The Young Turks - Trump Admin Cool With Immigrant Abuse And Highlights From Latest Trump Interview

Episode Date: June 25, 2019

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I've got some great, great details for you guys. And both Anna and I are going to see you there later in the week. So but let's get started because it's a big show. Yes, all right. The Justice Department under Donald Trump is fighting the Flores Amendment aggressively. Now the Flores Amendment has certain protections for migrant children who are detained at the border. Now back in 2017, following Trump's zero tolerance policy of separating children at the border, a judge ruled that the children needed to be reunited with their parents and made sure to

mention that the Flores Amendment indicates or the Flores settlement indicates that they can't just detain children indefinitely. Now the Trump administration is fighting this and one of their DOJ lawyers, her name is Sarah Fabian, spoke in front of federal judges to make her case. And in the middle of this long hearing, there was a portion dedicated to the squalor that these children are living in. And so let me give you a little taste of what that looked like. The testimony that the district judge believed was it's really cold.

In fact, it gets colder when we complain about it's being cold. We're forced to sleep crowded with the lights on all night long, and all you to put us on is the concrete floor with an aluminum blanket. I mean, I understand it's some outer boundary. There may be some definitional difficulty, but no one would argue that this is secure and sanitary, safe and sanitary. Or at least I don't think you're arguing. I think you're arguing that, are you?

Your Honor, I think what I'm arguing is that the way that the district court reached the conclusion was to say these specific items. And I think I will acknowledge I think sleep is the more difficult end of what I'm arguing. We actually have an opinion that says that it's unconstitutional to make homeless people not sleep, right? Correct, Your Honor. And I think, I mean, I do know, and I think that's part of our point, though, is that we're not talking about the constitutional standard here, and we're not talking about what CBP has implemented more broadly as its own Ted's policy. We're talking about... But are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do something other than what I've just described? Cold all night long, lights on all night now, sleep on the concrete, and you've got an aluminum foil blanket?

Are you saying that that's okay under the agreement? And two credit to lie down, which they also said. I think- I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary. So- This government would find it very conceivable. Yeah, so what's interesting is in this case, you have this DOJ lawyer arguing that the Flores settlement does not indicate that they need to provide soap, toothpaste,

you know, the tools and the products necessary for sanitary conditions. In fact, she goes even further than that, which we'll see in the next video. But Jake, do you want to jump in before we see that? So I love that part where she was like, well, sleep is on the harder end of what I'm arguing for, meaning yeah, it's pretty hard to argue that they shouldn't get sleep when this condition is safe and sanitary. So even she knows her case is absurd. The main thing she's relying on is, I don't know, it's kind of vague, which, by the way,

is what lawyers always rely on when arguing bills. They say, well, they said safe and sanitary, but what does that mean? What does sanitary really mean? And that is why the judges are drilling down here and going, are you saying that there's a way to be sanitary without soap? Are you saying there's a way to be sanitary without toothpaste? So they have to ask these absurd questions. So look, some of these conditions existed under Obama.

But here Trump is proud of this and is now defending it and his appeal to 2017 case going, no, I would, I like these conditions and I want to keep it going. Actually, so while one could argue that the Obama administration had its faults, right? Part of the issue under the Obama administration is you had unaccompanied minors coming into the country and he had to deal with it, right? And I'm not, I'm not giving him a pass. We were very critical of the way Obama handled immigration back then. But the point I want to make, and this is a distinction that I never see in the media and

it drives me crazy, is that Trump has created this problem. He has exacerbated it, and part of the way that he does that is by pushing for punitive action against any and all undocumented immigrants. So previously, if you have unaccompanied minors coming into the country seeking asylum, well, then you can look for sponsors, people in the country who could take in the children and watch them until a judge can hear them out in their asylum case. But what Trump has done is so punitive that a lot of these individuals, many of whom are not documented themselves, are unwilling to come forward and take custody of the children temporarily.

So he has made a bad problem much worse. But with that said, let's hear more from Sarah Fabian. It's within everybody's common understanding that if you don't have a toothbrush, if you don't have soap, If you don't have a blanket, it's not safe and sanitary. Wouldn't everybody agree to that? Do you agree to that? Well, I think it's, I think those are, there's fair reason to find that those things may be part of safe and sanitary. No, maybe, are a part.

What do you say maybe? You mean there are circumstances when a person doesn't need to have a toothbrush, tooth face, and soap for days? Well, I think in CBP custody, it's frequently intended to be much shorter term. So it may be that for a shorter term stay in CBP custody that some of those things may not be required. Yeah, but I don't think that was the situation that the court was confronting. I mean, it wasn't as though those people were there for 12 hours and then moved on to the Hilton Hotel. No, they were there for a fairly sustained period. And at least according to the evidence that the judge believed, they weren't getting these things for a fairly sustained.

period. So just to give you some more context, the conditions were so horrendous that reporting indicated some children didn't have diaper changes for days. They were in the clothing that they were originally in when they showed up to the border. There was no room to sleep. Many of them were unable to sleep because there was literally no bed provided. They were in crowded facilities. One of the reporters referred to the children as having, you know, snot all over the

their faces. They were filthy. The stench was, you know, unbearable. I mean, the conditions they were living in were clearly not sanitary, unsanitary. And you have this lawyer arguing as if she has no common sense, as if the federal government has no common sense as to what is or is not considered sanitary. Yeah. So I know the Trump administration is appealing the 2017 ruling. So that's what they're relying on to not fix the conditions at all, say, well, we haven't had a final decision on this. It hasn't gone all the way to the Supreme Court. But normally what should happen is when a court makes a ruling, the executive branch should then enforce that ruling. And even while appealing.

But here, Trump not only has not addressed what the court originally said, which is you cannot keep kids under this condition, it's against the law, okay, from the party of rule of law, right? Remember, Trump also said you shouldn't cooperate with law enforcement and never work with the FBI. He's proud to have never worked with the FBI. So I guess they don't care about the rule of law at all. But then on top of that, to Anna's point, he's packed in so many more kids into these areas.

So not only is it unsanitary and continues to be after all these years. But now people are dying and kids are dying. So at least six children have died since September and is it partly related to the unsanitary conditions? Yes. So a 16 year old boy from Guatemala died after he got the flu in an overcrowded facility and there was a quarantine of 32 migrants who were diagnosed the flu in that facility alone. Now this is how disease spreads.

And then what will the Trump people do? They'll then turn around and have Tucker Carlson go on TV and say, you see that, they're dirty. And they're making the country dirtier. No, you are keeping them locked up a lot of times in cages in unsanitary conditions. That is where the problem is arising from. I'm not saying that they came into the country crossing the desert and pristine condition, but our job is to maintain a minimum standard of safe and sanitary. And we're clearly failing that.

I see six kids, 24 people have died overall already in those facilities. Exactly. And rather than really focusing on what the Trump administration is doing, how many people have died, you know, the media gets distracted by this nonsense debate about whether or not you can consider, you know, those facilities concentration camps. They're concentration camps. There's no need for debate, let's move on because this is what's really going on at the border.

Yeah, and they're not death camps. That's a different term. Concentration camps is when you concentrate a lot of people in an area like this when they should not be held by the government. And that is exactly what we're doing and it is leading to these effects. So we need to address it. And I gotta say though, look, the original case came out of the Obama administration. So a lot of the establishment media didn't cover things under Obama and Bush.

Now since Trump is a well-known monster, they're covering some of these stories more. And Trump has made this situation considerably worse in all the ways that we just explained. But I wish they were covering it under Obama as well. Yeah, definitely. And I think the establishment politicians get way too much of a pass for all the monstrous things that have happened under their watch. I don't mean to put monstrous label on Obama, but he did a lot of bad things that we talked about, including the drone strikes on civilians, et cetera.

And now people are arguing that Bush was a good president compared to Trump. No, Bush started the Iraq war. It killed nearly a million innocent civilians. I mean, if Bush were president today, we would be in Iran right now. I mean- Certainly if he was still under the influence of Cheney. That's for sure. And the guys that were influencing were guys like John Bolton. And look at that, he's back in charge.

So I like that Trump is being held accountable. I hope that if and when Trump leaves, that that continues for the next president, even if they're part of the establishment. There's one other thing that I want to mention quickly about Sarah Favis. Now again, she's the DOJ lawyer in the videos that we showed you. And there's been a petition going around trying to get her disbarred. And at first, I was a little hesitant about the anger and the rage toward her. Yes, she's making ridiculous arguments on behalf of the Trump administration.

But that's what lawyers do. Lawyers sometimes represent hideous people. And so I didn't know how I felt about that until I did a little more digging on Sarah Fabian. And I found out that when a federal judge indicated that children needed to be reunified with their parents, she argued that she couldn't work on that during the weekend because she had to do some dog sitting. Yeah, I have dog sitting responsibilities that require me to go back to Colorado, but I will be back Monday.

I wonder if the kids in cages got dog sitters as well. Probably not. She's gotta go. All right, moving on to some other news. Over the weekend, both Donald Trump and Mike Pence had interviews with mainstream media outlets, and during Trump's interview with Chuck Todd, he was confronted about the fact that children are living in terrible conditions at these detention facilities at the border. Take a look.

You have children without their parents. You have kids taking care of kids. You've read these reports. I know people are coming to you. I know you think this is the Democrats' problem. Well, and forget it. Why aren't you doing some of it? Are you ready? They are in terrible shape down there, Mr. President.

Down in Homestead, Florida, that's where I grew up, it's, the conditions are terrible. I agree. And it's been that way for a long time. Do something? And President Obama built the cages. Remember when they said that I built them? And then it was 1914. Do two longs make a right?

It was 2014. Chuck, just listen for one second. Separation. President Obama, I took over separation. I'm the one that put it together. What's happened, though, are the car. and all of these bad people, they're using the kids, they're, they're, it's almost like slavery. Let's not punish the kids no more.

This has been happening. The kids are getting punished more. You're right. And this has been happening long before I got there. What we've done is we've created, we've ended separation. You know, under President Obama, he had separation. I was the one that ended it. So he's claiming he's the one who ended it, but I mean, does he think that we're suffering

from memory loss? Because it wasn't too long ago that his own attorney, was boastful about how they were about to implement a plan of family separation. Take a look. This is the wealthiest nation in the world. We have money to give toothpaste and soap and blankets to these kids in this facility in El Paso County. Right now we do. Of course we do.

So why aren't we? My point is it's all a part of the appropriations process. Congress needs to provide additional support to deal with the crisis at our southern border. Sorry about that, that was the wrong video. That's all right. Let's go to video five, which is the right video. I have put in place a zero-tolerance policy for illegal entry on our southwest border. If you cross the border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you.

It's that simple. If you smuggle illegal aliens across our border, then we will prosecute you. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. And that child may be separated from you as regards. required by law. So it wasn't required by law. They just separated all children from their parents at the border, and it was meant to be a deterrent.

And of course it didn't serve as a deterrent, people still were seeking asylum in the US. So the surprising part of that interview was that there was one eighth of what Trump said that it was accurate, which is that some of the bad conditions in these facilities did exist under Obama. The rest was total fiction, made up. He said, Obama started separating the families. That's just not true. It's not remotely true.

It's a bald-faced lie. There's no, it's slightly misleading, there's a miscommunication, no. Under Obama, sometimes kids would come in alone. So then they had to be housed. They were housed sometimes in situations that were not very good. And there was court ruling saying, you've got to make that better. Trump comes in and says, I don't care if you came in with your family, I'm going to separate you from your family.

Trump did that. He started that. There is no dispute on that at all. But the president is a pathological liar. He doesn't care what the reality is at all. So he goes on national TV, even though we all know what happened and says, no, Obama started separating the kids from their families. 100% false, a total lie.

I actually want to give Brian Stelter a little bit of credit because- Chuck Todd, no, no, not Chuck Todd. I meant Brian Stelter because one issue that we've had in the media is that the president will lie, and then media outlets, particularly print media, will take that lie and just regurgitate it and print it in their headline. Trump says Obama did that, right? And that'll literally be the headline. Well, not literally, Trump says Obama implemented child separation policy.

And then someone will just read that, read the headline, won't get into the details of the story, and they'll just believe it. I'm bringing that up because Brian Stelter called that out on his latest episode of reliable sources. So when he was giving that ridiculous excuse, Trump was, and was not taking personal responsibility for his own failures, it just made me think about how that clip is going to get picked up, how his statement is going to be used in a headline, and how so many people are misled into thinking, no, Trump isn't doing anything wrong, it was Obama, and Trump is now cleaning

up his mess. Okay, first of all, my bad for thinking that you were talking about, Stelter, when in reality, Chuck Todd, of course, looks like John Adirola. Okay, according to some, I'm not sure I believe that either. Anyway, but if you're, watch the movie about as mad as hell or if you've seen that clip, the clip where I flip out about the USA Today back in 2006, if you remember what I was flipping out about was they would just regurgitate Bush's lines and put them as giant headlines. And that one was Bush says USA safer.

So the point that Anna made on reliable sources this weekend is people are not reading into paragraph 27 to find out that the USA is not safer. When you put a giant headline that says USA safer, people think it's safer, right? That the Iraq war somehow made us safer. And in this case that when Trump says it, and oftentimes when you see a headline, you don't even, it doesn't even register in your brain that Trump said it. It's just this giant headline saying Obama started it. But that's not true. The more accurate headline, which would actually summarize the story better is, Trump again lies about Obama starting the child separation policy, because that's actually the heart

of the story. Because it used to be a big deal when the president even did a misleading statement, let alone a lie, right? You remember when they called Obama's saying that you'll be able to keep your doctor on the Affordable Care Act, the lie of the year. When in reality, it wasn't even a lie, it was a little off depending on the plan that you had, but well over 90% of people could keep their doctor, and it's just some cases you actually had better insurance, which might require you to get a different doctor.

They call that the lie of the year. Meanwhile, Trump is doing the lie of the year every other minute. And so your story should be about how the president cannot, for his life, depended on And it is kind of amazing how his supporters will just believe the same, you know, blame game that Trump and Pence do when it comes to Obama, when it comes to Congress, don't ever take responsibility, don't take personal responsibility, just blame it on Democrats in Congress, Obama, Hillary, Obama, Hillary, Hillary, Obama, Congress. I mean, they never take personal responsibility.

And you're about to see that in this next clip featuring Mike Pence. Take close attention to the way he snickers after he's asked a question. This is the wealthiest nation in the world. We have money to give toothpaste and soap and blankets to these kids in this facility in El Paso County right now we do. Of course we do. So why aren't we? My point is it's all a part of the appropriations process.

Congress needs to provide additional support to deal with the crisis at our southern border. It's Congress, it's just Congress. You know, Trump can declare a national emergency when it comes to building a wall and he can, you know, take funds, from one place and use it for the wall, but when it comes to children who are living in squalor and are dying as a result of that, no, no, we can't do anything. It's the Democrats, the Democrats are failing, they're the ones who are doing this. Come on. So I want to address two parts of that.

First of all, if you notice there, deplorable conditions, he said, of course. And Trump earlier when Chuck Todd said terrible conditions said, you're right, the kids are living under terrible conditions. It makes it sound like somebody else's precedent. Even if you thought Obama started it, okay, all right, I get it. Well, why don't you do something? Hungry now. Now?

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you're not going to get to any universal healthcare coverage. He promised that during the campaign. My guess is you're not going to get to that either. The only thing he got to was tax cuts for the rich. That was his biggest priority. Kids in cages, yeah, they're living in terrible conditions, you're right about that. Oh, Obama did it before me, okay, are you gonna do anything about it? No, no, no, no, no.

What happened to personal responsibility? None. Okay, and then he says, well, the Democrats have to act. If you're wondering, wait, Chuck Todd said that's true. He partly seemed to imply that, and I know it was a quick exchange with Trump. So what is Trump asking of the Democrats? He says he wants them to change the asylum laws and the loopholes. You know what that means?

That means he wants to be able to separate the kids from their families. He wants to be able to not listen to the Flores settlement, which dictates that you have to keep the kids under certain safe and sanitary conditions. So he's saying, look, if I'm gonna keep those kids as hostages until you change the law, and I can separate more of them from their families. Right. Well, no deal, of course we're not gonna agree to that, that would be counterproductive. But they go on TV with a straight face, that's why they're good guys and bad guys.

These guys hide their true intent and hide the facts, because they are the bad guys. If they just said what their policy was on national TV, even some of their supporters might be like, wow, I might be supporting Darth Vader. So they come out and lie about it through their teeth. So tell us what do you want? Well, I want to be able to separate the kids from their families to punish them, show them that you shouldn't come to America because we're going to punish you even harder. So that's why I'm separating the kids and keeping them under deplorable conditions. Now, if you said that, which is the truth, you would look like the monster that you really are. We got to take a break.

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slash notice. All right, so another Hoovian writes in from the members section, how How many kids need to die in DHS custody before we get a congressional investigation? Well, the answer is if Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, I literally don't know anything that Donald Trump could do that would prompt an investigation or an inquiry. So it's not that they don't inquire regularly, but in terms of an impeachment inquiry or any inquiry that has teeth and has consequences, she absolutely refuses to hold the president accountable under almost any circumstance.

That's not an exaggeration, that's where we are right now. We all know he broke the law twice, we all know all the terrible things he's done. And Pelosi says, not on my watch, I will protect Donald Trump all the way to the end, okay? So if she wants to change her mind on that, that's fine, but those are the facts as we have him right now. She says, oh, I think he's bad, he's bad, but I'm not going to do anything about it, and I'm not going to hold him accountable. Okay, and speaking of which Turkmenistan writes in, not the whole country, just someone with that handle in our member section.

Anna's pessimism slash realism is starting to resonate with me. I agree that Trump and his deplorable administration can truly get away with anything, and there will be no repercussions, certainly not from the spineless Democrats. Well, look, it's hard to disagree with you guys at this point. There's a story about how Deutsche Bank did money laundering for the Russians and Trump, and the federal investigators are looking into it. Would Pelosi do anything about that? Probably not.

If they said, oh no, this guy's a crook, he's been taking money from the Russians all along, and been doing money laundering them for them for decades. Pelosi would be like, yeah, but I'm still raising money off of him, right? I don't care. Yeah. So there is some chance that they can get him on like terrible, unbelievable law violations. And Pelosi will say, no, I will not ever do my job. So two quick things.

First of all, think about what kind of message that sense. Secondly, if the table's returned and we were dealing with a Democrat in office who was committing the same potential crimes, Do you think a Republican Congress would step back and say, no, no, we shouldn't do this. This isn't a good move. We should just wait and see if we can get them voted out of office. Look, in the Benghazi hearings, they had nine of them. Every single one of them proved that the administration didn't break any loss. But they had another one, and another one, and another one.

They had nine hearings, all concluding the same thing. They don't care. They did it anyway. Now, if they actually had law breaking, do you know what the Republicans would do? It doesn't matter, the Democrat would immediately step down from office. If they had Obama on a felony, it'd be over, over, over, over. Come on, man, Isabella last one, says if the next president does not punish the Trump administration for all their crimes, then let's not bother with laws anymore.

They must be held responsible. Well, it depends on who wins. If Biden wins, do you think there's any chance that he's going to hold Trump accountable? 0% chance. Oh, I get along. I get along with segregationists. I get along with Mitch McConnell. I get along with Dick Cheney.

I get along with Donald Trump. Look, I'm going to let him skate on everything. Now he's my friend. No, Joe, he's not your goddamn friend. Okay, so I'm clear. Let's move forward. All right, let's do our next story. The minute he closed that door, I was banged up against the wall.

He slammed you against the wall. Yeah, I hit my head really hard. Boom. That is advice columnist E. Jean Carroll. Recently, the New York Magazine published a lengthy excerpt from her upcoming book, which is titled, What Do We Need Men for? And in that, she detailed her rape allegations against Donald Trump. Now, the story did not get much attention.

This was published on Friday, and it was not a cover story anywhere. There was a lot of conversation about it on Twitter, but most mainstream news organizations didn't cover it, and I'm gonna take responsibility, we didn't cover it, but I have a reason for that. I honestly wanted to wait for the story to breathe because we don't break news, right? We do analysis and I felt that I needed to wait and see how this story was going to develop before we actually shared our opinion on it. But nonetheless, the fact that it wasn't covered by journalists who have the resources

to actually investigate and to ask the questions, they didn't really use this or treat this as a top news story last Friday. And so when I was on reliable sources over the weekend, Brian Stelter brought the topic up. Let's take a look. He came out with a statement on Friday denying that he had ever met the woman, even though the story in New York Magazine had a picture of them together at a party. So you have some of these headlines just taking the president's denial at face value and not mentioning this photograph, which had been published five or six hours earlier.

Now there's two things I don't understand, Donna, and number one is, If the president's going to put out a statement denying something, didn't he know about the picture first? Didn't someone tell him about the picture? Didn't someone tell him about the story first? Has evidence ever stopped him from lying before? Well, I guess that's part of the point. Not only does he lie with the evidence, clear evidence right in front of him, he'll continue to lie and he'll attack the media as the enemy if they report the truth about what's going on. What's devastating about this story is now there are dozens of women who have made similar allegations against him. And it appears that he has this strategy of refusing to apologize, refusing to acknowledge anything, refusing to acknowledge that he's in the wrong sometimes.

He has the strategy of do not apologize, just steamroll through. Right. And the press forgets about things, in my opinion, because the news cycle right now under this administration is flooded. Yeah. So a great point, obviously. And Colby Hall at Mediite wrote a similar piece explaining, well, the news is things that are unique. and surprising. Unfortunately, the president raping someone is no longer unique or surprising.

And that is the horrible, insane situation that we're in. So to the point that it is not unique, he has been accused of sexual assault or sexual harassment in 15 earlier cases, so this would be number 16. And is it surprising? The president on tape says, I sexually assault women, and since I'm a celebrity, I get away with it. We heard him say it with his, you know, with his own voice, although he then turns around and says, no, no, you don't believe you're lying ears, right?

And goes on to deny things that we all know to be true. And we're in this conundrum with what do we do with a guy who, yes, the whole country knows is a monster, but every time there's something new, you have to cover it, you have to cover New York Times did not put it on the new section at all. They put it under the book section, because it's in her book. And even in the book section, as other journalists noted, it was the 15th story in on Friday. Finally on Sunday, they covered it on I believe page 27, but they covered Trump's denial of it rather than the actual story.

Today the New York Times finally came out and apologized, and so that was not the appropriate way to cover it. But there's two different parts of the story. One is what he actually did. The other is how we've gotten used to what a horrible human being our president is. Any other president in my lifetime, if they were accused of rape, it would have been the biggest story of their entire administration. If they were accused of cheating on their wives, if they were accused of cheating on

their wives and using illegal campaign contributions in order to win the presidency. I mean, come on, this is part of the issue, right? It's being normalized, all of this bad behavior is being normalized. He has desensitized us to criminal activity. And the worst part about it is not only does he refuse to apologize, refuse to take responsibility, refuse to address things truthfully and honestly, but anyone who is, you know, a decent human being and admits their wrongs and apologizes and shows remorse, that person gets punished by society, right?

So what is the lesson that people learn based on the way things are going right now? Don't ever take responsibility, don't ever apologize, don't ever concede. And that is not a good lesson to learn. And by the way, and so Colby did a great job in that piece of media, and he pointed out, Lucy Flores came out with allegation, the same exact publication, New York Magazine, under the cut, and that's the woman who accused Joe Biden of smelling her hair. And he did an analysis that in the three days after that story, it was covered by cable news in that stretch of time, 150 times.

As opposed to this story, when the president is accused of rape, it was covered only 41 times. A third of Biden smelling her hair as opposed to Trump ripping her clothes off and committing rape in a dressing room. Again, even if it's just allegations, remember, they impeached Bill Clinton about not rape, not sexual assault, but that he lied about a consensual affair, okay? Pelosi won't impeach Donald Trump over actual crimes, whereas the other side did this. And look, one more thing about the depth of the lack of coverage here is that Stalin had this famous quarter attributed to him.

A single death is a tragedy and a million deaths is a statistic. In this case with Trump, one sexual assault is a tragedy, 16 sexual assaults becomes a statistic. Yes. And so that's the phenomenon that we're living in under this monster. So I want to just quickly detail what her allegations were. Again, this is an excerpt from her book. I wanted to just put out a warning for anyone who might be uncomfortable or triggered by by this type of content.

It is very detailed. But with that said, she wrote in her book, the moment the dressing room door closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. I'm so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time. And as I became aware of how large he is, he holds me against me against him. the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.

She then writes, I'm astonished by what I'm about to write. I kept laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit, jacket, overcoat. He opens the overcoat, unzips his pants and forcing his fingers down my private area, thrust his penis halfway or completely, I'm not certain, inside me. He turns into a colossal struggle. I'm wearing a pair of sturdy black patent leather four inch Barney's high heels, which puts my height around 6-1, and I try to stomp his foot. I try to push him off with my one free hand.

For some reason, I keep holding my purse with the other, and I finally get a knee up high enough to push him out off of, off, and I turn, open the door, and run out of the dressing room. So she says that she fought it, and she was able to get away, but he had already penetrated her at that point. And CNN interviewed her about this. And I just want you to hear, you know, what it was like out of her own mouth. The minute he closed that door, I was banged up against the wall. He slammed you against the wall. Yeah, I hit my head really hard. Boom. The thing is, it shocked me. It, for a moment, I was stunned, right? And then he tried to kiss me, which was repulsed. It was so hard. But so my reaction was to laugh to knock off the erotic

whatever he had going on because a man, when you laugh at him, he's like, oh, no, you know, he just went at it. And when you say went at it, you know, I mean, he pulled down my tides. And it was a fight. It was a, I want women to know that I did not stand there. I did not freeze. I was not paralyzed, which is a reaction that I could have had because it's so shocking. No, I fought. And it was over very quickly. It was against my will, 100%. And I ran away, out. She says that that was the last time she had sex. She writes that in her book as well. Yeah. So I read her whole description, not just of Donald Trump, but of the different men that she had encounters with, these 21 hideous men, as she calls them. in the excerpt that New York Magazine put out about her book.

Now, look, I mentioned the book, and so people are saying, well, she didn't do it during the election, she waited until she wrote a book. Okay, context, we give you the whole context, you could do what you want with that information, okay? On the other hand, 15 other women came out, it didn't affect the election at all. So, unfortunately for Republicans, some of Trump's hideous behavior is not the bug, it's the feature. And she talks about that too. She says, look, a lot of his followers would feel like that this is more part of his bravado

and that this would encourage them to even like him more. I don't think that that's wrong. I think some of his followers are women who when they hear the details of it might remember something that happened to them or just have empathy and go, I can't stomach this. But a lot of his followers go, no, I don't care what reality is. I don't care that it's all these different women. I'm never gonna believe anyone other than Donald Trump. And even if Donald Trump admits it, which he says, yeah, I grab them by their genitals against

their will. I kiss them. And I kiss them and they let me do it because I'm a celebrity, he said, right? They don't care, they know it. It's not like they don't know it, they know it. And it's not dependent on one woman in this case. But having read her whole thing, I have to confess that even at this late date, I still had a little bit of an enlightening experience there, an epiphany of a sort, right?

Look guys, this has happened to me throughout the course of this show, it's been 17 years, we've been on the air, and it's happened to me through the course of my life even earlier than when we started the Young Turks. looks at things from their own perspective. That's normal, but it's a big failing of all of ours. We have to start to learn to look at it from other people's perspective as well, right? And so with African Americans, I had no idea how bad it was. I'm not white, but I'm also not African American.

And so I didn't live that experience. So it seemed unbelievable to me because of my experience, I grew up in a nice suburb and the cops were there to protect us. I didn't know and had never experienced that cops in a lot of places and a lot of instances don't view it as their job to protect everyone. And the planting of evidence, the abuse, et cetera, and we can go on and on. And so when I started to hear those stories and understand those stories, it should be an obvious epiphany, but unfortunately for a lot of the country, they still don't get it, which is they're

They're not all making it up. That's insane to think they're all making it up, they're all saying it because it's true, even if it seems unbelievable to you because you didn't live that perspective. Now applying it to here, as a guy, I've not ever felt vulnerable in a situation like that. I've never had someone force themselves upon me. Hearing her stories throughout her life, one after another, after another, from a camp counselor to a guy in college, again, literally trying to rape her, to a boss at work. And she was going through all of this in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

It's still terrible now, as you can tell, right? But was even harder back then in a lot of ways. And then I realized, you know, men have this enormous privilege in a sense of not having to worry at all times about whether somebody is going to attack you and assault you. And so I'm just trying to get you to understand the perspective of women and why they might not want to come out, why they might not want to tell their story. The overwhelming pressure not to do that, that she has lived with her whole life, don't say it, just move on, everybody says just move on.

She told two witnesses at the time, they back up her story. And one of them said, you gotta go to the police, you gotta do something. The other one said, don't! He will crush you, he goes after anyone who accuses him of anything, they won't believe you and they'll ruin your career and that'll be the end of it. And if she'd come out in the 1990s when it happened, that very likely would have been the scenario. That likely would have been the end of it and it would have ended her career.

So just try to understand and empathize what these women are going through. When we come back from the break, we will give you an update on Iran and Bernie's awesome answer on Iran during his interview with Face the Name. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives, constantly monitoring us and storing and selling our data. But that doesn't mean we have to let them. It's possible to stay anonymous online and hide your data from the prying eyes of big tech. And one of the best ways is with ExpressVPN.

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Yep. Write that into Nancy Pelosi. Ian 840 says it's to access Hollywood script in action. Yes. Literally. And Benjamin Coroio on Twitter writes in, at a certain point, refusing the impeach Trump becomes an implicit endorsement of his behavior. Yep.

But yet, Nancy Pelosi still does nothing. And I'm the bad guy for saying she's not a master legislator. Okay, let's go forward. He was just doing a limited strike. Oh, just a limited strike. Oh, well, I'm sorry. That was Bernie Sanders during his interview with Face the Nation over the weekend. He was talking about Trump's strategy or lack thereof when it comes to Iran.

And as we all know, tensions have escalated between the Trump administration and Iran. In fact, Trump has just implemented additional sanctions against Iran, which I will detail for you in just a minute. But what really stood out to be about this interview was the fact that Bernie Sanders was speaking specifically about foreign policy, something that he's not necessarily known for. He's very strong when it comes to economic and domestic policy. But the way he would handle Iran is spot on, and I want you to hear from him. Take a look.

I want to ask you about Iran. Good. Was President Trump's decision this week to call off that strike the right one? See, it's like somebody setting a fire to, uh, to, uh, to, uh, was President Trump's decision this week to call off that strike, a basket full of paper and then putting it out. He helped create the crisis and then he stopped the attacks. The idea that we're looking at a president of the United States who, number one, thinks that a war with Iran is something that might be good for this country.

He was just doing a limited strike. Oh, just a limited strike. Oh, well, I'm sorry. I just didn't know that it's okay to simply attack another country with bombs, just a limited strike. That's an act of warfare. God damn that strong. I love his no-nonsense approach, and I feel like he's become more aggressive in that approach

this time around. I don't know if that's gonna rub some people the wrong way. I know that the optics do matter, especially when he's speaking to a woman, but I think he handled that perfectly, right? No, no, look, that has, I criticized myself for that issue last week. I don't think that's the case here at all. I think it's patronizing to female reporters if you don't treat them as aggressively as male reporters.

Totally agree, 100%. Okay, so in this case, look, I actually think that it's great that Trump called off the strikes. I said that last week. But is Bernie right that he set the fire in the first place? Of course, of course, he shouldn't have ripped up the peace deal we had with them. They didn't have access to uranium that could make weapons. It was already solved. There was nothing to solve.

But he's such an egomaniac and he hates Obama so much that he was like, Obama made the deal, I'm ripping it up. I'm going to do a better one. And so now Iran is saying, okay, look, Europe, you ripped up the deal, you stopped doing it. We kept following it. Then you put sanctions on us, and now you're putting extra sanctions on us. So if you want us to come back and give you more in the deal, well, you gotta give us more in the deal. That's how deals work, right?

But Trump doesn't understand. He's like, no, me want more, me want more. And then so he was threatening these strikes. And she steps in and she does what unfortunately a lot of establishment media does all the time. Hey, hey, hey, we're just doing limited strikes here, right? What was the need for that interjection, right? That is her saying it's not a big deal. And him coming out aggressively and saying, no, bombing another country is a huge deal

and an act of war, it's about damn time that somebody challenged these establishment reporters on their constant cheerleading for warfare. Now, I'm sure in Brennan's mind, the way she interjected was meant to challenge Bernie. But in reality, what she did there was regurgitate talking points from the Trump administration. What is a limited airstrike? That is an act of warfare, as Bernie Sanders perfectly laid out in that clip. It is an act of warfare. Do you think that that's going to de-escalate the situation?

No, it's going to push us further in the direction of war. And I'm glad that he held back and he didn't implement those airstrikes. I'm sure something that very much frustrated John Bolton and Mike Pompeo, who are actually angry right now that Trump is implementing more sanctions as opposed to pursuing military action. I wanna say one more thing about Margaret Brayette. Look, I don't think that she's, you know, some part of cabal where she loves having wars. No, I don't think that. But is she part of the same group think that almost all the established media is?

Yes. So when, so I now prove that to you with this framing. She thinks, no, when we're going to do strikes, and it's more of a neoconservative thing than it is a Trump thing. So, and there, and a lot of the media is more opposed to Trump than they are to the The neo-conservatives, they let the neo-conservatives walk us right in Iraq. And right now, a lot of the media's out there going, well, I mean, Trump wasn't tough. Trump waffled on this, right?

But look, so the framing is, she says, well, they were limited strikes. Now if Iran dropped a bomb in the middle of America, would Margaret Brennan or anyone in the establishment media just say, hey, that was just a limited strike? Oh, they bombed a nuclear facility in the middle of Texas, and they killed 150 people. Not a big deal, it's just a limited strike. Would you imagine her interrupting a politician in the middle of them saying Iran attacked us in Texas and they're going, hey, hey, it was a limited strike? I can't imagine that.

Of course you can't imagine it. That's the pro-war group thing where we're allowed to bomb other countries and we think they're never going to retaliate and that it's not going to lead to endless wars. Well, it does and it has over and over again. So let's hear a little more from Sanders. In this next clip, he specifically addresses how important Congress's role is. in making these decisions. You know, let's remember what we learned in civics, you know, when we were kids.

It is the United States Congress under our Constitution that has warmaking authority, not the President of the United States. If he attacks Iran, in my view, that would be unconstitutional. So if you are commander-in-chief, you will ask Congress for permission before you engage in any kind of military action? Look, there are some times of emergency situations. Okay, that I understand. Defense of actions. Yeah, if you're attacked immediately, you have to respond.

Nobody believes that we are in that type of emergency situation with Iran right now. So I'm going to do everything we can to stop that one. And what the function of a president should be is the say to Saudi Arabia, which, by the way, is a horrific dictatorship, a brutal dictatorship that kills dissidents, that treats women as third-class citizens. Our job is the state of Saudi Arabia. You know, we're not following your lead. You're going to have to sit down with Iran.

We will play a role. Work it out. Okay, so first real quick on Margaret Brennan, that's a perfectly legit question. It's a good question. I'd ask the same thing. Wait, when you're president, how are you going to handle this situation? And Bernie makes a good distinction. Well, is it truly defensive and you have to act immediately?

Or is it like this where you have a peace deal, you tear up a peace deal, then you provoke them, and then you choose to attack them by going on the offense? That's in that case that you're starting a war and you should ask Congress, right? So his distinction is right. But what I loved more was what he said about Saudi Arabia. And he kept on talking in that interview and he said, I just don't want to be part of the Saudi war efforts. That's not the point of the United States of America. Yeah.

Exactly right. In fact, we have one more clip and I think he gets into it here. So let's take a look. I would say to Iran, I would say to Saudi Arabia, I would say to Israel, I would say to the other countries in that region. You know what? You have been at war in one way or another for decade after decade after decade. And by the way, your wars have not only impacted your own people,

they have impacted the United States to the tune of trillions of dollars and 5,000 lost lives. We will play a role in bringing you together. And if you need economic aid, we will provide the economic aid. We will provide the resources. But we're not simply going to give more and more weaponry to Saudi Arabia. to Israel, we're gonna try to bring people together for what I admit, Margaret, I admit it will not be easy. So he wants to approach it from a more diplomatic standpoint, stop selling weapons, and that is,

I think, a popular position, especially given the public's response to this escalation toward Iran. Now, Trump, to give him a little bit of credit, seems to really want a deal. So remember, the Iran nuclear deal was specifically meant to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. But Trump wants to negotiate a deal with Iran that would include other provisions, maybe stop with some of the proxy wars, stop with the missiles that are being fired at other countries. I get that, right?

But the way he's trying to do it, I think could easily, like, we can find ourselves in war because it's just stoking tension. So what he's doing right now is he's implementing more sanctions, as I mentioned. He's trying to squeeze Iran economically. There were already sanctions in place, but this latest round of sanctions target specific people, including the Ayatollah, the foreign minister in Iran, and other members of the Iranian National Guard, right? So all of those people will no longer be allowed to use international banking, their assets

will be frozen, and he's hoping that this will bring them to the table. and lead to a better negotiation. I don't know if that's going to happen. But what I do know is with Bolton and Pompeo in his ear, pushing him in the direction of war, it is very conceivable that we'll head in that direction. Yeah, I don't think these new sanctions help at all. The new sanctions are going after freezing the accounts of some of the top leadership in Iran, which is only going to agitate them.

And as the Iranians are saying, you're not giving us anything in return. All you do is heap on extra punishment, extra sanctions, and you keep provoking us to what end? So what do you want that we didn't already gave you? We gave you all of our uranium. So you haven't even made clear what you want, and then let alone what you're gonna give us in return. See, that's how deals are normally done.

So is another way I think of Bolton and Pompeo are tricking the idiot into a war. Now MSNBC drives me crazy. So they have some good hosts like Chris Hayes who speak out against the war, I think Rachel did on one or two occasions, but they had a panel today talking about, oh, is Tucker Carlson going to be the new secretary of defense? I can't believe Trump's listening to Tucker Carlson, telling him not to go to war with Iran. Take yes for an answer. Tucker is saying don't go to war with Iran and he's having influence with Trump.

What do you want him to do? Stop listening to that guy and start listening to Bolton? So sometimes the way they war monger is maddening. Yeah, well, for them, I mean, it's just, I get it, right? Trump is a hideous, terrible person, but sometimes the hate for Trump blinds them from sound commentary. So they're so obsessed with attacking Trump or attacking Tucker Carlson that they won't give credit where credit is due.

Do not goad the Trump administration into war. You don't want war. So again, credit where credit is due. Don't try to make him out to be like a weak person on national security. You're trying to push him toward invading Iran? It makes no sense. So finally, that leads to foreign policy, which is almost not been discussed at all in the presidential campaign on the Democratic side.

So we have finally begun to discuss it. And so right now, there's a lot of folks I'd love to find out more about their foreign policy. I know the history of it, but what is their current stance, right? And some I don't even know the history of it. I don't know Andrew Yang's foreign policy almost at all. Next time we interview him, I'll certainly ask a lot more about that. Elizabeth Warren, we need more clarity.

But Bill de Blasio, which is the mayor of New York, great progressive in a lot of ways, but I don't know enough about his foreign policy. Now the person, people who we do know about, Mike Revelle obviously never wants to go into these wars, Tulsi Gabbard clearly against wars, and definitely, and just introduced legislation against this war in particular. And now you see Bernie, crystal clear, he's not going to get into stupid, senseless wars of the Middle East. And he says, look, if people want to get our weapons, whether it's Saudi Arabia or

Israel who are allies, we're perfectly happy to make economic deals, but they have got to come to the table. They don't come to the table. Why are we encouraging endless wars? Well, so far, I love that. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to detail how much of a difficult time Buttigieg is having in his own town of South Bend, and we have more stories for you.

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