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Episode Date: September 10, 2024

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Ignore the polls, they're wrong. Yeah, now the Democrats went from, ignore the polls, they're totally wrong, to the polls are great, and they're definitely right, to back the polls are definitely wrong. So I'm going to tell you what is actually happening. And there's a critical number in those polls, which I wish it was good news. But unfortunately, it's bad news. But it is critical. And you have to know it.

We'll come back to that in a little bit for you guys. So stay right here. Anna, what do we got? Well, first, we begin with this. Allegedly, Haitians are going around and taking people's pets and eating them. The duck pond in a local park is being picked clean. So allegedly, you have Haitians. in this town of Springfield, Ohio, that are going by and eating ducks.

These claims are unfounded. And we're going to get to how these rumors started spreading, what the truth is behind these rumors and more. So let's begin by noting that it's not just Charlie Kirk, but even vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance is spreading these fearmongery rumors about Haitian migrants stealing people's pets and eating them. But again, to reiterate, it is not true. Now today, J.D. Vance posted on X months ago, I raised the issue of Haitian illegal immigrants draining social services and generally causing chaos all over Springfield, Ohio. Reports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn't be in this country. Where is our borders are? When he says that, of course, he is referring to Kamala Harris.

and it's to me pretty obvious that this made up claim is being used to attack Kamala Harris for political purposes. But in doing so, what the Republicans are doing is discrediting themselves when it does come to legitimate issues of immigration. We're going to get to that in just a minute. Now, what are they talking about? Well, the claim that Haitian immigrants were abducting and consuming pets appears to have begun with some right-wing accounts that amplified a report about a local woman by the name of Alexis Talia Farrell, who was arrested in August for killing and eating a cat. But no evidence linked her to being a Haitian or a migrant. Okay, she appears to just be a woman in America who has a severe mental health issue and she did end up getting

arrested. But right wing figures like Ian Miles Chong, who is not an American, but likes to engage in, divisive rhetoric that leads Americans to fight with one another wait in on this. And he spread the lie anyway, as you can see in this exchange. One person writes drugs, like wondering if the woman did what she did because of drugs. And he said worse, Haitians. Brother, you're not even an American man talking about all these Haitians, immigrants are the real problem. The mother efforts in Malaysia spreading lies about what's going on here. So what businesses of yours, why don't you just go deal with your own country and leave us alone?

So the rumor may also have originated from an unsubstantiated post in a Springfield Facebook group. The original poster did not cite firsthand knowledge of an incident. Instead, they claimed that their neighbor's daughter's friend had lost her cat and found it hanging from a branch at a Haitian neighbor's home being carved up to be eaten. Now, well, there's no evidence to be found indicating that someone in Springfield, Ohio did this. In fact, the Springfield Police Division said Monday morning, meaning today, that they have received no reports in Springfield, Ohio, that someone had stolen someone else's cat to eat them. And Springfield Police Investigations Commander Mike Kranz told Forbes that there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community. In fact, the woman arrested for eating the cat was arrested in a different Ohio town, about 100 miles northeast of Springfield, and that was the woman I was referring to earlier,

who is not a migrant and is not Haitian. Now, the last bit of evidence some people are citing is this video that you're about to watch. So this took place at a Springfield City Commission meeting last month, alleging that he saw a migrant decapitate a duck. Let's watch. These Haitians are running into trash cans. They're running into buildings. They're running into, they flipping cars in the middle of the street.

And I don't even want to seem like I'm coming down on the immigrants because it's the people that's bringing them down here. Because wherever they're at, that's what they're used to, bro. They're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and walking off with them and eating them. like. So we should note that the man you just heard from is a local resident Anthony Harris, who is also running for, allegedly running for mayor of Clark County. According to the Washington Post, the guy carrying the goose, by the way, was photographed in Columbus a month ago

and is not obviously an immigrant from Haiti, much less one from Springfield. Nonetheless, right-wingers are running with this whole narrative, including Elon Musk, and the official Republican House Judiciary Committee X page. So here's Elon Musk posting about it. That's an AI generated image of Trump hugging a kitten. But you have to clarify it because Maga might believe it. No, but like that, that image is hilarious. And then you also have this from Ted Cruz.

Please vote for Trump so Haitian immigrants don't eat us. So look, this is obviously disgusting and stupid. and if Republicans want people to take their legitimate claims about migrants seriously, they should probably avoid discrediting themselves with nonsense like this. Look, guys, if you can't tell that that's not true, I'm not going to be able to help you. So let me address the people who are frustrated by this, right? So when you see a story like this, all the red flags should be going off in your head. Like, really?

Really? There's people in Ohio kidnapping pets and eating them. That is a very unlikely story. Now, if you said that, this is to, you know, we often criticize Democrats, but here, especially for Democratic voters, they're better than this. Sorry, Republican voters, you can go cry about it, okay? But if you told Democratic voters, MAGA guys are kidnapping cats and eating them, they wouldn't believe it. They'd say, really? Really? Where's your source on that? Okay?

You tell MAGA guys that, oh, scary immigrants are kidnapping cats and dogs and eating them. They're like, oh, yeah, obviously, obviously, I don't need any evidence. Oh, I saw one thing. Oh, I saw some woman, no evidence that she's Haitian at all, because it turns out she isn't. And she did someone crazy thing, oh, it's all Haitians, it's all immigrants, I hate them all, I instantly believe it. Because it only takes one thing to confirm your bias. It takes dozens and dozens of pieces of evidence to unseat a bias. But if you already have a bias, it only takes one thing for you to go, oh yeah, oh, definitely.

I hate these immigrants. I bet they're eating my cat and dog. So look, that's why it spreads like wildfire. It's insanity. The fact that they can't tell that that's insanity. is really sad and then the demagoguery all the immigrants look guys if we have issues with immigrants we point them out on the show and the leftists hate us for it right how dare you say that immigrants have any problems they're all angels come of course not they're human beings

there's a range but if you come with a deranged lunatic conspiracy theory like this didn't and to anna's point nobody's going to believe you about anything that immigrants do Like we're trying to have a rational discussion here, guys. What should be our immigration policy? What is the humane thing to do? What is the best thing to do to protect Americans, to have a real process, et cetera. And instead, we got one side saying, no, every immigrant's an angel. We shouldn't do anything, et cetera.

The other side saying, oh, they all eat cats and dogs. We're stuck in the middle with you guys. So like, come on, how could you not tell that's crazy and wrong? All right, we got to get to a point where members of both sides of the political aisle find a way to tether themselves to reality. Yes. Because if you don't agree on what the issues actually are, you will never find a solution. And that's the reason why things continue to devolve in America.

And, Jake, look, I don't want to get into a qualitative debate analysis right now about, you know, which voters are the best. But, I mean, you can provide mountains and mountains and mountains. of evidence to some Democratic voters, and they will reject it if the mountain of evidence that you're providing them agrees with something that the right wing believes. But guys, we have to be receptive to reality and to the receipts, to the facts. In this case, there are no facts. There is no evidence to back up these claims being made by Republicans. And when they make these types of claims, not only does it direct all sorts

of hatred toward people that they're smearing, right? I mean, think about what they're saying about Haitians as a whole here. But it also leads to people who might be receptive to their arguments, discrediting them entirely. Because why would you believe anything that comes out of Ted Cruz's mouth if he's spreading this lie? Why would you believe anything coming out of J.D. Vance's mouth if he's spreading this lie. So look, Anna, you could say, hey, maybe you could tell an outrageous lie that Democrats would believe if it suited their purposes. It wouldn't be this one. It would be a different one. Like, Biden is not too old. He's young and dynamic behind the scenes. Diane Feinstein is totally fine. Oh yeah. Okay, right before she died.

Okay, but so I hear you on all that, and that's what we fight against all day. But guys, look, if you don't want people to think you're an unhinged lunatic, don't spread unhinged lunatic conspiracy theories. It's not that complicated. But in this case, this is so above and beyond anything else that it would, it takes extraordinary evidence. So that you look into it for one second, And the cops say there's been no reports of that. That should end it for you. But no, J.D. Vance and Ted Cruz, that's the vice presidential candidate and a senator spreading utter nonsense.

And remember, they're not a rando online that saw one video and didn't see any context and believed it. They know it's a lie. They know with great certainty that it's a lie. And they spread that lunatic stuff anyway because they want you to hate immigrants. And I also want to talk about the specific location that they decided to spread this lie in, this defamatory claim that will direct hatred toward a very specific group of people. So they're talking about Springfield, Ohio, right?

And it is true that that community has been grappling with an influx of migrants coming in with the limited resources that they have. So tensions are already high. And then you throw this kind of defamatory fuel on the fire, and what do you think is going to happen? So it's not only a lie, it's not only wrong, but it also creates conflict where people could potentially get hurt while also leading to no solutions about the actual issues at play here, right? So let's talk about what those issues are. So as I mentioned, you know, there have been some tensions growing in Springfield, Ohio, because of an influx of Haitian migrants. A Biden administration policy provided temporary protected status to hundreds of thousands of Haitian

immigrants, or migrants, I should say, who have left their home country because of ongoing violence. Some estimates say as many as 20,000 people from Haiti have come to the city. The speed and volume of arrivals have put pressure on housing, schools, and hospitals. The community health clinics saw 13-fold increase in Haitian patients between 2021 and 23, from 115 to 1,500 overwhelming its staff and budget. So that is real, that is a real issue. And if you want to find a solution to that issue, that's where we should, that's where

we should be having the conversation. But demagoguing and smearing people for a political victory here is just a really sick and gross way to go about it. And it's not really finding solutions for anything. And then by the way, at the same time, the New York Times also reported the influx of migrants has helped revitalize what was a shrinking economy in Springfield and NPR reported immigrants have opened restaurants and helped fill labor shortages. And I'm sure that's true to some extent. But I don't think it's fair for any particular town, city, or state to bear

the burden of an influx of migrants without help from the federal government, which is supposed to be taking care of this matter. And they have dropped the ball. It's clear. Yeah. So look, here's what rational people should do. Let's all as a country come together on rules. What are the rules that we want? What it, you know, how can you apply for asylum? How many people do we want coming into the country legally? And then let's enforce those rules. But we don't do any of that. And the reason we don't do any of that is because, again, as always, politics is corrupt in this country. So a lot of businesses love undocumented immigrants because they use them as cheap labor. Right. So they don't want it fixed. If it was fixed, they would have to pay them minimum wage or higher. And they don't want to pay them that. So that's why they like the system broken. And so both sets of politicians, Democrats and Republicans work for those donors. So they never bother fixing it. Exactly. And then both sides use it to demagogue. So the republic is way more so on this issue. Oh, look at these people who are foreigners and different and look different and act different than us. I bet they're eating.

our cats and dogs and that kind of insane, ludicrous demagoguery, loaded up with racial stereotypes, okay? And the Democrats demagogued by going, oh my God, if you're not for, you know, all the undocumented immigrants or immigrants in general, that means you're racist, et cetera. And there could be, you could be, as I just explained, or it might be that you think, yeah, but I don't know this Springfield, Ohio can handle that many immigrants. Right. So let's figure out how do we handle immigrants, how many, and what? What's the process and what's the fair just thing to do for them and for us? Yeah, and look, let me just communicate this as calmly as I can because I do want to understand

where leftists fall on these very specific issues, right? So they like the idea of open borders. Leftists do, not Democrats in general, clearly, but leftists do. How do you reconcile the fact that workers in this country for the first time in many decades had leverage to negotiate for higher wages because there was a labor shortage? So how do you reconcile that fact with the idea of open borders where people would come in and work for far less and disempower American workers? How do you also reconcile the very real issue that we're dealing with, not just in Ohio, but all across the country where there's a housing shortage, but you have a lot of people coming in and we don't have the resources to house them, the resources to ensure that they're taken care of, right? All of these issues are difficult.

And you're not allowed to have a debate about it, because if you do, you bring it up. It's not just about racism. It's also about how do we do this in a way that's fair to everyone involved, including American citizens. Yeah, I don't even want to have that debate, honestly. Why? It's an important debate to have. No, no, no, no. I mean with the leftists, because they're irrelevant. Like, if by leftists, you mean someone in this particular case, that's for open borders, that is not a legitimate issue.

No one in America wants open borders. that would come out about maybe 96 to 4 if you did a poll, right? And I'm being generous to the leftist. So if you're actually, and I'm not saying all leftists want this, okay, I want to be clear. But for the ones who say, yeah, open borders are probably the same people who say no prisons, no cops, no one agrees with you. So you can have that and you can hate me. That's okay.

That I'm not on your side. And that's totally clear. But the other people that are not on your side is the overwhelming majority of Democratic voters. Right. If you put it to a poll for Democratic voters, would you like open borders or anyone can come into the country with no laws? They would scream, no, okay? Forget the Republican voters. So if you're online and you think that open borders is cool and hip and hot and you think that that's what the majority of the left thinks,

you have no idea how tiny your bubble is and the fact that you can't see outside of it. Totally agree. All right, let's move on to some other unfortunate news to say the least, and it has to do with Donald Trump's rhetoric recently in regard to the election. So Donald Trump is now threatening to go after election workers and political operatives with long-term prison sentences for supposedly cheating him out of an electoral win. I just want to know that there are still several weeks until the election, he's already planting the seeds, that the election is going to be stolen from him. This is what he did in 2020, in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election, he's doing it again, and he's threatening to imprison political opponents.

So Trump made the following truth social post on Saturday. We broke it down piece by piece to read it to you. And so he writes, cease and desist, I, together with many attorneys and legal scholars and watching the sanctity of the 2024 presidential election very closely, because I know better than most, the rampant cheating and skullduggery that has taken place by the Democrats in the 2020 presidential election. Now stick around for the two recent examples of Trump admitting on camera that the election wasn't stolen from him and he actually lost the election, but I'll continue. Therefore, the 2024 election where votes have just started being cast,

He's referring to like absentee ballots will be under the closest professional scrutiny. And when I win, those people that she did will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this depravity of justice does not happen again. And finally, he writes, please beware that this legal exposure extends to lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters, and corrupt election officials, those involved in, scrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our country. And he later doubled down on this kind of messaging the next day on Sunday. He also made some baseless claims about election fraud, saying on truth social

that he expects to win the key swing states. The key swing state of Pennsylvania. He said And an interview by Tucker Carlson of an election expert indicates that 20% of the mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania are fraudulent. Come on. Just totally made up. Okay. Here we go again. Where is the U.S. Attorney General and FBI to investigate? Where is the Pennsylvania Republican Party?

We will win Pennsylvania by a lot unless the Dems are allowed to cheat. The R&C must activate now. But just recently, in two different instances, two different events, Trump admitted that he lost the 2020. election. I'm going to show you those videos in a second, but Jake, jump in. So look, again, when you tell MAGA, hey guys, the guy's unhinged, they're like, oh, show me one thing. As if he has, I can show you hundreds of unhinged things that Donald Trump is on. Trump brackets.com, we already, I went to like narrow it down to 64 from hundreds and hundreds. And here's another example. Guys, do you understand that if 20% of the mail

in ballots were fraudulent, that would be the largest fraud in American history by a landslide. It would the most overwhelming case of fraud. Every local state and federal cop would be on it. Whether it was for Republicans or Democrats, it would be a gigantic story. It's not something that flies under the radar. It's not like, oh, Jim Bob and his dumbass friend did voter fraud and voted for their moms. Okay. So that's gigantic. You think, oh, he did this true social 20% of him are mail it because Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson, almost everything he says is a lie. Of course that's not true. There's no evidence of it. There's no authorities that say that that's true. No Republican authorities, no anything.

Trump and Tucker Carlson give you one lie after another after another. It's a factory of lies, an absurd over the top lies. Yet we have to sit here in debate whether he's crazy or not. And then look, the sense that that this guy could win is unreal to me. So if you think that, oh, yeah, the election was stolen from him, you're lost, you're a lost soul, you're, you don't realize, you remind me of funny enough of people in Washington, D.C., who have no idea why populists exist, they think the status quo is wonderful, they don't understand why there's a single problem in the country, because they're so rich and happy, right? And the MAGA guys that are as deluded by Trump remind me of the same thing. They're like, I don't get it. We know that we can't possibly lose an election.

And even though we never ever have any evidence, we're sure that every election we lost is stolen. You sound crazy. And now Trump will show you that he actually did lose the election. So let's go to the first video. So just to give you some background. Well, actually first, let's talk about Pennsylvania briefly, right? Because Pennsylvania is a pivotal state for Trump or Kamala Harris to win in order to win enough electoral college votes. So if Trump wins Pennsylvania, he'll end up getting 287 electoral college votes, while Kamala likely will get 251.

In order to win enough electoral college votes based on how the rest of the states are likely to vote, Pennsylvania is critical, like Trump or Kamala needs to win it in order to win the overall presidential election. Bottom line, really easy to remember. Look, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin are the three most important states and of those by far the most important is Pennsylvania. Both of them have to win Pennsylvania. Exactly. So with that said, let's go to this video where you'll see

where they both stand in the current polling. Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. And what we see is a tightening race in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. All right, this is Harris versus Trump margin in the Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. A month ago, when you looked at the polls, New York Times plus four Harris, plus three Quinnipiac for Harris, Franklin and Marshall, plus three for Harris. But look at polls that have come out over the last week or so, and what do we see? We see a much tighter race.

We see a tie in the CBS New YouGov poll. We see a tie in the CNN. tie in the CNN SSRS Paul. And this to me is part of an emerging pattern, which is in a very pivotal state. What we saw was a small Harris leave, but within the margin of error, becoming a race that is way, way, way too close to call this particular point. So that's the reason why Trump specifically posted about Pennsylvania. He knows what the stakes are, and he knows that it's important to win that state. And so he's already planting a seat about alleged election fraud or ballot fraud in that state in order to get his supporters

riled up. But he hasn't provided any evidence of that. It's a completely fabricated claim. Now, Jank, did you want to weigh in on that? Just real quick, later in the show, we're gonna talk about the New York Times poll. So the polling showing that Kamala Harris lead is slipping is real. So those numbers are real. Pennsylvania is very much a toss up now. I'm gonna come back later to the main point in the story, which is Trump threatening to put anyone in prison that doesn't agree to his outrageous lies. Right. Okay, but first let's show you what he kind of thinks, apparently thinks.

So here he is at the Moms for Liberty Conference. In this exchange, he very clearly concedes what the reality was of the 2020 election results. We got 63 million votes in the first election. I was told that if we get 63 million votes, same number, there's no way we can be defeated. I got 10 or 12 million votes more than that, more than anybody had ever got. We get the most votes of anybody, of any sitting president in history. And he beat us by a whisker. Now, I can hear in the tone of his voice.

It was difficult to admit that. But he did admit that. Biden beat us by a whisker. And that is true in some of the swing states. And by the way, he said the same thing while speaking to. Lex Friedman. Lex Friedman had a one-on-one interview with Donald Trump last week. Let's take a look at what he had to say. But I've done well with debates. I mean, I became president. Then the second time, I got millions more votes than I got the first time. I was told if I got 63 million,

which is what I got the first time, you would win. You can't not win. And I got millions of more votes than that and lost by a whisker. But he keeps going back and forth because he also spoke at an event for the fraternal order of police. And during that event, he said, I hope you watch for voter fraud. Watch for the voter fraud because we win without voter fraud. You can keep it down just by watching because believe it or not, they're afraid of that badge. They're afraid of you people. So again, implying that the reason why he lost in 2020 was due to voter fraud, voter fraud that he has failed to provide any evidence of or any evidence for.

And look, the only area where the right wing might have a point, and I don't think that this helps Democrats, even though I understand why they're doing it, is, you know, there's this effort to get RFK Jr. off of the ballots in swing states. Now it's ironic because he had to fight and, you know, carry out lawsuits in order to ensure that he was on the ballots, now that he has dropped out and he has endorsed Donald Trump, and he was clear that he wanted to drop out and endorse Donald Trump because he wanted to help Trump win, and he was a spoiler candidate for Trump in some of these swing states if he remained in the race. Now he wants his name off the ballots, and the states are really

pushing back on it. One of the states that has obliged, although it has created a lot of problems, is North Carolina. Now, North Carolina had already sent out their absentee ballots, and now they have to delay everything in order to essentially send out new ballots and get those people who have already submitted ballots to vote again. So that is an issue. Let's keep it real. But the way that it's going to seem to Trump voters or Trump supporters for the states that refuse to do this like Michigan, the state Supreme Court in Michigan just rejected the idea of taking RFK Jr. off the ballot. Trump supporters are going to look at that as Democrats trying to rig the election. No, I give no quarter to Republican.

on this. No, I know, I get it. But like, so like, no, I don't want to, like, it's not a 50-50 issue. It's a 99 to one issue. It might be at 100 to zero issue. When it's 50-50, we tell you. When, you know, anyways. So there is no a real issue. In fact, Donald Trump is encouraging all the Republican voters do mail-in voting, do mailing, do early voting. What happened? What happened? I thought you said it was all fraudulent. No, you don't want the others to do mail-in voting. You want your side to do mail-in voting. And you're a gigantic liar. every way and he's also a dumbass. So he keeps saying in those interviews, well, I had 63 million and they told me if I get

63 million I'm gonna win. Yeah, you're one of your dumbass advisors told you that because they're all stupid and couldn't realize, oh, maybe the other guy might get more, that the new Democratic opponent you have might be a lot more popular than Hillary Clinton was in 2016. And that never occurred to you knuckleheads. So did he get more than 63 million? Yeah, he got all the way up to 74 million, which is an amazing number. Okay, and so that is nine million more, not 10 or 12, but it's nine.

But it turns out Biden got 81 million votes. He's like, nope, nope, if I got that many, I must have won. That's not how elections work. And I know you can't get into your tiny, tiny little mind that, oh, if I get more votes, I might still lose because the other guy might get even more votes. It never, it hasn't occurred to him. So why is he now saying that he did lose the election? because his advisors told them, hey, when we do polling, people are super annoyed that you're

still lying about the 2020 election. And they, some people want to vote for you because they can't stand the establishment or they don't like Democrats or whatever it might be. But there's pausing because you keep saying, oh my God, if I ever lose an election, I'll never accept it. And it seems like you're kind of dictatorial and you never want to actually accept democracy. So can you please go out there and lie and say, because Trump, I don't know what he actually thinks. Forget that.

So, but please say that you lost the election so we can move on, right? So he goes and does two interviews and says I lost the election. But he can't help himself. You can't teach him anything. So the minute those two interviews are done, he goes back to, and it lose, and it loses, it's all fake. Everything is fake. Yeah, I know, I know. What a spoiled little baby.

I just, I loat this man. I can't stand his nonstop lies. Now, much more important and dangerous is he says long prison sentences for anyone who doesn't acknowledge a thing I made up about 20% of mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania being fake. Okay, where's your evidence for that? Never, never presents any evidence. He goes, it doesn't matter. I'm going to put you in prison.

And by the way, I want the cops to go as we showed you that to go to voting boost and that intimidates people. He's basically saying, and we've got another story in the show today about out in Florida, they're trying to intimidate people who signed a ballot measure on abortion. They're sending cops to their houses. They're using the cops like fascists to go intimidate people. And they say, you better not vote against us. Oh, yeah, you guys like you're really in favor of democracy. No, this is why people think that Donald Trump doesn't believe in democracy. Because if he loses or his side loses, he lies and threatens to put people who. in prison who don't agree with his lies.

So, okay, you want to risk democracy, you want to risk America, put this madman, this raging lunatic into office, and then we'll all see what happens for four disastrous years. I don't know that we survived that. Well, journalist Olivia Nuzzi was smeared by Democrats for daring to tell the truth about Biden's mental decline. In fact, they're trying to destroy a series that she worked on that's coming out. So we're going to have her on the show when we come back from the. the break and discuss what her experience has been. Don't miss it.

the video. We appreciate you guys. We got a great interview for you next. Yep. Well, it's rough out there for journalists, especially when small mobs of people can easily get you fired or demoted over their grievances in how stories are reported or whether an inconvenient truth is shared with the public. And that's certainly something that happened to journalist Olivia Nuzzi. Now, back in July, Nuzzi was announced to lead a six episode interview series titled working capital on Bloomberg TV's network. And according to Variety, it focuses on candid exchanges with political and business leaders. There was supposed to be this big PR campaign around it in order to promote it to ensure that it does well. But after a group of Democrats complained

to Bloomberg about Nuzzis reporting on Biden, it appears that they might have scrapped that PR campaign altogether. Now, what are they upset about? A piece that she wrote for Intelligencer, New York Magazine, the conspiracy of silence to protect Joe Biden, the president's mental decline was like a dark family secret for many elite supporters. And this same group of people also dug into her tweets from many, many years ago where she's obviously joking to paint her as some sort of racist, which she is not. Now joining us to speak about this whole incident is the journalist herself, Olivia Nuzzi.

Olivia, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. So give us the details about what ended up happening with this PR campaign. Did they really scrap it? Yeah, I mean, basically, you know, I publish the story on July 4th. I always love to celebrate July 4th by publishing a tough piece about whoever the sitting president is. And some Democrats, very predictably, you know, I write feature stories. I cover the presidency. I cover presidential campaigns. Anytime I write a story that's, you know, tough on a Democrat, I'm accused of being a conservative activist. Anytime I write a story that's tough on a conservative, I'm accused of being a liberal activist. This is something that I kind of just expect at this point, and it doesn't surprise me. Now, it didn't surprise me either that a big media corporation like Bloomberg would be very frightened about even just the faintest murmurs of a potential object's

crisis. These are companies that, you know, pay PR professionals, probably on a retainer that's much more than most journalists get paid to avoid any sort of PR calamity. And they're very worried about having to deal with any pain related to any of the content that they're producing. So it wasn't surprised exactly about their reaction to it. But, you know, it was disappointed, obviously. And I think companies like that, especially companies that are so flush with cash. They're sort of in a position to fight back against cancel culture. I know people don't like that phrase, and it's been sort of politicized beyond recognition. But that's what this is. And I think that they should use that power that they have and kind of make some more courageous decisions. And I hope that they do so in the future. I appreciate it, sister. I totally agree with you.

I guess my follow-up question to you is, why is this group of Democrats so unhinged? Because, I mean, they're upset at your peace in just simply stating the truth about Biden's mental decline and what people around Biden were saying, not publicly, but internally and all of that. So because of reporting like that and because of the realization that Biden isn't fit to run or serve in another term, we have a better candidate running against Donald Trump, thus making the election a lot more competitive. Have these individuals come to terms with that, or are they still in denial? I think there's always a tendency to shoot the messenger and that's on both sides. I certainly experienced this covering Donald Trump's political rise and covering his White House.

Most of his supporters were not happy with me most of the time and let me know it. But I have noticed covering Joe Biden, covering him even in the 2020 primary, there is this sense that he's sort of made of glass and that the tiniest breeds of criticism could make him shatter and that there's this urge to protect him from any sort of scrutiny. which I am opposed to, obviously, as a member of the press. I know you are all opposed to that as well. And my view is I'm not concerned with outcomes. I don't view that is my role as a journalist.

I'm just concerned with writing the most fair and accurate stories possible. And I understand why people are kind of, they're angry about the way that our politics are, and they're looking for people to blame. And I understand why they arrive at the decision, whether it's conscious or not. that members of the press who are delivering information that they don't like or that they wish was not true why we are often the ones to blame. And I don't feel any, you know, I don't feel grieved by it at all. I sort of get it. Yeah. So look, we deal with that all the time. And so if you criticize any Democrat, they'll say, oh, you want Trump to win. It's not my job to want or not

want Trump to win. It's my job to deliver the news, which is reality-based and truth-based. Yeah. And so implicit in that is why don't you do propaganda for us? Like that's as if that's what media should do. And I can get into a long conversation about why they have that assumption. But what I'm curious about is the mechanics here, Olivia. Who do you? So these people who come after you to say Bloomberg don't air this or don't promote this, et cetera, who are they? Do we think that they're Democratic, like, like consultants, lobbyists, trolls, or are they real people who are just like angry that you've offended their dear leader? It's probably a combination. I'm sure that those groups feed off of one another. I'm sure there's some sort of sci-op element to it a little bit. But I think that people genuinely got very upset.

And it's this terrible irony, I guess, a lot of the same people who, when I report critically on Donald Trump, if I utilize anonymous sources, let's say, in service. to reporting on Donald Trump, reporting on his campaigns or his White House in the most accurate way that I can. Those people will praise you to the high heavens for doing that. If you utilize any of those same methods to report critically on establishment Democrats and on President Joe Biden, you are just raked over the coals for it. So there's this total, you know, these two universes that these people operate in when it comes

to how they judge the veracity of reporting and whether or not reporting. is okay at all when it comes to a Republican or whether when it comes to a Democrat. And again, it's not something that surprised me. I've seen it a lot. I've been covering, you know, what exists of the Democratic primary over the course of the last year, a year and a half. I've been working on a project about Marianne Williamson. So I've seen that from kind of that vantage point a lot during that process unrelated to my work for New York Magazine. And so I wasn't surprised by any of this. I was a little surprised by how tiny the outrage was and how Bloomberg reacted to it anyway.

I did think that that was, you know, sad and, like, deeply amusing. But these companies are risk-averse. They're trying to avoid risk, and there's some irony. I think they want characters, they want personalities like you guys, who have big followings or who are perceived as being influential. And then when they get that, they're terrified about the actual implications of that. Yeah, so that part I'm totally familiar with. Bloomberg as an example but it could be anybody really it's almost all the major

media companies are like oh we want exactly like you said we want your following but we don't want how you got there we when you come here we want you to be boring insipid don't say any of the things you said before say the opposite well then you don't want me so let's just move on and you do your boring crap and I'll do my real reporting here but anyways but I want to come back to the blue maga because I'm curious do they do you think that they thought you were just lying and making up sources and you just had a personal grudge against Biden, so you just pretended he was old when he's actually young? Or did they know in your estimation that,

of course you're telling the truth, but they don't want you to tell the truth because then Biden might lose. So shh. I don't know. I think it's probably a combination of those things. I don't read everything that someone who's angry tweets at me. I shut my mentions off in 2016 and I haven't turn them back on. Sometimes I'll look at it of curiosity or I'll read the comments out of curiosity. New York Magazine happens to have a pretty robust and relatively intelligent comment section that I find pretty valuable to take a look at what they're all saying. So I do see some of it, but I don't, you know, obsess over refreshing my mentions or anything like that. I don't understand people who can live that way. But I think it was a combination. I also think, you know, context gets

lost. And in the context of the internet of like 2009 or the early, you know, 2010s, when I was genuinely a democratic activist, right, my job, I was an intern for a group where my job was to write, ghostwrite op-eds in support of the passage of the Affordable Care Act when I was in high school. And in my free time, I thought it was really funny to troll people who were Tea Party activists on the internet. And I would kind of tweet dumb things using their hashtag. And because of the way that I look, I think they thought that I was one of them. And that was just something I'd like to do of my spare time as a sort of an internet troll, as a teenager. And divorced from the context of that internet, though, of the Obama era, I guess I could see how, you know,

if some semi-respectable people you follow online in the year of our Lord 2024 say that I was earnestly a birther or something, taking those people seriously and not thinking too hard about, oh, what was the internet? like at that time? And does it really seem believable that, you know, a decade's worth of my journalism is refuted by some silly tweets from that period of time? But I kind of, I try and always talk to the smartest person in the room. And I have to hope that most people whose opinion I would value on any other subject would not be so, so naive and so gullible as to buy into that narrative. Yeah, I want to talk about that briefly, because Either the era of Donald Trump broke people's brains or we have like a serious competency

problem in America because I want to show the tweets that they weaponized against you. They're obvious jokes, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell their obvious jokes. By the way, the third option, which could be very likely, is intentionally misinterpreting your jokes, pretending like they're real and you meant it in order to paint you as some sort of races to get you fired. But here's one example. Kenyan anti-colonial shows teeth to small child, retweet White House, happy pie day. I mean, that's so obviously a joke. Here's another one. Do you think Obama ever gets tired of being a secret Kenyan Muslim lizard person who plots terror attacks from the White House? And by the way, they went back like over a decade in

order to find these tweets, potentially intentionally misinterpret them to paint you as some sort of races to try to get you fired. And luckily, they didn't scrap your series, but Bloomberg decided to scrap the PR campaign around your series, which is insane to me. But look, final question for me, Olivia, is there's this question of access, right? We talk about it here at TYT often. If you are too critical of a politician or a party, they're less likely to sit down and talk with you.

A lot of journalists are concerned about losing access. And I think that leads some to treat these politicians with kid gloves. You say that you're willing to put out these tough pieces. What has your experience been in terms of access after you put these pieces out? You know, the Biden White House, or I guess it's just sort of the Biden inner circle, never really got over my coverage of him during the 2020 campaign cycle, or the primary cycle, rather.

You know, I wrote at the time that there were concerns implicit or explicit about his ability to stay agile and alive for four more years. You all remember, I'm sure, better than a lot of other people remember that that was a big part of the conversation about whether or not he ought to be the

nominee in 2020. They never really forgot that or fully forgave it and they always treated me with skepticism. I have found them to be way more lockdown than other campaigns or other members of other political parties, certainly. Whereas I've found, I think leadership is determined by whoever is at the top. And I find that dealing with Trump, for instance, I have a big piece out today with interviews with Donald Trump, he got very mad at me about a year and a half, two years ago,

after an interview with me, he called me dumb as rocks, unattractive. He did the whole, like, you know, Trumpian name thing in response. to the peace. And I figured it would take a while for him to come back and do another interview with me, but I knew that he would because that's just sort of how he is. He lets out his temper and then he gets over it eventually, if you keep trying. And so there is a huge difference. And I really think it just depends on who the executive is in question and the kind of culture that they foster. And when it came to Joe Biden, I think he never really had a good relationship with the press. He blamed the press for his first presidential campaign, not going well for the plagiarism

accusations. He blamed the press for coverage of him going into the 2016 race and whether or not he should run to be the Democratic nominee. And he blamed the press for negative coverage of him during the 2020 primary. And they have a very bitter sort of attitude towards the media. And I think it's hurt them. I think it's very similar to Hillary Clinton, where this sort of impulse to protect yourself and protect your campaign and keep people who maybe are not totally with you away

actually makes you look paranoid and it prevents you from having a better relationship with the public because you're not talking to them directly as much. And I think we're seeing this already with Kamala Harris not being very accessible to the media. And I think long term it will negatively affect her campaign. Yeah, look, there's so many things that are so nuts. This is going to lead into the question. So number one, I think you guys, both you and Anna are too generous. to these folks, they're definitely lying.

They're definitely misinterpreting your joke on purpose. They're definitely trying to smear you. I've been through it many, many times. And then there are complicit people, tons of them in mainstream media, who love to take democratic lies and then print them and go, oh, golly gee, I didn't know it was a joke. Really? You're that dumb? Please. Okay, but having said that, that gets to my question,

which is the establishment, in my opinion, is, also in their own bubble. Not my opinion, it's a fact. Everybody's in their own bubble. So we always look at our own bubble and go wait. Are we sure we're right? What's objective reality, et cetera, right? I never see MAGA doing that. Donald Trump could, I mean, today they came out with Haitian immigrants are eating cats and dogs and they instantly, everybody instantly believed it, right? Insanity, right? But then in the Democratic bubble, in the blue MAGA, Biden is young and a dynamic behind the scenes. They instantly believe it. And they'll attack you if you don't, et cetera. But my question is, for the establishment that's in D.C.,

do, like, including mainstream media reporters who you know a lot of them, right? And including the mainstream politicians, Republican, Democrat. Do they understand how much they are hated in this country? Do they understand that they represent the status quo and that they, that most people think that they're giant liars because they keep saying that politicians are honest and they don't point out that they're all taking giant donor money and obviously doing what the donors want them to do, and that it's driving the country crazy, that they won't admit the most obvious thing in the world, overwhelming corruption, right? Do they have, my sense is that they don't realize that at all. They think that they're angels and they represent objective

reality and that there is nothing, there's nothing much wrong with the system or the status grow. So, but I, but you're in it a lot more than I am. So it's a legitimate real question. Like, do they have any idea that they're the establishment and that they're hated? Or do they not realize that at all? They realize it. I mean, I think it's, it is a monolith to some extent, but I, I think, you know, there are there are different people who are different levels of self-aware within that, right? David Foster Wallace gave a commencement address once, and he had this story about these two fish who were sort of swimming along and one of the fish says something about water to the other fish and the second fish says what's water it's sort of like

that right where I think people are so deeply in their little universe where they're seeing the same types of people all the time everyone is also in that universe I think it's very easy to not really question what you're doing and just just kind of keep swimming along not realizing what you're a part of. And I think a lot of group think really explains it more than malice and more than, you know, individuals choosing to do something bad or to be cowardly. And I think I realized this when I was reporting that Biden piece,

I hadn't been a part of the press pool. It's just not something that I do in my capacity as Washington correspondent. But I joined the press pool, which is like this traveling group of reporters who are always with the sitting president and they keep tabs on his movement. And I asked to join to go to some fundraisers so that I could see the president up close for this story. And while I was there,

I was talking to the other reporters who are people that I know, who are kind of common presence in this press pool, who are always in rotation. And I was shocked by the things and I was learning from them, just the things that for them were just totally normal parts

of covering the president. But to me just seemed like a scandal, right? Where the radio whaler from a network whose job is to get audio and give it out to the rest of the radio stations told me that often there's just not usable audio because the president doesn't speak very clearly. I was part of the reporters standing there listening to the president speak. I was straining my neck and trying to find a way to hear him just like everyone else was, even though none of the other speakers at the moment. this event were difficult to hear. And when I talked later to the rest of the members of the press pool, they said, oh, yeah, this is a common thing where, you know, we're all sitting around afterwards saying, did you hear that? Did he phrase it that way? Are you sure that's

what he said? Where in the audio exactly was that? And everyone's sitting around listening to their audio, trying to decipher it to figure out what on earth the president just said. I thought that this was remarkable and shocking and absolutely worth telling the world about in my story. But when you're in that every day, when you're part of a beat, you're a beat reporter. And this is true in general across the board, no matter what your beat is, a lot of things start to feel normal and start to feel like just a part of the job. And you don't have enough perspective to say this shouldn't be this way or it's remarkable that it is this way. And that's why, you know, I think there's a lot of value in coming in as a bit of an outsider and taking a look at this stuff for yourself. and then reporting back.

Yeah, Olivia, great conversation. It's just, it's nice to have, have a conversation where we have shared language on objective reality. So can you let our audience know when your interview shows when and where it is? It is on Bloomberg. You can see it for, on Bloomberg originals on streaming. I, you know, I hope you watch it, but it's, it's, I guess they would prefer that you didn't is really the answer well then let's do exactly what they don't want us to do

thank you for having me guys thank you Olivia we appreciate it all right we're going to take quick break guys we'll be right back All right, back on the show here, Jane Canana with you guys and also these wonderful people, Terry Zindler, Kimberly Wengner, they just hit the join button below the video on YouTube. We appreciate you guys. Jesse and Box gifted five subs, so they're American heroes. Now, I want to tell you about a couple of things that are coming up. First of all, Trump brackets has finally narrowed down the top 64.

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It is going to be monumentally important. And then I want to go to some of our members on t-y-t.com. Biden-flavored cornpox says, here's to James Earl Jones and African-American men with integrity, perform one of the few roles in the United States history that never typecast them as black or any bloody color, the voice of Darth Vader. It is ironic about you, that he played the main evil guy, but he did it in a way that that kind of gave pride and was divorced from. color. So that's great. Preston Park says, it's why the Charlie Kirk can have decent conversations

with Anna and Jenk at the conventions, but then he goes on his show to spew nonsense constantly. Yeah, I am a little amazed by that. I was amazed by the conversation in the first place. But then when I see him go back and go back to madness, I don't know. I don't know. Do better, Charlie. Come on. Like, come on. I mean, like that, again, if the migrant issue is an issue you care about, you want people to take you seriously, you can't be making up insane claims like this. I mean, who's going to trust you after you put out insane claims like that that are easily disproven? Yeah. So last couple here, Hesuits take the wheel says, is Donald Trump's, in Donald Trump's defense? Oh, sorry, that's the wrong one. It never ceased to amaze me how fully

grown adults can believe Trump's, it's only rigged if I lose logic. I know for real. I know, come on. He's already saying the election is rigged now, like now, right now. Because he's he's worried he's going to lose. Exactly. And when he was setting the stage up for another disaster like we experienced after the 2020 presidential. More riots, more madness, more crying, more, like, oh, you hate the guy. Here's why I could never vote for Donald Trump in a million years. Okay. And it's just who I am. I like leaders. Like I like strong leaders who want to do the right thing and lead. And when Trump does that, all he comes across as to me, first of all, someone doesn't respect our country. Someone doesn't respect our government. Someone who doesn't respect the American

people and who they prefer to win the election, obviously. That's without even needing to be said. But what also really bothers me is he looks like a little child throwing a temper tantrum. He does not look like a leader. He doesn't act like a leader. That's like another thing about him that bothers me. I would never support someone like that, whether it's Trump or any other politician. I don't want a politician who acts like a child. And he's obsessed with himself, doesn't care about anyone else. Yeah, I believe in honor. I believe in duty. I believe in, you know, respect. Like, all of that stuff that's supposed to be core tenets of conservatism. Like, what happened to that? Yeah, that's the thing I was going to say. I mean, it's interesting that you believe in that stuff.

When conservatives say that, like, honor is like the number one thing that they care about, Trump is the most dishonorable man I've ever seen in politics. And that's saying a lot. There's a lot of terrible politicians. He has no honor at all. He doesn't care about reality. And guys, he doesn't know anything. He doesn't know how the government works. I mean, who writes after an election? Maybe we should terminate the Constitution. Like, even if you're dictatorial, like, that's not a thing. The fact that he doesn't know that we can't just decide to terminate the Constitution, there's no process for terminating a Constitution. He's so dumb, it drives me crazy. All right, last two things here, Cerber's Dragon says about the interview we just said,

this is the kind of BS Anna goes through for reporting the news. So glad TYT booked this interview. Thank you. Appreciate that. You know, I know that at some point in the past, I've been critical of Olivia Nuzzi. And look, I've grown so much in recent years. I don't even know if I would agree with my criticism toward her from the past. But I will say this, I personally needed to have that conversation.

because I give her a lot of credit for being willing to just remain neutral in regard to what she prefers and do the honest reporting that's necessary to inform people. Democratic voters deserved to know the truth about Biden. And the fact that they tried to hide it from people is just incredibly gross to me. We need journalists like Nuzi that will tell the truth, regardless of the attacks that she's going to get. So, okay, I'll read the rest of the comments later, but I've got to say one thing about that. Guys, so you see, I just told you, I loath Donald Trump.

And if you watch Young Turks on a regular basis, you know that with every viver you're being, right? But when Trump does something right, I say that is correct and I give him credit. I might like a Democrat, but if he does something wrong, I say that's wrong. And I tell you why it's wrong. Because it's one thing to want one thing and to prefer one thing. It's another thing to lie or be honest. And so I choose to be honest with you. But if you, so like you, the audience, not, look, our audience is amazing.

But I'm saying this at large to all the audiences out there. You've got to make a choice. Do you want to listen to a propagandist or do you want to listen to people who are honest about the news? And a lot of people, okay, you want to pick propagandists, no problem, okay? But I understand that you're listening to a propagandist. And if you want reality and people trying their hardest to find out what's true, then pick a news show, right? And I don't mean mainstream media.

I mean any news show that you think is trying really hard to get to objective reality. Okay, we've got to take another break here. We'll be right back.