The Young Turks - Trump's Going After The Constitution And He Visits Mourning Pittsburgh Even When Asked Not To

Episode Date: October 31, 2018

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Okay, there's no power panel today, but it's a power panel, though. But it is. Ida Rodriguez is here. So by definition, it's a power panel.

Fine, John's also here. You're welcome for holding things down. All right, I'm back, I'm back. All right. You didn't really miss much. There's always-gantic, historic wave of domestic terrorism. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I can't quite figure out who's responsible for the violence. We'll talk about that a little bit later, and I figured it out. So, anyways, lots to do in today's show. Trump, of course, as usual, saying outrageous things. Right before the election, he thinks it's going to help him. I don't. I think it's going to hurt him. Interesting.

We're going to talk about that in a little bit. And then he's going to Pittsburgh. That sounds like a bad idea. A lot of people saying that he is not welcome there, but he's going to go nonetheless. Interesting. Okay, so we got a huge show ahead for you guys. And I want to talk a little bit later about the contest that John and I are having that he's barely aware of. that you can sign up for membership through t yt.com slash john or t yt.com slash jank.

There's actually five of us. Ida, we should have put you in the contest, but we're afraid you blow us out of the water. And I say that, you know, say blow us out of the water from the standpoint of water. And, you know, your family's at least partly from Puerto Rico. Absolutely. And I don't know if you know this, but it is surrounded by water, big water, ocean water. Okay. Anyway, apparently Anna's leading in that contest, but she's not here, is she?

So now we're gonna plug our own stuff, join up for membership through those, and then we get credit for it, whatever that means, right? But it's a competition and says Anna's already winning, I'm already mad. Yeah. I have to admit, I am disappointed with myself for not being in the lead when I just found out about this earlier today. Oh, more, if you're gonna cry all day, John. I mean.

I still don't really know what it is or what I'm supposed to have been. been doing. We're supposed to get people to sign up their membership through your name. Do that, please. Okay, well, yeah. Please. You have to do it on Twitter because you are, you are going in on Twitter. Okay, I'll do it on Twitter. Okay, thank you. Get a load of this Johnny Come lately, if you will. You had like five days to come up with puns, and that's what you come back with. Yeah, I don't come up with puns on my off time. He does. He does. He has a notebook. I like Mad Tank better. Well, don't worry. He makes it appearance later in the show. Yeah.

All right, let's go forward. Okay, let's talk about something fun. Donald Trump is once again talking about his mistaken belief that he can end the constitutional right of birthright citizenship through an executive order. Here he is on with Axios talking about it. Some legal scholars believe you can get rid of birthright citizenship without changing the Constitution. With an executive order.

Exactly. Right. Have you thought about that? Yes. Tell me more. you needed a constitutional amendment. Right. First one.

You don't. You don't. Number one, you don't need that. I mean, that's in dispute. That's very much in dispute. Well, you can definitely do it with an act of Congress, but now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order. Now, how ridiculous, we're the only country in the world,

where a person comes in, has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end. Have you talked about that with counsel? Yeah, I have.

So we're in the process. It's in the process, it'll happen. With an executive order, that's what you're talking about. Yeah, it's a very interesting question. I didn't think anybody but knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. Jonathan, I've got a good guess. Good guess.

It's such a weird video in a number of different ways. That ending, I have no idea what that was about. He's talked about it before, so I don't know what his surprise was. But there are a couple of points that we need to take a bit of an issue with. We are not the only country with birthright citizenship. We are surrounded by countries that have birthright citizenship, depending on how you define it, well over 30, including basically every country in our hemisphere, including our neighbors in Mexico and Canada, let alone countries throughout Latin and South America.

It is all over the place. All of the countries that he believes are sort of gaming the system by sending people, he thinks sending people in here to become citizens. They themselves have birthright citizenship. But first, the frustration that I have goes beyond just birthright citizenship. his approach to it, and we're going to talk about that here. But the argument that he is making there, if it can be called in the argument, is first thing you don't need it, that is all the detail he gives, some people are telling me you don't need

it. He doesn't define it. We have no idea who is supposedly telling him that. Then he does the fallback, well, you obviously don't need it with legislation, but even with executive order, I think I can do it. Neither of those things are remotely true, as we'll get into more. I am curious, though, to what extent, I mean, we're taking it seriously here because it's filled with falsehoods, to what extent is this simply another pre-election thing that he's doing? Yeah, it's definitely a pre-election strategy, and I think it's a faulty one. And I don't mean that because I'm outraged by his statements, et cetera, I mean that I just, as a matter of political calculation. So his idea here is, and look, Latinos, he's in your face. Because

He's saying, you guys don't vote, so I can antagonize you guys as much as I like. You have, you know, historically low voting percentages, whereas my base hates you guys, and they do vote. So I'm going to rile them up, rile them up with every anti-immigrant, every anti-Latino thing that I can possibly think of, even things that are wildly unconstitutional like this proposal. Who cares? Because it's not really going to do it anyway.

Well, unless he, unless they keep. the house in the Senate and he's like, well, I promised it, so I'm gonna do it, right? So, but the purpose is to rile up his racist base. And I don't think that it's gonna work. I think that a lot of people are riled up against them and that he's going to that well one too many times. But the one thing he's right about is Latinos don't vote nearly as much as other folks in this country do.

And if I'm a Latino leader, I mean, that enrages me. I would wanna sign up every Latino in the country and register. them to get them to vote because he's in your face, man. He keeps slapping you around. You're gonna do something about it politically or not? Yeah, we, a lot of us assimilate and then don't think he's talking about us anymore. So this to me is his wall for 2018, right? The wall was, so this is the wall for this election.

Is it Donald Trump, the child of people who were not born in the United States? So his dad was of German origin. I don't remember exactly when his family came over. I do know that his dad pretended to be Swedish for a long time. I don't think they were born here. Is German not white enough that he had to pretend to be Swedish? But no, I know why. There's mother.

Historic reasons. Right, right. It was around World War II. That's why. Oh, yeah, the anti-th. But you know what? I just think, I'm so tired of Donald Trump. I just want to talk to the people who actually follow him.

I think that at some point we've got to have a sit down and talk to the people who follow him. Put your hate down for one minute and just think about all of the stuff that he's promised. Listen to what he's saying. Barack Obama used to say, I once read. I learned in law school this. He says people are telling me. That's the language of the president of the United States. Hearsay is what's coming from the White House.

That sounds like a blog entry. It sounds like a Facebook post. It sounds like something a Kardashian would say. The president of the United States is saying, they keep telling me, they said, like you said, it's just that should be, that should concern you because while, and then the other thing is that my argument is always, every time we talk about immigration, we're talking about brown people because nobody else comes here from anywhere else. So he is directly talking to the people who hate us and we're not voting.

But what about the people who are not us who are, you know, his wife barely speaks English. And we are sitting here letting this man tell us everybody else who's not an immigrant. Isn't Melania one of the people who has received the chain migration? You know what I mean? Like it's you guys. You guys. It's us guys. And we have to remember to think collectively because we will all lose when we don't.

Yeah. It's just so frustrating. Yeah, sorry, just a couple of things there based on what you just said. So first of all, let's just establish facts. No question, Melania's parents came through chain migration because of Melania, okay? So if they're gonna get rid of chain migration, Melania's parents should be the first one kicked out of the country. No joke, it's not my idea, I hate that idea, I think it's a terrible idea.

I believe in legal immigration. That's what family-based immigration is, legal immigration. But if you're going to say you're going to kick him out, hey, you first, you first, round them up, round up Melania's parents, put them on a goddamn boat and send them away, okay? Because that's your idea, why don't you go first? You know, they always say with liberals like, oh, you guys like higher taxes, what don't you go first? Why don't you go first?

Kick out Melania's parents right now, do it today, do it today, what's matter with you, okay? Apparently you don't believe it, you're a hypocrite. I don't know if Melania was born, was already a citizen or not when Baron was born. I don't know if that makes him an anchor baby. I know she came here illegally, let's just be, she came legally, but then she worked here when she did not have a work permit. And that's an illegal immigrant. So, oh, I got an idea.

Put Melania on the same goddamn boat as her parents, and send her the hell back. Hey, listen, I'm not the one fighting against legal immigration, you guys are, right? And so let's be clear about birthright citizenship. So that is perfectly legal and constitutional and it's as clear as day and everybody except Trump knows it and the they that he talks to, whoever the hell they are. Okay, so now, already, by getting rid of family-based immigration, these are their proposals, Trump's proposals, and the Republican Party largely agrees, and getting rid of the visa lottery and so many other visas they have already proposed to end, they were already going to end

85% of legal migration. Now, on top of that they put in birthright citizenship. So for the rest of the press, let's be super duper clear, okay, because you guys are really bad at this. So you always call it 50-50 and you always just repeat Republican talking points as if they're real. So the Republicans say, no, no, no, we're for rule of law. We're not against immigrants, we're for rule of law. Well, that's not remotely true. You're against immigrants.

You want to, according to Trump's proposal, already you want to block 85% of legal immigrants here. Now you want to block people who are born in the country. So just call it what it is. against all immigrants. They are, it's a fact, it's a fact, and why are they against immigrants? The overwhelming majority of immigrants are not white at this point in American history, and that is why they're against them. Now that's, you can say, all right, well, it is a fact that the Republicans hate immigrants,

that's a fact. I'm not sure it's a fact that it's because they're racist. Well, I think they are, and I think the evidence overwhelmingly proves that, but hey, I'll cut the mainstream press a little bit of slack, and you could just say the first part, You don't have to add the second part, even though it's obvious. Am I not merciful? Yeah, and I mean, depending on how they do it, it's not impossible that were they to actually do this, they would end up stripping a citizenship from literally millions of Americans.

And it's one thing to say, and we know that this sort of policy, they think about it in electoral terms of the future. They want to do this because they're scared about demographic change in this country. That's one argument you can make, but attempting to do something to strip a significant percentage of Americans' ability to vote, which of course they're doing in these elections, that is obviously an electoral strategy in the near term as well. So whether he ends up doing it, it's one thing to say, as we are saying, that he can't actually do it.

You can't do an executive order that takes away a constitutionally protected right, but he can do what he wants to do unless someone stops him. And will the Senate stop him, will the House stop him, will the Supreme Court stop him? At the end of the day, if they control all of that, then theoretically our ideas of what is possible and what is legal might have to change. That is one of the worries that I develop when you allow a fascist like Donald Trump to take over. That's why we've opposed him in the first place. I just want to say one thing.

You said that about Barron, and Barron's mother is from another country and Donald Trump is American, just like me. My father is from the Dominican Republic, which is a third world country, and my mom is from Puerto Rico, which makes her a United States citizen. But what's the difference between me and Barron is that he's a white man in America and I'm brown? And they hate us and you're right. And I like when angry Jenks shows up because he tells it like it is.

We feel it and nobody's speaking up for us. So you Cubans who think that political asylum is granted to you forever, just know that when they're done with us, they're coming for you next. So I just wanted to be super clear because the idea there that he is giving across, that other conservatives, not all of them, as we'll give you examples, are saying, is that there is some ambiguity, that this is not a settled question, that this is just an interpretation of birthright citizenship, the idea that when you are born here, you are a citizen. But I'm going to read it for you because it's super clear. Like if you already thought

that the Second Amendment was pretty damn clear, this is even more obvious than that. It says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the U.S. and of the state wherein they reside. There has been virtually no disagreement since that was put into the Constitution about exactly what it meant. But modern racists are attempting to say that there is something ambiguous there. Some will say, well, I mean jurisdiction, they weren't born here, so they're not subject to the jurisdiction. Okay, well, I would love to test that with almost any other crime.

If you come into this country and you're not subject to the jurisdiction, like a diplomat, I guess you can go around murdering people and robbing them if you're not under our jurisdiction. I don't think any right winger actually believes that in practice, it is an evasion, of course. Now, in terms of what other right-wingers are saying after this news broke again, Paul Ryan said, well, obviously you cannot do that. You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order. Justin Amash says the president cannot amend constitution or laws via executive order. Concept of natural-born citizen in 14th Amendment derives from natural-born subject in Britain.

Phrase and subject to the jurisdiction thereof excludes mainly foreign diplomats who are not subject to U.S. laws. And even a lawyer writing for the National Review says a proper originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, as presently written, guarantees American citizenship to those born within our borders with only a few limited exceptions, similar to what Justin Amash had said. That doesn't mean that he's not going to attempt to make this into an election issue. And it doesn't mean that some people, like Steve King or Lindsey Graham, who says he is going to put forward legislation to accomplish this in the Senate, don't believe that you can do it regardless of all of this information. Yeah, I thought that Republicans claim, the conservatives claim that they were strict constructionists and an originalist. And all of a sudden, when the words are inconvenient, and by the way, they do this all the time, same thing with the Second Amendment, it says for a well-regulated militia. They're like, yeah, I don't worry about the words. The words are irrelevant.

I like my guns, and I don't mind people using them to murder others. I don't care, I just want my hobby. It's a fun hobby. I don't, words are not important. So here, the words are exceedingly clear. We just write them to you. Every constitutional scholar knows that there's good precedent in the Supreme Court on it and now conservatives some of them are going yeah don't care and never cared about strict everything that

the Republicans ever told you is a lie they don't care about deficits they don't care about strict construction of the Constitution and I can go on and on so now to be fair there are some people who are principal that John ran you because we are fair we show you all the perspectives so I want to give Justin Amash credit he's a guy that I disagree with probably more than the average Republican, because he's so extreme in certain situations, but from time to time, he's principled. So I'll give him that. And then on the political side, Ryan Costello, another Republican congressman, said it's wrong. On top of that, he said, it is political malpractice.

So that goes to the first point we're discussing, which is this smart politics. Well, first of all, it's Donald Trump. Smart next to his name is a near impossibility, right, which I'll get to in the last part here. But what Costello pointed out is, look, we were already having trouble winning in, and there is a blue wave coming. You can say there's a red wave, but it doesn't make it true. Now, you know, his tweet is a little bit more condensed, but basically he's saying we were already having a lot of trouble with Republicans and suburban districts and these districts were about to lose. And now there's a bunch of districts that have a ton of Latino voters. And you just slapped him across the face.

How stupid are you? You just made our job so much harder because it goes district by district. Look, I think that the anti-Latino anti-immigrant talk also energizes other voters who are not Latinos because progressives, unlike conservatives, care about other people. So when you attack Latinos, you attack me. I care about that, right? I know conservatives are like, hey, it's just about me, and if it didn't happen to me, I don't give it to him, right?

I know that, right? But that's not how the rest of the country is. So it motivates them. But particularly in areas that have high Latino populations, my people are. You just ended a whole bunch of Republican careers. So thank you, Donald Trump, for the moron that you are, backed up by other idiots and racist like Lindsey Graham. So the weird thing about Lindsey Graham, the thing that sticks out at me is when he said,

like how to, when he was on Fox and he accidentally said, or maybe on purpose said, how terrible it would have been if he was born Persian. Now, there's not a lot of Persians in the country, so dude, there wasn't a big uproar over that. But I thought, man, how interestingly, deeply racist that is. He just says it because they and like if there is a only a small percentage in the country, we largely ignore it, Muslims, there aren't a lot of Muslims, you can hate Muslims all you like and you don't get much flag for it on TV, right?

Persians, there's even less Persians as a subset, right? So who cares? No, the guy said it would be terrible to be born like you if you're Persian. What a monstrous thing to say. And now, of course, he of course also hates Latinos and says, oh, I always wanted to end their birthright citizen, congratulations, Lizzie, you have a new boyfriend now. You were looking for one and you got one now. And so go get him, support him all that you get.

Oh, Lizzie's got a new guy. Donald's right. Donald's right. Donald's right about everything. Lindsay, I've seen that act a thousand times. You're one of the most pathetic people I've ever seen in politics. And finally, conservatives, are you not embarrassed about anything? So no, forget the hate, I know you're not embarrassed by the hate, you revel in it.

That's why you vote for Donald Trump. You enthusiastically voted for Donald Trump. No, I'm talking about how stupid he is. Who says on national television, there's no other country that does this? When there's 33 other countries that do it, you didn't even bother looking it up. Why? Because you're a pathetic child who doesn't like to do his homework. At some point, aren't you gonna say I'm so tired of him being constantly wrong?

But apparently not, because maybe, and probably, you're just as dumb as he is. I think to some extent that sort of statement, like he's talked to Stephen Miller about this or something, like he, I don't know that he could possibly still think that that's true. I think that in combination with something Sarah Hockaby Sanders said yesterday, I think that they are either engaged in some sort of sociological experiment to see how flagrant a lie they can tell, or they're just reveling in it at this point. Like she said yesterday, in a press conference, he was elected by the overwhelming majority of Americans, something that nobody actually thinks is true.

It's the most obvious lie imaginable. But at this point, they know that their fans, their fanatics, are not going to question anything. Like Sarah Huckabee Sanders could stand at the podium and say, I in fact am Donald Trump. And a significant portion would say, oh, well, I'll vote for you? Like, they don't question anything at this point, and they seem to love it. They insult their base the most because they insult their intelligence constantly. We know they hate us. You know what I mean?

It isn't a secret because it's in their rhetoric constantly. But they insult the base so much that that's why I've been like tweeting to them now. And I'm like, look, guys, put the hate away. I know you hate us. But just for one minute, stop voting your best interest because this cannot possibly be in your best interest. He insults your intelligence daily. He does not identify with you no matter how much you want to identify with him. He doesn't look at you and say, those are my people.

We are all expendable. we're all disposable and we're all negotiable. And I don't understand what it takes, the hate for Mexicans and brown people that much to drive you to a place where you will mess up being in one of the best countries on the planet. Like, honestly, we have, what we have here other people covet. And my family came here, my father came here for this. It's just so, it's so insulting. And if I was a follower of his, I would be a follower.

offended at this point that they take every single day. They lie to me and they insult me and they offend me every single day. And they think I'm just gonna swallow it because I'm too stupid to know the truth. But I have to say that I think a lot of the Republican Trump voters are that stupid. They go, yeah, there are 33 other countries do it. No, fake news, I don't believe it. No, reality is liberal, I'm against reality. Okay, congratulations.

Enjoy your willful ignorance. We should probably take your first break. Lots of what we get to. Okay. So apparently Angry Jenk has showed up. I love it. And if you didn't see my live YouTube video about what happened in Pittsburgh, don't worry.

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Are we gonna have a country with stateless people? And unfortunately, the answer is probably, yeah, if he gets his way and he starts actually declaring people non-citizens, there's an excellent chance they're not citizens anywhere. And then nobody knows what to do with them. The issue this is that in writing that tweet, you've thought about this more than they have. Of course that you, he has, right? You thought about it 10 times as much as they have. J.P. writes in, Trump's had two, Trump's had two immigrant wives.

That's right. In fact, then I'm gonna go to Twitter. Rib Abdullah Joan writes in, I don't know about Baron, but all three of his first children were born before his wife, Ivana was a citizen. She became one in 88. So we're looking into that, that's just a tweet, but we're gonna, verify and hopefully get back to you later in the program about how many of Donald Trump's kids are anchor babies and need to be deported immediately, okay? So we'll find out.

And on YouTube super chat, Railgun 04 says, I'm not saying the Republicans are racist. I'm just saying racist believe Republicans are racist. Very nicely done Andrew Gillum reference there. Florida. Okay. So the Andrew Gillum race, by the way, is ground. for how their racism is going to backfire. It's in the middle of backfiring, and I believe that Gillum will win and DeSantis will lose

based on that racism. All right, and of course, if you want to sign up to become a member, t.com slash jank. By the way, let's imagine a hypothetical where I had actually been told about this campaign. It still seems a little bit chops. I think you're the host of the main show. Okay, look, keep crying. Although, to be fair, Anna is winning, so maybe that's not as chops as it seems. Who's the main host after all?

This is my revenge, even though I'm probably in fifth. Okay, so you want to talk about some news? Yes. Okay. Donald Trump visited Pittsburgh today, obviously following the tragic murder of 11 people at the Tree of Life Synagogue over the weekend. This, despite the fact that in advance of him coming there, many people in the community, including leaders, religious and political leaders, had an issue with him coming.

There was this gigantic petition of people saying they would prefer if he did not. But Trump and First Lady Melania Trump actually did end up visiting on Tuesday. He said this about what he planned to do when he got there. I'm also going to the hospital to see the officers and some of the people that were so badly hurt. I really look forward to going. I would have done it even sooner, but I didn't want to disrupt any more than they already had disruption. So that's a word jumble, but there's nothing particularly offensive there, I guess. And maybe it's an acknowledgement that his presence there is not necessarily that helpful.

And I'm glad that he's at least saying he's enthusiastic about going. He had previously given out a kind of lukewarm statement about what had happened there. And we later found out through the New York Times that the only reason he did that is because Jared and Ivanka pressured him to do so. So he appears to be taking it slightly more seriously. However, he is not going to have a lot of company on this trip because both House Speaker Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell were unable to make the trip due to scheduling conflicts, with Ryan's office noting he wasn't able to make it on such short notice. Well, I mean, that is generally what happens when there's like terror attacks and people

need to go there. But that's his excuse. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer also decided not to attend, although probably for different reasons. And so it seems like obviously the Democrats don't want to be there with him, but the Republicans don't seem to be all that enthusiastic about it either. There's some chance he'll get booed. Well, there were protests when he showed up, actually.

There were quite a few, apparently, groups of hundreds of people protesting his arrival there. I think it's interested that he showed up for there because they never even acknowledged the two black people who were murdered in the Kroger by a white supremacist before the synagogue shooting. But I guess this is big enough for him to get some press and make it about him. And the words that he uses, I'm looking forward to going playing happy. be. Like, it's just, you know, it's just so tone deaf, my favorite term, which people say, said on Twitter, because I say it so much. But it's just so offensive and it's so

disrespectful to the people who lost ones. These people are grieving. They are planning, they're in the middle of funerals. They're grieving and they don't want to, they don't want political drama to play, you know, to play out while they're doing what they need to do with their loved ones who they're laying the rest. A Holocaust. survivor died for being Jewish, for crying out loud. I just think that he's opportunistic and he takes, he's a narcissist, which we know, and this is an opportunity for him to go show his ugly face and go exploit the pain of other people, and we gotta shut it down, don't tweet about it, don't take, just put everybody,

turn your backs on him so he can go away. Yeah, so look, a president going after a tragedy like this, I find perfectly normal. But the problem is the context of Donald Trump, right? So we're gonna show you a video from Charlottesville. So this is what the alt-right chanted back then. Jews will not replace us. Jews will not replace us. Jews will not replace us.

After that, he said there are good people on both sides. So if you're a normal president, I disagree with you, George W. Bush, whoever, right? And boy, I mean, there's an argument to be made I disagreed with Bush more than Trump, that he did more damage than Trump. But he wasn't anti-Semitic. He never said there are good people on the Nazi side. So if he goes to an event like this, that makes perfect sense, right? Trump, who had to be coaxed into saying, hey, it's a tragedy, who said there are good

people on both sides after they murdered Heather hired, ran over 30 people, and chanted the Jews will not replace us. I think the temerity to show up after another right winger kills Jewish Americans, our brothers and sisters like that. Why do you think the other politicians don't want to show up with him? A guy who clearly encouraged both violence and anti-Semitism, not pretending he cares. Nobody wants a piece of that. I wanna say this too, because I'm so tired of people saying, oh, he has a Jewish,

son-in-law, one of the proud boys has a black wife. Let me just be clear so that we don't have to discuss this again because it's getting old. You can be married to a Jewish person, married to a black person, married to a Latino, and still be a racist. And that person can just be a self-hating minority or not even well aware of the racism that's around them. But please stop saying that Donald Trump has Jewish grandchildren or children that are half Jewish or it is insulting to people of color. When you use the example, oh, he hangs out with black people. That means he's not a racist.

Some of the things that Donald Trump has said very problematic. There are good people on both sides is not, we're not exaggerating. That's very problematic. That one young woman that lost her life in Charlottesville, people forgot about her. Like, she was not a human being. And that mother said, my daughter is not a talking point. You will not politicize that. And I'm sorry, Jake, I don't see Donald Trump as a president.

So him going to Pittsburgh is not, it's, it's, he, I see him as a celebrity who is constantly trying to get likes. And that is why I don't think he should show his face in Pittsburgh. Let those people grieve in peace. So the only excuse that some people use is, is it well, look. It's not that he's anti-Semitic for all the reasons that Ida just, you know, explained and shot down, but it's that he knows that his base is anti-Semitic. That's why he says there's good people on both sides.

He's just trying to encourage his base. Well, congratulations to him. He encourages him into murdering 11 Jews in the synagogue in Pittsburgh. So I guess well played if you're in that encouraging Nazi business. And what a bizarre line to draw that he's not anti-Semitic, he just wants more. people to be anti-Semitic. What do you think is the actual distinction between those two things? In practice, what is actually different?

And by the way, of course, like we, there's, like any time it's, hey, can we put together a list of awful things Donald Trump has done on X subject? You'll forget about 90% of them, but I mean, we can't help but remember when he tweeted out the thing about Hillary Clinton with how corrupt she was and how she's influenced by globalists with the star of David in the picture, when he gave the speech on Holocaust Remembrance Day and didn't mention Judaism or Jews during that entire thing, that seemed a little bit weird. And you could go on and on, of course.

Yeah. He's not a racist, but racism is not a deal breaker for him, I guess. And also, like, the people in this community, some want him to go there, you know, some don't, that that's up to them, really. But we also have to understand that we're going to have a talk later on the show about sort of his generalized responsibility for violence, but in this particular case, the whack job ended up shooting up the Tree Life Synagogue, the thing that apparently set him off that he was posting about on social media just hours before was the conspiracy theories about the

caravan. That is what actually set him off. And that is basically all that right wing media and right wing politicians had been pushing in the week leading up to that shooting. Now that doesn't mean that they pulled the trigger, doesn't mean they put the gun in his hands. But they were trying to get people worked up and scared. Most people, when you scare them, just vote Republican, some people shoot up a place. That is the America that we live in. Well, they may not have pulled the trigger, but as good Christians, life and death is in the power of the tongue. And you're not supposed to use your words to incite. And you're not used to, you are judged by what comes out of your mouth. You're accountable. The Bible also

says, better you not be born than to mislead my sheep. So when you hit me with this Bible stuff, You can't just decide what parts of the Bible you want to use to justify what you want to. This is wrong, and if you didn't pull the trigger, you should be praying for forgiveness and feel accountable for using your words to cause those people to lose their lives. Yeah. And the caravan conspiracy theory pushed by people like Republican Matt Gates from Florida was that Soros and the Jews are the ones sending in the caravan. And so, you know, they, and for guys like Gates, they just say Soros, but in places like Gab

and the far right places where they gather on the internet, they say, and the Jews, and the Jews control everything, and Trump says there are good people on both sides, but that caravan is an invading army and you've got to do something about it, well, this shooter decided he was going to do something about it, and he said, screw the optics, I'm going in. Yep. Yeah, and one final thing, like, obviously we are angry that the president and other politicians politicians, people with actual power were saying these sorts of things and getting people fired up.

But we have to remember that what drives a lot of what Donald Trump ends up saying and then it filters down to other Republican politicians is Fox News and in particular Fox and Friends. And they were pushing this before Donald Trump started talking about it, it was all over Fox and Friends. Now we're gonna give them a little bit of credit later on in one area, but in this, like they need to understand that if they are gonna be responsible for setting the agenda of America, because of the ridiculous place we're in as a country, they need to be more responsible too.

They may think that this is just sort of pragmatic electorally, but there's violence inherent in a lot of the things that they push for. If not they're that word that Ivanka doesn't know, complicit. Yeah. Okay, why don't we move on to slightly related topic? Facing pressure to stop demonizing his opponents in the wake of the synagogue shooting and the wave of attempted mail bombings over the course of the past week, Donald Trump has retreated to the safe space of Fox News and an interview last night with Laura Ingram.

And there he engaged in some really impressive what aboutism about political violence, as you'll see. I was in the headline of the Washington Post. My name associated with his crazy bomber. Hey, Al. Trump bomber or something. But I was in the headline when they got him. They didn't say bomber found. They talked about Trump in the headline. Now, they didn't do that with Bernie Sanders when he had. They didn't do that with the Democrats when other people came out. They didn't do that with President Obama with the church, the horrible situation with the church. They didn't do that. They put my name in the headlines.

We were already to the Bernie Sanders thing. But there, he said, why wasn't Barack Obama blamed for a black church being shot up by a white supremacist? I mean, I guess no one cares anymore that he makes no sense at all. But I guarantee you that there's idiot mager guys repeating that all over the internet. Yeah, well, yeah, Obama, why was he need blame for blacks getting shut up? Because he didn't encourage it, he did the opposite. He tried, I mean, that's such an insane thing to say, it's sometimes they say things that are so irrational, you almost don't know how to respond to it, right?

Well, they're like, obviously the clouds are purple and green, so aha, got you, your own. And you're like, I don't know how to respond by it, they're like, ha ha, we knew it. Yeah, because you just said something so monstrously stupid and irrational, how do you respond to Obama was, how come he wasn't blamed for black people getting killed in a church by a white supremacist? Yeah. Because he's deeply opposed to that? A hundred percent opposed to that?

What kind of an idiot says that? He would have got shot by the same person because he's black. And it's just ridiculous. So now let's go to the issue of violence. And so again, if you're in the media and you repeat Republican talking points, you are also complicit. It's a left wing mob. So they raised their voice at politicians, which by the way is the most American thing you could do.

Look it up in the Constitution, it'll be easy to find, it's the First Amendment. Okay, on the other hand, here's the stuff that Trump has said, June 29th, 2017. I'm sorry, this is Sarah Hockabee Sanders first, and I love this quote. She said, the president in no way form or fashion has ever promoted or encouraged violence. Really? And he seemed to be saying that in the clip. So let's go to the quotes. February 23rd, 2016, Trump, I'd like to punch him in the face, seems to encourage violence.

November 22nd, 2015, about another person that was protesting him. Maybe he should have been roughed up, St. Louis Rally, March 2016. Part of the problem is no one wants to hurt each other anymore. Did you understand that? He said part of the problem is that no one wants to hurt each other anymore, whereas Donald Trump is in favor of hurting one another. I mean, that's the whole, his whole point of Donald Trump is, why don't we hurt one another? Yeah, let's not forget, grab them by the, you know, because that is one of the most violent things you can do.

It's called sexual assault. Yep. All right, August 11, 2015, I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself or if other people will. Again, this is to encourage violence against his detractors. That is literally what it is. They are my detractors, they are my critics. Why don't you rough them up, punch them in the face, you should do the fighting.

Well, really fast on that because he likes that all of his defenders are saying Bernie Sanders and Scalise. Same thing, on last Friday's show, we broke down all the reasons that that's not true. But that last quote is directly in reference to the time when two representative of Black Lives Matter went on to the stage at a Bernie rally and he allowed them to speak. He gave the microphone of them. And the question was asked to Donald Trump, would you let a protester take your mic? And he says, I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself or if other people will. But no, you don't let protesters talk, you fight them. You physically assault them, violently assault them.

The exact opposite of Bernie Sanders, if that could penetrate the skulls of conservatives watching the show. March 11th, 2016. The audience hit back, that's what we need a little bit more of. Michigan, March 2016, if you do hurt him, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it. Iowa rally, February of 2016. If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would

you? Seriously? Just knock the hell. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees, I promise. So that is Donald Trump over and over again promoting and encouraging violence. Hey, there's someone who doesn't like me, make sure you physically assault them. And then he turns around like, oh, golly, gee, I don't know why people are blaming me for it, because you encouraged it nonstop.

And it's a fact, that's why we're blaming you for it. And anyone who doesn't, by the way, is not a real reporter. They like to play neutrality games. Well, some say that he encouraged violence, and some say he didn't. Well, there's a goddamn quotes. It's not a question. Like, is it a question that it's his fault specifically that the shootings and the bombings and all that happened?

Yeah, that's a question, okay? Did he encourage violence? Is not a question. I just read you the quotes. Are you dense? You should print in every article, President Trump clearly encouraging. encourage the violence. That is a fact.

But Republicans get upset at me for giving a fact. Then go find another profession. He thinks that violence is okay because didn't he say I could shoot someone in Fifth Avenue and they would still follow me? Yeah, that's right. You know? And hey, look at that. They shot 11 people in Pittsburgh and people are still following him.

Yeah. So I wanna ask you this because I've had a chance over the past few days talking about this for literally hours. As the bombs were being sent out and more and more people from Donald Trump's greatest enemies list were being targeted there. There were conspiracy theories, it was a false flag, it was secretly a leftist. And many Republicans said that publicly on Fox News, some like Candace Owens, tweeted it and then like a coward just deleted it after we found out who it actually was.

But then we find out who it is, and it is perhaps the ultimate Trump fan, the er Trumpist. So you weren't here, obviously, but I am curious what you think about that, and the fact that even though there is more evidence showing that he's a true believer of Donald Trump, Then really, you could, like, I can't produce as much evidence of the people I love in politics as this guy did for Donald Trump, they don't buy it. The Trump fans say, nope, stickers for Photoshop, it was all fake, they were too nice, and this was a plant. Hillary Clinton sent the bombs to herself and all of that.

Look, I've said it on many occasions, and now I'm for the first time starting to worry about what happens when they get killed in a week in the elections. They live in another planet and on that planet the truth is upside down. That's right. And so they just, look, people are just, by the way, and the reason you see me getting angry at the press all the time is because even in their like tweaking of Trump from time to time, they still don't get it, they're still so cowed by the MAGA guys. Like when there was a poll out that I think was about 59% of Republicans believed that the

FBI invented the whole investigation against Donald Trump, that it's a hoax that they made it up, okay? Well, that means 59% of Republicans live in an alternate universe where the FBI, there's no checks and balances, they just get in a room, they're like, all right, how should we do a coup against the president? What do you want to make up? Bob, hey, Sally, you got any ideas for what to make up? You're effing crazy if you believe that.

You're a total lunatic, and that is the majority of the Republican Party. So do they, will they believe that the guy was a Democrat instead of a Trump supporting Republican? Look at me, despite all available evidence, of course they will. Because they've lost touch with reality. They belong in an insane asylum. Now when they are convinced that there's going to be a red wave and then the Republicans lose 40, 50 seats, how are they gonna react? They're gonna think, oh my God, it was stolen, obviously, we had it.

In our universe, we're about to win, we're gonna win big. So how many more acts of violence will we have from Trump supporters after he encourages the violence? And he's encouraged them to live in an alternate universe. And when reality hits them, God knows what they're going to do. Yeah. And they keep talking about the liberals and how violent they are. You getting kicked out of restaurants is not the other side of a synagogue getting shot.

And that little, that's getting old and tired. People getting kicked out of restaurants and people chanting at them is what they're using. Some of them are saying is the other side to these people getting shot. Oh, the liberals are very violent. Really? That is not the same thing. What about a water being thrown in someone's face? What about them shouting at some guy at Del Taco?

Like, these are the same things. And listen, what about it all the way? I didn't condone that that man getting shot in that baseball game. I didn't think that that was acceptable and acceptable answer to a disagreement with that man's political views. Nobody who's rational things like that. And like I've been saying a lot recently, like all the attempted bond. They're shooting up the synagogue, you know, the various attempts to blow up abortion clinics and other stuff like they were failed attempts to blow up synagogues like a year ago.

This is how they act when they have every bit of government power in the country. When they have the White House and the Senate and the House and the Supreme Court and most of the governorships and most of the state legislatures, they are so fragile that even though they control everything, they are lashing out with horrific acts of violence. Imagine how they'll get once they're actually in the minority. It's gonna be ugly. Lord of the flies. Why don't we take our first break?

Yeah. Second break, I guess. All right. Another break, guys, we have more of where that came from, fortunately and unfortunately. And is Fox actually turning on Donald Trump? We'll discuss that in a minute as well when we return. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives, constantly monitoring us and storing our data.

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Let's go to the member section. Progressive Todd says, if you're not a racist but condone and encourage racism that in my book, you are a racist, I think a very fair point. Dr. K.S.M.D. says Trump may claim, no, I'm sorry, Trump may claim not to be a racist an anti-Semite, but he sure plays one on TV, Twitter, radio shows, print media, executive orders, campaign rallies, et cetera, okay? That's good. And this one, I'm gonna do a very bad job with the name, but Mona Tinelli said, what a sad

president we have. He has to crash a funeral where he's not wanted. And yeah, so I guess he's a funeral crasher in a sense. And then one from Twitter, Screet Gill asked, I don't see the logic of GOP constantly shouting support for Israel, but at the same time supports white supremacy, it's just not logical. Actually, to some degree it is. So the reason they support Israel is not because they like Jews. That's hilarious.

No, they believe in end times where almost all the Jews will be murdered. But in order to do that, there has to be a state of Israel and it has to destroy the Al-Aksa Mosque and start Armageddon from that area. So it is a murderous genocidal belief that fundamentalist Christians in this country have. And again, they're just a fundamentalist. They're not remotely all Christians in this country or elsewhere, but unfortunately, They're in charge.

So that's why they don't actually care about Jews at all. Israel's just a prop for them to get to the genocide. Okay, so before we go on to the answer I gave you guys earlier, I wanted to check in, I won't show John. You know we're doing the membership thing where if you do t.yt.com slash jank or Anna or or John or Francis or Hassan and sign up for membership through their pages, they're going to get credit for it and we're gonna have a scoreboard that we're gonna have every Friday. So I'm not going to- For how long?

Long time. The rest of your natural life. Yeah. So I'm not going to reveal the scoreboard now, but I just saw it, okay. Let me just tell you something. Anna is crushing us. Wait, but has she promoted? Did she know about it?

Yeah, yeah, she said it on air a couple times before she went on vacation. Well, how did she know about it? Okay, all right, God, man. That's not fair. All right, so- Am I in last? John, I do have to answer to that question. You out of five are in third place. Oh.

Wait, so, whoa, wait. Are we all tied at zero? No, no, no, they're real numbers. But why do I have any? I don't understand. Well, thank you. By the way, one, the people love you. Okay, well, thank you.

Two, we mentioned you when we were kicking it off. Okay. And we said we were gonna not tell you and goad you and then some people out of sympathy. They're like, ah, let me do it through that. So I'm in third. You're in third. Okay, so I just have to pass, I'm assuming Hassan and then Anna, and then I'm good. Okay, Anna, by the way, is lapping the field.

She has more than everyone else combined, okay? Okay, I'm coming for you, Anna. All right. I'm coming for you. And last thing, John has the, on his page, has the highest conversion rate. So of the people that go to the landing page, t.t.com, slash John, the ones that convert to members, you have the highest percentage. Okay.

You know, there's one other amazing thing about my landing page, which I did see today, unless they've changed it because I asked them to, it has possibly the photo of me that I hate the most that has ever been taken of me. It is a magnificent feat that they were able to land on a photo where I looked so terrible. Yeah, although there's a halo effect around you, which I found amusing. It doesn't help though. It kind of makes it worse. Okay, real quick, I got the answers for you guys that we talked about earlier.

So today, Donald Trump is talking about ending birthright citizenship, of course he can't do that. That's unconstitutional. He thinks he can do it through an executive order because he is asinine and doesn't know anything about the Constitution. Now, that part is clear. But what's interesting is, earlier in the program we were talking about that issue, and I mentioned that, hey, I'm not sure Baron was born at a time that Melania was a citizen.

And then one of you guys during the live show, t.wit.com slash live, sent in a message. I think it was one of our members who said, hey, Ivana, no, it was on Twitter actually, hashtag TYT live, and said Ivana's kids actually were born when she was not a citizen. So we looked into it while we're on the show, and I have answers for you. So Melania's situation is actually confusing because, and by the way, and probably, and probably on purpose. And so here's what I mean by that. It turns out Barron Trump was born in March 20th of 2006.

Melania Trump got her green card in 01, so that's fine, but I'll come back to that in a second, and became a U.S. citizen in March of 06. So that's all it says, that's all we could find. So it's the same month that Baron was born. So why do I say purposely? Probably, probably he was born and they realized this is fairly inconvenient, okay, Donald Trump, you know, even back then didn't like immigrants, et cetera, and hey, you never know what might happen, let's hurry up and get her citizenship so that, you know, we can say that

the kid was born to two U.S. citizens, right? But, you know, that is a little speculation, no question about it, but it is an interesting note that she got the citizenship in the same month. And by the way, Donald Trump, in saying that he would end birthright citizenship was not clear that it would just apply to people who are undocumented here in their kids. They might also apply to people who have green cards like Melania did, okay? But hold, it turns out the Ivana situation is much more interesting. She definitely became a citizen in 1988.

Well, Donald Trump Jr. born in 1977, Ivanka born in 1981, Eric Trump born in 1984. They were all born when their mom was not a U.S. citizen. Send them back, send them back. I don't know, lock him up first probably, then send them back. So Barron, we don't know. You know what, are we not merciful? Let Barron stay, okay? And he's a young kid, he's not an adult, so leave him alone.

Okay, the other three are adults, they're part of the political landscape. In fact, the Donald Trump Jr. works on his campaign. Ivanka is in the White House, has a policy position there, okay? And apparently they were, and this is not our philosophy, we're all progressives here. We believe in birthright citizenship, but Donald Trump just said he doesn't. And so their mom was not a citizen. And when they were born, yeah, they were born in America, but hey, it apparently does not apply anymore. So go, Czech Republic, off you go, off you go.

Send them back, send them back, send them back, send them back. I don't want to encourage that. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I have two followed questions though. The first is, how is Eric Trump younger than me? That is well, man, I don't know what lifestyle he's leading, but it is rough on the skin even compared to me.

The second though, but wouldn't Donald Trump being a citizen? matter enough? Or are you saying from their point of view, the far rights point of view, that's not good enough? They both have to be citizens. Well, when Trump ends birthright citizenship, well, the fact that they were born here is now irrelevant. Then we're having a conversation. Was the mom undocumented?

Was she documented? Is that relevant? So far he has said it is not relevant. He's made no such distinction. Okay. And then is one parent being a citizen good enough? Well, again, he hasn't made any distinction. And so I'm trying to apply what Donald Trump is talking about.

And since he hasn't made a distinction, presumably his kid should be set back. And I just would like to apologize, of course, to the Czech Republic. You got Eric coming. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's do the next story. We are actually over. Let's see.

Okay, okay, okay. The videos. Yes. Okay. In that case, so we had two videos remaining. Can you just cue up the last one, the Fox and Friends one actually, that'll speed it up a bit. Donald Trump is receiving a ton of strikeback for continuing to call the media the true enemy of the people after someone tried to blow up CNN, let alone all of the other anti-media violence

is going on under his presidency. But one influential group of quasi-journalists actually has a problem with it, and maybe, maybe might be able to get through to him, as you'll see. I really wish he would lose that term. It doesn't help anybody. It doesn't push back on the media that he wants to push back on. And I think that it gets too many other people lying, gets shrapnel with that statement. Because the press isn't the enemy, the people.

Some of the things they say and the way they stack their shows, the president could look at so they're targeting him and he's got a case. But that broad statement does a lot of damage. Well, I think he probably feels like they are not doing him any favors. And so he doesn't like him ultimately. But are they the enemy of the people? I don't think so either. Hey, we got two out of three of the friends.

It includes them. That is why. Yeah, it's just 100% right idea. When is a conservative ever care about anything? If it's about them. That's right. If it's about you, I'm not interested, okay? Like, I like that Bert and Ernie woke up and they were like, wait, we're in the media.

Wait, is that, does that mean people are going to come after us? Yeah. Oh, one day they might come after us. Okay, wait, I'm for the trade unionists. Yeah. Yeah, that's funny. They don't have to worry though, because we don't target members to the media. We target them with our critiques, but not with violence, thankfully.

I am curious, if they, in some hypothetical world, they're not going to do it. They'll move on, they'll forget that they ever said that, and they'll laugh every time he calls the media of the people when he phones in. But if they were to, day after day, continue to say, stop calling the media of the enemy the people, would that possibly break through? That is his favorite group of journalists in the country. Journalists. That's a good one.

Mine was actually Kermit and Miss Piggy, but, you know, hey, look, to each his own, he went with Bert Nernie. So, yeah, I think it could, because, you know, he says all the time with birthright citizenship like he just did, you know, they tell me, and he never clarifies who they are. A lot of his, it's a lot of his rich, goofy, thuggish friends that he calls all the time. And oftentimes it's Foxham Friends, as Lou Dobbs, is Bert Nernie, et cetera. And so look, and Brian Kilmead has somehow become one of the most powerful people in the planet. That's the world we live in.

And so I, but I will say always encourage people to do the right thing. So great job, Kilmead and Ducey in this case for at least nudging him back in the right direction. And you're one of the few people who he'll listen to. So thank you on that front. That's true. Was that Ainsley Earhart in the middle? I believe so. She didn't have anything to say about that?

No, she was looking at how cool. I apologize if we cut it. Maybe she said something later on, but they were going back and forth about the media, enemy of the people, and she's just like, yep. She was looking at how poor her jacket was. I guess some people really like the access. Okay. All right, God bless.

Thank you, John. Brett's coming up next, and there's a ton of stuff that makes me angry in the second hour. Oh, wait. There was one last thing, actually. If you are going to give someone membership, t.yt.com slash John is the place to go. And that was a nice dirty trick about his picture. Now everybody wants to go check out the picture. This guy's always thinking.

Yeah, it's a dirty trick, but also it's a horrendous picture for me. So the joke at the end of the day is on me. Yeah, this guy, it's like he almost got a PhD. Almost. Almost. All right, we'll be right back. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. Support our work, listen to ad-free, access members, only bonus content, and more.

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