The Young Turks - The FBI Investigation Into Kavanaugh Is Complete And Lindsey Graham Brags About Not Needing To Read It

Episode Date: October 5, 2018

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It's not like I was being sarcastic, but Wednesdays, this is the Dambridge report line up. Exactly. Straight up. But right now, The Young Turks. And we've got all the young Turksie and sorts of things that you have come to love and expect. We're going to talk about Kavana, obviously. There are so many updates that we have to go over, both in terms of what the investigation that is now being reviewed by the Senate actually included. And also little indications of how the vote that's going to happen in the next 48 hours might actually go down.

But beyond that, we have got a report from inside an ICE detention center of horrific conditions. Actually, conditions of, I would say, a life and death sort that we're going to be talking about. The EPA loosening regulations on, like I'm not ending that sentence there, you would never be able to guess what they want you to have more of in your body. It's like something out of a comic book. We'll explain that a little bit later on. And then Rebel HQ's Emma Vigland has gone to another Trump rally.

That is always fun. She asked them this time about Medicare for All, very interesting responses from them to close out the first hour. Emma is doing very important work for you all, you know. She goes and she asks the right questions and has this calmness about her and the responses. She does. And ask the right questions in response, instead of just a normal, oh, well, that's what the pulse of the American people are saying, it's what the Heartland is saying.

And the Heartland said so, so it makes sense. Yeah. No, just ask more questions. And it's, look, it's not easy, I wouldn't want to do it. So more power to her. This is what she is amazing at, is going to that sort of environment. And so we're gonna show quite a few of the videos from that. But JR's gonna join me in the first hour.

In the second hour, we're gonna have Ida Rodriguez and Nandovila are gonna be joining us for another full hour. Great stories there. We'll give you a little preview of what to expect a little bit later on the show. Before we get into the prepared material though, I saw something and I just wanna briefly go over it. Bernie Sanders, we know, is a good person. You know, he seems like a good person. Also, you know, the things he's accomplished, like with Amazon. Help me to pressure them to raise their minimum wage recently.

But he's like almost kind of like a superhero. And the reason is this story I just saw from Business Insider. So Amy Carrotto was on Capitol Hill, this is yesterday, and she was walking around. And as many young people are, she wasn't really paying attention to what was going on. And she started to walk into a busy intersection. Oh, my God. Now, thankfully, there was a good Samaritan nearby who yelled, ma'am, ma'am, get out of the road.

I should have done the voice better. It was Bernie Sanders, who was stopping her from walking right into traffic. She says that she stopped. I did not immediately get off the street, even though there was a ton of traffic because I was in awe to see him, almost like an angel had come down, and you just can't stop, but look at it. And he tried to continue to bring her on the sidewalk, saying, ma'am, you've got to get off the street, you've got to get off the street, which she did, not to save her.

life, but to take a selfie with him. And then, like with Clark Kent, he immediately bolted towards the Senate afterward as people started to notice and a crowd started to come around. Who added the Clark Kent part? You? I just did. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, as soon as people noticed that he had saved this woman, he ran to the Senate building. This is a real story. How is this real? Okay, everyone talks about how, you know, the old man tendencies of Bernie saying this, I must be older than him because I would have been barking and, like, what are you doing? You stupid young person, you.

Don't say that stuff. That's not necessary to save her life, and that's what he did. He cut right through it. I would have gotten her attention. She would have gotten out of the road. I would have saved her life, too. I just would have done it with a lot less class. But the job would have been handled. And I would have told him, like, seriously,

you're sitting on the curb now, scared. No, not taking a picture with you. No, get up and go back to work. What's wrong with you? Put your phones down. About Bernie and about J.R. Anyway, good job Bernie Sanders. Thank you for saving that life. Hopefully, if he becomes president, he'll have an opportunity to put policies in effect that will save many more lives.

Oh, but you're talking about me. No, you haven't done anything. So you deserve no credit. Okay, let's jump into the important news of the day. As we speak, senators and a limited number of aides have a limited amount of time to look at the one copy of the finished FBI investigation. There's one printed up document in a very secure location that they can go into for a very short period of time and take a look at it.

There's going to be no leaks. You and I will probably never see what is in that document, but we can sort of get an idea of what's in it from what different people are saying. So the White House initially last night said they were very pleased with what was in it and what wasn't in it. And that is based on not looking at it for even a second. Like with all of Donald Trump's book reviews that he tweets out, he didn't read it. But he also doesn't care, and he doesn't need to see it.

There's also people like Lindsey Graham, who said that they're not going to read it. the entire thing because they already know how they're gonna vote, obviously. But I want to talk about the actual conduct of the FBI, what was investigated, what wasn't investigated. There were concerns along the way that the investigation was being purposefully hamstrung, and its scope was limited, both in time and how many people they could talk to. That was how they announced it, remember, last weekend, was that it would be limited in scope, but they haven't liked the media attention around that. They want the aura, if not the reality, of having an actual substantive investigation designed to get to the truth. And so President Trump has insisted

publicly that he was not curtailing the inquiry, but privately the White House restricted the FBI from delving deeply into Kavanaugh's drinking in high school and college and exploring whether he lied to Congress about his alcohol use, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. And beyond that, there were many other limitations on the investigation. First of all, the Senate Republicans have tried to distance themselves from these concerns about too much control being put over the FBI, saying that they haven't provided any sort of limited list of who the FBI can talk to. They should have communicated that with the White House, though, because the White House came

out and said that the Senate had given them a list of four witnesses that they wanted the FBI to talk to, and that's it. And wait until you hear who was and was not on that list of witnesses. Because here's the thing. This is about a sexual assault accusation. It's about more than one. But it's primarily about one, and there's the accuser, and there's the accused. And neither of them were interviewed for this investigation.

Because apparently during, of course, the testimony that went down last Thursday, I believe it was, yeah, both got to speak. So then they said, we're just going to submit that into the record. The FBI hasn't any anything to do with it. But actually, during that entire time, that was, that inquiry or that testimony was conducted by senators from both sides of the aisle. Of course, some that were in support of Kavanaugh, and it happens vice versa. One's that were in support of Kavanaugh, the questions weren't really questions when they got to talk to him. And also, when Dr. Blasey Ford was there, the questions were conducted by the special investigator or the prosecutor, right? So that was taken care of in that way.

That's not the FBI. That's not their expertise. Many centers don't have any expertise in anything. You've got to be honest, instead of being politicians because their staff does all the work. So when you have that scenario where they're there to ask both of them questions, and they're And that's what we're going to submit to the FBI. What would we need the FBI for anyway? So if I see a crime happened or I think I saw a crime happen,

am I qualified to go and conduct the investigation or do I call the police and say, hey, you guys should conduct this investigation about how my car got stolen? Or should I go out on the streets and start trying to find someone who stole my car and conduct the investigation? No, it's not my place. That's for the authorities to handle. Well, look, that's one angle. The other angle is if you're accused of a crime and you're worried about perhaps

cracking under the questioning that you might face, just record a selfie video of you talking about what happened, and as long as you've got that, why should any experienced interrogator actually talk to you? It's ridiculous. Of course it's ridiculous. Republican senators don't mind. They think it's perfectly fine because they don't want any additional information. Every bit of information that has come out since this FBI investigation started has hurt Kavanaugh's credibility, and so they don't want any more. Republican voters don't care at all because they've never been interested in the actual facts of whether Kavanaugh assaulted Christine Blasey Ford. And honestly, more importantly, and perhaps more scary, they don't care either way.

Whether it happened or it didn't happen, they don't find that to be something that should disqualify you from being on the Supreme Court. Because there was something else that I thought. If you do, fine, you have their submitted testimony, their sworn testimony from last week. Now, if the FBI interrogates each of them, you might have some discrepancies in their own stories. That's the first thing I thought. I was like, well, of course you interview the first two players in the whole scenario first. Then if there's any discrepancies in their stories, you're thinking, oh, what point were

they not telling the same truth? Who knows? Again, if you're looking for the truth, maybe the accuser is the one who's not telling the truth to the FBI. Don't you want that answer? Don't you want the FBI to interrogate her and ask her the same thing that she was asked before? Nope, not interested.

So her lawyers have put out a statement saying that this is, it cannot be called an investigation since it didn't interview her, nor the witnesses that they put forward who could corroborate her testimony, they're profoundly disappointed. And they should be because they had between 8 and 20, depending on who you talk to, witnesses that they said could corroborate what happened 36 years ago. The FBI talked to literally none of them. They were not interested. There's a similar sort of situation with some of the other accusations.

So Deborah Ramirez, they did actually interview. That was the second accuser. But all of the various people that say that they can corroborate. that at the time they knew that Brett Kavanaugh had done what Deborah Ramirez alleged as she did, they did an interview because they don't care. Mark Judge, they talked to Mark Judge, but did they go and talk to the supermarket that she says she saw him working at that could sort of hone in on exactly when this alleged assault happened? No, they didn't do that. And apparently were barred from doing it. So again, the Senate Republicans and the White House

want to say that they're not getting involved in this. They're not limiting it. But that is what actually happened in terms of the witnesses and in terms of what areas of investigation they could actually go into. I want to give you a little bit more information about what the FBI could have gotten from some of those witnesses that Deborah Ramirez suggested. One has gone forward and gone public, I should say, because he tried to get in touch with the FBI and the FBI would not return his calls. This is Kenneth uphold. This is one of Brett Kavanaugh's college roommates. He was alluded to in Kavanaugh's testimony. There was talk of some sort of issue with a third roommate, and that was supposed to mean that what he had said didn't matter.

But he has a lot to say about what Kavanaugh said in that testimony and the actual veracity of it. Appold said that he was 100% certain that he was told that Kavanaugh was the male student who exposed himself to Deborah Ramirez. He said that he never discussed the allegation with Ramirez, whom he said he barely knew in college, but he recalled details, which he said, an eyewitness described him at the time that matched Ramirez's memory of what happened. He says, specifically, I can corroborate Debbie's account. I believe her because it matches the same story I heard 35 years ago, although the two of us have never talked.

So if the fallback is that this is some sort of political vendetta, something something Clintons, and they're all working together, he says he didn't know her then, he doesn't know her now, but he knows what he heard at the time. So again, they will say no evidence, no corroboration, they're not interested in the evidence, they're not interested in the corroboration. You won't get any corroborating evidence if you don't ever get the evidence, or you ever get the accounts. And again, yeah, sure, many people could be lying. That's why, first of all, you need more than five days.

It wasn't even a week. First of all, you need more than five days to collect information, then compare it to other information from other folks. Again, he said he didn't really know her that well, but he'd heard about the stories. There's multiple people who said they'd heard of the story. Again, versus what Judge Kavanaugh said in the hearings last week, saying, you know, if something like this had happened, it had been the talk of campus. I'm not sure if you're going to get to this, but one of those people did say,

I heard him say that. And I was like, actually, this is in the 80s, or early 90s, late 80s where something like this happens. You don't want it to be the talk of campus. You kind of keep it on the hush. You go, man, that was kind of uncomfortable. I'm not sure if I should say anything because there's no one to say it too. Again, the Title IX things weren't put in a place where you have someone to report, this type

of stuff. We talk about the changing of times and how things were different then. No, it wouldn't have been that way because that's the way things were. Well, there was at least a little bit of talk. Ketheth uphold was involved in that talk. Absolutely. It'll stay amongst several people. And if you talk to those several people, you might get some evidence that all make sense.

Someone who never talked to one person or another or even the potential victim herself and say, you know, I heard about that. And I wasn't even there. Yeah, the FBI, like, we cannot overlook this. They talked to nine people total. They were five people at that first party. There are at least four accusers. Plus, Kavanaugh, that's five.

They only talk to nine people. There are literally a couple of dozen people. They could do that in a couple of extra days. I know the thing is, no, no, no, you guys just want to delay, delay, delay. it's like 48 extra hours. You can't do that to get to the truth. We're talking about a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. He will rule on hundreds of cases that will have far-reaching consequences in every area of policy.

And we can't afford like a three-day weekend added to this investigation to, I don't know, actually talk to the guy being accused of multiple sexual assaults. That is ridiculous. Hey, people go to, for minor crimes, go to jail and wait if they can't make bail. We know how that system works. If they can't be able, they sit there for an undetermined amount of time while our judicial system gets things together and puts together some way to prove or disprove, or he tries to get a chance to prove himself innocent, or, you know, he's supposed to be considered that in the first place. But that process takes some time. So again, for a lifetime appointment, you don't have the time to wait or to figure this whole thing out to put them in place.

What are you in a rush for? What is the big rush? Is the lifetime appointment going to, is there an expiration date on this nomination process or are you worried about something else? Do you know that there's a potential for more and more information about this person to come out that the public will know that they really don't want to be heard? Yeah. Like all the evidence leads to them wanting to cover things up. If it was a transparent feel to this, tone to their approach, maybe people might believe you when you say, I've known Judge Kavanaugh for 25 years, you've never do this. Sure.

But let's find out. for 25 years. And if you do rush, then maybe we'll get to finally find out in this country what it's like when you impeach a Supreme Court justice. That'll be an exciting time. Buckle up. So Lindsey Graham is an open-minded guy. You know, you just wanted to get to the truth.

If I know what's in the report, now the report is out, and here is what he thinks about it. I'm confident the FBI did a good job. They were not hindered in any way. The focus of the background check was on credible allegations. before the committee. I was looking for certain things to be answered by witnesses. I'm more confident than ever

that what the committee found has held up and then some. The main thing for me is that you need to go to the FBI and you need to ask them did they feel like they were able to do their job without interference? And I think the answer is yes. The senators who requested

the supplemental FBI background check got what they requested, and I am ready to vote. Yeah, he was ready to vote before. That was absolutely full of lies, obvious, demonstrable lies. But it's Lindsey Graham, so what do you expect? You know what time that was when it was 11.54 a.m. Eastern. I think they began looking at it at 8 a.m. in the shifts.

We talked about Chuck Grassley, wanted the process to be kept in, so they would make sure that there was no leaking because maybe some politicians from whatever side want to leak what they saw to the public, and they want to keep it under wraps. So for each party, they'd have to view the report in one hour shifts, and the document would change hands between the parties each hour. It had been, so from 8 a.m. to almost noon, they'd had almost four hours. And he's already giving interviews, talking about how sure he is of what happened, and he's ready to vote.

I wonder how much he and a staff actually looked at that report. I mean, do you think he looked at it? Maybe he went in the room with it. I doubt he cared to actually look. So, look, we have a little bit more video, but I think we should make two things clear here based on the reaction of many Republicans to this report, and not just the Republicans, but also their supporters, because I've been seeing a lot of conversation, the right-wing pundits, the regular right-wing voters talking about this.

Two things have become very clear. The first, having to do with the Republican senators is, do you remember back before the FBI investigation, in fact, before Kavanaugh and Ford testified at all, there was the doppelganger theory going around? Or the Ed Waylon, I guess there was just a guy that looked a lot like Brett Kavanaugh in the area who tried to rape Christine Blasey Ford, those were theories that were laughed at. However, flash forward a week or so, that is what every Republican senator that is so far on the record saying they will vote for Brett Kavanaugh obviously believes is going on.

Because they continually say she is credible, we believe that she was attacked, but we also believe Brett Kavanaugh he didn't attack her. So somebody back in 1982 in that area that looked enough like Brett Kavanaugh that she has been fooled this entire time into believing it was him tried to rape her. So in one week, we moved from crazy conspiracy theory that has laughed out across the internet to every Republican senator believes that this is literally what happened. And they're willing to put someone on the Supreme Court because of it. Because the reality, honestly, is they either don't believe her or they don't care that it happened. Or they don't care. Yeah, I guess maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that's

the best case scenario for some of these. The worst case scenario is that they think that's sexual assault, not so bad. The second thing, this is, I guess, something that women in this country have probably known for a long time. Guys are waking up to it. We are not so different from other parts of the world where women's testimony is considered to be at best a fraction as valuable as that of a man. They continually say there is no evidence that any of these things happened. That means that all of these women, what they are saying means absolutely nothing. There needs to be a man who says she is right. There needs to be a man that was there. If Mark Judge doesn't say that she's telling the truth.

Her testimony amounts to nothing. It is like the despotic regimes that we mock for not having the enlightened view of women and equality that we have here. And yet, when it comes time for a situation like this, we treat women exactly the same. Sure, sure, you believe that you were raped. Okay, maybe you were raped. Maybe someone tried to rape you. But it certainly wasn't him.

He's powerful, he's conservative. He's ending up on the Supreme Court. And he's my friend. And he's my friend. And so, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure you believe all sorts of things happen to you. honey, but they didn't actually happen. Maybe if Mark Judge said that you were telling the truth. Maybe he's a conservative man. Maybe we'd believe you then, but not in this case. So this is a dark

thing that I have had to realize about how our legal system works. And again, it is the 50th thing that confirms why so many women did not feel comfortable for the entirety of their lives coming forward. Because they won't be believed. It doesn't matter how much detail they have. It doesn't matter how many witnesses they have. You will not be believed. The president might go to one of his rallies and literally mock you so that tens of thousands of people will laugh at your pain and the people who didn't like it

I know we talked about yesterday the people who didn't like it what Trump did at the rally were like oh that's despicable disgusting he divides he's such a horrible guy when it comes to this stuff and then we stop talking what's the rest of the thought

it's like so you have a disgusting horrible divisive person that you're supporting that's all you've done is point out who you're supporting and what their characteristics are it's all you've done yeah So, look, I wanted to play the videos of Raj Shah's deputy communications.

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This entire thing has been as partisan as any nomination process for a Supreme Court justice has ever been, ever. And to me, it shows that we need to not just get past Kavanaugh. Yes, hashtag cancel Kavanaugh. But beyond that, we need to fundamentally change the way we put forward Supreme Court justices. The lifetime appointment process, there are reasons why it was initially instituted. The idea was that it would insulate the justices from political pressure.

It would take some of the partisanship out of the court. Does anyone feel like it's actually accomplishing that in the modern day? Exact opposite. The exact opposite. But it certainly comes with a lot of negatives, and we are seeing that on a daily basis right now as we go forward in this process. We need to fundamentally rethink how we put people on the Supreme Court, how long they serve on the Supreme Court, et cetera.

Okay, why don't we take our first break? We come back some predictions as to how this might actually play out. We're going to go to some of the senators. What have they been saying about what came out of the FBI investigation after this? Welcome back to the Young Turks, everybody. John Adirola, J.R. Jackson. Jank is out, Anna as well. But they will be back.

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Gabby Marita, referencing the talk we had about the investigation, says what the Trump administration calls an investigation, I'd call a cover-up. I would call it that as well. Senator, I think it was Menendez, said it's BS, the investigation. All he said, he said the full thing. Ecclectic miscellania, who I believe has a member content in every episode of the Young Turks these days, says sexual assault. investigation that doesn't even include the victim pretty much sums up what the Republicans

think about women's rights. And that's true. And basically every Fox News or other right-wing conversation about this is primarily focused on how a life has been destroyed, Brett Kavanaugh's. There's not even empathy for the victim, let alone justice. Well, the feigned empathy is when they say the real culprits here, I think Lindsey Graham said it's multiple times. The real corporate here, outside of the judge, is Dr. Blasey Ford because they used her.

So they're both victims of this democratic plot. Yeah, here, I would say, to be fair, you can either put this multiple sexual assault accused guy on the Supreme Court or pretend that you're the actual one who cares about the victim. How about choose one of those two things, Lizzie Graham? By the way, I also just want to thank all of the people who protested today at the Hart Senate building. They took over the atrium there, pressing for senators to stop Kavanaugh from getting on the Supreme Court. There were so many activists there, which is absolutely awesome. I saw two, some celebrities got arrested.

Emily Radikowski and Amy Schumer were at the very least detained during this as well as many other people. And so as always, thank you to those of you who are not only staying invested in what's going on this country, but getting out there and getting active to try to have your voice people. Yeah, do the officers actually target people that they recognize first or probably avoid? Yeah, I don't know. Targeting the people they recognize. I mean, generally when they're locking up people, it's just they're sweeping a whole bunch of people. So I don't think that they go out of their way necessarily.

And generally, like we had Piper Paribos on the damage report. When she was arrested, I think 60 people were arrested. So they really round them up. Okay, let's turn now to the future. The vote for Brett Kavanaugh to potentially get on the Supreme Court looks like it's going to happen in the next 48 hours. It doesn't look like there's much at this point that's going to stop it. But do they actually have the votes?

and we have a little bit of information. I'm going to start now with the Democrats. You might think we know exactly how they're going to vote. Obviously, they're not going to put this crazy right winger who's been accused of multiple sexual assaults on the Supreme Court. But no, we've got some red state Democrats, so you never know. However, some of them have come out and said, like Heidi Heidecamp said, this isn't a political decision.

If this were a political decision for me, I certainly would be deciding this the other way. I can't get up in the morning and look at the experience I've had and say yes to Judge Kavanaugh. So Heidi Hydecamp, who is actually in a very tight Senate race in a red state right now, says she is not going to vote for him. So that is good news. Joe Manchin at this point, I don't know. Okay, so we know how politicians think, and every time it's about getting reelected, reelected, reelected. Many of them have backgrounds as attorneys, I think probably a significant majority of them, probably. I feel like every one of them.

Or doctors or whatever else, businessmen. But so the worry about making sure that you're going to get reelected no matter what, When you're supposed to go there and represent your people or at least do something that's based on your principles that you probably ran on, I don't understand the obsession with making sure you're going to get in. It's not like it's your only job or even the best job you've had or highest paying job you ever had in your life or that you can't do something else. Hey, if you stand by your principles and you vote and make sure you do things that the American people want and you get voted out because of it, okay. Hey, the American people, if they somehow get fooled into thinking your principles that actually help them along, gets you out of office, you've done your duty and you've served up to a problem. point where you can help, and then they had a mistake in sending you out. And it's openly said, straight up, Jeff Flake said it.

If I was running for re-election, I wouldn't even call for this FBI investigation. He was the catalyst that made it happen. He wouldn't do it because we're worried about re-elections so much. Just do what you're going to do. If you don't get re-elected, what's the big deal? Okay, I've been in the Senate for 20 years. Fine. Do something else, but do something for American people.

It shows where the representation of the country actually is gone. No one cares about representing. They care about getting that next job as if if they don't get that next re-election, they're going to end up on the streets. It's just not the case. Yeah, and with the Republicans, I mean, there's only so much pressure we can actually put on them. Like they're raising money to try to get Susan Collins out if she votes for him. That's certainly good.

But for the Democrats, I think on some level, they haven't really woken up to what's going on in this country because they're worried about the political implications if they don't support him. Here's the thing. We've spent this whole year supporting progressive candidates in primaries where Jank and I and others, J.R. have covered literally every primary night that happened, making sure that people know about the right candidates. That's why we were covering, for example, Alexandria Cassio-Cortez in literally dozens of videos a year before the election, while others have finally caught on. And those candidates have been winning. So here's the thing. You might think that if you

support Judge Kavanaugh, you have a better chance in the general election. I got news for you. You're going to lose your primary, because we're going to be waiting for you the next time around. You might think that you've saved your political future. No, you've simply nailed your coffin shut with a slightly different shade of when it's going to happen. And so that is a promise that I would make to Heidi Heikamp, to Joe Manchin, hopefully the next time around, and others as well. Well, Joe Manchin has had a couple knives in his back already for supporting things that this particular administration was talking about. When he made sure he was facilitating whatever was that Mike Pence wanted, and in Mike Pence still went on the campaign trail and say, you know this loser, you know what he does? He goes around and kiss his ass.

And then he goes, wait a second, I thought I was on your side. No, and no matter how many times it happens to you, you will continue to push down that road because you think, A, it's going to keep me in office, no matter how much you get humiliated, honestly, after you just got through bowing down to someone who actually doesn't care anything about your political aspirations. Yeah, and two, like, one of the lessons of the past two years, or, you know, since Donald Trump became, got in office, is almost anything can happen, no matter how bad it is, it generally passes out of the news, and we move on.

That's one of the sad things about the news cycles over the past year. But I got news for you, when it comes to Judge Kavanaugh, for the rest of our lives, I don't care how long passes between now and then. When we hear the name Judge Kavanaugh, we're going to think multiple sexual assaults. When we hear the name Judge Kavanaugh, we're going to think of the name Christine Blasey Ford, Debrae Ramirez, Julie Swetnik, and others as well. We're not going to forget about this, and we're not going to forget how people voted on this. That's true for the Republicans, also true for the Democrats. So bear that in mind. Now, on to the indications that some others have given, Jeff Flake, who of course pushed for this FBI sham investigation in the first place.

So Elena Plot of the Atlantic tweeted, I'm told by source with direct knowledge that Flake is, quote, still having issues and that some colleagues are trying to walk him through them. The issue is that he briefly felt a stiffening in his back, and it was such an unfamiliar sensation that he desperately went to the Republicans to soften him up again. Senator Coons, who along with Flake, said that if it turned out that he had lied during his testimony, they would not support him, says that just now that Flake reached out to him and asked if they could speak at length later. A Senate aide said Murkowski is scaring everyone, but I don't know, they won't say who the aide is for, so are they scaring us because they're going to support her or scaring us because they're not going to support him.

I don't know. The easy question to ask Just Flake in this whole thing is after that interview, I'm sure people in the media have seen this, maybe reporters, he's doing a media tour. So after he said, you know, if it comes out that he was lying in the testimony last week, then that would eliminate him completely. A, many publications, many people, I mean, maybe watch the Young Church, pointed out the multiple times he lied at that testimony. So the next question of Jeff Flake is, so here's my list. Yeah. I got five pages of lies. Which one of these is the one that's going to disqualify him? And let him answer that question, because I still don't believe him. Yeah. Yeah.

Look, my gut says that they're going to disappoint us. My gut always said that. That's what my gut says. It doesn't always happen. I mean, John McCain, as bad as he is, he did put the thumbs down on the full ACA repeal. It is possible that Jeff Flake will decide in the last days that he will serve as a senator. And I know he thinks that this is just one step on the continuation of his career when he runs for and becomes the Republican nominee for president. Jeff Flake, buddy, that's not going to happen, okay?

Okay. This is the end. Go out with a little bit of, a little bit of pride, a little bit of dignity. Do the right thing, okay? You're just, you're going to go, you're going to lobby, you're going to make tons of money. You are going to be absolutely fine, but you're not going to be president. So don't worry about that. Worry about what message you were sending to tens of millions of women who have been through similar experiences and want for once to think that their government actually has their back and not just the backs of well-connected, powerful conservative males. Please do the right thing. He can only lose one. He can still lose one Republican vote. I think I remember seeing.

He can lose one Republican vote. I'm trying to give the numbers. Yes. And then still survive. So, I mean, even in that aspect, there would need to be two. And that's why I have such skepticism on this. Yeah. We'll see.

By the way, random. But, you know, there's been all these different groups coming out to say that they don't support Kavanaugh that don't normally get involved. There was this giant group of different churches that said he should not be put on the Supreme Court. you had like 650 law, or no, it's 1,200 law professors now have said that based on his temperament and judicial, like, you know, all that that he showed in the testimony, he shouldn't be put there. I don't even know that there were 1,200 law professors in the country, but apparently there are

and they agree on something. But also retired Justice John Paul Stevens said that Kavanaugh's temperament and judgment don't meet the standard for the Supreme Court. It is not often that retired Supreme Court justices weigh in on new ones. And bear in mind, John Paul Stevens supported. Kavanaugh before the allegations came out. So it did actually switch after the testimony. It's because he gets to think for himself now.

Yes. Sorry, last thing. I know we've gone way too long with Kavanaugh. But you know what? It's actually harder to have to try and weigh out whether or not this senator or that senator or that third senator is going to vote a certain way so that I can determine my vote based off that. I'm talking about maybe some of the red state Democrats that are in this position

right now because they're thinking, okay, if it's going to be overwhelming and they're going to vote from anyway, then I can too and I can still look good. If you ignore what everyone else is saying, you just do what you think based off of your own moral and principles, or if you're representative of people, of those people's morals and principles or the general thought process of the country, if you do it that way,

you don't have to worry about other people and just let it fall where it does. That's easier on your brain. Just relax and do what you feel is right and do what you've, based off what you've seen and read. Not off of what other people have done. It's way more work, gives you more headaches. Just relax.

You're getting paid enough already. Yeah. Do what's right. That doesn't often come up, unfortunately. Okay, look, I wish that we keep talking about this. Most important story in the country right now, obviously it's why on the damage report we've covered it possibly more than any other show in the country. But we do have other news to get to, so we're going to take a break. When we come back, a nice immigration facility where they detain various people, absolutely horrific conditions.

We're going to give you the lowdown on that. And then what does the EPA want more of in your body? We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the Young Turks. If you want to get the whole show and more exclusive content while supporting independent media, become a member at t-y-t.com slash join today. In the meantime, enjoy this free second. Welcome back to the show, everyone. Thank you for all your nice comments about the duo of me and J.R., by the way.

It is like an episode of the damage report, except you get two hours because it's actually the young turks. So first of all, I want to give member shoutouts. Tasha Prisdi and Brian Baer, thank you for. for being members. I understand that one of the downsides of our member drive is that with more members, your chance of being picked are a little bit harder.

But hey, you two got picked, so thank you. We've got some comments for you. First, I want to read some of the super chats. Truth Decay says there needs to be three no votes. Mansion will be a yes vote, dot, dot, dot. That is a possibility, but we have to proceed as if it's still possible to change his mind. And so we'll continue our work.

Adriano Lehman says, have you figured out why the Trump admin refuses to secure elections, so you can throw out results if they don't favor him or reps claiming China interference. Get this out there. I mean, those are the worst fears. I don't know. Buckle up. Hold on to your butts. We'll see what happens. I don't know. And Star 743 says, it is unfortunate many conservatives won't look at Kavanaugh without a partisan lens. Democrats would be wise to also put on his views on the Fourth and Fifth Amendments and his role in the Patriot Act. I mean, that's the thing. We've been doing this coverage about the sexual solve for a couple weeks now, like there were, before that, there was already so many reasons

to oppose him on labor rights, on the environment, on executive power, on all of these things. Like, this is just an added layer of suck on top of it. This is, before it's policy and then now it's on top of the bad policy and approach you'd have, also just character. Again, there's many conservative judges around the country you can choose to be just as horrible on policy as this guy is. You've got any number of different troglodytes to choose? Why does it have to be the burvey one?

And don't get me wrong. Yes, we'd oppose them too. We would. I look forward to it. Hopefully we'll get to do that. Okay, let's turn now to other news. More terrible news on the state of ice detention facilities. This time we're going to be zooming in on a particular one.

This is the Adelanto Ice Processing Center here in California. And wait until you hear what is going on there. When federal officials arrived in May of this year for a surprise inspection, this private run, bear that in mind, immigration detention facility, they found nooses made from bed sheets in 15 of 20 cells. I have looked into it. That is not how many there's supposed to be. Supposed to be many less than that.

Fifteen out of 20. So these are people who have either attempted to commit suicide or are readying themselves to attempt to commit suicide because of how horrible the conditions they're being kept are in. So when the Department of Homeland Security officials asked to contract guards who oversaw the units, why they didn't remove the bed sheets, they echoed that it was not a high priority. The guy giving them the tour then started to remove the nooses, but realized there's too many nooses, I don't have time, and he stopped.

This is while the inspectors are with him. He gave up on removing nooses. That was the high priority. He was being discovered the kind of conditions that you have there that will force people to contemplate suicide, attempt it, and also some, of course, successful in doing so. Yeah, there have been successful suicides. So once the inspectors are there, it's like a restaurant that's filthy. And then finally the health inspector comes by and, like, oh, let's clean up this rat poop now and get it off of the kitchen floor.

Now, how about you just keep your place clean in the first place? That's what your business is. Do it right. Yeah. Well, specifically, this is, let's clean up this rap poop. There's too much rap poop, I give up. Yeah, no, you have to give up now. They've already discovered us.

We're already getting the D-rating. It's already over. Exactly. By the way, one of the inmates said that the guards laugh at them and call them suicide failures once they're back. from medical when they attempt to commit suicide if they're not successful. So that is the approach that these private facility guards have. So let's go on to the reason why people have, you want to judge someone's character how they treat other people.

And they go, oh, you're just bringing up someone's character and personality. Why don't you talk about what they've done? The way they are on who they treat people, especially people that they think are lesser than them as humans, they will laugh at them and they'll say, ah, you got back for medical, you're a suicide failure. That's what leads a certain approach of someone's being and your character is based off of what you're going to do with them when you have to, when you're basically in your care. Yeah. Yeah, and imagine if you're one of the other people at this facility, not knowing how long you're going to be kept there.

And what you see as guards and mocking people who have attempted to take their own lives. Like, imagine the hopelessness and the despair that would come over you as a result of even witnessing that. And it has consequences. The Times reported in August of last year that there had been at least five attempted suicide at the facility. in less than one year. Those are the ones that are actually reported, by the way. And beyond the suicides, which is obviously bad enough, in terms of how they treat these people with medical care and all of that, detainees reported waiting weeks and months to see a doctor, and inspectors met with a dentist who dismissed the necessity of fillings and suggested that detainees use string

from their socks to floss, which is both obviously not going to work and also about as degrading and condescending, a bit of medical advice I think I've ever seen. Now, once given those, I don't know if you could get to this part, but getting deeper into the reasons why they told people used their strings from their socks to floss is because people's teeth are rotting and falling out. Cavities weren't being filled or even taken care of. Some of these dinners said, I don't have the time or energy to do this because there's too many of these cases to handle, because, you know, this private basically prison isn't

making enough money. So in doing so, they said, hey, in order to avoid any kind of more tooth decay, you got to floss. Oh, but guess how floss is obtained in this private facility? They're a commissary. You know what's in a commissary? More money. So if you need to use your commissary to get some floss and they say, I don't have any because I'm an asylum seeker from another country, they go, oh, well, you use your socks then.

There's no way out. It's pushing someone into a corner because there's an inhumane approach to how these people or even reasons why they're there. Are these all criminals? I want to point that part of it, too. No, it's actually not. So it's probably too late to jump in front of the right wing comments on this video. They're probably assuming that these are all terrorists, committed members of ISIS, probably the leadership of ISIS. No, among those held at this particular facility

are asylum seekers. People caught in immigration sweeps and those identified by authorities as potentially deportable after landing in jail. So look, the people caught in immigration sweeps technically have broken the law. They've broken immigration law. Theoretically, they have broken no laws other than that. But they will be put into hell on earth in this Adelanto facility. And those asylum seekers, those are people that haven't broken any law whatsoever, except they're going to go here and God only knows what's going to happen to them. God help them if their health fails while they're at this facility. And by the way, this is information from 2017. This is how bad it already was under the status quo half a year into Donald Trump, probably terrible before that,

partially because they don't care about these people, partially because it's a privately held facility and their goal is to make money not to actually provide a good experience for these people. This is before they started taking in tens of thousands of additional people and not releasing them. So if this is what it was like in 2017, God only knows what's going to happen when these inspectors go back in a year and see in these temporary facilities, the tent cities that are set up, do you believe that they're going to be taking better care of these people? So for the people who want to say it's not just Donald Trump's fault or his administration's fault, I agree with you. Because in 2012, there was another report from the ICE detention oversight that found there's the same thing for the request for medical care were delayed and put aside.

So that's a similar problem, right? So that stuff happened in the past. So when you enhance that same problem and add more people to this system or then also project this whole sense of hate towards certain groups of people that come in, you're going to add to that problem. So, yes, there was many things wrong in the Obama administration, which many of us pointed out. And then when no one focuses on that, at least from people in opposing parties, don't focus on those parts and want to fix that. And then you bring someone that's even more horrific in these types of things, it gets worse. Do you still not care or does it mean you care a little less? Because no matter what, you never cared for these people in the first place.

And what the reasons for being here was or what the treatment they got once they got to this shining city on the hill. Because that's what asylum seekers would think, oh, man, maybe I have a chance to survive now. I came from a really horrible place, but it somehow gets worse. Yeah, and look, the lesson should be the same under both. These should not be privately owned and operated facilities. They don't care, and they will continue to treat people this horribly under Republicans, as well as under Democrats. We shouldn't be holding anywhere near as many people as we certainly now, but even before,

that is obvious. And thank God, by the way, for the activists who, in response to one of the suicides at one of these locations, started putting public pressure to find out what was going on there. That's why we have this information, not because the government decided to take it more seriously, but because regular citizens got involved and made sure that light was shed on what was going on there. Okay, with that said, let's jump to the EPA. The Trump administration is loosening even more regulations, this time on how much radiation is safe for you to be exposed to. That sounds ridiculous.

It sounds like the beginning of a Marvel movie. Like, clearly this is some sort of super villain who wants you to be sprayed with gamma radiation. But no, it's actually happening. But don't worry, they're not just changing the radiation. They actually have a sort of silver lining on this. And in this particular case, I guess I was going to say that they're sort of gaslighting you about why. But it's actually radiation gaslighting you on why they need to do this. So as it stands right now, pre-regulation change, the government's current decades-old guidance says that any exposure to harmful radiation is a can't.

And I looked into why they say that. That's because that is true, and that is what scientists say. If you're exposed to more radiation, even by the way, purposefully, consensually, CT scans, things like that, it raises the chance of a number of different types of cancers affecting you. That is just what happens when you're exposed to radiation. But they have found people to testify for them that don't believe any of that stuff. So in this case, we have lead witness Edward Calabrese, who's going to talk to Congress. Him and his supporters argue that small exposures to cell damaging radiation and other carcinogens

can serve as stressors that activate the body's repair mechanisms and can make people healthier. They compare it to physical exercise or sunlight. They do that because they're insane. That's like saying, well, sure, if I stabbed you in the heart, that would be bad, but what if I just poke you with a knife a little bit? That'll release some of the bad blood. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives. constantly monitoring us and storing our data.

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You know what they throw across your whole chest and almost your face? This really big, heavy flag jacket feeling thing. And you're like, oh, Jesus, this is heavy. Because there's this thing called radiation that they're pumping into the room and they want to make sure they they protect you as much as possible. So if this is so true, have they gone to all the dentist offices around the country yet and be like, you know, you guys, you don't have to purchase any more of those big, heavy radiation jackets. Just leave them to the side, because you can tell your dental patients, hey, if you get some, if you get some good radiation on your teeth, those cavities are just going to seal

up on their own, because that's your superpower now. Exactly. Look, it's ridiculous. It's insulting. And it's particularly insulting that now this is the EPA doing this, because the EPA has been turned into a zombie version of itself. It is no longer there to protect you from the environment, it is to protect corporations from any sort of regulations that the EPA has set up in the past. And they will go to comical lengths to save corporations money.

But they will at least admit what they're doing. You know, okay, so they say that radiation is like physical exercise or sunlight. I mean, I guess technically sunlight is a form of radiation. There is radiation in it. That's true. But it's not good for you. Also, sunlight causes cancer. So that's a particularly bad analogy that they're making there.

I don't know what he's thinking. Someone asked the sunscreen, the sunscreen corporations of America. Oh, yeah, then I'm making any money off of this sunscreen because when people go on the sun, no one thinks, I've got to put something on because this might give me cancer. Yeah, well, you know what else it'll do? Edward Calabrese, that same person, a toxicologist at the University of Massachusetts, says that this change would have a positive effect on human health as well as save billions and billions and billions of dollars.

But don't get excited. It's not saving you any money. it is saving corporations money because in many different sectors, they have to spend money to stop radiation leaks and from both regular people, customers, but primarily workers from being exposed to radiation in a number of different ways. They don't want to spend that money anymore. So the Trump administration comes to the rescue, takes away the regulations, they will no longer have to do that.

And look, if a bunch of working class Americans get cancer and die, we have corporate profits to think of. All they got to do is go get their universal health care and get it taken care of. Lickety split, cheap and free. Oh, no, that I got. No, but also, so again, it comes to people who are paying these representatives to do this type of stuff. So then exposure in accidents, nuclear plant accidents, all this stuff that happens. Once they're exposed to, is that's a small amount that you say is okay?

Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. And it fits into, like, look, I have been doing everything I can to make sure that we check in on all of these changes that are being done. At the EPA, environmental regulations, this is just the latest in a long string of things that are making the country effectively more dangerous for you in the service of corporate profits. They've already targeted a range of other regulations on toxins and pollutants, including coal power plant emissions, car exhaust, also dumping in streams, methane emissions. The list goes on and on.

Effectively, in every way that they can, if it makes a single cent more for shareholders, they're willing to expose you to a number of different toxins of both the radioactive and carcinogenic varieties. By the way, I don't even know why I'm going to say this. It's not necessary, but what he's saying about radiation, of course is not true. The National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements conducted a review of 29 different public health studies on cancer rates among people exposed to exactly the sort of low-dose radiation that he is advocating for. 20 of the 29 studies directly support the principle that even low-dose exposures

causes significant increase in cancer rates, none supported the theory that there is some safe threshold for radiation. If they had evidence of that, they would present it. They do not, because there is no evidence, they are simply willing to have more Americans get cancer so the corporations can make more money. And to be fair to these corporations, once they get those billions and billions and billions of dollars saved, what they do is they give it out to the, you know, they pay their workers great wages, they pay their fair share of taxes, and then the economy rises up.

More jobs are created, everyone's healthy and happy and no one dies. That's not true. No, that's naive. What are you talking about? You know, there was also some that I remember when there was, I think I had, I wish I had the exact details, because I just remembered, there was some head of corporation or someone who was a CEO of a company, and they were asking, would you live near this power plant that you own and operate?

It's like, hell no, you're kidding me? He goes, you better keep that stuff away from me and my kids. My kids don't deserve this. And it was like this moment of truthfulness for a second about how they don't want to live next to it. Somehow, their exposure to, they don't want to become X-Men. But as long as you become X-Men, then it's all good. You spring some wings and fly.

That's cool for you, but then for us, we don't, we're too good for that. Yeah, yeah. If there are mutants, they will be people of color and poor people, effectively. That is what they are trying to ensure. The color will be blue, green, purple. I've watched X-Men, I love it. Okay, we only have a couple of minutes for this. I mainly just want to bring this up so that J.R. has a chance to talk about it.

We're finally close to having some sort of verdict on the killing of Laquan McDonald in Chicago about four years ago. Jason Van Dyke is a police officer who shot him 16 times, primarily when he was already on the ground. They held the police dash cam as long as they possibly could until protests forced them to release it. And when it was released, the video makes clear and perhaps we'll overlay some of it, that his story about why he had to kill Lequan McDonald has no relationship to reality whatsoever. He said that Lequan was coming at him with a knife, was facing him, moving towards him, swinging the knife at him. None of that is true. Despite that, in testimony so far this

week, Jason Van Dyke has said, the only reason the tape looks bad for me is because it wasn't from my perspective. If you saw it from where I was standing, then you too would have immediately seconds upon getting to this place shot him 16 times and killed him. Look for that time when he's charging him with the knife before he falls on the ground. There was never any charging, there was never any swinging. All there was was the knee-jerk automatic killing of this man. You brought up in the production meeting, if we could contrast this, I believe it was yesterday, there was a shooting, multiple cops were shot in, was it South Carolina? That was in South Carolina, yeah. White guy, high-powered rifle, shoots multiple cops, they took him alive.

Because, of course, they do. They always do when he's white. If you're black, you get two seconds maybe to, I don't even know how you convince them that you're not a threat. He was walking away from them. They shot him 16 times. The main thing about, the point about this, Jason Van Dyke, this officer that, you know, is now on trial. Can we run that video of it? Because that really points to what's that. We won't go too long with this. But that video of Jason Van Nike on trial and about what

he saw and what he experienced. The face had no expression. His eyes were just bugging out of his head. He had just these huge white eyes just staring right through me. And did you say anything to the client down? I was yelling at him, dropped the knife. I don't know how many times I thought I was backpedaling that night. You thought you were backpedaling as you're firing shot after shot after shot? Well, I know now and what I thought at that time are two different things. What? A lot of people would say that guy's lying, what a racist POS, and the second one, I can agree with more.

But the first one, I don't think he's lying at all. I think it's exactly what he thought. That's exactly what he saw. He was absolutely fearful for his life. Do you know why? Because he's afraid of what he saw. So when you're afraid of something in a position like that and you're like, my only recourse is to use this weapon that I have

to stop my fears because no one likes sitting there in fear, you know, and wondering what's going to happen to you. You're a police officer. Your job is to be in tense, fearful situations, and to have your cool and chill out and do things the right way. If you can't do it, don't do it. You know what I won't do? I would never be a police officer.

I don't want to be in those situations. So don't do it if you can't be in those situations. Or if you see someone that scares the hell out of you, every time you look at him, he was whatever they said he was on. I don't forget what drugs, LaQuine. PCP, I think. He was on. And his eyes were wide open.

He was totally high. It looks like he was going to come from me. I think he really thought he was coming for him. You know, in 7-11? I've said this many times. The convenience stars in 7-11. You see that ticker on the side. that says five, six, it's a foot apart each one.

It goes from four foot to like six or seven feet tall. Because when people walk into a place and they get robbed and someone puts a gun in your face, you get scared and suddenly you think that person is huge and the strongest person you've ever seen. So when the police come and say, what did he look like? You go, man, he was six foot ten.

Wait, 300 pounds because I was scared. And so the ticker lets you remember if he walks in, at least it shows how tall he actually is because people are afraid for their lives when something like that happens to them. So if he's seeing this guy who's afraid of, and I'm going to keep avoiding the racial aspect of it, even though it's very real, he's afraid because of what he saw and what he thought this person was going to do to him because he had superhuman powers. He apparently got some radiation from the new radiation procedures we have. So he's afraid, and he shoots.

That's the main problem. Our approach to these things is to kill that person that we're so afraid of and we don't know what else to do it except for firing their face and their head and shoot 16 times. Is he going to get back up after you shot him the first four times and he's lying on the ground, writhing in pain? Oh, is the knife going to fly up and shoot across the room because he has some kind of other superhuman power? What is the thought process?

It's not there. You're just scared. Don't do the job if you're afraid of doing it. A fireman can't go to a house fire and say, hey, that kid's up there on a second floor, but I'm afraid of what he looks like. Oh, man, that fire is hot. I'm not going in there.

No, that's your job. That's why we praise you. That's why we say, hey, firemen, you're the most brave, one of the brave people in our society. Hey, military guy, you go into the fight and there's bullets flying at you, but you keep going towards. That's why we say thank you for your service, because I wouldn't do that. So if a police officer sees someone that they're afraid of and they bow to their fears, you're not one of the better members of society anymore. I have no praise for you anymore. I don't say, hey, thank you for your service for being afraid.

of everything you see is shooting somebody in the face 16 times. What am I praising you for now? A fireman runs out of that building, has fire on his back, and is carrying three people out? Yeah, thank you, because I wouldn't have done that. It's amazing. You have to earn that respect. You don't get it just because you put on a uniform and start shooting people 16 times.

That's not what the respect is for. It's not for a uniformist for what you do, and you didn't do it. I've tried five different times to stop, Cussons, so I'm going to stop talking before I start doing it. I couldn't agree more. We're getting close to a verdict. I guess literally I don't know exactly which way it'll go, but I know what I feel on my gut. I know how this tends to go.

I can say that there are 12 jurors. Now bear in mind, this is an area that is 25% African American out of those 12. One is African American, just random chance, I guess. And look, we have the dash cam footage. Like with body cams, this is supposed to clear the whole thing up because, we can actually see what happens. You see it there. If he gets off and he might, is anyone really going to be shocked? It doesn't matter how much information you have. You can see exactly what happened. You can know whether there was any reasonable reason that this person should

consider themselves to be at risk of being killed. He wasn't, but he could still look at him. He even admitted himself at the end of that, the end of that tape. What I know now is, yeah. He said, what I thought then is not what I know now. I believe him. He never should have been in that position. He never should have been a police officer. Okay, thank you, Jay. are for joining me on this fun journey. We should have done that last story. I'm just, I'm exhausted now. We should, what, the last start?

I'm not have done that last story. No, no. Well, look, you go and rest, okay? We're gonna check in on this story as the days progress. Thank you. We're gonna take a short break between the hours. Nando and Ida are gonna be joining me. Lots more news to get to, including how selfies just might kill you after this.

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