The Young Turks - The Young Turks 01.18.18: Trump Lawyer, John Kelly, CHIP, and Prosperity Preacher

Episode Date: January 19, 2018

A portion of our Young Turks Main Show from January 18th, 2018. For more go to http://www.tytnetwork.com/join. Hour 1:  Cenk. President Trump's attorney Ty Cobb says the president is "very eager" to speak to special counsel Robert Mueller for his Russia investigation. In an interview with CBS News' chief White House correspondent Major Garrett on this week's "The Takeout" podcast, Cobb said Mr. Trump wants to put the matter to rest, and he told Garrett there are "active discussions" about a special counsel interview, but no formal request has yet been made. Donald Trump insisted Thursday that he has remained consistent in his plans for a border wall, a day after his chief of staff, John Kelly, told Fox News he has "changed his attitude" on it. Donald Trump said Thursday the Children’s Health Insurance Program should be part of a "long term solution," creating confusion around the efforts to prevent a government shutdown. “CHIP should be part of a long term solution, not a 30 Day, or short term, extension!” Trump tweeted. Trump visiting area of special election endorsing Rick Saccone. Trump scheduled to give speech at electricity plant. However, Trump tweets about saying the reason to go is to endorse Saccone and not for official reasons. Hour 2:  “Prosperity Preacher” Pastor Kenneth Copeland got people to buy him a jet. Video of him thanking his donors for the jet. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Meanwhile, enjoy the free podcast. All right, welcome to the Young Turks. I'm your host Jake Unger. We've got a great show ahead for you, yes. Came down all of a sudden there. All right, we got a lot of talk of corruption today. In the next segment, I'm going to talk to you about Nick Mulvaney and what he's doing to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

They are dismantling it in an unbelievable way, out of control. And they've just basically declaring there for the banks. And but the details of that story are maddening. And then we're going to turn to a funnier story of corruption. And that is about these so-called prosperity preachers. It's preaching them prosperity gospel. Now, is that for you? Are you going to get prosperity?

Oh, no, no, no, no. Prosperities for them. So the way that they are asking for jets and receiving them is ungodly. Okay, so that's in the next segment. And that is both dispiriting, if you will, but also hilarious. So don't miss that. And a little bit later in the program, speaking of dispiriting, Donald Trump's racism towards Haitians has now taken a more action-oriented turn.

So it's not just calling them derogatory terms anymore. They are beginning to discriminate against them. So we will tell you how, okay? Now, but before you're in this segment, I'm going to do nothing but make fun of Trump. Now, having said that, let me keep it real and make fun of myself first. So we had these shirts that we've, what are you guys asked for? And then we immediately did them and I was wearing them today. Very stable genius, right that?

Okay, boom, shopt, dot com. So, but why do I show it to? So there was a string coming out of the shirt this morning. And so I decided that I was going to cut it. So I got scissors, I cut it. And what did I do? I cut the shirt instead. I don't know if you can say it.

I'm like, oh, I got this one. Oh, sick, did it. All right. Okay. You know why? Because I'm a very stable genius. And I just looked at this shirt and was like, fitting. I have two great qualities.

What is that I do not cut my shirts unnecessarily? And the other is that I am a very stable genius. All right, anyways, let's do the show over here. Okay. So Donald Trump, of course, in a world of trouble on this Russian investigation. as to deal with the special counsel, the special counsel Robert Mueller would like to talk to him. Trump's lawyers are desperately trying to prevent that. Why? Because they are aware that their client is an idiot. One of those lawyers is a curiously named Ty Cobb. And he thinks, okay,

please, please, Mr. President, do not go testify. It's a trap. So why? If you've got nothing to hide, No need reason for it to be a trap. You go and say, well, no, the Russians, they got nothing to do with them, right? Anyway, but I wanted to read you his quote because I found it amusing. Ty Cobb, Trump's lawyer says, I would hope that a fair-minded office of the special counsel would approach it in a dutiful way consistent with precedent, and it wouldn't be a mere perjury trap. Why is he worried about a perjury trap? Because he's been sitting with Donald Trump all these days.

He's like, there's no way he's not going to lie. There's no way he's not going to lie. So even his best friends say he's a pathological liar. You see it every single day. The flip-flops over one line to another to another. So his lawyer, he's like, but the thing is, you're thinking, well, this is obvious. Why would he go testify, right? And Mueller is incredibly smart.

He's got these team of investigators who are really experienced. Why would Trump go into that? Because remember, Trump thinks he's like a really smart person. He thinks he's a very stable genius. Look at me, I'm very stable genius. Anyway, shop t-y-t.com to get that shirt. Anyway, so Trump's like, I got this, I got this. I'm going to go speak to Mueller.

I'm going to show him how smart I am, okay? And I'm going to testify bigly. And his lawyers are like, no, no, don't do that. Whether they think he did it or not, they're pretty sure that if he goes and Talks on the record, you're going to lie, then he's going to be up on perjury charges. I hope, hey, you know what, Donald Trump, if you're listening, I know this is not on Fox and Friends, so it's not likely. But if you're listening, are your lawyers telling you you're dumb?

Are they saying that Robert Mueller is smarter than you? I mean, that is ridiculous, right? Because if there's two things I know about you, one is that you are very stable and have always been mentally stable, and two is that you are like a really smart person. Show Ty Cobb how much smarter you are than Robert Mueller. The trap's not for you. The traps are Mueller. Go get him, big guy.

Cross your fingers. Okay, moving on. How many times am I going to go to that shirt today? All right. Kelly is the chief of staff for Donald Trump. He's a former general, and so he was brought in to bring some degree of order to the White House, and he did. And he's been widely praised for that. Now they're in the middle of these budget negotiations.

If they don't have a budget by the end of Friday, the government's going to shut down. He's trying to avoid that. There's a couple of different factors that are involved here. Chip, which is Children's Health Insurance, is on the table. DACA, the Dream Act for the undocumented immigrants who are children who were brought here when they were younger, is on the table for discussion. And then finally, of course, the wall. Now, the problem is Trump wants the wall, but it doesn't make any sense.

You can't do a wall over the mountains, the rivers, but he never understood that. So he kept saying, we're going to do a big, beautiful wall across the whole border. And can he get Mexico to pay for it? Of course not. That's preposterous. He never understood any of those things, and it's incredibly expensive, and he never understood that. So they're trying to talk some sense into him, and John Kelly's going to talk about that. Now, everything he says here is relatively true, except that that's going to get under Donald Trump's skin.

So let's watch first. The Washington Post has a story. It says Kelly calls some of Trump's campaign pledges on immigration wall uninformed meeting attendees say. White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told Democratic lawmakers, Wednesday the United States will never construct a physical wall along the entire stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border. I told him, you know, there's been an evolutionary process that this president has gone through as a campaign, and I pointed out to all of the members that were in the room that they all

say things during the course of campaigns that may or may not be fully informed. So he has evolved in the way he's looked at things. Campaign to governing of two different things, and this president is very, very flexible in terms of what is within the realm of the possible. So a couple things there. First, just a side note. I like how he's like, look, you guys are all politicians. You know you lie during the campaign and like, oh, that's true, that's true. So I like that that's just taken as a given. That's how Washington is. Okay, now on to Trump, he says his position has evolved. You know what evolved means a political world? It means, yeah, he was lying before and now he's changed to this. But with Trump, there's an extra layer. He's a dumbass. So before he thought he really could get a wall across the mountains and now he realized, oh, yeah, I guess that's thumb, isn't it? So Kelly says he, some of his positions were uninformed. Okay, now all that is of course true, of course, and everybody in the room knows it,

all the senators know it, but the only person who doesn't know it is Donald Trump. So one of the White House officials calls Axios after seeing that on Fox going, uh-oh, this is not going to go well, man, this is going to get under Trump. because they said this is John Kelly trying to be like Bannon, like, hey, I'm actually trying to direct the president to the right thing. Otherwise, he's a knucklehead, which of course is enormously true. It's the truest thing that's ever been said. But Trump doesn't like to hear that. And lo and behold, Trump watches it on Fox and then starts fuming. So that source was exactly right. And then Trump can't help himself. So he tweets out, the wall is the wall. It has never

changed or evolved from the first day I conceived of it. And I love this second one. Parts will be of necessity. A see-through would come back to that. And it was never intended to be built in areas where there's natural protection, such as mountains, wastelands, or tough rivers or water. No, no, you said it was going to be on the entire border. Now, all of a sudden, it appears your position has evolved. And you're like, oh, there's mountains of water there. Rio Grande, what's that? Yeah, knucklehead is, that's why we said you couldn't build a wall across the whole border.

That was the whole point. So, okay, or certainly part of the point. Now, the other part is, wait, wait, what does it mean? What do you mean see through? You're going to build a wall made of glass so you can see through it? No. It makes cement wall that you can see through? No, that, oh, he means a fence.

What happened? I thought it was going to be a wall. You know who else promised the fence in parts of the border? Hillary Clinton, that was her exact campaign pledge. She said, there's rivers and mountains where we don't need a wall or a fence. And in all the other areas, I'm going to build a fence. Congratulations, Donald Trump. You now have Hillary Clinton's position.

See through. See through. That ain't no wall. That ain't no wall. Your position has evolved. You were completely uninformed. Kelly's right about that. So look, if it turns out at the end of the day, they waste a lot of money building like a nice wall that then they shoot video of him air on Fox 24-7.

And the rest, they build a fence, which is cheaper. Okay, then I'm glad his position has evolved. And if that's the compromise, maybe I can live with it. But he ain't building no wall across the border. And if you really believe that, you're an idiot and now this clearly proves it. otherwise tell me now tell me now you think did you think that Trump was going to build a see-through wall the whole time did you know it was a fence the whole time and not a wall and so when he builds that fence you're going to be okay with it look that's where you

can serve us to decide but reality has a way of catching out with you even if you're Donald Trump they're not building a wall across the whole border okay um so by the way tick Talk on John Kelly. So she thinks he's smarter than me. Well, now he doesn't realize I'm like a smart person. I'm a... We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-Inging the Republic, or UNFTR. As a young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations

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Why can't I get this shirt? I'm a very stable genius. Shop t.wit.com. Okay. All right. Now, we go on the chip. Now these next two stories are amusing, but this one is amusing and unfortunately has a downside, which is that the policy is in a little bit of jeopardy, okay? Okay, so here we go. Republicans and Democrats are in sensitive negotiations over the budget showdown, and they're trying to make a deal here. They've got the Wall, they've got the Dream Act, and they've got Chip as some of the

bargaining chips here. Chip is health insurance for young children. Now, Democrats have wanted it for a long, long time. It's been around for a long time. But in September, the Republicans blocked the funding on it, so they're now holding it hostage. So Democrats are saying, damn it, and this is what Republicans do. They take hostages that didn't exist before. Then they go, now you have to approve our draconian terrible budget that you hate because

we took the chip hostage and, you know, the DREAM Act. So now you're going to give me the budget and the wall to do that trade. But wait, Trump said he'd do the DREAM Act alone. Nah, just kidding. We're not going to do that. We just want more and more and more from you guys. Okay, but these negotiations are hard, and they're made harder by the fact that Trump is president, and he doesn't know what he's talking about.

That's why he keeps flip-flopping on the DREAM Act, says in a private meeting, oh, yeah, that'll pass, no problem. You should pass it clean. Don't attach it to the budget. Then the next day he turns around and goes, oh, my God, you got to attach it to the budget, and I hate those, all those poor countries base. Are you happy with me? Are you happy with me?

So overall, the Republicans think it's a mess, literally, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell openly admitted Wednesday that he has no idea what President Trump wants. And so that's part of the problem. He's like, look, here's what I want, here's what the Democrats want, but Trump keeps throwing in these insane tweets and demands every once in a while, and we have no idea what he wants. Okay. Senator James Inhoff, deeply conservative senator out of Oklahoma, says, quote, It's a mess.

So now, but they've got chip, and they're going to use that as, no pun intended, a bargaining chip, okay? So here, talking points memo explains. Amid this chaos, Republicans thought that attaching a six-year reauthorization of chip to the short-term continuing resolution was a win-win. Democrats who had railed for months that the GOP-controlled Congress had failed to fund the program would have a tough time voting against it, despite their opposition to other aspects. of the package. And if it went down in flames, Republicans could cast the blame on Congress's minority party. So, like I told you, they need to get this budget passed. That's coming up right now. And they blocked funding for children's health insurance. And now they're saying,

well, Democrats, you really, really want that. So if you want that, I'm going to put it as part of this bill. And if you vote against it, then I'm going to say, oh, you're against the children. You're against the children. I'm going to show you a video about that in a second. To give you a sense of exactly where they're going with this, Representative Kathy McMorris-Rongers said, stop the obstruction to Democrats, stop the games. There's no good reason to punish children. Not only are they voting to shut down the government,

they're voting to deny children, access to critical health care when they need it. Seems like she cares about the children. That's why she wants to pass this. Let's just note for the record here, as TPM does, Republicans control both chambers of Congress and could have passed the chip reauthorization at any. time last year. In fact, they can pass it right this minute. They can just go, hey, we have the majorities. Oh, you guys want to take care of the children? Well, that's easy. And the Democrats are

in favor of it anyway. This will be nearly unanimous. Let's call a vote. Boom, chip passes. We're done with it. Oh, but you don't care about the children. You want to play political games and hold those children hostage, their health care, their lives hostage so that you can get your budget approved with all the lard and the pork in there for defense contracts. and all of your crony capitalism that you loaded that budget up with, right? So in fact, let me show you a clip that J.R. Jackson, our legendary senior producer put together of different Republicans pretending to care about the children. Keep in mind they could pass it at any time if they want to.

So all of this is ridiculous political gamesmanship. Watch. We're also continuing discussions on government funding, a six-year reauthorization of CHIP. These are really our most basic and fundamental responsibilities that we have serving in the House. And I call upon the Democrats to stop the obstruction, stop the games, and join us in getting it done. I simply ask, how can you do this? How can you not give money to the most vulnerable, the most poorest, and the most sickest of our American society? Unfortunately, the answer is we see that the Democrats would rather support illegal aliens as opposed to our American children that need that money.

The Children's Health Insurance Program, Chip, two times we have voted to move that off this floor. But both items, the Democrats, have not only said no, they whip their members to hold them back. We have states they're being challenged for their children's health. This is not a time to play politics. I used to think that the Democrats thought the S-CHIP bill was bipartisan.

That children's health insurance is a bipartisan bill. This was written by Republicans and Democrats. We've passed this extension twice this year. We're going to be bringing it to the floor again this week because real deadlines are occurring this Friday. And the real deadlines that occur this Friday are our men and women in uniform.

and children's health insurance in many states that will run out of money. And so that is why it is as unconscionable to me that they would block funding for a military or cut off funding for these states that really will lose their funding for CHIP by playing these political games. Oh, they're the worst. Politicians are so scummy. He says, oh, it's going to run out of money. But it had all the money that needed until you block the funding in September.

And so, oh, my God, these Democrats, they don't want to pass it. do a clean bill, they'll pass it tomorrow, they'll pass it this second. But they attach it to the things that they want that the Democrats don't agree with. Their draconian budget that cuts money for the poor of the middle class and gives it to the rich. And then they're like, oh, what about the children? I can't believe the Democrats are playing political games. Now, unfortunately, we have a media that despite the fact that they attack Trump all the time because he's not part of the establishment, still largely don't do their jobs.

So they take that stuff at face value. I mean, at that press conference, there should be people like Jim McCostley's yelling at the White House. Go, go yell at those guys. Those guys have been lying to us for 40 straight years, Republicans and Democrats. So why aren't you out there going, wait a minute, you could pass Chip right now. Why don't you just put it up for a vote right now? Why don't you do it? And then a reporter's, okay, he said, she said, as long as they're part of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party, I'm not going to say anything.

Anyway, that is greatly frustrating to me, as you can tell. And that's what's great about the internet. Now we get to call them on their BS. They used to get away with that stuff all the time. But here's where the story takes a funny turn. So the Republicans have this plan and the Democrats are paid to lose. So they're supposed to go, oh, golly, gee, you took a hostage back in September. Okay, then, oh, good.

You had the Dream Act that's 70% popularity. Okay, because of those two hostages, I'll give you the wall and I'll give you your crappy budget, right? So they're in the middle of executing that, which I've seen happen my whole life. That's how this game is played. Except Trump's an idiot, and he doesn't know that the game is played that way. So they're using it for a short-term extension, right, of the budget. But Trump didn't get the memo. So he tweets out,

Chip should be part of a long-term solution, not a 30-day or short-term extension. At which point the Republicans go, no, why did you tweet that? No, the whole point was to trick them into voting for our short-term extension of the budget by including chip in there, you idiot. And look, I like that he blew up their plan, totally accidentally, and I guarantee you he flip-flops on this, once somebody walks in the office and goes, hey, moron, sit down. Let me explain to you how this works, right?

Now, am I making this stuff up, or Republicans actually frustrated did Trump actually blow it? Well, let's go to the Republicans and find out. Here is Lindsey Graham. We don't have a reliable partner at the White House to negotiate with. Okay, here's Mitch McConnell. Looking for something that President Trump supports. And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign.

As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels. As soon as we figure out what this moron thinks he's doing, I don't know what he's for. That's Mitch McConnell, the leader of the Republicans in the Senate, throwing up his hands going, Do you know what Trump wants? I don't know what Trump wants. Trump doesn't know what he wants. You're dealing with an absolute child here. Finally, one more for you guys.

Senator John Cornyn, number two, in the pecking order in the Senate for the Republican, says, when asked, hey, what did he mean by that tweet? This is totally against what your proposals have been for this entire time. It says, quote, I'm not sure what the president means. Yep, he's as dumb as you think you are. He is.

And all the Republicans are like, ah, Jesus Christ, back to the drawing board. Now what are we going to do? Look, I guarantee you this, that if Trump actually genuinely wants to protect the children and doesn't want it to be part of this negotiations, I'll come back on here and give them all the credit in the world. Okay, but that's not what's happening.

What's happening is, as usual, the buffoon has no idea what the policy is, no idea what kind of negotiations were going on. Remember, this is the guy who claimed to be the master of the deal, the art of the deal, which he, of course, didn't write. Anyway, so that now looks like they're in trouble, and I hope it does get blown up because that's a crappy deal. Okay, now we go to Pennsylvania. Already this story is awesome based on graphics alone.

All right, so Pennsylvania 18 has a special election coming up because Tim Murphy apparently had a mistress who he then asked to get an abortion when he pretends to be pro-life. Very, very standard Republican story. Oh, yes, nobody should get an abortion. But I was having sex with a mistress and I'm family values. Of course I had to get an abortion, right? So whoever wants to stay, stay, stay, who I want to run, wrong, wrong, run. Tim Murphy's gone.

So they're doing a special election. Now, it's a heavily Republican district, very pro-Trump. So they'd like Trump to go there and campaign, because now the Republicans are in a little bit of a panic. They've lost 34 special elections, including in a rural, deeply red district in Wisconsin a couple of days ago. So the Hill explains that Trump will visit coincides with a concerted national effort in the district. So Trump's going to go, and this is all part of their effort to make sure that they win that seat. They explain further. National groups have spent more than $1 million, peppering the airways with advertising,

with more spending on building out a grand game for Saccone. Saccone is the guy running in the race for the Republicans, Rick Saccone. So he's a state rep right now, and they're obviously trying to make him a United States representative. So this is all in an effort to help Sucon. Now, the problem is that you're not, if you're the president, you're not supposed to go give campaign speeches, then the Republicans need to pay for it, and then they don't want to pay for. Those are really expensive when the president travels. You're supposed to be pretending to be on official business, okay?

And then, oh, golly, gee, my official business happened to be where you're about to have this election. But look, I saw a tank. It's official business, right? So now let me give you more details on it, and then I'll get to Trump's tweet, which you're going to love. Trump is scheduled to give a speech at a local manufacturing plant, not to hold a campaign event for GOP state. Senator Rick Saccone, who is running for the March 13th special election and is expected to be in the audience. So that's the official line that they're giving to the press.

And so far, so good, it's working out fine. And the Hill also explains the White House has repeatedly sought to frame the trip as an official stop, not a campaign event. Okay, so what does Donald Trump do? He tweets this. We'll be going to Pennsylvania today in order to give my total support for Rick, Code, running for Congress in a special election. Rick is a great guy.

We need more Republicans to continue our already successful agenda. You schmuck, you just admit it. You're going for campaign reasons, not for official reasons. Oh, I didn't know that. I don't do any homework. All I do is play golf and watch Fox and Friends. I wish I hadn't tweeted that. That's going to cost us a lot of money.

When Sarah Huckabee Sanders has asked about it, she says, while the president has made his clear his support for Republican candidates throughout the country, including in Pennsylvania, your purpose of today's visit is to promote the president's successful agenda, especially on taxes. It's about policy. It's about policy. I mean, yeah, you're embarrassing yourself. Please stop.

Could that tweet have been any clearer? I'm going for, he capitalized. again. He capitalized Rick Saccone. In case you were unclear, he was going to campaign for Rick Saccone. We'll be going to Pennsylvania today, not to do policy or to promote my taxes in order to give my total support for Rick Saccone. Running for Congress. Remember, this is about campaigns. I don't know if you know this. Trump is like a really smart person. Okay, I have to take a break, guys. When we come back, who does more terrorism in America?

Well, we have the official numbers. Probably the rest of the media would be shocked to find out. So in Washington, New York, you guys aren't going to be surprised. Right-wing extremists or Muslim extremists. But over a stretchy years, I've got a lot of numbers for you guys. And then what they're doing to Trump administration doing to help the banks is just ungodly. And, oh, speaking of ungodly, oh, the prosperity preachers, you're going to love that. story. By the way, as we go to break here, if you miss any part of the show, become a member,

you could podcast at any time you want. Fast forward, rewind if you like, t-y-tnetwork.com slash join, go. You're right in the middle of this podcast. We've got another great segment coming up for you. If you'd like the full show, which is actually five segments, go to t-y-tnetwork.com slash join. You become a member. You support the show. You support independent media. And you get the whole two-hour show ad-free every day. Let's go do it now. Casparian just got, it came in here. Busted my chops for taking too long. All right, all right. I hear you, Casper. Okay, she's coming up next and she has some great stories. All right. Let me read quick tweets before I get to my final story of the day. Don't you see I'm

Loco writes him, Islamic terrorists are also right-wingers. That's a great point, and I don't mention it every time, but I should. They're the right-wing of the Islamic world. I.M. Sikes, says, when they say play to your base, they don't mean let Nazis kill people. At least that's what they, not what they used to mean. Okay. Crayfish Caddy says, there's no money to be made off of right-wing terror hysteria. That's why it's downplayed. Well, that's part of it. The other part of it is that it's hard to make the right-wing the others.

because they're roughly half the country. It's easier to say, oh, Muslims, they're the others. They're scary. Gays, they're the others. Ah, they're scary. That's what they used to say that about divorce people until they became too large a percentage of the population. Then they're like, oh, that part in the Bible where it says you shouldn't get divorced. We're dropping that.

Nobody cares about that anymore. It's too hard to demagogue on that. Okay. And by the way, member shoutouts are Gabriel Arenas and Kathy Scheller. Thank you for supporting the show. t-y-tnetwork.com slash join. Oh, my God, I did a story about the banks. And let me just tell you, look, we have our sponsor you guys know about it

at Aspiration.com. They're the lib bank, but you can't call them a bank. Anyway, and they're the libs because they give away way way too much money, 1% interest rate when the others are like at 0.025 or something. There's no money for using any ATM in the country, either from your bank. or their bank. There's no monthly minimums. I mean, they give away 10% of charity. They're cleaning. First of all, I don't know why conservatives aren't going over there and going to let, just give me the money. So, but I've decided that going forward, when someone's overly generous,

I'm going to say their aspiration.com, because those terms are too good. So, anyway, that's my decision, and I'm sticking with it. So now let's go over here and tell you about people who have taken advantage of people's generosity. All right. Anna's right, I talk too much. Anyway, so Kenneth Copeland is one of these guys who claims to be a prosperity preacher. So what does that mean? That means he robs you for his own benefit.

He says, oh, my God, I talk to the Lord Jesus Christ. And he said that I need a mansion, and your dumb ass has to pay for it. And then I talk to Lord Jesus Christ, you're not going to believe this. He says, I need a yacht, and your damn ass needs to pay for it. And then now, lately, and a lot of them do this, and I'm going to give you a couple examples here, white preachers do it, black preachers do it. They're like, this is a good scam, man. These guys will believe anything.

They think this guy walked out on water with virgin birth. You know, guess what they need? It turns out, I need a jet. And so this gentleman, Kenneth Copeland, asked for a jet, and he got it. They gave him money for his own jet. So he is beside himself. So he did a video bragging about it, rubbing it in people's face. Oh, you give me a hundred bucks.

Your kids can't eat for, can't eat lunch for the whole week. Look at my jet, you morons. Here he is. We took possession of the Gulfstream 5, and we give God praise for it and Thanksgiving. It is debt-free. This is a big deal, man. It's a big airplane. Hey, are you looking at this?

Hey, are you seeing this? I hope so. You bought it. You and Jesus. Father, we thank you so. And I'm asking you now, sir, according to your word, bless our partners beyond nature.

Yes, in the name of Jesus. For you said in 2002, I'm sending you new partners who are very strong financially and they will obey me. And I will increase your long-time partners and they will obey me. And you will not come short and you will not fail and you will not lack and you will not come behind and you will not be to men. Praise, Tom. Isn't that good? And it's coming to best.

You know what? Jesus is Lord. Man, they can find an excuse for anything in the Bible. They took that quote out of the Bible of you should be in the high places on Earth. It doesn't mean you should be in a high place on a $36 million jet, and that's what this is. It's a $36 million jet. And you hear that cackle, yeah, right? He's laughing at you, you don't even know it.

And when he was talking about partners, I was like, wait, is this a business or something? Does he have business partners? In which case, okay, if they made a lot of money, they buy a private jet, that's their business not my business, right? No, no, no. By partners, they mean the schmucks and the pews who gave me their hard-earned money thinking they're going to heaven when I just took their money and I turned it into a $36 million jet for my own ass. What are you doing with the jet?

It's a big aeroplane. What do you need that big aeroplane for? I see you and your wife. What are you doing? Are you loading that plane up with dozens of people going to feed the hungry and the poor? No. He just likes to go around the country and comfort.

Okay, in case you need clarity on that. By the way, he brags that it's debt free. Yeah, it's debt free because other people paid for it. You're the people who mistrusted you and believed that you had their best intention of mine were the suckers who paid for it. That's why it's debt-free. So in case you're confused about it, here's where you got the idea, Jesse Duplantis, who's another one of these scam artists preachers, him and Copeland sitting around what appears to be a kitchen table, but it's not. It's a TV set meant to make it seem like, oh, they're just, they're so

homely. And they're having a conversation about, hey, how are we going to pay for things? Like, oh, you're getting a bologna sandwich? How are we going to pay for that? No, but in their case, they're talking about jets. So listen. Brother Copeland, I was flying home from a meeting and I had come out of a glorious meeting. I had just met me and Cuffalo Dollar were preaching. Had a glorious meeting. So I was, for lack of a better way to say it,

I was spiritually high. I said, people were saved, touched, and blessed. God was in the plane that God so graciously they gave us. We're flying home. As I was going home, the Lord real quickly, he said, Jesse, do you like your plane? Now, you know, I thought that's an odd statement. He gave, I said, well, certainly Lord.

He said, do you really like it? And I thought, well, yes, Lord. He said, then he said this. So that's it? I didn't know how to handle that for a man. I went, what? He said, you're going to let your fate stagnate? And when he said that, that shocked me.

I went, whoa, wait. I literally unbuckered my seatbelt, my plane, and I stood up. My pilots looked at where I said, do you need something? I said, no, no, I'm talking to God right now. And he went back to flying. I said, Lord, I don't think I was letting my faith stagnate. He said, so this is all I could ever do. I said, you want, you're trying to tell me something.

When God tells you, your fate stagnating, you better start listening. And I thought, stagnating, you can't stay here. You got to do this or you're going to do this. He said this, you're on cruise control. You're moving, but no longer by your power. See? That's what the DVD is about. That's what that DVD is about.

Yeah, that's the DVD they're trying to scam me with. So get a load of this guy. First of all, he says, I talked to Creflow Dollar. We'll come back to Creffalo Dollar, because he's another preacher that rips people off for jets. I'll come back to you in a sec, okay? So they're all in it together. Okay, but then he gets, I was like, I had to watch that video twice. I'm like, wait, who was he talking to?

Turns out he was talking to the Lord. In the plane, he was talking to God. Did you understand what he said? God says to him, your plane sucks. You got a private jet and not good enough. I don't want your faith, your faith to stagnate. you need to ask your dumbass followers for a bigger jet. That's what that conversation was about.

Really? You remember when God interrupted you in the middle of something? Hey, by the way, Bob, you need a bigger chat. Remember when you had that conversation with God? How could you believe this? How can you believe this? God. Oh, God.

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don't feed the needy don't take care of the sick you need a bigger jet who's that oh god man look i love you guys i don't want to yell at you that if you gave them your hard earned dollars and you think you're going to heaven but you're wrong you're wrong they're tricking you they're laughing at you on that jet now here's copeland one more time talking to him and talking about taking a passenger airline well then i'd have to be in there with regular people watch You couldn't have done that on an airliner. No, sir, no way. Stand up and say, what did you say, Lord?

No. Okay, no, yeah. And the guy sitting over there, sir, what the hell is he think he's doing? You can't do that? You can't do that. No, no. The world is in such a shape. We can't get there without this. That's right.

We've got to have this. We would have, the mess that the airlines are in today, I would have to stop. I'm being very conservative. At least 75 to 80, more like 90% of what we're doing. because you can't get there from here. It's impossible. So we, we, and this was in such a good illustration. I just, the Lord, impress me.

That's why we're on that airplane. We can talk to God. Oh, God. It's true. It's, when I was flying for O'Roberts, the, brother Deweese, my boss on the airplane, he said, now, Kenneth, this is sanctuary. It protects the anointing on, brother Roberts. And he said, you keep your mouth shut.

Don't talk to him unless he talks. Because when he's on a meeting, he doesn't talk to anybody but God. Now, Oral used to fly airlines. But even back then, man, it got to the place where it was agitating his spirit, people coming up to him. He had become famous and they wanting him to pray for him and all that. You can't manage that today, this dope-filled world and get in a long tube with a bunch of demons. Right. That's exactly the thing.

And it's deadly. And he works on your heart. It really does. That's what they think of you, man. Getting on a long tube with demons. Who are the demons? We, regular people, to them, regular demons. And then they're agitating your spirit by asking you to pray for them.

I don't have time to pray for you, you idiot. Give me a jet. Give me a jet. That's going to be my sanctuary. How could you believe this? How could you believe this? We can't get down 70% of 80% of what we need to do. If we didn't have a private jet, how we're going to do it?

Got to fail to fly with you regular people we despise and call demons. Now you're going to want me to pray for you. You're a goddamn pastor. That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to pray for people. And God, their contempt for you is unreal. And yet you give them money so they can laugh at you behind your back. Jesus Christ, literally.

Impossible. Yeah, nobody can get around this country on a, regular jet. Nobody takes planes, right? Don't you have your private jet? It's impossible to get around otherwise. I mean, what we're going to do fly with all those demons? So, like I told you, another guy looking to get private jets who's another prosperity preacher is Kreflor dollar. And he already had a jet, but he thought that one's not good enough. And I'll show you why in a sec. So he asked his parishioners for not $36 million for a jet. Copeland, flying too low. Crafloo wanted $65 million for his jet.

So he got a lot of heat for that. And then for a little while, because of the media attention, he said, I'll get you fine, fine. I don't need a $65 million jet. And then once people stop paying attention, you know what he did? He went back and asked for the $65 million jet again. They're unreal. Here, you know what, let me skip to Graphic 47 for a second, because I want to read to you the very last sentence when they asked for the jet again. This is Dollar now.

By the way, he says last name is Dollar. He named himself Creflo Dollar. Anyway, we the world changers family so value the lives, the safety and the well-being of our pastors and leaders that we wish to provide to them the best air travel experience possible. I love that quote because they're not even pretending. They're not pretending is for you, it's for the needy or anything. They're like, how could a pastor of a megachurch fly around with a tube full of demons?

He's got to have the best possible jet. If he doesn't have a $65 million jet, how in the world is he supposed to talk to Jesus Christ? It doesn't matter where they're from. It's the bottom line is the only thing they care about, man. Ripping you off is the only thing they care about. But why does Kreffloor dollar? Hold on now one more time.

He named himself. That's not his given name. He named himself Kreflot Dollar. What? If he gets this jet, you know what? He's just going to change his name to. I rip you off. off. And you'll be like, oh, okay, great. Oh, man, that I rip you off preacher is awesome. Where do I send the money? Okay, now, why does he need a new jet? Because this is what happened to his old jet. Take a look at the tweet. Oops. I guess Jesus wasn't his co-pilot. Now, wait a minute, I thought the whole point of the jet was because Jesus was on your side. Why isn't Jesus looking out for that jet of yours?

Huh, it's almost as if he wanted you to crash the jet because you're such a scam artist ripping off all the people who came to church looking for salvation. And then you know what he did? Of course, Creflet turned around because this is all they do is lie, lie, lie, lie. So he turned around and goes, oh, the jet crashed. By the way, nobody was hurt. The jet crashed because of the grace of God. Well, why? He's like, well, it crashed, but no one got hurt.

Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus, give me a new jet. Well, why didn't Jesus just not crash it in the first place? Don't ever send these guys money, man. The world's biggest scam artists. All right, I got to go. Casper's coming next. All right, we'll be right back. Thanks for watching.

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