The Young Turks - Trump Applauds Criminal Republican Candidate And Beto O'Rourke Talks Ted And Trump

Episode Date: October 20, 2018

Trump spoke at a rally and condoned violence against a journalist. Beto O'Rourke talks about impeaching Trump and his regrets about trash talking Ted Cruz. Get exclusive access to our best content. http://tyt.com/GETACCESS Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. It's Friday. You know what's going to happen. Drop it. Power, power, power, power, power panel. Okay, John, I, Alo, la, la, la, uh, Jake. We were working together for seven years, almost. Okay, I'll get it one day.

So, and Naira Hawke for the first time, at least with me, yes. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay, great to have you here. Naira's on Series XM, where we first got started, and I've had about 17 different shows throughout all the years, and was formerly a senior director in the White House and State Department. Fancy, chamancy title, right? That is. Fancy.

Back when the State Department meant something. Yes. Yeah. Back when it stated. And had people in it. And it had diplomacy. So that's pretty neat. I wanted to ask you one quick question about that.

So what does a senior director in the White House do? Right? Exactly. Right. Some of it I have to say it is give them a fancy title because they're in the White House so they can have some authority over all the other minions that are in the government. No, but my job there was actually, it was kind of keep all the trains running on time, and a lot of it is doing what the Trump administration is not doing right now.

He's like actually coordinating policy, talking to different branches of the government, and be like, oh, we have this thing we want to do in immigration. We probably should get some people around the table to discuss it, all the people where the things matter. So we don't end up with everyone being surprised about children being separated at the border. It's like child immigration, the unaccompanied minors, these are some of the issues I worked on. I worked with all the national security agencies kind of keeping us on the same thing.

same page. And so it really breaks my heart to see how we're not working all one team, one fight when it comes to what we do overseas. Yeah, although sometimes I, since the Trump administration, I don't agree with their goals, I welcome their incompetence. So I like when Trump randomly tweets something and everybody else in the government goes, what? They're not exactly the most effective about implementing anything, at least on the domestic

front so far. It's more of like what they're undoing and unraveling, right? So domestically, they're unraveling all these great. things we had about protecting the environment and, you know, keeping our food safe, just basic things that call regulations and they give them a bad rap. And overseas are just, you know, thumbing their nose at all of our friends and allies and people who want to work with us. And instead, just making building relationships with rogue assassins apparently.

Yeah, yeah. Well, people are tagging the media both at home and abroad, as we're about to tell you guys. And a little bit later on the program, and by the way, also at Politicon, two panels, What's Next for Liberals and Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran? I assume you're in the anti-bombing contingent of that panel. Generally speaking, I prefer not to start with bombing people. Right. This is just how I roll.

Well, so Bill Crystal's at Politicon in a bunch of panels and on a panel with Anna. Is he on the bomb? We're on the same panel, and we were just on a panel on CNN together, too, where we really agreed. That's how bad the Saudis are. He and I were, I mean, we are spectrums apart when it comes to foreign policy and just politics, but we're like, no, yeah, this actually is really horrible and bad for America. Yeah.

That's the beauty of the Trump administration. It's bringing us all together. Don't worry on that panel. You guys will be back to disagreeing. And I think actually the What's Next for Liberals, I think Sally Cohn is on that as well, who was on yesterday's episode of The Damage Report, which you should download in podcast form on iTunes or Android. And I'm also going to do another one they just added me into called Muslims and miniskirts. I'm not wearing a miniskirt right now under this table.

I may or may not tomorrow. We'll see. Interesting. They did not invite me to that one. No. No. So, by the way, in the second hour, Roland Martin, so that's going to be great as well. And I should give you a plug on Politicon since we just talked about it, how to get tickets,

because we're doing some sort of giveaway. It's important. Here we go, t.yt.com slash Politicon, and you sign up to get for a chance to win tickets to Politicon, which would be pretty neat. and I will be debating Tucker Carlson there, so ought to be interesting. By the way, sort of last minute thing, I might be doing a panel at it. Oh, is that right? I'm talking to someone.

I'm not sure if I want to. Okay. Just because of the particular situation. Anyway, it might happen. We can put you in a Muslim miniskirts one if you'd like to join. That would be awesome, actually. Actually, I remember, so I did a little bit of studying in Egypt, and at some of the universities, they had old photos of, like, some of the administrators who went to school in Egypt

back in the 70s, and they show, and they've got long hair and mini skirts and everything like that and obviously things had changed so much. So that's some of the conversation is, is that what's perception, what's reality, how do everyday Muslims really kind of sort of look? Yeah, yeah. Let's just note the humble brag that just happened, and we can move forward, that's okay. It's only brought up a thousand times. Okay, anyways, 17 days before the election, don't forget to vote, you got to vote.

I know we gotta get to the stories and I'm gonna tell you the little bit later story I'm Beto. Did he apologize one more time? Oh, no, don't do it. Oh, no, don't do it. All right, anyways, but I read something this morning, three things that are discouraging about the state of the vote and two that are very encouraging. So three are, unfortunately, in early voting, young people are not voting nearly in the numbers

that were expected or needed for Democrats to gain control. Latinos also not voting in the numbers that were hoped for. The Republicans' lack of energy not happening. They are still fully energized. All three of those are pretty bad. But on the upside, Democratic energy in early voting and just about every other metric is literally record breaking. So never been this high.

And so, and when you combine primary voting, special election voting and early voting, it appears that the wave is coming. But you gotta show up, brothers and sisters, if you don't. The Republicans always show up, I mean, you gotta give them that. When it comes to the vote, they always deliver. So the only, but there's a lot more Democrats in the country, all you gotta do is show up and vote, that's the main thing. All right, that's my public service announcement for the day.

Later, we'll give you a center to vote in that Cruz O'Rourke thing, but I'll show you that again, and we'll tell you where, how much you guys funded it. That's a little bit later in the program. All right, John. Okay, let's turn to more awesome news. It is campaign season, so Donald Trump, as he's been doing a lot of recently, went to Montana to hold a rally for himself. But while he was talking about himself, he also briefly mentioned the congressman in that area

who needed his help, and that is Greg Gianforte. Now if you remember Gianforte, it's probably because just days before his special election, he violently assaulted a reporter. Apparently Donald Trump remembers him for that same thing, as you'll see in this clip. Never wrestle him. You understand that? Never. Any guy that can do a body slam, he's my guy.

He's my guy. I shouldn't say that you're not, but there's nothing to be embarrassing. So I was in Rome with a lot of the leaders from other countries talking about all sorts of things. And I heard about it. And we endorsed Greg very early, but I had heard that he body slammed a reporter. And he was way up, and he was way up, and I said, oh, this was like the day of the election or just before, and I said, oh, this is terrible, he's going to lose the election. Then I said, well, wait a minute, I know Montana pretty well.

I think it might help him, and it did. That's awesome. Okay, so I am going to come at this from probably a different point of view than all. other pundits. And so everybody's shocked and chagrined for very understandable reasons that we'll all get into. I want to note in the beginning that it is actually not bad politics. And so that's the unacceptable part, but you got to know the reality in order to adjust to it, okay?

So and I have literally told Democrats in Montana, progressives that are running that care about my opinion, don't ever call him the body slammer because it sounds cool, yes. A compliment. Yeah. This is the state that elected Jesse Ventura to be there. their governor, right? A former wrestler. No, that was Minnesota.

Okay. But close. But Montana, Minnesota starts, a very similar start. So, no, but yes, in terms of populist appeal, Trump is the W.W.E. President, okay? They treat him like he's Hulk Hogan, and I've explained this before, that Jim Acosta, The CNN reporter, in this case, the crowd started looking at him when Trump pointed to the press and said, you know, as he was saying, you know, about the body slam, et cetera. And a bunch of people started doing this to Jim Acosta, like, we're gonna body slam you.

Apparently one guy did this and ran his thumb across his throat. But in a lot of these rallies afterwards, they go up to Acosta and ask for his autograph. So why in that world do they do that? he's a heel, it's a soap opera, it's WWE. And so, and that's why, look, certainly for Republican voters, I don't think it plays poorly, okay? And for a lot of independence, the most important thing is independents, right? So that's why I counsel people to, don't call him a body slammer, call him the criminal Gianforte, because he is, he's like, now he's he pled guilty, he's a convicted criminal

for assaulting a reporter. That's your preface. Now let's talk about how terrible it is that you're encouraging violence against reporters. Because it's not actually WWE, it's the real world where there's real violence. Like for example, a reporter was just dismembered and beheaded. I mean, of all the times to celebrate a political figure physically assaulting a reporter, He has no sense at all, right after Khashoggi to go and celebrate assaulting reporters is unreal.

And it's not that long ago that someone went into the Capitol Gazette newsroom and gunned down multiple reporters. Like it's one thing, like yes, maybe some of the fans see him as a heel, but there's other people who like Donald Trump and like his politics and think every once in a while about murdering journalists in America. And it scares me that he gets so much cover, like Fox News is gonna love that, I agree totally. It's great politically. If he told them that they should go out and kill Libs, that would be pretty good for him politically

too, probably. I don't think that there's any bottom level to this. It's just terrible that this is where we've gotten to and that there are so many people providing cover for him. Well, give him bread and give him circuses, right? This is what he's doing. He is giving them exactly what feels good in the moment. And it feels good to start a fight, I guess, or to pick a fight with somebody.

And maybe it feels good to be a bully for the near term. But it's not a great long-term strategy for, I don't know, actually building a civilization. that's going to work well in the future. Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, you see the ridiculous hypocrisy, both from individuals and from his side generally. So Eric Trump went in, I think a two-day period from saying, Eric Holder saying when they go low, we kick him. That is just uncivil and that is what is wrong with America. My dad's saying the body-slimbing is awesome. People don't want someone who's going to carefully

just deliver their talking points. They want someone real. And there's no inconsistency between those, he says specifically. And then, in general, what are you getting from the right these days? The left wing is a violent mob. They are coming for you, they're violent out of control. Isn't it awesome when our guy body slammed a journalist, isn't that great? Isn't it great when the proud boys roamed through the streets of New York beating people? Isn't it great when the prayer patriots stocked sniper rifles on the top of parking structures

before protests? Isn't that awesome against those left wings, man, they're a real mob, they're real dangerous, coming for you. And if they're not a mob, then they're nerds who deserve to get beaten up. At the same time. Because they're too intellectual, right? They're soy boys. They think too much about things.

Yeah, so. What a ridiculous country we live in. I know. And what drives me crazy is not the right wing hypocrisy. I'm enormously used to it. And look, they don't live in the fact-based world, so then they can have any fantasy they like. And so for you and I, it might seem irrational to think, well, how could you call the fact-based world? How could you call the protesters, just protesters who were loud with their voices in the

Kavanaugh situation, a mob, but celebrate violence that your side does? Literally like, I mean, you saw the video, they're cheering, like, yeah, let's beat up people and insult them. They left some mob. So to us, that makes no sense. To the right wing, just for all of you out there who are progressives or rational people, you gotta let go. You gotta let go of trying to figure them out.

There is no figuring them out. They just don't mind holding two different thoughts at the same time. They don't mind being hypocrites. And they don't care to be fair to you. You're constantly trying to figure out how to be fair to them. And wait, that doesn't make sense. They don't care about fairness. That's not their game.

Their game is we punch you in the face. And if you bother to speak back to us, mob, mob, let's go put them. And why did they say mob? One, they live in a fear-based world, and they want their voters to vote based out of fear. And two, they believe in fascism. So at some point, if you ever do anything back to them, great, lock them all up, put them away, it's an easy, ready made excuse. It's how they want to handle law and order in the United States too.

It's all part and parcel of the same, like, well, it's fine to arrest people unless you're coming after me, but they want to be in that position of power to be able to do that, right? Transparency does not play well for them. And transparency, whether it's body cams or transparency of reporters, it's never going to be something that they're in favor of, no matter how much of a principle of democracy it is. Yeah. So to, but to finish the thought, but what drives me crazy is the press.

Because all right, I get the right wing. I understand them, I think, better than most folks certainly that do this for a living. But apparently everybody in the mainstream media does not understand them. They keep thinking, no, no, it's 50-50, it's 50-50. We're going to put out their talking points and we're going to put out the other side and we're going to let you decide. No. No, there is no let you decide.

Give us the facts, not 50-50. If the facts are not 50-50, don't call it 50-50. If the Lakers won and the Celtics lost, don't say the Celtics say they won and the Lakers say they won, right? Well, who won? Who's right? Who's actually in favor of assault? I mean, after this, it is astoundingly clear.

No one should ever write in an article or say on television again, both sides do it. No, one side ran over somebody and murdered them in Charlottesville. This guy celebrated by saying there are very fine people on that side. He's told people to punch people out at his rallies. He's now celebrating the assault of a reporter. The next time any right winger ever says mob on television, every single anchor is obliged to correct the record and say, no, your president is in favor of violence. He celebrates violence.

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I'll tell you why, because they're afraid of Republicans. voters. I mean, they're also afraid of Republican politicians. They're also afraid of Republican pundits. But my God, if I offend my Republican voters, they might not watch me. They're not watching you anyway, they're already at Fox News. And that's not how you're supposed to run an organization that's based on reporting and journalism. You're supposed to actually care about the truth and not worry about your ratings.

Yeah. And yet the New York Times did like a write-up of the Proud Boys guy. So we covered that on the show yesterday, John, and Anna and I was very animated about The New York Times did a terrible, terrible job of covering Gavin McGuinness, the founder of the Proud Boys. They said that he was like nerd chic or something like that. What do you, nerd? And we ran a video over a minute long of him saying over a dozen times, I'm in favor

of violence talking about shooting people, choking people. And it was not a joke and it was not anything, it was straight up, I want violence. By the way, you know, the reason he's in the news is because they went and he gave a speech in New York at a respectable Republican club in New York. They said, oh, well, the founder or the president of the club said, no, it was all civil discourse. You know what the speech was about? Celebrating the murder of a socialist in Japan by a fascist.

They even reenacted it. They reenacted the murder of a socialist by a fascist. And the Republican Party in New York celebrated that with Gavin McGinnis. Oh, both sides do it. Are you kidding me? It is massively disproportionate. The right wing believes in violence. So I, you know, it's ironic here because he attacks the press physically and what do they

do? I'm now criticizing the press and there's a giant difference. And by the way, they will call that even. I don't want you assaulted, I want you perfectly safe, but I want you to do your job. He doesn't want you to do your job. Every time you call it 50-50, you aid and abet Donald Trump in his attacks on the truth and on journalism. It's stuff like this that really worries me, the unilateral surrender on our part on issues

like this, and not just with that profile, but any, I mean, how many different profiles of like, you know, white supremacists are just like you and me, you know, they like mayonnaise. Let's take these people who are the outliers of civilization that we really don't want to promote and let's humanize them. Like, we're not humanizing any of the other people that are in trouble in this country right now, right? Like, there's no way that a Black Panther movement would have gotten that kind of coverage from the New York Times.

Oh, yeah, absolutely, no way. And by the way, last thing, do you know why GM40 body slimed him in the first place? Because the reporter for the Guardian, Ben Jacobs, had he done something outrageous? Had he asked him about his personal life, had he said something offensive? No, he asked him about a CBO score. They had scored the health care bill that the Republicans were planning on passing, and it said that, yes, it would take away coverage for preexisting conditions. Now, GF14 was assiduously avoiding that question throughout the campaign because he was going to vote with the Republicans.

In fact, he was caught on tape telling donors, of course I'm going to vote with the Republicans and take away health care from my citizens. But he didn't want to say it before the election because people like health care. They want to be able to have health care, right? So since the reporter asked them a great substantive question that he didn't want to answer, he's like, oh, I got a great idea. Instead of getting in trouble by letting people know that I'm going to rob them of their health insurance and they're going to die if they vote for me, instead I'll do more violence and I'll just buy slam the guy and nobody will ever ask me about health care anymore because

now we'll be talking about how I'm a body slammer. And that probably will help me. So every time you forget why the question was asked in the first place and why he committed that criminal act against that reporter, in a sense, they win. And never forget that he did the violence in the first place because GM40 is an animal who doesn't know how to think and can't debate or answer questions like a human and resorts of violence like an animal does. Am I clear enough?

I don't think I called it 50-50. Last night, Beto O'Rourke participated in a CNN town hall, and he was asked about Ted Cruz's recent attempts to paint him as a far-left extremist for one particular reason, because of his support for impeaching Donald Trump. He was asked to follow up on that, and here's what he said. There may be an open question as to whether the president, then the candidate, sought to collude with the Russian government in 2016. But to quote George Will, very conservative columnist, when we see,

He saw him on that stage in Helsinki, defending Vladimir Putin, the head of the country that attacked our democracy in 2016, instead of this country and its citizens and this amazing democracy, that was collusion in action. You may have wondered when he fired James Comey, the principal investigator, into what happened in that election, whether that was an attempt to obstruct justice. But when by broad daylight on Twitter, he asked his Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end the Russian investigation, I would say that's obstruction in action. Ultimately, however, Dana, this is a political question.

A Republican colleague of mine in the House will have to come before an audience like this and explain to her constituents or his constituents how they just voted to impeach the president of their own party, how they put their country ahead of their career or their next election or the politics of the moment. The best course to get there so that every member has all the facts and that they are compelling enough to do the right thing is to allow the full independence and integrity of the Bob Mueller investigation. You've already said, even though that's not done, that you would vote to impeach. And so, according to the Constitution, that means that the president has committed the crime of treason, bribery, or a high crime and misdemeanor.

Which one of those do you think the president has committed? I would liken impeachment to an indictment. There is enough there to proceed with the trial for a full vetting of the facts. So I thought that he had a really good response there. Seems reasonable if you've been paying attention on what's been going on. What's interesting, of course, is that his initial comments that led to Ted Cruz bringing it up at the debate a few days ago. And now this fallup, in both cases, he didn't bring it up. So Dana Bash, of course, obviously coming from a similar side as Ted Cruz, like they are trying to get him to talk about.

And I think that he sounds quite reasonable. But again, this is not something that he is like personally trying to campaign on. Yeah, I like that answer to that. I thought that was strong. And when I read the headline, and they just had one quote about the indictment quote that you guys just saw, I was worried that he didn't back it up with facts. But he did, you know, when I watched the video, you guys all just saw. He explained it, to me, the most compelling part of it. And by the way, I don't know how I would vote on impeachment if I was in Congress now.

I'm curious what you guys think. So, look, there's all these things where he's violated the emoluments clause and he has all these conflicts of interest all across the world. I think that's a legitimate issue is he trying to profit from the office. But Beto's reasoning is, I think, perfectly sound, which is, it is an indictment. It's not a conviction of the president. It's not throwing him out of office to impeach him. The House impeaches the Senate convicts, and you need two-thirds of the Senate to convict. And so, do you have enough evidence?

Well, he fired James Comey and said on national television, I fired him because of the Russia investigation. Well, if you fire the guy investigating you, that is by definition obstruction of justice. So I'm very curious what Mueller has, but we all saw the obstruction with our own eyes. Then he said, Jeff Sessions, I want to fire him because he didn't recuse it because he recused himself from the case. I wanted him to end the Russian investigation. Well, that's two times. He admitted publicly that he wanted to obstruct justice.

So is that enough to indict him in essence by impeaching him in the house? Yeah, perfectly good argument to make on that. So I don't think this is an outrageous thing. I think that they should defend that even more. Well, that's Congress's basic function. It's oversight of the executive branch. Do the oversight. Look into these things.

Stop burying them. Stop dismissing the reports. Actually do your job. I think that is a very reasonable thing for Democrats to get behind of why they need to take back the House. I do think that Ted Cruz, they do have higher Republican registration. They see Donald Trump as their guy. So when they try to get a Democrat to say, I want to impeach Trump, they're like, look, see, they hate us, they're after us.

They're trying to play the emotional game. And I like Beto's answer. He's like, no, this is part of a bigger legal process and part of what our job is supposed to be in Congress. Yeah, I agree strategically. Because if you listen to him at, you know, his own events, at the town hall generally at the debate with Ted Cruz, I mean, he is talking about a laundry list of different issues that affect generally economically Texans across Texas. That is what he wants to actually campaign on. I also would vote, though, but I would probably do it for the monuments. I think that very often, including up to right now with Saudi Arabia, his own personal

financial interest is driving U.S. policy, and that is completely unacceptable. Well, since we're all pretending we're in Congress, I would demand that he releases tax records, right? It shouldn't take a private newspaper to be getting all this information out there about what his legal liabilities and what its financial liabilities are. That's something he should have been able to release, and the IRS should have done that a long time ago. The good news is if the polls are anywhere near right, the Democrats will regain the house,

and when they do, they can get his tax records. So, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. I don't even tick, tick, tick, tick, because it's not guaranteed that it's going to happen. All right, let's see what happens. God help us if it doesn't happen. I hear you, hey, listen, don't get me wrong, vote and get this shirt at shopt.com. Okay, but- Do you want to turn now to possibly your favorite? One more quick second on the impeachment.

Look, the Democrats run away from the issue because they're afraid it's going to energize Republican voters. Everything energizes Republican voters. Stop panicking about that. So since you run away from the issue, what it does is it never allows you to explain why you would be in favor of impeachment and the things that Donald Trump has done wrong. That's why I love that answer by Beto, because for the first time, I don't know if it's the first time, but one of the very few times on television, you had a Democrat clearly explain

obstruction of justice. And how that's a crime, and Donald Trump has committed that crime. You almost never hear that case because the Republicans, Democrats are afraid of their own shadow and have basically ran away from that issue. And you also don't hear about it because Foxy's has been covering that caravan for the past 48 hours, basically. Okay, let's turn to another issue. In the last debate against Ted Cruz, Beto O'Rourke actually called him lying Ted, something he

had avoided doing previously, despite it being teed up for him by the president in the last Republican primary. He was asked about that at last night's town hall, and he seemed to backtrack just a little. I decided that I could either spend the rest of the debate responding to every single dishonest thing that he said, or I could make sure that everyone understood exactly what he's doing. I said, look, he's dishonest. It's one of the reasons that he got tagged with this nickname, and that nickname resonates because it's true. But I got to tell you, it's not something that I feel totally comfortable with. And perhaps in the heat of the moment, I took a step of too far.

You regret it? You know, I don't, I don't know that that's the way that I want to be talking in this campaign. So that really seems to buttress what you had been saying earlier about, he just doesn't necessarily have it in him. Ben said that on the damage report earlier this week as well. Yeah. Nah, I hate that answer. That's backtracking and that's apologizing and that shows terrible weakness.

So I love this impeachment answer, he is incredibly strong on some of the policy issues. most of the policy issues, and he's a million times better than Ted Cruz. But our job is to call it like it is, and that's to me is a terrible answer. Why is everyone so afraid of calling these people liars? You don't see it in headlines, you don't see it in reporting. If it's not a fact, it's a lie. I mean, it's one or the other, which one is it? Why is it just emotionally so difficult?

No. That's a great question, and I think I have the answer, which is that in Washington, the number one rule is you must be civil to everyone else in the elite. Now, and that's a mistake that the crown prince of Saudi Arabia made because Khashoggi by being a Washington Post columnist became part of the US elite as he lived in Virginia. So dismembering and beheading people, well, Saudi Arabia actually does that fairly routinely. All the time. Yes, and no one cares.

In Yemen, they've butchered civilians, thousands upon thousands of civilians. No one cares. You do it to the elite, whoa, you got a problem. But it's not just, I mean, what they did to him obviously was as extreme as it gets. A simple insult to the elite is considered on television and in the media to be a far greater offense than any killing of civilians abroad or anything along those lines. So lying, saying that someone is miscommunicated, okay, maybe if you're really on the edge pervaricated, misled, right?

Being obsequious. Right. But lying implies intent, bad intent, which is exactly what Ted Cruz has. So that's why you should say it. And guess what voters prefer? What you being honest about it and call it like it is? Woters would much rather have you say that Ted Cruz is a liar than apologize for it or call it prevarication.

I mean, come on, man, don't live in the beltway. So in the debate, he did call him a liar, that was good, but the second part of his problem with his answer right there was that, no, you actually should have backed it up throughout the debate. He said, I didn't want to keep talking about it throughout the debate. Why? You're in a debate with him. We covered the debate live for our members, right?

TYT.com slash join to become a member and get all those play-by-play analysis whenever those things are happening, Kavanaugh hearings, this, et cetera. And during that coverage, John and I were talking about, and Anna, hey, you know, you. Look, he just lied again. Please counter him. Show how it wasn't true. And Beto kept pulling his punches, pulling his punches, and here he is again pulling his punches. It's a terrible idea.

And it's not going to play well in Texas. It may play well in Washington, D.C. They're like, oh, that was a very good polite answer. But Texans aren't known for one of polar punches. Exactly right. And they don't want someone to represent them that pulls their punches. And that's what scares me a little bit about Beto's popularity with everyone else. And I love seeing Beto signs in the most random parts of the country.

But he's got to turn out Texan voters. And Texan voters, unfortunately, are not registered in the numbers and don't turn out. They're actually the lowest voting participation rate in the country is Texas. So let me show you the ad we're running in case you ever seen it yet, because Beto's not going to run this ad. So we decided we're going to do it, and you guys are helping fund it. And I'm going to show you how much you guys have given so far and how much we've shown it to people in Texas so far. But here's the ad that we're running against Ted Cruz. This is Ted Cruz.

That's him phone banking for Donald Trump. After Trump called his wife ugly. Look at him. What kind of a man does that? Oh yeah, Trump also said his father was probably a murderer. He made calls on behalf of Trump after being unmaned by him. You're looking at the saddest man in America. Ted Cruz 2018.

Pathetic. See, that's how you're running out in Texas. Do we know who took that photo? Because that person is one of the unsung American heroes. Yeah, indeed. So t-y-t.com slash crews to donate to that. So let's look at the thermometer and see how much you guys have already given. We've already started running the ads in Texas, by the way.

I'm gonna tell you about that in a second. You've given $20,953 so far. 20,000, I said, was, originally the goal was 10, then it was 20, now it's 25, let's keep it going. Let's make it a million. Okay, however much it takes, because 10,000. is going on Facebook digital ads, only in Texas, 10,000 is going to YouTube ads in Texas. And so far, we spent less than $1,000 warming up, trying to figuring out how to get it to the right demographics in Texas, et cetera.

And already it's reached 190,000 people, okay? So assuming that's about $1,000 and we're going to spend about $10,000 on Facebook, that's about 2 million people it could reach. Not bad, on Facebook alone, and then you've got YouTube. So you're helping reach millions of people in Texas with that ad. So, and then one of our viewers put it in a great way. He said, look, some liberals look at that ad and they get uncomfortable because that's not what liberals like to hear, like words like unmanned, et cetera.

But this isn't for liberals, this is for independence in Texas. And they need to understand the problem with Ted Cruz isn't just that he's a bad guy. It's that he's weak and pathetic. And if they don't respect them, they won't vote for him. And they have no reason to respect him. All they gotta know is the reality. And when you remind him, Donald Trump said his wife was ugly. And then he went and kissed Donald Trump's ass.

So. Yeah. Do you want to turn to some breaking news? Yes. Okay, relatively fast. Saudi Arabia has confirmed that Jamal Khashoggi was actually killed that day in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, according to Saudi State TV. We have some more updates about what they are apparently doing about it.

The Saudis have apparently set up a commission that is going to investigate his death, and they have given themselves one month to make a report about it. They have detained 18 Saudi nationals, and they also have an explanation as to how the death actually happened. They are saying that he met with some of these people in the consulate. There was a quarrel and a physical altercation that led to his death. So reading between the lines, they are apparently stating that Jamal picked a fight with this team of 15 Saudi nationals that was dispatched from Saudi Arabia to Istanbul, and it was some sort of coincidental, unfortunate death that happened.

This to me, and this is just the initial reporting, I will admit that, seems ridiculous. The timeline they have given themselves to figure out what happened is insane, but I will make a prediction. This feels to me like more than enough cover for Donald Trump to do absolutely nothing about this. Of course, the whole point was to do nothing about it. There was almost never any chance that they were going to hold the Saudis accountable. I mean, how many times is Donald Trump say, oh, they gave us $110 billion?

And then, first of all, of course, it's not true, it's $14.5 billion. Big surprise that Donald Trump wasn't Donald truth. Pat Robertson said on TV the other day, what's one person's life compared to all that money? I'm sure that's the same thing Jesus would have said. What a good Christian he is, and so now Trump's gonna go around. That's it, we asked them to for accountability. They arrested at random 18 people who will be scapegoated in Saudi Arabia now. And now their life is in danger, and most of them probably had nothing to do with this.

In fact, they're probably enemies of the current leadership. And they're gonna use it as an opportunity to probably kill them too. Oh yeah, the Crown Prince, when he first showed up on the scene as the Crown Prince decided to arrest, behead, kill, or exile, anybody else who possibly could have been a threat to his power. And so now what he's doing, he's gonna throw under the bus, his head. head of security for mucking all of this up. That's the accountability that's gonna happen is the person he relied on to execute this

is now the one he's gonna throw under the bus, which sounds very Trumpian to me, right? This is exactly- 100%. This is what Donald Trump would do. You are useful until you're not. There's no sense of loyalty. And as long as you have the business relationship, that will trump anything else. Yeah. No, you took the words right out of my mouth.

It's exactly what Trump would do. He'd get you to do something stupid, then turn around and yell at you, oh, dog, well, what did you do such a stupid thing? like tell Giuliani to go make ridiculous defenses that's going to get him in bigger trouble, they yell at him afterwards. It's his ammo. He does it almost every time. And let's talk about who else he praises in the world, right?

I mean, what I really think that this is what he's telling us he would like to be. It's not just about the military parade that he saw in North Korea that he wants to see down Pennsylvania Avenue. He likes the idea that the head of the president of the Philippines, Duterte, is able to go out and just kill people by calling them drug murderers, like drug dealers. That's it. You just kill him. He likes the idea that somebody is writing against Trump.

you and your rulership, not the country, right? Like, Khashoggi was writing great things about what Saudi people are capable of, that if somebody says something against your rule, rogue assassins can come and dismember you. I think this is all signals of the kind of country that Donald Trump would like to see. Yeah. Is there such a thing as a rogue assassin? It's the same thing as the person who rolls in with a chainsaw's backup. Yeah.

And so let's come back around to the central acclaim here in this breaking news event. that there was an altercation that went awry, okay? As if Khashoggi decided that he would take on a group of 15 assassins. While getting a marriage registration, documentation produced. Yeah. With his fiancé waiting outside. Yeah. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control

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to try to kill all 15 of us and we decide to kill him in self-defense, maybe we should have a bone saw handy to dismember him afterwards. This- And this report, right? Like how much bull is that going to be? They have a month to come up with whatever fancy words they want, and it's going, I mean, the investigation didn't even start until they'd already cleaned up all the blood in the place. So this is like, this is classic Washington elite speak. Let's do a working group and get to the bottom of this.

Let's get a report and really figure this out. This is frustrating for a lot of reasons. I mean, first of all, this is definitely going to lead to despots around the world killing more journalists because we will not respond in any way, we won't do anything. I mean, all the politicians who've been doing great work trying to put pressure on the administration to cut those arms deals, Bernie Sanders calling for pulling out of support for Saudi's war in Yemen, that will not come to pass because Donald Trump has all the power in this.

So more journalists will be killed. I mean, he already, he didn't care when Vladimir Putin was killing dissidents and journalists. It's more than just like the defending freedom of press and expression, right? Which is still something that the rest of the world doesn't do well in general. It's a signal he's sending to everybody of you just do whatever you want in your backyard. You can kill people. You can run things however you want. You can have the Russians invading your country.

The United States wants a bit of your money, but that's it. We don't really have any, under Trump, we don't have any broader goals of what the world should look like. And he's in complete denial about the fact that we are interconnected in a global society. And one of the most frustrating things is this is ridiculous. The Fox News cover on this is going to be ridiculous. And it is going to be the most convincing thing that has ever been said to Trump supporters. They will eat this up. Yeah, Jamal went in there and he attacked the entire consulate.

He went in fist swinging and they had to kill him of the bones on. It's going to be even worse. It's like, well, he wrote some bad things about his ruler. Sorry, he's a Saudi citizen. And tough luck. That's what happens to you. It's amazing, though, what he has been able to get these supposed concert. Like they now think Vladimir Putin is a leader to look up to, Saudi Arabia is awesome.

So they simultaneously, they hate Muslims more than anything in the world, and Saudi Arabia is that's the place to be. The most fundamentalist Muslim government in the world. Extremist, let's call them that. Yeah. And they believe that. Yeah, they're awesome. They gave passports and they have the nationalities of 11 of the 9-11 hijackers.

The thing that made America hate the Muslim world, Saudi was indirectly, if not directly, responsible for that. Yet, as long as Donald Trump says they're cool and he's got a hotel in Riyadh, everything's good. Now a note is going around, and we told you this ahead of time. I said, look, Saudi Arabia, it's not just their arms deal, it's not just the oil. They have an alliance between us, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, against Iran and the Shia Muslims in the region. Okay, that alliance is unbreakable.

They're going to cover this up no matter what. In fact, they will soon start attacking Khashoggi. That's what we said when this story happened. And not only did they have they started attacking Khashoggi, as we told you yesterday on the show, a guy on CRTV started calling him a radical Islamists. And they're like, remember, Khashoggi is Muslim, what do we care? Right, that's basically the essence of it, and all Muslims are terrorists, except Saudi Arabia, which actually does do the terrorism, they're not terrorists. Okay, innocent Muslims who are dismembered and beheaded, they are terrorists.

And he said he's a terrorist sympathizer, he's against Israel, wink, wink, all that stuff happened now. Today there's a new story about how the House GOP is sending out talking points about how it was Khashoggi's fault, that he had it coming. Okay, so you guys are absolutely right. The conclusion of this is twofold. One, we just sent a note to all the dictators and dictator wannabes throughout the world. It's okay, kill anyone you like, as long as we get paid when we don't care at all. And the second note is to the conservatives at home. Muslims are terrible, except the worst, most extreme terrorist funding, fundamentalist

Muslims in the world, they're awesome. The ones that just beheaded someone. Remember what you said about ISIS and all the reasons you hate Muslims? They do beheadings. They just beheaded Khashoggi. They cut his fingers likely when he was alive. And now you're applauding it because your dear orange leader told you to. That's about the saddest thing I've ever seen.

So enjoy being as pathetic as you are. There's like a 15% chance he will mime the torture and murder of Jamal at a rally at some point. God. The fact that we're not objecting to that, says something. Oh, I object to it. No, we actually see that this is reason, but yes, that actually could happen in our current reality. Yeah, right.

Like if someone suggested that in an earlier administration, we're talking about. Obama. Like, we'll be like, John, come on. What are the odds, actually? Very high. Yeah, give me odds, I'll bet on it. Okay, we got it. Please vote.

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I want to give you all the details. This woman, Rachel Peterson, became pregnant earlier this year and an ultrasound eventually showed in the end of June that her fetus no longer had a heartbeat. Her doctor prescribed her a drug that would make the miscarriage process happen faster and avoid her having to have an invasive surgical procedure, which apparently carries with it at least some risk of an inability to later give birth. So obviously wanting to avoid that amidst a terrible personal trauma, she was willing to potentially take this medication. On July 1st, she and her husband were about to leave, to pick up the medication at this particular pharmacy, when she said she received

a call from the pharmacist who, quote, stated that as a good Catholic male, he could not in good conscious fill this medication. She explained to the pharmacist who she identified as Richard Kalkman, that her fetus was no longer viable and that she needed the medication to complete the miscarriage safely. She says that he didn't believe me, and he also told her that he couldn't support an abortion. He also refused her request to speak to another pharmacist or to the manager, A spokesman for that pharmacy said that he has not been employed, employed since early July of this year, so apparently shortly after that conversation. And apparently pharmacists there are, who choose to decline to fill a prescription for religious

reasons must either arrange for the prescription to be filled by another pharmacist in the store or transfer the prescription to another convenient pharmacy, both of which he refused to do. And one of the ironies about this particular drug, which I personally had not been, had not know anything about is there are other uses for this drug. And she says that if her husband had called in, there are things that men use it for. There would have been no problem whatsoever. It was merely the fact that she was a woman that clued him in that it had something to do with a problem with a pregnancy and thus triggered his religious response.

This whole thing makes my uterus hurt. Like, no, really. That is, and that's not a decision that anybody other than the doctor and the woman should be making about what's happening with her body, let alone somebody as a pharmacist who's sworn to just dispense medication as prescribed by a medical professional. And I think that goes to a big part of, that's been missing from the pro-life side of the debate, is a lot of this, these are, women aren't going out seeking abortions willy-nilly, and a lot of the medication is for medical reasons to protect the life of a mother.

And women, I mean, she wanted that baby, right? Yeah. She wanted that baby and it was no longer viable. Why put her through any more pain? Because you think that you have some religious authority behind you. The Republican Party turning America into Saudi Arabia. So now Trump's in the middle of a cover-up for Saudi Arabia, and now religious zealots saying, yeah, why don't we do Sharia law in America, as long as it's my Sharia law and

not their Sharia law. It's supposed to be a free country, it's in the Constitution, you're not supposed to establish a religion, so why do I care about your religion? What do you mean? You're not going to give me something that my doctor ordered because of your religion? I mean, how preposterous. All right, so Muslims can just stop giving everyone bacon, right, when they go to the grocery store.

And this is actually a case that happened in Minnesota, and we were livid about it. Well, then don't work at the grocery store. Do your job or go home, right? No, apparently now Muslims can enforce their religion upon you, Jews can enforce theirs, Rastafarian's can enforce theirs. We all get to say, okay, no, you all have to live by my religion. If you want that, you can go to Saudi Arabia, you can go to Iran, you can go to a lot of different countries. But that's not what America's about, but you guys don't understand the country because

you believe in theocracy and you're fundamentally un-American. And let's also note the irony of the Laura Ingrams of the world telling LeBron James shut up and dribble, almost all the conservatives telling Colin Kaepernick shut up and play, and basically shut up and do your job, right? In this case though, don't do your job on something that isn't kneeling, kneeling, who cares of whatever he kneels, right? It's about your life, your very life. And that guy gets to interfere in your life and will not do his job.

It's unconscionable. And yet, oh, Joe, I know, but I won't impose my religion on you. And the last irony, wait, I thought you guys were for small government. Oh, you're for small government when it allows the Koch brothers and giant corporations to pollute our environment and poison our kids. for small government when billionaires are getting tax breaks, but when somebody wants to control their own body, doesn't get any more freedom and liberty than controlling your own body. You say, no, no, no, no, no, I want jackbooted thugs from the government to control your body

for you. And I want their brown shirts in the form of pharmacists to make sure that you can't get medicine that affects your health when you need it, because I'm in favor of what? Small government, please, at least understand what you're in favor of. You're for a giant, big government that's a theocracy, just like Saudi Arabia. I think that was clear. Who were kind of good guys lately. Yes, let's do the next story.

You want to? Okay, let's do it. Actress Kristen Bell, who plays a Disney princess, revealed that in recent talks with her children, she's been bringing up some of the issues she has with the messages of older Disney movies. Here are a couple of the things that she's been talking about with them. She says, every time we close Snow White, I look at my girls and ask, don't you think it's weird that Snow White didn't ask the old witch why she needed to eat the apple or where she got that apple? Yeah, I've always thought that was a weird plot hole. But she's right.

You don't just accept food from strangers. And I think that a story that teaches kids that, yeah, fruit is fine. Just take it from any weird old person that hands it to you. But that's not what she's getting a bad reaction from the right for. It was this next quote saying, don't you think it's weird that the prince kisses Snow White without her permission? because you cannot kiss someone if they're sleeping. Now, some on the right online have lost their minds about this. They are frustrated with her for daring to question these fairy tales, or at least their Disney incarnations.

Although we do know, especially around the conversation around the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh, there's a lot of people that think a lot of things are acceptable. And we don't know for sure where they're learning these lessons about consent and what should be allowed. but they believe some terrible things. Maybe rethinking some of these older movies isn't the worst thing in the world. But as I said, the reaction has been bad. Ben Shapiro, totally reasonable guy, said, oh, well, if Kristen Bell is uncomfortable, we should probably discard centuries-old fairy tales.

So that is factually untrue. The fairy tale is not centuries-old with the kiss. Yes, the story originally is. The kiss part was added in this century by Disney. So didn't care enough to do the research. cares enough to protect these, doesn't care enough to do the research. And I would say that even if he was right, so?

Well, centuries-old fairy tales are actually really bloody and gory. They tend to be. The little mermaid, like, chops off her feet, become seafone. I mean, Cinderella step-sisters get their eyes plucked out by birds. I mean, the Grim brothers were, fairytale is less what it is, horror story is more like it. And who cares if we have to change a few old fairy tales? No, no, that goes.

But we're snowflakes. He's freaking out that we might have to update a cartoon, but we're snowflakes. Yeah, no, this goes to the heart of why conservatives are losers. And I'm gonna explain, that's literal, okay? I'm gonna explain why I say that. So in reality, the Brothers Grimm changed Snow White's story 17 times between 1812 when they first came out with it in 1864. Why?

I would argue largely because they were capitalists. And so what they were doing, they were testing different. versions of the story. They originally came from folk stories, and the folk stories were worse. They were horrific, and one of the things that didn't play well was originally the parents were evil. People didn't like that the parents were evil, they didn't want to buy that book, right? Then the mom was evil, they're like, that's better, okay, but still a little bit problematic.

And then eventually they switched it to the evil stepmother, and they're like, all right, here we go, now that's better, and that one stuck and continued, right? There was no kiss at all in any of those. And originally, if there was no kiss, how does Snow White become conscious? Well, one of the servants beat her into consciousness in the original Brothers Grimm story back in even the last one, 1864. That one doesn't play as well in modern times. The servants beat you until, instead of beating you to death, they beat you to life, I guess,

in this story. Beatings are good for you. And so- Beating the servants. Some conservatives are good of it. Yeah. So, look, on the one hand, you've got a good case here of conservatives, again, not attach to facts, who cares, the fact that that story has been changed countless times, we're going

to pretend that it was written by like what, God in a stone somewhere on a mountaintop, when God said let Snow White be arisen by a kiss, right? No, no, no, things are changeable and they do change all the time depending on the times. And that is my central point. are resigned to the role of losers in history. Why? Because they fight for things to not change. But we live in an ever-changing world. So things change all the time. That's why conservatives are always grumpy. Ah, why are things changing? Tradition should stay. I should always be woken up

in the same way, beaten halfway to death or life. Right. And they should have had their eyes gouged out and we should have kept slavery. Oops. And that's right, that was also a tradition. Bride kidnappings were a tradition in Central Asia. There's many traditions that are horrible and we get better. We change for the better. But conservatives, by definition, are opposed to change. That is why they will always lose in the long run. And look at what they're getting mad about. They're getting mad that a mother is having a conversation with her kids about the message of a story. She's not saying, let's ban these movies. She's just saying maybe we should take a look at things that we have blindly accepted in the past.

There's a great write-up recently that the movie Fast Times at Ridgemont High, I think it was. It might have been one of the 16 movies or whatever. A guy who's like the hero of the story has a girlfriend that he doesn't like anymore. He likes the girl who's the star of the movie. So when she's passed out, he just hands her over to another guy at the party to have his way with. He says have fun with her. And that was a comedy. It's just a comedy.

Yeah, he's giving his past-up girlfriend for that guy to rape. And that's like in the 80s. Like some of these things, maybe we can just rethink them a little bit. And maybe that's not like the worst thing at the end of the day. And I just want to say one other things, one of the reasons I think that people on the right are so angry all of the time. Like so Ben Shapiro starts something with Kristen Bell and she responded or whatever. But imagine going through your life and knowing that the vast majority of the people that

make the shows that you like and the movies that you like and the music that you like and the games that you like. All of these artistic, creative, independent people, don't agree with you on anything. Don't agree with your values. If they knew you personally, like sure, they'd be polite to you, but they wouldn't agree with you in the things that you hold most dear. And for people like Ben Shapiro, that has got to just fester inside you. That's why they hate losing the culture wars.

Yes. All right, we gotta go. By the way, I want to give a shout out to Constance Grady with a great article in box about this issue. A wonderful job. Nayara Hock, thank you so much for joining us. We really, really appreciate it. Thank you.

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