The Young Turks - Talking To Trumpers

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, well of the Young Turks, Jane Cougar, Anna Kasparian with you guys. We've got a lovely show for you on this Thursday evening. Lovely, of course, is a subjective term. Mike Pence in a good fight, in a good fight with a MAGA person. Speaking of MAGA people, Michael sure went and talked to him.

That is going to be super interesting. We have amazing videos on that coming up. Only here, exclusive here. So stay right here. Casper. Well, I wanted to start off with some good news out of the state of Wisconsin because their Democratic governor seems to actually have some interest in funding certain services that should be funded, something that feels like Democrats have kind of abandoned overall,

but not in this case. So let's discuss. Using his veto powers, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers has signed a new state budget that increases funding for public education for the next 400 years. I'm not kidding. This is real. Here are the details. The surprise move will ensure districts' state imposed limits on how much revenue they are allowed to raise will be increased by $325 per student each year until 24, 25, creating a permanent annual stream of new revenue for public schools and potentially curbing a key debate between Democrats and Republicans during each state budget writing cycle. I love this. Okay, so let's talk

a little bit about how the governor was able to do this. Apparently, the veto power that he has here is part of a negotiation or some deal that he made with Republicans. Usually when it comes to Democrats, they're on the losing end of these negotiations, but certainly not in this case. So I want to show you a screenshot of the, or I should say a snippet of the budget itself. And the red indicates what the governor changed in the budget proposal. So Evers crafted the four century school aid extension by striking a hyphen and a from a reference to the 2024, 2025 school year, the veto was one of more than four dozen the Democratic governor made to reshape the $99 billion two-year state budget that Republicans

had passed last week. So he's able to make alterations to it and then sign it. And so among the vetoes, you should know about the other actions he's taken here, was the majority of the centerpiece of Republican lawmakers' budget plan, a 3.5 billion. dollar tax cut that focused relief for the state's wealthiest residents. The reshaped budget will provide 175 million in tax relief and won't condense the state's four income tax brackets into three as Republicans proposed, according to the governor. So just to kind of summarize that, I know there's a lot of wording there. What he decided to do was cut taxes a little bit, but not for the highest earners in the state.

He maintained some tax cuts for middle class earners while keeping taxes the way they are for higher earners in the state. He refused to condense the brackets from four to three, which obviously was meant to redistribute wealth from the bottom to the top. Honestly, that's usually the way it works. I have more details for you, but, Jank, what are your thoughts? Yeah, so first of all, I don't like this kind of executive authority where they go, okay, here's a bill. that's sent to me and George Bush started this. It was called a unilateral executive authority, right? And he goes, okay, well, I'm crossing this part out.

I'm just rewriting it entirely. Now the executive branch does it. The judicial branch does a different version of it. There were liberal activists on the Supreme Court. There are now conservative activists on the Supreme Court. They just keep taking laws and going, nah, I don't like it. I'm gonna change it to this, this and this, right? So that's not your job.

Having said all that, I love this. Wait, why? Because what do I tell you guys on the show all the time? Uneven playing field, right? The Republicans do tactics like this all the time, 24-7. And I always ask, hey, do we have governors? Are there blue states along with red states? So what's going on?

Can we somebody fight back? And so we did, in this case, Tony Evers did. So God bless them. So if they don't like it, they shouldn't have given them that authority. I don't think any governor should have that authority, whether he's a Democrat or Republican. So, okay, so they've decided to give him the authority and he decided to use it. Okay, sad day for you, Republicans, and that's how it works.

If you don't like it, go to any of the red states where they do stuff like this every single day. And I hear what you're saying, Jank, because, you know, whenever there's broad executive power at a time when your preferred politician, I mean, Tony Evers, he's got the Republicans, like, tied up. I don't know if they can go, he can hear it. There's someone like banging in a building next to us. Anyway. No, no, it's probably some idiot. But anyways, all right, let's keep going. But anyway, so Tony Evers is great.

And obviously he has the, a lot of the priorities that progressives would want. Certainly when it comes to things like keeping taxes the way they are for the highest earners, ensuring that there's adequate funding for public education for years, in this case, centuries to come. But what if some Republican gets elected in the future in a gubernatorial race? and has the same executive powers, right? You don't want that. So I can under, like you're looking far ahead in the downsides of this kind of executive power, and I totally concur with that.

That being said, I didn't want to focus too much on that component of it, because this is a giant win for progressives, for Democrats. I love what he did here. Yeah, and let me give you more context, too. So the Republicans vetoed a lot, struck down a lot of the things that the governor wanted, the Democratic governor, like expansion of Medicaid, expansion of, Of having paid family leave in Wisconsin, which would have been incredible for mothers. It's a great progressive priority, the great majority of the citizens agree with.

So they struck all that stuff down. So he's like, oh, you don't like that? Well, then I'm going to strike down your tax cuts for the wealthy. Sad day for you. You strike down things with the average man. I strike down things for your donors. And that's how we play this game. So the fact, I'm actually, I'm telling you, I'm floored by this.

I've never seen a Democrat fight back like this. It is amazing. Okay, I got to give you more details, right? because Republicans in the state are stewing. And so Robin Voss, who's a Wisconsin assembly member, a Republican, contradicts themselves in this statement, but here's the beginning of it. Vitoing tax cuts on the top two brackets provides hardly any tax relief for truly middle class families.

And then goes on to say, his decision also creates another economic disadvantage for Wisconsin, leaving our top bracket higher than most of our nation's. states, including Illinois. So what are your real concerns here, Robin? Is it middle class earners or the highest earners in the state of Wisconsin? Ah, it's the highest earners. How did we know? Because you just said it. Okay, yeah. Literally. You were like, okay, yeah, our top bracket, our beloved top bracket, almost all of our bribes. I mean campaign contributions come from that bracket. We have to serve that bracket. We're Republicans, the party of the rich. Wait, did I say that out loud? We're the party of grabbing power even when we didn't earn.

earn it and we didn't get enough votes, but now we're worried about Tony Ever's grabbing power. So look, we've got to end this kind of authority overall for Republicans or Democrats in the long run. But for now, thank you to Tony Everest for fighting back. First governor in a million years to fight back against Republicans. Outta boy. Way to be. And Republicans keep crying. We're collecting the tears. We'll make some products out of it later and sell it. It is nice to see resources go toward things that matter like education. Yeah, and by the way, what are they crying about? Oh, there's no tax cuts for the rich, they give it to your kids instead to educate your kids.

We don't want your kids being protected or educated. Wait, don't we say all the time we're worried about the kids and the schools? Oh, the tax cuts for the rich, there are so much more important. Okay, Republicans, hey, those are Republican legislators, and they're all on the record, and they're all saying, Tax cuts for the rich are more important than your kids. You should know that about the Republican Party. All right, well, let's move on to- Let's take a break.

Okay. Okay, let's take a break and we'll be right back, guys. All right, back on TYT, Janganana, with you guys, more news. Well, let's get to an update on a story from just last week. After federal agents spotted and chased Taylor Toronto outside the D.C. home of former President Obama, they say they found these guns, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and a machete in Toronto's van parked nearby. The feds had already been trying to arrest Toronto for allegedly being part of the mob that attacked the Capitol, January. for which he faces four misdemeanor charges.

Taylor Toronto, the man you just witnessed in that video, the man who was arrested in Obama's D.C. neighborhood just last week was discovered with weapons and was also live streaming in the area the exact same day that Donald Trump shared Obama's address on truth social. That is the update to the story. The prosecutors have written a memo in this case. indicating that there could be a connection between Trump's post on social media and the actions that Toronto took on that day. Toronto, who had an open warrant for his arrest related to the riot charges, the January 6th riot charges, was arrested last week in Obama's neighborhood with firearms after claiming on an internet live stream the day before that he had

a detonator. So you can understand that that kind of threat would lead to federal authorities looking for this guy. I mean, he already had a warrant out for his arrest. Now the weapons that they found on him, or at least in his van, which he is allegedly living in, included two guns, 400 rounds of ammunition, a machete. And according to some reports, materials to make Molotov cocktails. There wasn't a bomb or with a detonator found in the van, at least as far as we know at the moment. He was, again, also found to be living in the van. He's originally from Seattle, but when he was discovered and detained, he was in D.C. Now, thanks to this new memo, federal prosecutors have provided more details about him and what the allegations against him

happen to be. Let's watch. Federal prosecutors told a judge, Toronto could have learned Obama's address from a social media post by former President Trump. They alleged Trump posted what he claimed was Obama's address on his truth social platform. The same day Toronto was arrested near the home. Toronto was also accused of targeting Democratic congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland, who led Trump's second impeachment. They say Toronto posted a video on June 18th inside an elementary school near Raskin's home. Now I want to get to the threats against Raskin in just a moment, but real quick. So on that day that he was found in Obama's D.C. neighborhood. He also said in a telegram post, quote, we got these losers surrounded,

see you in hell, Podestas and Obamas. And when it comes to the Raskin related allegations, apparently on Sunday, June 18th, Toronto and several others entered an elementary school near Raskins home with Toronto, live streaming the group walking around the school, entering the gymnasium, and using a projector to display a film related to January 6th. And that again is, of course, According to the prosecutor's filing, Toronto stated that he specifically chose the elementary school due to its proximity to Raskin's home and that he is targeting Raskin because he's one of the guys that hates January 6 people or more like Trump supporters. And it's kind of like sending a shockwave through him because I did nothing wrong.

And he's probably freaking out and saying stuff like, well, he's stalking me, the filing said. Yeah, that's because you're stalking it. Yeah, you're out of- With a machete and 400 rounds of ammunition near his kids elementary school, you fricking lunatic. So there is, letting him out of prison would be insanity, total utter insanity. So if you're a right wingers and you're like, oh, he's got the right to free speech, man, okay? I mean, a free speech with a machete and a bunch of weapons and 400 rounds of ammunition by his guy's neighborhood and his kids. Yes, no, that's not free speech, that's stalking, that's assault because you're threatening violence, right? There are laws that are clearly being broken here. I'm going to tell you why

there's even an issue in a second as to why whether he might be let out. By the way, if you're a left winger and you say no bail for anyone, well, okay, to be fair to left wings, they don't say that, okay? They say that no bail for some poor people, under some circumstances, But I got to be honest with you guys. The reason I brought it up here is because it would probably apply in this case. Because these are like the level of offenses where you have to get into a situation with bail are extreme. It has to be like murder, rape, like armed robbery. It depends on the state.

And it definitely depends on the state and the jurisdiction. Thank you for that clarification. And in this case we're talking about federal prosecutors. But yeah, I mean, point taken. And look, just to comment on your free speech point, obviously protecting free speech is important, but there are limitations to every constitutional right, including the First Amendment. So you're not allowed to go around threatening people's lives or threatening people with violence. Now he, after his involvement on January 6th, prosecutors wanted him to be detained pending a trial.

But the judge said that he couldn't do that, mostly because of the fact that he's only facing four misdemeanor charges. That's right. And there needs to be proof that, you know, this guy is a flight risk and there was no indication of that. So they did not detain him pending a trial. And so now the real question is considering the very legitimate threats that he put out there, the fact that he was found in Obama's neighborhood, will they detain him until he faces trial for both January 6th and also the, latest charges. We'll see what happens. Well, so now the explanation of why. So they're trying to keep them in jail because of January 6 charges, but they already failed on that because they're

misdemeanors. And I'm sorry, but like I said, the right wing and the left wing agree that on misdemeanors, you should walk until your trial, right? So now there's new threats against Obama and Raskin, and yes, Kevin McCarthy as well, obviously the leader of the Republicans in the house. So, but they haven't charged those. So I'm more, I'm wondering what's taking you so long? Yeah, it is strange. Potential assassination attempt on a former president. What are we waiting on?

And I think that they're probably a little worried about like, hey, is it actual assault because he's saying, hey, you're gonna get it, but he didn't say, I'm gonna chop your head off. Oh, you're in a lot of trouble and I know where you live and I know where your kids are, but he didn't say he was gonna dismember them, right? So, and by the way, the guy brags about it. He's like, I got told by another right winger, how to cheat and threaten them. But calling it free speech. And that way, if you don't say you're gonna do it directly,

they can't do anything about it. No, okay, so is this the loopholes games we're playing? And now right wingers prepare to have your feelings hurt. So are all Republicans, lunatics going around Raskin and Obama's house? Of course not, right? But do you guys ever say anything about this? I've never seen it. I've never seen a right wing media pundit or politician.

No, to be fair, sometimes the politician, because it affects them like McCarthy, right? But the pundits, like for example, us, we're principled and we pay the price for it, right? Oh, yeah. So when a left-wing activist surrounded, you know, Riley Gaines? Riley Gaines, that swimmer, and wouldn't let her out of a room. We're like, don't do that, guys. They didn't touch her, but she fell trapped in that room. And the cops thought she was trapped in that room, and she was a little afraid, right?

And I'm like, that's not helpful to our cause. I mean, we're calling that out, right? On the right wing, are you calling out the lunatics? And are you telling me, oh, yeah, yeah, it's all even, man. Really, are there people circling around, you know, Republican? Actually, in fact, the one time that they did a candlelight vigil in front of Brett Kavanaugh's house, Republicans are like, pass a law! You should never be allowed to protest a Republican. How dare you?

What are you thinking you got freedom? Now, they're like, oh, they're about to murder Raskin and Obama and maybe their kids. Oh, that's fine, no big deal. I don't see any problem. I see no evil. I hear no evil. Right wingers, violence, we would never be violent. Go get him, go get him. Every lunatic in our audience, go get him. That's what the right wing says every day. And that's why you have guys like this. Okay. So just a few points of clarification. Riley Gaines did allege that she was hit by one of those protesters, although that hasn't been proven yet. And I haven't seen any updates on that. I just wanted to mention that. The other thing I wanted to just quickly mention is, look, This is a guy who's living in his van. I'm not trying to say, like, let him go.

Okay, I do think that he is a threat to public safety. He has made numerous threats, not just to Obama, not just to Raskin, even Kevin McCarthy. Like, the fact that if this is proven to be true, all Trump would need to do is post an address and this guy would show up tells me that he's not well. So, like, that what I want to argue is, yeah, I mean, I think that it would. would be helpful if the more moderate Republicans, whatever, like said that they do not stand with this, that they condemn it. But more importantly, if let's say, this is so laughable, but like if Bernie Sanders did something like what Obama did and like posted a political opponent's address online, I would be specifically condemning Bernie Sanders for that.

Yeah, what are you doing posting addresses for Bernie? Why would you put McConnell's address? What does that have to do with getting paid family leave or higher minimum wage? We would say. And not only that, we've proven it. We've said it a hundred times in different instances and upset our own side. Oh, no, no, no, don't be principal. Don't be. It's okay when we do it, but not okay when they.

But also, no false equivalencies, like the worst we've gotten from the left is, did they touch Riley Gaines? Did they brush up against Riley Gaines or not? Whereas other side's got bombs in the travans and you got the guy sending the pipe bombs to every Democrat there is. There's the shooting after shooting after shooting after shooting. It's not a coincidence. The right wing media weaponizes people that they know are mentally unwell in their audience. They know they're speaking to a broad audience, but instead of saying, hey guys, don't do violence, don't do anything physical. as we say a thousand times on the show, they're like, well, I mean, is somebody going to do

anything about this? I mean, this is the worst thing in the world, right? Lunatics, go, go grab away. And weapons are awesome. Weapons are awesome. Let's go get them. Well, what, wow, I didn't say anything. So he's tucked across him that different than this guy who's like, hey, technically, technically I'm not sure I did anything illegal, okay? I just told you these are the worst people on earth and that maybe somebody should do something about it. And that your most important right is the one to have a weapon against government tyranny, if you just happen to think that that thing's tyrannical. Maybe you should go into Pelosi's house with a hammer.

Maybe you should go to Obama and Raskin's house with machetes and weapons. Do I see anybody on Fox News calling it out? No one. Zero. Further, just a buttress. One of the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something's off in your body, but not knowing exactly what. It's not just aging. It's often your hormones, too.

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I didn't tell anyone where he lives because I want him, meaning Raskin, all to myself, and that that was Piney Branch Elementary School in Maryland right next to where Representative Raskin and his wife live. So these are pretty specific threats, and I do think he poses a threat to various politicians, possibly other members of the public. So I do think that he should be detained pending a trial, and it should be a speedy trial. That's the one other thing I'll just say about all of this. Look, one of the, I think, legitimate complaints about the criminal justice system overall, of course you hear it on the left, usually you don't hear it in the context of like the January 6th rioters and stuff.

everyone has a right to a speedy trial. So for any January 6th rioter that might still be detained and hasn't seen their day in court, I do agree that that's ridiculous. Yeah, look, I hear you. And they violate that concept every day, a million times a day. And they generally do it to poor and middle class people all across the country. So yeah, it also happens to apply to the people who tried to do a coup against our country. I'm going to cry for them the least, but the overall principle is correct.

And I'll tell you what, if I had secret service protection and this guy thinks it's cute to threaten my kids, I'd educate the secret service on stand your ground, okay? Because the last time white right wingers came to attack and murder government officials chanting things like hang Mike Pence, have the cops let them in. So I would be very clear with the cops in the secret service. If this guy's anywhere near my kids with a weapon, remember what stand your goddamn ground is, okay, and let's go. Because what, the right wing is allowed to murder everyone, but the left wing can't even protect our kids? No, no, I'm not going to agree to an uneven playing field.

All right, well, let's talk a little bit about Michael Scher's reporting over in South Carolina. What do you love about Donald Trump? I love everything about Donald Trump. I feel he can be trusted and feel comfortable, and it's a peace of mind. And tell me a little bit about what you liked when he was president. What are some of the things he did that you agreed with? I agreed with everything he did. One specific.

I can't think on the spot, but everything I'm happy with. Don't let the answers to our very own Michael Schor's questions fool you. While he was speaking to Trump supporters during a Trump rally in South Carolina, several of them did outline what they specifically liked about Donald Trump and why they continue to support him. So let's watch the next video. What did you like about the first four years of his president? What accomplishments would you like to see continue? Save the children.

Most important thing is what's happening to our children. Explain. The infiltration of our education system and the abduction of our children, over 800,000 a year ago missing in the United States alone. They are taking so many of them and torturing them. for adrenochrome. Prices gas right now is crazy. Can't, I mean, my husband's a truck driver, and the gas prices are insane.

He can't, we can't even make a living, basically, because we're having to pay for gas. Reducing regulations on business, let, let conservative thrive. The economy was better. I'm Hispanic, and I really think that he helped this country security in the south border. So a lot of issues were brought up there protecting the children, I'm assuming from human trafficking, lower gas prices is what they're hoping they would get from a second Trump presidency and also reducing regulations on business. And I got to be honest, that that part was very traditional conservative Republican, right? So that made a lot of sense. And that's actually what Trump did during his time in office. So he seemed to be the one who was the most. I guess justified in his support for Donald Trump, you know, because what he wants, he's going to get. But to be fair, a lot of Democrats like deregulation as well. Nonetheless, I'm curious what you think, Jane.

Yeah, so I watched a lot of these interviews. And so when you, and we've done more than just the South Carolina one, we've done this endlessly. And when you actually take the time to talk to Trump supporters, you find out things that are both not what mainstream media tells you, right? And in a, sometimes in a positive way. And you also find out things that are super disturbing. You get both, okay? There's no, the both sides are wrong, right? So the Democrats, a lot of times make it seem like every mega person and every Trump and

every Republican voter is a lunatic, okay? And the other side says, no, all the Democrats are lunatics, right? So no, or they're saints. These guys are saints in real Americans. Yeah, look, there are very fine lunatics on both sides. Yes. So now, having watched them as objectively as I could. So there's a couple of things.

Number one, some of them have no idea why they're supporting Donald Trump. Never even thought about it. They're just reflexively because it's cultural. Vibes. Okay? It kind of, because one guy said, everyone I know supports Donald Trump, right? And for those of you living on the coast, you're like bewildered by that. But if you're in a very progressive area, right?

Just imagine the same exact thing, but everyone is conservative, and everyone is gaslighting you that Trump is like the greatest guy in the world and he's sticking up for us, et cetera. Like, are you sure you'd be able to resist that? Because we're tribal, and that's how we act as human beings. Okay, so, so yes, some of them had no reason at all, and I'll come back to that. But some of them did have reasons, regulation, inflation, and I might not agree with a lot of their reasons. And when Michael asked them for facts, there weren't a lot, right? So like one of guys said, hey, you know what, Trump brought down unemployment. Well, that's actually a little bit true.

So there's a fact. And Obama had brought it from like 11 or 12% where Bush left it down to 5%. And then Trump brought it to around 4%. So he decreased it a little bit. Now did they give Obama credit for decreasing it massively? No. then did Biden decrease it from Trump? Yes, but they don't believe that.

They think, no, it's unemployment is higher now. It's not true. Unemployment is lower than Trump's, right? So there are actual facts and they get a lot of them wrong, which goes to Anna's main point, which is where are they getting the information? Yes, Jake, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that's the point I was going to make. I know, I know, okay. Okay, so let me get there.

So you're definitely not still not going to like some of my answers. No, no, it's okay, as long as you understand that, again, like you guys, the filter bubbles are so powerful. And it's just important to keep that in mind before jumping to conclusions about whether someone is inherently like a terrible person that can't be saved and, you know, is worthless. Like, I hate that kind of talk. But anyway, continue. So like when you look at something like the guy saying, oh, they're abducting the children in Andranichrome or Androma Galaxy or whatever the hell, the crazy conspiracy theories are, right? So that's the one where they rip off the kid's face and wear the thing and then drink their blood and blah, blah, blah, and they genuinely believe it, right? So, okay, so that's easy to go, oh, lunatics, right? And they are. But they got that from Bob on Facebook or it was Alex Jones hinted at it or some guy on Fox News and then they did surge and they have a whole methodology the right wing leaders do of they find like Google bubbles where there's no information and they'll insert a word that then they'll put into the talking points of all the right wing media.

So when people go to search for it on Google, like Andrew Chrome or whatever this thing is, all they get is all of the links seem to say, yeah, it's true. The Democrats rip their face off the kids after they molest them and then drink their blood to be younger because they pick the Google bubble where no one else is talking about a made up thing that they created, right? So that's one bubble, right wing media, Fox News, et cetera, newsmax is another bubble. So that's where they're getting from. Now, having said that, in terms of why they like Trump, the core question that Michael's asking in these videos, two things stand out as usual. One is he's anti-establishment. That's the part mainstream media never, ever, ever talks about because they are the establishment, and they don't want to legitimize someone becoming popular because they were talking against the establishment.

And they'll say things like he's honest, right? Now, Trump is not honest. He's the least honest politician in American history. But since he doesn't act and talk like a robot, the kind of fake plastic politicians that mainstream media loves, they also never acknowledge that. No, they keep saying it over and over again. They think the guy is honest because he's real. He doesn't read from a prompter, et cetera.

Honest and real are not the same thing. Okay, he's a real idiot, but he's not honest about the facts. So last thing, yes. And then there is that portion that says he's for us and America and our values and our way of doing things. Now, do they, and to the left, let me just clarify, do you think those guys go home and go, ah, man, black people are inferior, gay people are inferior, and I love being better than them. Do some portion of them do that? Yes, I think some portion of them get, if not exactly there, very close to it, right?

But a much bigger proportion, don't think that they're racist or bigoted or homophobes at all. They just never even thought about it. They just thought us, us, right? And here's this Trump guy who's a big bully that fights for us. But they never thought through what's us, what's inside the wagons and what's outside the wagons, right? And so is that a form of racism, bigotry, et cetera? It is. But are they evil?

And they have made an active decision to be evil. And guys, I say this, so one more thing, and then we'll get back to the videos. Like, they say it about me as a Muslim, right? I grew up Muslim and I've had right way or say to my face all the time, oh, you're an atheist now, thank God. At least you're not a Muslim anymore. Now that person isn't evil, but that is a bigoted point of view. They just don't know that they're bigoted.

And so maybe the answer is to yell at them, as I do often. And maybe part of the answer is to actually give them real facts. Anna. Yeah, I mean, look, I just want to address that one of the, answers there really stood out to me. And it was the woman whose husband is a truck driver, that's his livelihood, and she's frustrated about gas prices. And that goes to show you the impact of how our corporate media works, how the media ecosystem works, because, and look, I'm not trying to go easy on Biden, but let's also keep it real. If the media did a good job explaining

what it is that leads to a spike in gas prices, if there was a broad understanding among the American public about the OPEC cartel and the fact that the fossil fuel companies in this country are free to sell fossil fuels on the global market to the highest bidder, meaning like this whole notion of like, oh, energy independence, we need to do more drilling and that'll make gas prices lower for all of us here in the United States. That is not true because that is not how it works out. It is not a nationalized system. These are multinational corporations that, again, get to sell the fossil fuels to the highest bidder. That's usually what they do.

But that goes to the point of a lot of them do have serious economic concerns. And I think that while Donald Trump doesn't actually legitimately address those concerns, he certainly does pay lip service to it. And at the same time, what AIDS and abets those lies is the terrible job the media does in explaining why it is we're experiencing what we're experiencing in our economy. And what the Democrats do a terrible job. So that's why the guy says, and this was the most understandable of all the interviews, somebody said, look, gas was around $1.30 when Trump was president. Now it's around $3. And so I'm a blue-collar worker. I have a lot less money on my table. And the Democrats answer to that could be, hey, guys, here's all the forces that are at play and explain it clearly as Anna did. And I could add a couple more. And keep repeating that until it breaks through to people. Challenge the Republicans on it. You are you. saying OPEC doesn't exist? Are you saying supply chain issues didn't have it, etc? You could make all those arguments, right? And but instead the Democrats go, oh yeah, I passed a semiconductor bill.

And the guy's like, how does that affect my life? I don't know how that affects my life. And everybody on cable news goes, semiconductor bill, semiconductor bill. Oh, Biden is so liberal, Biden is so wonderful. Biden did more bills than anyone else. Yeah, but did it affect their lives? It affected their lives. There's construction of a chip factory that is, you know, that work is being done by workers who are brought in from other countries instead of, you know, employing American workers to do it. And when people see that you brought in people from Taiwan to build your semiconductors that we gave them $52 billion in subsidies for, that doesn't make them very happy.

Does not. Now, the reality is Trump never did anything for them either. The only thing he passed was tax cuts for the rich. but the Democrats are just awful at messaging and you see it in these interviews. ask them about. So let's talk about that. While our very, while our very own Michael Shore was at a Trump rally in South Carolina, he asked Trump supporters about Hunter Biden. And the question, yes, was a trick question. The answers were fascinating. Let's watch. And what do you think of Hunter Biden? I think he's kind of a snake. I think he should be impeached?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I do. All right. Thanks so much. Have fun today. Do you think that Hunter Biden should be impeached? Absolutely. Yeah, that's where you hear all the rules are the same for everybody, but it just doesn't feel like they're the same for everybody. Would you like to see Hunter Biden impeached? I see him in prison. So impeached and in prison? Yes, sir. I mean, you know, they got Trump on all this. He ain't no better.

Do you think that Hunter Biden should be impeached? Impeached? Yeah. That's not, he's not a political. We have a winner. What does she get a prize? Thank you. I've asked this question to like a ton of people today.

You were the first person to say that he can't be impeached. Look at you. Get it, girl. All right. So, you know, a lot of people obviously had the wrong answer because you can't impeach someone who isn't in government at all. Hunter Biden is not in government, although we hear. a lot about Hunter Biden from the Republican Party. Jake, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, I got mixed films about this one too. Look, I don't want to fall into the trap of going, ha ha, the average person doesn't know politics that well. Let's be honest, we could do it to anyone. Anyone, exactly. And so, and you know this because you used to see Jay Leno do it, Jimmy Kim will do it. You just go out as people on Hollywood Boulevard. They have no idea.

By the way, and then the media loves to laugh at them. And I got to be honest, sometimes I laugh, okay? A lot of times I laugh. But is it their job? No, they got different jobs. The one's a construction guy, the other guys, an accountant, et cetera. Their job isn't to follow politics as much as we do. So when they hear impeached, they hear something bad, right?

But do they remember from civics class that, no, you gotta be in office to get impeached? Right, yeah, exactly. Do they know what, like, they hear that word and they know what the connotation is, right? It's a consequence for bad behavior, and that's what they want to see. They want to see consequences for bad behavior. Now, I have no problem with Hunter Biden dealing with consequences for bad behavior. But so far, it's mostly been personal stuff for him, stuff that has no bearing on the American public. If the Republican Party and Representative Comer's investigation turns up any quid pro quo in regard to foreign money flowing into the pockets of the Biden's in return for some sort of favor, then then,

we're having a conversation about potential criminality. However, they have failed to prove that at least so far. We'll see what happens. But the obsession with Hunter Biden, honestly, it's getting for me to a super gross place. He's got a daughter that the Biden's want to pretend like doesn't exist. I just, it has no bearing on my life or your life or anyone's life. And I just don't really like talking about it or hearing about it. Yeah. But now let me give me the other side too. As I watch dozens, if not hundreds of right wing interviews that we've done, it is definitely fair to say low information voters, okay? And like I said earlier, you might say that of moderates. You might say it of the left or some portions of the left, et cetera. But they are indisputably

low and oftentimes incorrect information voters. And why is that? Because they consume right wing media and right wing media either lies to them or gives them like just 10% of what is true and leaves out 90% and so they never heard it right they don't they don't know and then so they'll hear like oh by he a hunter Biden's getting away with something that nobody else would get away with and then but they don't even know what the charges are when you tell them hey it's a gun charge do you think he should have his guns taken away they're like wait and the other was a tax charge because of some things he filed out, filled out wrong, like way less than what Trump did on his taxes. Yeah, I mean, they're like, wait, what? Yeah, they don't even know it.

Homeboy didn't pay his taxes. Let's just keep it real. Okay, come on. So he's dealing with that now. There are consequences for that. Now he has to pay back the federal government for failing to pay his taxes, which is the right thing to do. And I'm glad that they went after him for that. But, you know, you mentioned low information voters. And that phrase oftentimes, at least throughout my career here at TYT has always been attributed to independent voters. And I've been meaning to address this on the show because I think that things have changed. Because I think that given the media filter bubbles that people exist in, those who happen to be the most tribal, right? So if you are tribal about your support for the Democratic Party and you're watching

MSNBC 24-7, I would say you are the, Same as the right wing in only trusting conservative news, only being tribal, especially in support of Donald Trump, and kind of like limiting yourself to pro-Republican or pro-Trump content, right? I feel like these days, the actual independent voters who used to traditionally be thought of as the low information voters are the smarter ones. Yeah, so I, it's interesting you said it, because I was gonna say something very similar. The word independent, there's two words that are very misused.

The word independent has changed completely as to what it means. Because in the old days, it was independents that really were low information voters. I remember those days, right? There was people who knew what was going on. They were Democrats, probably plenty of people who didn't know. But the people in the middle were like, Mitch McConnell and Bernie Sanders, I can't tell the difference, right? Now independence is not like that at all. Most of the independents today are sick of the Democrats and Republicans.

They can't stand them. Why? Because they have more information. Like a lot of younger voters are independent because they go, so you want me to back the corporate Democrats who are going to outsource my job, never deliver on anything they ever said, and then like I'm supposed to cheer lead for that? No, you want me to support the Republicans who want to just give tax cuts for the rich and saddle me with student debt? No, right? So they're independents. But nobody ever clarified that that word changed and doesn't mean what it used to mean.

In other word, that's a total mainstream media trick is moderate. Moderate is actually a fine thing, a wonderful thing. A genuine moderate. Yeah, a genuine moderate that's in the center of the country. There's nothing wrong with that at all. That's democracy, right? But no, the mainstream media uses a trick. They do a little sleight of hand like Tucker used to on Fox News.

They say moderate is the one that says bipartisan in the middle of Washington, not the country. And the middle of Washington is super right wing. They don't do things that are very popular. like paid family leave at 84%. They're super corporate. Yeah, it's super corporate. And they pass things like the Mountain Valley pipeline, which pulls terribly, right?

And they do all of these incredibly unpopular things like passing more tax cuts for the rich. And even though those are extreme positions only backed by about a quarter of the country, everyone in mainstream media comes out and goes moderate, moderate, Joe Manchin's a moderate, all these Republicans are moderates, Biden's a moderate, they're all moderates. No, they're extremists for corporations. So there's nothing but, you know, magic tricks here in terms of how they do this stuff. And then to Anna's point about, look, if we're, if you're on the generally the left side, this is more for the folks that are like mainstream Democrats.

These are the MSNBC watchers that I'm afraid to. Yeah, let's keep it real. So again, I love you guys. And there's, you know, we, but it's our job to tell you what we think, right? And I gotta tell you brothers and sisters, when you, the anchors on MSNBC tell you that when Republicans take millions of dollars in campaign contributions from the Koch brothers, instead of they're evil and awful and are bought by those guys, they imply that. But when Nancy Pelosi and Schumer and Biden take the same money, no, it doesn't affect them at all. Oh God, they're having principal debates and they can go to CNN, it's even worse. They're like the Republicans and the moderates, so honorable, so decent, so moderate, so bipartisan.

So, oh my God, what do you think? What is your ideology? There's no ideology. All there is is checks, legalized bribes, and mainstream media lies to you probably more than any faction of media, right? And why their number one customer is politicians. Last midterm, they got $17 billion funneled to mainstream media in the form of political ads. You think they're going to bite the hand that feeds them? So as you look at these Trump supporters and you see them saying things that aren't true and some things that sound crazy,

name me something crazier than politicians are decent, honorable people who are not at all affected by millions of dollars in legalized bribes, and they're having ideological battles. I don't know anything crazier than that. Spicy Pence, when we come back from the break. All right, back on TYT, Jane Canana with you guys, but also, sorry, I forgot to do this earlier. Kurt Hale upgraded membership, and you can do that through the join button too. And Kurt, thank you for doing that. floor has just joined us, and we appreciate that as well. And Dr. Doom gifted a membership.

You guys are amazing. You could all do that through the join button below the video on YouTube. Anna. Well, we've got a spicy take from former Vice President Mike Pence. Do you ever second guess yourself? That was a constitutional right that you had to send those votes back to the states. I know by God's grace, I did exactly what the Constitution of the United States required on me that day. I kept my own. Former Vice President Mike Pence was in Iowa when a voter who was very unhappy about his decision to not go along with Trump's demands to reject electoral college votes on January 6th, 2021, expressed her displeasure with him and said that he was responsible for Joe Biden's presidential win. He very clearly disagreed and was spicy in the process of doing so. Let's watch more. problems belong to Joe Biden. And they do. However, if it wasn't for your vote, we would not have Joe Biden in the White House.

Right. Joe Biden shouldn't be there. And all those wonderful things that you and Trump were doing together would be continuing and this country would be on the right path. Do you ever second guess yourself? That was a constitutional right that you had to be on the right? to send those votes back to the states, it was not like you were going to personally elected. We all know when the number of votes that were there, who won that election? We do know who won that election based on the number of votes, electoral college votes, and Pence did respond to her and explained how the process actually works. Let's watch. The Constitution of the United States in Article 2 says the job, of the vice president is to serve as the presiding officer of a joint session where you open

and count the votes. Don't take my word for it. Go read the Constitution. Not really. I say this with great affection and respect. Constitution is very clear. My job was to oversee a session of Congress where objections could be heard, and I made sure that objections would be recognized. So we would hear whatever evidence or whether debate there was. But the Constitution says you open and count the votes, no more, no less. Constitution affords no authority for the vice president or anyone else to reject votes or return votes to the states. I'm sorry, ma'am, but that's actually what the Constitution says. No vice president in American history ever asserted the authority that you have been

convinced that I had. But I want to tell you, with all due respect, I said before, I said when I announced, President Trump was wrong about my authority that day, and he's still wrong. So in other words, read the Constitution, bruh. Right, like that's, you know, leaning back, pointing. Like I've never seen him so cool and collected. It almost feels like that was a plan. But it wasn't. I don't think there's no indication about it.

No, no, no, we know for sure it's not a plan. Yeah. Because later she said that he was respectful and she kind of liked it and she heard him out. So we'll get to that in a moment. But what did you think about how Pence handled that? So I thought he did a great job with it. job with it. So our jobs, to be honest, I, you know, so you know that I'm not a fan of Mike Pence, and I wouldn't vote for him if my life depended on it. But he is absolutely right on those facts.

And every day I grow more comfortable saying that his actions on January 6th were heroic. And and so both not leaving the building to make sure he got the job done. And he is, yes, he's, you know, kiss Trump's ring many, many times before and after January 6th. Yes, he's equivocating all those things. But when push came to shove and Trump bullied everyone else, they always caved and did whatever he wanted. And Pence, when it counted the most for our democracy, did not cave. And you got to give the brother that.

And his answer here was near perfect, not just because he's factually correct. But he said it in a way where he was not fighting with a person. He was not insulting them. He was getting them to maybe open their mind to facts they never heard because they listened to right wing media and Donald Trump. I'm actually shocked. Well, let's do this. Why don't we get to the next video?

Because CNN caught up with her after that exchange to see if she was persuaded. How does she feel about how Pence answered her questions? Let's watch. What do you think after hearing Mr. Pence's answer? I believe he's a good man. I love the fact that he is, he is strengthened by his faith. But I really do feel like he altered history. Would you consider supporting Mr. Pence after listening to him today?

I would consider it. But he has that one hiccup. Okay, never mind, you oversold that video. I hadn't seen it before the show. Oh, but that's because you, I was about to say, but she also said. Yeah, I thought maybe he persuaded her. And I was going to give her a lot of credit and it was going to give me a little hope for the future of this country because if that had happened, it would communicate to me. No, if you talk calmly to people and you explain how the process works, they're persuadable.

At least in this particular case, that didn't happen. No, but it's ironic, but I'm more hopeful about that than you are because she was listening. She didn't go, I hate him. She said he's a good man and she'd consider supporting him. I've never seen MAGA with someone that Trump told him, crossed him and was a traitor and all that stuff. Say, no, I'm open to considering him. And there she was open to considering him.

I mean, to be fair, she's a woman. We're just a little more tethered to reality and like to practice common sense. I'm just kidding. But no, I mean, there's something, yeah, there's something about her character that, just stands out and is a little different from the stereotypical Trump supporter that the media loves to blast. Yeah, to me, she was like the prototypical voter that you talk about, the MAGA voters. Like, not that they're all like that. Anna just says there's a big contingent, and I agree with this, that it is just got the wrong information, right? And maybe they were predisposed to that

wrong information. Maybe they wanted to hear the wrong information, but they definitely got the wrong information. You could tell from the entire exchange that she genuinely thought that Trump had won and that Pence screwed him by going outside the Constitution when the exact opposite is true. Right. So she didn't come in there with like, let's get the Democrats by cheating and ending democracy. I want to be part of the coup. No, no, she doesn't know. She just doesn't know. Nonetheless, she does say he altered history. But in a sense, that's kind of true. She doesn't mean it that way, but Pence altered history in the right way, right? If it was a complete lackey who had no spine at all to Trump, they would have gone in there and tried to complete

the coup and bringing the fake electors. And that would have been a very different timeline. Okay, I have a question about that, though. So let's say Pence really had no spine at all, and when it mattered most, he ceded to Donald Trump's demands. I mean, that had a real chance of working. Really? Yeah, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you exactly why. And that's why I love that Jack Smith is pursuing the fake elector scheme. Okay. Because that's at the very core of what I actually think was in it as an actual attempted coup.

Okay. And so not the rioters. The rioters are just wasting time distracting. And the point of the rioters were not to take the building and keep the building. The point of the rioters was to intimidate the politicians and to say, okay, okay, okay. we'll bring it back to the states because if Pence listens to Trump when he's supposed to just count

the states, that's his only job in the Constitution, he cannot disagree, he cannot change them, right? And the Constitution is very clear, as he outlined. If instead he said, screw the Constitution, I'm going to go with what Trump says. Okay, yeah, Wisconsin says Biden won. I don't believe him. We're sending it back to the Wisconsin

to get us the real electors. Well, then they can't certify the vote that day because he literally blocked the proceeding to certify the vote. What happens when they go back to those states? Well, a lot of those states have, even though they voted for Biden, they have Republican held legislatures. And the Republican legislatures got the fake electors ready. And a lot of those fake electors signed a document saying,

I'm the real elector, and they handed into the federal government. And Jack Smith is now flipping those guys, the prosecutor. And he's getting them to admit, yeah, I was lying. I'm not the actual elector. And so, isn't that fraud? Yeah, that's why they're in a lot of trouble. Okay, but okay, but my point is, and I'm sorry for dragging this out, but I am genuinely curious, so if Pence had done something unconstitutional and went along with what Trump

wanted, and if you had all these fraudulent electors, essentially giving this victory to Donald Trump, wouldn't the Democrats sue? Wouldn't they take this to the Supreme Court? And look, I get that the Supreme Court is right wing. But as we have shared with you in various rulings as of late, they actually sided with an employee versus the actual corporations in a recent case. No, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. So look, would the Supreme Court then go, screw the Constitution, we're going with the fake electors? Well, in 2000, the Supreme Court said screw states' rights, even though they pretend to be in favor of states' rights.

And they literally stopped Florida from counting. And they said, no, Bush won, we don't want you to count it, okay? And so that they literally, the Supreme Court has already stolen election. That's not 1% hyperbole. Secondly, here there's a mechanism with which they could have used to steal this election. They could have said, hey, listen, the state legislature say one thing, you Democrats say another. It's a political question, and we're invoking the political question doctrine. So that you guys deal with it politically, it's not for us to decide election.

are your business, not our business. Okay, good point. And if they do that, then the Republican legislatures go, sorry, the fake electors are real. And even if you have a controversy, it goes to the House. But the House picks the President, but it does it state by state. And Republicans, even though they had less members of the House, they had more states, so they would have won.

So that plan was not a terrible plan. It was actually low-key genius. Yes, that's why Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon often brag about it. They're like, look, we had this thing stolen. If this son of a bitch Pence would just burn the Constitution, I think we're going to have gotten Clarence Thomas and Alito to say, oh, political question doctrine, and we steal the goddamn election. And so that's why, no, you should not underestimate how heroic Pence was for, yes,

the lowest bar in history, just doing his job. But when you know a lot of other Republicans that stood up to Trump in that time? Definitely not. Definitely not. And in a lot of ways, he saved the country. And here he is telling the truth to Republican voters, a truth they almost never hear. Pence, Yugar, 2024? No. I'm just kidding. That'd be the most insane thing on the planet. That would never happen. Anyway, with that said, that does it for our first hour. When we come back, we'll tell you about how Marjorie Green was booted. From a Republican committee in the House, what's going on here? Well, I'll tell you when we come back.

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