The Young Turks - Tears For Trump

Episode Date: April 1, 2023

Episode summary: Trump will not accept plea deal and plans to file "substantial legal challenges" to indictment, lawyer says. Marjorie Taylor Greene claims "Democrats want civil war" as she attacks Stormy Daniels after Trump indictment. Lindsey Graham gets super emotional begging Fox News viewers to donate to Trump. "Nothing short of catastrophic": Federal judge strikes down ACA preventative care provision. Judge rules Fox defamation case can head to trial. HOSTS: Cenk Uygur (@CenkUygur), John Iadarola (@johniadarola) & Michael Shure (@michaelshure) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE: ☞ https://www.youtube.com/user/theyoungturks FACEBOOK: ☞ https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER: ☞ https://www.twitter.com/theyoungturks INSTAGRAM: ☞ https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK: ☞ https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕 Merch: https://shoptyt.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Bexie! Bexie! Drop it. Ladies and gentlemen, drop it. power panel all in studio in hour one, Jake Uger and the two epics, Epic one, Epic two, John Iderola, Michael's sure with you guys, damage report, of course, starts all of our programming at 1 o'clock Eastern. Check it out. Starts at and ends it, I say. But nonetheless, he's here. You're here for something. Yeah, yeah, this is coasting.

Yeah, we appreciate it. We appreciate it. Thank you. All right, guys, you know Trump got I'm indicted, you know there's going to be giant reactions. You know we've got that. You know we have a Q&on conspiracy later that involves diapers. Everybody knows this stuff. And then we've got dumb and dumber. Bobert went on Ruben's show. There's a teen pregnancy somewhere in there.

You got to put your mind behind figuring out how that led to a teen pregnancy. But anyways, we'll explain all down the show, crazy wild stuff. Hence, the news forward. The news. We're starting off with the diaper story. I'm kidding. Let's jump into this. He is now going to go through the process of getting arrested.

And I think that that is going to be much more jarring for him than I think people realize. This is somebody who has spent more than four decades trying to avoid being arrested or being indicted. And so this is a really scary moment for him despite whatever he says. Yes, according to Maggie Haberman behind the scenes, Donald Trump is incredibly scared. incredibly scared, but the image that he's putting forward, especially in social media, is designed to give you a very different impression. I'm gonna classify it as rage, really. You might not have seen his initial messages after the 34 indictments were announced.

He said these thugs and radical left monsters have just indicated the 45th President United States. This is an attack on our country, the likes of which has never been seen before. Forget Pearl Harbor. That was nothing. I'm getting added that part. And he says, of course, that because he's now been indicted, the U.S. is a third world nation. I thought we were a third world nation for like 20 different reasons he's already talked about over the last year. So he said that and he's been reposting just every single second of Fox News and those sorts of sites over the last day or so. He also asked a question. I guess he got distracted, like kind

of a squirrel moment where he just asked, where's Hunter? No word. And if he's he. he ever got an answer or what the hell that has to do with his legal troubles, but it's what he's thinking about at this point. Now, in the next couple of days, specifically as we approach Tuesday, no word on what he'll be thinking about then. I have assumed that the leaks will start over the weekend, but it will be Tuesday when he will actually be hauled before court unless he decides to hunker down in a basement of Mar-a-Lago or something. He will be fingerprinted, he will have a mugshot taken, although I know everyone is expecting now that we're just necessarily going to get that. I do not believe that New York law generally leads to the release of the mugshot.

It could be leaked. Sometimes they are, but we won't necessarily have those. What we will have come Tuesday is details of what those 34 indictments actually include, and we'll have a much better idea of the timeline going forward. All right, I have a confession. And you guys are not going to be surprised by my confession. I kind of love that Trump is scared. And so, and I told you he would be. Like there's people put way too much strategy into Donald Trump's head. There's only two brain cells bumping around there.

They hardly ever meet. And whenever they do, it's always about marketing and being in the spotlight and making this case in the most aggressive way possible. And that has served them well. But that's all he's got. He's a one-trick pony. And he's not like, oh, I'd love to be indicted to become a, because I'm a master's strategist and rook to bishop three, guess you know, he's, like Haberman said, his whole life

he's been a criminal, well, she didn't say that, but I'm saying it, and for four decades he's been trying to avoid the law, and he talks like a mobster, he says, oh, we don't like the rats, we don't like the snitches. I mean, he says stuff like that. By the way, he also said, I mean, who takes it for the amendment, people who were guilty? Then he took the Fifth Amendment like 400 times in one of these cases. Okay, so you get an overall sense of it. But like a lot of these bullies and fake tough guys that made an adhesive drama. Remember when there was just a protest around Black Lives Matter protests around the White House? He went and hit in the bunker.

He's a great egg coward. It's just that no one's ever punched him back in the nose. And so now that he got, you know, grazed or the thought that he might have to actually face some consequences, he's like, everybody from inside is like, well, some of them say he's scared, some of them say he's angry. all of them talk about he's going through a lot of emotions right now this is your tough guy maga enjoy yeah and it's the great equalizer for someone who has never had to play on the level playing field right is that he is now going to court he's now going to be judged not on what kind of president he is what he's saying how he's making fun of his opponents he's going to be

judged on the law and there's 34 counts against him which also means that there's a lot that none of us know except the people that are there because no one was expecting this many counts. And based on what we do know and what we have read and the alleged allegations and the things that Michael Cohen has said publicly and whatever has been leaked, we didn't know 34 counts worth of things. So that means this is probably worse. And I think that's informing John and Jenk why he is more scared than you would imagine this sort of behemoth to be. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm, look, I'm obviously not a lawyer. I think. Everybody knows that at first glance, but they did actually look like a lawyer.

Yeah, today you got to do. Yeah. Okay, well, then maybe if you've been involved in a personal injury or ride share accident. Anyway, I live too close to LAX. So anyway, look, when he paid back Michael Cohen, they split it up into a bunch of different payments. Is it possible that maybe it's for each time they did that? Each of those is a falsification of business records, I'm not sure. We do know that hush money payments are not illegal in New York for some reason. Seems like the sort of thing you'd set up if you were wealthy and you were in charge. But Trump could be charged with falsifying the business records of the Trump organization, mislabeling basically what they're intended to accomplish. They were intended to accomplish to pay back Michael Cohen for taking out a home equity loan

to pay off Stormy Daniels. Falsifying business records is just a misdemeanor. Again, the way you'd set it up if you were in charge, wouldn't you if you were powerful? But his attorney says that despite the idea that maybe he could reach some sort of plea agreement or something like that, he is not going to be doing that. He's not going to be admitting any guilt whatsoever. Take a look. Do you expect this to go to trial? Do you see any scenario in which you or the former president would take a plea deal? Zero, zero.

First of all, I'm not taking a plea deal to anything. But, you know, President Trump will not take a plea deal in this case. It's not going to happen. There's no crime. I don't know if it's going to make the trial. because we have substantial legal challenges that we have to front before we get to that point. So look, in theory, I guess they could reach some sort of plea deal, if that's something that Alvin Bragge and they're interested in. I don't know that it is. I haven't heard them talk

about it, but that might potentially like release this weight from his shoulders. It wouldn't be any help in the other, you know, impending lawsuits, whether it's, you know, the rape lawsuit that should be coming up very soon, the possibility that indictments could come down from Fulton County. And it would, in theory, if you cared about whether a politician had committed crimes, it would reassure some of his followers that it wasn't that serious. I don't know how many of them actually care. Donald Trump seems to relish the idea that he could still beat Ron DeSantis while facing these sorts of charges.

Again, I don't think that he actually wants to go to prison or anything like that. But I wonder, is he scared enough to admit guilt, which he definitely doesn't want to do, but has been forced to do in lawsuits in the past, civil lawsuits. Yeah, I mean, it's a good point that he does at some point sometimes cut bait, right? So both on Trump University and Trump charity, both enormous scams where he had to pay tens of millions of dollars in fines and admit guilt, he did. He was like, oh, okay, you caught me. It was almost like the kid with his hand in the cookie jar. He's like, no, it's not a fake charity.

No. Oh, you've got old evidence? Okay, fine, it is. What do I do I get spanked? Do I go to detention? What do I do, right? And so he had to pay it. By the way, guys, I mean, look, this is my main point overall anyway. Maga, look, I understand how it started, right? You guys wanted someone to drain the swamp. You hate the establishment. You're not wrong. They are lying to you. So you got really mad and you wanted to find someone who would tell the establishment off. But how it's going is you're now defending a guy who clearly broke the law in like half a dozen ways. because he was the former president. You're saying the former president, an elite, should not be held to the same standards as the rest of us. Yep.

That's the exact opposite of where you started. So get back on course, right? Like you're actually the Republicans in a thousand different ways could kick the Democrats ass if they actually just stuck with their anti-corruption messaging, right? And I don't mean the Republican politicians, they're awful, they're more corrupt than the Democrats are. But you guys found someone who would say the words drain the swamp. Good, good instinct, right? Can you please pick a non-crook?

Like, so, look, our problem on the left is we don't have anyone with courage to actually take on the establishment. Every time the media yells at them or Pelosi or Biden yells at them, they, you know, they got to rush out and get those diapers we're going to talk about later in the show, okay? And they get so nervous. Oh my God, what if cable news says me things about? me. Your guys on the other hand, you don't have that problem. You say anything you want, but you have the problem if you constantly pick con men, right? This guy's like legendary.

He makes P.T. Barnum look like child's play. He's the greatest con man in American history. That's another compliment I can give Donald Trump. Of course he slept with her, you know that. Of course he did the hush money payments, you know that, of course it breaks campaign finance laws, you know that. Funneling $420,000 back to Michael Cohn, he says, he went to prison for it, that's his co-conspirator. He says, yeah, of course that wasn't for legal expenses, it was to pay off Stormy Daniels.

And it's on tape, you all know he did it. And you, like, your only fallback position is, yeah, but Democrats do it too. Hey, listen, if you got a case of a Democrat breaking the law, and there are many, I'm going to be on your work, the progressives are going to be on your side. We don't want them. We don't want the crooks. The establishment of Democrats are a different story. That's their problem, not my problem, okay?

But I'm asking everybody, I know it's impossible, to be honest. No, we constantly have to pick teams and say, no, my guy's right, come hell or high water. No, he isn't right. He definitely broke these laws. And guys, if you falsified your business records, if you're a small business owner, you'd be in a world of hurt, world of hurt, right? And here now everybody's arguing, nope, former president shouldn't be held accountable. Absurd.

Right. I mean, it is absurd. And it's something we can't understand, right? Why do all these people still come to his defense when this happens? Why can't they see through this? Well, there's a hold that he has on a segment of people. that is cult-like. And when you follow a leader in a cult-like way, you do not see the flaws of that person implicitly. I mean, that's why you're following that person. And their flaws are

generally that they're leading the cult. So I think that that's why this happens. I think in Congress, and we'll probably talk about this later, I think, but there's this adherence to the fact that we have a gerrymandered Congress that has like 10 swing seats in it. And people are going to come to Donald Trump's defense because they know that it does nothing to them but help them and it can only hurt them not to because their districts are so far in one direction or another. I think that this guy Trump is now thinking he's scared because it's real now. He's got this because it's real. I think that Fulton County is going to come and I think it's going to come soon. I think January 6th is going to follow. I think there's going to be a, you know, there may be a

case in that rape case. So there is more to this. And I think that's why he might be, beginning to be scared. And I don't know where the breaking point is. I don't know where people wander away from this guy. Yeah, I think, you know, that's the, that's the what. Well, is it with those, the second set of charges, the third set of charges, or the third set of charges come out, he's now facing, you know, campaign finance, Fulton County, January 6th, possibly the rape as well. And they're still doing monologues about how this is just the deep state. But there isn't a standard bearer that in that party, other than Donald Trump now, that can come in and say, look, enough is enough, right? If Ted Cruz says that, what is that going to change? If Josh Hawley

says it, what's that going to change? If Mitt Romney has been saying it. So there isn't this magic person, and it's not Kevin McCarthy because he is barely the speaker. It doesn't appear to be Ron DeSantis. And it's not Ron DeSantis. I don't know, but I personally don't think Ron DeSan is even going to run for president, but that's another, that's another question for another time. He could become that if this thing just starts to fall like a house of cards. But I don't, I honestly, I don't know who. What can change this trajectory other than just people accepting the fact that he's got this 30% or whatever it is and work against him from there? But I don't, there's not a voice that says, okay, that's enough, right?

There's only one way to be Donald Trump. And that's on electability. Right. Because the whole point of the Republican base is to own the libs. And they love Trump because he's really good in their mind at owning the libs. But if you know he's going to lose and not be able to own the libs, well, that's the one reason you might vote. But what's complicated is you're right, electability, but his electability, someone's electability and his flawed electability, someone else's electability, hinges on the people that do support him coming out for someone else. Yeah, well, so look, last thing I think in this regard. So number one, if it was just this case, he's going to fight a tooth and nail with a thousand lawyers. And his main thing is he wants to get off on a technicality on the statute of limitations and how the state and federal charges.

intermingle. No one thinks he didn't do it. Everybody knows he did it. Even if you're Maga, you know he did it, right? You just pissed that they didn't put Hillary Clinton in jail too, right? So, but could he get off on that technicality and survive this case? Absolutely. He could survive in an, even if he didn't get off on the technicality, he might be able to win from prison if he's just this case. But that Georgia case is coming, right? And in that case, he said, find me votes to a guy who told him. There are no votes for you. He said, find me more votes. You can say, hey, well, look, maybe that's vague enough that he skirts on that too. Then you've got the Jack Smith, the special counsel at the federal level, who's investigating

both the documents that he brought to Mar-a-Lago and January 6th. January 6th to me is the most important one. You've got emails saying talking about fake electors, how they want to use fake electors. But again, it's a super hard thing to prove that he organized a coup. But now there's three cases. Then the document case is- I forgot about the documents. is crystal clear, crystal clear, all the way up to nuclear secrets, totally unguarded,

did not give them over, hid them over and over again. Again, any normal person, if you're a bureaucrat within the FBI, the CIA, NSA, et cetera, and you did 10% of what Trump did, you'd be facing a severe sentence, very severe. The documents case was a little bit emasculated by the fact that everybody except the National Archives had classified documents. No, yeah, but it's not, though. That's just in the court of public opinion. No, it's not just in the court of public opinion because you're right.

That's my tendency to say that too. But the pursuit of it becomes more complicated by it, even though Trump's lawyers fought back at it. Trump's, his case is so different from Mike Pence's and Joe Biden's and anyone else who had these documents. But the fighting back in, it's a more complicated thing. So look, look, that all depends on only one person. Smith, who's a special counsel, okay, because it was Merrick Garland, he wouldn't pursue it under penalty of law. Michael makes a great point. It's not kind of the point you're making, but I'll make this one. Biden, Merrick Garland, knowing that Biden did 5% of what Trump did,

would never pursue Trump, never on that charge, because he'd be so worried that they'd go after Biden afterwards, right? But Jack Smith, who knows? Maybe he's a principal guy, and goes, I don't care if you go after Biden and Pence and everybody else? No, he definitely broke the long moment. But the overall point is there's going to be, there are at least four credible cases. And at least two of them will be brought forward and one already has been, right? And so my guess is three or four of them are going to be brought forward. And I think soon. I think Fulton County, this is a hunch. I think Fulton County is coming soon. Yeah. So then all that someone has to do, but it's a very tall order for politicians. But you would need someone who is like Trump

to come out there on the Republican Party, forget Democrats, because they're never going to do it and they're not relevant in this stage. Republican, to come out and go, look, guys, this guy lost a Biden. Biden could barely walk. He's barely awake. He lost the Biden, right? And now he's like in prison or something in three or four different cases. What are we going to run this election from a prison cell in Georgia or Manhattan?

No, let's win. Okay, we'll help Donald Trump. Let's all help him. Let's contribute to his legal. defense and this is outrageous and they're coming after all of us. But guys, we've got to win the goddamn election, okay? Otherwise, it's going to be Sleepy Joe. That'll work. That'll work. But no one has that strength. That's what I was saying. Who is the person? It's not even question. Who that could have that strength would make it work? That's what I'm saying. I don't

think the person exists. I think that it's not a question of strength. I don't think there's a voice no matter how strong that could move people yet. And Tucker Carlson is like the single. watched cable news guy, and he is just desperate to get the Trump fans to love him once again after those texts came out. They're all just so scared. And I don't think it is one voice. I think it's they meet in a smoke-filled room and they all come out guns blazing. I think that if they all did it at the same time backing each other up so that they know that they're not the one person that's going to stick their head up and have it be blown off, then I think they could do something if all of the politicians and all of the pundits and all of the hosts came out.

But I just don't see it happening. All right, I'm lied, super lasting. Guys, think about that, man. Isn't that so damning of our entire political system? We can't find one strong person in the whole country, in the whole goddamn country. On the Republican side, oh, Descanth is supposed to be tough, tough. He's like the pucks of tawny Phil. Okay, he's like, am I going to see my shadow?

Am I going to see my shadow? You coward, get out there and fight like a man. And but he's not going to because he isn't. He's a coward. Lindsay Graham, Ted Cruz, all these people, coward pens, cowards. They're all cowards. So not one person can stand up to Donald Trump and bully him back. That's amazing.

And on the Democratic side, even worse, even worse. So all of the country can be saved by just one strong person saying the truth. And I can't find him. I think John's theory is better than your theory and probably, mind because there we've seen what's happened to the lonely voice in the crowd against Donald Trump. I mean, why would anybody do it? It hasn't proven successful. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liem. Buy your tickets now. I get a free Tilly Dog. Chilly Dog, not

included. The Naked Gun. Tickets on sale now. August 1st. For anybody, eight out of the ten people You know why strong people do what they do? Because they're strong. Right, but strong people have. I mean, there have been voices against this president within his own party. And they haven't been, they haven't been the kind of voices that you need because that's what I was saying earlier. I don't know who that person is. I don't know who the person is that steps forward and does that and can have success with it.

The people that have done it thus far haven't been successful. So it's that. Chris Christie came out and said under no circumstances. But he's not going to move millions. No, he's not. I mean, that's that, and look what, I mean, look what he was. Yeah, yeah, he can't, he can't mobilize people. He can't stop him from crossing a bridge, but he can't get them across the bridge.

Somebody like, and I'm not saying that this purpose, somebody like Mike Pompeo, somebody who worked with and for him, somebody who is smart. And so, I mean, I'm not saying Mike Pompeo. Somebody who came from his side and has a lot of people that respect him. Yeah. I don't, there, and I'm not, Mike Pompeo is not that person, by the way, because I don't think that that would, A, ever happen and B, that he would be able to move mountains, you know. You have to find someone who can mock him, who's strong enough to mock him. Chris, Christy and all the others have to pick themselves off the ground before they can go and fight him. They're so scared.

Like, Christy thinks like, oh, I'm getting him. Are you? No, the way you get him is what I, like, mock him, mock him. Yeah. And say, God damn it, man. And when are you going to stop costing us elections, all right? Step aside already and let a man handle this. You see what I just did there?

That would piss off liberals, right? That's how a Republicans should talk if they want to fight against Donald Trump. But Republicans can't even oust George Santos. I know, right? So what are we talking about? Yeah, they're all cowards. Okay, yeah. It turns out that being a strong man is the only character that George Santos isn't willing to play.

Unfortunately, he can save us all a lot of trouble. Okay, we have more to get to on the other side of this break, but stick around. We're going to respond to some of your comments after this. All right back on TYT, Jank Michael and John with you guys. Also Amanda Renzi, Zaynep Bulguch, and they just became members. Zaynep and Amanda, thank you so much, you're awesome. They hit the join button below the video on YouTube, but you can also be part of us and help us do this show and get the truth out there. If you do that, you could also do it through

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SoFi Stadium. But you look like you could like that's the exact outfit. That's why I'm growing in here. And then you rip it off and there'd be a dragon shirt underneath. I thought he was a lawyer. And then when you beat your opponent, you throw a dragon on top of them. It'll work. You have to read that.

Are there names of the people that just joined to read the second name? The second name deserves another reading than the one you gave the first time. Zaynep Bulguch. Okay, that was good. That's not. It's a Turkish name. It's a Turkish name. That's why, okay.

Okay, with that, let's have a little bit of fun talking about some people who are having anything but. Democrats are branding Trump as a criminal. It's legally pathetic. It's clickbait. It is an unbelievable abuse of justice. Pure balderdash. My heart is broken. I had some tears in my eyes.

Looking a little emotional, I feel the same way. Okay, so you see some people there who are. people there who are actually aggrieved, they're feeling rage, they're feeling sadness. Some of them have been outed already as deeply despising Donald Trump, but they know that they need to pretend to care about the charges that he's facing, so they're doing their best. And at the same time, they're attempting to convince their audience that the charges that Trump are facing is not just about him and the things that he's done. This is something much bigger and much more dangerous.

Watch. If there's a mugshot of Donald Trump, it'll be in dorm rooms. on t-shirts. He is an OG. Even if convicted, that's not going to stop him. Donald Trump could run in park on saying, I'm going to pardon myself and go after the deep state. It's not open for a debate that we live in a police state. It's like Stalin's purges. We're crossing the Rubicon here. This is a political Rubicon that has been crossed. They have crossed the Rubicon. Basically, it's one party hunting another. It almost feels like they're pushing the population

to react. It is a war on conservatism and maga. They want you to strike out. People better be careful. And that's all I'll say about that. Yeah, so many, many of them saying they want war. We're going to give you a couple of examples of that. In some cases, you have them pushing back saying don't do that.

Don't give them what they want. But all too often, these punits are just saying, it's almost like they want you to strike back. Back to you. I feel like you have a responsibility maybe following the coup to say that violence is a bad thing and we shouldn't pursue it. But anyway, they're going through a lot, clearly. Yeah, so look, guys, there's two different kinds of political prosecutions, not persecutions, okay? So one is politically motivated, and that's the Banana Republic thing that everybody talks about. I think the best example of that is what they did to Lula in Brazil.

So the right wing saw someone who was incredibly popular progressive. He was in office. And he was, among other things, wanted the natural resources of Brazil to be for the people of Brazil. I think he was popular. It was like 78%, etc. They literally invented corruption charges against them. And of all people, Glenn Greenwald back when he was sane, had done, Brilliant reporting on that and exposed it 100%.

So that's where you make up evidence and you go and unjustly imprison a political opponent. Then there's the other kind where you say, okay, somebody in power did something wrong. We should hold them accountable. That is not a banana republic. That's actually the opposite of a banana republic. So for example, in France, Sarkozy has been up on several charges. He used to be the leader of the country. Well, yes, but one of them, by the way, I think, I believe is on campaign finance violations.

Well, if you break the law and there's fraud and corruption charges, Netanyahu is under corruption charges. So there's tons of places where there's someone who's in charge that breaks the law, and in a developed country, you hold them accountable because there is such a thing as rule of law. So the question isn't, is the person a politician? Because they should never get a pass for being a politician, and they should not be persecuted for being a politician. politician. The question is, did they break the law or didn't they? Now, if you notice, none of those guys, they just keep saying like, ah, it's just ridiculous that they charged them on this. They don't say that he didn't do it, because everyone knows he definitely did it. They're just saying, well, it had something to do with sex, and that seems silly.

And now, technical violations, bookkeeping, now you're supposed to keep your books right? Yeah, yeah, you're supposed to keep your books right. Something to do with sex didn't matter when Bill Clinton was in office to any of these people. Yeah, what it was about Bill Clinton and on something far, far, far less. They're like, put him away, right? When it's Trump and he's breaking them broken, like half a dozen laws in this one case, they're like, whatever, man, okay? No, whatever man is not a legal defense.

So, and all these guys, none of them even mean it to do what John said earlier. These guys, half of them, no, what am I talking about 98% of them hate Trump, right? So they go out there and they do this performative theatrics where they're like, I almost cried, I had tears in my eyes. Right? And then they encourage the violence and they're like, I'm not saying people should do something, but like, I mean, everything but wink, you saw the video. They're like, oh, they're crossing the Rubicon. And there's one last thing about crossing the Rubicon. It's not just threats of potential street violence and stochastic terrorism. It is a warning. If you come to, for our lawbreakers, we're going to come for your politicians, whether they broke the law or didn't break the law.

We don't care. We're going to pretend this isn't about the law. We're going to pretend that we're just randomly prosecuting politicians on both sides. So that when I come to arrest your political leaders randomly, my view followers will say, oh, yeah, we're just striking back. So what did they didn't break the law? So what? Okay. They did it to us.

Guaranteed. That is what they will say word for word. Yeah. And there's, you know, the other part of it is. that they're saying things just to create this echo chamber. And that happens by accident, too, is that they do create this. I mean, you looked at the bridge that they showed those people out on. There aren't a lot of people in the streets upset about this.

They're making this happen because the people that watch their shows are pretty excited about it. And they're wrong about it. As Johnny pointed out early in the show, New York doesn't release mug shots. And I don't disagree. That's the only person I don't disagree with. That mugshot, it will be Donald Trump with his million-dollar smile. it's not going to be some somber guy in a jumpsuit. It's going to, I would say, become very popular once it's leaked by TMZ, whoever would let it out. But they don't release those things.

You cannot also pardon someone federally. Only Governor Hokel, I think, can pardon Donald Trump. And I don't see that happening. You can't pardon someone from if Trump were to become president again. He could not pardon himself in a state crime. That will play later in the federal crimes that he will likely be indicted for. So this is, you know, They're just grasping at straws. I'm sure none of them know who crossed the Rubicon in the first place. They're saying it because they're saying it. It was Julius Caesar, by the way.

But it was Washington. But it was Washington. And then it was, well, he crossed it later. It's first American to cross, I think. And so this is the theater of what we knew would happen. These are scripts that were written weeks ago for when these would come down. These guests were probably booked weeks ago for when it came down. And here's the fruits of all that.

I'm we we've we've touched on this topic but I want to set us up for a conversation though there have previously been calls by Donald Trump and many of his supporters to protest when he had announced that he was going to be arrested a week and a half ago and it didn't happen there were calls for it and there were many little protests there were there are dozens of them but anyway not many people actually came together and so far after the indictments have been announced again there have not been a lot of people I think 20 people were outside of Mar-a-lago in a show of support if that can be said to be a show of support.

But today, that wasn't the big day, obviously. The big day potentially is Tuesday. And some people will be there. We're gonna get to that in one sec, but first, I just wanna remind you that Marjorie Green is saying that Democrats want civil war. I've asked many of the Democrats I know and none of them seem to want civil war, but she's sure of it. And then goes on to, you know, again, everybody is convinced that George Soros is behind this guy that Soros has not donated to. And Soros wants full control. So a little bit of anti-Semitism.

Marjorie Green will never learn her lessons and she doesn't have to because there's no accountability. More importantly though, she says that she's going to New York on Tuesday. We must protest the unconstitutional witch hunt, she says, which marks a pretty big change of heart from 13 days ago when she tweeted, we don't need to protest about the communists, Democrats planning to arrest President Trump. She at that point was saying no, like when they say that we're gonna protest and hurt people, That's a false flag, they're going to do it. So don't protest because that'll set them up to do it. Less than two weeks later, she is now apparently going to be headed to New York.

And so the protest thus far haven't really materialized, but I am curious what both of you think. This is the day he'll actually be arrested. I don't know if between now and then he'll call for them to protest. He seems to have backed off a little bit on the violent, like calls for violence. Do you think, is she going to be there? Is she going to be leading the next January 6th? What's going to happen come Tuesday? So a couple things. First of all, under her own logic, she is the false flag operation.

Like, I don't think that's it. There's a false flag operation. But she said, man, if anybody goes to protest, that's the FBI doing a false flag operation. She said right afterwards, I'm going to protest. Okay, I mean, should I take you out your word? Okay. Green is Antifa. Apparently, and deep state, deep state, okay. I thought she was mainly deep margin, but okay. So in her tweet about Soros, this is important. Look, important distinction. Soros didn't give to Alvin Bragg directly, and he says he's never met him. But his political organizations did give to color of change, which I think is a wonderful organization overall, but color of change did give a lot of money to Alvin Bragg.

So it's not to say that Soros's money never got to Alvin Bragg. it did. Jonathan Soros, his son also donated, but in his case directly to Alvin Bragg, a lot less, but donated to him directly. So now, so I'm not in the camp of there are no donors and the donors don't matter and nobody cares about the donors. I'm in the exact opposite camp. And if I could, I think all the money out of politics, including every time of George Soros and Johnson, Soros and Koch brothers and Mercer's and people on both sides, okay? But she said at the end of her tweet, and Soros wants war to destabilize America and gain full control.

That's deeply anti-Semitic, okay, and deranged. So let me explain for those of you who might not know. Really, there's a history behind it. So in the lead up to World War II, the fascists said the Jews were responsible. for World War One, they started the war, they start the wars, they're responsible. Why do they do it? Because they want to control everything. I mean, this is as close to word for word of that kind of fashion's propaganda as you will see anywhere. And there's tons of non-Jewish donors that they could pick from, including corporations, ExxonMobil, Big Pharma.

I mean, my God, the right wing hates Big Pharma. You could easily say, look at Big Pharma donating to X, Y, or Z, right? Or to other prosecutors, et cetera. No, they always picked a Jewish donor and okay, look, they're among the donors. I want to get their money out too. But then to say that they, he's gonna start a war within the country because Soros alone wants full control, that's not just guys, first of all, just now you don't know the history, so it's definitely anti-Semitic and it's meant to be anti-Semitic. But on top of that, don't like, people in your, in her district, you don't get that that's deranged.

Like, here's what the donors want, money. Nine out of ten times they want money. So Exxon Mobil, Pfizer, Sheldon Adelson, Charles Koch, they all donate so they can get more money, okay, having nothing to do with their religion or background or whether even a human being. So now Soros would say no, he does it out of the goodness of his heart, he's trying to help different causes, et cetera. Maybe you take him out of his word, maybe you don't. I don't care. Don't take him out of his word. Say he's a liar.

Say he just wants the money. But to say that he wants to start a war so that Americans will murder each other and then he could have full control, that's deranged. None of them, ExxonMobil doesn't want that. I hate Charles Koch and he doesn't want that. Soros doesn't want it. You'd have to be a lunatic to believe that. Disney, maybe.

They can make a good movie out of it. Yeah, you're on point. I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing to challenge there. You know, one thing I will say is that in these calls to arms that are happening and, you know, that I think that the relentless prosecution of the January 6th offenders is informing the fact that there isn't, you know, I don't, and there's nothing predicted of any kind of, you know, in the street violence uprising. I really think that you have to give credit to the Justice Department for what they've been doing with the January 6 defendants, because the there this is not just a party anymore.

People are going to jail for a long period of time. And hopefully these calls to arms that have been going out and calls to, you know, take back our streets or whatever the hell they want to call it, won't materialize around the the legitimate indictment it would seem of Donald Trump. Lastly on this, if you're a MAGA guy and you don't believe any of us and you love Trump and you want to go approaches, okay, no problem. Keep it peaceful if you can. If you're peaceful, I don't mind you. Of course. I don't know about anybody else.

None of us mind you protesting, God bless, have added us, okay? And by the way, a lot of the people that went on January 6th did not go into the building. They just came and watched the speech and went home, nothing wrong with that, okay? The people that went into the building and did the violence and threatened the violence is the problem, right? So, but if you're going to do that and you might get arrested, why don't you ask Donald Trump, demand of Donald Trump, that he pays the legal fees? He raised hundreds of millions of dollars for legal defense. He didn't spend one dime of it on any of you guys, not us, who cares about us?

The Macca guys, the most hardcore Macca guys, who said, I'll go into the building for you, I'll be your private militia for you, I'll execute your vice president for you, I'll do anything for you. He hasn't given them a dime. When are you going to realize the guy's a con man? At least ask for if he's going to call them martyrs and political prisoners, ask that he pay for their legal defense, which he can afford so easily with the money you gave him. It's the money you gave him. It's the money you gave him. Yep, probably not going to happen.

Okay, we're going to take one last break. Lots more to get to, though. Don't go anywhere. All right, back in America. I just said back in America. That's what I was about to say. Anyway, we are, we are back in America. Anyway, TYT, Jank John and Michael with you guys.

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Here's an example. Joining us now, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham is with us. Senator, welcome to the program. Thank you for being here. Let's get your reaction you are. If you got a pile of crap and he chop it up 34 times, it's still a pile of crap. It's duplicitous charging.

They're trying to smear the guys. They're trying to take cases that nobody else would take and resurrect them. This is literally legal voodoo. This is political persecution. I don't think it's literally legal voodoo. That seems exciting. I'd read that screenplay, but I don't think that's what it is. But Lizzie Graham is obviously going through a lot.

You can hear it in his voice. You can see it in his glistening eyes. He's very much affected by the legal troubles that his great longtime friend Donald Trump is experiencing. And he's worried about Trump. He's specifically worried about Trump's financial state, but he's got a solution for that. To the conservatives out there, make sure you vote. If you got friends, make sure they vote. If you don't have any friends, go make some friends.

But you need to help this man, Donald J. Trump. They're trying to drain him dry. He spent more money on lawyers than most people spend on campaigns. They're trying to bleed him dry. Donald J.Trump.com, go tonight, give the president some money to fight this bull. This is going to destroy America. We're going to fight back at the ballot box. We're not going to give in.

How does this end, Sean? Trump wins in court, and he wins the election. That's how this wins. Ends, Donald J.Trump.com. Give the man some money so he can fight. I feel bad sometimes for conservatives. they're being told to spend their last dollar to give it to a literal billionaire so that he can defend himself for the crimes that he committed.

And they're also insulted along the way as being friendless. Man, these right wingers really don't respect the audience. Now, we're going to get to an awesome and hilarious piece of hypocrisy from Lizzie Graham in a second. But drain him dry? Don't do that. Okay. Wasn't that the problem in the first place? Yeah.

And I mean, so hyperbole, that's how we got here. Anyway, I don't support what I just said. But look, guys, I've said this now many times, including earlier in the show, if he never gave any of the money that he raised for legal defense, hundreds of millions of dollars to any of the January 6 guys, didn't help them one dime. All he cares about is himself. He already has a couple hundred million dollars for legal defense. That'll do it. That's plenty of money. Legal defense costs a lot of money.

It doesn't cost that much. And then second of all, is he or isn't he a billionaire? Why are you guys, I mean, look, if you're making $15 an hour, like a lot of Republican politicians say that's too much, right? But if you are, congrats, you're making about $31,000 a year. You're going to give money to Donald Trump, who says he has $10 billion? Why? Look, man, it's your money. And if you're a right winger, I kind of like you wasting it politically.

I don't like you wasting it in real life, right? But, I mean, that could be going to other Republican politicians, et cetera. But weirdly, I'm looking out for you. Why the hell would you give it to that guy? Because this weirdo who doesn't believe a word he's saying, Lizzie, you all know how fake Lindsey Graham is. If you're MAGA, you know how pathetic he is, right? And they're pretending to cry out.

God, I've never seen a worse snivel in my weasel in my life than Lizzie Graham. Can I make that my ring tongue? It could be. These are like mega churches, right? I mean, these are like the pastors who go on TV and ask for your money, ask for your money, it's for the church, it's for the people, it's for what we're doing. And then they go back and they raise their salaries and they raise the salaries of everyone who works at the church and everybody's getting the money and they're keeping the money.

And they're raising it on the backs of people who don't have it. I've been to so many, I've probably been to 100 and that's not exaggerating, probably close to 100 anyway, Trump rallies and Trump things. And at these places, you meet people who look like they need every dollar they have. And I don't mean that. You see the kind of cars they drive up in. You see, and not all of them, but these are people that are giving money that are being taken advantage of them. I actually feel, I mean, I feel badly for these people.

I think others feel badly for them too because they're being taken advantage of them. Then you have Lindsey Graham go on TV and say that somehow by sending a check to Donald Trump, you are going to save America because this case in his eyes is unjust. And this pleading, the almost tears that you saw from Lindsey Graham, those are the kind of things that are the saddest part of this whole MAGA era is the people that he's taken advantage of all the way through. It's like the Trump University. It's like the veteran scam that he had, all of that. It's taking advantage of people for the bottom line being dollars. Yeah, yeah, I remember, you know, you said you feel bad for them. I remember covering back

around the 2020 election, they had that scam. It wasn't just Trump, but Trump was by far the worst where they would have people sign up and then they would effectively trick them with check boxes into signing up for automatic recurring donations of the same size. And there were elderly conservatives whose entire bank account was just drained from these automatic things. And they had to fight like hell to get their money back. And Trump didn't care. They just kept doing it over and over again. So that's pathetic. And I feel bad for them. I don't feel too bad for Lindsay Graham, though, despite the fact that man, that guy has fallen far over the years. If you're, New to American politics, you might see those videos we showed. You didn't think that's who

Lindsey Graham is. But remember, he used to be kind of different, especially in how we spoke about Donald Trump. Here's what I think. I think Donald Trump is a political car wreck, and he shouldn't be commander chief. He's becoming a jackass at a time when we need to have a serious debate about the future of the party in the country. What is your reaction to hearing what Donald Trump says? I disgusted. He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious big. He doesn't represent my party. He doesn't represent the values that the men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for. And you know how you make America great again till Donald Trump to go to hell.

There are harsh words, maybe not as harsh as the things Tucker Carlson has said about Trump, but they're still pretty rough. Yeah, no, Lizzie Graham does not have a body double. That was not a doppelanger. Incredible. We just learned about him, too. Like he said, he's been looking for a friend for a long time. And he finally found one. And that friend is Donald Trump.

It's his friend. Lindsay got a friend. Yeah. So I watched a lot of those clips, and we covered a lot of those clips at the time. He went on to saying that conversation on CNN, that Donald Trump emboldens our enemies. And that he's such a national security threat that we should go to DefCon 4. Now, to be fair to Lindsay Graham, there is one thing he's always been consistent on, which is starting wars. So he probably wanted to do that for a number of reasons.

But guys, this is not some sort of change of heart. He didn't go to church. Although Michael's analogy is a great one, so great that I used it earlier. I'm so amused by myself. Anyway, so when, no, but seriously, the idea that these are preachers in a sense, the new preachers, I think is exactly right. And so I think the Tucker Carlson's, et cetera, are like at setting up the mega, churches, right? And they're the top preachers. And these are like junior preachers, like visiting preachers that come on these politicians. And so they got to do the act. They got to, you know,

speak in gibberish and play with snakes and stuff and do the carnival and then do some juggling, right? And be like, ah, right? But it's all like bread and circus. And it's always been entertainment, whether it was religion or it was the gladiators back in Rome or it's or it's Fox News today. It's always a way to entertain you, but as a way of tricking you and mollifying you and making sure you don't see the real problems. That's literally why the Roman emperors did those things where they, you know, not only the gladiators, but feeding the Christians to the lions, et cetera, et cetera, was like, hey, fight the others, blame the others. Don't look at me, I'm the real problem, I'm the goddamn emperor, right? It was all a distraction.

And that's what's happening. And Lindsey Graham has never believed the word he's saying in all the politics. I mean, he's like you see a character in a movie. And I mean the most B-rate movie you've ever seen. And it undersells what kind of a grease ball Lindsay Graham is as a politician. 100%. Okay, I think we have a few brief moments for an important piece of still semi-breaking news. Let's jump into that.

We've got some bad news for the Murdox and for Fox News. A judge has intervened and stopped Fox's attempts to prematurely end the Dominion lawsuit. The $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit that they're currently facing. Now, bear in mind, a judge can, if they choose to in some cases, throw out a case in entirely or grant a win to the plaintiff. And Fox was very much hoping that that's what the outcome would be. But it wasn't. Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric Davis issued his ruling, rejecting Fox's attempts to end the case and granted a partial win to Dominion, which means right now that unless some sort of settlement is reached or somebody intervenes, this case will be going to court

apparently sometime later this year. And the very future of Fox could potentially ride on what happens there. So understand what Fox was trying to accomplish in the early parts of this legal case. They argued that the statements that had been made on air by their hosts and by guests were protected under the First Amendment. Dominion had failed to show that the statements were made with actual malice and that Dominion had failed to prove damages. And apparently the judge didn't buy any of those. Dominion said that Fox, quote, gave life to a manufactured storyline about Dominion rigging the election for Joe Biden when they, quote, endorsed, repeated and broadcast a series of verifiably false yet devastating lies about Dominion. And they specifically provided evidence about 20 statements made by Fox that they argued constituted Dominion.

For each of these 20, the judge found that Fox asserted their statements as facts and not opinion, which is protected speech. They were not presented as a speculation, a thought. They were they were articulated as facts. being given by hosts, which are supposed to be able to be trusted. The judge said specifically, when viewed in the full context of the overall communication expressed during the segment, a reasonable viewer would understand that the Fox News on air personalities are asserting facts regarding dominion, not an opinion. As such, the court finds that the statement asserts facts and therefore not protected under the opinion privilege.

Also specifically said that they were found to be lies as well. The evidence developed, in the civil proceeding demonstrates that is crystal clear that none of the statements relating to dominion about the 2020 election are true. Therefore, the court will grant summary judgment in favor of dominion on the element of falsity. And so Fox was hoping that First Amendment, that would just be their blanket protection here. That was not the case. And look, we've seen a lot of texts and we've seen a lot of emails. We understand, as Fox understood, from the producers to the hosts, to the execs, they knew they needed to tell these lies, They knew they needed to bring on people to tell these lies specifically to not lose their audience.

They reference losing subscribers on Fox Nation. They reference viewers sending social media messages of anger, going to watch Newsmax instead. The entire motivation behind what happened in the wake of the 2020 election could not be any clearer. Okay, so by the way, I'll take a little bit of pride. Apparently we're stronger than Murdoch over here because sometimes when people go, Oh, yeah, you know, you're going to lose subscribers. And sometimes we'll have a controversial opinion that doesn't match orthodoxy and we'll lose some subscribers. And I go like this, because our job is to bring you the truth and not to just make you happy no matter where the facts are, right?

But Murdoch and the Fox News family apparently looked over and said, well, we know what's true, but we don't really give it, Dan, because our guys, our audience doesn't want the truth. So just give them lies, right? And that's cowardly on top of greedy. Okay, so now, as to the legal judgment here, look, normally surviving emotion dismiss is not that big a deal because it's just the first part of the trial where you go, do they have a case or do they, or is there no case at all, right? So it shouldn't be that big a news story. But in this case, surviving that motion to dismiss is kind of a big deal.

It's a little bit of an exception for two reasons. One is, it is very easy to dismiss defamation cases. First of all, truth is a defense. So if Fox went in there and said, well, Donald Trump did win the election and Dominion did rig it, well, then that's true and then the case is dismissed, right? But what the judge is saying is, no, that is not true. Fox is shown, as is the case for Donald Trump when he went to court 60 different times in his allies after the 2020 election.

They presented zero evidence that the election was stolen and that Dominion did it. So that's pretty relevant. Now they'll have to prove again in the actual trial and that's a huge part of it, right? And by the way, if you're a MAGA guy, you'd love that this trial's happening. You guys finally get to prove that the election was stolen. It's a golden opportunity. National case, everybody's paying attention. Everybody bring their evidence.

Dinesh, make sure you talk to Murdoch and stuff, get them all that. The 2,000 meals, 4,000 meals, bring all the mules you got. And all the, and all the my pillows you have. Yeah, bring the mules and the pillows. Get Sidney Powell in there. Okay, yeah. And the Cracken, I didn't know that was released at some point. Doing it four seasons landscape.

And the massive dumps. That's what Trump was talking about. Oh, got massive dumps of evidence. Perfect. You're going to save Fox News $1.6 billion. Okay, but the second reason why it's relevant is the opinion privilege. So in this, in this rare instance, you could in a motion to dismiss say, look, there shouldn't even be a trial because I said I don't like her dress, that's my opinion, doesn't mean

there's anything wrong with the dress, in which case you could get a summary judgment. You could get a motion to dismiss because that's not defamation if it's just your opinion. And here the judge is making a definitive ruling, no, it was not your opinion. You stated it as fact. So now, look, normally a lot of this stuff is about how much you're going to do. going to pay in a settlement. That's what nobody tells you, okay? You think it's going to go all the way to trial and it's Fox and sometimes they do fight it all the way through and it can happen, especially in a case that's this public and has already gone this far. But nine out of

ten times things settle. But the price fluctuates depending on how the trial is going and how the process is going. So when you get past a motion to dismiss, the amount that Fox News has to pay is more. It normally be a little bit more, but given that already Dominion has proven to the court several critical factors in this case, now it's going to be a lot more. It's like a huge episode of deal or no deal. No, but it is though, that's a great analogy. It is. And so right now Murdoch's going, God, damn it, because this decision costs them several hundred million dollars today. Yeah, no question it did. And whether it goes to trial or not, we don't know. But I could see

Fox saying, because of what you just said, we'll pay it and be done with it. Yeah. So and the price they're going to pay went up by, I don't know what the number is, 100 million, 400 million, but it went up a lot today. And they said the jury could find for as much as a billion dollars in this case, which is a lot of money, even for murder. Yeah. So if it gets settled out of court and you never find out the number, which is normal, trust me that after this decision, it's going to be high. Okay. So if you wanted Fox News hurt, they were hurt today. All right, we've got. We've got We've got to go. We're crazy out of time. Everybody check out damage report. Michael's staying for a little bit longer. And we've got the crazy diaper story. And the new conspiracy theory. Lauren Bobert's kid had sex with an underage girl. Of course, he's also underage. Pregnancy. What did they decide to do? It's a wonderful mess. And I said I'm staying.

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