The Young Turks - Taylor-Made Triggering

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Piers Morgan lashed out after Taylor Lorenz expressed ""joy"" over the killing of UnitedHealthcare's CEO. The shooter's manifesto has been revealed. Trump reiterated he still has ""concepts of a plan"" for health care" HOST: Ana Kasparian (@anakasparian), Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE ☞  https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks FOLLOW US ON: FACEBOOK  ☞   https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER  ☞       https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks INSTAGRAM  ☞  https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK  ☞          https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕MERCH  ☞      https:/www.shoptyt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, welcome to the Young Turks, Jake Ugaran and Kasparin with you guys, live from the Polymarket Studios, and with the greatest audience in the world. I love you guys. We're going to do Operation Joy for you tonight after the show. You know, of course, everybody knows live 6 to 8 p.m. Eastern, Monday through Friday. and then at 8 p.m. we're gonna do a bonus episode for the members. And this operation

Joe is a little bit about an ongoing conversation about Anna and I and, you know, oh my God, which way are they going, blah, blah, blah. But really it's about you guys. So you'll see the transition. And I really want you guys to check it out if you can. So a good day to be a member. Okay, now we also have, as always, in these crazy hectic times, tons of amazing stories. So lots of twists and turns here as usual. So let's go for that ride. Anna. Well, one of the things that's getting a lot of attention online is how various people, we've been talking about this, have been celebrating the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson. And Pierce Morgan decided to lean into that discussion during a recent

episode. Let's talk about it. Aren't you supposed to be on the caring, sharing left where you know, you believe in the sanctity of life? I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels. Pierce Morgan took Taylor Lorenz and basically anyone else who has been publicly celebrating the murder or assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson to task. On a recent episode of the Pierce Morgan uncensored,

show. He had Taylor Lorenz along with other members of the left and some people on the right on this panel. Morgan displayed utter disgust at some of what Lorenz had to say, but did she have a point? So the segment started off with a compilation that included some of the statements that have been made by various figures, both on the left. And I think others who might not necessarily be on the left, but we can't use those videos because they're copyrighted. But the compilation did include Hassan Piker and Taylor Lorenz. Let's hear what they had to say. I saw someone say this is like finding out about Robin Hood in the 1300s. Like every new update that comes from this guy, I'm like, that's so sick. When you see the entire internet left and right united around

one thing, and that is celebrating, I hate to say to the death of a healthcare CEO, you have to ask why. And I don't think that has been discussed at all. And when Taylor Lorenz expressed that she had feelings of joy following the murder of Thompson, Pierce had a hard time understanding how that could possibly be the case. Take a look. Aren't you supposed to be on the caring, sharing left where, you know, you believe in the sanctity of life? I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like.

I mean, joy of a man's execution? Maybe not joy, but certainly not, no, certainly not empathy. Because again, this is a man responsible. How can this make you joyful? This guy's a husband, he's a father, and he's being young down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making joyful? So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push a policy.

of denying care to the most vulnerable people. And up the many millions of Americans that have watched people that I care about suffer and in some cases die. So look, the sentiment that Lorenz is sharing there, especially toward the end in regard to innocent people needing health insurance to actually, you know, cover their claims and dying as a result of the insurance companies refusing to do so. in the case of United Healthcare analysis indicates that somewhere between 32% to 33% of claims had been denied. And so, look, I, that resonates with me. That message resonates with me. I'm currently experiencing what it's like to undergo this whole healthcare process as a very close family member of mine is struggling with cancer. And it's awful in so many ways. And it's, it breaks my heart that so many people deal with this on a regular basis.

At the same time, I think that, I don't know, I just feel like saying that you feel joy over someone getting assassinated. Like, even if you do feel that way, I just don't think it's helpful to say that because it turns a lot of people off to the very accurate message that I think Taylor Lorenz is trying to get out there. What do you think? Yeah, look, you have to separate out the two different issues, right? One is the murder and the other is the problems with the health care system. If you say because there was a murder, there are no problems with the health care system or that you should never be allowed to talk about the problems of the health care system, well, that's absurd, and I'll never agree to that. If you say, hey, the murder was a good idea or I celebrated, that's also absurd, and I'll never agree to that. Right. So violence is never the answer. Now, to be fair to Taylor Lorenz, she immediately retracted joy. She did it a couple of times in the show. She did. She said, no, no, that was the wrong word.

Now, she's, but she did say she had no empathy for that the guy who was shot. And I don't agree with that. I, I have empathy for his family. He's got kids, et cetera. So guys, that leads to the main point. And by the way, you know, Pierce was also focusing on her laugh or whatever. I think she was just smiling in an awkward way because of the way that peers was, you know, framing the questions.

Look, I agree with peers. You should be outraged by the assassination. But I think that that people are misinterpreting what Taylor did a little bit. But on the other hand, it's not. It's not like some folks aren't kind of going towards celebrating what happened, right? Yeah. And so that's, to say that that's not happening is not accurate either, okay. But the most important thing is, you have to separate out the people versus the system.

So what I mean by that is, so that's one guy who happens to be the CEO of that company, right? Killing that guy or hurting that guy doesn't fix the system at all, right? So like, it's the wrong way to get there. In fact, it reminds me of like, people who say, oh, what Hamas did on October 7th is fine, because Israel is so bad on the occupation and all these other things. No, you're being counterproductive. When you say things that turn people off and push people away from you, like, hey, maybe that murder's not so bad, right?

Then you're hurting the cause of actually fixing the underlying problem, right? So in the Israel situation, the underlying problem is the occupation. In this situation, the underlying problem is that we have a privatized health care industry that on average, if we're being honest about it, kills about 76,000 people a year for profit. That's how it's built. One person isn't going to change that, whether they're alive or dead. But saying that, hey, we were heartbroken over that. That's why we shouldn't save the 76,000 other people is not fair.

And there's one more thing, Anna, real quick. When people like that are on air, and I think that maybe it includes us, right? And people that are politicians, et cetera, they have more empathy for people like the United Healthcare CEO, because they're but for the grace of God go I, they think, right? And so they should have empathy for them, no problem with that. But what I don't sense is any empathy for the 76,000 debt. 100%, but I want to be clear, I do not celebrate violence and murder. I want to be clear about that, and I've been clear about that since the beginning of the story.

However, I differ from you in the empathy department. I don't feel empathy, and if that makes me, yeah, if that makes me a bad person, I feel empathy for his family. I feel empathy for his wife and his sons, right? It's heartbreaking that they've lost their father, but I do see, or I do see him as part of a system, of greed that has caused so much harm to so many people. And by the way, the other thing I want to say real quick is, look, there's been a lot of attention on how these health insurance companies deny claims, and I think it's just to focus on that.

But I don't think that only focusing on that allows us to look at the bigger picture of all the various elements of our healthcare industry that happen to be broken. So for instance, look, we also have to talk about what the providers charge, right? And so when you look at, you can look, if you have health insurance and your claim gets authorized, usually you'll get some sort of notice in the mail, you can look at it, you can see what the hospital or what the doctor charged your healthcare company. And it's outrageous. It is outrageous.

Part of the reason why we have these insane, you know, premiums and why health insurance costs so much is due to the fact that, you know, the providers in some cases, the doctors, the physicians, the anesthesiologists, whatever it is, we'll charge an example. exorbitant amount. And that also leads to the insurance companies in some cases, denying the claims because they're like, no, we're not going to pay for this. This is crazy. So look, the reason why I think people have the wrong focus when they're talking about Brian Thompson or any CEO of any of these companies is because, because. Because I can't begin to describe to you how little it matters who's at the top.

The system is what matters. I agree with you on it. So let me explain why, though, for folks who don't understand how it works. Because oftentimes you'll think, well, you know, I make decisions in my life and I'm responsible for those decisions. No, if Brian Thompson said, and this has actually happened in the past and we've reported on it, hey, you know what? This is unconscionable. We're denying 32% of the claims.

People are dying. People are getting sick. And we're just doing that for profit. So I'm not going to do it anymore and I'm going to bring that number down. What would have happened is he would have immediately been fired. He would have been erased, not from life, but from his career. He would have been fired instantly and then they would have hired someone else. And if they didn't want to rob you, then they would have fired him and they would replace him with someone else.

So killing one guy is so irrelevant, let alone anymore. I agree with you on that. I agree with you on that. But I see that is different from me feeling empathy, right? Like, again, I'm not celebrating it. I am not in any way encouraging violence or saying that violence is a solution. I actually think the the assassination, you're right, did not solve a damn thing. But it's different to like, I don't know, like am I supposed to shed a tear?

Like am I supposed to feel deeply saddened by what happened? So it does, look, I don't really care how what people feel about it. It's not that important to me. What's important to me is fixing the system. So what actually out of all of this giant mess and people blaming each other nonstop, the thing that frustrates me most is that mainstream media absolutely positively refuses to talk about the core of the issue. So why do you think the left and right are uniting on this? Like, and by the way, here's another case.

It's an unfortunate circumstance that led to it. But we've been telling you all along, there's a lot of people on the right way who also hate corporate rules. who also are getting crunched in the same exact way that you are. So does it not jar mainstream media? Oh, that's so interesting. The left wing and the right wing are both so mad about our health care system that a lot of them are even saying they don't even mind that a guy was killed over it, right? That should be jarring to them.

Instead, they're like, murder is terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible people, okay? The only thing that matters is the CEOs and executives. Well, no, I don't agree with that either. I think that's a terrible way to look at the world and you have to ask why, why are they so mad? Why did this guy do it, let alone the fact to forget him doing it, why did so many people start fan clubs of him? Right now, the Yelp reviews of the McDonald's that turned him in is near zero because people keep, again, right wing and left wing. I mean, this is such a silly example of it, but it gives you a symbolic reaction to what's happening. And they're saying there's a rat in your kitchen.

They're calling people who turned them in rats and snitches, et cetera, because they're so mad at the health care system. And mainstream media goes, I don't see it. I know. I don't see it. We already, look, we've talked about the failures of the media and why those failures exist a billion times. I mean, number one is, of course, corporate capture of the press, but also the fact that journalism went from being a, like almost like a vocation that was pursued by working class people, by the real mugger. And now it's mostly employed by various Ivy League graduates, affluent individuals who are kind of out of touch with like the majority of Americans of what they're facing. Massively out of touch.

Yes, massively out of touch. But look, this is the other really difficult conversation that I think we need to have because you are correct in that this is an issue that transcends partisanship, right? This is an issue that is impacting Americans regardless of their political affiliation or identity. or identity. The majority of Americans agree that the system is broken, but it's not going to get fixed, Jank. 100%, which leads me to the second culprit. The media is cover for the politicians who are the actual crooks. So who can actually fix the system, right? The politicians who are literally bribed by the health insurance industry to not fix the system, Jane. And that's why I keep going back to mainstream media, because they then tell us, oh, you guys are outrageous.

No, these politicians are such honest, wonderful people, and they're having a real legitimate debate about which system is better. There is no debate about which system is better. Universal healthcare is literally every other developed nation on earth has it, it costs half as much, and they live four years longer. There's no question at all about which system is better. But mainstream media will lie to you, and the crooked politicians will lie to you, because they all get giant sums of money from healthcare companies as advertisers, and they're

campaign donations. So what I really, really want is for the right wing and the left wing to forget about this Luigi guy. And to wake up, wake up. All the politicians are crooks. Almost all of mainstream media are crooks. And they are the ones that have given you this oppressive system that is literally killing us. And it's killing us for profit. And it is inarguable that it's for profit. So again, one more time. So they have to keep their costs low and they're revenue high. What's their cost? Actual health care for us. Why do you think United Health Care denied 32% of the claims? Because that's their costs. They'd rather let you die. And they make that decision every day over and over again. Let them die. Let them die.

Let them die. Okay, why? Because we're gonna make more money. And the stock market's gonna be happy with us. And they made $20 billion a year making those decisions that killed real Americans. And not one person in media cares and not one person in Washington cares. To be fair, there's a couple of people, of course, Bernie Sanders, or O'Connor, et cetera, and there's some decent people in media. But overall, 98% of them are like, who cares? Do the campaign contributions come in? Did the advertising check come in?

So what? Kill him, kill him, kill him. And aren't you guys, look, wait, so we're all mad at, now I'm worked up. Now we're mad at Taylor Lorenz, we're mad at all these other people for not having appropriate empathy or whatever the hell for a United Healthcare CEO. I have the empathy, but where's your goddamn empathy for the 76,000 dead? Where is it, huh? I don't see any of it. Is anybody on TV crying all the multi-millionaire anchors? Oh my god Your parents might die because they have cancer or this and they got denied coverage.

They don't give a damn about the average person. Those crooked, crooked politicians that they cover for all the time greedily taking the goddamn checks and go yeah go ahead kill him. Who cares? Who cares? We know what the better system is, but I want the corruption. I want the money, Lebowski. So I'm sick of them and I hate that they have no empathy for the average person. Jake, our lawmakers are very likely personally invested in healthcare stock. They're such crooks. Okay, but there's no law preventing them from investing in individual stocks. So what would make anyone think that our lawmakers who are both legally bribed by these companies,

but also are personally invested in stocks related to these companies? What makes you think that they would ever pass any legislation? that would hurt their own personal investments. We live under corporate rule and the people who profit off of these corporate, you know, corruption that create, by the way, kill off capitalism. There's no competition because it's crony capitalism. They capture the government through their bribes. And I'll tell you, you know, some of you wonder why I feel a little bit more optimistic after the election,

even though he desperately didn't want Donald Trump to win. Because, yeah, Trump won and he's a bull in a China shop, and that has a hundred problems with it, okay? But mainstream media, those goddamn liars, they were defeated. The establishment of both parties, they're giant liars, and they're crooks, and they were defeated. So yeah, I'm a little happy that those evil sons of bitches were defeated. And every time we say stuff like this, they're like, no, you have to cancel the young Turks. Cancel them. No, no, no.

How dare you stick up for the average person? Well, what happened now? You losers, what did you do? You sucked up to your corporate donors, and what did you get? Loss after loss after loss. And now you want me to have empathy for those corporate Democrats, for the mainstream media? No, I have no empathy for them. They had all of this coming.

For God's sake, both left-wing and right-wing populace, wake up, wake up. What do you think? This is like, you think, oh, if we just privatize it more, if we just give more to Wall Street, more their corporate CEOs, we do more, we allow for more bribery of our, politicians that that's the answer because a lot of your right wing media and your right wing politicians are going to tell you that. Oh no, no, no, don't actually protect the average guy. Protect the CEOs. All right, all right, let's see how that turns out. All right, there's a lot more to get to. So after the break, when we come back, I want to talk

a little bit about what we've learned about the assassin over the last 24 hours. Luigi, what was his last name again? Mangione. Yeah, Mangione. Luigi Mangione, we're learning more about his manifesto, his motive, and more, so stick around. We've got that and more coming up. memberships and I'm going to read one critical comment from super chat because I'm in that mood. Charlie Zoo said the right wingers like you because you go on their shows to critique the left, how have we not learned from day Rubin? Okay guys, so two things about that.

Number one, let's find out, right? So a lot of people on the left wing ego system online think we're evil and we have bad intent and we're going to turn MAGA and we're going to be in favor of corporate CEOs robbing you and whatever they in their fantasies, so let's see if it happens. Right, and then please, I'm begging you to judge either one of us based on what happens, okay? Because I'm so tired of being right every time with the Dave Rubba's and the Jimmy Doors and all of this. And every single time, oh, we question your intent again. We question your intent again.

You've been doing the same exact thing for 20 years. In fact, the people criticizing you are the ones you gave jobs to, okay? You know what, let me just say it. Let me just say it. So everyone will be happy with me and everyone will hear exactly what they want to hear. Criminals are great. I love criminals. We should let all of them out of prison and we should, you know, allow them to terrorize working class people when they're trying to get to work. And that's actually going to make everybody's lives better. So yeah, and let me do the other happen. If that's going to make everyone happy, then fine. Okay, I like, I give up. I give up. Okay, criminals are great. Unless, unless they're white. If they're white, we should put them in prison for the rest of their lives. Oh my God, if they're right wing, life sentence. Okay, anyways, so I know how dare we be principled. We should. be unfair to the right. I know. I know. We should be unfair to fellow Americans. I know. So, listen, I'm going to address more of that in the bonus episode today. But last thing, how do I criticize

the left? I often talk about how Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, the corporate Democrats, were wrong. They ran a bad campaign and they weren't populist enough. That sounds so right wing, jank. So do you want me to go on there and say, oh, God, I loved Kamala Harris, the way she brought on Mark Cuban and Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney to her campaign, and she started talking about how she loves the military industrial complex, and she bragged about the 90 corporate CEOs who are backing her, I'm so sorry I was disloyal to your beloved Democrats. No deal, if you want me to lie for you, go take a very long walk off a very short doc. Oh, no, is that a, oh, you were so offensive, Jenk, you're so offensive.

I just don't get, like, why do people think Donald Trump, of all people, was able to flip 10 blue counties in California from blue to red. Why do people think that happened? How did that guy win the popular vote? The election should be a giant piece of data that the left should be analyzing right now and engaging in some self-reflection to see where did we go wrong? Where did we lose voters? And that's what I've been trying to do, but it doesn't matter.

It's okay, criminals are great. We should all love criminals and they're wonderful. Okay, I apologize forever speaking out about any of that. stuff. I'm a very bad left winger. So what does the corporate Democrats do? They say, oh yeah, we learn our lessons. We should bring in Rahm Emanuel. So we're gonna talk about that later in the show. So they've learned no lessons and they were never gonna learn any lessons. And what is the max left saying? Oh, we should do the crime is imaginary. And we should yell at our own voters for being brainwashed by right wing narratives and thinking

there's crime when of course there's no crime. There hasn't been any crime in my mansion at all. I don't know what they're talking about. Oh, the average man got robbed. So what? How boogey of them to complain? Okay, how's that working out for you? In California, 70% of the voters said we have to increase penalties because they're so pissed about crime. Those are Democratic voters. Democratic voters. But no, no, no, no. Yell at your own voters, both the corporate Democrats and the Max left, yelling at their voters, that they're racist, they're sexist, they're all these terrible things. Go do that dumb. dumb strategy and see how it turns out for you next time.

All right, Anna, let's keep doing the news. All right, so let's talk more about Luigi and the assassination and all of that, because we have some more information about his manifesto. We're learning more information about the assassin behind the murder of the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. His name is Luigi Mangione, and his manifesto, which he had in his possession, when the police arrested him has now been made public by Ken Clippenstein, who managed to obtain it. So you can read the entirety of the very short manifesto on Ken Clippenstein's substack.

But I have a few excerpts that I think are worthy of reading to you right now, because it does shed light on what his motive was in this assassination. And yes, it does confirm what we had suspected. So he wrote, I do apologize for any strife or traumas, but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder, the United States has the number one most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly 42nd in life expectancy. United is the, and then he writes something indecipherable, largest company in the US

by market cap behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but has our life expectancy? No, the reality is these indecifference. have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it. And then finally, the last excerpt I'll read to you, many have illuminated the corruption and greed decades ago, and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play.

Evidently, I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty. So to me, obviously this clarifies what motivated him to carry out this assassination, and it was what we all suspected anyway. But as Jake and I have been talking about, regardless of how you feel about the assassination itself, the fact of the matter is murdering one individual, one executive in a very broken health care system, unfortunately, does nothing to change that broken health care system. It's a systemic issue, it's a huge issue that we've had in this country for a long, long time.

And it's not only due to the health insurance companies, it also has to do with the exorbitant rates that providers charge the health insurance companies, that leads to denials of claims. And it's just a terrible broken system, period. Yeah, so look, here's something else I want to say about this killing. The system is bursting at the seams. The, they've been playing good cop, bad cop with us for decades now. Democrats and Republicans, they both take corporate money, they do what they want. Corporate media comes in and white watches it and Fox News and MSNBC play good cop,

bad cop, et cetera. And they had us controlled for about 40 years in my opinion, okay? Maybe even more. So now things are starting to go out of control. One example of that is Donald Trump winning twice. As a right wing podcaster told us on the young Turks, we know he's a bull in a China shop. But we hate that China shop so much that we sent the bull in on purpose. Okay.

So I thought that was an excellent description of why Donald Trump won, because the American people now despise that China shop. That is the establishment's, you know, most prized possession. And so, and things are bursting in the seams in other ways. You see people are yelling at politicians while they're eating. They're people going to people's homes and now this killing. Why do you think that's happening? If you say, hey, don't look into the root causes, just ignore the problem, you're an idiot, okay?

Or you work for mainstream media or both, right? So the reality is you have to go, oh, I see, since they have no access to any of the politicians, since their voice is completely and utterly unheard, they're now acting out in ways that are irrational and things that are counterproductive because they're so mad they can't contain themselves. And by the way, look at this on both sides, and we're literally the only show that says this, okay? So on George Floyd, what happened? No riots that broke out.

And what do people say? Martin Luther King, Jr., quote, it's the voice of the unheard, right? And I agree with that. They're like, how many times are cops going to kill us and the system's never going to get fixed? So I'm super mad. That doesn't justify any crimes that happened. But that is the, that is why it happened. But same thing for January 6th, not for the organizers, not for Trump, not for any of the leaders.

But for the guys on the ground, they were so mad. And maybe they got misdirected. I think they got misdirected, right? But why were they so mad? Because they feel unheard. Because they keep screaming. I think these guys are crooks. I think the system is corrupt.

And that core, core assumption that they have on the right is true. It's correct. Of course, their own guys are also corrupt, right? Yep. But so that is why they both rioted. That's why when this guy does the killing, both the left and the right, some portions go, hell yeah. That's why they're so upset because this corrupt system never wants to hear from any of us.

And we're bursting at the seams. We can't take it anymore. Yeah, I think you're right about that. And I think you're seeing the frustration Americans are feeling regardless of how they identify politically manifest in in some cases dangerous ways and you know bringing up the protests that take place in front of politicians homes and all of that yeah that is threatening to the politicians and I don't condone it because I don't think that it's actually changing anything and in fact it's leading to all sorts of smears against the protesters and an attempt

to delegitimize their legitimate concerns in some cases but people are angry and they're frustrated and it's because we're living in a system in one of the richest countries in the world. And we're seeing people dying on our streets. We're seeing a situation in which ordinary Americans who are busting their asses at work day in and day out are unable to afford housing for themselves and their family members. The rage is very real. And that doesn't justify carrying out an assassination or murder. But at some point, something's got to give. The system can't keep going on the way that it is. The anger is going to continue building up.

So with that with that in mind, let's move on to some more details about Mangione because, you know, we do have his mug shot. He's a young man, 26 years old. And we're learning more about his own personal health issues, you know, he's 26. and he had some severe back problems.

So he is facing murder, illegal gun possession, and possessing a forged instrument charges in New York. In fact, today there was an extradition hearing in Pennsylvania where he was arrested because New York, understandably, is trying to extradite him to their state so he can face these charges and stand trial. And so as he was entering the building for that hearing, he had something to say to the media. Let's take a look at that. And it's clearly out of touch and insult the intelligence of the American people.

It's good experience. All right, so we just heard him yell that about it, sort of something being unjust as an insult to the intelligence of the American people. So clearly he's on message there and he, you know, again, his manifesto very clearly stated what he has an issue with when it comes to this health insurance company. And he talks about injustice there as he's being dragged into the building for the extradition hearing. Now, he's a Maryland native who was arrested while eating at a McDonald's in Pennsylvania. He was also in possession of a ghost gun, according to police, along with that short manifesto, expressing anger toward corporate America. The two officers approached and asked him to pull his mask down.

And when he did so, both immediately recognized him from the images circulating of the person wanted in connection with the New York shooting. They wrote in the criminal complaint. Soon after the officers wrote, they asked if he had been to New York recently and the mail became quiet and started to shake. So the police claim that they then asked him for ID and he proceeded to provide them with a fake New Jersey driver's license. And then they told him, if you give us fake identification, we're going to arrest you. And at that point, he told them what his name is. Now, His background was searched at the police station where officers said that they found a black pistol and silencer that appeared to be 3D printed along with a loaded Glock magazine with six, nine millimeter rounds. Joseph Kenney, chief of detectives in the NYPD, said Mangione had a three-page handwritten document expressing some ill will toward corporate America.

That document spoke to his motivation and mindset, said Jessica Tisch, the New York City Police Commissioner. He's also related to a Maryland delegate, a Republican, which is interesting. He has deep roots in Maryland and he comes from a pretty wealthy family, which is also interesting. So he's got back issues, he had to have back surgery in July of this year. And so I don't know if his personal experiences with the healthcare system is what motivated him here, but it's just interesting to learn that this was not a guy coming from a poor family. Like his family owns a country club, they own like nursing homes for the elderly, of course. And so, yeah, that's what we're learning.

So look, I'm going to make another point that sounds random, but it isn't. So sometimes when people get, when the system gets mad at someone like this, instead of doing what's rational. So in my mind, you try him. And then if he's guilty, this is a premeditated murder, I would say life sentence. Okay, so that's a rational reaction to it and that events, your frustration, your anger with him in a legitimate way through the justice system. But my guess is that they're going to make at some point a decision not to air anything he says.

Yep. And I hate that, and I think that's totally wrong, okay? So he's going to come out and, you know, they're going to say, oh, we don't want to encourage other shooters and say, I get the logic of it. I get the logic of it. But we can't be a society where we say, nope, we're gonna bottle everything up and this burst out because we were bottling everything up. And we got a great idea. We're gonna bottle it up even further.

So we're not gonna let him speak at trial. We're not gonna let him do this. We're not gonna let him talk to reporters. We're not gonna let him do any of that. And that's why you see them showing him away instantly. Oh my God, don't let him talk to any human being ever and bottle it up, bottle it up, right? I think it's a terrible idea. So I think that he should have a normal trial and he should get to go on the stand and we should get to hear what he says, et cetera.

And of course, as I've been saying throughout, the mainstream media should buy a clue and wonder why people are so mad and maybe look into how many people does this system kill every single year. Why are people so mad? How much do people get denied? And what are the devastating consequences? I've yet to see one person featured who died because, you know, a family member. They don't care, they don't care. Because they sure's denied them. They don't care, they don't care. Okay, just like navigating the system right now, myself on behalf of a loved one, a close family member, it's just, it's one of the most alienating and awful experiences ever.

And you feel super alone and you feel like there's no justice and there's no solution. you don't know what to do. And this is why in some cases, families literally lose everything, go bankrupt in attempting to help get their loved one, the healthcare that they need to survive. I mean, Jake, there are things that like, there are things that get denied that make no sense. Like for instance, someone who has kidney failure and needs dialysis, that should be covered. There shouldn't be any issues with that, okay?

Because if you don't get it, you're gonna die. Yeah. healthcare system that we have now goes, yeah, yeah, but that costs me a lot of money. And I'd rather make $20 billion a year than save your life. And we're all supposed to be okay with that. And so this is an unhealthy way of dealing with that. But both the politicians in the media provide absolutely no healthy way of dealing with it. The other thing I want to just quickly mention is that his family was desperately trying

to get in touch with him. So there's, I think there's a part of the story that we don't. don't have clarity on yet in regard to his mental health because, you know, basically his mother had put out notice looking for him. So the American prospect had a great report out that showed that on September 21st, a cousin of Mangione's reached out to his classmates from high school hoping to get in touch with him. And the message referring to Mangione read, this is Graphic 10, have you heard anything from

him in the past couple months or know anyone who has? He got back surgery about six months ago, and we haven't heard from him since. So none of the high school classmates had heard from him at all. Additionally, Mangione's own mother filed a missing person's case with the San Francisco Police Department on November 18th, according to the San Francisco standard, based on the date and contents of the text message, Mangioni had not been heard from for a couple of months before that, at least by his family. And so that's an element of the story that is currently developing, and I'm sure we're going to learn more moving forward, but it's pretty heartbreaking.

Yeah, but I don't know that anyone does this kind of assassination without some sort of mental health issue. So like I would, that would be the least surprising thing in the world. So yeah, it's what unites the shooters or whether they're mass shooters, school shooters, political shooters. there's two things that unite them, usually mental health issues and guns. So, but you could fill in the blank on, on their ideologies. And some of the ideologies are garbage. And in this case, this is a super rare case where his ideology is not weird or crazy. If you, minus the murder, I would bet that at least 70% of the country agrees with what he wrote.

Yeah, 100%. I mean, there's merit to what he's arguing. There is not merit and is not justified to murder someone. It doesn't solve anything and it's wrong, period. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to continue talking about health care, actually, because Donald Trump was asked about his plans for health care, his concepts of health care.

And so we're going to give you those details and more when we return. All right, back on TYT, Jankana, with you guys. And also Morgan MPB and Devon Quadio. Thank you guys for hitting that join button below the video. You guys are awesome. Anna. Let's talk about healthcare. Sir, you said during the campaign you had concepts of a plan.

Do you have an actual plan at this point for healthcare? Yes, we have concepts of a plan that would be better. Oh my God, all right, well, three months after getting pretty brutally mocked for that very line during the presidential debate with Kamala Harris, Donald Trump decided to repeat it again. He has concepts of a plan. Now, look, we're talking about a guy who in his first term tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, and he claimed that he had a replacement for it. So shouldn't you have a replacement already top of mind to answer that question? So look, back in September when ABC moderator Lindsay Davis asked Trump if he had a plan to replace the ACA, he said, I have concepts of a plan, I'm not president right now. Now, he won the election, so hopefully he has more than just a concept of a plan.

What would he do to fix our broken health care system, especially right now at a time when everyone's talking about our broken health care system following the assassination of the United. health care CEO. Well, let's hear what he had to say with more context and then we'll discuss. We have concepts of a plan that would be better. Still just concepts. Do you have a fully developed plan? Let me explain. We have the biggest healthcare companies looking at. We have doctors. We're always looking because Obamacare stinks. It's lousy. There are better answers. If we come up with a better answer, I would present that answer to Democrats and to everybody else. And I do something about it, but until we have that or until they can approve it, but we're not going to go through the big deal.

So look, you all should watch the entirety of this conversation, especially the part about health care, because to me, it was clear that he has no intention of attempting to repeal the Affordable Care Act in his second term, and that's good news, even though I actually do agree there are some major flaws in the Affordable Care Act, which is why everyone is pretty upset with our health care system. The Affordable Care Act did improve in some areas, including preventing health insurance companies from denying you coverage if you have pre-existing conditions, allowing children or people to remain on their parents' health insurance until the age of 26. You know, there are some caps on costs out of pocket. So there were

definitely some improvements, which is why polling does show that the Affordable Care Act generally speaking is starting to pull a lot better. And Republicans stopped calling it Obamacare as a result of that, which is fascinating. But I do agree that there are major flaws, right? The premiums are still too high. Insurance claims get denied all the time. So what are your thoughts, Jane? Yeah, so Trump is so frustrating because he never does any homework. Like if I got caught in a debate saying something, you know, ridiculous like, oh, I have concepts of a plan. You know what I do right after the debate, especially if you're running for president. I'd put two people, 10 people, 20 people on get me a goddamn health care plan immediately. Right. Right. But I would have done

that 10 years ago because I would have cared while I was running for president the first time of having my own health care plan, especially as he was trying to kill Obamacare. He never had a plan to replace it. So Obamacare is like super weak sauce, in my opinion. It was written by the Heritage Foundation, the same organization that wrote Project 20, 25. So if you don't know that, you know, you're a Democrat and you watch mainstream media, you could look it up and you'll be shocked to find out. The first politician who did it was Mitt Romney. He passed it in Massachusetts when he was the governor there. So it used to be called Romney Care. Now it's called Obamacare. And it is built to be a super weak fix and maintain the system mainly

as it is. But release valve. Oh, we got problems with preexisting conditions, get rid of the preexisting condition thing. And then the indentured servants will go back. to the assembly line and keep working for us because they're now rebelling over the pre-existing conditions. And by the way, put in a mandate so they must purchase insurance from the private health insurance companies that basically kind of wrote this plan, right? So it was, yes, it made it better than the draconian system we lived under before. And yes, if you're going to kill it, you should have a replacement, right? So I'm super curious in the long run, Anna, because So back in the day when we're having those debates, the Republicans, not Trump,

but the Republicans, said, oh, we have a replacement, sure we do. What we're going to do is we're going to allow the different states to have their own health care systems, and then you could opt into any state you like. And that's called hashtag freedom. And in the beginning, it sounds alluring. Oh, that's, oh, maybe I could take the, maybe I'll take a red state one or a blue state one, or I have all these 50 options. No, it's a race to the bottom.

It allowed people to avoid the entire system. It's a complicated thing, which I explained many times back then, would actually make the health care system way worse and much to the advantage of the health care insurance companies that were pushing for it, lobbying for it, giving campaign contributions for it, and the drug companies that were also doing the same thing. So the Republican politicians have been crooks my whole life. So now we've got a new base for Trump that hates Mitch McConnell's and those old school Republican politicians.

Yeah. But are they going to wisen up to the fact that corporate donors are still in charge? We also have another problem though, Jank, because look, I prefer a single payer healthcare system. I think that that is the best possible option, looking at other models across the globe. That's the system that appeals to me the most, so I want to be clear about that. But the countries in which a single payer healthcare system tend to work best are countries in which the public, generally speaking, has high trust toward their government.

And in America, we don't have that for good reason, because we have corporate corrupt politicians. And so, look, you often talk about getting money out of politics and all of that. I really do think that that's the heart of every issue that we have in this country. Because look at what's happening in California, for instance, not on the health care end, but on the dealing with housing and the homelessness crisis here, right? It's not that taxpayers in California have been unwilling to spend a significant amount of money to help people who are homeless and get them into housing. We've spent a lot of money and a recent audit found that the state squandered 24 billion dollars

and it did not improve the homeless problem at all, okay? And it's because that money got funneled into various nonprofits that have related to relationships with our local politicians, with our state politicians. And real estate donors. And real estate donors, that is corruption. That is all of these little entities getting rewarded after, you know, engaging in their own bribery schemes, legal bribery schemes during the electoral process. We got to get rid of that corruption. So two things about that. Number one, there's the only part I disagree with is that, oh, you need trusting government to do a single payer healthcare. Single payer health care works

everywhere. So on average, as I've said a million times, it's half the price. So it's not like it's close. Oh, so it's only 10% or 5% better. No, it's literally 100% better on cost and life expectancy on average is four years higher. So it works everywhere. But to Anna's point about losing the trust in government, there's this vicious cycle that old school Republican establishment politicians did, which is we screw up the government by taking all these legalized bribes and serving the drug companies and the military industrial complex, et cetera. And after we screw up the government, it shows you how corrupt it is by us being corrupt, we then blame the government.

You see the government doesn't work. You're right. That does happen. Right. And so then the right wing voters and some independents go, oh, okay, so then I don't want to do government-run health care. And you're like, hey, brother, you know how much you love Medicare and how much of a relief it was to you when you finally made it into Medicare?

That's government-run health care. Yes. The problem isn't the government. Government can overreach. Government's through a hundred bad things, but it's our job to rein them back in. The problem is the corruption that's destroying the system that we have now. Yes, and by the way, the corruption also, this is what I'm trying to get at. You're not going to get most Americans to agree to a single payer health care system when they realize it would be carried out by the government and they don't trust the government because of how corrupt it is. You get what I'm saying? No, I do. But number one, I think you can because the polling. shows it's overwhelmingly popular and people hate this system. But number two, by definition, if they got passed, they would never propose that system in this current model because they're almost all bribed, right? They're almost all corrupt, except a couple of Tom Massey on the right,

Bernie Sanders on the left, et cetera, right? So in a system where you pass single payer health care, by definition, your government got better. Otherwise, they would have never passed it in the first place. All right, well, let's go back to Donald Trump because he had some other things to say, including the declaration that he alone actually improved Obamacare. Let's watch. I am the one that saved Obamacare, I will say, and I did the right thing. I could have done the more political thing and killed it. And all I had to do is starve it to death. You do try to have your Justice Department effectively kill it, though. No, no, kill it from a legal standpoint. But from a physical standpoint, I made it work. We made it as good as we can make it. Instead of

making it bad where everybody would be calling for its repeal, I made it so that it works. Now, it works. But you did try to overturn it, sir. Well, it's lousy. You did have your Justice Department try to direct the Supreme Court to. No, we got a little bit of a surprising opinion, to be honest with you. If it would have been overturned, we would have had much better health care right now. But right now, we have something that I made the best of. What? What? How did you improve Obamacare? I understand what he's saying. Can I explain it? Yeah, I'm super curious because look, let me just explain my perspective as I hear him say that,

because I have no idea what he's talking about. The only thing I remember the Republicans attempt to do under the Trump administration is literally repeal Obamacare, which luckily they failed at because they didn't have a replacement for it. The thing that they did succeed is they challenge the mandate which forces Americans to buy insurance. And if they don't, they would get penalized when they filed their taxes. The Supreme Court overturned that. They got rid of that. But the whole point of that, which honestly, I personally didn't like, because I don't like being forced to buy private insurance, the whole point of having that mandate in place was to keep premiums low. But that cost control didn't really work that well anyway.

So I don't know, what do you think he's saying? Okay, so first, before I get to mind reading him, and because I know, I think I know what he's referring to, I just, I want to be clear. I mean, he's being absurd, of course, right? So he says, I never tried to kill Obamacare. But wait a minute, brother, you had a vote, the famous vote where John McCain went like this, that was you trying to kill Obamacare. And then when you sued to kill Obamacare, that was also trying to kill Obamacare.

Right. So, but what he's referring to is, yes, after I try to kill it eight different ways and it failed, people suggested to me, hey, you know, you could just starve the beast, right? You could just not fund a lot of these things. And you could take executive action, you could do X, Y, and Z. And there were ways. I remember that the Republicans were suggesting different ways, hey, we lost legislatively. But who cares?

Just take executive action to kill it. And he might have been able to do that. And maybe it would have been outside the bounds, but he's gone outside the bounds many times. And he decided not to do that. So he decided, hey, we couldn't do it legally and we couldn't do it on the vote. So I'm just going to let it continue, okay? So that's what he's referring to. But again, we go back to Trump won't do homework.

So there's a way that you could frame that so you can explain it to people and say, oh, remember, this is an executive action that I was people suggested I take. And I didn't take that. But he doesn't remember, he doesn't know, he doesn't prepare. And then it's one more thing, Anna, he says, like, well, well, yeah, we did try to kill Obamacare, but, you know, then we would have replaced it with something better. But, brother, you just said 30 seconds ago that you still don't have anything better. And you not only do you admit that you still have only concepts of a plan, but you said,

well, we're looking, we're looking to see if there's something better. So then how can you possibly claim that you had something better, you know, five years ago when you were trying to kill it in the first place? Because he doesn't do homework, he doesn't care, he just blabs things. things out. Right. Now look, this is far from health care reform, so I want to be clear about that. But I do remember, you know, one of the things that he attempted to pursue in his first term

was price transparency, which I don't know why that didn't happen. Like that would have been an interesting experiment at the very least, possibly would have yielded great results because you have no idea what you're going to be charged for various, you know, procedures that you might need when you go to- I know what happened. Yeah, what happened? So he, every once in a while, Trump just blurting something out is helpful. But then he immediately gets talked and bribed out of it, just like with gun control.

You remember? Yeah, I do remember. Right after one of the terrible shootings, he came out and says everybody here is getting money from the different groups. From the NRA. And I'm not gonna do it, okay? And we're gonna do something about this and I'm gonna protect the American people. And then they went and had a meeting at the White House with the NRA.

I remember. He got a nice juicy bribe campaign conference. contribution, legalized, and then he came out the next day. He was like, we're not going to do anything about it, it's wonderful, we need guns everywhere. He was also reminded of how much the NRA had contributed to his inauguration. Of course, so what happened in that case was he blurred out a good policy. Hey, maybe we should have price transparency. And then all the lobbyists came in and said, here's your bribe, Mr. President, here's

your bribe Mr. President. He's like, well, I didn't know I was going to get this much money. Okay, maybe I should come up with good ideas just so I can kill him the next day after I take all the bribes. Which, by the way, is something both parties do. Did you know the Democratic Party will often propose bills they have no intention of passing? Just so that lobbyists will give them money not to pass it. Okay, and of course the Republicans do the same. So I want to go to one final video here just to kind of make my point about the Obamacare versus Affordable Care Act labeling that we've seen from Republicans.

You know, I remember back in the day, and the rollout for Obamacare was disastrous. Okay, do you remember the website for the healthcare exchanges kept crashing? So it was bad. And in the very, very beginning, Obamacare didn't have great polling results. However, that changed after all of those little wrinkles were smoothed out, after people realized that there were really, really important provisions, including protection from insurance companies denying you if you have preexisting conditions. The legislation started to perform really well in the polls, and Republicans stopped calling

it Obamacare. They started calling it the Affordable Care Act to essentially, you know, take credit away from the guy who fought for and accomplished the legislation. So I noticed that Trump kept getting like, he kept stumbling throughout this interview with Meet the Press because he kept saying Obamacare, but then he realized, I'm not supposed to say Obamacare. I'm supposed to say the other thing. So let's watch. I inherited Obamacare or anything else you want to go. I just got about 20 names, but I inherited it. One thing I always appreciate about him is his transparency. Usually it's accidental, but it's great.

I don't want to give them a tip, but they should start calling it Romneycare. Because if they start calling it- Don't give him a tip. I know. But anyways, okay, last thing on this, this is a really minor point, but I, but I think it's important. So Trump after this interview complained, as always. Oh, she was so tough, she was so unfair, she's blah-la-la.

And I watched the interview and I'm like, yeah, I see how she was tough, but that's how interviews should be. I really like that interview, right? And he handled it well, didn't he? I thought he handled it perfectly well. I mean, within Trump standards. Yes, exactly. Like he didn't like lash out at her when she asked tough questions.

He handled the questions calmly, which was interesting to see. That was good. And he was conciliatory on some things, right? Like the dreamers and other things we talked about yesterday. But the reason I brought that up is because as I was reading that and I was thinking, oh, that's so absurd. That's how good interviews should be. And I thought, wait a minute, as I read his whole statement, there is one thing he's saying

that is true, which is he's like, they would never do that to Biden. And I was like, and then I went back and watched the snippet of the interview. And I was like, he's totally right. They would never do that to Biden or Kamala Harris. No, that's unfair. No, they never do that. Are you kidding me? Never.

There was some excellent muckraking journalism during the election cycle, particularly during these interviews with Kamala Harris. Did you not watch the interview with Oprah? I knew you. I thought you were joking. And with Al Sharpton. Yeah. And did you see black passers came out and said, this is corruption. I can't believe he took half a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. So, and now they I saw the headline that they reeled it back in. They're like, oh, sorry, sorry, Al Sharpton. Yes. No. Yes, yes. Take the money, Al. Take the money and then give softball interviews to politicians. So all that anybody did with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden was like politely, gingerly like kissed theirs. Imagine if they had the same kind of attitude there with Trump,

which they should. They should. Yeah. If they were like, President Biden, why did you shake hands with an invisible person? Why did you say that your uncle was eaten by cannibals? Do you realize that your uncle wasn't eaten by cannibals? And that's an absurd story? Have you ever seen an antagonistic interview like that from mainstream media to a Democratic politician? And it's not Democratic politician. Yes, I reeled it back in, because you're right, it's not Democratic, to an establishment politician. I've never seen them be tough like that to Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. But the minute it's Bernie or Trump, do this, how about this, how about this, right?

And by the way, again, I don't mind that. That's what you should do all politicians. But instead, they do, and they pretend they're not biased. It's absurd. All right, we're going to take a break. And when we come back, we've got more to get to for our second hour of the show. One of the topics I actually want to discuss is Pete Heggseth, where he currently stands on the Secretary of Defense nomination. And more importantly, the media companies that are providing cover for Hegsith and taking threats when it comes to negative coverage and how they shouldn't engage in it.

That and more coming up, don't miss it. Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated.