The Young Turks - The Young Turks 11.30.17: Tillerson, Tom Cotton, Geraldo, and Trump ‘First-Rate P**sy’ Comment

Episode Date: December 1, 2017

A portion of our Young Turks Main Show from November 29th, 2017. For more go to http://www.tytnetwork.com/join. Hour 1: Cenk. Tillerson on chopping block. Tom Cotton might head CIA. Roy Moore in 2011: women shouldn’t run for office, don’t vote for them. Jane Sanders vs. Joy Ann Reid. Tony Schwartz on Trump having dementia. Scarborough on Trump drama. Allegations against Conyers. Workplace harassment poll.  Hour 2: Cenk & John. Geraldo’s tweets about Lauer. Old school Trump comments on women’s lady parts. Wal Mart forced to pull shirt that threatens journalists. Man beaten up for paying ticket with pennies. Fox News refuses to run ad explaining how Trump personally benefits from his tax plan. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, the Young Turks are the Wild and Woolly Day. I got a lot of stories for you guys making about some some small ones but mainly big ones story of the days in the next segment that's going to be joy read versus jane Sanders oh no battle royale and gee I went oversight I'm going to be on I can't quite tell I actually like joy a lot back in the day we got along swimmingly anyways real talk about how the president has literally, literally lost his mind. Some now moving towards what we told you all along. Twenty-fifth Amendment, there's some chance that he has dementia. We're going to get to that story a little bit later. And then, of course, the news is filled with the sexual

harassment stories that are all coming out now. And we can't fit them all into the show, but we are going to do John Conyers a little bit later in the program. Heraldo Rivera in a interesting defense of Matt Lauer, and then we're going to have a debate in the second hour. John and I are, we're going to do old school TYT Supreme Court on whether the crass statements that Donald Trump made a bunch of years ago was acceptable or unacceptable. Yes, and that's actually going to be a debate. So that's going to be fascinating. So we got a hell of a show for you guys.

First, let's start with some really serious news about what's happening inside the government. go. Rex still listens to Secretary of State, at least for now, but it looks like there's a movement of foot to get him out. Now, if you remember, he, of course, was the CEO of Exxon Mobile. Why was he even Secretary of State in the first place? Well, Donald Trump and the Russians have some sort of friendship, let's put it that way, and the Russians' number one priority from the U.S. government was to lift the sanctions so that they can complete a half a trillion dollar deal with ExxonMobil. So now that's going to play into the story a little bit later, but they have not been able

to lift those sanctions. Senate and the House voted to maintain them, and in fact add new sanctions, and the vote was so overwhelming, 98 to 2 that Trump was forced to sign it because they could override his veto. By the way, he still has not actually implemented those sanctions, as usual, completely outside of the law for Donald Trump. But then the drama began when Rex Tillerson, apparently. called in a private meeting

the president an effing moron and then the president was unhappy with that when that news story broke he claimed that it was fake but you could tell that he knew that it was real because among the different crazy things that he did was challenging his own secretary

of state to an IQ test yeah that's when you know someone's really smart when they publicly challenge others to IQ tests including people on their own team so now the New York Times with at this point, I suppose, an unsurprising story that the Trump team is beginning to push Rex Tillerson out. So let me give you the details.

The White House has developed a plan to force out Secretary of State Tillerson, whose relationship with President Trump, has been strained and replaced him with Mike Pompeo, the CIA director, perhaps within the next several weeks, senior administration officials said on Thursday. When Trump was asked about this, he gave this awesome non-answer. He's here Rex is here Well I suppose so Almost by definition But if you Have ever seen a noncommittal

Answer that is it In other words Nah Nah Okay Sarah Huckabee Sanders The White House spokesperson Press Secretary said There are, I want to ask about this

There are no personnel announcements At this time it was a it was a brief romance in fact i'm going to get to how brief it is in a second and nero times explains public disclosure of mr kelly's transition plan may have been meant as a signal to the secretary that it is time to go i'm pretty sure that's exactly what the point of that leak was yes absolutely now turning to mr tiller's reaction Mr. Tillson's departure has been widely anticipated for months, as the Times explains. But Associates have said that he was intent on finishing out the year.

I love this part, to retain whatever dignity he could. Even so an end-of-the-year exit would make his time in office the shortest of any Secretary of State whose tenure was not ended by a change in presidents in nearly 120 years. Now, given Trump's track record, it's more about Trump than it is about Tillerson. As I've said, many times I believe that he still thinks that he's on the apprentice and has to fire a person a week. He has fired more people than you could possibly imagine. Any one of these fires might have been a giant scandal under the Obama administration, but under Trump we have gotten quite used to them.

But here's an interesting twist. In March, Tillerson had admitted that he, quote, didn't want this job. So that goes to my theory about the Russian sanctions. The only reason Tillerson took the job is because he wanted to lift those sanctions to help his good friends at ExxonMobil. He was not only the CEO, he was there for 41 years, obviously had a ton of stock options along the way, et cetera, and owed a lot of allegiance to that company. It's a half a trillion dollar deal with Russia that Exxon had. but the revenue from that deal could be as high as $9 trillion.

Now, in March, you began to get notes from the Senate and the House that they were going to make sure that the sanctions could not be lifted. And all of a sudden, Tillerson's like, wait, what am I doing here? Now, remember, March is only a couple months into the term, and at that point, Tillerson is already like, oh, this turned out to be useless. So frustration is on both sides and rooted in what I believe is the core corruption of both parties. I mean, there's a reason why Trump put Tillerson in, and there's a reason why Tillerson accepted, and it has nothing to do with the fact that he had any experience in diplomacy because he didn't. He had zero experience. It had everything to do with the fact that he was the CEO of Exile Mobile.

Okay. And the Times further explains that Mr. Tillerson has often been on a different page than Mr. Trump, and he has spent much of his time reorganizing the State Department, slashing its budget, and pushing out more than 2,000 career diplomats. So I don't want you to get things twisted here. A lot of you, if you're Americans, or even more so if you're from anywhere else in the world, can't stand Trump. But that doesn't mean that the people that are opposed to Trump are necessarily good guys,

especially within his own administration. No, Tillerson, I think, came in for corruption and then nearly pulverized the State Department. So I shed no tear for Tillerson leaving. I think he was a bad guy. I think he came in with bad intent and had very bad actions within the State Department. Now, just because Trump is worse, doesn't make Tillerson a good guy. Now, how about the guy replacing him, Mike Pompeo? That is who they believe will come in.

He is currently the CIA director. why does Trump want him? Because number one, Pompeo kisses his ass, and quite feverishly at that. That is the number one qualifying attribute that Donald Trump looks for, and it is explained in every article on this issue, that they're like, oh, Trump likes the fact that Pompeo is pro-Trump, won't question Trump. So Pompeo, to some degree, politicize the CIA. To be fair to him, he also did point out that, yes, the Russians did interfere in 2016 elections. But in other, in every other way, supported Trump locks that. So Trump is looking forward to him doing that at State Department.

Now, the second reason to support Pompeo is because the alt-right loves him. So you remember Sebastian Gorka, the guy who was so unhinged that Trump loved him on TV, but his chief of staff, John Kelly, had to remove him from the White House because he was such a lunatic. Well, in October, Sebastian Gorka, former advisor to President Donald Trump, told Breitbart Pompeo is, quote, fully on board, very loyal to the president. That's Page Lavender at Huff Post reporting that. And of course, the president loves that. And Gorka's a complete alt-right character.

So the fact that he likes Pompeo is a very bad sign. And in fact, he went on to say, having someone like Pompeo come into the State Department would be great news. And if it's great news to the alt-right and Sebastian Gorka, it is probably terrible news the country. So from bad to worse, that is the usual state of affairs for the Trump administration. Okay. Now, we move to the second part of this story. Okay. Very credible news, obviously, that Rex Tillerson is leaving the State Department. They're thinking of replacing it with Mike Pompeo, who's a current CIA director. Well, that means the CIA director position is open. Well,

looks like a certain senator from Arkansas has cotton to the position, if you will. Okay, that's Tom Cotton. He's relatively young. He's 40 years old. He served one term in the House. He served three years in the Senate, enormously ambitious. And the number one way that he has shown that ambition is a ruthless ability to deliver for donors. I've talked about him ever since he's been in the Senate and shown in every instance that if there is a far right position Tom Cotton will take it. There is a pro-donor position, pro-billionaire position. Tom Cotton will not only take it, but feverishly defend it.

So that is who Tom Cotton is. So now we go to the Times for explaining how this is going to break down. Mr. Pompeo would be replaced to the CIA by Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas, who's been a key ally of the president on national security matters, according to the White House plan. Mr. Cotton has signaled that he would accept a job if offered, said the officials who insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations before decisions are announced. So why do they like Tom Cotton? Well, for the most obvious and consistent reason.

Here's a quote from Reuters. He is a staunch Trump ally. When Trump is doing a job interview, number one through nine priorities is how much do you kiss my ass? And Tom Cotton is excellent at that. That's actually his expertise. That's his main claim to fame is, if you're a donor, I will kiss your ass. If you're a defense contractor, I will kiss your ass. If you're the president, Donald Trump, oh my God, he's going to work on you. So Trump loves this and goes, oh, Tom Cotton, this guy won't stop kissing my ass. This is perfect.

I'll make him the CIA director. The CIA where I could maybe manipulate some intelligence to tell you that I don't have a connection with Russia. they didn't interfere in the election. Now, whether they go that far is up for discussion. Tom Cotton in the passes, somewhat lukewarm response to that, but has said that Trump seems, I'm sorry, Russia seemed to have played a role in 2016 election. But there's one other thing that they might want to fix in terms of intelligence

at the CIA, if you will, and that is the issue of going to war with Iran. But hold one more note about Tom Cotton before we got to the Iran issue, which I think is the most important. what does he think about some of the terrible practices that the CIA has done in the past? Well, loves it. He said, quote, waterboarding isn't torture. Well, that's like your opinion, man, but actually the law says that it is. So here's a guy who has raised his hand and said, I will not abide by the law.

It clearly says under U.S. law as well as international law, that waterboarding is torture. But if I'm the CIA director, maybe we go back to torture. So that's who Tom Cotton is. Okay, now, but the main qualifier other than ask kissing is that he has, quote, vigorously oppose the Iran nuclear deal. So Tom Cotton is an enormous war hawk. And in fact, on the Iran deal, when he first got into the Senate, he immediately wrote a letter saying to the Ayatollah, hey, listen, I want to make sure that I can subvert the negotiations of the United States government. If you do a deal with the U.S. government, we promise that we will not abide by it.

What an unbelievable thing to do. If Nancy Pelosi had gone behind George Bush's back and penned a letter to the Ayatollah saying, don't listen to our commander and chief, I'm telling you that we will not follow what he says. It would have been unbelievable. It would have been the biggest story. It would have been in some ways it would have been. And Cotton did it, and he got 47 Republicans to sign along. Oh, yeah.

The president don't trust his word. We don't care. We won't follow the laws. We won't follow our treaties. They signed that letter. It was atrocious. Tom Cotton, his donors want the war, and he's going to give them more. Here's Heather Digby Parton at Salon writing.

It seems likely that he's among the advisors who pushed the president toward decertification of the Iran deal based on no evidence. Now, we did the deal, and in the deal, if you don't remember, we took Iran's uranium away so that they cannot make a nuclear weapon. That sounds like a pretty good deal, right? Because the whole point was we don't want them making nukes. In fact, that's what the right wing was going nuts over. Oh my God, Iran's going to get a nuke. It's an existential threat for everybody. Okay, great. So we got rid of their nukes. Yeah, but I don't like Obama, and I actually really wanted war. That was just a pretext for war. So, okay, now they could decertify the deal if Iran is not following the deal.

But, you know, and the Republicans are looking for anything where they didn't cross a T or dot an eye because, oh, they want that war. But they haven't found any. There's no evidence that Iran has not listened, not abided by the deal at all. So Tom Cotton's like, I don't know, we should decertify anyway. Who cares? Because Cotton wants war. His daughters want war.

and they're going to get that war if Tom Cotton can get some evidence at the CIA. Maybe it'll be a slam dunk like we've seen in the past. So this is really, really bad news. There is no more warmonger and a person detached from facts and evidence than Tom Cotton. So it's not surprising that Trump would pick a guy like that. But if you thought the war in Iraq was bad, wait until you get a load of the war with Iran. So I hope to God that doesn't happen and somehow this is derailed, but likely it'll go through. So buckle up and brace for impact.

Okay. Oh my God, if they start a war, Jesus Christ. Okay. Anyway, oh my God, Iran is so much larger than Iraq. It's so much more powerful. These morons have no idea what they're getting us into. Okay, or maybe they do. They think, who cares?

All these people will die. But my defense contractor friends will make money. My oil company friends will make money. They're the worst people on earth. Okay, now let's go to the, speaking of the worst people on earth, let's go to Roy Moore. Okay. Interesting new revelations about Roy Moore. This is not about the children that he molested when he was in his 30s.

This is about his political beliefs. Now, that's perfectly relevant to the race, right? So the Republicans is complaining about, oh, well, stop. talking about how he molested 14-year-olds. Okay, fine, here. We'll talk about what he believes. So, think progress reports here. Alabama Republican Senate candidate, Roy Moore, co-authored a 2011

study course in which a speaker contended women should not be allowed to run for public office, and if they did, people have a moral obligation not to vote for them. Well, to be fair, I mean, you know, what are we going back?

Dozens of years here? Oh, no, 2011. That's it. In 2011, he co-authored a book and it's by the way this curriculum is in a non-stance school that isn't an actual school it's meant to trick people and say oh

there's the Christian way and come pay for this and then we'll tell you how to subjugate women and oh yeah great let's do it right so Roy Moore was involved in that in 2011 on this like this didn't get him disqualified like the Alabama voters look at stuff like this are like oh women should know their role

right yeah Roy Moore Oh, the child molestation, well, that's 50-50, let's think about it. Anyway, look, let's get you to the details so you could make up your own mind as to whether it was really that bad. Well, here was one of the lessons from that book that Roy Moore co-authored, or the core city co-authored. The title is the biblical role of the women is opposed to the idea of female magistrates, meaning people or women in government. Number one, the woman was created to be a helper suited for men. Number two, she is called to fulfill the roles that God has determined for her. God or the men in charge.

Anyway, number three, she used to be a keeper at home. Number four, she used to be the mother of the children. In other words, know your role, literally. And so if you're a woman in Alabama, you're thinking of voting for Roy Moore. okay, I think you ought to have your head examined, but if you want to be subjugated and denied certain rights that every other American has, go for it. In fact, they also in this course criticized the suffragette movement that got the women the right to vote.

And what are they doing? Why do they have shoes on them? They're outside. Shouldn't they be barefeiting at home? I would get the right to vote. This is the American Taliban. So his co-professor in this course at the Vision Forum was William Einwechter. And so what does Mr. Einvector have to say about women?

He says they are, quote, the weaker vessel. These are not random quotes from this gentleman. This is in the course. He said about women, she's not a warrior. She's not a judge. She's a woman. This is the Republican Party in Alabama. Okay. And by the way, you can prove me wrong. You can show me that it's not the Republican Party in Alabama if the Republicans don't vote for this guy. If you do, you're like, yeah, of course. Women. That weak, weaker vessel. Anyway, here's more from Einwechter. Sometimes we may have had a hard time discerning the faith, the character, and the views of a particular candidate. But we can usually discern if the candidate's a man or a woman. And so there is no excuse on that one. In conclusion, we've argued that scripture teaching.

teaches us that it is not God's revealed will for a woman to serve as a civil magistrate and thus to rule over men in the civil sphere. No, no, no, no. You can't rule over us. We rule over you, says Einvacher. Einvector. Okay. And one last one, I think from him, yes. The world is in such pressing need for mothers, motherly women, that none can be spared for

public life. Why don't you just be the baby machine that we decided you should be? And shut up about it. You being in government and ruling over us. No, that's not how it works. And Roy Morris says, yes,

vision for him, this course, teaching with this guy. Wonderful, wonderful. Women know your role. If you if you're a woman in Alabama, you vote for Roy Moore, I guess you had a coming. And if he takes away your rights, you should celebrate. Yes. Yes, back to bare feet in the kitchen.

Yes. No, me, a judge, of course. I can't do that. I'm weak. Okay, if you feel that way, go vote for Roy Moore. I find you to be pathetic. Okay, strong women in Alabama, and I believe they exist in numbers. If they see this, I think we'll get a sense of Roy Moore's true character.

Okay, one last thing. Vision Forum, this nonsense non-college, was run by a guy named Doug Phillips. But it doesn't exist anymore. Now, wait a minute. They were just teaching the course back in 2011. It's not that long ago. Why? What happened?

Well, let's find out. Vision Forum closed in 2013 after Phillips resigned, having admitted to a lengthy and inappropriately romantic and affectionate relationship with a woman who was not his wife. Shortly thereafter, that woman, Lordus Torres Mantiful, sued Phillips and Vision Forum, detailing an emotionally, psychologically, and sexually abusive relationship that started when she was just 15 years old.

Birds of a feather flocked together. So there you have it. All the good Christians down in Alabama with their family values in the Republican Party. You like family values? How you like them values? Women should know their role, and apparently so should little girls, 14, 15, and 16 years old. These conservatives down in Alabama that support Roy Moore knowing this stuff are honestly depraved and sometimes unfortunately proud of it. Your choice, you want to back this guy, that's your call, but then we know exactly who you are.

Okay. So I'm not done with him by damn sight. Let's keep going on, Roy Moore, one other story. So recently Roy Moore is given a speech at Magnolia Springs Baptist Church in Alabama, and he's got to figure it out what the real problem is here. It's not that he tried to sexually assault a 14-year-old when he was 32. No, no, no, that's not the problem. It's not that he tried to rape a 16-year-old when he was in his 30s in the back of a

working line. No, that's not the problem. It turns out the problem is lesbians and gays. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-E-The Republic, or UNFTR. As a Young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich and powerful. But now there's a podcast dedicated to unraveling those lies, debunking the conventional In each episode of On The Republic, or UNFTR, the host delves into a different historical episode or topic that's generally misunderstood or purposely obfuscated by the so-called

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And that's true whether you're in Jedi training or you're uprooting and exposing all the propaganda and disinformation you've been fed over the course of your lifetime. So search for UNFDR in your podcast app to the, and get ready to get informed, angered, and entertained, all at the same time. When I say they, who are they? They're going to change that. They've done everything. When I say they, who are they? They're liberals. They don't want conservative values. They're the, right, right. They're the, less engaged bisexual and transgender

who want to change our culture. They're socialists who want to change our way of life. Quitting man above God and their government is our government. They're the Washington establishment. They simply

will speak their jobs do the same thing, keep everything saying because they don't lose their position, their power, and their prestige. Yeah, of course. They're out to get him. That's the real issue. He mentions liberals and socialists in there. I didn't know there were a lot of socialists down in Gadsden, Alabama, because that's where all the stories are coming from. The stories of the young woman who he assaulted and molested.

The stories of how he was banned from the Gadsden Mall in Alabama, because he was a pervert chasing after young girls when he was in his 30s. The stories of how he's banned from football games. And the cops had to watch out to make sure that he didn't go after the cheerleaders. leaders in the high school football games. Those were all came out of Gadsden, Alabama. I didn't know that Gadsden was filled with socialists. But let's put that aside for a second. The gays and the lesbians?

I did not know the Gadsden, Alabama, was a hub for lesbian activity. They have no morals whatsoever. Whenever they're caught doing it something, so it wasn't me. It wasn't me. It was the gays and the lesbians. But wait a minute, what did a member of the LGBT community have anything to do with when you cornered a 16-year-old girl in a parking lot and ripped her clothes off? And then you threw her body out of your car in the cold of night.

There was no gay or lesbian person in that car. You were in that car. But the thing is, they don't believe in personal responsibility. And so whenever they get into trouble, it was him, it was him, it was him. Scapecote, scapegoat. scapecoat. Is it a Muslim? Muslim doesn't make sense. I don't know. Let's play it on the gays and lesbians. Or maybe he was a Mexican. But it wasn't me. It wasn't me. No, it was you, Roy Moore. Okay. So now that part is loathsome. And, you know, the thing that drives me crazy is the guy who was leading

in the polls before we found out he was a child molester. And now it's kind of 50-50. So good folks down in Alabama with the Republicans, lots of family values there. But even before we found out he was a child molester, he said, uh, Muslims shouldn't be allowed to serve in Congress so he doesn't understand the U.S. Constitution. It told you a story about how in 2011 he says women shouldn't be in office or in government. And Alabama Republicans are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the hell sounds, right? Everything is the fault of the gays and the lesbians, and they shouldn't have the same rights as us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds about right.

He had said that the trans genders don't have rights, that they don't have any rights, that American citizens, because of their gender identity, should not have any rights at all. This guy was a monster from day one, even before we found out he was a child molested. All right, so and he confirms it here, and these are not old stories, this just happened. All right, so that's the substantive part, and then it took a weird turn. That was not the weird part. The weird part's about to come. There's two different protesters that then spring up in this church.

One is a legit guy who is bothered by Roy Moore's assertions. He stands up in the church and says some powerful stuff. And of course, he's immediately escorted out. Second guy is from the Jimmy Kimmel show. And he's pretending to be a Roy Moore supporter. That's where it gets a little fun, to be honest. Let's watch. Never once has anyone stated anything like it's occurred in the last three and a half weeks.

That's right. That's all. The entire town, all over the line. Five statewide campaign. Why would they lie? In three-counting, one place. We can stop it and get them out. Hey, come on, get out of here, dude.

We're here for the judge. We're here for the judge. She's a man's man's man. The judge is a man's man's man. You've got this. You've got this. Don't listen to him. Get out of out of here.

That's a man's man. Because I'm like the face of a molester. me a shit, that's a man's man. That's a man. So the actual protester was saying, stood up and said, what do you think all the girls are lying? Why are all, everybody in the town of Gadsden, Alabama, lying except you?

That doesn't make any sense. Then the Kimmo guy gets up, and he goes by Jake Bird. Well, that's not his real name as you saw, it's Tony Barbieri. Man's man, but my favorite part is he keeps calling him a judge. and he keeps saying, does that look like the face of a molester? It's a great twist. He's going to do it again. Watch.

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You know what? Because I believe in the judge, And I don't believe in the ladies who are a lot. Does that look like the face of someone who hits on teenage girls? No back down. No. That's amazing. Okay.

Okay. That was fun. He has a shirt on. Moore. And part of the point of this gag is that when he was in the parking lot and the reporters were there, a bunch of the Roy Moore supporters came up to him. They're like, oh, where'd you get that shirt? I want that shirt. So then Roy Moore finds out that he was actually with Jimmy Kimmel gets upset and sends this tweet where he says, Jimmy Kimmel, if you want to mock our Christian values, come down here to Alabama and do it man to man. What's that mean? What are you going to get into a physical fight with him?

What a cloud. Oh, yeah. I'll punch you. What are you a child? Okay, another end, the Republican congressman in Montana slammed a report to the ground. You never know. They believe in physical violence, so it's possible. And second of all, what do you mean Christian values? He's not mocking you for your Christian values. He's mocking you for molesting 14-year-old girls. Is that your Christian values? Kimmel then tweets back at him and says, sounds great, Roy, let me know when you get some Christian values and I'll be right there. And then one more from Roy Moore, he says, despite D.C. and Hollywood elites bigotry towards Southerners,

Jimmy will save you a seat on the front pew. Yeah, he's not mocking Southerners, he's mocking you. And if you think that Jimmy Kimmel is saying, hey, you shouldn't have, try to have sex with 14-year-olds or rape 16-year-olds applies to all Southerners, there's some chance that you are the one disrespecting Southerners. Nobody's accusing everybody else of doing that. They're only accusing you of doing it. This guy would have been atrocious and terrible and un-American, even without any of the sexual allegations. doesn't believe that transgender people should have the same rights as you. Doesn't believe lesbians and gay should have the same rights as you.

In fact, he blames them for his own problems. Doesn't believe women should have the same rights. And of course he doesn't believe Muslims should have the same rights. And no one has even asked him about Mexicans and blacks. God knows what he thinks about that. This guy is despicable through and through. All right, we got to take a quick break here. When we come back, does Donald Trump have dementia?

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We've got a lot of stories for you all. So let me just give you two quick tweets. Ruth Benedict says, why are sexual predators asked to step down? Isn't sexual assault a crime? Why on earth are these people not being arrested? Very, very fair question. It depends on what they did, obviously. Of course.

And some issues are nuanced and some are not. And some are outside of statute. with limitations, unfortunately. And some might just be that the cops are doing an investigation right now. I mean, if they don't arrest Harvey Weinstein, then we have no justice in this country. It just came out today that one of those investigations has been stalled, apparently against Harvey Weinstein. One of the accusers said. Jeremy Kohler says, if this tax bill passes, there's only one thing to say, fuck the Republican Party.

They hate America, they only care about money. Jeremy, we did that before. Yeah, I was going to say, I think you can go ahead and say that right now. Yeah. Let's save me the trouble. Okay. All right. So now, John I agree to do another story together. I'm doing the first one, okay? So you all know that Matt Lauer obviously was in a lot of trouble because of allegations of sexual harassment, significant ones, and then was fired yesterday by NBC News.

He was their top star in terms of being a host of the Today Show, which is their most popular program and most profitable one as well. is their top star in terms of how much money they paid him, which was $28 million a year. But some of the allegations were quite significant. Herala Rivera did not see it that way, and he started tweeting. This was a bad idea. So we do want to discuss whether he has any points at all. So let me give you his tweets. He says, sad about Matt Lauer, great guy, highly skilled, and empathetic with guests,

and a real gentleman to my family and me, but perhaps not a gentleman to others. Anyway, he says news is a flirty business, and it seems like the current epidemic of sexual harassment allegations may be criminalizing courtship and conflating it with predation. What about Garrison Keeler? Okay. Wait, what about him? So, apparently he thinks that that was nobody gild. And I don't know that, and we discussed this yesterday, I don't know all the details of what Garrison Keeler is accused of, so I can't comment on that. John, I'm going to go tweet by tweet, but let me pause here.

Look, I think all these folks are in a tough position when they know and like a person. So he knows and apparently likes Matt Lauer and their families know each other. So if I was close to someone, it'd be tough. You have to get past that and go what he did was wrong. Okay? But I think that Geraldo is now saying there is some court. courtship, right, and it does happen in some office environments, including news. Actually, let me give you one more tweet, and then let's talk about it.

He says, jerks are jerk in dating, sexual harassment should be confined to situations where superior imposes himself on subordinate, who feels unable to complain because of power of perp or feared consequences to victims' employment. Shouldn't be used to get even with bad bosses or hated exes. But he's saying this in response to the Matt Lauer stuff, which is exactly what he's saying it should be confined to. So it comes off as bizarre that you're taking this opportunity to say that people are just going wild. He was the highest paid, perhaps in some ways, most powerful person there. And one of the women specifically said that she went along with a sexual thing because of her fear of losing her job and didn't talk about it immediately afterward because of the shame.

and probably continued fear about if she had brought it up a few years ago and they had to decide should we listen to her or should we, you know, and then fire our $28 million a year earning Matt Lauer. I mean, we know how historically that's gone at a lot of these companies. Maybe they would have given her a little bit of money and then she would have been shuttled out the door. And maybe that's the end of her career. So I don't think that it's unfair to point out that you shouldn't believe every allegation.

And especially if there's going to be any kind of proceeding and here, There isn't. It's just a matter of internal investigation. And Matt Lauer doesn't seem to even disagree with the firing. Certainly hasn't said anything along those lines. He said some of what has been alleged isn't true. There wasn't caveats. But he implies that some of it is true.

Yeah. But so I just think that Geraldo, even if you were to make this point, and it's a fair point that, yes, some small percentage of women might want to, you know, go after bad bosses or people that they were in relationship with, you at least have to, A, point out that it's a very small percentage of women. Because historically and statistically, that's the case. And number two, this is a bizarre one to fight on. I mean, I get it because he's friends with Matt Lauer. But it seems like, like Roger Ailes, who Geraldo also defended in the beginning,

He later changed his tune on that, but also described what Roger Ailes was doing as flirty. Both Roger Ailes and Matt Lauer are alleged to have taken their pants off. Ailes chased a woman around the room with his pants off. And so I think that goes way, way beyond flirty. Yeah, I guess Devil's advocate, he might be thinking that he's not specifically responding to the Matt Lauer. It's just, oh, look, another one. Now let me talk in a meta way about all of it. I don't know that that's what he's doing, but that might be how he defends himself.

But I think, and look, he's going to undercut himself even more in the next tweet, which is far worse. But the general idea that in this sort of situation, very often people like Geraldo and others feel the need to say, well, what if they're just coming after bad bosses or hated exes or what if they're just looking for money? Like, it's not just that, like, he's not necessarily the person to be delivering that message because he's coming off as a guy who's sweating down the back of his neck right now about this whole situation. Let's ignore all of that. To any guy that wants to make that comment in the future, we got it. Everybody already knows the concern about the possibility that there will be reprisals against bosses or somebody you were pissed off against or maybe some girl wants money or maybe some girl lies. Everybody has already heard that point. It's not like, oh my God, Geraldo makes an amazing idea.

What if they were like? We get that. And obviously, every case involves looking at the specific deal. details. But when your response largely is just that, it seems like you're more concerned about the man in this case. And in this case, it's a man who clearly did it, Matt Lauer, who did terrible things. And so, yes, we're going to react negatively to this. Everybody already gets the concerns about the possibility of deception. Nobody's ever going to jail without people investigating what actually happened. And so you don't need to continually reiterate

it over and over, as if that's the only thing that we should be thinking about at this point. One more tweet from Geraldo. He says sexual harassment allegations should require, one, made in a timely fashion, say, within five years. Two, some contemporaneous corroboration like witnesses, electronic or written communications. With money settlements and multi-millions, slight chance exists some victims are motivated by more than justice. It does seem like it's a Christine O'Donnell moment when this, that was a person. who ran for Senate in Delaware, she was the Republican and Tea Party candidate, and she famously made an ad saying, I'm not a witch, where people were like, why were you a witch? And so,

now, Geraldo. Suspiciously, her opponent did not make clear that they weren't a witch or a sorcerer or a necromancer or anything. Yes, that was weird. Anyway, so Geraldo's wrong about point number one, because he says, oh, you've got to make it within five years. But In the 1970s, 80s, 90s, until maybe just a couple of months ago, people were not in a position to be able to come out without fear of reprisals, which there were plentiful, people being fired, which happened all the time. In fact, Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly were accused of firing people if they wouldn't have sex with them. And you work at Fox News. I think you should be familiar by now with that. And a lot of that happened well past five years ago.

And that is exactly what was wrong with the culture back then. So saying, oh, if it's five years ago, in other words. You want a grandfather in abuse? Yeah. It feels like Geraldo's saying that. Remember, whatever you think you might catch me doing was six years ago or earlier. Anyway, and a lot of these women have had. It has to be within the, you can't make a claim after five months, five years and three months or so.

And 21 days, not that I mean anything, I'm just- Within that time, that's enough. Anyway, and most of these women have contemporaneous corroboration. In fact, the New York Times watched, both different outlets that have reported on the different cases have been methodical in pointing out who they said it to at the time, not just today. Not like, oh, there's stuff going on, to Heraldos point about,

I'd like to get rich, I'm going to say it now when it didn't really happen in the past. No, they told their ex-boyfriends, their husbands, et cetera, et cetera. Which makes it at the end of the day, like, I'm not intending to offend him, but kind of a stupid point to make. First of all, about the five years, that's ridiculous. If you committed a crime, it's a crime. I don't care how long is gone. We can still judge you based on it. But then about the contemporaneous thing, does he think that people are losing their jobs?

Purely based on one comment, they don't look into it at all. There's nothing? No, Matt Lauer did not lose his job without any evidence that it was true whatsoever. Obviously, the companies are already doing those sorts of investigations. In the most high-profile cases, like Harvey Weinstein, like Roy Moore, we have tons of contemporaneous witness statements and other forms of evidence. That's already there. And the people who are doing these investigations know that they need that. It just comes off again as this sort of weird knee-jerk need to do what you think is defending yourself.

pointing out stuff that's abundantly clear to everyone who's already been paying attention to this issue. Look, maybe it's because he's at Fox News and there are allegations of a person we definitely will not name who is looking for money when she was not in this similar situation as many other women at Fox News were. And I don't know if that's what's under his skin. I have no idea because I don't know any of that internal stuff. So guys, look, like to John's point, yes, Of course, at some point, there'll be a bad actor. Of course, not every person is dropped from heaven and is telling the truth. But the overwhelming majority of them are, right?

So the thing about you're balancing here, right? So when people say, I believe the women, what they're saying is, in the past, the women were not believed, right? Heraldo's rule five years ago. They were not believed, right? So it doesn't mean that every woman is telling the truth. And yes, somebody might look for money, and yes, somebody might be mad at an X or something like that.

And yes, that should all be properly investigated. But it doesn't look like Matt Lauer is that case. And like I said earlier, in a Facebook post last fall, as Health Post explains, Rivera also referred to journalism as a flirty business. He said he regarded one of the former Fox chief's accusers, that's A.L. accusers with, quote, extreme skepticism due to his own personal experiences. Yeah, and look, news, I guess, can be a flirty business. A lot of businesses are flirty businesses. They tend to be high stress environments where people spend long hours

in a small environment with the same people. They have shared experiences of extremely intense natures. I used to be a waiter. They're very incestuous areas, restaurants. Everybody who waits tables can probably attest to that. And there are certain. areas in which some sort of romance is perfectly fine. If there's no power dynamic, and if it's clear that it's a consensual thing that's entered into in a sensitive and delicate fashion, and it's not simply someone creeping someone out, making them afraid to come to work, it's not a boss exercising weird sexual control over their employees, then of course businesses are going to continue to be a place where people can have relationships. And we do

have to have that conversation. It's also possible, hypothetically, that we focus now on this moment we have to actually do something about the habitual long-term powerful harassers, get some kind of action, and then we can find out if we can still hook up afterward. Maybe we should attend to the more important stuff first. Yeah, and look, is news a quote-quote flirty business? In my limited experience, yes. I don't mean here, but when the tales of local news that I would hear back in the day when I briefly worked in local news, and then the tales I would hear in cable news,

They're just secondhand. So, but yes, there are a lot of hookups. And at some point, will some, will one of these cases go too far? Probably, right? But what I mean by too far is someone will make a wrong charge. And then there'll be a huge overreaction to that too. And, and then the pendulum will keep on swinging. One final point.

I think I mentioned this in our production meeting this morning. But we very often, like you say, very often they make the case. that women could lie. And as you say, well, first of all, it has happened very rarely, not nearly as often as some people would like you to believe that they do. But it could happen. And they will often say, well, the fear is that then that will cause them to not, people to not trust women who are telling the truth, which is totally true.

But we never actually flip that, where nine times out of ten, these guys who are accused of this habitually, naturally deny that it happened. But then we find out that it did happen. aren't they hurting men who are innocence chances? Why are we never worried about the actions of lying men in this case? Well, that's a great point, too. That's right. So last couple of things here, apparently in a 2014 interview, Rivera lauded workplace

culture in the 70s and 80s and bemoaned contemporary workplace protections. I have a sense that this is not going to end well for Geraldo. Those madmen, man. They knew it was up. I don't think that lauding the culture in the 70s and 80s is the right way to go. He said, now if you look at an intern with cross-eyes, you go to jail. I mean, you get fired. It was almost like sex was free.

You have no HR, no human resources, no workplace rules against it back in the day. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Yeah, it's talking about. It is not a good thing that there was no rule of law or human resources to protect anyone back in the day. But for guys like Geraldo and a lot of the other guys, at Fox News. And now we find out in other places as well, they did think those were the good old days when they were in charge and there were no rules to protect anyone else. Now, this turned out to be obviously a bad idea. So Fox News then said Geraldo's tweets do not reflect the views

of Fox News or its management. We were troubled by his comments and are addressing them with him. In other words, oh, for God's sake, what are you doing, getting us back in trouble? That's a good statement for another foot out. Yeah. And then Geraldo finally came back around with a nice back battle here with reaction to my tweets today on sex harassment makes clear I didn't sufficiently explain that this is a horrendous problem, long hidden, harassers are deviants who deserve what is coming to them. Often victims are too frightened to come forward in a timely fashion. I humbly apologize. And please do not look into anything I might have done five years earlier. We don't know anything. Okay, no. Seriously, I don't know. I don't know

about that. And again, he's on the periphery of what he's saying, there's conversations that need to be had. Socially, within men as a community, these conversations do need to happen. I think that you're stressing them at a time that is not, in a

way and at a time that is not ideal. Yeah, to say the least. This has got bad ideas you can's written all over. It does. Okay, we're going to take a quick break here. When we come back, I'm going to do a quasi-defense of something terrible. that Trump said.

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