Trump's Shutdown Meltdown Hysterics And Federal Employees Told To Do 'Favors' During Furlough
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04:55Anyway, totally uninteresting.And New York Times is next, New York Times is next.So let's go do that if you can, t.t.com slash media, that would be amazing.Okay, enough of that, Anna, let's go to the wall.All right.Trump's meltdown over the funding for his border wall continues, and his latest threatsinclude just shutting down the US-Mexico border if he doesn't get exactly what he wants,which of course is $5 billion in the spending bill for the border wall.
05:25Now I have to give credit to Democrats who have refused to concede to Trump, and it appearsto be paying off for them.At least that's what the polls indicate.But before I get to the polls, I'm going to give you Trump's threat, which he issued, of course,via Twitter.He said, we will be forced to close the southern border entirely if the obstructionist Democratsdo not give us the money to finish the wall and also change the ridiculous,immigration laws that our country is saddled with, hard to believe there was a Congress
05:55and President who would approve.So that's what he has to say, but can he unilaterally shut down the border wall?And if he can, what kind of consequences would that lead to?Well, luckily, CBS News talked about this, and one of their experts, White House experts,gave us some details about what this means for, I don't know, things like our economy.A look.In theory, the president can use federal law with wide discretion to take lots of differentenforcement actions at the border.
06:31Shutting down the entire border, which is something the president has talked about,would be legally questionable and logistically challenging, to put it mildly.There have been times in American history, most notably and most memorably after 9-11,where certain parts of the U.S. border were shut down forlegitimate fears of terrorism and in migration and those very, very tense days right after9-11, all sorts of different security postures were taken because the country didn't knowwhat was coming next. So in theory, the president does have the power to do this, carrying itout across the entire U.S.-Mexico border. As I said, would not only be a great logistical
07:13challenge, it would impose immediate and very noticeable economic pains on both countries. There's atremendous amount of trade.So let's talk a little bit more about the economic impact if this were to happen.And I don't put it past Trump, to be clear, I think that he would do something like this.But here's what the consequence would be.Keep in mind that about $558 billion in goods flowed across the border in both directionslast year.Also the US exported $243.3 billion in goods across the border along with $58 billion dollars
07:48dollars in services.So this is serious, but I don't think that this is something that Trump has studied or reallythinks about.And it would again have huge consequences for our economy.And it would be a logistical nightmare.So two more facts.So trade across the border is, according to some experts, about a billion dollars a day.So if you look at those numbers, it actually comes out to more than that.
08:15But this is the part I did not know and did not expect.It's a big number.It turns out nearly half a million people enter the U.S. each day from the border.Legally.Yeah.And so that's just, you know, people going back and forth, Americans coming back into the country.Mexicans coming in legally on visits, et cetera, business, and trade, a ton of trade, obviously.Half a million people every day, if you block the border entirely, it's not going to work.
08:46That's crazy.I mean, the mess that that would create would be epic.But here's a president who never thinks through any consequences.So maybe he does it for half a day.And then everybody's like, you idiot, what are you doing?And then chaos ensues.And then he goes, yeah, Democrats made me do it.I knew it was a bad idea.
09:05So we'll see.That seems to be very much his speed in terms of blaming the Democrats.But the thing that gets me the most in terms of the loss, in addition to that,is just the unemployment right now of federal government workers.and having worked for the federal government for about five years and having a lot of friendsstill there and speaking to them and just the difficulty that they're going through becausesome of them still live paycheck to paycheck or they have student loans.And so they're taking out loans from family members if they have them.
09:31And then finding out what, the Coast Guard, 42,000 employees.They're not going to get paid because of their pay structure until sometime in mid-January,depending on when we can start things back up.It's just there's so much loss here.And it all seems to be to feed his ego.Right.I mean, I don't know.Trump said he talked to those federal workers and they're all elated about what's going on.
09:53They're happy because they really want that border wall, except they don't.They're all very upset.Everything that you just mentioned is what's being relayed in the press.There was recently a Twitter campaign where federal workers were sharing what their financialsituation is now that the government's been shut down for seven days in a row.Yes.Yeah, but there's a guy who doesn't think through any consequences.So the recent example is when he went and talked to the troops and said, I got you a 10%
10:20pay raise.He didn't think through for one second that of course people would check.They've checked everything you've said, and they would realize that it's nowhere near 10%,and you didn't get it for them.So not only was it a brazen and weird and outrageous lie, but just think about that for a second.He doesn't think through anything, anything.Even if you wanted to lie and you thought, you would probably think through, am I going to get away with it?If you're going to tell a lie to your girlfriend or to your boss, you'd think, well, is there any way they can catch me, right?
10:53Trump doesn't even think about that.He just tells unreal lies that are immediately going to be found out because he has no ability of people keep underestimating how incredibly stupid he is.What kind of a person doesn't think through, oh, I'm the president of the United States.I'm gonna tell an outrageous lie here, hey, won't they be able to check this one second later?He doesn't think that through.You think he knows what's gonna happen if we shut down the border completely?Of course he hasn't thought it through.He's a moron of epic proportions.
11:25He's never really had to think it through though.Exactly.I mean, look at how far he's gotten and how often his base lets him off the hook for the verysame things that they would really aggressively go after a Democrat for, for instance.They support him no matter what.I mean, I think that eventually all of this stuff is going to catch up to him.Maybe not with his base, but all of the potentially criminal stuff that he's implicated inwill catch up to him.
11:52But he's gotten away with this kind of nonsense without doing his homework or any research.His entire life, he's never had to work for anything.And also no lack of accountability.You know, he doesn't have to answer to anyone, he's never really had to, he just ignoresit and goes and gets someone else to do it for him.or goes and gets another wife, whatever it is.But this man doesn't know what accountability is.He doesn't know what telling the truth is.
12:17And it really seems that he also believes his lies, which is strange.Yeah.I mean, he made up a whole conversation about how advisors came in and told him,well, the student, 2% raised for the military.He's like, no, 3%, 4%, no, no, no, no, I wanted 10%.Everything is complete fiction.It's the Department of Labor sets the number.Trump had absolutely nothing new with it.
12:36That conversation never happened.It wasn't 10, it was 2.6.I mean, he's just, and it goes towards not only the stupidity, but you guys are right,the entitlement.But Trump, your dad's not around anymore.So he gave you $400 million.He bailed you out of six bankruptcies, but he's not here.I know you think Putin is your new daddy, okay, but he can't bail you out of this.
12:59So right now, let's talk about the polling.Only 35% of Americans agree that we should shut down the government over wall funding.That's a terrible number.He's not good at math either, he's not good with any facts, but that's a miserable number.They do not support you, the American people are totally against you.So let's go to some of the other findings of this poll.This was a recent poll by Reuters and Ipsos, and it also found that 33% blamed Democratsin Congress for the shutdown compared to 47% who blamed Trump.
13:33Now, again, it's good that 47%, the majority in this case,Trump for this because Trump is the one who took credit for it.Trump is the one who said it.I will gladly take credit for this government shutdown.And then as soon as the shutdown happens and he realizes that it's a politically unpopular move,he tries to blame the Democrats.And it's, you know, honestly, his Twitter account is one tiny violin, you know, reaction afteranother every time I read what he has to say.
14:02Because he's always the victim, even though, again, he gladly took responsibility for shuttingthe government down over the sense.Again, 35% said they wanted Congress to fund the wall.So let me be clear about two things.On the number of people who blame Trump, there's also another 7% that blame Republicansin Congress.So together at 54%, that's a clear majority versus just 33.But I got something slightly wrong when I stated it.
14:29I said 35% want to shut down the government over the wall.That's not true.35% want to fund the wall, period.Like, they don't, only 25% want to shut down the government over funding the wall.So that's an even smaller number.65% say, we don't even want to fund the wall.Forget shutting down the government.We don't want to fund the wall.
14:52Only 35% want it.So he keeps saying like, oh, the American people want it, the American people.No, no, no, only your base wants it.No one else wants it.Two-thirds of the country does not want it.Three-quarters of the country does not want you to shut down the government over it.You're a liar.Stop lying, I know you can't help yourself.
15:07And the rest of the media should tell everybody, no, every time he says the American peoplewant it, they should immediately do a fact check on air saying that is not remotely true.The American people do not want to fund the wall, period.I'm just dying to know where these 35% are, you know, because if they're on the northerncoastline, I don't even want to have a conversation.But who are these people, where are they coming from?I'll give you one of those people.And he actually goes so far as to say, we should just go ahead and fire all these government
15:35employees.We don't need them.We need smaller government.That person is Charlie Kirk.So Charlie Kirk believes that those, you know, members who, federal workers in the Coast Guardaren't important.Let's fire them.Small government.
15:49He said that on Twitter.He didn't specifically mention the Coast Guard.He just said, well, small government is a good thing, so let's just get rid of all thesefederal employees.That's what Charlie Kirk thinks about the Coast Guard, about the FBI, about the JusticeDepartment.All of these, by the way, essential federal workers who are currently working for free.Like, I mean, it's absurd.
16:13So when progressive said abolish ICE, they were saying, hey, ICE is a newly created bureaucracywithin the federal government, and it's a bureaucracy that targets minorities.There is ways to enforce our borders that we used to do before ICE that we should go backto because it was a better process.The Republicans lose and go, oh my God, you want to get rid of ice, how can we have anylaw in order?Then conservatives like Charlie Kirk turn around and go, get rid of the Coast Guard.Screw the Justice Department.
16:43My God, if progressives said that, they would lose their minds.We knew it, you don't want to protect the country, right?TSA.TSA.There are Border Patrol agents who are currently working for free.So those are all federal employees.Yes, they are.So you want to get rid of them?
16:59You want to fire them all?because you want small government.It's funny because people like Charlie Kirk love big government, but they like spewing nonsensepropaganda about how they like small government because they only like small governmentin the context of financial regulations, consumer protections, basically everything that these richcorporate goons pay him to regurgitate over and over again.But you know what, he does live like a capitalist every day, change.Well, he wouldn't be able to fly like a capitalist without TSA.
17:32So look, these right-wingers who say, my rich donors should have no taxes and they should have no regulations, and they should have no minimum wage, they should be able to crush their workers and let them die in workplace incidents.Who cares? Eventually, people would stop buying their products if they murder all their employees.Right after enough murdered employees, the market would correct itself, you know what I'm saying?They believe in chaos and they're anarchists, right?But they're anarchists in favor of the rich.Yes, but you can't build castles high enough.You can't build moats wide enough.It's just you need order, you need rule of law, and they just don't believe in it.
18:12And neither does Trump, whether it's the just stop department actually trying to enforcea law against him and his cronies, or it's his concept of the government overall.All these conservatives, they don't believe in a functioning democracy.democracy in a functioning government.So that's why they don't mind destroying it.And no two Americans, which you apparently have gotten already, because two-thirds of you areeasily on our side and against Trump, is that you might not want to put people in chargethe government who don't believe in government.
18:43Well, let's talk a little more about the consequences of this federal shutdown, becauseas many as 800,000 employees are affected by it.So, the federal government is trying to give some tips to the nearly 800,000 federalworkers who are either furloughed or are working without pay.And hopefully they'll get paid retroactively once the government opens again.But what we do know is that the federal government's efforts in helping aren't really helping.I'll give you the example.So there's the Office of Personnel Management.
19:23And what they did is they tweeted some advice, including a sample letter for federal employeeswho are having financial issues as a result of this government shutdown.And so they're like, hey, you know what?We realize that you're probably gonna have an issue with your mortgage or lender.You might have an issue with your landlord if you're trying to pay your rent.And so here's a letter that you can go ahead and give to your landlord or your loan officer.And maybe this will help solve the problem.So let's go to Graphic 9.
19:51In one of the letters, employees are advised to tell their landlords that they are willingto do odd jobs if they can make reduced rent payments.So one of the letters says, quote, I would like to discuss with you the possibility of tradingmy services to perform maintenance, example painting carpentry work in exchange for partialrent payments.Okay, so I have many thoughts on this, but I want to mention because this is important.This was a letter that was drafted back in 2013 under the Obama administration.That was when the government shut down as well.
20:23And so, you know, this isn't on Trump.I wanna be clear, but it does show how incredibly tone death and out of touch, the federalgovernment really is when it comes to their own employees and their lives.Because to say, like, you offer carpentry work, because carpentry work is so easy.Exactly.And you need insanely expensive tools to do carpentry work.And you could get injured, and who is going to pay for that?You don't get workman's comp when you're doing something for your land.
20:50And then your landlord gets sued and you get sued and it's just mess, mess, mess.No one should ever do this.You don't offer to give your services in exchange for that.It's just, it's a terrible idea.It's not covered by the landlord's insurance.It's foolish, foolish, foolish.And I believe the government said, oh, to the government employees, consult your attorneyon this.
21:09Give me a break.How many of them keep an attorney on retainer?And don't call me.So it's ridiculous.How insane is that?No, that does, it goes to the elites.So it's totally right, written originally in 2013, but republished in the Trump administration.So both sides did it.
21:27And they just have no idea of how Americans live.There was a Republican congressman in this shutdown that said, what's the big deal if they missa paycheck?I mean, who would not have enough money that they would need one paycheck?That was for a Republican lawmaker who has half a million dollars in assets.So for someone like him, maybe it's not a big deal to miss a paycheck.By the way, he's not missing a paycheck because members of Congress made sure to budgetin their salaries ahead of time so they wouldn't be impacted by a federal shutdown.
21:55But again, it shows how out of touch they are.They think everyone else is living, you know, the same lives that they're living.And it's just not the case.So amazing fact that we repeat from time to time because it just won't go through the headsof people on TV and people in Washington, 40% of Americans would be knocked out by a $400 payment,Right?That they did not expect.Knocked out meaning that they would have to borrow money or sell items that they have,
22:23sell their possessions to try to keep up because they could not handle a $400 problem, letalone missing a paycheck, okay?That's devastating.But that's okay, you could just call your lawyer and see, you know, how, but your lawyerwould cost $400, okay?And you don't have a lawyer.You don't keep one on retainers, as you said, this is such a great point.Mitt Romney and Donald Trump talked about how, no, no, I got started, you know, humble roots.
22:49My parents, Trump, in his case, said, just only gave me a million dollar loan.Now, of course, that wasn't true, is that he gave him over $400 million, and it wasn't a loan.He just gave it to him.But even if it was true, a small loan of a million dollars, what, don't you all have that?Give me a buck.Oh, yeah, definitely.Yeah.Everyone's getting loans from Papa.
23:07Seriously.And the thing is, there's so much trickle-down nonsense from this in terms of the people whomaybe provide child care to these federal workers who are now not.going to be paid for that.Or the restaurants, because people aren't going out, they're saving their money becausethey have to keep their reserves.Everything is being impacted by this, and yet Trump doesn't seem to care as long as he canget his $5 billion border wall when that money could go to veterans or could go to a lot
23:30of different other resources.You know, but to be fair to them though, if you do get hurt doing the carpentry,how are you going to pay for that, you asked.Well, you could do the painting to pay for how you got hurt doing the carpentry, andthen if that doesn't worry, you could mow the lawn.And so, and let's pause there in all seriousness, also talk about how degrading this is.Yes, yes, yes, yes.You know, let's say your government working, I mean, there's a million different jobs,
23:54literally 800,000 different jobs, you could be an accountant, and they tell, oh, and you'rean accountant, you're a professional, you worked your whole life, you got an education, etc.Why don't you go most somebody's lawn, right?Why don't you go clean your landlord's toilets so you could, you know, make up the moneythat we're denying you while all of the politicians continue to get paid?Yep, yeah.Yeah.You mentioned trickle-down nonsense, and I had to just do a quick plug because he's on our network
24:21and he's awesome.So Nick Hanauer's recent podcast episode was about trickle-down economics.And that podcast is so good.It's part of our network.Please check it out.It's called pitchfork economics.Yeah, Nick is wonderful.So Nick actually has a good amount of money he sold his company to Microsoft, et cetera.
24:39But he is a wealthy American who says, no, taxes need to be higher.And we need to actually do regulations and we need to watch out for the middle class.We have to take care of them because that's what powers our economy.That would actually help the rich, the middle class, and the poor.It would help everybody.But instead, what do we do?We just shovel all the money to the rich and it is counterproductive.And he has every fact to back it up.
25:06That's why it's a great podcast to check it out.By the way, another great podcast on our network is No Filter, hosted by Anna Kasparian.Yes, definitely check that out.TYT.com slash podcast, TYT.com slash app.They're free.Go listen if you have time.They're wonderful.All right, we got to take a break.
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28:59So we really, really appreciate that.So now let me go to just a couple of quick comments here.Doc Martinez in our member section says, when it comes to me.When it comes to a government shutdown, the rules should be that every congressman's bank accountsand credit cards must be frozen until the end of the shutdown.I guarantee you that there would never be another shutdown again.And man, they are so oblivious that they have these different rules for the elites and for everyoneelse.
29:27They just can't see it.Anyone would see that that was an injustice, an unbelievable injustice.And they think, well, if it applied to me, I would be outrageous.No, I'm just making it apply to you.They just don't get that that is, that's hideous.It's amazing.The math magician says their suggestion for workers is to offer slavery to help you pay their rent and food.This is America now under both parties.
29:52Gana says, let me get this straight.They are supposed to go to work at their regular job, not get paid, and then go to do odd jobs to reduce their rent.Yeah, that's their suggestion.And by the way, what is this, 1955?Oh, gosh, Beaver's dad had a problem, but it's okay.He did, you know, carpentry work for his landlord and everything was fine.Hey, Jesus.I'm surprised they didn't make it even dirtier, yes.
30:17Yes, yes.I know, right?Quickly, and you had mentioned that, you know, it's insulting to people who, you know,worked really hard to get to where they are in their careers.You know, we're talking about people who work in the Justice Department, the FBI,but at the same time, it's also insulting to carpenters because it just assumes that carpentryis something that's easy, anyone can do it, you don't need any special skills or talentto do it, again, they're just tone deaf, it's insane.
30:45Yeah, look, Jesus spent his whole life being a carpenter, okay, and you think you'd justdo it on your own?Anyway, you know how hard Anna's worked to figure out woodworking?Okay, first of all, if I were a federal worker and I was going through this nonsenseover and over again, but I somehow taught myself to do carpentry, somehow,manage to afford the tools necessary to do it, I'd be a carpenter, like full time.I'm done with the federal government.I don't want to be a government employee anymore.
31:14Yeah, well, can't blame you for not trusting them, right?Sure.Very unreliable boss.All right, speaking of bosses, on Twitter, T4 wrote in, just bought my conservative bossthree months of TYT via Anna, sticking it to the man at its best.That is good.That is pretty amazing.I like that.
31:34That goes deep, two layers deep.And I like one of those layers.Anyway, and last one is J.C. Callie says, anytime T.Y.T. has Adrian on, we're blessedand elevated. Her analysis is impeccable. What a great way to end the last power panelof 2018.Oh, you guys are so great. Thank you.Here, here. Okay. All right, let's keep going.All right, we have some breaking news.
31:59Democrats have just announced that they will not seat a North Carolina Republican as a resultof widespread election fraud in North Carolina.Now this is all in regard to the ninth district in North Carolina, and it was a race betweena Republican who seemed to do some shady things in order to get elected.Mark Harris is his name, and he was running against Democrat Roy Cooper.Now there were allegations of voter fraud, and those allegations were looked into, and as a result,Republicans in the state of North Carolina agreed that it would be wrong.to officially certify the election until the investigation came to a close.
32:42And now that January 3rd is quickly approaching, the incoming Democrats or the Democratic majorityin the House has decided that they will not confirm Mark Harris.Now, something else-One quick correction.Anna just misspoke for a second.Roy Cooper is the governor of North Carolina.Oh, my bad, I'm sorry.The Democratic candidate was Dan McCrady.
33:05It goes to Cooper in a lot of ways now that the election board has been dissolved.And so the governor has to appoint a new election board.Yes, okay.So the election board has been dissolved, and that's the other part of the story, whichis huge.And part of the reason why that happened is because there was a court ruling.So a filing came a day after a three-judge state court panel denied a stay to keep thestate elections board, which is investigating the allegations.
33:33In its current form and actually ordered the board to dissolve at noon Friday, the boardhad apparently refused to certify Harris as November's winner amid evidence of irregularitiesin the absentee ballot count and reports of a fraud scheme directed by a Republican operativehired by Harris's campaign.Yeah, this almost shouldn't be a news event.Obviously they shouldn't seat him.There was voter fraud, it's not just our opinion.The Republicans on the election board said, yeah, no, do not seat him.
34:03There is massive issues here.It was a unanimous vote.Every Republican on the election board said, do not seat him.There was potential significant fraud in this case.And we've told you this story before.One of the people who worked for Harris, allegedly, those allegations are very, you know, backedup by a lot of evidence, took the balance of people, changed the name if they voted for theDemocrat, put in the Republican instead.
34:29If they left it blank, they said, oh, good, good, don't worry, you told me, so you voteAnd then they would fill in the Republican name.And then if none of that worked, they'd just throw away the ballots of the Democraticcandidates.So as big a voter fraud case as I've literally seen in my lifetime in America.So should you seat that guy?Of course not.It's not even remotely within the realm of consideration.
34:52Even Republicans in North Carolina have conceded that it is very likely they'll haveto redo the election, which of course they should.Yeah, and it's gonna cost everybody a lot of money.And you think about the amount of money that was put into the campaign tobegin with, is it really worth this, you know, whole cheating fraud thing?And then just to get bounced, it's just, it's just stupid all around.And it's unfortunate.But Harris barely, barely, quote unquote, won, even with the fraud.
35:16So he might be thinking, yeah, I mean, I'm in trouble not because I hired the, and the guywho, the person who did the, allegedly did the fraud in the first place, had a significanthistory of doing similar things.And so Harris knew that when he hired him.But he might be thinking, now, look, I would have lost.100% would have lost without the fraud.So hey, at least I got a second shot, right?There needs, look, of course, a second election makes sense.
35:43I'm not even having a conversation about whether or not that should happen, but the realconversation should be real consequences, you know, criminal charges, because this is serious.And look, just to juxtapose the way certain people are treated in the country, there was a U.S.resident. Now, she wasn't a citizen, but she wanted to vote. And she thought that votingwas actually legal, right? Because she's a U.S. resident. She's not in the country illegally,but she's not a U.S. citizen. So she cast her ballot, and when she got caught, she was like,I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to vote. This is my first time voting. And she got sentencedto prison. She's going to be in prison for several years.
36:25And we've seen a few of these stories come out where individuals thought they had the rightto vote and accidentally voted. And they are punished.heavily. And it's completely absurd when you compare that to these candidates who are clearlycommitting fraud, and especially if they go unscathed. You're absolutely right. They need somekind of punishment. So why do they get such heavy punishment for that? Because the Republicanswant to prove a point. Like, oh, look at how serious voter fraud is. That's why we have tomake sure that we have voter ID laws and block a quarter of all African Americans in the countrywho don't have driver's licenses from voting. And so they're trying to prove a point.
37:00Okay, you want to put a point?This is actually technically ballot fraud.The person who they think did this is Leslie McCrae, Dallas.I mean, if you're going to give a couple of years to someone who did it accidentally in just their own case,I guess you should give a couple of decades to this person.And furthermore, okay, that's clear.I mean, they should throw the book at this person is the worst case of ballot fraud again in my lifetime.And so, but on top of that, why is Harris allowed to rerun?
37:27I mean, the Republicans can pick anyone they like, presumably.for the new election, Harris picked Dallas knowing their background, knowing that they hadserious allegations of this in the past.So that's the guy you want to rerun.Okay, have Adahehaus.But the voters in the 9th District of North Carolina should know that the Republican in the racepicked a crook and did, and at a bare minimum, looked the other way or was completelyincompetent as this fraud was happening right underneath his nose.
38:00Moving on to other news.As I promised, the Mueller investigation is finding some other super interesting information.So let's get to that.The Steele dossier indicated that Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's former fix-it lawyer, was in Prague in 2016to meet with Russian officials.And Donald Trump, Michael Cohen, everyone related to the Trump.campaign argues that everything in the steel dossier is complete and utter garbage, nothingis true, and Michael Cohen says that he was never in Prague in 2016.
38:39Well, some new evidence indicates that he was in Prague in 2016, or at least near Prague in 2016.So this was a story broken, that McClatchie broke, and what they found, based on numeroussources, was that a mobile phone traced to Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricochetingoff cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, leaving an electronic record to supportclaims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials.So this is super relevant because A, Cohen has lied about this, and B, what he met, whathe allegedly met Russian officials for is very relevant to this special counsel investigation.During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by the
39:28an Eastern European Intelligence Agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whomremarked that Cohen was in Prague.So what were these conversations allegedly about, according to the Steele dossier?Well, the dossier said that Cohen and one or more Kremlin officials huddled in or aroundthe Czech capital to plot ways to limit discovery of the close liaison between the Trump campaignand Russia.Among the goals of the meeting, the dossier said, was to limit negative news reports ofabout the Russia friendly relationship of two Trump campaign aides, former policy advisor
40:04Carter Page, and just ousted campaign chairman Paul Manafort, and to ensure that Europeanhackers were paid and told to lay low or lilo.Yeah, so this is a little complicated though because Michael Cohen says to this day, justafter the report came out, no way, I was never in Prague, never went to the Czech Republicand he tweeted, Mueller knows everything.So his point is, I already told Mueller everything.I already cooperated with officials.Why would I lie about this?
40:37That's an interesting point.Well, I can think of reasons why he would lie.Maybe he didn't tell Mueller everything after all.And maybe they're actually far worse relationships with Russia than just the Trump Towerin Moscow that he's already revealed.So certainly that's possible.His now ex-law, Lanny Davis, that represented him through this, also insistsHey, we've said a million times Cohen never went to Prague.
41:03Now, Lani Davis is also a democratic operative, let's keep it real, and he'd be huge friendswith the Clintons, but he's a lawyer and he was representing Cohen.So it's a mixed bag, maybe he doesn't know.And besides which he was Cohen's lawyer, so he's going to say whatever Cohen says.And then in terms of the intelligence, and the McClatchie reporters, one of them was on televisionjust today saying, look, I did not personally see the evidence.It was reported to me by my intelligence sources.They're very trustworthy.
41:32We've used them for over two years and they've never been wrong.But no, I did not see it with my eyes.And so there's just, it's a mixed bag here.But why would Michael Cohen's cell phone be in Prague if he wasn't in Prague?But maybe those sources are lying in McClatchy newspapers.But why would they do that?So it's just, it's definitely a confusing situation.if you ask me.
41:58Okay, so I don't think it's a confusing situation.I think that it's really up in the air who you want to believe.So do you want to believe Michael Cohen, who had confessed to lying under oath?Or do you want to believe the intelligence?There were numerous intelligence sources that went to McClatchy with this story.So again, if you don't want to trust the anonymous sources, I get it, that's fine.But Cohen had an alibi that did not add up, right?So let's go to his alibi.
42:28First, his denial in response to this McClatchy report, he says via Twitter, I hear Prague, CzechRepublic is beautiful in the summertime.I wouldn't know as I've never been.Mueller knows everything.Well, Mueller can certainly find out anything he wants.You know, the thing that really gets me about this, I just feel like someone needs tobuy Cohen like a Netflix subscription so he can watch maybe James Bond or Mission Impossible.These basic films that let you know that your phone's being tracked places and that these
42:55These little things called technology that that can get you in trouble and things canbe found.IP addresses, those are out there.This just seems like a very basic approach to if I'm going to commit a crime.Maybe I take a burner phone with me and then I destroy it.It's like, I know this from watching movies.It just seems really dumb for Cohen to do this.But then again, he lies in her oath, so.
43:14And by the way, another thing I want to just quickly mention is just being in Prague doesn'tnecessarily prove anything, right?Like he could have just been in Prague, like just to be in the Czech Republic.You don't have a good time.In the middle of a campaign a couple of months before the election.Right.But again, I mean, I'm personally not buying it, but I just want to make sure everyone knows.There hasn't been proof that he was in Prague meeting with the Russians.
43:39So Mueller does know.I'll get to why he knows in a second, but here's more skepticism from other folks.They say that theoretically, according to the Steele dossier, Constantine Kosashev set up the meeting.He is a member of the Russian Senate and chairman of the Federation Council's Foreign Affairscommittee, and experts say that is far too prominent a person.It would be like Mike Pompeo, our Secretary of State, setting up a covert meeting.That's not how you set up covert meetings.So that's an interesting point.
44:09And they say, he also, I mean, to Adrian's point, did a terrible job if he was trying to coverthis up if this stuff is true.Because what you would do is, you know, your phones, even if they're not on, can be tracked.So what a, like even bare minimum spycraft would be, you would leave your phone in a differentcountry on, and especially connect to the Wi-Fi, so you could say, like, for example,Germany, you say, oh, I was in Germany, you see, there's my phone.And you wouldn't bring your phone like a knucklehead to your secret meeting with Russian officials.On the other hand, Michael Co.'s not that bright.
44:47He's not.Right?But finally, so we don't know now, and it would be relevant because this was, we'rewould mean that the steel dossier was right about a lot of things, and there's other thingsin the steel dossier, which are very interesting, including, you know, the infamous tape inRussia, doing things in a hotel room, et cetera.Yeah, and but Mueller does know because they, any prosecutor can get a warrant, especiallyin a situation like this, and track your cell phone activity for the last 18 months.
45:19So they know, they know, we don't know, but Mueller knows for sure.They know.They know.And also, he does, there's no visa.So how did he, so again, prosecutors can track the visa issue.So it would be stunning if Mueller's prosecutors did not know if he went to Prague or didn'tgo to Prague.So finally, since we promised you, Michael Cohen's alibi, so he claims he was not in Prague during
45:45that time period.He was actually in Southern California.Cohen has insisted that he was in Southern California with his son from August 23rdto 29th in 2016, but his public alibis have not been so airtight as to preclude flightsto and from Europe during the relevant period.So there wasn't enough elaboration there in the report, and I wish there were, but whatI do know is something does seem fishy and there is some evidence, unless these intelligenceofficials are just completely making it up and fabricating it, which I don't know, I just don't
46:23believe that that would be the case.And so one last thing that's very relevant here.Mueller's team said that Cohen cooperated on four different matters.Now we know about the hush money to the mistresses.That's now very, very public, that's a felony, he's going to go to prison for three years,and implicated Donald Trump, obviously.So that's one.But there's three others.
46:46And Mueller also said that he cooperated, Cohen cooperated on the core issue on Russian meddlingin the elections.Now we don't know the details of that.It could just be the Trump Tower and Moscow deal, which if you know, if you didn't hearthat story from earlier, Cohen said, yeah, we were lying all along.We continued those dealings for financial dealings for another six months, even after Trump wonthe Republican nomination and having discussions about getting paid by the Russians to do a dealin Moscow, so that's already terrible.
47:19This Prague meeting could be even worse, especially if initially Cohen was hiding it even morethan the Trump Tower deal.But either way, Mueller has said publicly, don't worry, ladies and gentlemen, we gotthem.Let's take a break, and when we come back, we are going to discuss what Americans believeshould happen to Trump.Do they believe that Trump should face consequences for things like, I don't know, illegal campaigncontributions during his campaign?
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49:43they want.And of course, you can sign up one of two ways, tyt.com slash join or tyt.com slash jank.And by the way, Brooke caught Ben.So Haas is gaining on Jimmy, Jimmy's gaining on John, John's gaining on no one.And is John third right now?John's third, yeah.He deserves third.He deserves third.
50:09I don't know if that's a, I believe that's called a backhanded company.No, I love John.Okay.Yeah.For a little while he'd passed me.Yeah, I remember that.He deserves second.Yeah, good old days.
50:22Anyway, I want to thank Kirk Taylor from Rockport, Massachusetts, who also gave $150 to the Amplifyprogram.Thank you for doing that.Kurt, that's t-y-t.com slash Amplify.fine, please check that out, as I've told you now throughout the duration of the campaignthat gives either journalism students, membership to journalism students, or to membersof the media, please participate in that as well.Now just two comments for you, Ecclectic, Ms. Chalinias says, not seating a Republican
50:53for election fraud, standing their ground about the border wall funding, are the Democratsactually growing a spine?That would be interesting, isn't it?And Gabby Marita, with a good point, she's made this before, but it does bear repeating.She said, I am still super curious how Sean Hannity fits into the Michael Cohen saga.The relationship cannot possibly be purely coincidental and based on random real estate advice.So that is interesting.One of the very few clients that Michael Cohen had was Sean Hannity.
51:28So as the world turns.So we'll see how that works out.I'm also super curious about something.When are you gonna pay me for losing the bet?On the government shutdown situation?Yeah, well, you know, there's a little bit of controversy over the framing.But hold on, hold on, yes, there definitely is.But if the Democrats hold strong like it looks like they're going to and they get to January
51:523rd and they pass their version of the budget.And if the Republicans in the Senate agree, which there's a very good chance they will actually.And then they go to Trump, he might have just lost.If Trump loses, yeah, then I definitely pay you.No question about it, right?It's just the Democrats have to hold.And by the way, Trump offered to cut it in half to $2.5 billion today.And the Democrats said no.
52:16Oh, yes, ch-ching.So you will very, when I saw that, I thought, oh, you better get that $50 ready.I'm so tired on winning, Jane.I was worried that this would happen.That's why I got a special surprise for you this weekend, and let's see how it turns out.All right, okay, all right.Okay, super last thing, guys.The shop is also having crazy sales all the way through the end of the year, so this is the time
52:44to act, 25% off, the resist collection.You gotta use the code new year, use the code new year as shopt.com and get 25% off now.They don't often do these sales, so it's a good time to partake.Okay, Anna, what's next?A new poll by researchers at Harvard University and Harris found that the majority of Americansactually do want Trump to face some consequences based on various activities he's been involvedin, okay?So nearly 60%, according to this poll, of U.S. voters surveyed, say that Trump should be either
53:21impeached and removed from office or formally censured, okay?So not all of them want him impeached, but a good portion do.39% said Trump should be impeached and removed from office.So nearly 40% of Americans, and this is a nationally representative sample, okay?And Mueller has not even come out with his findings about Trump yet.And we're already at 4 out of 10 Americans say, yeah, go, go, go, impeach him.Not I don't like him and I'm gonna vote against him next time.No, remove him from office, or at least impeach it in the House.
53:55So while 39% do want impeachment, as everything stands today,20% said that they would actually prefer lawmakers to vote to formally censure the president.So that's kind of a middle ground.And so 20% is very fitting of the country, the 20% in the middle are like, yeah, he clearlydid something bad.I don't know, should we throw him out?Let's just censure, right?20% say censure.
54:2240% say, no, get rid of them.You can't commit crimes, they're felonies, and still be president.And of course, about 40% go rock and roll, no, he did nothing wrong.So let me clarify one thing because it is very important and relevant.So the first two poll results that I gave you just ask the general question.They didn't tie it to any particular action that Trump is involved in.But when you do look at particular actions that Trump is involved in, 49% of the respondentssaid that they actually favor trying to impeach Trump over the hush money payments.
54:59that he and his campaign made to, you know, National Enquirer, to basically catch and killthe Karen McDougal story.That was one of the women he had, you know, relations with while he was married.And the Stormy Daniels payment as well.So that's right.So the number goes up for people saying, yeah, you should impeach him.When you say, oh, remember, he paid off his mistresses.And that's a campaign finance violation.
55:25They're like, oh, yeah, right.49% of the country.It's actually amazing that Democrats are not more animated about impeachment.If you're, like, you haven't presented any evidence against Trump formally.Mueller hasn't, the Democrats haven't, and the country's already at 49%.I know, but, and we had a conversation about this, efforts to impeach him could actuallybackfire.And we had a long conversation about this on one of our post games.
55:53And it was about how people keep comparing these hush money payments.to basically what Bill Clinton did, right?And the efforts to impeach Bill Clinton did backfire on Republicans, but there are two completelydifferent issues, but that's not the way Americans look at it, okay?So here's what I mean by that.51% of the respondents, so a little more than half said that doing so, meaning impeachingDonald Trump, would return the country to when then President Clinton faced impeachmentproceedings on two charges related to his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
56:27My thing is that Clinton was legitimately put into office.My concern is that people don't fully appreciate the fact that Trump stole the election,or allegedly we'll see.But the thought that just impeach him, no, I want criminal prosecution.I want full penalties, in part because deterring other people from doing this again.And also penalizing him, stealing the highest office in the nation, if not the world.Get out of here with a, oh, censure.Whatever.
56:54Yeah, so look, I don't think that they should ask.until Mueller comes in.But I think he's gonna come in pretty soon.So that's why I'm not super animated about it.If Mueller comes in with overwhelming evidence and the Democrats still sit on their hands, thenI would say, no, what are you doing?You gotta enforce the law, otherwise you were saying that the president's above the law.And yes, the level of the crime does matter.
57:23And so Mueller might have him on even worse things.So if you say, well, look, a felony is a felony and a crime is a crime, no, not really.If I'm being honest, I mean, Jay Walk, and you know this, Jay Walk is not the same thingin this murder, and lying about an affair, which is what Clinton did, if Trump lied aboutan affair, and it's Tuesday, so what, right?Trump lies about everything.That's not a thing that I was, even if he did it under oath, I swear to God I wouldn'tsay impeach him over that.
57:50And I got a pretty good track record here because I was a Republican when I said, don't impeachClinton over lying about an affair. That's not a thing worth impeaching a president over,right? But this is different. It wasn't that Trump was just lying about the affair.He broke campaign finance laws to funnel money to his mistresses, and then he covered it upso that it wouldn't be revealed that he broke campaign laws. But that's, that's way moresignificant. And there's $150,000 in one case, $135,000 in another case. So that's a veryserious felony.Michael Cohen's going to prison for three years for that felony.
58:28So yeah, no, on that alone, let alone what Mueller is going to come in with, let alone whathappened in Russia.Yeah, you gotta enforce the law.You just have to.One final thing that I wanna share with you in regard to these poll results is thatthe majority of Americans actually think the Mueller investigation is damaging to the country.So look, I'm famous for poo-pooing on polls.Okay?
58:54She's famous.That's what I'm known for.Yeah, yeah.Look it up online.Anna, poo-pooing on polls.Your Wikipedia profiles will be updated right now, just letting you know.Because I feel like people just answer, and they don't think about their own contradictionsand the poll answers, right?
59:14And so whatever, maybe this isn't really a contradiction, but I kind of see this as wrong.I think the majority of respondents here were wrong.So, 51%, I'm sorry, 59% of the respondent said that the special counsel's investigationis hurting the country compared to 41% that said that it's actually helping it.So I guess you could say, yeah, Trump deserves to be impeached if the special counsel's findings,you know, implicate him in various crimes, whatever.And you can still say that the investigation hurts the country.But I hate that framing, because it's not the investigation that hurts the country, it's
59:50It's the alleged crimes that hurt the country.Yeah, look, if you wanna hang your hat on that and you're a right winger, that's fine.And look, it is what it is, and we give you all the poll results, you make up your decisionon that.But I think it's a very poorly worded question, because it's not clear what you mean by hurtthe country.Yeah, it hurts the country that we have a moron president who has committed a lot of crimes.You're right about that.
01:00:14Or you could be legitimately saying, no, you should not investigate the president, and that hurtsthe country.So that's why the question is poor, I think.Yeah, see, you're also poo-pooing on this poll.Okay, but I am not famous for it.Okay.All right, that does it for hour one.Okay, Adrian, thank you for joining us.
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