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Episode Date: January 9, 2021

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Just such an awesome smooth intro to the year. Very excited for what it bodes going forward. going forward. But anyway, very glad to be joined on this power panel by two individuals who I could not pick two better people to be discussing the events this week with. The first, joining me, I believe for the first time on The Young Turks, but she's been my co-host on the damage report multiple times. Viviana Vihil, host and producer, welcome to the show. Gordon for duty, sir. Great to have you here and comedian Alonzo Bowden, joining us once again. Alonzo, how you doing? I'm good, John. Hello, Villana. Nice to join.

join you guys. Yeah, so glad to have you both here. Thank you to everybody who's viewing wherever you're viewing from. Thank you for joining us. This is going to be a big one. We're talking about some weighty stuff. We're in just a couple days out from the insurrection in D.C. wondering what's going to happen going forward. So we're going to break down a bunch of different potential paths for that. We've also got a little bit more information about some of those who are being tracked down and arrested. We've got a little bit more information about Biden's cabinet. So a lot that we're going to be discussing. And during our social breaks, we'll be respond to your tweets and comments and super chats and things like that and member comments

as well. So feel free to send those in. That said, Viviana, Lonzo, are you ready to do this thing? Yes. Let's do it. Okay, let's do it. Let's talk about some news. Pretty much everybody agrees that something has to be done about Donald Trump. But what? What can they actually do in time? I mean, he's only going to be president for a little bit less than two weeks. So there are a few different theories, a few different potential paths forward. We're gonna break him down, starting with the one that's getting the most time and attention spent on it, which is impeachment. You know, virtually immediately after the events of Wednesday, multiple representatives and senators were pushing for it. We now know, according to Representative

of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, that Congress will be introducing articles of impeachment on Monday. She says yesterday our squad urged House leadership to move quickly to impeach this president. Unfortunately, our country does not have the luxury of time. Well, it apparently has the luxury of at least a little bit of time because although Representative Ocasio-Cortez as well as many others would have probably been perfectly happy to start moving on this Thursday or today, House leadership is not going to do that. And so we've got several days until this actually happens. know at the very least that the latest draft of the impeachment resolution includes just one

article of impeachment for incitement of insurrection. And the full draft is available out there if you do want to watch it. But so far, they're apparently going to be moving on this on Monday. What do you think about that? Well, I think it's obviously too late. I don't know if it's a good idea because it calls attention to the failed impeachment last year when it should have been done. You know, you're basically saying, look, we screwed it up, and we allowed him to stay. And a lot of Republicans are saying, I had no idea he was that bad, which I don't know what planet they've been on. But now do you call attention to the fact, like, oh, we're going to impeach him with well over a week to go. You know, we're badasses, right? So what is this?

So that the next election cycle, they can say they voted for impeachment or whatever. It's, it's theater. And it's ridiculous. Unfortunately, it works. People fall for this crap. I completely agree. I completely agree with Alonzo. It's a day late and a dollar short. It's largely symbolic. And sadly, it's just another example of the disgusting display of white privilege that we've seen this week. And frankly, the whole Trump administration, the whole four years that he's been in office where he's going to be guilty of something and not be held accountable for it. I understand that we should make a stand and say this is wrong. I know Bernie Sanders tweeted that this is something that's on precedent, but we don't have the time to do it. We barely

had the time to do it when we had the time. And now it's a daylight and a dollar short. It's going to amount to nothing. It's political theater. And like Alonzo said, completely right, it's, you know, it works. And a lot of people, a lot of rats are jumping ship right now. And this is a good time for them to get on the right bandwagon. Yeah, I think I might disagree in part with you. I certainly agree that some people, you know, like fleeing the administration the last couple of weeks are doing it to save themselves. So let me see if I can potentially sway with a couple of the arguments that have heard about why they should do this. Beyond just, God only knows what he could do in the next week and a half. But one argument is that in theory, there have effectively been no

permanent legal consequences for literally anything that Donald Trump has done sending. And by the way, many people are saying this sets the precedent that a president can get away with breaking the law. I've said for a long time, no, it continues the precedent that presidents can get away with breaking the law. Absolutely. They've always been able to do that, but they can still do that. So arguably impeaching and convicting him now would at least send a message to a future potential authoritarian leader, whether it's a cruiser or a holly or whoever, to say there could be consequences. The other argument being that in theory were he to be impeached and convicted, to the Constitution, if you're convicted as a result of impeachment, you can't hold future federal

office so that in theory stop Trump from running in the future. Those are two of the arguments I hear. What do you think about either or both of those? I like the idea that he can't. Go ahead, Alonzo. No, you go ahead. I just was saying, I like the idea that he wouldn't be able to run again. I know that he does have a lot of ambitions politically, whether it is an office or not. So I like the idea that we'd be able to block him out. But I just don't think it's going to be successful. Isn't inciting an insurrection a crime, like beyond impeachment? Like, wouldn't it be great if they said, you know, we wanted to impeach him, but we were busy arresting him. And I believe once you get that felony on your record, you're probably not going to get to run again.

No, this is too, this is too lightweight. I mean, this guy incited a riot where people were killed. And so we're going to fire you from your job. That's, that's the penalty. No, go, listen, you swing for the fences. You know what I mean? Like charge him with the worst crime you can because we know how this works with politicians, especially with outgoing presidents.

They're never held responsible or accountable for what they did, right? It always just goes away. So charge him with the most you can. Charge him with a crime. I believe if you start a riot and someone gets killed, you have broken the law. That's the way I ended. Now, mind you- But you forget the caveat, though, Alonso. That's only true if you're not rich and have political friends, that you can just grease

the wheel and get yourself off that court case real easy. So it just depends on who yells fire. No, I fully agree. There's a difference between being arrested and being convicted. No, you're not going to convict him for this. But just to arrest him for this, I think, would be, it would look better than this impeachment routine. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump ahead because we're talking about your potential legal consequences. That is one thing that at least is being talked about. I personally think

that, I mean, I'm gonna, this is a spoiler alert for all of these. I don't think they're gonna do any of them, honestly. Maybe they'll impeach him again, but I don't even think he'd get convicted if he was impeached. But supposedly the Justice Department said yesterday that it would not rule out pursuing charges against Trump for his possible role a day earlier and encouraging a mob of his supporters to march in the capital. So supposedly they are thinking about this. Conceivably it becomes easier once he's not president anymore, so they don't have to worry about the office of legal counsel memos from the 70s that supposedly protect the president from being charged with anything.

So that is a possibility. That seems like more of what you're both leaning towards. How likely do you think that is to happen? I think it's highly unlikely. I just don't think it's going to be successful. We don't have enough time as it is. We don't have enough backbone in the GOP. I mean, we're lacking a lot of main things here that we need to do to get this, hold this guy accountable. I mean, I don't even know if we had any time to try to convict him for attempting to steal the election himself with the call with the Georgia Secretary of State. I mean, we still haven't even processed that. Like, that just happened like three minutes ago. We're already on to. insurrection at the Capitol. I love that you brought that up, Viviana, because that's been true of his entire administration. The next scandal or the next crime happens so fast you forget the prior one. Now, John, as to what you're saying about the Department of Justice charging him, I happen to be in my office in my house, and I'm lucky to have two big windows here, and I've been looking outside. I haven't seen a pig

fly by. I haven't seen any pig fly so I'm going to go with no. I'm going to go with, no, you would love it. My hope is once he leaves New York, man, New York. That Southern District, they are going to go after him. I'm like, no, just let him out, let him out. Because then you can't stop them. And New York prosecutors love going after Trump. Even if they don't put him in jail and just take money from him, that's something. Because it hurts him. It's a loss. But as far as federal, you know, the new attorney general, Merrick Garland or whatever going after him, I seriously doubt it. Honestly, I think most of those protesters who stormed the Capitol are going to get away with it because we have an incredibly short memory. And in another month, there'll be something else and they're not going to charge them. They may get a few of them charged.

But, you know, under Trump's executive order, aren't they all supposed to get 10 years in prison for damaging a federal building? Yep, that's what they wanted. That is certainly possible. I mean, I would argue that by the 19th, when those same insane people are once again at the Capitol will probably have moved on from this. But yeah, look, I know in theory, once he leaves the presidency, he's going to be open to all of those potential other angles, including the Southern District. And I think, you know, they will certainly hound him. I think that they're hot to do it. But again, he is protected in the way that Viviana was pointing out.

He's an incredibly rich, well connected individuals. So like, I don't know what's going to happen. I would say that if it were up to me, if it was down to the Southern District gets him on his taxes or something, or he goes to jail for inciting a riot, I think it would be a much stronger signal to future presidents and elected officials to go with the latter, even though there are so many financial crimes, obviously. I mean, talk about moving on from things. Like when his, you know, some of his taxes were revealed, it made clear so much that he'd obviously. done. It was illegal. Nobody even talks about that. No one. Yeah. Now, in terms of- What's the latest news, John, on the DOJ? Because I had heard that they are not going

to charge any of the speakers at that, I don't know, rally, I guess we would call it before the riot. We've got updates on a few of those who have actually been charged already. In terms of the speakers, I haven't heard anything about that. But we do have some updates on those who have been arrested coming up a little bit later on the show. Really fast. Just really quick, I want to touch on what you said about him being a rich, white, well-connected guy. When it comes to those financial prosecutions, the other rich guys run away. They're like, no, no, we don't want you looking at our files.

You know, they do not, if you remember with Trump University and with the the fake charity foundation, none of those people involved spoke up because they're, they're all crooks, right? We know they're all not paying taxes. I mean, they pay some, but not on the level that average Americans do. So when you go after them for financial crimes, it's funny how you don't see their friends standing up. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. That's true.

And to jump back just a little bit earlier as the director, we sort of alluded to this, but one thing that in theory could contribute to either impeachment or to other consequences against him. This is amazing reporting. Republican senators say they feel a sense of growing regret over not standing up to President Trump sooner a day after the mob and all that. We should have done more to push back, both against his rhetoric and some of the things he did legislatively. The mistake we made is that we always thought he was going to get better. We thought that once he got the nomination, and then once he got a cabinet, he was going to get better. He was going to get more presidential. And I don't know exactly what happened after that, but if I can add lib a bit, and that is why, finally, at this late date, I am going to take the bold stand

of anonymously saying this to reporters, still anonymous. That person who's talking about regret is still anonymous. Clearly, you haven't reached the point yet. No, it wasn't enough to call Mexicans rapists. It wasn't enough to have a Muslim band. It wasn't enough to take infants from their mother's breast. It wasn't enough to all of his evil rhetoric. But this, now at the 15th hour, now I'm going to take a stand anonymously. Yeah, there's an old parable about a snake giving a mouse or something a ride across the river. And then when he gets to the other side, he eats him. And he's like, well, you knew I was a snake to begin with, right? It's something like I'm sure I'm butchering it. I'm doing I'm doing a George Bush on that story.

Remember that that was our problem that George Bush would mix up parables? Remember that was a big problem? The good old days. Viviana, you're young. You might not even remember this. I don't even know. But no, this is, I was there. It's the saying, this is like thoughts and prayers, right?

This is the saying, I didn't, this isn't who we are. I didn't know who we, this is the new, their new fallback. We thought he was going to get better. We didn't know he was bad. bad, yeah, sure you did. So yeah. I think that he'll sing the song about it. A buzzer took a monkey for a ride in the air.

Okay, I won't sing it. See, I'm pulled up for that song. The good thing about that parable is that it works no matter what animals you put into it, because they all eat each other at the end of the day. At the end of the day, snakes are snake. We'd all do respect to snakes because I have to say that I think snakes and because of Mitch McConnell,

turtles, they're innocent reptiles. reptiles that get lumped in with the worst of humanity. I felt sorry for turtles ever since I first saw McConnell, it's just not right. Finally, in terms of consequence, this is a more limited one, but I thought this was interesting. This was from earlier this morning. According to AP reporter Mike Balsamo, Pelosi tells Dems that top military official assured her steps are in place to prevent Trump nuclear launch. Although numerous democratic lawmakers have pushed for legislation that would limit the president's ability to launch a nuclear strike, including by requiring additional officials

to sign off on a launch and making the no first use of nuclear weapons and official U.S. policy. So she reassures us that he is not going to nuke. I don't know, some other country, our country, who knows? There's still about 10 or 11 days left. So maybe that's one less thing to worry about. I think this is dangerous. I think she really, she's not my favorite person. I'm not saying that I would have ripped her placard off of her office and beat down the door and done all that. But she tends to do a lot of political theater. And this is rabble rousing of the left. This is saying, look, it's so dangerous. And it's when we know and she knows that there are a lot of steps in place before you can turn those nukes. And there's still a lot of damage

that Trump can do that has nothing to do with nukes. So for her to take that step and claiming that it's to sort of appease everybody and calm everybody down. We need to have him put a lid on him for a lot of reasons. Even just his mouth on Twitter can get the country in trouble. I mean, he's caused a lot of problems globally, a lot of kerfuffles. And we can continue, we can we can expect to continue to see that in the next week or so. Yeah. Yeah, I think this is is another one that is too little too late. I think the day after his inauguration, somebody should have made the call and be like, we're not giving him the real nuclear codes, right? Yeah. Honestly, this is one of those cases where, you know, worst case scenario, you just hope

that that person who carries the football, right, who carries the codes is not a trumper. That's what's sad that now you actually have to think about that, like the two women who grab the the electoral votes and carried them out, you know, those are the people who save us, right? Not the elected people, but the people who work, who get the work done. So you just hope that whoever's carrying that nuclear football with the nuclear codes is like, well, no, I would never. Actually, we told him the code was 0101,01, and we just let him hit the number pad. We wouldn't. Yeah. The FBI, what I would do is, that's the code, one, two, three, four.

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and entertained all at the same time. Okay, well, look, those are some of the potential consequences for him other than, you know, the only one that he cares about, which was his temporary suspension on Twitter. That was the only thing that's going to change his behavior. Within like 12 hours of him, of that happening, he had put out a video saying he was going to transfer powers. So maybe we should have started using that tool earlier. Anyway, we are going to talk about some of the other individuals involved in this after a short break. So don't go anywhere. We'll be back in just a few. So, I'm going to be able to be.

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That's true, we'll see, we'll see. Let's see. Mattias says, I want him out. Murkowski becomes first Senate Republican to call for Trump to resign. So is Murkowski our hero now? I ask both of you. No, I think one of the best tweets I read this week about these resignations and calling out Trump, it's like, yeah, it's it's the rats resigning from the Titanic, you know, it's the rats saying this ship is unsafe. No, there's no Republican heroes in this. Yeah, it's an early checkout at worse, like that's all it is. Like you were about to leave anyway. Anyway, um, okay. It's like when you've been asked to leave. I'm leaving it. No, I'm quit. I mean, come on. These guys, it's too late for all this. Betsy DeVos especially, I can't even believe this woman had the nerve, the gall to act like she was appalled by his behavior. Over 350,000 people are dead. And now they're appalled? It took four people. Okay.

Yeah. In the super chats, Mark Bugg says, like the stream, let people know that there are progressive voices fighting for the people, dragging a count now. Thank you, Mark Bugs, for saying that. Timothy Spencer says, TMZ just broke a story where Kyle Rittenhouse was at a bar wearing a shirt saying free as F. Yep, yep, and his family is taking them to a bar. It's fun, you know, hanging out with your son after he murdered some people. Anyway, over on Twitch, thank you to Shadow Wolf for resubscribing for the second month. Dragon Squad First Class gifted a sub, Columbia Rican gifted a sub and A.J. Duenas gifted five subs. Thank you to all of you over on Twitch for doing that. Much appreciated. Hillbilly Farmer said about the week, what a week. I've cried tears of joy, tears of sorrow, tears of fear and laughed so hard I cried, some within two seconds of another. So glad to have a place to be with all my fellow

TYT crew here. Thank you. Thank you Hillbilly Farmer. I appreciate that. And by the way, a lot of people were shouting out for Bart to do David Bowie. Oh, it was a David Bowie inspired pre-show. And so a lot of people are really appreciative that considering it's David Bowie's birthday. So thank you, Bart, for that. With that said, we are going to break for just a minute, but come back after that for more news in just a few. Thank you. Welcome back everyone to the Friday power panel here on the Young Turks with Viviana and Lonzo Bowden. Thank you for joining us once again. We got a break down a few of the other people involved in the events of Wednesday, not just Donald

Trump, he was enabled by a number of powerful people. Let's turn to those now. Some of the Republican senators who were not only most on board with Donald Trump whipping his base into a frenzy about fake allegations of voter fraud before Wednesday, but those quickest to jump back on the Senate floor after the mob was cleared out to go back to doing what that mob wanted them to do are Senator Cruz and Senator Holly. And they are now facing calls from multiple elected Democrats for them to resign, including Representative Alexander Acosta Cortez, who tweeted, Senator Cruz, you must accept responsibility for how your craven self-serving actions contributed to the deaths of four people yesterday and how you

fundraised off this riot. Both you and Senator Hawley must resign. If you do not, the Senate should move for your expulsion. And new Representative Cory Bush said, Josh Hawley said he was doing this for the people of Missouri. Let me tell you something, Josh, you are supposed to represent St. Louis too, but you do not speak for us. You have blood on your hands, and that's why I'm calling for your removal from Congress. Now, it's mainly so far been representatives. There are a few others, including a few senators, and we'll turn to more of their comments in a second. But what do you think about the effort to try to put a little bit of the attention on some of the Republicans who not only were spreading the same man,

those pictures of Josh Hawley or something, that's a guy with a face. Anyway, but that we're clearly doing and engaging in all of this so that in 2024 they could run and get these same people to support them. I think he's one, he and Cruz are the crux of this attempted coup. they are the coup. What happened inside the GOP is the most dangerous threat to this country. And within the right as well, I mean, they really are dissolving this party that at a time where I've never been a fan of the Republican Party, there were these fiscal conservative Republicans that we didn't agree eye to eye, but they weren't off the deep end like it's been. Holly and Cruz, they need to get out of here. I think this is totally appropriate.

I always support AOC in her endeavors, and this is not an exception. I think she's right on the money on this one. What we need is there has to be a Republican other than Mitt Romney to call these guys out. The problem with AOC doing it is AOC doing that for their followers, for Holly's followers, that's the greatest endorsement he can get is that AOC is mad at him, you know? It has to be done by, and like Viviana was talking about, and I have friends, and I call them the responsible Republicans, the adult Republican. Republicans who are, you know, fiscal and whatever, the old Republican Party, it's going to take some of them to call out Cruz, to call out Holly. Any Democrat doing it is an endorsement to their mob. Here's why I think it doesn't matter, though, Alonso, because they didn't win. They didn't get anything done. They were in a ruby red state. They could I couldn't flip it. That was with Trump's help. That was with people like Holly backing them.

They went over there. They marched to the Capitol. They did nothing. They acted like a bunch of idiots, took some TikToks. They did nothing. So it doesn't really matter if you pander to their fans at this point, because they have no power. I mean, that's been proven by this week. I've seen them try to exert themselves and their white supremacy. So I think even though you're right, it's not like this is gonna change anybody who's on the right, AOC coming forward. And we do need support from the GOP to start calling. out this insurrection. I just don't think that we need to sway those people. These Q&on supporters are mentally ill. That poor woman who was shot in the chest, she wasn't right in the head. Well, you're nicer to me saying that poor woman, I can't, you know, I can't. I feel bad for people with mental illness. What I'm saying is to get them exposed from the Senate. I'm not talking to actually do something, it's going to take Republicans to call them out. I fully agree with what you're saying as far as trying to convert them or whatever. No, and AOC, God bless her for saying it. It's amazing, she's the only one brave enough to say it out loud. And then three

years from now, someone will anonymously say, you know, I agreed with her. Shut up. You know, so that's how, but somebody has to say it out loud first, though, Alonso, right? Right. Five years ago, you couldn't even be talking about white supremacy. You couldn't even be talking about, you know, the things that we're talking about today. So you have to have those people with the bullhorn that people say, oh, she's always talking, she's always doing this, let her keep screaming out there because eventually people are going to come and back her up because there's so many cowards out there.

The GOP is filled with cowards. It's disgusting. Trump is the lead coward. Well, and remember how people treated Rashida to Lillian. when she was like the first calling for Trump to be impeached. Now like over 100 Dems are lining up to get on board with Ilhan Omar and her effort to do it. Yeah, so far I don't see a lot of Republicans who are, you know, like you can have Lisa Murkowski's like Trump's the worst, I guess, but she's not calling for her Republican colleagues in the Senate to step down.

You do have people like in Holly's case, I forget the individual, but one of his supposed mentors who was a huge donor to him and pushed for him to get elected to the Senate is is calling for the Senate to censure him. So again, that's not the same as an elected representative. That would be obviously much better. I do want to give credit to a few other, at least Democrats who are doing it. So let's play some tape here of Senator Coons talking about this. Do you support calls for their resignation, senators criminal? I'm sorry? Yes, I think they should resign. So that was quick, he didn't have much to say about it necessarily. But Joaquin Castro also tweeted that

Senators Ted Cruz and Hawley should immediately resign. Is it going to amount to much potentially, perhaps not? What I think it is useful for, at least in the short term, is that I think a lot of people, whether they admitted or not, are thinking, let's just get to January 20th, let's just get there and then this will be done. We'll be able to move past all this, as if all of those, you know, those people who've been activated in support of Trump and that believe Q and on and all of that are all just going to go away. Like, they may not have Trump anymore, or in fact, they might, and Trump might come

back in a few years, or they might have someone else. Ted Cruz and Holly, whether they will actually end up being successful in getting all these Q&N people to support them and anything is an open question. I personally think that both of them are uncharismatic dofuses and they won't be able to replicate what Trump has done. But that's what they're trying to do. And so getting people to understand the threat that they pose early on, like if you're going to stop a threat, you have to at least acknowledge it as the first step. And I think that this is part of that. I think, I think Holly is going to end up going the way of Santorum where people like, oh wow, no, he is crazy. Oh yeah, he, yeah, we got to get rid of, you know, because that's what happened with

Santorum, right? He just pointed and then people finally were like, oh wait, no, he's crazy. Okay, we're done with him. Cruz, I think is more dangerous because Cruz has been an operative all his life. He knows his way around and he will, you know, stick around. His hope, obviously, is to run in 2024 with the backing of all this crazy. And I don't know how that's going to play out. But Holly, I think Holly's gone too far and that he's going to, you know, end up with a job on Fox News or CNN. What does that have? One or something. I don't know. Yeah, Fox News is going to have a lot of fresh blood. We got Hope Hicks coming in, Caitlin, Caitlin McEleney, whatever her name is going to go back. We got a lot of, you know, I think we need to let capitalism be their demise. It's already happening with Holly. He's losing his book deal. He's losing support. He's definitely going to look like a kook. He already looked like a crazy person, giving them the whole, you know, fist pump to this crazed, hopped up rabble-rous crowd. These guys are the danger. These are the politics. that are the swamp, we need to get them out. And I do think people are going to start

thinking they're crazy. My prediction is they won't even make it on the primary ticket. I hope so. Yeah, my fear is that, you know, like for the past four years we've been saying, like, what if Trump wasn't a complete dummy? And I don't, I don't think that either of them have what it takes to get this crazy crowd to follow them. I think that this crazy crowd wants something more honestly crazy. Like I think Holly's crazy and Ted Cruz is crazy, but they're mostly they're playing this sort of crazy for the crowd. They're insane about their politics, but they're pretending to believe the voter fraud stuff. And I think it's obvious that they're pretending. Like the crowd still likes it because they want somebody standing up for them in Congress.

But I think there will be a Marjorie Taylor Green or someone else who you look into their eyes and you know that you're staring into the void, someone who's legitimately the craziest person in the room and I think that person will probably beat them. But if they get in, they're not going to spend their days literally watching 12 hours of Fox News and ordering McDonald's. Like they'll actually be doing dangerous, damaging things at a far faster pace than Trump was capable of or interested in doing. Trump in his last couple of weeks of being president isn't really doing anything. They would be using this time. They do all sorts of terrible stuff. So I don't know that they're going to have the chance to. But if they do get the chance,

I think they'll be incredibly dangerous. I think that's true of Cruz. I honestly think Holly really is crazy. I think he's over the edge. And if you look into his eyes, you see this radical wish for power, you know, whatever. Like he, I don't, I don't think he's going to last. Cruz, without a doubt, Cruz has already proven.

He has no backbone, no morals, no belief he will not flip on. But he's such a politician. He's such a politician. This is the problem with the people entrenched in the system. You can't get rid of them because they they're just too well connected. But Holly, no, I don't see him lasting. Hopefully, hopefully, I don't know. I've underestimated America's stupidity before. That's a scary part. I agree, I don't see him lasting, but you know, look at Trump. I mean, you know, I think he got a real leg up because he was a reality star. I think That's why America was able to sort of embrace him in the fold in the way that they did. So maybe Holly needs to jump on a bandwagon. Kim, Kim Kardashian's free. Maybe he can marry Kim.

They can get a reality show. And then maybe he'll get a leg up for the, for the next election in 2024. Lidiana, we prefer you not give them a game plan. She likes crazy. She likes crazy. She likes crazy. So, hey. She likes crazy brothers. That's true. Okay, you wanna talk about some crazy people? I got some more crazy people for you, although we might not that much oppose what they're doing here. Oh, by the way, heads up to the director. Do we have that second video? Can you give me, let's go directly to that one when I

throw it, okay? Thank you. Okay, Senator Lindsey Graham is doing the fun thing where you you sew and so and so and then you act surprised when you begin to reap. So he was trying to catch a plane and he was doing it at the same time that many supporters of Trump were in the airport, you know, they'd gone for their, their little weak trip to overthrow the U.S. government, and now they were flying back home. And this is the greeting they gave to Lindsay Graham. Born and raised south of a lot. I'm not going to touch him. You're a liar. I'm not going to speak. I am a lot of the street. It is today. Today is me. traitor. You're a traitor. You're a traitor. Let'sie Graham, you are a traitor to the country. You know it was rigged. You know it was rigged. You know it was linked to you. You're this human. It's going to be like this forever, for every and the rest of your life.

body more, mom. Hey, you get it. Sell your soul out. You son of them. Just general advice when you're surrounded by Karen's, pull your mask up over your nose, Lindsey Graham. What the hell's wrong with you? And two, there were more people guarding Lindsey Graham there than

Lindsey Graham there than the capital on Wednesday, by the way. Did anyone else notice that? You're right about the mask. And you know who he just met? He just met Karen. I heard Karen through that entire video. He's walking like, that's who Karen is. That's what they were talking about. Karen can't shut up, you know? Can you imagine how many Karen's are on those planes leaving DC, you read about how the airline union is trying to ban some of these Trump supporters from getting on planes. Can you imagine sharing a plane with these people? Oh, God. No, I mean, I can't imagine being on a plane at all right now, but especially with those people. You know, they're not wearing their masks. Yeah, that was- You know, this, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to

interrupt, but this is just like Fox News, right? When Fox News declared Arizona, they all turned on Fox News, like they, I think what it is you just need to give them a chant. I don't think they need to believe, as long as it's something they can chant, they're happy. It needs to have three syllable, lock them up or- Three. It comes in threes. They only can do the three-beak. Yeah. Yeah, that, I mean, look, Lindsey Graham, it's, look, obviously, I'm not going to spare a lot of my sympathy for Lindsey Graham, but like he worked all during the Trump years to To give Trump what he wanted. He apologized for Trump. He did that whole performance during the Kavanaugh hearings where it was so mad that people were being mad or being mean to Kavanaugh. And like he would forget all the things that he said about how Trump would be the destruction of their party and everything. He flipped immediately once Trump was a candidate and was loyal, loyal, loyal. And just because he didn't follow the conspiracy theories about the election, he now belongs. You heard the woman. He belongs in Gitmo. He's on the level of what those.

Those people think about Muslims basically at this point. And it's like I saw a tweet that was like, I'm shocked to find out that the monster has turned on its creator. Is there any precedent for this? Yes, this is what happens. You've been fundraise. It's all fun in games to fundraise off these people and feed them nonsense. What's that? That's Trump's tweet.

This is what happened. This is what happened. That's what's true. I mean, he took responsibility for it. Now we're seeing it. I still, I'm not sure. not sure why Lindsey Graham backed off on contesting the electoral college results. I don't know what the catalyst was, really, because none of it makes sense. He knew the results weren't

falsified. He knew there wasn't any stealing of the election. He alluded to as such when he said he was going to go ahead and back the results. So I don't I don't really understand what his game plan is here. Is he just Mr. Wishy Washy and he's going to, his water seeks its level and he's going to go where he needs to go at this point? Yeah, I mean, no backbone and no, again, no, they always talk about moral compass. They have no moral compass. He flip in a minute. He flipped to Trump. Now he's flipping away from Trump. I think somebody, you know, and again, this is where I talk about people like Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz being connected because they're in there so long. There's somebody with some money with a pack, with a backdoor deal or something that said, hey, Lindsay, stop. And he stopped.

You know, because these guys, remember, fundraising is what they do, right? And it's all, they're all bought and paid for. And they, he doesn't have an opinion strong enough. If you look at what he and Cruz said about Trump going into Trump's presidency, right? No one changes that much. You know what I mean? Without, not if you have any backbone, you can't change that much. I remember when Obama wore the tan suit, and I said one more time, one more.

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that's his biggest scandal. That was a big deal. You know, that was, that's the one we remember. And he sure looked good in that suit, too, if I remember. It looked nice. It was a spring day. It was great. You know, when you talk about fundraising, you talk about who's backing these people. We have people like Jenny Thomas, Clarence Thomas's wife, who help fund that rally, that Save America rally. So there is a lot of money coming in, and they're looking for those little patsies. They're looking for people like Cruz, people like Holly, people like Graham, who are going to go whichever way the check flows. So we're going to see. I just don't know how it makes me think like should we all run for office because of these slubs are doing it? Like what is happening up there? I don't mean to get off topic, but you bring up Ginny Thomas, Clarence Thomas's wife. Imagine being a black man and your wife is yelling against Black Lives Matter. And what's the dinner table like? Like, excuse me, I'm right here. Again, no backbone. They always talk about.

morality and they have no moral compass. There's no wrong with them. It's just which way is the wind blowing, which way is the money flowing? That's what I'm going to ride, you know. And they used to pride themselves on that. They used to pride themselves on being the moral compass of America. Where are the moral compass Republicans? Were they ever? Yeah, they were the moral compass insofar as telling people to, you know, not give rights to certain groups, don't be like this, don't want this, don't love this. That was how it was how they were the moral compass. They were telling people, if you are a straight, white, Christian, cis individual,

then you are good. And what you need to do is you need to attack anyone who deviates from any of those demographic variables. Anyway, really fast, I just want to mention this quickly, you know, lest anyone in the audience start to feel much sympathy for Lindsey Graham, they did sort of come for Lindsey Graham, but let's also bear in mind that they didn't come for Lindsey Graham the way they came for some other politicians because, and this is part of what is, I assume, going to be a developing story over the next week or so. We're going to find out more about what could have happened on Wednesday. Reuters news journalist Jim Borg said on Twitter, I heard at least three different rioters

at the Capitol say that they hope to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed. And they did, by the way, set up a gallows. They, when they destroyed all the media's equipment, they used the cables to form a noose. And they were bringing bombs and Molotov cocktails and guns and all sorts of things like that. They had been told, like people like Lynn Wood were saying Pence needs to be executed. Trump was saying he can save us if he doesn't, I don't like him so much anymore. And so it's possible that they were just joking about murdering the vice president.

It's also possible that that's what they came to do, some of them. So maybe we'll learn more in the future about that. It's upsetting. It's a level of anger. I don't know what would make these people happy. You know, because when you look at it, for the last four years, they've had the White House, they've had the Senate, they've taken over the Supreme Court, right? We now have a handmade, we got, I love beer and a handmade on the Supreme Court. So it's like, what do you want?

What what makes, so just because the vice president says, hey, I'm going to observe the Constitution, they're like, kill him. Like you're, they've been yelling Constitution the whole time. So, so these are people who are unhinged and just want to be angry. I don't know why you keep, when I say you, I mean, why anyone tries to appease this group or even talk to them like they're rational. Yeah, yeah. There's a disconnect. Go ahead, John. Yeah, I think the one answer is that these people were sort of implicitly promised the 50s. They were promised that America is going to be made great again. And most of them didn't mean that our trade ratio with China would be improved.

They thought, you know, we're going to go back to a time when people like me are respected the way we should be respected. And in this case, I'm talking about them, but literally people who look like me will be respected the way they're supposed to be. And, you know, they got all that political power, but we still live in a multicultural democracy, and they're not fans of that. So I think it's complicated. There's a lot of explanations that doesn't explain all of it, but I think that is part of it. Anyway, we do have to take a quick break though. When we come back, a little update on some of the arrests that have been made, as well as further cabinet picks for Joe Biden. So we'll be back in just a few minutes with that. I liked beer, still like beer.

I'm gonna be. M. M. M. M. I don't know. Welcome back, everyone. So a little bit of breaking news in the member comments section. Apparently after further review, Twitter is permanently banning Donald Trump, not just the 12 hours or Facebook's banning him until the inauguration.

No, he's permanently off of Twitter, at least on his real Donald Trump account. So if there's anything that could could set him off. I think that's it. Yeah, I mean, I guess he's got parlor, right? Or maybe he's, maybe he's gonna get big on TikTok. I don't know, but he lost his- He doesn't have a parlor account. He doesn't? No. How did, like they love you over there. What a middle finger to the parlor people. He doesn't like lower echelon things, John. He liked the top-notch stuff. That's true. He did have the greatest best Twitter account in the history of Twitter accounts, best as greatest hits. Now, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in censorship.

I don't really like that there's not, you know, I liked that there was a little, you know, a disclaimer on his tweets, but I say we let them tweet. I think we need to really hold people accountable for their words, but let them say them. So you can shout fire in a theater, but you're going to be held accountable. like backtracking, I mean, if you can before the legal representation to get out of it. But I mean, he keeps digging his own grave. I say we keep letting him do it. But it's a private organization. They have their own terms of service. They say they don't want them on there. That's right, I guess. Yeah. In their defense, they gave him the first four years of violations

free on those terms of service. And this is this is what he would do and his followers would do if a Muslim terrorist incited a riot, they'd be banned for life. If a black person through Black Lives Matter said something, they'd be banned for life. They like lifetime bans. And honestly, for Twitter, good for them, because what they're saying is, hey, this is the same as a terrorist, you know, organizing a cell. You can't be on our platform. So yeah, I got to back Twitter on this one and say, no, this isn't freedom of speech to do something like this. You're gone. Isn't it a little late for them to come out now, though?

Only for everybody. Only four years, only five years. Only four years. Only half a decade. Let's say five, because it helped get him in. I want to touch really quickly on what we were talking about earlier about the disconnect with politics and the Trump supporters. This is how we got into this mess.

On the right and the left, there is very little support of the actual proletarian. the actual working class that includes those people that ran through the Capitol this week, they don't have anybody going to bat for them. They don't. The working class has nobody in their, in their, in their, on their team. Now they thought Trump was going to be that guy because they get really coming- We are going to have to break. We're going to have to return to the main show in just a second, but I'm sure we can we can weave it in. But anyway, thank you for everybody for joining us for the social break. We're going to be back with a full show in just a sec.

I'm going to be able to be. Welcome back, everyone to the Young Turks with me, John Adarola, Viviana, and Alonzo. We got a couple more stories to get to, including, oh my God, consequences for actions in this economy. Okay, we've got a few of them. I don't remember how to cover this, but we're going to push through. Here we go. Law enforcement officers trying to track down those who engage in the sort of activity you're seeing in that video right there, found their job made a little bit easier by the fact that virtually every single person in there wouldn't wear a mask and recorded themselves doing all of the law breaking, sometimes in real time filming and live streaming and

things like that while they were there. Other times leaving after having done it and then recording videos of themselves saying which crimes they just committed. So one individual, perhaps other than Viking Horn's goat man, the most iconic of the people who broke into the Capitol is this individual. So you see him right there, Richard Barnett. And we know his name because he filmed himself in the speaker's office with his face visible, and he was incredibly prolific on social media leading up to that event. He has now been arrested. He was apprehended in in Arkansas in charge with entering and remaining on restricted grounds, violent entry and theft of public property. Barnett bragged reporters about what he had done shortly after exiting

the Capitol. Apparently, materials were taken from Pelosi during the raid with potential national security implications. What if her laptops was stolen? They say it was only used for presentations. But in theory, both the things that were taken as well as the things that remain behind electronically need to be checked to make sure that they weren't manipulated. So he faces a maximum penalty of one year in prison. We have details on one other individual, which we'll get to in a second. There are about 13 individuals I think who have already facing charges. But so far it looks like other than those who are directly involved in the violence and the killing of several individuals, the killing of a police officer,

this is probably something like what the consequences they'll face once they're identified. One year? One year. Maximum of one year. So what? Nothing. I mean, it seems like a lot for me, but I'm not, you know, a terrorist. I don't know.

I guess. I would expect a lot more if you bust into the Capitol and steal and break things. I would imagine there'd be a lot more consequences than that. And I don't think he's going to even serve any time. Look at Kyle Rittenhouse. Also, where was Kyle Rittenhouse? Isn't he supposed to be out there protecting building? That's a good point. Good point. Yeah. I, you know, you look at that picture of this guy, and that just looks like more than one year in jail. Okay, and in going back to remember the book and the movie, A Time for a Kill or a, you remember at the very end when McConaughey gave the whole speech and then said, now imagine she was white. Just picture a black person sitting like that in Nancy Pelosi's office and tell me that that would be one year.

Tell me he'd be alive still. Picture a Muslim sitting in the capital, in the capital sitting like that in Nancy Pelosi's office and tell me that that looks like one year. That would be Gitmo. That would be you're a traitor. And to steal a computer, to steal a computer from From the Speaker of the House's office, you don't know what's on that computer, no one knows. No, this is ridiculous. One year, I could joke about this forever, but on a serious note, that doesn't look like one year. The city center here in Los Angeles, and during the uprising, they had vans, police sheriff department vans, six of them, rolling up LaBray Avenue, heading to where the uprising had started first in the Fairfax District.

They managed to round up all of those protesters who were in fact peaceful protesters for the most part. Sure, some of them were breaking windows with nobody inside, mind you. And they were all managed to, they managed to arrest those people. This man not only went in there, broke everything, he walked out, free as a bird, gave an interview to the press about all of the crimes he just committed, and then was able to go home. Sure, they went and found him two days later, after he brazenly blunted everything that he did. If he was a black man, Alonzo, he wouldn't have made it out of that building. He wouldn't have made it in the building either, but he certainly wouldn't have made it out. You know, that was a display of white privilege

and white supremacy and the entitlement that these people felt walking in there, that they have dominion over this land that they think they colonize themselves. They have dominion over those buildings and they have dominion over people of color. And they are wrong and we're not going to be dissuaded by these people. And he needs to be held accountable. And I hope the Biden administration is ready to go to bat because one year is not going to cut it for me. I will say this very quick. I have started a go fund me to get the Capitol police some rubber bullets because apparently they've run out of them.

So we're going to buy them some and maybe next time they'll be ready. Chokeholds are free and they usually use those all the time. So I don't know. So what was going on? So the thing about this individual is, at least as far as we can tell now, they're like he, you know, he broke in, he broke stuff, he stole stuff. He doesn't so far seem like one of the ones that was involved in the actual like the dozens of cops who were injured or the one who was killed. But there was reason to believe that in theory he could have ended up going even worse in here. We've got some quotes from him from past posts.

He said at one point, now we have a term that fits me and many others and they try to turn it bad. I am white, there is no denying that. I am a nationalist. I put my nation first, so that makes me a white nationalist. F&A, we are nationalist, you aren't, and get the F out of our nation. And he also said just in December, he came into this world kicking and screaming, covered in someone else's blood, and that he was not afraid to go out the same way. I like how he referred to his mother as someone else. Yeah, that's sort of weird. It's a little impersonal, sir.

And again, I'm not sure of how the law works, but if you break into Walmart and steal a laptop, don't you get more than one year? If you're black, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I mean, this is like, couldn't they just use the, you know, breaking and entering is a felony, right? Stealing like that is a felony. If they forget about the national security.

They're only charging them. They're only charging them with trespassing. Yeah. That's that's ridiculous. Basically, yeah. They didn't walk on a lawn. They weren't trespassing through a public space. They busted windows through the Capitol, walked in. Now we are going to find out in time to come that there were cops, the Capitol police. They were people who were in on this. Obviously, we've seen the footage of them just sitting there doing nothing, opening the barricades, taking selfies. They were aware that this was going to happen. That mob was prepped.

They were told that they were not going to be met with resistance. They were told that they were not going to be shot at when that woman was killed. They said, oh, it's just a flashbang. They were told that they were going to be allowed to do it. And they went ahead and did it. And we are going to find out who, in fact, was involved on the inside in every single coup, part of the police are part of it. Every single coup in history, we've known that there's these insiders that allow it to happen.

So we see this. Now, every tweet that that man made on Facebook, whatever anything, incendiary comment that he mentioned now should be held against him. They all should be held as tried as treasonists, I think. I mean, it's beyond breaking and entering. Well, yeah, this event really, I think, like if you're if you're watching this, especially if you're outside of this country and you don't get how our politics works, which I understand because none of it really makes any sense. The relationship between the right and law enforcement is like the perfect example of how it works. Like you have multiple instances of evidence of the

the cop siding with these, like with the people trying to literally break down the doors and get in there and all of that. And then they get in there and they bash in the head of a cop and kill him. Like they align themselves with these movements and these movements are always the ones that end up killing them. The sovereign citizens who ambush them, the boogaloo boys who shot them during the protest this summer, like they will always prefer these people and these people will in the end return their favor with blood. That's just the way it goes. And I don't, I don't understand it. You had some cops standing aside letting them in. You had others literally being killed. Anyway, I did want to mention one other individual who is going to be facing some

charges. Lonnie Kaufman of Alabama drove his pickup truck carrying nearly a dozen Molotov cocktails, two handguns, and an M4 assault rifle, just a short distance from where a crowd out of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol. First assistant U.S. Attorney Ken Cole said some of the Molotov cocktails retrieved by law enforcement officials contained gasoline and styrofoam, making them homemade napalm. But it was just a goof. It was just like they got out of control a little bit. I mean, sure, some people brought pipe bombs and some people brought napalm, but it's just a goof, everybody move on, or at least Tucker Carlson would have- Boys will be boys, right? White boys will be boys. They're the only ones.

I was the only boys, exactly. I don't want to ever hear anybody saying anything about looting targets ever again in my life. Okay, you go in there and you steal a couple, I don't even know what people were taking out of target. Toilet paper, I guess that's the hot commodity these days. And then they're just looking, turning a blind eye to breaking into the Capitol, stealing podiums. I mean, it's like a lampoon vacation movie. Right, well, if you, you know, like you said, John, if you look like you and do it, you're a You're a patriot. And if you look like me and you do it, you're a thug.

It's really that simple. And like you said, Viviana, the cops are in on, like, how are they not going after the cops that were taking selfies? Do you not need more proof? You have a selfie. One of the beautiful things about their stupidity is they post their crimes. Like one of the first things you learn in crime school is don't tell anybody. Not take a picture of it and put it out there. You, you didn't go to crime school. Yeah. They're terribly flunked out. Terrible. They're an embarrassment to criminals. They really are. There are criminals shaking their head today saying, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. What's going to happen to them when they do go do some time when they're with other criminals? What are they going to be

treated like inside? That's the real question. Well, unfortunately, we don't have any time for any more questions. That's all the time we have at the first hour. But thank you to both of you for joining me and then walking through this is pretty tough hour of news. Where can people see more of your work? Well, you can catch me on my show that I've been producing contextualized this. We have a new episode coming up next week with Professor Thayez. He's going to be talking about the construct of whiteness, as well as a very special episode with my father who's been doing some research.

He's a cultural anthropologist that's been doing research and education in the last 50 years in East L.A. He's been studying Roosevelt and Garfield High School, very prominent high schools in East LA and the evolution of education. So follow me on Twitter, Viviana Vihil. Just Vivianna Vihil. And you can check it out on Periscope as well as YouTube and Facebook. Awesome. Alonzoboden.com is the website. You can get to everything I do from there. And Zoh funny on Instagram. All my stuff is Alonzo Bowden except Instagram, Z-O-F funny. B-O-D-D-E-N, by the way. So thank you. And good night. I don't know. Are we saying goodbye, John?

It's kind of late. Yeah, we're going to say goodbye. Everyone check out- Alonzo, you're hilarious. Thank you so much. Thank you, Viviana. You are a brilliant woman. It's nice to meet you here and we'll cross paths again. Absolutely. Awesome. Awesome, thank you. Everybody for watching the first hour. We're going to take a short break. We come back. Anna's going to be on another awesome hour of news, so don't go anywhere. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. Support our work, listen to ad-free, access members-only bonus content, and more by subscribing to Apple Podcasts at apple.com slash t-y-t.

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