good way to go about it. He said he was more, he was a fan of Luther Strange. He's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Yeah. He's just, we all saw you, dude. We all saw you with our own eyes. It's unreal. Okay, we've got to take a break. By the way, so, you know, I always explain shopty.com if you want the shirts, this one. That one's a reference to Chris Rock that John is wearing. But also, if you're watching this on YouTube at some point, okay?
Starting point is 00:28:26 Down below, they got a new thing where you could just click on the shirts. That one is not available yet on YouTube. It's available at shopty.com. But this one, click, boom, done, over, go. All right, back on a young Turks, town to read member comments. Fort Costa Rica says kudos, TYT crew. How do you put up with a circus of news every day without losing it? I feel lucky looking in from the outside in Costa Rica and having my head explode.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Thank you for all you do. I mean, that's the state we're in, right? I've been to Costa Rica, it's a lovely country, but people in Costa Rica are going, thank God I don't live in America. Who says we haven't lost it? Costa Rica is the dream. Yeah. Do you know how people live there?
Starting point is 00:29:11 I just, I've been on all the Xanax, by the way, this whole week, just all the Xanax. Like, my monthly prescription of Xanax, I'm just, I'm done already. Like, I need a rethink right now. Just watching those hearings, I'm like, I need another one. It was hard. It was hard to see some of that stuff and some of the reaction from Republican lawmakers. But anyway. Graylock writes in, I think a one week investigation, quote unquote, just allows limited cover
Starting point is 00:29:40 for secure yes votes. Gray like that is enormously possible. So we just discussed it in the last segment. So it's possible that the FBI will do a real investigation. They'll find out things like Camino doesn't want him to find out. And then he's done. Or it's possible that one week's not enough. They don't find anything.
Starting point is 00:29:59 And then the Republicans go just because it wasn't long enough. Or, of course, it's possible they don't find anything because he didn't do it. But anyway, if it's the second scenario, the Republicans are like, no, we said a week. We said a week. We said a week. Ha ha! Got you. Inclusive.
Starting point is 00:30:15 They would love inconclusive. That's obviously what they're shooting for, but we'll see what the FBI comes out with. Okay. Last one from the member section, Monsus and Rainbow says, asking again, does the Senate have that kind of power over the FBI? Once an investigation is underway, can the Senate legally limit to scope or timeframe? No, remember, it's not the Senate. It's the White House that asked for the FBI investigation.
Starting point is 00:30:36 That's why Flake was suggesting it, Murkowski and Collins backed it. Trump had to order it. He can give them some framing, but it's up to the FBI how they interpret that framing, okay? And then finally, in the tweets, Jessica with a series of numbers, says, as a survivor of sexual assault, seeing the two women confront Flake, telling him their stories demanding he looked them and look at them and commanding respect, I broke down in tears, proud to be a woman, a survivor and a TYT member. Thank you, Jessica.
Starting point is 00:31:14 We appreciate it. That's the next story and obviously tyt.com slash join to become a member. We love your support and the stories that you guys have shared with us. It's important for us to know those and to be able to share that perspective with everyone. Yeah. All right. Okay, well, why don't we talk about that? We will probably never know for sure what it is that changed Jeff Lake's mind about an FBI
Starting point is 00:31:36 investigation this morning, assuming that he didn't intend fully. since the day began to do an investigation. But we do know one event that happened that certainly seems like it might have had an effect on him, and that is when he was confronted by two survivors of sexual violence while he was getting in an elevator during today's proceedings. We're to show you both of the videos before Warned. What the women say is very real and raw, potentially triggering as well. Here is the first.
Starting point is 00:32:03 On Monday, I stood in front of your office with Addie Barkin. I told the story of my sexual assault. I told it because I recognized in Dr. Ford's story that she's telling the truth. What you are doing is allowing someone who actually violated a woman to sit in the Supreme Court. This is not tolerable. You have children in your family. Think about them. I have two children.
Starting point is 00:32:28 I cannot imagine that for the next 50 years, they will have to have someone in the Supreme Court who has been accused of violating a young. young girl. What are you doing, sir? Wow. Super powerful. Wow. So we've had many debates on the show about whether you should yell at public figures and restaurants and the chance and etc. No, that's perfect because he's a sitting United States senator about to make a momentous decision. She's in the building legally. She sees him. I mean, if you can't ask your senator to vote the right way when you're an American citizen, is it really a democracy? So there was absolutely, that was amazing. And remember how sheltered they are. They're surrounded by their fellow
Starting point is 00:33:20 politicians, you know, keeping it real wealthy cable news hosts, wealthy donors, it's people in power and privilege, ones that, that some of them might have similar experiences, but they're sheltered in a lot of ways, and a lot of them might not. To see a real American, a U.S. citizens say, this is what I live through it. And I cannot tolerate the idea of my daughters growing up in a country where a Supreme Court Justice might have done this to someone else. I wish every senator could see that with their own eyes. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:33:54 No, no, go ahead. I was thinking the whole time about the privilege thing that you were talking about when Brad Kavanaugh was giving his testimony. Like, he lives in this, he grew up in this world of country clubs and, you know, playing all these sports and coaching his government. And it's like, you're the 1% and you don't know how most of the country is living. And so it is imperative to us to be like, yo, we're not Dallion in the country club. Like, we're down here in the trenches. And the person that you appoint to this Supreme Court is going to impact me more that's going to impact you because you have enough money to get over whatever you need.
Starting point is 00:34:30 to get over. Yeah. Yeah, that's such a good point. And just to touch on the privilege part a little more, you know, I'm curious if women, I think women overall are more sympathetic to the testimony from Dr. Blasey Ford. But I also wonder about privileged women in the country, because when she opened her testimony or her opening statement, one of the first things she said was, you know, I spent that summer doing what we usually do or doing what I usually do at the Columbia Country Club, you know, there was something relatable about her for everyone, regardless of where you are, you know, socioeconomic status-wise or, you know, gender-wise. Like, she was relatable.
Starting point is 00:35:17 And I wonder if that helped in, because remember, after her testimony, all of a sudden you start hearing from the right wing, whether it's on cable news. or from, you know, conservative lawmakers saying, yeah, she's very credible. And I'm wondering if that credibility comes from the fact that they can relate to her. Maybe? Yeah, look, I have to be honest, I thought the same thing yesterday, but I didn't want to get into that yet because there was so much substance on the actual charges, et cetera. But when she said country club, I thought, I wonder if, and it's not just that.
Starting point is 00:35:48 I mean, she is from their class, if you will. And I thought to myself, is that the difference between her and Anita? where they didn't believe Anita Hill at all. And of course, it's a lot of other factors. It was a slightly different time, et cetera, et cetera. But with Christine Blasey Ford, for whatever reason, even Orrin Hatch and Donald Trump, et cetera, looked at her and was like, oh, she's saying it, okay. I don't know if we're over interpreting, but certainly it occurred to us that that's, and by
Starting point is 00:36:20 the way, it's a normal human reaction. If you can relate to someone for whatever reason, you feel like they're in your, you know, in your culture, in your identity, et cetera, then you draw a connection with them. And this is what the judges do all the time. It happened with Brock Turner. That's a good kid going to Stanford, right? And that could be my kid. Whereas if you're a poor kid, whether you're white or black, whether you're from a holler
Starting point is 00:36:42 or from, you know, an inner city, it just has a harder time relating to you and thinks, and that looks like a criminal, right? And so she looked like an upstanding citizen, like the ones that they are very, very used to seeing and talking to. So when she says it, they're like, whoa, wow, this thing might have really happened. Yeah. Yeah. Can we show the second video?
Starting point is 00:37:03 Just to the front load of that. And here's the other survivor of sexual violence, a similar sort of plea to him. And pay attention to his body language and the look on his face as this video goes on. I was actually something, nobody believed me. I didn't tell anyone, and you're telling all women that they're going to do that they're don't matter, that they should just stay quiet because if they tell you what happened to them, you're going to ignore them. That's what happened to me. And that's what you're telling all women in America, that they don't matter. They should just keep it to themselves because if they
Starting point is 00:37:34 have told the truth, you're just going to help that man to power anyway. That's what you're telling all of these women. That's what you're telling me right now. Look at me when I'm talking to you. You're telling me that my assault doesn't matter. That what happened to me doesn't matter and that you're going to let people who do these things into power. That's what you're telling me when you vote for him. Don't look away from me, look at me and tell me that it doesn't matter what happened to me. Very similar to parts of Dr. Ford's testimony yesterday, it's just if you're a thinking person with any empathy or compassion in your body, that just, it just drills right into the center
Starting point is 00:38:14 of you. That just kills you. And so, again, I mean, these senators are not mostly humans. set of directions given them by donors, but it is not impossible that those two experiences had some effect on him, at the very least, certainly had on us. I mean, yesterday, Brett Kavanaugh said something that I thought was actually made a lot of sense, where he said, listen to the stuff that rings true. And if that doesn't ring true, nothing does.
Starting point is 00:38:43 You know these two women, this happened to them, and they have had to deal with this, overcome the trauma. I mean, this ring so true. There's no person with a shred of humanity that could just dismiss these women and be like, whatever, whatever. And one thing, too, I understand there's lots of political considerations. And obviously the Republicans think that speed matters. And, you know, there's like a one in three chance right now that the Democrats will get control the Senate and all that stuff. But realistically, here's the situation. There is nothing that is going to stop the Republicans from getting someone pretty extremely conservative into that seat. That ship sailed, you know, during the last election, that Gorsuch is going to get on there.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Someone is going to get on there. Jeff Flake knows some radical conservative is going to get on there. Maybe they'll pick someone else from the shortlist. Maybe it'll be the one woman that was on the shortlist next time. But they're going to have that seat because they have Donald Trump in the White House. And Flake knows that. So does it have to be Kavanaugh? Does he have to face the rest of his life having experiences like that while he's trying to get onto elevators?
Starting point is 00:39:44 Many of the Republican centers, I think, would be perfectly fine with that. Lindsay Graham had righteous indignation, but over the other victim in this story, Kavanaugh, supposedly. But not all of them are going to feel that way. And it's possible that Jeff Flake is willing to let this one go, and then they'll just get some other freak next time. You know, this morning, after processing everything that happened yesterday, and this is before Flake made the suggestion to do the FBI investigation, I just, I was kind of
Starting point is 00:40:12 like stewing in all of this. And I was really angry and I thought to myself, I better not make the mistake of bringing a daughter into this world, you know, because I don't want to bring a girl into this world knowing that our lawmakers, the people in positions of power wouldn't protect them if something her, if something happened to her. And so I just became angry because not only that, think about the young girls now that have been victimized who might feel like they can't come forward because why would I? Why would I come forward if I know I'm going to get smeared and the person that I'm accusing is still going to get the promotion, is still going to get all the praise, is still going to be protected? I mean, it just sends such a bad message. And again, I want to reiterate, we don't know without a shadow of a doubt if he's guilty
Starting point is 00:40:55 or if he's innocent, which is why it's important to do this investigation. But more importantly, it sends a message that these senators do take these allegations seriously. If they had not done the investigation and they just, you know, rush through. a floor vote and confirmed him, that would tell every female in this country right now, every rape victim or sexual assault victim, whether it's a male or female, you are not to believe, don't come forward, just shut your mouth and live with this in silence. But I'm glad that they're gonna do the investigation.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Those two women are American heroes. And I have nothing to add to what they said. They have more Cajonis than the entire Senate combined. Like, if you want to see what balls looks like, that's those two women. So strong. Okay, when we come back, we're going to get into, as Warner Wolf used to say back in the day, no one will understand that reference. We're going to go to the videotape and see if Kavanaugh had some very clear lies.
Starting point is 00:42:01 So we'll do that when we return. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the Young Turks. If you want to get the whole show and more exclusive content while supporting independent media, become a member at t.com slash join today. In the meantime, enjoy this free second. All right, back on a young turks, Colin from the member section, writes, and we can live happily like they do in Costa Rica or Northern Europe, vote blue and for progressives, then we can have nice things like universal health care, eliminate the student loan crisis.
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Starting point is 00:43:48 So that's the trade-off, what are we gonna do? And Dr. K.S.M.D. says the people in D.C. are surrounded by people like Brett Kavanaugh. How many of those senators went to prep schools and did similar things or even less egregious things, but egregious nonetheless. They don't want to tank Kavanaugh because if it can happen to him, it could happen to any one of them that has similar skeletons in their respective closets. And excellent point. And then finally, this was a tough one, but you know, we emphasize our members for a great
Starting point is 00:44:20 number of reasons, so I want to read it to you. Med Kitty writes in, I watched the video of Jeff Flake's interaction with those survivors earlier today, I'm a survivor myself and felt the pain in those women's voices, the coldness with which these senators are able to listen to these stories is something I can't fathom. They truly have no idea what it's like to have every aspect of your life be affected by something someone else did to you. I was five years old when I was sexually assaulted. Wow.
Starting point is 00:44:50 I think that if they ignore the credible evidence against Kavanaugh and they go forward anyway, there's going to be hell to pay and there should be. So, if they say to the rest of us, only the angry males get counted and no one else does, that's a hell of a statement to make to the country. So let's hope they don't. Let's hope that the outcome is different. Let's see how it turns out. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Okay, why don't we talk about some of that credible evidence? One area that is going to have to be part of this FBI investigation, I guess depending on its scope, which they say is going to be limited, is going to have to be. a thing that came up as a result of Brett Kavanaugh submitting his summer 1982 calendar. This is what he submitted as a defense against claims that he assaulted Christine Blasey Ford. And he made a big deal out of, look at the things that I have here, the when we do parties and all of that, the event that she described in very specific detail in terms of where
Starting point is 00:45:52 it happened, the people who are present there could not have happened. But there was a problem with that. On July 1st, he had a description of an event in his own words. that sounds exactly like what she described. And in it, he describes a going to Timmy's for skis with Judge Tom, PJ, Bernie, and Squee. So let's just first acknowledge that when he says we could only party on weekends because we're doing other things during the week, he then admitted, no, this is a July 1st, a weekday party that totally is a party on a weekday.
Starting point is 00:46:23 So that entire defense was not true at all. But there's a lot of other reasons to believe that this might be the event that Christine Blasey Ford was referencing. So one thing that's important is that she described during the hearing, she said that she ran into Mark Judge while he was working at a Safeway grocery store about six to eight weeks after the gathering where she says that she experienced the assault. And what's interesting there is that in one of his books, he references that he worked at a grocery store that would have been. put it in mid-August, I believe, which is six to eight weeks after this July 1st event. So time-wise, it does seem to fit with what another one of the witnesses at the party actually referenced in terms of the membership there. So Kavanaugh talking about who was present there, he was talking with the sex crimes prosecutor. He says, Tim Godette, Mark Judge, Tom Kane,
Starting point is 00:47:19 P.J. Smith, Bernie McCarthy, Chris Garrett. She confirms that Chris Garrett is squee, which he is. Thank you for that because no one would have guessed that. Now, in her previously, she had been talking earlier the day. She said there were four boys. She remembers there, Brett Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, a boy named PJ, someone that she doesn't seem to know very well, but she remembers his name is PJ, and one other boy whose name I cannot remember. I also remember my friend Leland attending.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Now, those people supposedly say they have no recollection of this event. They don't say it didn't happen, which is what Kavanaugh told you yesterday. They just have no recollection. And we are led to believe that she is remembering something that didn't actually happen. It seems pretty amazing and difficult to imagine that she is thinking of a sort of party that he has in his calendar that he went to with the exact membership that he has in his calendar and went to, and that an attack took place six to eight weeks before something that's also corroborated by another person who was present at that event.
Starting point is 00:48:18 He goes on to say that he didn't even know her, and yet she knows 36 years. later, exactly who was going to his parties, a very small set of people that she's not familiar with. There's a lot of stuff there that doesn't make sense, but I will say one additional thing. This is what we were talking about in the break before we came back for the show. You might recall that Mitchell was the prosecutor that asked forward all of her questions. Then we began the questions with Kavanaugh, and Mitchell resumed asking questions. But at some point, they cut her off.
Starting point is 00:48:49 She stopped with her time, and suddenly Lindsey Graham was exploding. And she never came back out again. Do you want to know the thing that she was asking about during the last bit of her questioning? It was this July 1st party. July 1st party, her time ran out. Dick Durbin began speaking. They never went back to her again. And conveniently, that's when Lindsay Graham did the huge hysterics.
Starting point is 00:49:12 And so everybody was distracted and all talking about Lindsay Graham. And nobody remembered to go back to the prosecutor. Now, the Republicans chose not to go back to the prosecutor. Remember, the prosecutor would normally ask the person who might have done it. That's more relevant questioning than the victim. And just as she got to the relevant part, Lindsay Graham's like, oh, I'm so mad, oh my God. Oh, and conveniently they never went back to her. I noticed that right away.
Starting point is 00:49:39 I noticed that right away. It was a look over here, look over here, a shiny thing. That was the explosive, you know, Lindsey Graham exploding. But I noticed because the prosecutor was asking questions of Brett Kavanaugh and it was not going well for him. Just out the gate, even her first line of questioning where she was like, do you know that grinding up against someone even without the intent of sexual, anything sexual is sexual assault? And he was like, yes.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Like it just was not looking good. Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day, she's a sex crimes prosecutor. So Republicans might have made a terrible mistake in deciding to choose her to carry out the line of questioning that they were too cowardly to carry out themselves. because she's going to ask the questions that she sees appropriate. And that's exactly what she did, which is why she failed to find any holes in Dr. Blasey Ford's story and then could have, if she was allowed to, gotten to the heart of a very important date that could have been the date where this alleged assault took place.
Starting point is 00:50:40 But I just want to give you a follow-up regarding what Republicans had to say about how they just did away with her after Lindsey Graham lost his temper. So, Senator Tom Tillis was asked about this later, and he said, we didn't expect that Mitchell was going to go the full range. What range of time or questions? It doesn't make any sense. Like if you said, hey, look, she's just going to question Blasey Ford, I wouldn't agree with that strategy, I think that would be wrong, but at least it would make sense.
Starting point is 00:51:11 But who thought, hey, you know what, this is what we'll plan. We'll have her question Blasey Ford entirely, and then get to Kavanaugh, and once she asked is through one or two senators, we'll just make her stop in the middle. That's not a plan you would have. There's no way that's a plan they had. They clearly changed the plan. You can say, hey, maybe they changed the plan for another reason. Lindsay was so upset, he just needed to go off, and then everybody forgot that they had
Starting point is 00:51:36 the prosecutor who was supposed to ask their questions. Maybe, but you can't say they didn't change the plan. So I just, I want to be clear about a couple of things. Mark Judge does deny that that event happened, and he was at that party. Okay, now the FBI is going to talk to him. Leland, that's Dr. Blasey Ford's friend, female friend, he kept saying, Kavanaugh kept saying she says it didn't happen. He said all four witnesses say it didn't happen.
Starting point is 00:52:06 She never said that. She said she had not witnessed it, which is true. And by the way, that's what Blasey Ford says, too. She didn't say that Leland was in the room, right? But Leland says, I believe Blasey Ford. That's right. I believe Christine. So, I mean, look, you can say he miscommunicated.
Starting point is 00:52:24 Another word for that is Kavanaugh lied over and over again through the testimony when he said that Leland says it didn't happen. She never said that. In fact, she backs forward. Can I just jump in really quickly about that? Because, you know, during Cory Booker's line of questioning, he specifically mentioned that Leland had said, I believe her, and he did not respond to that. So Kavanaugh kept repeating that talking point about how all the witnesses deny it.
Starting point is 00:52:55 And I mean- Yeah, I mean, re-looking at a lot of that testimony, man. It is hard to come away now thinking that Kavanaugh is a liar. And so I thought his opening statement, we've got a lot of debate and discussion about that, but maybe because as I talked about in the post game last night, when I get angry, it's usually because I mean it, right? And I'm being honest about my emotions and the things that I'm describing. And so maybe I overly empathize with that anger there. And I think it's wrong to assume that because he's angry, he's clearly lying. But overall, it's not dispositive either way, obviously. When you look at the rest of the testimony and the questioning,
Starting point is 00:53:36 it becomes clearer and clearer that there was a lot of, at the bare minimum inaccuracies, let alone lies. But John, I want to give you credit because I didn't think about it the way that you said it in the beginning. Think about that, guys. She said before she'd ever seen his calendar, of course she didn't see his calendar when she came forward in July. And when she, we didn't see the calendar. Nobody saw the calendar until very, very recently, about two days ago, right? She said that PJ and Mark Judge and Kavanaugh were at the party. How would she, she barely knows him. They knew each other a little bit in social circles.
Starting point is 00:54:14 They both agree to that, right? How would she know that he went to a party with Mark Judge and PJ? She doesn't even know who PJ is. She just says there was a boy named PJ that I remember. And it turns out he's got a friend who went by PJ at the time. Think about it. No, no, no, no, he's lying. Think about it, think about it.
Starting point is 00:54:35 How does she know, as she told her therapist about this traumatic event, when she describes a traumatic event, she says, Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, and PJ were there, okay? How would she know those exact friends that went to a party in the summer of 1982 exactly like she described it without having any idea that they had gone to a party together except the one she was at and assaulted at? And by the way, if you were, I keep, first of all, in terms of the sex crimes prosecutor, on yesterday's edition of the damage report, I said, this is before Kavanaugh's testimony, I said, isn't it a perverse situation where they bring in a sex crimes prosecutor to destroy
Starting point is 00:55:13 the victim? But if she ever gets close to hurting the guy who's accused, they are like contractually obligated to pull her mic. And then they did it. They actually pulled her mic, which seems ridiculous. You said it ahead of time, and that's exactly what they did. But I didn't even realize at the time that's what was happening because of the hand that was waving.
Starting point is 00:55:32 I got distracted by Lindsey Graham too. But again, everybody says, well, you can just accuse a person. You can just say something, you can't prove it. He said, she said. Okay, but what did she say? Two big problems for Kavanaugh. One, if you're going to accuse someone of sexually assaulting you, you don't put another person in the room while it's happening.
Starting point is 00:55:52 You don't name another person and say that they were there. Mark Judge, she named him. That is a really weird strategy if you're going to try to make up out of whole cloth that someone raped you or tried to rape you. Why would you put Leland in the room, your friend? Why would you put his friend? They're still friends together in the room. full well knowing that he's going to back his friend.
Starting point is 00:56:11 It makes no sense if you were making it up. It makes perfect sense if that's actually what happened. And then on the other side with this party, like if you're going to describe a social event to have all of this confirming information come out that you could never have had access to, not only because we didn't have access to the calendar until a couple of days ago, because who would have a calendar from 1982? It just happened that he has confirmed so much of what she said. And if you just find out, somebody says, here are details of an attempt, of a crime that happened to me, and you say, ah, well, we don't really know.
Starting point is 00:56:44 And then so many things get confirmed in ways that you never could have predicted they actually would. That has got to lead you to believe that she is actually right. And now the FBI is looking into it. And here's the thing. Some of this is confirmable. Supposedly, Mark Judge's grandmother has a house that matches this floor plan in this area. They can go. They can find out, you know, and talk to people in the area.
Starting point is 00:57:05 They can check to see if the floor plan does actually exactly match and all that in the way that she said. This looks so terrible to continue to defend him. Just be honest. You don't care. Look, I don't know if they're going to get him, but he did it. No, I'm now absolutely convinced. Because I always think about what if it was like the shoes on the other foot and how would someone I barely know? I know a little bit.
Starting point is 00:57:30 know how I went to a party with specific friends of mine in that summer. How would they know that? How would, you know, let's pick names of friends of mine, Steve Dave and Jack. You went to a party with Stephen Jay and Jack. How the hell would you know that, right? And how would you know to make that up? And that you would be so certain, what if you get caught? What if I never went to a party with Jack that summer, right?
Starting point is 00:57:53 But you make that up and you put it in? Nobody would make that up. No, no, no, no. She's telling the truth. And he's lying. She's too credible. The way that she was describing the events, even when she was asked about this PJ boy, like I guess she had written somewhere previously, like PJ was a bystander.
Starting point is 00:58:08 And she was like, no, no, I actually want to retract that. He seemed like a very nice boy and he wasn't in the room. It was like she's like she's fingering the two people that were there. And this other guy seemed like a really nice guy. I don't really want to get him in the house. Come on. Mark Judge wrote a book using the name O'Cavanaugh. O'Cavanaugh!
Starting point is 00:58:28 O'Cavanaugh! What the hell? kind of name is O. Kavanaugh. Really? Come on, guys. And it was Bart O. Kavanaugh. His name is Brett Kavanaugh. Come on. Okay. And so- Those aren't even close. Right. And so- starts with a B. No, guys, PJ, it's over. It's over. She said PJ. PJ's in the calendar. You can't possibly make up PJ and get it right. It's, it's, he did it. He did it. It's only a matter whether they catch him. I think what's more telling about that he did it is that he does not want an FBI investigation.
Starting point is 00:59:03 Every time he was asked, he was like, what's the FBI going to do? They're going to pull out the 302s, which I don't even know what that means. He's like, they just give the 302s. Like, what are you even talking about? If I was accused of something heinous and I was innocent, I'd be like, bring the FBI, bring the county sheriff's office, bring everybody up in here. Let's all say, like uncover every single rock, because guess what? I am innocent A.F.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Yeah. Not what happening. We got to go. Okay, let's do it. So, look, we got a lot more on his lying. We actually have more evidence that shows you that he's not being truthful throughout the testimony. We'll get to that when we return. And when we come back, if you think we're in a rage, Tom Merello is going to be here from Rage Against a Machine and Prophets of Rage.
Starting point is 00:59:50 And he's going to be in the next power panel. Thank you, Helen. Thank you. And thank you, John. Appreciate it. And all right, everybody check out. Go fact yourself. And buy one of these t-shirts because they're Asian.
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