The Young Turks - Surrender Or Starve

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. I don't care about you. I just want you vote. I'm so upset. Oh my God. Begah! All right, welcome to the young Turks, Jake U Granic experiment with you guys. All right, look, there's about three weeks before the election, so lots of

madness going on. Got to break it down for you guys. Latest on the race and how it's going, correct answer is not well. But we do have some good Tim Walls highlights today. So hang in there for that. So some good news and bad news. As usual, of course, you know, we're going to have to start with super serious international news. But after that, we do get to a lot of campaign news here. and I think some very relevant things are happening right now that you got to know about. Okay, so having said that, Anna, let's get started. Yeah, so let's begin with that international news, and I'm sad to say that it is not cheery or positive at all. What the Israelis are trying to do in the northern part of the Gaza Strip is to empty it, basically, to send the citizens

who are there, we are talking about 350,000 to 400,000 to the south. It goes hand in hand with the plan or the agenda of those settlers who are in government, there are ministers who are settlers who want to resettle the northern part of the Gaza Strip. The IDF has ramped up its military operations in northern Gaza, and according to to reporting directly from Israeli media, there's an ominous reason for that. Insider sources in the Israeli military say that they've all but abandoned hopes of a hostage deal with Hamas and have also set their eyes on essentially grabbing land in Gaza instead. Oh, and allegedly eradicating Hamas.

As Haretz reports in closed room discussions, senior defense officials say the chances of reaching a hostage deal appear slim right now. One of the reasons cited is that since negotiations were suspended, there has been no discussion among international players involved in the talks. I mean, as we've known, one of the main reasons is the Netanyahu government has absolutely no interest in engaging in ceasefire negotiations in good faith or reaching a ceasefire deal. In addition, Israel's political leaders haven't held any discussions with these security branches about the condition of the hostages. So they have all been, they've been abandoned by the Israeli government.

Let's be clear about that. Instead of focusing on returning the captives, they've been escalating military operations in northern Gaza. Last night, for instance, there was an IDF strike on a school in Gaza where Palestinians were sheltering. That ended up killing 22 people, including. of course, children. And this morning, a strike hit outside Alaksa hospital, killing five people and injuring about 70 others, some very severely. Tents caught on fire and residents were carried

to, residents were carrying injured individuals to the hospital. And there was also a horrific video showing one man who was burned alive, Ivy drip attached to him and everything. Army commanders, in the field who spoke with Heretz, say the recent decision to launch operations in northern Gaza was taken without any in-depth discussion. They said it appeared that the operations were aimed principally at pressuring local residents who were again told to evacuate the area for the coast as winter is approaching. And remember, upward of 80% of all buildings in Gaza have been leveled, completely destroyed. Keep that in mind when you also consider the fact that winter is coming.

coming. But wait until you hear about the surrender or starve plan. We're going to get to that in just a moment. But first, Jank, thoughts. Yeah, that's what I wanted to go to first, actually, because, you know, they've cut off aid to northern Gaza since October 1st. So the starvation plan has begun already. Before we get to it, though, let me just say, look, I know that for the rest of the planet, it's already super clear what Israel is doing. The right to self-defense was an excuse they used 12 months ago. Now it's been a year of brutal slaughter after slaughter and relocating the Palestinians and the ethnic cleansing and the nonstop bombing of their neighbors. So the only people left that are to address to get this change of the peoples

that are in power, right? So the people in power here in America and people in Israel. And so for those folks, they think that Israel is still defending themselves. But one, Once they do this operation and they take northern Gaza, or they take southern Lebanon or they take both, remember, it's not like Israel's going to admit it, they're going to have a whole new set of talking points, oh, we had to take half of Gaza for security reasons and boy, any of creating border zone, and this is the only way to keep us safe. But remember, every imperial power has said when taking land that they were doing it for self-defense. So there's going to be no excuse left once this is pure ethnic cleansing, pure theft of land.

So if you say, hey, look, in the old days, you conquer land, you keep it, that's what you do. And a lot of people with social media, probably mostly Israeli bots and trolls, but some real people who are Israeli supporters who say, yeah, of course, why not? Take their land. Take their land. All right, at least you're being honest about it, okay? But that's in the old days. And we were trying to get past the old days. Why were we trying to get past the old days?

Because in the old days, there would be things like the Holocaust, where you would say, hey, you know what? I'm going to create World War II here, and I'm going to take the Sudanan land. I'm going to take Poland. I'm going to take all this land. And if anybody's in my way, I'm going to kill them. And then I need a scapegoat like the Palestinians. I mean, in that case, it was the Jews.

And so I'm going to say that there are the dangerous people, and they're going to destroy all of us unless we kill them first. And then so, and then you go. to kill them all. So it's not like we haven't seen this movie. And I don't mean to say, like right now, six million Palestinians have been killed only 42,000. But remember when they started doing the carpet bombing of Gaza, even the released hostages, Israeli hostages say today, we thought we're going to get killed. We didn't understand why they were dropping bombs on the buildings we were in. And the reason is, because they didn't give a damn about the hostages.

And now they're saying basically, yeah, the hostages are dead. don't care about them. We want the goddamn land. And so keep it real. It's about land. And if you don't understand that, you're either deeply biased or you just haven't realized the pattern that's happening here that is super obvious to the rest of us. So let's talk a little bit about the surrender or starve plan. So it is possible that the military operations that are currently taking place in northern Gaza are essentially laying the groundwork for this so-called surrender or starve plan. Now, this plan was devised by a retired major general by the name of Giora Island and

was recently presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, it calls for all residents of northern Gaza to be evacuated within a week to so-called humanitarian zones in southern Gaza. Those who choose to remain would be considered Hamas militants, even if they're not Hamas militants, even if they are elderly people who are immobile, even if they are severely injured individuals who aren't able to evacuate, even though they might be individuals who have nowhere else to go for shelter, for safety. They would be essentially military targets because they would be considered Hamas militants even if they're not. Now, they would be cut off from humanitarian aid and they would face hunger. And Israel would then maintain control over the

north for an indefinite period of time, meaning forever. Okay, that is the plan. Now, Island says that the only way to stop Hamas and bring an end to the war is to prevent its access to aid. This is a direct quote. I am not making this up. I'm going to read it verbatim. Here's what Giora had to say. They will either have to surrender or to starve. It doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to kill every person. It will not be necessary. People will not be able to live there. The water will dry up. Okay. So if you were offended by my earlier German analogy, sad day for you, this is exactly what the Germans did. It wasn't what they did at the end, but it was, we're not even at the beginning anymore,

now we're in the middle. So, but they're not militants, and in fact, remember, we're getting this from Heretz, who's getting it from sources inside the Israeli Defense Department, Israeli defense officials and intelligence officials shouldn't bet officials, right? Their own government saying, what are we doing? Are we really gonna kill all these people? Are we really gonna take this land and then try to hold it? Yep.

And we're really gonna slaughter them all, we're gonna starve them, are you guys serious? And so they're going to the Israeli press going, they're serious. They're actually going to slaughter them all or starve them to death just to take the land. With our blessing by the way. Yeah, and our money, and our money. So we're paying for that genocide. And now anyone who says it isn't a genocide is totally delusional, utterly delusional. So there's, like, there's nothing left, guys.

All there is is just nonsense talking points, justifying over the top, old school colonialism, vicious imperialism, trying to take land. If you're outraged by Putin trying to take land in Ukraine, wait to get a load of Net in Yahoo all over the Middle East. I want to go to Aron Bregman, who is a teaching fellow at King's College London and a former Israeli military officer.

Here he is describing what he believes will happen in Gaza. I know exactly what's going to happen in terms of the dynamic. They will empty the northern part of the Gaza Strip. They will establish military camps. They are connected to electricity and water. And then settlers will move in. That's the long-term plan. So you have Galant, who is the Israeli Minister of Defense, told U.S. Secretary of Defense

Lloyd Austin that the IDF is not carrying out this plan, it's just that everything that you see transpiring in northern Gaza at the moment is a coincidence in that it's exactly what the plan describes, but they're not carrying out the plan. Yeah, that's why Israeli defense officials and shin bet officials are going in a panic to the Israeli press saying it is the plan, it is the plan, right? And that is the idea that Israeli defense officials and shin benefits officials would be saying watch out for Israel and the current government is going to ethnically cleanse these people. That means Israel has jumped a shark months ago. They're desperate at this point to get you the news.

We're about to do something horrific. And so it's not about to, by the way. They started on October 1st. So how could it be a coincidence when you say, oh, the surrender or starve plan is a coincidence? But I stopped allowing food and water into northern Gaza two weeks ago. That's not a coincidence. That's just the direct action that you took. So in the context of all this guys, now when you look at the fact that the IDF and the Israeli government, again, according to the Israeli president, no one disputes this anymore, knew about October 7th and chose not to do anything about it.

Their official explanation is, we didn't think they could really do it. But currently, we see that Israel has incredible intelligence operation, right? So they just missed the biggest attack on Israel ever, even though they knew about it, but chose not to do anything. Then you see all of a sudden the excuse, as Naomi Klein again, brilliantly explains in her piece, about, oh, we are the victims. We were forced to defend ourselves. And since we're defending ourselves, we're allowed to take. as much land as we like and kill as many Palestinian and Arabs as we like, and coincidentally invade other countries that are nearby and maybe take their land as well.

Right. And remember, it took the IDF a long time to even respond to what happened on October 7th because all of the soldiers were stationed near the West Bank. I mean, really, you're not going to have any military station near Gaza? You know, even if you think that Hamas didn't have the capability to carry out the kind of attack they did on October 7th, wouldn't you as prime minister want to ensure that you have a security presence near Gaza just in case Hamas has that capability? Let alone the fact that it took them hours and hours and hours to get there while people were being killed and sexually assaulted and taken hostage. And the IDF was nowhere to be found for an enormous period of time. But I'm sure that also was a giant coincidence.

But it doesn't matter whether you think October 7th, they let it happen on purpose. Not all of Israel, obviously, the people in Israel that got killed didn't want to be killed. The people who were taken hostage didn't want to be taken hostage. We're talking about government officials. Guys, it's never about ethnic identity. North Korea and South Korea are the same exact identity. They have two very different governments that lead to two very different results. And North Korea, they have concentration camps just like Israel does in Gaza, okay?

It isn't because of their ethnicity. It's because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And as they're doing this insane lunatic plan with a deeply right wing government of Israel, America is going, atta boy, here's more money and more money and more money. And if you kill more and you take more land, we're going to send you even more money. And right now, by the way, we're amping up Israel's defense forces, but we say because some Hezbollah rockets got through and they're like, wow, it's happened like, I can't believe it.

It turns out we might lose one or two people. In fact, in this case, they lost four soldiers. Wait, I thought Hezbollah was vicious terrorists who only wanted to kill civilians. Why did they target at a military base? Wounded 61, killed four. Okay, so by the way, the kill ratio of civilians to fighters for Israel is way, way, way worse in Hamas or Hezbollah while they pretend to be innocent. So guys, at the end of the day, right now, Israel is executing this plan exactly as the

people inside the Israeli government have warned us. They are not a monolith, but we do have a fringe, lunatic part of the Israeli government that has taken over completely. And if we keep sending them money, they're going to keep doing this plan. And then we're all going to be morally responsible for one of the worst genocides of our lifetime. Well, we will continue sending them money. Both political parties support what is currently happening in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Lebanon, in Syria, potentially a full-blown war with Iran.

There is no difference between the two political parties on this issue. So I am disgusted by the fact that we are morally culpable for what's happening. but the American people apparently have absolutely no choice. You have a uniparty on this issue, and that's it. We've got to take a break when we come back. We'll talk about the alleged third attempt on Trump's life. We'll be right back. All right, back on T.Y.T. Jank, Anna, a little Nikki 160. We're live from the Polymarket

studios here in L.A. and Zoro Lucius Callum, thank you so much, brother, for gifting five Young Turks memberships on YouTube. Anna. All right. Well, let's get to our next story. He showed up with multiple passports with different names, an unregistered vehicle with fake license plate, and loaded firearms. I, I, I, you know, If you're asking me right now, I probably did have deputies that prevented the third assassination attempt, that we have lost sight of common sense and reality and reason, that we can't say that, holy crap, what did he show up with all of that stuff for and loaded guns? And we're going to, and I'm going to be accused of being dramatic.

We have a serious, serious problem in this country. I saw some of you there yesterday. You didn't have guns and fake IDs. I don't know, I don't know how else to explain it. That was Riverside, California sheriff Chad Bianco, and he might have jumped the gun by identifying a man who was arrested at a Trump rally in Coachella, California, as a would-be Trump assassin. Now, I'll get to all the reasons why that might be the case in just a moment, but if true, that would make him the third would-be Trump assassin, and luckily his plot would be a foyer. by law enforcement. Now, the sheriff gets super defensive while speaking to reporters, which you want to stick around for. That video is incredible. But first, here is the context of the story.

So Bianco explains why authorities were suspicious of the man who was eventually arrested and identified as a 49-year-old named Vem Miller from Nevada, Las Vegas to be specific. He was apparently driving a black SUV. Here's what Bianco had to say. As he got to the inside perimeter where deputies were conducting obviously a more thorough evaluation of the vehicles that were coming in. There were many irregularities that popped up. The deputy noticed that the interior of the vehicle was in quite disarray. The vehicle had an obviously fake license plate and that prompted further investigation from our deputy into why the person was where, why the person was there and what he was doing. During that investigation,

investigation. The deputy eventually found multiple passports with multiple names, multiple driver's license with different names. The vehicle was unregistered, and the license plate was what we in law enforcement would recognize as one that is homemade and indicative of a group of individuals that claim to be sovereign citizens. Yeah. So that's a very dangerous group. but it is not anti-Trump. So I don't want you to not see the rest of video and not realize this was not an assassination attempt. The sheriff jumped the gun there.

I understand why, because of the facts that he laid out there, I'd be very nervous about it too if a guy with fake ID and a bunch of guns shows up at a Trump rally. But as it turns out, he's an enormous Trump supporter. Anna's got the rest of you. So the man is identified as Vem Miller. He's from Las Vegas. He denies that he is part of the sovereign citizens. He calls that ridiculous and he also claims that he's a huge Trump supporter.

In fact, I want to skip ahead to the video featuring Miller talking about why he had guns in his vehicle as he was attempting to attend a Trump rally in Coachella, California. Let's watch. Decided to come to Coachella after receiving a special invitation from members of the Nevada Republican Party. I will fully transparently let them know that in the trunk of my car, I carry two firearms. One is a Glock, one is a shotgun. And these two firearms that I carry with me are simply for protection. So he also spoke to Fox News Digital in a phone interview and said that he has never fired his guns. He said that he started keeping them with him after he started getting death threats,

although he didn't elaborate on what he meant by those death threats or who was threatening his life. He's quoted as saying, I've literally never even shot a gun in my life. I don't know anything about guns. I am beyond a novice. He denies that he's a sovereign citizen, calling the claim that he is ridiculous. Miller claimed that all the fake IDs and passports that he had in his car were actually not fake. He just uses, you know, different versions of his name. He kind of sounds crazy to me, to be honest.

Like, Miller says that he's Armenian and has documents that use his full Armenian name and documents that don't. Because using those documents in some places around the world could get him killed, referring to campaigns over the centuries to murder Armenians. Now, what about the fake press credentials? You know, he had fake press credit. He was trying to get in as part of the press. Miller said that he has been a 30-year member of the media and started work after graduating from high school. He has also worked on music videos and TV shows with major artists and launched America Happens Network to combat censorship in media.

Now, Miller also says that he used to identify as a Democrat, especially when he was growing up and that he thought Barack Obama was going to save us from needless wars and censorship. He says, quote, I'm certainly more Republican now, he says, and described. himself as a business partner, himself and his business partner is more libertarian. Yes, I'm 100% of Trump supporter, Miller said, adding that he was all in with Trump by 2018. And in fact, there are photos of him alongside Vivek Ramoswamy and other Republicans who are on the national scene. So I happen to believe him when he says that he is a supporter of Donald Trump and the Republican Party overall. Yeah, look, he's not an interesting person. Definitely not a shooter, definitely not anyone trying to hurt Donald Trump or assassinating.

Besides which, they let him out on $5,000 bail. He's doing videos now because he's back home. Here's who no cops, no matter what the situation is, is letting out of jail. Someone who's about to assassinate the president. Okay, that's never going to, that's not the thing that happens. It's never happened. So obviously they got it wrong. And so it's just a normal right wing knucklehead.

And by the way, this is exactly what I told you guys would happen. Because the minute one or two guys took a shot at Trump, all of a sudden, Republicans are going to realize, hey, don't we need some sort of gun control? Because we don't mind if you guys get killed or your kids get killed. But this is the beloved Donald Trump. And then they're going to start checking for guns and they're going to realize, oh, right, it's right wingers. There's guns everywhere. And they're going to start arresting all sorts of people with loose guns. And that's exactly what happened here.

You think there's going to be a Trump rally and nobody's going to show up with guns? So he is facing state charges over the illegal guns in his car. However, if he was really thought to be a would-be assassin, the feds would charge him. Yeah, he hasn't been charged. Yeah, let's just even stop the conversation. I know, Jake, I'm just given everybody the information they need to know to know without a shadow of a doubt that he's not a would-be assassin. And you're right to do that because I guarantee you 40% of the right wing will believe that he was an assassin sent in by a Iran or China or Biden or Elmo for the rest of their lives, which brings us to Trump lying

about how the people that were targeting him might have been from different countries. Because why not store up hatred and insanity while you're at it? Yeah, so he was being interviewed on the flagrant podcast hosted by Andrew Schultz. And during that conversation, Trump was talking about the assassination attempts and who might be behind the assassination attempts, and he floated two different countries. The first is Iran, and honestly, I don't blame Trump for thinking that because the Biden administration has put out unverified claims that Iran is trying to assassinate Donald Trump.

And then you have Trump claiming that possibly China might be attempting to assassinate him as well, although he kind of like pivoted away from China and then hyper-focused on Iran. And remember, he did assassinate Iran's top general. some Soleimani. So it's not far-fetched that Iran would want to retaliate. But that is what he said during this conversation. Okay, but there's absolutely no public evidence that Iran has tried to do that. And there's no public evidence at all that China's tried to do that. In that case, there's not even the Biden administration BSing about it. So now, why would the Biden administration BS about an Iran attempt on Trump? Especially when it is plausible, right? Because they want to

help Israel start a war against Iran. So they're like, oh, Iran's so dangerous. Two white guys shot at Trump, or one of them didn't even get off shot. The one who did get off the shot and was killed by the Secret Service was a right winger. So Iran's working with right wing unhinged maniacs here. Do you have any evidence of that? No, but he's Donald Trump. So he's going to say it.

Most important part of that conversation and the interview that Donald Trump had was he said, said that any country that he thinks is doing that should be blown to smithereens. But Donald Trump is a lunatic conspiracy theorist. So if he thinks, oh my God, I'm being targeted by Iran, by the way, how easy would it be for Israel to get this idiot to think he's being targeted by Iran and have him absolutely destroy Iran and get us into a gigantic war in the Middle East? We're going to get into a gigantic war with Iran anyway because. Israel wants it and anything Israel wants, the United States government, whether it's run by a Democrat or Republican, they will get. They will get. Okay. So that doesn't matter. Everyone should be

prepared for the U.S. engaging in a hot war with Iran. Get ready for that because that's what's going to happen. And it doesn't matter if it's going to be a Democrat in charge or a Republican in charge. Yeah. Go ahead. So, but as usual, Donald Trump will nonstop conspiracy theories. What if the lunatic thinks that China's targeting him with absolutely no evidence? But does he need evidence for saying that people are eating cats and dogs and all the other lunatic things he's made up. So what's he going to do? Get us into a hot war with a nuclear country? So, okay, I don't know. It just, look, the people who took shots at him were tried to. Worst people in the world. What do you, it's so stupid, morally strategically, in every way, so, so dumb.

And now it's given him cause to say, could be, could be. My enemies could be targeting me. I need to strike back. And so we're all in for a world of pain here. reeling from the damage caused by hurricanes, and now there are rumors of militia members getting in the way of relief efforts. So without further ado, let's take a look. According to the Washington Post, an urgent message was sent to numerous federal agencies on Saturday, warning FEMA has advised all federal responders in Rutherford County, North Carolina, to stand down and evacuate the county immediately. Adding that National Guard troops had come across trucks of armed militia, saying they were out hunting FEMA.

Well, that explosive Washington Post report has been making headlines, a lot of fear that relief efforts are being hindered by militia members. But you should keep in mind that we do not know all the details of this story. There are some conflicting reports, including whether or not those militias were actually real. Now, let's go over what we do know. On Saturday, an official working with the U.S. Forest Service sent the following email to other federal agencies. FEMA has advised all federal responders in Rutherford County, North Carolina, to stand down and evacuate the county immediately. National Guard troops had come across two trucks of armed militia saying they were out hunting FEMA.

Now, two other anonymous officials confirmed that email was real, but did not confirm or deny the existence of militia members threatening, you know, relief efforts or members of the U.S. Forest Service. A third official stated that FEMA workers had to pause their work from Saturday until Sunday. And it's also worth noting that a lone individual in North Carolina was in fact arrested for making threats against FEMA. but it does not appear or seem like he was linked to the alleged militia threats in this story. So in a statement to CBS News, the Rutherford County Sheriff's Office said they received a call Saturday afternoon that said a man with an assault rifle had made a comment about possibly harming FEMA employees working on recovery efforts in the Lake Lour and Chimney Rock area. The sheriff's office stated that the initial report stated there was a truckload of militia that was involved. However, after further investigation, it was determined the man acted alone and there were no truckloads of militia going to Lake Lur. So that initial report could have been the source of the U.S. Forest Service officials claim about militias, but that's just speculation.

So it's really unclear if there is a threat, and if there is a threat, how big of a threat is it? I've got more details, but Jank, I want to give you an opportunity to jump in. Yeah, I don't want you to make the mistake of thinking that this one arm guy was the only threat. A bunch of threats have been called in in different places and they've had to stop, you know, carrying out aid in different places. And it's not just FEMA, it's the Forest Services. In fact, one person from the Forest Services said, when we go to, to help people, it's 51.49. 51 saying, oh, thank you for the help. I appreciate it. Thanks for showing

out. And 49%, basically, half of the people are saying, oh, we heard about you FEMA guys. We don't want your stupid help. Okay, I mean, that's what Donald Trump has done. The people who need to help are rejecting it because he told them that the people coming to help them is deep state because he's a lying ass and he only cares about himself. He doesn't care if you get aid. Are you crazy? In fact, there's a whole pattern here where he's trying to make sure you don't get the aid so that he could blame the Democrats and it'll be better for his campaign.

Just like he did with immigration. The Democrats said, okay, we'll pass your version of the bill. And then he said, oh, well, that might help Biden. So I want the problem to continue. So no, vote no on the bill. So in this case, he says, oh, FEMA might be coming to her. you and take your land and stuff, so then people start rejecting FEMA, and then they don't get the relief. And when that happens, they then turn around and go, see FEMA's not coming to

help you because it's a Republican area. And then people go, see, see, no, not see. You've got to see for the first time in your life if you're MAGA. Donald Trump is a con man using you as his mark. He thinks you're a sucker. So he's like, okay, yeah, the government is about to help you recover from the force, from not only the hurricane, but help you save your life. They saved over 3,000 people. But Trump told them, no, no, no, no, no. They're coming to hurt you because they want to hurt Trump. Make sure you vote against Democrats.

Vote for me. And if you die along the way, who cares? I'll probably get more votes. So he started politicizing the aftermath of Hurricane Helene by claiming that FEMA was not being sent to Republican areas of the country. country that was impacted by Helene because the Biden administration doesn't want to help Republicans, which was a lie. And so this, look, situations like this where people desperately do need help should not be politicized, especially for political gain in a presidential election,

but I think I'm asking for too much considering where we are as a country right now. Now, according to the Washington Post, residents of Rutherford County have allegedly been making threats against FEMA on social media as well. Chimney Rock in Russia. Rutherford County, for instance, has become one of the centers of tension and conflict after a rumor spread on social media that government officials plan to seize the devastated village and bulldoze bodies under the rubble. Authorities and news outlets debunked the assertion, but people still took to social media imploring militias to go after FEMA. So Jordan Monaghan, who is a deputy communications director for North Carolina's governor, Roy Cooper, stated,

are aware of significant misinformation online and reports of threats to response workers on the ground and the safety of responders must be taken seriously. And the Ash County Sheriff's Office also posted about this yesterday, saying that recently in the mountain region, there have been threats made against FEMA. This has not happened in Ash County or the surrounding counties. Out of an abundance of caution, they have paused their process as they are assessing the threats. So these threats do end up hindering relief efforts, which is devastating for people who desperately need relief efforts, people who desperately need help. And so there's that. And then final part of this is, you know, last Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported that white supremacist groups like Patriot Front have been active in North Carolina and Florida communities that have been affected by the hurricanes. You know, we had Hurricane Helene, and then after that, Hurricane Milton.

And obviously, you know, there are some questions about what their real motive is. These militia groups offer aid while filming propaganda videos that both amplify falsehoods about the government response and help the groups remake their image as patriotic civic organizations for men. The Patriot Front or a Patriot Front member, for instance, said the following in one such propaganda video. So it is important for American men to gather and help fellow Americans in need while the federal government is occupied ushering in foreigners and giving them homes and giving them food and giving them water. So, you know, further, you know, increasing tensions, spreading misinformation while obviously also creating these propaganda videos that worsen the situation. But I can't tell a difference between the white supremacist's video and the Trump video. Trump's saying the same exact thing.

He's saying, oh, they're giving it to the immigrants instead of giving it to you. And they're gonna take your stuff and give it to immigrants. So that's why the Republican governors and mayors on the ground are like, what are you doing? Why are you saying things that are obviously and ridiculously untrue? You're hurting our constituents who are almost all Republican. Why are you making up these outrageous lies on the immigration issue? Those are two separate parts of the agency and they have two different budgets and they cannot intermingle. They cannot take one portion of the budget and send it to the other portion of the

budget. It's not legal. But it doesn't matter because Donald Trump's a ridiculous, pathetic liar. And the fact that the mainstream media and the establishment in this country so loathed has given an opportunity for a con man like Donald Trump to take advantage and to tell you, you know what? They're not just lying about politicians being wonderful heroes who are not affected by money, et cetera. They're lying about everything. They're going to take your house. The only one who can protect you is me. The con man who started Trump University and Trump charity, which were both fake so I could con people who believed in me.

So one more thing about this, two more things actually. One, the truckloads aren't true, but it's very understandable why they thought that, because they hear a report about a guy who is armed coming for them. And then it's a game of telephone because the army first hears that at a gas station, somebody in the army from a good Samaritan, right? And then he tells another agency, and then they tell a third agency, so they start to panic. And so whenever they get a threat that they've got to move them out, because if you get a threat and you don't listen to it and you leave those FEMA or forest service agents in there,

and then people come and kill them, well then that's on you. And there's people are going to say, what the hell? And then nobody's going to sign up for FEMA. It's better to be safe than sorry, but obviously the threats are again hindering incredibly important relief efforts. But Jay, going back to what you said about, you know, the media and the level of distrust that the public has in the media and its reporting overall, you're right about that, right? That's why people do turn to social media and are far more likely to believe, you know, false rumors as opposed to following what the, you know, legacy media

is reporting on what's happening on the ground. The other thing I want to just bring up is, Look, this does create an opening for groups like Patriot Front because there's a lot of distrust toward the government. There's a lot of distrust that the government is actually going to help the American people. And that's not something new. That is something that has been a problem in this country for a long time, not without merit. You get what I'm saying? Of course. Look, here, I'll break the brain of a giant portion of the country. Our members understand this.

That's why they support this show and allow us to speak the truth. But it's possible that the mainstream media and the establishment and Donald Trump are both full of crap. I know for the Democrats, they've never once considered, well, Trump's a monster, Trump's a monster. But maybe my establishment and Democrats are also lying to me. Maybe they also take donor money and sell out, et cetera. never occurred to them. And for the MAGA guys, well, I know the establishment of mainstream media is full of crap. Congratulations, you've figured out half the puzzle.

I'm really proud of you. But Donald Trump, who's done every fake thing in the world, has run every con in the world. Literally had to pay a $25 million fine for the Trump University scam, right? And it's kicked out veterans from in front of Trump Tower because he's like, I don't like the way they make my tower look. And you think he's for veterans, you think he's for you? No, they're both full of crap. What is it going to get through your head?

It's so frustrating to do news and have this giant chunk of the country on both sides just be like, nope, the other side is the only one that's evil on my side always tells the truth. So last thing, guys, this is a little bit of an aside. But the guy that actually had the guns was arrested for, quote, going armed to the terror of the public, which is apparently a charge, okay? So he's out now on $10,000 bail. Now, I want you to imagine a Muslim guy saying he's going to go shoot people at a church.

And then they let him out on 10,000. And he's charged with going armed to the terror of the public. And he has the weapons. And they arrest him. And they're like, ah, don't worry about it. Out on $10,000 bail. I can imagine it happening with no cash bail. Yeah, well, look, no, not, not, I'm going to go shoot people, government agents or a church or whatever.

No, in that case, if you're Muslim, you're going to Guantanamo. If you're a minority, you're going to prison for a long, long, long time. But if you're a white right winger who's an idiot, Yahoo, threatening to murder government officials out on bail, $10,000. We'll say, hey, you're out on your own reconnaissance. No big deal. If you're a right winger, you get to start to murder everyone. What the hell is with this double standard? It's insanity.

So then, anyway, I don't want to get into the devolving mania that this is going to create, when one side of the country can threaten to murder other people and get away with it. It's, this is, we're heading towards chaos because American people hate the mainstream so much. They're going to elect an agent of chaos as the president. And we're going to have anarchy for four years under Trump. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, J.D. Vance had a fascinating interview with Martha Radd's over the weekend. And the topic of migrants came up.

So we're going to talk about that and more. Coming up next, don't miss it. I'm going to go on a tiny little rant here, sorry Anna. J.L. says on YouTube, I want you to get the Harris campaign to use your Trump brackets as a campaign ad. But we'll bring attention to TYT and intentions it needs to voters who still think Trump is trustworthy. I left this on your voicemail during the jangathon. JL, you're absolutely right. I don't know why they, I don't know if they're bitter or if they're ignorant. I don't know what the situation is. As I read you the comments, you see tons of undecided voters. No ads here. What are you doing? I mean,

this is, I, okay, I'm biased on that. So it is what it is, okay, but they're insane. They're like, oh, let's give it to friendly media companies who all or have already been brainwashed to vote for Democrats, giving billions more to those guys. Yeah, you'll get your ass. kissed a little bit more, but it's not going to win over any voters. But if they won't give to any show that, like, even just, they're not giving. It's just an ad. They're trying to reach our audience, right? They won't do it for any show that disagrees with Democrats at all. You idiot, how are you going to get undecided voters if that's your dumb, dumb, biased stupid policy? To be fair, Kamala Harris is going to be interviewed by Fox News on Wednesday. So that's something.

Okay, that's something. But again, they would rather give the right wing than progressive because progressive is the worst thing in the world. And it's not about giving guys. Okay, you want to lose the election, lose it. Same exact thing Hillary Clinton did. We have 27 million subscribers. And back then we had like 15 or whatever it was, right? And they're like, no, you have been disloyal.

We won't try to reach those people. Well, you moron, you lost. It isn't about me. It isn't about us. It's about do you want to win the election? Anyway, okay, let them do the stupid things that they do. Let's move on. All right, let's get to Martha Raditz's interview with J.D. Vance over the weekend.

The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment complexes, and the mayor said our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns. Do you hear yourself, only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs, and Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's open border, you seem to be more focused with nitpicking everything that Donald Trump has said, rather than acknowledging that apartment complexes in the United States of America are being taken over by violent gangs. Let's just end that with a did not invade or take over the city, as Donald Trump said. I want to move on to- Just a few apartment complexes, no big deal. ABC's Martha Rattitz attempted to fact-check Donald Trump during her weekend interview with Trump's VP pick, J.D. Vance.

In reality, she ended up downplaying Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado. Watch. The Republican mayor of the city said flatly the city and state have not been taken over or invaded or occupied by migrant gangs. So do you support Donald Trump making those claims that the Republican mayor says were grossly exaggerated and have hurt the city's identity and sense of safety? Well, Martha, you just said the mayor said they were exaggerated. Grossly exaggerated. There's got to be some element of truth here. And of course, President Trump was actually in Aurora, Colorado, talking to people on the ground.

And what we're hearing, of course, Martha, is that people are terrified by what has happened with some of these Venezuelan gangs. Senator Vance, I'm going to stop you because I know exactly what happened. I'm going to stop you. The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment complexes, and the mayor said our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns. A handful of problems. Only, Martha, do you hear yourself? Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs, and Donald Trump is the problem, and not Kamala Harris' open borders.

So Trump did say that the gangs had taken over the city, which absolutely is a gross exaggeration. But that is not what was debated initially. Initially, the original debate was about whether or not Venezuelan gangs had taken over apartment complexes. And everyone was gaslit to no end that, no, no, no, that's not true. That was completely made up. forward to this past weekend, and you have Martha Raditz say, no, no, it's it wasn't a big

deal. It was limited to a handful of apartment complexes. Okay. So, yeah, Anna, that's the frustration, both sides. Yeah, I'm going to lose my mind. Okay, by the way, this is the reason why I never apologized for our reporting on this story, because I knew I wasn't wrong. And I knew that eventually the truth would come out, and here we are. The truth came out, okay? And I kept following the story, by the way. I followed the story when everyone else stopped paying attention to it and the Aurora Police Department put out a press release about the Venezuelan gang members that they had identified and arrested. And I'll give you the details in just a moment. But do we care about people or not? Because a handful of apartment buildings being taken over by gang members

is a big problem. And I love how easily they just dismiss it like it's no big deal. Do we care about people or not? Do we care about people living in poverty or not? Okay, so let me do the Trump side and then the mainstream media side. So first of all, I mean, we're calling it an exaggeration, but is it really an exaggeration? So if they took over two or three apartment buildings or apartment, you know, apartment units. Right, thank you, Anna. That's one thing. But if you say instead of two or three, they took over eight or nine, that's an exaggeration.

And that's a big exaggeration. Taking over two in a little area, okay, that's something. Taking over nine feels like the whole city, et cetera, right? But he didn't say that. He said they took over the entire city. The city is now run by a Venezuelan gang. Which is ridiculous. So that's not an exaggeration.

That's a ridiculous lie. And it's said by a stupid person. But you know what? Maybe I'm wrong. Because no one's going to believe you that they took over Aurora, Colorado, when the Republican mayor of Aurora, Colorado comes out and says, we are entirely untaken over, right? But that's not true, 40% of the country will believe you immediately.

If you ask now about 100 million Americans, they'll tell you Venezuela runs over Colorado. Okay, and that's the problem with Donald Trump being a maniacal liar. Okay, now, to the mainstream media side. So now we've gone from... It's not happening at all. Totally made up. Totally made. All of it was totally made up. To now blithely just saying, oh, they just took over a couple of apartment complexes. wait, it is true. They did take over apartment complexes, just like we told you.

Okay, now wait, which side are we on? We're on the side of the truth. I know it's a revolutionary idea, right? So when Donald Trump said bloodbath, everybody in mainstream media and Democrats went nuts over it, we showed you to tape on day one and said no. He said economic bloodbath when talking about car companies. He did, look, you know how much I can't stand Donald Trump. I just told you how what a maniac is a second ago, right? But he didn't say bloodbath in regards to violence. He didn't, okay? But when we tell the truth, we have credibility when we then say, hey, no, they're not

eating cats. Haitian immigrants are not eating cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio. That's nuts, right? But mainstream media has lost all credibility. So now when they say, no, the town of Aurora, Colorado is not taking over, they don't believe them. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. When they gaslight about things that actually do happen because they're more concerned about how that news is going to hurt a particular political party, well, then they lose all credibility. And then no one trusts them when they're

reporting the truth about something. Okay. So yes, Trump definitely lied about gangs taking over the entirety of Aurora, Colorado. That's ridiculous. But it's also true. And now apparently everyone agrees, right? Even though we were gaslit about it previously, everyone now agrees that these gang members had taken over just a handful, just a handful of apartments. And by the way, the gaslighting was so insane when there was video evidence of what was going on, on the ground there. Yeah, but you know, don't believe your eyes, though. Don't believe your eyes. Don't believe all of the other previous reports before he became a big national story indicating that, you know, these gang members were a problem in certain parts of Aurora. Just don't believe any of that.

because, hey, we got an election to worry about. Yeah, whatever phrase you want to call them, I'm sorry that I haven't landed on one because every phrase I propose, everybody goes nuts, right? Online leftist, extreme leftists, whatever you want to call them. Well, they are in this, they're doing this in some ways the same thing as MAGA is doing, which is you find one piece of evidence and you go, aha, that confirms all my biases, right? So in the cats and dog story, Maga had a video of a woman, cops saying that a woman ate a cat, And they went, aha, and didn't realize she's not Haitian, she's American.

It wasn't Springfield, it was a different town, right? Because they just needed a shred to confirm all the biases, right? Now in the extreme left, you see a video of someone saying, the real problem is the landlord. The landlord's terrible here. The landlords are a problem, by the way. Yeah, hold on, let me finish. They are a problem. Two things are true.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah. So then the extreme left goes, aha, that's actually the landlord. And there's no Venezueling gangs at all. everybody's fine, no apartments were taken over, and we live in Shangola. No, both things can be true at the same time. I don't know when it's going to get through to people's heads. Two things can be true at the same time, okay?

So yes, they took over apartment complexes, and yes, the landlord sucks. Both things are true just because you saw one video, it doesn't negate the other videos and the other facts. and you just saw your beloved mainstream media confirm it. Now, while everyone else started paying attention to other news, they totally forgot about this, I kept following it, like I said, because I wanted to know what the truth was. And I didn't report on this to update the story because I didn't have a good opening to do it. It was weird to go back to this story. But after everyone was paying attention to other things, the Aurora Police Department puts out

the mugshots of the gang members that had been, not all of them had been arrested. yet. But at this point, they had identified the individuals and they had ties to Trenda Aragua. And I want to give you some specific details about some of the individuals that you see in these mugshots. So there's Larry Medina, who was arrested on July 10th by Aurora Police in connection with a July 2nd felony menacing at whispering pines condominiums. The victim reported to police. Medina pointed a firearm and threatened to kill them. Medina is a documented member of TDA. That's Trenda de Agua. No, Anna, I'm sorry, that didn't happen because the landlord's a bad guy. Okay, yeah, that's true. Yeah, okay, here's another one. Yoenri, Vilchese, Medina, Jose

was arrested on August 5th by the Arapaiho County Sheriff's Office on a warrant out of that district court. The warrant stemmed from an assault in November of 2023 at Whispering Pines condominiums, Medina Jose is a documented member of that same gang. Anyway, you guys could all go and read this for yourselves, but there's the truth, okay? There are exaggerations, and you need to figure out what's really happening. And this idea that we should just be like flippant, like just careless about the notion of apartment complexes being taken over by Venezuelan gangs is disgusting to me. Because either you care about vulnerable people, either you care about protecting people who live in poverty, or you don't.

And if it's politically inconvenient for you to do so, and so you just decide to pretend like it doesn't exist, well, then you don't really have any real values. Okay, let's keep it real. The gangs that were terrorizing those apartment complexes, whether they had been taken over in full or partially, wherever you want to land on that, okay? Whatever makes you feel better. But they were clearly terrorizing the people who originally had the apartments, right? Luckily, they were billionaires, and so it all worked out. Oh, right. No, they were working class people who are mostly also Venezuelan immigrants.

Exactly. And who we need to protect here. We need to protect them. So if you think you're helping immigrants by saying that we shouldn't protect other immigrants, you lost the thread and put up the mugshot one more time because I want to we just told you the reality of who these guys are. But when Donald Trump and his guys see this monk shot, they see the mayor, the governor, the head of police, because they think the town's been taken over by these guys, right? And when the leftists see this picture, they think they don't

exist. And we're stuck in the middle with you guys. I'm happy to be in the middle with you guys. I just don't like being stuck between two sets of people who refuse to acknowledge reality. All right. Let's take a break. We'll be back with the second hour.