The Young Turks - Trump's Not Happy! - June 24, 2025

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month Shopify trial and start selling today at ⁠shopify.com/tyt Cenk and Ana respond to leftists who claim there is no split within the MAGA base. Donald Trump sla...ms Israel for allegedly violating his ceasefire agreement in a SHOCKING moment. Mark Levin says “I hate this word ceasefire!” as he rails against diplomacy & calls MTG stupid. Hosts: Ana Kasparian & Cenk Uygur SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE ☞  https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks FOLLOW US ON: FACEBOOK  ☞   https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER  ☞       https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks INSTAGRAM  ☞  https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK  ☞          https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕MERCH  ☞      https:/www.shoptyt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, Wallyo Turks, Jake, you, Granite, and Kusparan with you guys. I feel better today because Trump has done some positive things today, which is a bit shocking. So we'll see if it holds. Brace for impact. Yeah, I know, oh my God, so I've been getting yelled at online all day.
Starting point is 00:01:00 So what's new? I know, right? What you're saying that Trump enforcing a ceasefire against Israel is a good thing? No, boo, we don't want Israel to have a ceasefire. No, but wait, we do want Israel to comply with a ceasefire. No, you have to eat Trump anyway. Okay, all right, well anyway, we'll adjudicate, we'll sort that out, okay? I think one of the best things that you can do to kind of understand this current political
Starting point is 00:01:26 moment, because a lot of things don't make sense. if you're kind of operating based on the old partisan lens. I wish that things were as cut and clear as they might have been in the early aughts, but they're not, they're not. And I don't, it's hard to make sense of how things are changing and realigning. You know, we'll talk about this tomorrow so I have time to produce it, but Candace Owens was on Pierce Morgan today for a one on one interview. That interview blew my mind, okay, because everything she said was accurate.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Everything she said was true and everything she said is reminiscent of what you would hear from a left wing show arguing against essentially aiding and abetting Israel in its genocide in Gaza, for instance. Yeah, so I'll say it. They had a whole giant Pears Morgan episode about this massive split in MAGA, but I went on Kyle and Crystal just a couple of days ago and they think there's no split at all. No, there's definitely a split, right? I mean, but that's what they said. So I don't know if they're on this planet. And when I asked them if they're on this planet, they got, they seem to get mad. And they, and they're by the way, to be like, to be fair to them, they're representing their audience. And their audience doesn't see it at all.
Starting point is 00:02:39 That's because they're not getting accurate information. Like if you think there's no mega split in the country, you're a little cuckoo for cocoa puffs. So hold on, hold on, hold on. I wouldn't say they're not getting accurate information. I trust that Crystal and Kyle are giving accurate information. I just mean in general. Hold on, but what I think is an issue, and I was guilty of this. This was an issue that I had in the way that I was covering stories some years ago. It's that you end up in a bubble and you don't even realize it.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Oh, that's definitely right. And when you're in that bubble, there's certain information that's not getting to you. You have to literally actively seek it out because of these algorithms serving up what the algorithm thinks you want to know or thinks you want to see. And so it doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything that Candace Owens believes in, obviously we don't, but that interview was fire. Everything she said in that interview was correct. And if you can't give her credit for saying things that we on the left believe, you really have to ask yourself, how are you operating?
Starting point is 00:03:41 Are you operating based on, you know, supporting a specific tribe no matter what? Yes, that's definitely what they're doing. And if you do that, well, then you're not driven by policy. You're not driven by actually accomplishing the policies that we think will make the country better. Yeah, look, it's not about Conchristel at all. I mean, oftentimes, I think sometimes these days, it used to be oftentimes, they're usually among the more reasonable. But these days, like, if you're on the left and you're watching any of the other shows, you're not getting accurate information at all. They're telling you that every, like the actual Trump voters are liars and they love war.
Starting point is 00:04:18 that's not true at all, right? So that's some of the Trump voters will do whatever Trump wants, but a lot of them are actually anti-war, and they're making it seem like almost all the other left-wing shows, as if the most extreme mager guy represents all 77 million Trump voters. And if you believe that, then you'll hate them. Of course, you'll want to call them fascists and racists and Nazis and all those things. But that's, that's maniacal. No, as you get closer to the middle, there's.
Starting point is 00:04:48 There's a lot of former Obama voters, former Bernie voters, anti-war voters, anti-establishment voters, and almost none of the other left-wing shows are acknowledging that. They're out in La La Land. And honestly, yes, most of the other left-way shows are totally lying to their audience. And they're saying, no, no, no, there's no split. They all will do whatever Trump wants, they're all the same voter, they're all hardcore MAGA, and they're all fascist. And by the way, as Kyle pointed at me and said, yes or no, is MAGA fascist?
Starting point is 00:05:18 Well, what an assonine question? What do you mean by Maga? What do you mean? And do you mean Trump voters? Because no, not all Trump voters are fascists. But if you say that in another left wing show, they'll lose their minds. They'll say, no, you have to call them fascists. I'm the purists, I'm the most left.
Starting point is 00:05:33 That's fine. That's fine. Give me clicks, give me clicks. I'm not interested in getting into the business of other shows and how they conduct business. You do you, boo, right? But look, I think, I just think that there's, I think that there is an interesting dynamic at play when breaking points, for instance, which I love, I listen to and watch breaking points almost on a daily basis at this point.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Crystal knows better than anyone, Sagar and Jetty is very critical of going to war in Iran. Very critical. He's not a left winger. How could you possibly say there isn't a split? How could you possibly say that? And what they'll do, I swear to God, and I know it, they'll move the goalposts. So look, you can look at it, we put the interview up on t.com slash press. And as you watch it, I just want you to like notice what happens, right?
Starting point is 00:06:24 I say I don't agree with Trump and I say, but we, I think I can get some of the Trump voters. Honestly, they're not listening at all. Then they just go back to. So here's what's wrong with Trump. And I'm like, yeah, I agree. That's what's wrong with Trump. So let's talk about how to get the voters in the middle. And they're like, okay, now here's what's wrong with Trump.
Starting point is 00:06:43 So like did I get frustrated? I'm like, wait, are we having the same conversation here? And so part of that is framing it as we're tougher and meaner on Trump voters. We got them, right? Oh, Jake, look at him being soft on Trump voters. That's not a real leftist. And as Kyle said, look, Ben, I don't catch. Well, I mean, you're not a leftist, number one. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:07:07 But I'm on the left. I'm massively on the left. Right, and they're like leftists don't represent the majority of the left. I mean, whatever words we use, right, radical left, whatever, they're a small sliver, right? And but they always make it seem like, we're the true left. Well, the polling doesn't indicate that at all, at all, okay? So, you know, Kyle was like, oh yeah, you're coddling. How many use like some profane language, et cetera, like, I'm okay, I'm a grown up.
Starting point is 00:07:35 That's fine. I don't care, right? But by the way, if I said that to Kyle, and I said, oh, I, you know what, by helping Trump and MAGA win elections by driving away their voters, driving away the voters that are anti-war, anti-establishment in the middle, you're cuddling their balls, Kyle. Well, hey, it's okay, we're all adults here, right? I mean, that's what he said. But if I said that to him in the middle of, I bet you he would have been super mad. Is that how you bottle balls? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:01 I think he did it that way. I don't have enough experience with him. Kyle seemed to demonstrate it pretty accurate, I guess. Anyway, seriously guys, look, it is what it is. We have differences of opinion these days. I'm not saying cancel them, don't watch them. I mean, she just, Anna just told you she watches breaking points. I go on bringing points, I have these conversations.
Starting point is 00:08:21 I'm trying to have conversations where we discuss what is the best strategy to take power away from Trump and bring those anti-establishment, anti-war, anti-corruption voters to to our side, and by our side, I don't mean establishment, Democrat. If you're gonna go in that direction, they're never gonna say yes. And by the way, I also don't mean radical left, because if you go in that direction, they're never gonna say yes. But if you go populist left, core Bernie, economic populism, they will say yes. So please, it's not about watch this show or that show, watch all the shows, get all of
Starting point is 00:08:57 the opinions, okay? Make sure you're getting the facts. And at the end of the day, think through, okay, it's easy for me to get tribal and and say, I hate those guys. That's an easy thing. And by the way, Kaas said, you know, you used to do that. And some of you guys wrote in yesterday and stuff. Yeah, yeah, first of all, I do it to their politicians all the time.
Starting point is 00:09:16 The politicians are different. You look up, you fight the politicians, okay? That's the difference. Right. I want to emphasize that. I want to say it again because people keep conflating the politicians with the voters. I'm not interested in attacking voters. I am interested in attacking the politicians.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Bingo. And by the way, and look, Crystal and Kyler, who pretty good on this, not some of the other shows, but also holding the Democrats account. Exactly, right? Because if you don't hold the Democrats accountable, you got no credibility. So, oh, yeah, the Republicans are terrible and they're all the devil. But the Democrats and Kamala Harris run perfect campaigns and Joe Biden's a saint, you gotta be kidding me, no way. But luckily, most people have moved on past that, right? And they were never in that camp in the first place. So look, look around, watch everything, and then see what do you think is the better
Starting point is 00:10:01 strategy. And Kyle said that the better strategy and repeated online throughout is we're going to win the left and liberals and then win the left. But that's what we've been trying to do. And we just lost twice the Trump doing that same exact strategy. You have to win the anti-establishment voters. You do that through populist left. I don't even think Kyle and Crystal would disagree with that. I don't know if some of the radicals or the establishment, the establishment guys will certainly disagree. Right. Maybe some of the radicals will disagree because you can't ever agree with anyone on the other
Starting point is 00:10:34 side about anything, right? But overall, please use your mind, please, by that I don't mean it like in a derogatory way. Use your own independent judgment. Don't take my word for it, don't take Kyle's word for it, don't take Randot's word for it, okay? Think through what is the best strategy? Is the best strategy to call the other voters fascists and drive them away? Or is the better strategy say, hey, if you actually do it?
Starting point is 00:10:58 agree with us, we're not going towards you, they're coming towards us, anti-establishment, anti-war, anti-corruption, then great, you're welcome. Welcome to come here. And I say that about the young Turks. Yeah, if you're an independent voter and you believe in populism and you actually meant all those things, you are definitely welcome here. And go ask the other left-wing shows, are they welcome? Now that I've stated it this way, they'll seem like jackasses if they say they're not. So they might pretend that they are. But every single day, they're like, Fascists, go away, go away, fascists, don't moat left, don't support the left. Well, if you do that, yeah, they're not going to support the left.
Starting point is 00:11:34 They're going to go away, just like you told them to. One of the things that Candace Owen said today, and look, it takes balls to say this. I don't think I have the balls to say it, but she literally said, no, I don't want regime change in you. I think we should have a talk about regime change in Israel. Yeah. And then she talked about how she believes that Israel has carried out more terroristic acts than Iran has, which look, yeah, that was strong. But my point is, she is willing to look at the broader picture, right?
Starting point is 00:12:07 Not just what's happening at this moment, but what has happened historically with the formation of Israel, the wars that have been fought on behalf of Israel, and she's calling it like she's seeing it. And so if there is a contingent of Trump voters, and she did vote for Trump, and now she's He's like speaking out against him because of what happened in Iran with the bombing of the nuclear sites and all of that. If there's a contingent on the right that consists of this anti-war, you know, ideology, on the topic of preventing wars, I will work with them.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Yeah, I will work with them, period. I don't care. I don't care if they're right wingers, if they are legitimate in being anti-war, not wanting to engage in regime change on that specific issue, yes. I will work with them. You want to know why? Because preventing war, to me, is more important than being pure to the left. I don't care about the left. I don't care about the right. I care about results. And I'm sorry, this false dichotomy, this BS like tribalism has only hurt the country. On areas where we can work together, we should work together. And I do think
Starting point is 00:13:17 that there's a contingent on the right, voters, and yes, a few media folks who are sick of the regime change wars. They're sick of the forever war. And they're not full of crap, okay? Because they literally say things publicly that could ruin them, but they say it anyway. Yes, supporting Kanye West and all that next to see. Oh yeah, I didn't even get to that part. No, that's a disaster. And even when she says, I want regime change in Israel, and Pierce says, yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:05 they should get rid of NetN Yahoo, all so good so far. And then she later talked about using the military in the context of Israel. And I'm like, okay, bring it down. Yeah, I agree. Okay, so now having said that, she's saying some of the things that we on the left, me, Amy Goodman, Bernie Sanders, have been saying for 20 years, but we're going to be get anybody to pay attention. And this sucks about American media. It's like super toxic about American media, but it's true. If you say it on the left, they're never going to pay
Starting point is 00:14:34 attention. The minute anyone on the right says, they're like, oh, that's such an interesting point. Oh, you know what? And we'll talk about it later in the show, Tom Massey, Candice Owens, when they say, hey, what has Israel done for us? Like if you ask that, we've been asked that question for 20 years on the left and nobody paid attention. The minute those two asked the question, the American media is like, wait a minute, that is a provocative question. What has Israel done for us, right? And the answer is zero, nothing, nothing. They've taken, taken, started wars, et cetera. So, okay, guys, this is last thing here, simple concept, but it hasn't been treated as a simple concept. You can agree with some things and disagree
Starting point is 00:15:17 with other things about a person. And I'm saying it like I'm almost being patronizing. Right, I get it. But that's because so many people say back, no, you can't. You know, you either have to be 100% for Trump or 100% against Trump. Same thing for Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, et cetera. If you even give them credit on a thing where they're agreeing with you, no, that's toxic, terrible, normalizes, blah, blah, blah, they make up a bunch of words. There's no normalizing.
Starting point is 00:15:45 There's no normalizing, okay? Candace Owens, it has been normalized, okay? She has a massive audience, massive platform. There's nothing Jank and I can do that further normalizes Candace Owen. She's wildly popular. No, it goes to a super arrogant sense of entitlement that I think actually comes more from the establishment Democrats. And it was perfectly illustrated in the Kamala Harris Joe Rogan situation.
Starting point is 00:16:11 They're like, Kamala shouldn't go on. It would normalize, it would platform Joe Rogan. Please, he has 39 million subscribers. He would literally be platform. coming Kamala Harris, not the other way around. And they're like, no, don't do it. No, but then you're stuck in your own little cave and nobody's platforming you and you're like, I haven't platformed anyone.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Yeah, that's why no one have heard from you. Okay, so like, he's giving you an opportunity to make your case. And that's another thing I was surprised by. I thought that they would see the bro shows are an open rebellion, right? Rogan again today, beating up Trump on immigration, not even the wars, right? Tim Dillon, Theo Vaughn, massively beating up Israel and saying, what are they doing for us and get out of the wars? I'm like, and they're like, nope, I don't see it. And they said that Rogan was like, I don't know, I don't want to paraphrase.
Starting point is 00:17:02 You can watch the interview for yourself, t.yt.com slash press. But like, he's, he put Rogan in the same batch as MAGA, I believe. I'm like, no, no, no. Rogan has a whole bunch of right wing positions I don't agree with. But he's not MAGA, that's a different category. He's in the brosphere. They're more independent, they're not in that same category. They agree, there's a lot of overlap, right?
Starting point is 00:17:27 But on war, and even on immigration, he's like, why are they kidnapping people off the streets in the middle of the country? He's actually been good on the topic of immigration. I remember Rogan got a lot of backlash in Trump's first term because he hated Trump's immigration policies and spoke out against it. So look, I think Americans are a lot more complicated and complex than all. all left or all right. I think most people are a mix of some conservative views, some liberal views, some far left views, some far right views. It's a mix, ordinary people are hodgepodge of political views.
Starting point is 00:18:04 And so I think the issue that I have in general is this effort or this obsession to impugn people's character based on their views on one issue or their opinion on one issue or the other. Or which side they're on. Or which side they're on. It's just pure, pure tribalism. It's like tribalism crack. So you know you're on tribalism crack when the other side comes to you and you reject them. Like we're not going to them.
Starting point is 00:18:34 They're like, oh, you're doing the strategy Kamala Harris and Joe Biden did where they try to get Republicans in the suburbs. No, they did that strategy by wrapping their arms around Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, and conservative corporatist positions. That's a terrible strategy. strategy. No, but when the other side comes to you and goes, you're right, we're anti-war, you're right, we like the idea of anti-corruption. Yeah, you could say, hey, you picked the wrong guy for that, Donald Trump. But the right guy is Bernie Sanders and others. You could have that conversation like grown-ups and like human beings, or you could do what a lot of the other left is doing. Fascist, wrong tribe. I hate you. Right. Well, then that brother
Starting point is 00:19:12 isn't going to have a conversation with you. Right. And he's not going to come to your side. Again, I find it so obvious, but yet there is a real massive school of thought that says, no, don't try to get those voters to come to your side. Call them evil and shun them and shun Rogan when he agrees with you, shun Candace Owens, Shun Tucker to shun all of them, even when they take positions that weren't like textbook, left wing anti-war positions, right? Yeah, look, guys. And that's just, to me, that's mental. But if you think that makes sense, okay, good. There's tons of left wing shows that are doing that. You'll be thrilled.
Starting point is 00:19:50 You'll go on there and they'll just, oh, they're like, oh, they agreed with us. They're liars. They're fascists. Ha ha! We drive them away. We drive all their voters away. Oh my God, there's like dozens of shows like that. So you'll enjoy that.
Starting point is 00:20:03 So look, the final thing I'll say is I became politicized in the lead up to the preemptive war in Iraq. And at that time, and for a long time after that, every single. single Republican, every single Republican, we're talking about voters, members of the media and the politicians, we're neocons, every single one of them. There wasn't an anti-war conservative to be found. And it brings tears to my eyes that today, that has changed. That is a good thing because we have to, we have to end this paradigm. It is crushing our country.
Starting point is 00:20:39 And so look, if you think I'm a bad person, if you think Jenks a bad person for being willing to work with anyone on the right who agrees with our anti-war stance, then you can go ahead and think we're bad people. I really don't give a damn because I want to see results, I want to see change, and you're not going to get it by living and dying in an echo chamber. Because of that, I'm forced to say one super last thing, guys. Of course. Of course.
Starting point is 00:21:02 So guys, I covered the Iraq war. Young Turks was on the air in 2002 in the lead up to the Iraq war. And so that was Ben Mancos and I back then. And we were one of only two national shows against the record. The other one was by the legend, Amy Goodman. So democracy now in the young Turks going, no, don't go in, don't go in. And they were doing the same exact playbook as they are in Iran now, right? Now here we are, we both survive, we lone survivors of original digital media, right?
Starting point is 00:21:32 And so, and now we're both against the Iran war. And tip of the hat to Amy Goodman, total legend, we appreciate you, sister. Okay. Still going strong by. Yeah. And so now that is why what Anna said, if you didn't live through it, you don't know it. I was tearing my hair out in the lead up to the Iraq war. They didn't attack us, they didn't attack us, it's a lie.
Starting point is 00:21:55 And the weapons of mass destruction, that's not even true. And we're not going to be greeted as liberators, it's crazy, right? And at the time, there wasn't a single Republican you could find. Every Republican was pro war. Correct. And anytime you saw your best friends of Saddam Hussein, support the troops. That's what everyone on the right would say. And almost everyone in the middle because of so much brainwashing by mainstream media, right?
Starting point is 00:22:20 Now we have allies on the right. And it's unbelievable, it's it's a great thing that they're allies. And even in this preposterous fantasy land thinking that they're all lying in unison, who cares? is they're telling their viewers to be anti-war. They're telling their viewers be careful about Israel driving this agenda like they did it in the Iraq war. So all of those viewers and voters are getting that message. And now we have allies and tons of people on our side are trying to drive those allies
Starting point is 00:22:55 away. Having fought with no allies at all against Iraq war, trust me, you're an infinitely better shape with allies. And then they'll say, oh yeah, but what good does it do? Well, without allies, without MAGA pushing back, would Donald Trump have been as clear about Israel, you're going to do the ceasefire, you're going to bring your planes back? Maybe he would have, and maybe he wouldn't have. And would he have been, remember when he first said, we're going to put ground troops into Gaza, MAGA pushed back ferociously, and he reversed it in 24 hours? Again, if you watch those shows, you don't know that probably, because they don't tell you when it works, right?
Starting point is 00:23:35 So I do know having half of MAGA push back against this or half of Trump's voters overall push back against this is definitely at least a little helpful so that we get to a moderation and don't bring ground trips into Gaza or Iran and get it mesh in a terrible war. And at the very least guys, get caught trying, trying to build an alliance to stop a war because policy is infinitely more important than which tribe you're in. 100%. All right, we gotta take a break when we come back, some updates on the ceasefire between Israel and Iran.
Starting point is 00:24:12 A lot of news to get to, so stick around, we'll be right back. All right, so there's like a million comments and I'll keep reading them throughout the show. I'll just read one here and then we'll get to the news. David Rodriguez wrote, I've lived in a hard right area all my life. I've never once shifted right. I've talked to so many right leading people along the years about politics and they're not psychos, they're human beings. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Okay, I mean it's such a simple thing, but these days if you say like MAGA is are human, that literally triggers some people, right? Yeah, if you say you believe in people power, then prove it. That's it. Oh, that's interesting too. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them on most of the things. I just want to, I have to keep saying that because people want to live in a black and white world. Okay, let's keep on.
Starting point is 00:25:18 All right, let's get to the news. This was a surprising thing to wake up to, but nonetheless, take a look. We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know. What the f*** they're doing? Do you understand that? I do, I do understand that. That was President Donald Trump. And as of this morning, it seemed as though the ceasefire deal between Iran and Israel was basically off.
Starting point is 00:25:46 And that was what Trump was responding to. He was frustrated by it. But what was even more surprising was the tough talk that he had for Israel. Take a look. Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they did. drop the load of bombs, the likes of which I've never seen before. The biggest load that we've seen, I'm not happy with Israel. You know, when I say, okay, now you have 12 hours, you don't go out in the first hour and just drop everything you have on them. So I'm not happy with them.
Starting point is 00:26:16 I'm not happy with Iran either. But I'm really unhappy if Israel's going out this morning because of one rocket that didn't land that was shot, perhaps by mistake that didn't land. I'm not happy about that. So he's referring to Iran allegedly shooting a rocket or a missile that may have been shot accidentally. It didn't hurt anyone. It didn't damage anything. And then in response to that, you know, Israel basically does what Israel usually does.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Okay, overreact, over respond, and use disproportionate force. Now, that's the reason why he had harsher words for Israel. And to be honest with you, I don't think I've ever heard an American president be so critical of Israel, openly, overtly. You know, you'll read about what they have to say about Israel behind the scenes, maybe. But in this case, wow. Now, let me just quickly say, Jenk, before I go to you, the ceasefire is back on. I still think it's a little bit fragile considering the fact that we all know that Israel wants a regime change war. That's what they want.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Now, their statements later in the day made me think, maybe this will hold. I don't want to get too hopeful because every time I get too hopeful, things fall apart. But, Jank, I'm curious what you think. No, I'm going to go way further. I loved it. It's the first time I've ever seen an American president do that in my lifetime. And so, okay, now the usual caveats, and then I'll get back to why I loved it. That doesn't mean I love Trump.
Starting point is 00:27:46 That doesn't mean I agree with everything Trump does. That doesn't mean that I agreed with Trump when he dropped bombs on Iran. It doesn't mean that I have a mind meld with everything Trump does just because I agree with one thing he did. Okay, now back to our regular programming. Okay, so did you ever see Biden going, both these countries Israel and Iran are effing around, right? No, he would never say that about Israel. And so him yelling at Israel, this is just unprecedented.
Starting point is 00:28:17 I mean, show me an American president who yelled at Israel in my lifetime. NBC News reported today that the Israelis were stunned. Stunned by- Yes, yes, okay. And so look guys, it's not just standard caveats, it's true. He started the war in the first place, he shouldn't have done that, right? He shouldn't have dropped the bombs, and I was furious with him, and we were on tape, you know, you saw it when it happened. When he does terrible things, you massively criticize him, right?
Starting point is 00:28:45 Now when he's doing the right thing and going, okay, well, now we're gonna do a ceasefire. And Israel, the ceasefire also applies to you, then you go, okay, add-a-boy, finally an American president, right? Because every time there's a ceasefire, if you don't know this, Israel breaks it. Is it every single time? No, is it almost every time? Yes, okay? So what Israel did this time was the same as they've always done. They're like, oh, ceasefire, great.
Starting point is 00:29:12 We'll get to keep bombing him. They dropped a hundred bombs on Tehran after the ceasefire. That's why Trump was furious. He said, he's like, I said ceasefire. So I mean, we're gonna give you the details. He called Netanyahu, et cetera, right? But for an American president to say no, Israel was wrong, because the framing of the question, the media as always was like, are you gonna yell at Iran for breaking the ceasefire?
Starting point is 00:29:38 And that's when Trump said, no, they both broke it, and I'm more mad at Israel. And I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. Right? Normally what an American president would do is, yes, Iran broke the ceasefire. They'd lie on behalf of Israel. They say, yes, Iran broke the ceasefire, we hate Iran, we're thinking of going back and bombing them again.
Starting point is 00:29:58 And of course, Israel's right about everything. The very fact that an American president is not, is saying that Israel is wrong is unprecedented. And it's an enormous relief. He could turn around any minute now, but for now, I'll take it. Okay, so luckily the ceasefire appears to be holding for now. Now, okay, so as of this morning, the Wall Street Journal reported that Israel confirmed the ceasefire saying that it had achieved its war aims, having removed a dual existential threat from Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programs.
Starting point is 00:30:34 So they want to claim victory, and if that's what we need to allow them to do, just so they like step back and stop warring with Iran, great, yes, you guys won. You guys did everything you wanted to do. Foreign Minister had said that his country would stop its attacks as long as Israel stopped theirs. In addition to that, and much to the chagrin of neo-conservatives like Mark Levin, Trump made clear that the U.S. was not seeking regime change in Iran. Now remember, over the weekend, he flirted with the idea of regime change in Iran. But I think something happened between then and now, likely a contingent of his supporters were like, we didn't
Starting point is 00:31:17 vote for this. You said that you weren't going to start new wars. This is a new war. So he might have backed off for that reason, but we don't know for sure, obviously. Israel has lifted nearly all wartime restrictions on civilian movement and economic activity in Israel. And the Israeli airport authority said Ben Gurian and Haifa airports are returning to full activity. They wouldn't do that if they intended to start bombing Iran again. But what should be concerning is what the Wall Street Journal also reported about how Israel is now going to shift its attention back to Gaza. Now let me be clear, the slaughter has continued in Gaza. That hasn't stopped. Every single day, there's new reports about dozens of civilians getting a shelled at, shot, killed by IDF
Starting point is 00:32:03 soldiers. And you also have the chief of staff for the IDF saying, we have concluded a significant significant phase. Now the focus ships back to Gaza, to bring the hostages home and to dismantle the Hamas regime. So I'm worried about things getting even more brutal for Palestinians in Gaza. We can talk about that in just a minute. But Jenk, I was unfortunately juggling, you know, my mom in the hospital and the news today. But tell me about the conversation that Trump had with Mimi Netanyahu. Yeah, the sources from both mainstream. media and MAGA media saying that he ripped Nanjahu a new ehul. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Okay, and and not like when Biden would fake go, oh, I am so mad at you, how big do you want the check to be, right? Now to be fair to Biden, he did not want to attack Iran, right? So fair is fair on all of that. So now, in terms of what's the next part of this is, I'm really worried about it. So the good news is that it appears as Israel actually does want to start. the war with Iran, which I'm super afraid to say, because again, they could change any second now and they usually love war and they leaked intel today, not Israel, somebody leaked it
Starting point is 00:33:21 from our intelligence, but half the time that's usually fake Israeli intelligence. Either way, I don't know if it's real or fake, but they say, oh, I don't think we got all of the uranium. I think we, you know, I'm not saying we got to go back, but us, CNN is reporting that and the pundits are out going, oh, we got to go back, we didn't get all the uranium. Right, so it's possible that Israel doesn't really want peace and they might want to keep- No, no, no, no, no, let me finish. Yeah, I hear you. No, there's two potential objectives that they have, right? Well, they've stated those two objectives, so they're not potential. So the question is, are they going to try to pursue both or only one of them, right? And why would
Starting point is 00:33:58 they only pursue one of them? One of their objectives was not the nuclear stuff. They don't have a nuke, they knew that they weren't going to have a nuke. It was for regime change. So they didn't get regime change in Iran. They did destroy those facilities and they struck back, but are they satisfied with that or are they going to get greedy and push and push? But the second objective, don't lose track of this, is a bigger objective for Israel, which is, hey, I just destroyed Hamas, the whole idea of dismantling, literally all Hamas leaders are dead. Okay, they destroyed Hezbo. Literally all of Hezbollah's leaders are dead. So they have new leaders because that's what happens when you kill their leaders, right? But they decimated them as much
Starting point is 00:34:35 as they could possibly decimate them. They cleared out Western Syria, they cleared out southern Lebanon, and now they've cleared out any offensive capabilities of Iran. So now, militarily, there's no one to defend the Palestinians. Yes, thank you. Okay, yes. So now you could say, hey, they shouldn't have defended them that way, and it's terrorism, and it's awful, et cetera, okay, no problem, okay?
Starting point is 00:34:55 But that is what was happening. And so now without that, Israel thinks free reign, total ethnic cleansing, drive them into the desert. And this is again, not speculation, it's not anti-Semitic. Their cabinet voted on it. And if it's anti-Semitic, then their cabinet is anti-Semitic. Because they voted on it that they're going to conquer Gaza and take all of it for Israel to set up greater Israel, right? Yes, yep. So now they think, okay, now we've decimated any defense they might have had. And Trump will let us do whatever we want as long as we're not bothering him. So now we get to to finish the genocide, okay?
Starting point is 00:35:32 And so that is probably their number one motive and why they don't mind backing off from Iran at this point. But like I said, they might get greeting go, nah, now we want both. We want regime change and to ethnically cleanse Gaza, so they might agitate for more war. So we don't know that yet, and we'll see how the developments are going. But you could tell that Netanyahu is relatively okay with the ceasefire, and oh, by the way, Also because he wasn't going to listen to it. He thought that, oh, ceasefire means they stop attacking and the American president lies
Starting point is 00:36:06 for me and I get to keep attacking, right? So he didn't expect that Trump would say, no, you stop too. He was like genuinely shocked by that. So okay, but it seems like he might not mind banging away. How do I know that because Mark Levin, who basically is, I mean, he's Israel first, obviously. He's a neo-conny, he's a war hawk, et cetera. So he was like, ah, this is terrible, I hate the word teeth, right? And then afterwards he put out a tweet going, oh, I'm so hanging about that.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Netanyahu says it's okay. Yeah, that's right. Shut up, bitch. So since he's a little puppy dog bitch for Netanyahu, when he goes, that's okay. That means Netanyahu's told him, hey, go tell America, sucker Americans that it's okay. I'm now delivering a message through you, but you're American. Don't get a buck. They still think you're in American.
Starting point is 00:36:54 That's hilarious. Go ahead. Now, back to Trump's motivations at what might have persuaded. persuaded him, you know, polling indicated that Americans felt a certain way about going to war with Iran, bombing Iran. Let's take a look at what our good friend Harry Enton had to say about it. Things are moving quite quickly, but these are initial readings. And I will say from a historical perspective, I am surprised that the net approval rating is so low on these strikes. And it's in two different polls.
Starting point is 00:37:21 It's our CNN, SSRS poll, 12 points under order, one thumbs down. How about the Reuters-Pol? Look at that. The exact same reading. Minus nine points underwater. Two thumbs down. Normally these airstrikes rate quite highly, but this one, you go back through history, it rates as the lowest that I could possibly find on the historical record. How about Republican opinion on this? Yeah, you know, I think there's this idea, okay, maybe the MAGA base wouldn't necessarily like this. Look, this is Donald Trump's Republican Party. That's who I think is so important to note. GOP on the U.S. airstrikes in Iran, 76 percent in the average of the two polls approved compared to just, 18% who disapproved. Now, I will note that is a bit higher than Donald Trump's disapproval
Starting point is 00:38:00 rating within the Republican Party. But overall, Republicans are with Donald Trump on this. Tucker Carlson be darned. Tucker Carlson be darned. Now, I wish that same poll got into the idea of a protracted or prolonged war with Iran over their alleged nuclear program, which it was never really about their nuclear program. How do Republican voters feel about a regime change war. I still believe that the majority of Republican voters probably would back a regime change war in Iran. But I think the percentage who would not back it would would increase significantly if we're talking about a long forever war in an effort to change the regime in Iran. Yeah, yeah. No, no, this is one, I've given to Harry Anton a lot of credit before, but this is one
Starting point is 00:38:45 where he's massively biased. I don't know if it's him or CNN, but it's comical. So first off, He's like, I don't know why it's so low. I mean, what the hell? Of course you should bomb around. Harry, you're saying in out loud. Like we can hear you when you say, I don't know why it's so low. I need it to be higher. Attack, attack.
Starting point is 00:39:04 CNN's telling me in my ear attack. Okay. But that's not even the big tell. The big tell was in the second poll. They said in a combined average of CNN Rogers, and I was checking the bottom as he was saying that to see what the source was. Because I know in the CNN poll, more Republicans disagree with Trump. They did an average to lessen the effect of their own poll.
Starting point is 00:39:29 To be fair, every time we use a Harry Enten clip, he does do averages. No, no, no, no, no, no. Doesn't he? No, he sometimes does a poll and he did on this issue too. And then he'll say, and most of the polls are like this. Sometimes he'll use averages. A lot of times he'll use a single poll. I haven't seen him combine just two polls like that.
Starting point is 00:39:50 To be fair, they were on the same issue. Right. I could see why he would combine them. But like, I noticed that the CNN poll came out more MAGA disagreeing with Trump. And I remember thinking because we covered this once before, huh, I wonder if they'll report that. And what do they do? They didn't report it by itself. They put it together with the Reuters poll to drive up the number.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Because what they're basically saying is, now Donald Trump, if you want to make your base happy, They still attack Iran. I mean, attacking Iran is a really, really good idea. I don't know why these overall numbers are low. But remember, among your base, not bad, not bad, keep going, keep going. Come on, man, come on. It's, you're being super obvious. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:29 And this is of course the same CNN that we showed you yesterday, immediately brought on a general to say, you know, Trump was brilliant and decisive, and these strikes are great. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I saw another clip just earlier today where they had this hilarious thing, they're like, Marjorie Taylor Green, it's in one of our stories today, Marjorie Taylor Green seems to be splitting and saying that the real Maga is against the war, and she's attacking neocons. And CNN goes to a neocon pundit.
Starting point is 00:40:59 And the pundit goes, there are no neocons. Right, right. And Maga does whatever Trump wants and Trump is for the war. Okay, oh, okay. So why don't we do this? Why don't we take a break, come back, and we're gonna show you that clip, you're going to see exactly how it went down. It is an incredible story. There is that split in the Republican Party, the anti-war versus the pro-war. And we're gonna, we're
Starting point is 00:41:27 gonna provide the proof. We'll be right back. All right, back on TYT, Jank, Anna and Sarah Ghanab. Sarah, thanks for joining. And she hit the join button below the video on YouTube. We appreciate it. TYT.com slash join is amazing. Please do that. And, oh, you could also hit the subscribe button for free and ring the bell for free as well.
Starting point is 00:42:07 All that helps the show. We appreciate you guys. Anna. Let's get to our next story. Marjorie Teller Green has to be one of the dumbest people to ever serve in the House of Representatives. The stupidity that comes out of that woman's mouth is hard to imagine. I can't believe that Fox News allows one of their hosts to go around and call me names on his social media. That is so unprofessional.
Starting point is 00:42:31 And it really speaks to what kind of media company Fox News is. His screeching is absolutely unbearable. But I think Fox News needs to. to reel him in. I think his screeching is hilarious and I sometimes watch for a comedic effect, honestly. But who you just heard from is Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, a Republican congresswoman. Speaking about Mark Levin, a neocon who has never met a war, especially in the Middle East, that he didn't love, and has been pushing for a regime change war in Iran on behalf of Israel.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Now this right wing feuding continues this time between Warhawk Mark Levin and Maga darling Marjorie Green. And their battle is reaching a fever pitch this week especially as you know, you have Mark Levin agitating for this ongoing war in Iran and Green calling for peace. So on Mark, Matt Gates' show, Green pressed Fox News to basically reel in Levin, Levin after he called her a shameless nitwit for opposing bombing Iran's nuclear sites. And as we'll get into shortly, Levin also would love for the war to expand beyond just bombing nuclear facilities. Green also argued that the MTG Gates-C Carlson side of the party was more representative of MAGA as a whole. So take a look.
Starting point is 00:44:02 reaction to Mark Levin saying we aren't real MAGA because we don't want a regime change war in Iran. He was a never-trumper from the beginning. He hated Donald Trump. He was totally against him and tried to stop him from becoming president. But yet now somehow Mark Levin is the voice of MAGA, I don't think so. Matt, you and I, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, all of us had been fighting hard to stay on these America First policies and stay out of foreign wars. We're MAGA. We're the voice of MAGA. And the people totally agree with us. So, you know, it doesn't matter what Mark Levin actually has to say. People don't watch his show. I don't know anyone that watches his show. Again, some people do watch to laugh at him. But Levin did not take kindly to what Marjorie Taylor Green had to say there. He writes on X, MTV, God, you were stupid. And you keep banging your head against the wall. Thankfully, the president of the United States
Starting point is 00:45:01 ignored you and hit the Iranian nuclear sites, you seem very upset about it, I'm not going away, you're on my radar. To which Green responded, this is extremely sick and disturbing. Please read to the end. Mark, you have the exact same tone and language that the psychopaths use that send me death threats every single day. You should be fired from Fox News and shame on Fox if they condone this. I am for peace. I oppose war, including war. Israel wages, should I feel that my life is in danger now, too? What about President Trump, who strongly rebuked Israel this morning for continuing to attack Iran? And Marjorie Taylor Green is right about one thing.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Levin isn't about peace. And Tucker Carlson, by the way, exposed something pretty interesting about him on his podcast recently. Let's take a quick look at that. And then we'll go to Jank. Nobody's dragging us into anything. It's not the Jews. It's not Israel again. No, long range, intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads are for you and me and your children and your grandchildren.
Starting point is 00:46:15 That's what's airing on Fox. By the way, that same person, Mark Levin, who was a totally minor player in Fox World up until recently, I can tell you, firsthand, suggested today that we send nuclear weapons to Ukraine to. And I should just make it clear, in the last clip that we played, he said intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads are meant for you. They're going to kill you. The mullahs. Ron doesn't have intercontinental ballistic missiles. It doesn't have nuclear warheads. Like, all of this is, it's deranged. Yeah, pretty deranged. You know what else is deranged? Pretending that they are not disagreeing. A lot of people on the left say there's no disagreement. No, disagreement's real, it is. I mean, like, it's obviously real. It's the most appears Morgan just did a whole episode on the split in the MAGA coalition.
Starting point is 00:47:10 But if you listen to other shows, they'll tell you don't believe you're lying eyes. I don't know, well, some of them, not all of them, also told you that Joe Biden was young. Okay, so yeah, no, there's clearly a huge split here. And this split's not difficult to ascertain, right? What's going on here? The Israel first crowd always wants us to do whatever Israel wants. do whatever Israel wants, right? And Mark Levin is a despicable person on a hundred
Starting point is 00:47:35 different levels, including when he says, oh, it's against Israel, it's against the Jews. No, no, don't conflate the two. You're gonna drive up anti-semitism, you schmuck. Exactly, right? No, nobody's saying anything against the Jews, and as I've said, a billion times. So the best fighters for peace in America are Jewish Americans.
Starting point is 00:47:53 So this is nothing new with the Jews. But when you bring it in, you're ironically doing the anti-Semitic trope of all Jews have dual loyalty to Israel. No brother, that's you, not other Jews, okay? You're doing projection because you would love to serve Israel. So why don't you move to Israel and sit in Tel Aviv and tell us all these wonderful things. But leave my Jewish friends and family out of this. Okay, you got no right to talk about him like that. Okay, so now you go to Tucker and he, and he, I was writing it down as he said it, wait, Iran doesn't have intercontinental
Starting point is 00:48:26 ballistic missiles or nukes or warheads. So, We're all about to get murdered by weapons they don't have. Why? Because this is, and now this is again, it's literal. It's not some sort of trope or anything. Israel's leaders and predominantly Benjamin Netanyahu for the last 33 years is on tape saying they're going to kill us all. They're going to Iran is going to nuke America.
Starting point is 00:48:48 America's in danger. Any minute now, any minute now, any minute now, any minute now for 33 straight years. So obviously Israel wanted us to attack Iran and Mark Levine wants us to do whatever Israel wants and Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Green are saying something that's logical if you're a right winger. When your movement is called America first, they're saying, wait, why don't we take care of America first and have a conversation about wait, does this help us or not help us? How does it help us? Let's just talk it through. And that's when Mark Levin and all the Israel first guy is jumping and go,
Starting point is 00:49:23 I know how are you? I don't know what I'm going to say. It's come on. propaganda, it's usually in the context of Fox News. And to be fair, Fox News has had wall-to-wall pro-war propaganda ever since the idea of, you know, bombing Iran or doing a regime change war in Iran started. With that in mind, though, also consider that CNN likes to air this type of pro-war propaganda quite often as well. And you're going to get a little taste of it right here. The individual that you're going to hear from is conservative commentator Jonah Goldberg responding to Marjorie Taylor Green.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Let's watch. She posted on X, or on X, it feels like a complete bait and switch to please the neocons, workers, military industrial complex contracts, and neocon TV personalities that MAGA hates and who whirmpers. Yeah, well, that's stupid. You know, I mean, part of the thing is we just, what, a month ago, Laura Lumer purged the last alleged neocons from the White House. There are no neocons, whatever she thinks a neocon is other than some sort of perfidious bagel-snarfing warmonger.
Starting point is 00:50:57 There are none in the White House, right? They've all been purged. Anyone who's suspected of neocon of being a neocons has been purged. This isn't the Nikki Haley people making these calls. This is Trump and his team doing this. Okay, so Jonah Goldberg is playing dumb because as we know, and as we've seen through her posts on X, Laura Lumer is a neocon and loves neocons and lied about the fact that she has a problem with neocons and got Trump to purge them. If you remember, we were skeptical about that whole
Starting point is 00:51:27 narrative, right? But at the same time, who serves in Trump's administration? I've learned doesn't actually matter, okay? What matters is who spoke to Trump last? Because remember, remember Trump had dinner or lunch, I can't remember, it doesn't matter. He met with Mark Levin right before he started making really bad decisions in the Middle East. Yeah, of course. So, no, that was hilarious because they read a quote about neocon TV personalities. And then a neocon TV personality comes out and says there are no neocons. And there are none in the White House. And there are none in the White House. Why? Because Laura Lumer purged them.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Laura Lumer is a neocon. She's this real first. 100%. So he's like, I mean, what a. hilarious liar Jonah Goldberg is. I watched the rest of it. Then he went on to say, you know what? I normally disagree with Trump, but this strike against Iran was a really good idea.
Starting point is 00:52:25 So, oh, really, now that he did something Israel wants, a neocon TV personality like you decided that you all of a sudden like Donald Trump. Bingo. Funny how that works against Israel's interest. Oh, terrible, I can't stand him in favor of Israel's interest. Donald Trump is so good. There are no neocons. So let's do Jonah Goldberg a favor.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Okay, you're about to hear from Mark Levin, the guy who met with Trump right before Trump decided to engage in this conflict with Iran. So Levin, not so happy about the ceasefire that was reached between Israel and Iran recently. In fact, why don't we hear what he had to say? I hate this word ceasefire. I really did. The president hated it a few. days ago, too. What's needed now is this, in my humble opinion. Iran should be forced to sign
Starting point is 00:53:20 a surrender document, unconditional surrender. They lost their nukes. They've lost their air force. They have no ground to air protection. China didn't step in. Russia didn't step in. Not a single Arab country stepped in. The Supreme Nazi is hiding in a bunker, much like Adolf Hitler did. Adolf Hitler wasn't thrown a lifeline. He was going to be killed. So he committed suicide. So he hates the word ceasefire, he loves war, very, very upset. You know, he's like- There are no neocons. There are no neocons. And there are no neocons on TV or radio either, apparently.
Starting point is 00:53:56 I mean, look, that was hilarious in a couple ways. So first of all, he says, well, and they should be forced into an unconditional surrender. Okay, so obviously they're never going to agree to that. And hence, permanent war. That means you have to have ground troops for them to unconditionally surrender. You have to find the Nazi in his bunker. And so you have to go in with American troops. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Exactly. Okay, hey, why doesn't Israel go in with their troops? Ah, that's anti-Semitic. Now, you can't have Israelis dying. The Israelis are worth a thousand, 10,000, a million American, I mean Arab, I mean lives. Okay, yeah, that's what I thought, Mark. That's what I thought.
Starting point is 00:54:33 No, you want us to fight this war for you. So the minute that Trump does a ceasefire, remember, there's the same Mark Levin for the last couple of days as Trump did the bombing was like, You have to listen to what Trump says. Trump is MAGA, Trump defines MAGA, Trump is America right. And that's what you have to look at the Trump. The minute Trump says ceasefire, don't listen to Trump, listen to Israel instead.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Okay, we got it, Mark, we got it. For God's sake, move to Tel Aviv where you'll be happy, they'll be happy, everybody will be happy. You're, look, to say that Jews have dual loyalties, absurd, absurd. John Stewart talked about it the other day, he's like, I have loyalty to Jersey. That's where I grew up, that's my homeland, right? I feel the same way, right? And our ethnic backgrounds are different. Our culture backgrounds are the same because we both grew up in New Jersey, right?
Starting point is 00:55:21 So but for guys like Mark, they can't understand that because they do have dual loyalty. And they think like following Israel's orders is paramount, paramount, paramount. Now you're look, you're allowed to have that opinion and I'm sure there's some Norwegian Americans who think Norway's more important than America. Norway's doing well, okay? It happens, it happens. Norway doesn't need any help. Yeah, don't judge anybody else based on Mark Levins' comments or actions.
Starting point is 00:55:45 But he definitely is not anywhere near America first. And lastly, CNN, at least for now, CNN is the one who brought on Jonah Goldberg. Exactly. I just wanted to like, yeah, you Jonah Goldberg, Mark Levin, et cetera, are neocons, I get it. But CNN doesn't label him a neocon. They let him pretend as if he's objective and then says this absurd Trumpian type of thing where he says there are no neocons and CNN doesn't challenge them at all because CNN is kind of neocon. That's why they're playing around with their poles.
Starting point is 00:56:18 That's why all of a sudden they, they've got breaking news. We did not destroy the nuclear facilities. We have to go back in for more. This is the same CNN that drove us into the Iraq war. You know, Abby Phillips' show, which is, you know, in the prime time slot, is performing really well. And I don't think that's an accident. I think it's performing well because she consistently has a pamphers, panel of diverse opinions debating each other each night and so shocked they let her do that.
Starting point is 00:56:46 I love it. By the way, it's the most interesting show on CNN. It is, it just is. Yeah, because you're at least exchanging opinions. Yeah. Every once in a while, a progressive sneaks on there or a populist sneaks on there. A populace sneaking out to CNN is unheard of. They generally speaking, they despise populace, and they don't know that. They just think like, they don't have credibility. They don't have elite status. Please go away. A neocon, you have such a lead status. Really, do they? What, how did they earn it?
Starting point is 00:57:14 Oh, did you know that Jonah Goldberg was part of a magazine that sold to 87 or maybe 88 different people? Everyone online as audiences a thousand times, a million times larger than Bill Crystal, Jonah Goldberg, or any of these neocons. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, they have credibility, according to CNN. But hey, at least they do in one show. All right, we gotta take a break when we come back. Let's talk about podcasts, okay? Let's talk about podcasts.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Theo Vaughn has Sassy Massey on, okay? Let's talk about their conversation. And a conversation I did not expect to hear on Tucker Carlson's show, full-blown anti-war conversation with a former Fox News host. We'll talk about who that host is, what they're saying, and more when we come back. I don't know.

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