The Young Turks - Thinly Veiled Theats - September 25, 2025

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Sometimes we laugh through the darkness. So lots of fascinating stories today. What was the real reason for the ice shooter in Dallas? Do we even know? Well, we're going to try to find out. We're going to get beyond some of the headlines here. One of the most concerning things in the show today is Donald Trump's attempt to go after the radical left as you know we're worried about domestic calling them domestic

terrorists etc we're talking about that in the context of Christine Nome and Donald Trump himself because he says something crazy today and then was there sabotage at the UN against poor Donnie Trump so we're gonna explore all that as always we do a fun show all right by the way as we get started boom JLo already part of the team look she's from the she's jail from the block no it's not low it's j l bro you nailed it jank you really did especially by referencing something that i i would venture to say the entirety of our production team doesn't get because the reference is so old that's that old jenny from the

block and i even got wrong i said you know what jennie from the block is okay she knows you see that american people know she doesn't she doesn't know she doesn't know she doesn't you don't speak for her Bart just because you know you're the audio guy doesn't be it to speak for everyone all right anyways guys JL thank you for joining through that beautiful join button Casper what's the news all right well we begin with some updates on the tragic shooting that took place at that ice facility in Dallas Texas yesterday if you are under the impression that we have a little more clarity in regard to the motivations of the shooter I don't think we do so let's get into what we've learned since yesterday

This morning, growing questions and fallout from the deadly shooting at an ICE field office in Dallas. Multiple senior law enforcement officials identifying the suspect as 29-year-old Joshua John. His brother told NBC News John didn't have strong feelings about ICE and wasn't interested in politics on either side as far as he knew. And that he was not a marksman, that's for sure. We're learning some new details about Joshua Khan and the act that he carried out yesterday in a ice facility in Dallas, Texas. Now, his act of violence tragically killed one person and wounded two others. Han later took his own life. However, there's been much to be made about what the political ideology of this individual is, what motivated him to carry out this act of violence.

and essentially indiscriminately shoot at a transport vehicle near the facility. So here's what we know as the story has developed today. Leaders in the Trump administration, including Donald Trump himself, are once again using this horrific instance of violence as an excuse to issue threats against the left as a whole, which I think is insane, especially as someone who's certainly somewhere on the left. But when you think about how fractured and how much disagreement there is on the left, what does this even mean? But nonetheless, their reaction, meaning the Trump administration's reaction,

was based on the fact that the words anti-ice were scribbled onto one of the shell casings recovered from the scene. And that's according to the FBI. Now, there's so much distrust in our institutions that some are even questioning whether the shooter himself had written anti-ice on the casings. We have no reason to believe otherwise. until something else develops, I'm going to go ahead and just share that photo with you, tell you what the FBI is saying. But today, Nancy Larson, the acting U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Texas, revealed more about what law enforcement happened to find at the shooter's residence while executing a search warrant. So take a look at that.

First, I want to point out that one of these notes or papers, the sniper explicitly states, Yes, it was just me. These loose notes included a game plan of the attack and target areas at the facility. He called the ICE employees people showing up to collect a dirty paycheck. He wrote that he intended to maximize lethality against ICE personnel and to maximize property damage at the facility. He hoped to minimize any collateral damage or injury to the detainees and any other innocent people.

He also hoped his actions would give ICE agents real terror of being gunned down. And he did this to induce constant stress in their lives. He hoped his actions would terrorize ICE employees and interfere with their work, which he called human trafficking. So this is what the authorities claim they have found, and clearly, based on these pieces of evidence that were just detailed in the video you watched, this guy clearly despised ICE. However, there is contradicting reporting. There's other evidence that paints a much more complicated picture of who Joshua Hahn was, so it suggests that he could probably be best described as a chronically online nihilist who did not exhibit the kind of of leftist extremism, many are suggesting.

For example, NBC News spoke to his brother, Noah Hahn, who didn't believe that Joshua had any strong political leanings whatsoever. Independent journalist, Ken Clippenstein, also a friend of the show, spoke to three people who knew him, at least in middle school, since at least middle school, I should say. And according to Ken, they said that when it came to Han's politics,

he was vaguely libertarian, and seem to hate both major parties and politicians in general. And that includes Donald Trump. But they also noted that he didn't really engage in much politics beyond that. He preferred edgy humor, video games, and the message board for Chan, all of which he became increasingly steeped in as he withdrew from social life as well as their own friendships several years ago, they said. So he withdrew from their friendships several years ago.

That's what his friends since middle school are telling Ken Clippenstein. And what's absolutely clear is that he had an extensive online profile, so that should be helpful in this investigation. He has at least two Reddit accounts where he talked about video games, cars, South Park, and marijuana. And his profile on the gaming platform, Steam,

showed that he spent thousands of hours playing video games. I'm not mentioning that to indicate or imply that I think video games made him violent, so I want to be clear about that. But what about the message? on the casings. Well, none of his former friends believed that the anti-ice inscription could possibly be sincere, feeling such a serious political statement was anathema to who Han was. His humor was deeply ironic, often offensive, and aggressive to the point of alienation.

For example, one of his friends showed Ken a Facebook post describing how Han had flooded his friend's comment section with rape jokes, quote, playful, shock, and humor, end quote, friend said. Jenk. Yeah. So there's definitely one troubling trend in the country and maybe two. So the one that's clear is these shootings. What the hell's going on?

So why are people all of a sudden on every rooftop? And look, for a long time, it was the right wing that did the overwhelming majority of the the crime, political crime, not crime overall, right? So political violence, et cetera. Now, you can catch feelings over that, but they're stats. They're indisputable. You can continue to dispute them, but there's no question. But now, all of a sudden, you know, the Trump assassination attempts, you know,

this ice shooting, Charlie Kirk, now we've got political violence everywhere, right? These set of folks then lose the moral high ground for everyone on the left. And I don't think that's fair. But then the right wing gets to say, hey, that idiot that smashed in Paul Pelosi's said he doesn't lose us the moral high ground either because I didn't tell him to do that we didn't vote for that right and maybe we can begin to realize oh like crazy people on both sides do violence because now because they're on the right or the left but because they're crazy 100% right and that literally 99.999% about the right

and the left never do violence okay so but when the folks do do violence it is haunting and it is terrorizing and so obviously I understand why people are very worried about it and I don't see people encouraging violence on the left but I might be missing it I might be there there might be other people do it certainly as you guys all know Tucker Carlson was very nice the other day when I was on a show acknowledged young Turks as a history of you know 20 straight years of advocating non-violence so we're super duper clear on it it's counterproductive it's immoral etc now the second thing is the loss of faith in institutions

right yes that's the bigger issue here not only for our purposes and wanting to convey accurate information to our audience and i feel like that's becoming more and more challenging but the lack of faith in our cons in our institutions is also part of a broader issue i'm seeing with the nihilism among young people and the feeling that they have nothing to live for nothing to look forward to do you get what i'm saying oh i totally do and so when we talk about the male loneliness crisis i get a little bit frustrated at people who down play that on the left because they think it's just a way of coddling or babying young white men, young straight men. No, it's not about that. Okay, there are people who are really struggling.

And when you, you know, spiral like that, that could lead to a dangerous outcome. And people should be cared about in this country, regardless of what their demographic is. But anyway, go ahead, Jake. Yeah. So, look, I say I'm not sure about that one because we don't know if that has anything new with the shooting, but there are two trends here that seem to be related to this story. One is what Anna is mentioning, which is if he's socially isolated and lonely and going to 4chan and becoming nihilist, yeah, that's what a lot of people, they can't stand the Republican Party, can't stand the Democratic Party, need the party ever delivers for them, and people are beginning to lose hope, right? And so, and the reason for that is

obvious. We've talked about it a million times on this show, but mainstream media has talked about approximately zero times, which is money in politics. And you say, wait, what does that have to do with a shooting? Well, both sides are deeply corrupt. 95% of our politicians are utterly corrupt, so they never give you what they want. They both are in secret cooperation to give the donors exactly what they want. They loot the country. They loot the country to the detriment of the American people.

Yeah. And so I actually understand, even though I have not given into it, I personally understand that, I guess that urge or that temptation to become nihilistic yeah and so and when nihilism towards service violence watch out and that's crazy talk and of course we shouldn't go in that direction but at the same time our politicians shouldn't be such crooks I know they're going to continue to be but so we have to change the rules we have to change the get an amendment to end that wolf pack check that out fight corruption dot us but but guys that's a long process we should all get on that road but I think what's driving people extra crazy is the

gaslighting of mainstream media where they're like what do you mean the politicians aren't corrupt they don't represent a foreign government no way they don't represent the oil companies and the defense contractors no way they're having a debate what's the debate on the government shutdown right now there's no debate guys all there is is cashing checks so and every time the media lies to you people get more nihilistic and angrier and angrier. Okay, so now the last part of it. And by the way, that doesn't mean that you should shut down mainstream media or left-wing media or right-wing media. Okay, none of us are responsible

for lunatics in this country. It's a country of 330 million people. Now, the last part of the loss of faith in institutions, Anna, is anti-ice. I've lost faith in institutions. What is anti-ice? I don't know what, I don't know. Now, I get it that the guy's crazy because he's doing a rando shooting and shooting the people he didn't want to shoot, which is always almost. almost always what happens when you well we don't even know if he was shooting the people he didn't want to shoot it see let me give you a few more details about what his friends said okay yeah hold on before that let me just finish this thought anti ice is a super weird message to put on like if I don't like

Doge I wouldn't write anti-Doge I'd write like Doge sucks or something right so okay and then what is with the writing the messages on the bullets that's a thing that people do apparently now I guess maybe and then and then leaves a note like yes it was just me okay maybe maybe but did like Tyler Robinson with it was definitely me I would have gone back to get the rifle but I didn't get a chance it was me me me trust me okay all right weird weird but I guess and so my point isn't that that story isn't true my point is that I don't know anymore one because none of our our government never ever reference

represents us so I don't know what they're lying about they're lying 24-7 and now under Trump when he's like oh I didn't like the jobs report I'm firing the guy who gives me the jobs report that's one of dozens of examples so how can you trust anything this government says I don't I don't trust anything the government says and that by the way includes political figures and leaders from both sides of the political aisle but obviously things have been degraded even further in in recent months especially in regard to how cash Patel has been carrying out his job as FBI director.

But putting that aside for a second, you know, let's talk a little bit about why people would turn away from politics altogether, not really have any political leanings, and give into the temptation of nihilism. You're a young man in America. What is your place in the world? What do you have to look forward to? What can you work toward? And I'm not saying this as a disempowering message.

It's just a reality now in the United States, where the traditional, you know, you know, you know, benchmarks that you can look forward to in your life are a lot more difficult, if not impossible, to attain. And that is leading to what I believe is a huge, like, identity crisis or values crisis when it comes to young men and young people, period, there is no path anymore. There's no, oh, I go to college, I get a good education, I get a great job, I work my way up, I save for retirement, I buy a house, I get married, I have kids. Now, if you go to college, you take out a ton of debt, you get out of college with a ton of

debt. AI is probably going to make whatever education you got irrelevant as coders are now starting to realize. Buying a home is nearly impossible. So these are real problems that have not been adequately addressed by our government. There's no question about that. On top of that, there is every incentive, Jenk, to not go out in the real world and form bonds with real people. People are atomized. They are alienated. They're sitting, they're sitting

in front of a computer, constantly being bombarded with all sorts of content. Some of it is questionable, obviously, content. Some of it isn't. But algorithms make people more and more extreme in whatever it is that they're stuck in. Whatever bubble they're stuck in, well, that algorithm just tends to get more and more extreme. And you become more and more alienated with like at least half the country if you're consuming political content. There's no question about that. So like, there's so many things happening at the same time. Failure of a government, no one trusts our institutions, people are atomized, people are

becoming nihilistic because there's nothing to look forward to in their lives. And instead of focusing on how we can solve these issues, everyone's obsessed with, is it a D or is it an R? Is it a leftist or is it a right-wing extremist? Democrats versus Republicans, and I'm just done with the political hackery. I want real solutions, and I want people to stop exploiting these traumatic tragedies in this country for their own political purposes and aspirations. That's what the Trump administration is doing right now.

I've seen Democratic figures do the same thing as well. We need leaders who actually give a damn about making this country better. Yeah, a couple of quick points here. I agree with what Anna is saying, and guys, this is not a left or a right issue. Is every shooter, mass shooter, political shooter, et cetera, on the country left or right? No, by definition, there's the right-wingers who shot up the church in Charleston and the El Paso, Texas, and the synagogues, et cetera, et cetera. So the issue isn't whether you're on the left or right, the issue is whether you're doing political

violence. Violence is the issue. so that's what we need to focus on but nobody and on also all this mass surveillance right all warrantless wiretapping etc and they can listen in on all our phones and it's way worse than you realize on the phones okay and then did they ever catch anyone no they don't catch them anyway so the surveillance isn't necessarily to catch people it's to surveil us the American citizens yeah exactly so our government is 100% dysfunctional and our media is 100% dysfunction

So that's why we're in the mess that we're in now. A former friend of Joshua Khan, I'm sorry, Han, not Khan, told Ken Clippenstein, Josh was an edge lord who wanted someone to get blamed. I think he tried his best to write something goofy, meaning on the shell casing, to rile people up. And according to another friend who had known Han since age eight, he was never really into politics, especially not politicians. he was into politics only in the four chance sense, contrarian, provocative, boundary pushing for laughs, not conviction. So one other thing that I'll just say a note of caution, if you will, oftentimes when a criminal carries out some sort of terrible criminal act and it gets nationwide attention, you will inevitably hear interviews of people who were close to that person, maybe even family members, and they always say all sorts of things about how that individual was actually not violent at all, was actually a really great person and did really well in school. So, you know, you kind of have to take what the friends are saying with a little bit of a grain of salt, right? Because you usually hear all sorts of narratives that seem to contradict what the suspect did in their act of violence.

But I do think it's important that Ken Klippenstein went out and actually spoke to people who knew this guy, so we can get a little more clarity on what the motivations might have been. So we'll stay on this story and give you more details as it develops. but it is another example of a strange story where we don't really have all the answers. All right. A lot of those are piling up. They are.

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The radical left is causing the problem. The radical left is causing this problem. Not the right, the radical left. And it's going to get worse. And ultimately, it's going to go back on them. I mean, bad things happen when they play these games. Well, there you have the president of the United States, Donald Trump, issuing a thinly veiled threat of counterviolence against what he refers to as the radical left.

Now, his comments in the Oval Office this morning come in the wake of a deadly shooting that took place at an ice facility in Dallas, Texas, in which one detainee was, was killed and two others were wounded. Now, a reporter asked the president who was to blame for the shooting. And I'm glad that the president of all people was the one to answer this because he's always been so honest and factual, especially at times of tragedy. So let's hear what his response was. The radical left is causing the problem.

They're out of control. They're saying things. And they're really dumb people. I mean, I look at Crockett. I look at some of these people there. They're very low IQ people, actually. And I'll give you a little clue. The right is a lot tougher than the left.

But the right's not doing this. They're not doing it. And they better not get them energized because it won't be good for the left. And I don't want to see that happen either. I'm the president of all the people. But the radical left is causing this. Radical left Democrats are causing this problem. And it gets worse.

It gets worse. And it'll be a point where, other people won't take it anymore and that will not be good for the radical left and we don't want that although it does sound like the president is egging that type of counterviolence on which would be disastrous and as far as the right being tougher than the left I get where he's coming from although there is some irony to the president making that statement considering the fact that he's now demanding a full on investigation at the UN because an escalator stopped as he and his wife or the first lady were about to get on the escalator.

Anyway, but moving on, Trump isn't the only member of his administration ratcheting up the inflammatory rhetoric. So immediately after the shooting yesterday, J.D. Vance, the vice president also accused Democrats of inciting violence by simply criticizing ICE, meaning by simply practicing what the constitution of the United States affords the American people. They are allowed to criticize the federal government politicians or any anything they'd like, for that matter, but J.D. Vance appears to have a problem with that.

Take a look. The very people who keep us safe ought to be honored and protected and praised by Democrats and Republicans alike. It is time to stop the rhetorical assault on law enforcement. Because here's what happens when Democrats, like Gavin Newsom did, say that these people are part of an authoritarian government. When the left-wing media lies about what they're doing, when they lie about who they're arresting, when they lie about the actual job of law enforcement, what they're doing is encouraging crazy people to go and commit violence. If your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell

and you have no place in the political conversation of the United States of America. Let me be 1,000% clear here. If someone says ICE is planning to carry out a. raid at the Home Depot parking lot in Northridge, California, and we're going to go there heavily armed and ready to shoot them, that is inciting violence. And that should be met with an immediate investigation, people getting arrested. You get the point. That is not protected by the First Amendment. Saying that a government official or a government agency is authoritarian is protected speech, especially if the government agency or the administration is engaging in authoritarian

acts. I'll give you an example. So when you have members from the Department of Homeland Security going after students who have student visas, PhD students, if you will, who just happened to co-write a piece in their student paper that's critical of Israel's conduct in the Middle least. When DHS snatches that person up in broad daylight in plain clothes because they didn't like her opinion, that's authoritarian. But I'm not inciting violence by saying that. And you know, J.D. Vance Jank is not a stupid person. Jady Vance is a smart man. You might not like him, but you have to admit. Educated man, smart man. He knows the difference. So the real question here is why he is exploiting a tragic event in this country to try to roll

back constitutional rights that are afforded to every single american in this country that's what we should act be asking ourselves go ahead jing yeah so he says there's a rhetorical assault on uh... law enforcement uh... so i can't stand the hypocrisy on both sides so in this case uh... yeah there was a bit of a physical assault on law enforcement on january six so i look guys it's not to say okay that means the right wing is more guilty it's just to say

you kidding me like when it's convenient in both sides attack law enforcement and then go all the other side's doing it if you say they didn't attack law enforcement on january six you're literally blind and i feel and you can't hear you can't see anything you do not see the videos it's absurd to say they didn't attack law enforcement

so we're fair show this is also attacking law enforcement so obviously left and right are doing it to be fair jank i really want to be fair and and not hide the fact that he also said this so to be fair to vote vice president vans he also claimed that political violence is i'm sorry

he said it's not a both sides problem oh i see not of both sides problem all right so now let's go to others okay so i can give you dozens of right wing shootings uh... complete with manifestos i am a right wing uh... neo nazi and i would like to start a race war i went and shot up these people in a black church

because i hate black people and i went and shot up these uh... latino folks in texas because i am against immigrants i am a right winger i hate them and i want to murder them okay how about gabby giffords we're all forgot about gabby giffords a democratic congress woman shot in the head so look guys i'm not saying the right is more guilty although it is a literal fact that there's been much more right-wing violence but now there is left-wing violence and i hate it i despise it i despise the violence on both sides but this look this obvious liar and including trump too oh tell me the really good at doing it right never done it of course that's not true come

up please don't tell me that you're that blind that you can't see it so then he says that's why you can't criticize anything we're doing as authoritarian well what happens when you do things that are authoritarian but we have to just go oh okay since we wouldn't want to cause any violence I'm never allowed to criticize you well that's pretty convenient very okay so what happens if Democrats get in charge and they go now you can't criticize me for being authoritarian so I'm gonna tread on you I'm gonna hey you're a right way i think you might do violence you guys have done more than the left wing

i say that fbi's reports on it so that's it i'm locking you guys up don't say i'm authoritarian if you say i'm authoritarian i'm going to lock you up twice as much i'm going to take away all your rights because you're not allowed to speak anymore in this country what happened to freedom of speech so you know why people call you authoritarian because you send ice masked up with no badges in unmarked vehicles scares the living crap out of people that's not how we do in America and now mass men in unmarked cars with no badges are going around raping women because this is that's nuts you know what we do in America with law enforcement not a right or left issue you show a badge that gives us faith that that is the government and you should

not assault that guy you should follow his orders etc and then if they don't follow orders then you can get all mad but if I what if I show up to your house with no mask no badge and good that's it up taking your wife and your daughter let's go. going to think that it's a kidnapper and you're going to shoot the guy who like the right wingers are going to shoot that guy more than the left wing that's why it's important for law enforcement to identify themselves and just to give you more details on what jenk was alluding to earlier because i don't want anyone to think the jank is saying

that the ice agents are raping women that's not what's happening because of the fact that ice agents have not been identifying themselves disgusting predators have used that to their advantage to essentially pose as ice agents uh... and then you know there have been specific cases of women who have been kidnapped and raped

and there's no excuse for mask and no badge no excuse me oh it did the ice is uh... in danger because they're arresting gangs cops arrest gang members every single day in america and they don't wear masks and they show their badges that's what we do in america we don't get scared of gangs

and criminals go that's it we're gonna once you start covering up a mass this thing's on a road to disaster so no no deal j d vans and donald trump we're not going to stay muted and not rhetorically and politically fight back because you are threatening us and what trump said there was a definite threat you okay you can go to plausible deniability and you can go out technically he didn't say that the right wing should do that he said he'd be concerned if the right wing did that but he said it in a way that was super clearly a threat now you can disagree with me say it's an interpretation that's fine but i got ears and i got eyes so i saw it and he's like well i mean the right wing would

be much more vicious you don't want that left radical left it's all the radical left's fault no it's your fault you're the one driving up division you're the one saying left left left left okay i'm gonna come in and bring in the military etc oh i'm sorry am i being too critical of the president okay oh no i know that's not allowed anymore that's not allowed anymore that's not allowed more from the guy who ran on freedom of speech so guys we are very balanced on policy but I'm not going to tolerate anyone on the right or the left taking away speech rights doing authoritarian crap and they say oh I saw some two super questionable dudes who conveniently engraved stuff on their bullets and because

of that I'm taking away all your rights no deal and by the way don't it Trump should never talk about low IQ people a moron of epic proportion Okay. And did you notice, I'm sorry, but I'm going to say, did you notice every time he talks about lower IQ people? I didn't think this was real. And now I see it. Almost every time it's a minority.

All right, go ahead. Anna. DHS Secretary Christine Nome, similarly chastised Democrats saying, this shooting must serve as a wake-up call to the far left, and their rhetoric about ICE has consequences, comparing ice day in and day out to the Nazi Gestapo, the secret police, and slave police, and slave patrols has consequences. Now, in reality, these ramped up attacks on Democrats and the left have been escalating for a while now. So, for instance, back in August, Stephen Miller made a pretty inflammatory statement, and I want you to take a look at what that was.

The Democrat Party does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals, gangbangers, and illegal alien killers and terrorists. The Democrat Party is not a political party. It is a domestic extremist organization. Unacceptable. Yeah, look, this country is not served well by people like this. Okay.

That seemed to have way more interest in getting Americans to hate each other than anything else. It's pretty gross. Because, by the way, Anna, it works because I now despise Stephen Miller. I mean, I loathe Stephen Miller. Oh, I'm sorry, am I not allowed to say that? Have my speech rights been taken away? Okay, because of some theoretical supposed left-wing shooter or something? And what if I said the same thing Stephen Miller said about Republicans?

They're a domestic terrorist group. They're the ones that are causing all the problems. They'd say, oh, my God, Jake, you're causing violence. Don't say that about the right wing. In fact, I don't want you to be allowed to say that. about Republicans but I can say it about Democrats all day long and I can drive violence towards you I could use the government to take away your rights I and so burn the Constitution

and just have us all hate each other and say despicable things like that about half the country Stephen Miller is one of the most loathsome people who has ever been in the United States government am I allowed to say it Stephen am I allowed to oh no I know Muslim Muslim don't let him say anything about foreign governments or let him say anything about Trump or any of his stupid corruption We are 1,000% against violence.

Everyone should be against violence. But saying that we're going to take away the right-wing's rights or the left-wing's rights is un-American. And Stephen Miller and Kristy Nome and J.D. Vance and Donald Trump are un-American. I hope that's clear enough. All right. We'll get to the latest in the Epstein files when we come back. This episode is brought to by Tron Aries. For the first time the captivating world of Tron breaks out of the grid. Aries, a highly advanced program, journeys into our world on a dangerous mission,

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All right, let's talk a little bit about Congressman Massey and what he's been up to as it pertains to the Epstein files. Libertarian Congressman Thomas Massey is still fighting to force a vote on the House floor that would potentially release the Epstein files, even as Republican leadership fights pretty hard to prevent that from happening. So the latest includes a pretty interesting declaration of victory from Congressman Massey. In fact, during a recent event in Kentucky, he says he believes he's going to have enough votes to force the vote. So for now, Massey is declaring victory on his move to have that vote take place now that the election to fill a vacant seat in Arizona has taken place. Democrat Adelaida Grahalva, who won the Arizona special election on Tuesday to fill her late father's seat is expected to put the discharge petition over the top when she

is sworn in next week. So the discharge petition, which Massey needs 218 votes for, is essentially what would lead to a force, what would lead to the House having to vote on releasing the Epstein files. Now, she is expected to vote yes on Massey's discharge petition, which again would force a vote on releasing the files. And Massey announced at this event in northern Kentucky that he will have 218 supporters saying that they're going to have a vote. I think they're coming to terms with that, meaning GOP leadership in the House. This is amazing. So I'm going to bet the speaker is probably going to hand out hall passes to some congressmen because this is an 80 20 issue, meaning 80% want the Epstein files to be released.

They want the transparency. The other 20% what's going on? Now, at the same time, according to Semaphore, he said his three Republican colleagues who have actually signed onto that discharge petition are kind of dealing with some threats here. And that includes Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Green, and Lauren Bobert. Now, Bobert told CNN last week that she would not be removing her name from the discharge petition, she's still very much in favor of it. And I want to be clear that Massey said that three of his Republican colleagues are under duress for signing the discharge petition or

signing onto it. But he is saying that they're not being met with any threats of violence or anything like that. So I want to be clear about that. But by the way, Bobert also noted that she wasn't getting pressured at all. So that's what she said last week. Maybe things have changed since then. Now, every House Democrat has also co-signed to the discharge petition. They want to force a vote on the Epstein files, which is good news. And after the event in Northern Kentucky, Massey told some of four that they came back and tried to get the four of us to take our names off the petition. They asked some of my colleagues who are co-signers, and they actually threaten them politically, not physically. Massey said, if Johnson uses parliamentary tactics to evade a vote,

that there's enough notoriety on this issue that people will know that he's sweeping this under the rug. He also said that if there is language included in a bill to sideline the petition, those who vote for that bill are part of the cover up. And if you're wondering, well, what about the Senate? Because remember, this would need to pass in the Senate as well, and Republicans control the Senate. Well, it turns out that there are two senators in particular who are supportive of Thomas Massey's efforts, that includes Senators Rand Paul and Josh Hawley. And in a September 10th, 2025 vote in the Senate, Republicans, Rand Paul and Josh Holly were the only two Republican senators who sided with Democrats in support of an amendment

to force the release of the Epstein files. But ultimately, it failed. Unfortunately, it failed, 51 to 49. So, all right, they always do this rotating villains, and you never get their answers. You never get their government ever serving you. But, you know, look, Tom Massey being an American hero was not on my bingo card, and maybe you should have been, because he's been honest all along, and don't agree with him on a lot of the policy issues. But here he's 100% right, and I love how stubborn he is.

And no matter what they threaten them with, and now the Israeli lobby is spending already $2 million for a race that is more than a year away, okay? And that's just the tip of the iceberg for how much they're going to come for. And isn't it a weird? Like his number one thing is the Epstein files. And the Israeli lobby is like, whoa, we don't want those being released. I don't know if you realize you're telling on yourself. Totally.

Okay. Now, to be fair, Massey is also against more Israel funding. And of course, the Israeli lobby thinks that all U.S. congressmen must serve Israel. If they don't serve Israel, they will spend millions of dollars eliminating them. But they don't control anything. That's a trope. That's you're not, shush, shush, you're not a lot to say. There's a lot of things you're not allowed to say.

For example, the government says that there are no victims of, or perpetrators that victimized the women that Epstein victimized. Now, there's over a thousand of them. We know that there are hundreds of men, but the government in its infinite corruption says, no, they don't exist. And we're never going to prosecute them. So when Massey says that if you vote against this, you're part of the cover up, well, that's literal. You can't argue against that. You're purposely covering it up so that the American people don't find out who's guilty. Who raped those girls?

The government doesn't want you to know. Why? It's obviously a friend of the government. You don't, imagine if it was like a radical left person that somehow was involved. Do you think Stephen Miller and Donald Trump and all those guys would keep that hidden? It depends. Are there people on the right who are also implicated in it? Because that's what the Epstein files are.

Yeah. That's the problem, right? So when you talk about how the Democrats and the Republicans, right, those in positions of power keep playing this good cop, bad cop game, the reason why, if let's say Donald Trump were implicated in the Epstein files. The reason why the Democrats wouldn't release the Epstein files while they're in charge, while they're in power, is because there's powerful Democrats who are implicated in it as well. Yeah, look, that's, I get that that's obvious. But now my belief is I think there's a 98% chance it was an intelligence agency. Because all the time, every

time, Democrats and Republicans, oh, no, no, no, no, no, we can't, we can't, we have to understand, No, no, no, no. And then Mike Johnson, we're trying to protect the victims. Oh, really, by not prosecuting any of the people who did it? Decade after decade, that's somehow protecting the victims. Do you see how politicians are massive, disgusting liars? Yes, absolutely. Okay? So, so that's why when you see a Tom Massey or a Rokana, who've been working on this in a bipartisan way, actually being honest, it's like shocking. Like, are politicians allowed to be honest? And then, so Then people sometimes are getting on us, oh well, you know, you're agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Green. You're not allowed to agree with Marjorie, Taylor Green.

No, I'll agree with. No, I agree with her on this. We're going to agree with anyone who we think is right on any issue. Yeah, that includes Tucker Carlson, who I think is right on the issue of Israel, Marjorie Taylor Greed, who's absolutely right on the issue of transparency for the Epstein files and getting foreign money out of our politics. Listen, I'm going to take the win when there are opportunities to work with people that might even be on the opposite. end of the political aisle from us, who cares if you can build a coalition on an issue by issue basis and actually for the first time in decades get positive movement in this country, we should take it. I think the only reason why we haven't been able to do that is because

for the longest time we have deluded ourselves thanks to those in power brainwashing us into thinking that we should hate each other, that we shouldn't work together when there's common ground. Yeah, so I was talking with John from the stage crew after the show yesterday. I want to tell you guys real quick about that. So look guys, we were talking about this analogy. If there's a hundred people and one of them is in charge and has all the money and wealth. And other 99 realize it, well then that one guy is in a lot of trouble, especially if he's being unfair and reading the rules, etc. So what's the logical thing he would do?

In any given situation, if he was really smart, the logical thing he would do was to get the other hundred to fight with each other. other and to forget about him. Whatever you do, they don't want you looking up. And the people who did the Epstein files, the Epstein crimes are up. So don't look, don't look, don't look, fight against each other. That's why this story is connected to the earlier story of Stephen Miller and Donald Trump talking about all the radical left Democrats, domestic terrorists and violence and hatred and loathing. You should hate them, you should hate them. Why? Because they don't want you to look up. They're covering up Epstein files.

They're covering up Israel. They're covering up corporate corruption. All their donors are robbing us blind. And what are the Democrats do? Same thing. Israel take all of our money. Epstein files. Oh, no way, we're never going to show you.

Oh, corporate corruption here. Here's more subsidies, more subsidies. So stop getting divided by the hate monger politicians. And whenever you see politicians, they're doing right on anything. I mean, it's a minor miracle. So yes, I'm going to support honest politicians. even ones I disagree with as long as I get a sense that they're honest. I mean, my God, our politicians are such filthy liars that it's like a ray of light

to see someone who's being honest on any issue. And by the way, guys, it should not be lost on anyone watching this right now, that the reason why you're starting to see politicians on both sides of the political aisle feel pressure to sign on to releasing the Epstein files is because this is an 80-20 issue. Meaning the American people overall are united in wanting that transparency. So as a result, I'm gonna go to the final graphic here. Just give you a little bit of a white pill. Republicans on the House Rules Committee have made clear that this time,

they will not help Johnson kill the Epstein Files vote, a third source said. So I mean, talk is cheap, we're gonna wait and see what happens in the end. But you think they're doing that out of the kindness of their own heart? Or is it because they're feeling the pressure from American voters? Yeah, all right, last two things I'll say is, you know, Tom Massey mentioned a hall pass. So if you're not involved in politics, you might not know what that is. What that is is when leadership of either parties realize they're going to lose a vote. They just don't have enough votes.

They then release the people on their sign to vote in the popular direction, right? Even though they were not going to do that if they could win the vote. So here, since we have just enough Republicans joining the Democrats to release the Epstein files, they're going to lose the votes. So then you might not get just the first four. you might get 24 or 44. Understand that those others that come in later are liars. They don't mean that at all.

They're only being released or giving it a hall pass to vote in that direction because they couldn't, you know, they couldn't successfully complete the cover up. Right. And so the people to thank there, and these are people I've spoken out against a thousand times. But the four Republicans, Tom Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert, and Nancy Mace, man, have I got millions of criticism for them in other issues? But here, they did a great job, they got them over the hum, and they deserve a lot of credit

for that. And they did it in a bipartisan way, and they didn't go, oh, Democrats are voting for it. And I don't want it. I want to hurt the American people. They didn't do that. Now, finally, on the Senate, if they get to a point where they didn't have, like, enough Republicans flipped and they were going to lose the vote, Democrats will never believe me. But for progressives, you know this, they have rotating villains. There'll be some Democrat who raises his hand and votes with the Republicans. Because they're going to cover it up. They're going to cover it up.

They always cover it up. And since both Democrats and Republicans have been doing it the whole time, at this point, I don't really believe almost any of the Democrats other than Roe Conno, who's led this effort, right, and a couple of others, that they actually mean it. And if they're going to, if they're going to win the vote, some Democratic senators might panic and go, I mean, oh, we didn't adequately protect the victims. Well, it would be a dumb political move to do that, especially after what we learned from the press conference, that the Epstein victims held alongside, you know, the bipartisan congressional effort to release the Epstein files. They're going to release the names themselves.

So either we can do this the right way, congressionally through legislation, or we can have it happen the other way. So I guess no matter what, the truth will come out. All things dark come to light, I genuinely believe that. So if the lawmakers in Congress right now think they can engage in a cover up and get away with it, I doubt it. In this instance, people are not dropping this for good reason. It has to do with injustice, it has to do with pedophilia. It has to do with those who perpetrated acts of pedophilia and got away with it, weren't prosecuted for it, and hold positions of power. So we're gonna wait and see.

All right. To see which country did it. All right, let's take a break. When we come back for the second hour, I want to talk a little bit about a fascinating promise that the president made. Should we believe him? Spoiler alert, no. We'll be right back.

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