The Young Turks - Trump 4 Cuomo! - November 5, 2025

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Welcome, welcome to the Young Turks. I'm your host, Anna Kasparian. I've been away for a little bit. I've been traveling. I've been on CNN. Yesterday I was on their streaming service coverage of the election. with Charlemagne, with Ben Shapiro, with Harry Enten, who was like a total class act. I really, really liked the guy. So if you were able to catch that, I'm really happy you did. If not, I will be on Abby Phillips's show tonight. But I miss TYT like crazy. So I'm like really, really excited about the show today. And I'm so happy you're here with us because we're going to have an awesome, awesome show.

We're going to have Scott Horton on to talk about his latest project. He is really doing a great job informing the public about foreign policy, the history of U.S. foreign policy and the ramifications of it. And even though he's a libertarian, and even though we definitely have quite a few disagreements, I respect the information that he's trying to get out there to people so they understand why we are in the moment that we're in here in the U.S. and the, you know, ramifications of our decision making or our government's decision making all across the globe. So that'll happen after our first segment today. We're also, of course, going to give you some news about the elections that took place last night,

including the reactions to Zoran Mamdani's victory in the New York City mayoral race. Later in the show, we're going to also talk a little bit about this fury that's been directed at Brett Cooper, who has really been thought of as like this young conservative darling, but she defended Tucker Carlson's decision to have a conversation with Nick Fuentes. I can totally understand those who are maybe critical of the way Tucker Carlson handled it. Maybe they wanted him to go a lot harder. But let's just keep in mind that we have endless right-wing shows, online shows, that have been interviewing a literal war criminal who is wanted by the,

International Criminal Court, and that's Benjamin Netanyahu. And a lot of those interviews have been real friendly, real friendly. Didn't see much backlash in that regard. But we'll get to all of that later. As always, just want to encourage you to like and share the stream if you are watching us live. It's a quick, easy, and free way to help support the work that we do here at TYT. And you can also become a member by going to TYT.com slash join. All right, without further ado, let's talk a little bit about what happened yesterday. Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics of our city who made this movement their own.

I speak of Yemeni bodega owners and Mexican abuelas. Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses. Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties. Yes, aunties. To every New Yorker in Kensington and Midwood and Huns Point, know this. This city is your city and this democracy is yours too. Well, 34-year-old Democratic Socialist Zoran Mamdani has decisively won the New York City

mayoral race, effectively ending the Cuomo dynasty in New York City and proving that, or New York, I should say, since he was the governor of New York at one time, and proving that voters are ready for real change. This was, in my opinion, the result of Americans wanting pushback against the establishment, against the old way of doing things, against the status quo, and yes, against what we have been seeing both in the Trump administration, but more importantly, what we've been carrying out in both the Biden administration and the Trump administration in regard to U.S. foreign policy. Now, despite all of the attacks that Zoran Mamdani basically had to deal with during the race, and very few of them actually had to do with his policy proposals and had more to do with his Muslim identity,

he was able to just totally kick ass yesterday. So let's take a look at the polling results. So with over 90% reporting today, Mamdani led by 50.4% to Andrew Cuomo's 41.6%. Now, here's an important thing to keep in mind. Take a look at Curtis Sliwa, who received 7.1% of the vote, meaning Cuomo was going to lose even if Curtis Sliwa exited the race.

So all the people who are directing all this abuse toward Curtis Sliwa today, need to relax because they're wrong. Even if he had dropped out, Mamdani was going to win. He had a large enough lead to beat Andrew Cuomo in this race. Now, I just want to make a quick comment about the video that we started this segment with, because as I was watching his victory speech last night,

that was the part that for whatever reason really made me emotional in a good way. And it's because of the fact that I'm currently in New York City right now. now to do CNN. And yesterday I went for a pretty lengthy walk to meet up with a friend for lunch. And I just couldn't help but really appreciate this city and the diversity here. I mean, it's what makes this city great, guys. And there are so many demographics in New York City and across this country that I think have been forgotten.

They're the people who do a lot of hard work that help this country. run, your day-to-day lives are affected, impacted in a positive way by these individuals. They make the food we eat. They maintain and take care of the hotel rooms we stay in. And these are people who, again, have been neglected by our elected officials. And for whatever reason, like, that part of the speech brought me to tears. Because here you have someone who won his mayoral race in the largest city in this country. taking the time to recognize Americans of all different backgrounds. At the end of the day, we are Americans, right?

Our backgrounds, our heritage, you know, where our parents came from, where we came from if we happen to immigrate here and are now American citizens. We are Americans. And it doesn't matter what your skin color is. I think America is really an idea. And like, as I've said before, people come here because they love the country. the country. They come here because they want to help this country progress. They want to contribute to this country. And I think, you know, with a lot of the rhetoric we've been hearing

for years now, that message has been lost. So I loved what Zoran Mamdani had to say there. Now, Mamdani did win without really meaningful support from the Democratic establishment. And look, I'm going to be really honest here. The Democratic establishment did Zoran Mamdani a huge favor. Do you really think that it would be one of Mamdani's assets to have Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer give him this big endorsement? I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But right now, if you look at the Democratic electorate, I don't really think they're too pleased with the establishment. And I think the results of this election is further evidence of that. Now, Chuck Schumer never backed Zoran Mamdani.

In fact, this is hilarious. Last night, Schumer wouldn't even say who he voted for, which is pretty hilarious. And I think we know. I think we know. And Hakeem Jeffries tepidly endorsed him at the last minute, but in interviews made clear that he does not believe that Zeran Mamdani is the future of the Democratic Party. Now, he also won despite the fact that Super PACs backed by billionaires and Donald Trump allies went all in on Cuomo, not because they like.

like Cuomo, but because they see Mamdani as a threat. So they're like, oh, we might as well endorse, you know, the monster we know as opposed to support someone who is openly challenging crony capitalism, who is openly challenging a system that hasn't really worked out too well for a lot of New Yorkers. This city is expensive as hell. Okay, like, I barely ate anything today because it's like every time I look at the restaurant menu at this hotel, because I don't have time working. I don't have time to go out looking for food. I know there's food everywhere, but I'd rather just stay here and get this show produced and ready to go. It is outrageously expensive just to have lunch here. I don't know how people afford housing here. And these are the issues

that Mom Donnie spoke to that happened to appeal to the majority of New Yorkers. And despite all the attacks against him, it just didn't work. I mean, there was so much. money against him. So let me give you some of those details. An analysis by DropSight News showed that as of October 30th, independent expenses backing Cuomo were more than seven times the amount of money put behind Mamdani. Seven times. That's insane. Cuomo has exceeded Mamdani by a staggering $36 million in outside support. Guys, this is what people power looks like. Okay, the people defeated the billionaires. And even in a system of legalized bribery and corruption, when people fight, when people get together and really do fight on

behalf of the candidate they feel speaks to their values, that money is not going to mean much. And by the way, let's be clear, that was also the case in the 2024 presidential election. As we all know, Kamala Harris raised far more money than the Trump campaign did. And she also raised a lot more dark money than now President Donald Trump did. So that's something to keep in mind as we sometimes find ourselves in despair because the system is unfair. And oftentimes the money does have a massive impact on the outcome of these races. But in this case, it didn't work. And it just shows you what people power looks like. So the total amount backing Cuomo for targeting Mamdani totals $56 million.

This is a mayoral race, $56 million, close to two and a half times the amount backing Mamdani or attacking Cuomo. Okay, so billionaires Bill Ackman, who decided to put out a more conciliatory tweet after Mom Donny's victory was announced. So Bill Ackman, Barry Diller, Dan Loeb, Steve Wyn, and Alex. Walton are among the billionaires who poured money into the anti-Mam Dani super PACs, and it still wasn't enough. Mamdani crushed.

So in his victory speech, he took aim at both Democrats and Republicans for leaving average Americans behind, which, by the way, was the main point, was the focal point of his campaign affordability. Take a look. For as long as we can remember, the working people of New York have. been told by the wealthy and the well-connected that power does not belong in their hands. Tonight, against all odds, we have grasped it. The future is in our hands.

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Business. Turn the volume up. And you know, when you hear from Democratic voters who say they want a fighter, this is what they're talking about, someone who has and exudes confidence. And look, we'll see what his leadership actually looks like. You know, oftentimes there are big promises made, But we know how the system works. We know that he is not the almighty, all powerful mayor who gets to unilaterally make decisions. And he's going to run into plenty of obstacles, plenty of, you know, local politicians who will try to stand in his way.

I have no doubt about that. And also we'll see if his policy proposals, if implemented, really do work out in terms of making housing affordable for New Yorkers, for making public transportation affordable, for making groceries affordable. The jury is out. But at the same time, you can't deny the fact that he had the exact message that New Yorkers and honestly, Americans are so hungry for. Just speaking to, genuinely speaking to the economic frustrations and the lack of affordability that Americans are faced with really does help in these elections.

Look, Abigail Spanberger, who is now the governor-elect. for the state of Virginia also ran on a not as enthusiastic, but similar message. She did focus on affordability far more than you would expect from a centrist Democrat, former CIA analysts, right? She won. But at the same time, there is a parallel there where she didn't neglect or forget that important messaging on economics and what Americans are facing in terms of affordability. And by the way, that's what Trump ran on.

Now, obviously, we are far into his second term and things are not affordable, that's for sure. And the latest reports indicate that inflation is ticking up again, 3%. So that's not a good sign. So promises made, in some cases promises not kept. And so I'm telling you that because if Zoran Mamdani fails to actually, actually fulfill these promises on affordability, there will be a price to pay for that. And that's something to keep in mind. And I don't think he's lying when he says that this is something he cares about. I do think he's going to fight for New Yorkers. There's no question

about that. But whether or not those promises are fulfilled is really going to determine what the future of the Democratic Party looks like to be quite frank. And so I'm rooting for him. I really am. I'm really hoping that New Yorkers live in a city that isn't absolutely crushing them because of how unaffordable it is. So let's also break down a little bit of, well, who voted for Zoran Mamdani? Because there's a lot of crap out there, a lot of lies about who ended up voting for him. And so I want to start off with Batya Ungar Sargon, who, look, I actually really like her. I know that some in the audience might have issues with her. She says all sorts of things that I disagree with, especially as it pertains to Israel.

That's fine. I actually really like her. She's a nice person. She's willing to engage in debate in a kind way, in a civil way. But what she says here is just untrue. And so let's take a look at that and then I'll break it down for you. So his constituencies were Muslims, South Asians, and then these 20 to 30 something overeducated, over-credentialed downwardly mobile hipsters in Bushwick and Brooklyn, who think they're the

working class because they failed to get, like, amazing jobs and have student loan from getting, you know, degree upon degree upon degree. They have enormous contempt for labor. And as a result, they want things from the government, despite Tim being like the most privileged people on planet Earth. And Mamdani is their avatar. This is a guy who's like a total Nepo baby. They don't actually want him to do any of this stuff. They would never dream of shopping in an Aldi. Forget about a free supermarket. These are people who spend $12 on a cold brew. Okay, Tim, it's all one big virtue signal. So again, I'm not trying to trash Batyra on Gar-Sloggeron. She's wrong here, though. And she's also wrong in regard to President Donald Trump, really being a

fighter for the working class, for the common man. She's totally wrong about that. And at this point, she should be honest about it. But nonetheless, first of all, Mamdani got more votes than anyone running for mayor of New York City in nearly 50 years. That was a fact that Harry Enton brought up on CNN yesterday while we were discussing the race prior to him being announced as the winner of the mayoral race. And I was shocked by it, honestly. I mean, Mamdani, whether you like him or not, galvanized quite a bit of voters here in New York City. So by definition, his base has to be a bit bigger than what Batya is describing here. So she's right that he has a lot of young supporters. That's definitely true. But they're not all 22-year-old hipsters in Bushwick.

So let's get into the specific details. In fact, the percentage of people under 45 who voted for Mom Donnie over Cuomo is absolutely staggering. Take a look at this. The dividing line I've been using is 45 years of age. And we have that in the exit poll here. Voters under 45 years old, Mom Donnie won them by 44 points. Okay? Wow. Voters over 45, Cuomo's going to win them by 12 points. So about a 56 point swing. Under 30 years old, Mom Dani wins them by 61 points. Wow, that's huge. So age was a huge factor in this. So age was a huge factor. So even men between the ages of 45 and 64 broke even with 45% supporting Mom Dani and 45% backing Cuomo. And guys, as we know, if you've been following Andrew Cuomo's political career, especially

during COVID, it is mind-boggling that this man felt entitled to becoming the next mayor of New York City. He sent sick elderly people who had COVID back to nursing homes, where they then spread COVID among other vulnerable elderly people. And those nursing homes had a high number of COVID-related deaths as a result. His leadership was absolute garbage. His campaign was absolutely garbage. He like took a vacation in the middle of his campaign. Like the guy wasn't serious. Now, Batia is also wrong that Mamdani's base is filled with only rich New Yorkers. So let's take a quick look at this. So the most affluent households, so those making more than $300,000, decisively broke in favor of Cuomo. There's no question. Okay, but there you have it.

Over 50% of voters with a total family income between $30,000 and $200,000 in 24 voted for Mom Donnie. Those in the $50,000 to $100,000 range favored him the most, while 62% of voters in the highest bracket, again, that's those making above $300,000 a year, did vote for Cuomo. Now, it sounds like the most privileged people on the planet actually desperately wanted Cuomo to win, not Mom Doni. And in New York City, the cost of living, obviously is a major concern, even for middle income earners. I don't know if you can really survive as a single person, even making $600,000, I don't think you're going to live a comfortable life in New York City, which is crazy.

Because $100,000 is a lot of money, especially if you're in certain parts of the country. That's a good income. But not in New York City. That's how outrageously expensive it is to live here. And in New York City, let's take a look at the cost of living. Oh, sorry, let's actually take a look at his voters, especially South Asians. So he did do well among Asians, but he also got 57% support among black voters and 53% among Latinos. The only race group he lost was with white people. And finally, regarding education,

it is true that voters with no college degree voted for Cuomo more than they did. for Mamdani by five points, by a five point margin. But having a bachelor's degree these days, as we all should know at this point, doesn't mean that you're part of the elite. In fact, a lot of young people who have college degrees today are drowning in debt, are not gainfully employed. I mean, just take a look at what's happening to coders in Silicon Valley as we speak. There are mass layoffs because their jobs are being replaced with AI.

So college degree used to be a good indicator of someone who is more likely to be affluent, but that's not necessarily the case, especially these days. The final thing that I'll say is I've been noticing that some on, I don't even know if they're on the right, but a lot of them are on the right. A lot of them are basically smearing Mamdani as a jihadist, which I find utterly disgusting, but they're also attacking his wife. And I just want to show you this picture of her because as one person on X wrote, she ate, and I agree. But more importantly, really, he's a jihadist. He's a jihadist.

Okay. Where's the Nicarb? Like get out of here with that. When you resort to those pathetic smears and you don't have a real substantive counterpoint, a real substantive counter campaign to what Mom Donnie's message was really about, which again was about affordability, you're going to lose. If you're going to fearmonger about what Mom Dani is going to do to a foreign country,

if you're going to whine about how Mom Dani had declared that he would, in fact, arrest Benjamin Netanyahu, a war criminal, if he ever stepped foot in New York City, you're helping him with his campaign because a war criminal absolutely should be arrested, especially when there's a warrant out for his arrest by the international criminal court because of the atrocities and the genocide he carried out in Gaza. So we'll see how Mamdani performs as the next New York City mayor,

but this should be a lesson to anyone who actually cares about speaking to and winning over the American people. A lot of people are struggling today, and I didn't see anything from Cuomo's campaign acknowledging that struggle, wanting to alleviate that struggle, and providing actual solutions for that struggle. Cuomo ran a dog crap campaign. End a story. So with that in mind, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, the wonderful Scott Horton will join us. I want to got to get his thoughts on the elections. But I also want to talk to him about a new project he's launched that I think is going to be really great if you want to be informed on international relations, foreign policy and all of that. I think he's one of the leading voices on these issues.

So let's take a break and he'll be with us when we come back. Welcome back to TYT. I'm your host, Anna Kasparian. And there are so many foreign policy-related stories on a daily basis that I want to talk about on the show. We never have enough time to talk about it on the show. But if you want a quick daily update on what's transpiring in the realm of foreign policy, you have to check out anti-war.com. Dave DeCamp does a daily video where he just kind of summarizes all the latest updates. And that's the first place I go to to basically inform myself about what's going on.

And one of the people who is a big part of anti-war.com is Scott Horton. He's the editorial director of the website. So I am very pleased to say that we're about to interview Scott Horton in just a minute. But before we do, take a look at this. Mr. Horton may believe that the U.S. is the source and cause of evil in the world. I disagree. Remember on September 12th, they held a million man candlelight vigil in downtown Tehran on behalf of the people of the United States.

We had the entire world ready to listen to America, ready to join up in our cause, but it wasn't the right cause. It was, hey, you know what we could do? We could get a bonus war. so upset about the 3,000 dead New Yorkers, we could exploit that grief and fear. We could overthrow whoever we want now. I didn't realize Scott Horton was catching bodies for as long as he has been just absolutely embarrassing for Bill Crystal. One of these neocon freaks, Scott Horton is going to embarrass him over and over again. It's like a stern father giving a serious talking to a baby. Well, today we have the honor of speaking to Scott Horton, the man who

crushes war hawks and neocons like none other. Horton is the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of anti-war.com, and host of the Scott Horton show from Scott Horton.org. He's also the author of several books, including Fools Aaron, time to end the war in Afghanistan. Enough already. Time to end the war on terrorism. Provoked how Washington started the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. Scott, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be with you.

It's my pleasure. And by the way, as if you're not accomplished enough, you are launching a new project. It's called the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy, which we will talk about in just a moment. But before we do, I figured it makes sense to kind of get your thoughts on two big things that have happened in the past week.

First, I wanted to start off with your thoughts on the election results last night. And then I wanted to also get your thoughts on basically this insane effort, this very well-organized effort to destroy Tucker Carlson over the fact that he had a conversation with Nick Fuentes. Let's start off with the election, though. You know, Zoran Mamdani is getting a lot of attention. There was an organized effort to basically smear him as a jihadist. Why do you think those efforts didn't work? Well, because they're just so blatantly false.

You know, it's like when Trump, when he ran against Biden in 20, and he tried to frame Biden as a far leftist radical, which made him what, the steward of the status quo, when the whole thing was Biden is the center left liberal permanent Washington establishment guy and that Trump was supposed to be the radicals shaking things up, right? And so got the narrative all wrong and it didn't work because it was just so blatantly false. Joe Biden's a communist, Strom Thurman's friend? No, he's got a lot of problems, but that's not. not what it's about. So it's that same kind of thing. In this case, this guy really is a communist, or at least a socialist, and not a jihadist. Or, you know, if, I don't know, like, if, you know, how religious he is or not or whatever, but he's certainly not here to wage war for bin Ladenite terrorism against American society. That's not what's dangerous about him. It's his economics, which I would disagree with, perhaps you have more in common with his economic program than I would. But I would say that his victory is due to two obvious major things. And they're connected to our next subject with Tucker as well, which is, one, the Israel lobby and the focus on Israel in the campaign.

I read a little bit today about how Cuomo, who by the way is just an absolutely horrific and horrible candidate and should have never been in there in the first place. but how he really ran on, this guy doesn't love Israel enough. Like that was really the basis of his campaign, even after the disastrous debate, where they all said Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, and Mondami said, well, I just care about New York City and I want to make New York City a better place. And that got such a huge reaction. And then what did Cuomo do? Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel the whole time.

And then I just watched a report about how, what, 32%, so just just shy of one third of New York Jews that voted, voted for a mandami. So in many of them, I don't know exactly how the Venn diagram of the proportions line up, many of them said because of the Israel issue, meaning they are against Netanyahu and against what has been happening there and support him because he also is against that. And so it just goes to show how completely bankrupt and idiotic it was for Cuomo to run to make that the centerpiece of his thing, where again, I disagree with Mandami's prescriptions for what should be done. But what did he run on? The quality of life for the people of New York City and how he wants

to make it better because at least he's considered the fact that they might need some improvement in their standard of living rather than just being thrown to some wolves. Where Cuomo apparently doesn't care about them anymore, he cares about the grandmas that he sent with COVID home to all the retirement homes with all the other grandmas that kill them too. And so it's It's just, and it's a huge part of what has discredited also the Republicans this whole time, because Trump ran on America first. But MAG, of course, is a coalition of America first and Israel instead. And it's America first out here in the country, and it's Israel instead. They're in Washington, D.C. and inside the White House. And so it gets to a point after he got

to cease fire and then let the Israelis restart the war and inflict the blockade and then let us get into what thanks to the Ayatollah in great part turned out to be a very short war because he decided to basically not fight back when America jumped in Israel's war against Iran. And you have all this time still prices on the shelf for food to eat for your family keeps going up and up and what does Donald Trump do? He wages war if he has to against the Federal Reserve to make them keep lowering interest rates to, in other words, increase inflation because he's too afraid of the correction. He rather have high inflation than a recession. And since those are the breaks in a fraction of reserve system like we have, our corrupt monetary system, he would rather

just keep inflating until it's somebody else's problem. Like George Bush almost got away with in 2008, but not quite. And that's what he's going for. But that means the standard of living for the American people is getting further and further and further out of reach. Tucker Carlson And this goes to your second question about Tucker Carlson. This is why people love him so much because everybody knows he was born rich and is this kind of waspy guy and whatever. But he cares obviously about the people of this country. He talks about the standard of living. He talks about where did everybody's jobs go and how people are addicted to drugs and their friends and family are dying and how clearly the government in Washington doesn't care about us. And he was the

the one who pointed out the statistic that the average age now in America of first time home ownership, first time home buyers is 38 years old. 38. That's why people were talking about on Halloween. How come there's no street suburban streets full of kids trick or treating? Because all the young families with kids are living in apartments. They don't have a suburb to go out and to live in because Donald Trump won and Joe Biden increased the money supply by a third in the name of making up for the COVID lockdowns, they then waged these massive bailouts and inflated the money supply and caused this massive inflation. So the American people just get screwed coming and going and the party leadership, the liberals and the conservatives, the entire center

have just refused to respond to the needs and the wishes, the outright, you know, foot stomping demands of the American people. And so the American people, especially the younger, are moving further and further to the left and to the right. And then they want to point and scream, oh my God, communists and fascists everywhere. Well, how come people don't have faith in the center? Because the center is Bill Clinton. Rape you and bite you on the face. Is George W. Bush send your son to war to die. Barack Obama who will back al-Qaeda and create a caliphate, right? These people, John McCain and Joe Biden and Donald Trump won. Again, created so much money is a third of all the money that's ever been created of

US dollars. This is the basis of the inflationary crisis. This is why people are living outside. People who are not bumps. People with houses, people with, or pardon me, people who used to have houses that they owned. People who they essentially, they couldn't afford the adjustable rate mortgage type situation or they couldn't afford their rent went up. And even they have jobs. When they talk about cutting snap, I don't know exactly what proportion is, but it's a huge proportion of the people on food stamps have jobs. That's right. They cannot make ends meet, and it's because of the inflationary money.

I know that's not y'all's favorite topic. It's mine, but it's a huge part of what's wrong with this country. Cue the music. Like NCIS, Tony, and Ziva. We'd like to make up our own rules. Tulsa King. We want to take out the competition. The substance.

This balance is not working. And the naked gun. That was awesome. Now that's a mountain of entertainment. Paramountless. It's actually one of my favorite topics. And we're headed for stagflation, actually. Because, you know, with the development of AI, unemployment is definitely shooting up right now.

And you also have companies that are downsizing in response to Trump's weird, you know, trade wars and tariff policy that I can't really understand. There's no real strategy there, right? And so there's already shortages of pharmaceutical drugs. We've been relying on foreign countries to manufacture our pharmaceutical drugs. And because of these trade wars, we're starting to see shortages. I mean, it is a complete, and utter disaster. And I agree with you when it comes to the central banks. I mean, when you look at the stock market, for instance, it's just a massive bubble.

It's an asset bubble. And you're right. Everyone's afraid of the correction. But you need the correction. Can I just say right here that this is so fantastic. This part of this conversation is so important to me because, you know, other than foreign policy. What I want everyone to agree with libertarians about is just this one thing. You don't have to agree with us about the welfare state. Hell, you don't have to agree with us about

the warfare state. Just people need to understand. It was Ludwig von Mises who figured out. This is what causes the boom and the bust cycle. They call it the business cycle, but it's the government's inflationary counterfeit money cycle is what it is. And that's what causes the giant booms and then the very real busts. So even if you think libertarians are all wet about everything, about everything. Well, whatever, they're right about gold money. We have to have hard money, because as long as the government can print money, first of all, they'll create a massive world empire with unlimited budget, a seven trillion dollar budget every year, because they think that they can just print money forever to get away with it. And they'll get way out of our

control in the first place. But then even when we think it's good times, that's just when they're setting us up to pull the rug out from under us. And everybody has to do a giant reset like we did in 99 and 2008. And we were due for one when they did the COVID lockdown. So that sort of substituted for the recession of 20, the same time they again did the giant bailouts to make up for it again. Yeah, I totally agree with you on that, actually. But you know, the other thing I'll say is even though you and I, I'm sure, have disagreements when it comes to the welfare state, whether you're talking about Democrats, Republicans, left-wing media, right-wing media, I'm sorry, but no one is doing better

coverage of foreign policy than the Libertarians. Antiwar.com is fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. And I just find myself gravitating toward your content when it comes to these issues because you're well read. You know what you're talking about and you don't lean into ridiculous fear-mongering to scare Americans into essentially consenting to these endless wars that do nothing to benefit the American people. And so to that point, I do want to talk to. a little bit about the Tucker thing because, you know, I did a lot of, I watched a lot of Tucker's content prior to agreeing to go on his podcast. Because prior to that, you know, I had all these ideas in my head about who Tucker is because I remember him from his neocon days. I remember him from,

you know, his Fox News days where he said all sorts of things that I vehemently disagreed with. And I didn't know if it made sense for me to have a conversation with him. So I started listening to his podcast daily and realized he's super remorseful about his neocon days. He apologizes for it on a regular basis. And he speaks to, and I think it's sincere, he speaks to the real struggles of Americans, particularly young Americans who can't afford houses, don't think they can afford to get married and have kids. It is leading to a level of despair in this country that has been completely neglected by our political elite, and let's also keep it real by our corporate media and mainstream legacy media. So when he decided to have Nick Fuentes on, I kept an open mind,

even though I know about all the things that Nick Fuentes has said. I know that he has, you know, celebrated Hitler. I know all that stuff. But I wanted to see, okay, what's going to come out of this conversation. And I feel that there has been this misconception about how Tucker didn't push back against Nick Fuentes at all when he very clearly did and drew a distinction between what Tucker Carlson believes and what Nick Fuentes believes. Nick Fuentes still believes, and he said it during this podcast interview, that the problem is this global, like, organized jury. Tucker Carlson pushed back on that and said, no, I totally disagree. And in fact, when you pin this on the Jews, all you do is discredit everyone who is specifically critical of Israel.

And so this effort to cancel him, I don't think is really just about Nick Fuentes. I think it's about everything that Tucker has been saying in pushing back against the foreign policy that now several administrations in this country have engaged in, including the fact that we've supported Israel, regardless of who's in power there, regardless of what they have done in that region of the world. That's my take. It doesn't mean that you have to defend Nick Fuentes, but I am defending the idea that two consenting adults sit down and have a conversation without having this organized campaign meant to destroy the interviewer, in this case, Tucker Carlson. But, you know, what are your thoughts?

Well, I totally agree with you. And you're especially on the point about, well, on all of it, but especially the thing to focus on here is thinking about how they don't mean it. This isn't about Nick Fuentes at all. This is about Tucker Carlson's turn against Israel and against the war party. overall, and they've decided they have something that they think that they can use against him, which parentheses ain't going to work anyway, Jack, tough luck. But that's what they're trying to do. And of course, anyone who watched the interview saw the same interview you did, where, you know, all this talk about platforming is so ridiculous. The guy's a journalist. The guy's interviewed Ayatollahs and God knows who, right? That's his job is to interview people

who are important in the news. And this guy, this young guy, Fuentes, is now it's undeniable. If you look at his audience size, he is a force to be reckoned with one way or another on the right. And Tucker clearly has been struggling to figure out how to deal with him. And I saw a clip where Fuentes said, sounds believable. I didn't ask Tucker, but seemed like maybe Tucker had asked Max Blumenthal and his wife to write this thing against him that years ago kind of thing. Tucker is really trying to figure out a way to, sorry, do like a Mark Levin and cancel him. And he said in his interview with Candace Owens, I think this guy's a plant. Like he's co-intel pro. He's sent to make all of us look bad like him for sidling up and agreeing with most of what we say

and then also saying a bunch of crazy stuff, you know? And so, but the problem with that was he had no real evidence for that. And so Tucker from on high now, Mr. Fox News, Big Shot guy even said in his criticism, he lives in his mom's basement. So it was a big guy swinging at a little guy and then he missed. And he actually made a baseless accusation. So then he was in the position where he kind of had to eat a little crow. I think he didn't tell me this or anything, but I think this is sort of the way I read the situation. After swinging and missing, he kind of had to go ahead and have him on and let the kid, you know, define himself as he would. And of course, as you say,

Tucker and all anyone has to do is just watch this people are like they get a screenshot in their head of oh no a platforming happened or something watch what happened in the conversation and as you say it's Tucker explaining over and over and over again well you say you had the same religion as me but our religion teaches opposite of what you're letting you're saying your conclusions are here and then it is true that Tucker didn't say as like I don't know how this is supposed to work, he brings the guy out to the middle of Maine. You know what I mean? He's not just going to sit there and beat him over the head. But perhaps he could have said, hey man, you really have crossed the line in some of this stuff you've said about blacks and Jews

and Hitler and this and that. Like this is some pretty, and he didn't hit him that hard on that. The way I read that was that he was leaving Fuentes space to back down a little bit in a way And say, because in fact, check out the difference between the Jews are all a bunch of traitors serving Israel. And well, Sheldon Adelson wasn't a neoconservative, just a Jewish Zionist. And so his Jewishness obviously informs his Zionism somehow. Okay, well, that's true for a lot of Jewish Zionists, that Jewishness and Zionism seem to go together to them. Okay, but what does that say about the millions and millions and millions of American Jews? Doesn't say anything about them at all, does it?

Exactly. A different way of framing it. And so when Tucker said, okay, well, let's just draw our lines here and see, Fuentes seemed to back down from his own position quite a way. You're right. Yeah, you're right about that. And if you- One more thing there is, sure, I've actually kind of been mulling this over because I think it represents a real crisis for the right and especially the anti-war and anti-Zionist right. What are we going to do with this guy before he made sure that he was so beyond the pale that like fine, he has his corner over there. But now he's going, yeah, it's

me and Tucker and Candace against the war party. And it's like, now listen, man, you're still an avowed Hitlerian and whatever, to whatever degree. Look, I'm not the greatest connoisseur of the guy, but I've seen some pretty astounding clips before, okay? I've not watched hours and hours, but I know about him that, and I know the origin story that Ben Shapiro's what did this to him when he was just a kid. So it's almost a comic book movie. Like this is where your villain came from was he was so mistreated unfairly when he was too young, whatever. But now what does what does the entire anti-war right? And you see there's a giant faction fight on the right where the war party is going after, you know, and not just the war party, but like, you know,

more mainstream Republican types are really going after Tucker and everyone anti-Zionist and hanging Fuentes around all of our necks. And, and it represents a real conundrum of what we're gonna do here he's trying to soften and sort of join up with a larger movement but in a way that can really only cause them nothing but grief right to me it seems like what he should do is he should just go full co-and-tel pro against Israel and say yes he's a national socialist he shares the exact ideology of the Lakud party which is ethno religious nationalism and exclusivism and collectivism at the expense of the other which is what he believes in and which is what Benjamin Netanyahu who believes in. You know, Richard Spencer, who they previously made poster boy for the so-called

alt-right back 10 years ago. He said, well, I don't see a problem with Zionism. I just want Zionism for white people here. That's all. And at one time, he challenged a rabbi at Texas A&M. I think it was a rabbi. It might have been a professor. I forget, but he challenged, I think it was a rabbi at Texas A&M and said, well, do you support open immigration to Israel? And he goes, well, of course. Oh, in fact, what he did was he sat there silent and he couldn't think of a thing to say and then he just turned around and walked away, handing the point to the Nazi to an abound national socialist. And so if Nick Fuentes really resents Israel, he ought to sidle up to them instead up to Tucker Carlson and friends. I just think, you know, especially as

someone who was very much part of the cancel culture left at one point, especially after the 2016 election. Attempting to silence people or censor people or punish people for having conversations, it doesn't work. In fact, all it does is help the very individual you are trying to crush become more and more popular. The only thing that works is engaging in debate, engaging in discussion, and, you know, sunlight really is the best disinfectant. And I just, I'm sorry, how many shows agreed to do sit-down interviews with a literal war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, who was wanted by the International Criminal Court, gave softball interviews. And this is a guy who has literally slaughtered, engaged in mass slaughter, including of children.

There's no campaign to cancel those shows, and I wouldn't want a campaign to cancel those shows. I covered some of those interviews. I critiqued those interviews, you know, substantive. And then you just get to push it. You move on, right? But this idea that it is beyond the pale for Tucker Carlson to sit down with, you know, Nick Fuentes. And again, I have huge issues with things that Nick Fuentes has said. But compare him to, again, Netanyahu who has actually killed people, wiped out entire bloodlines. No pushback on that. It's kind of amazing. Okay. So before we go, I did want to give you an opportunity to talk a little bit about your latest project. So this is the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy, which I'm super excited about. So tell me what this project is and what motivated you to launch it. Well, thank you very much. It's the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom. It's at Scott Horton Academy.com.

And it's long form courses by myself and other experts on crucial matters of foreign policy and freedom like in the title there, which is the title is also a homage to Ron Paul's book. That's a collection of great speeches he gave foreign policy and freedom there. foreign policy of freedom. Anyway, it's me giving about a 30 hour course on everything I know about America's Middle East wars for the last 45 years, essentially in my lifetime since the Jimmy Carter years, and walking you through all of that step by step and showing how it really is one long story all the way through. And I covered this stuff for a very long time. I've done more than 6,000 interviews on my show. It took me a while before I could really see the whole thing as one good

timeline where I think all I got all my puzzle pieces filled in and I'm ready to help you guys catch up. So the purpose of the thing is essentially for everybody to be as well informed on foreign policy as I am to get everybody caught up to where I've been. I've been doing this anti-war.com things and well more than 20 years now since 2004 is when I first started writing and working for them. And so I've been completely immersed in all of this and I just want everybody to be as effective of as possible. As you showed in your clip there, the Warhawks, like Bill Crystal, and he's the king of the Hawks, is the axis of Crystal, the neo-conservatives that lied us into war is what Justin Romando called him. Back then, there's a king of him, and he's worthless. He's got nothing,

and it wasn't just that I'm so great. It was that he absolutely has nothing, and it's the same with all these warhawks. I know it happens every time you go on Pierce Morgan and go up against these hawks. Every time Dave Smith or anybody informed goes up against the hawks, they get completely destroyed. And so my thing is, well, what if there were just thousands and thousands and thousands more people who are really capable of taking this stuff on? And so not everybody can sit and read 15 Chomsky books or whatever. So this is going to be me taking you through it. And then I have a bunch of great experts and a bunch of other great courses and more coming soon, including have a Lutheran scholar who is debunking Christian Zionism

and is doing a great course on that. And that'll be, you know, up there within a few weeks from now. So we're going to be adding more and more courses all the time. And I'm really proud of it. We've got a really great reaction so far, tons of subscribers and a lot of great emails of positive response. So I'm feeling really good about it. And by the way, I asked my guy and he set it up. So we got a promo code Anna for the rest of the week. until midnight Friday night you'll get 10% off. I love it. Thank you so much for that and everyone please check it out because you've just been an amazing resource for people who actually want to learn the truth about US foreign policy and its ramifications and who were actually

allied with and whether or not it makes sense for these individuals or these countries to be considered our allies. Scott, you're wonderful. Thank you so much for taking the time and being so generous with us and I hope you'll come back soon. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. All right, everyone. We're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll talk a little bit more about the panic that's ensued among the Zoran Mamdani detractors here in New York City. So that and more. When we come back, stick around.