The Young Turks - Two More Targeted With Bomb Threats And Trump's Ridiculous Response At Rally

Episode Date: October 26, 2018

Former Vice President Joe Biden was sent TWO pipe bombs in the mail while another was sent to celebrity Robert De Niro in New York. Trump decides to blame the media fr the recent attacks and says THEY need to fix this. Get exclusive access to our best content. http://tyt.com/GETACCESS Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Welcome to the Young Turks, everybody. I'm John Idrola, Jank Yugar, Anna Kasparian out for a little bit. They'll eventually be back someday. In the interim, I am joined by Jared Jackson, Ben Mankiewicz at the desk. Thank you for joining me.

What's up? This guy shows up. You know, I just, for whatever reason, because, you know, I remember, you know, I used to bring us in when I was here more. I can't wait. I can't wait to find out what it is. No, no, no, no. No, you were, this time, oddly enough, you were great.

No, I was just suddenly occurring to me, like, here I am sort of filling in, and it's been so long. I mean, it's a show, and it's a big deal, and it's a desk, and it was just, because I was just talking to this, I'll tell a query, quick story. I did an interview with NPR in Tucson today for a TCM event we're doing later, and the reporter started by saying, hey, like during the Bush administration in 2003, 2004, I was so frustrated with the media, and I started reading these commentaries that Huffington Post was publishing by this guy Sank Weiger.

And I felt like my voice was being expressed, but eloquently in the outrage, and I then found out about the show and saw you. And, you know, he really changed my life and feeling that there was appropriate. And I thought, well, it would be nice to tell Jank that because he's been, you know, It's a really successful guy there in Arizona. And he said, you know, then I started to listen to the show and I listened to you and Jill. And so I was just thinking about it because that way just did that an hour and a half ago. And here we get introduced back and it's, I mean, it's just crazy.

Like it is. The history of you name? I mean, it's amazing that we're here in this big studio. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah. It really came from nothing. And I briefly, I briefly tasted just a little bit of the old, the, what street was it on? Cynthia?

I don't know. Before the other area of Culver City we were in, there was a very small office, basically. I was there for a couple of weeks before it transitioned over. But anyway, we have thankfully started from the bottom and now there's some song lyric, but I don't remember. But we're here now, so that's good. Yeah. But anyway, thank you guys for joining me.

You two are going to be joining me in the first hour. In the second hour, Brooke Thomas and Sally Cohn are going to be stepping in. We've got amazing stories in both hours. I'm trying to think of what's like the most fun. Honestly, Ron DeSantis and Andrew Gillum had a debate in Florida last night, and one of Andrew Gillum's responses was just amazing. And so we're going to be getting to that at the end of the first hour. It should be good.

And the second hour, near the end of it, I have found what I think is a legitimate reason to talk about Red Dead Redemption too. So if you're a gamer, you'll enjoy that in the second hour. But until then, why don't we start with the- I can't do the second hour. For the record, yeah, I got, you know what, oh, for God, I got a thing with a guy. No, that's cool, you were invited me. Anyway, okay, so we're going to jump into the news, though.

Yesterday's string of attempted bombings, attempted assassinations, attempted acts of domestic terror, however you want to refer to it, and I think all three of those are accurate, continued through to today with more targets being sent pipe bombs and various forms of apparently explosive materials. And so we want to add to your knowledge of who is being targeted. There were three more devices found in Delaware and New York this morning. Two were addressed to former Vice President Joe Biden, Delaware resident, and a third to actor Robert De Niro, who lives and works in Lower Manhattan. I assume he was an L.A. guy. All of the 10 packages that have been discovered so far wore return addresses from Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Democratic Congresswoman from Florida. There had been a belief a little bit later on this morning that the building that Nancy Pelosi's office in was also had a suspicious package.

I haven't seen any updates confirming that, so I'm assuming at this point that it did not. Yeah, there have been a lot more than that of suspicious packages, because obviously people are on alert and then most of those, many of those have turned out to be false alarms. Now, these ones appear to be sort of consistent with the others that have been sent over the past 48 hours. A law enforcement official said the envelope and printed address labels on the package sent to Mr. De Niro were similar to those on explosives sent to former President Barack Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and others.

And we talked yesterday in the show about Eric Holder, been a target of one. Maxine Waters was a target of multiples going up until last night. So if you pay attention to politics and you understand what's been going on, what's been said, who the villains have been laid out to be, this string of people is a very interesting a unique list, especially with Robert De Niro being included in it. I mean, we remember that at an award ceremony, I forget exactly which one, he yelled F Trump, I believe it was. I think it was at the Tony's.

I think so. Yeah, so let's bring up this map, you're gonna see the list there, but we have a pretty long list there. Some of them, obviously well-known figures, some who only briefly popped up on the radar of having to do with Trump like Robert De Niro, Maxine Waters, best known for being talked about constantly at Trump rallies as a low IQ individual, an accusation having nothing to do with her intelligence and everything to do likely with her race. And then of course, George Soros.

And let's not kid ourselves, and gender. And it's a gender, yeah, thing as well. George Soros, by the way, who was the first target of these bombings, a day or two before the others, what's interesting is that ads attacking him as being sort of like the puppet master behind political goings on the Democratic Party have run since that bombing act. So the concern that possibly led to these bombs being mailed, that these people are demonized outside of their actual influence in politics, has apparently led to no moderation whatsoever in that messaging going forward because George Soros continues to be attacked.

Yeah, and Donald Trump continues today, as we'll get to. Oh, we're going to have a lot of that, yeah. Exactly. So a couple of updates on the bombs themselves. Earlier, the AP reported that law enforcement officials said the bombs sent up until that point at the very least, were packed with shards of glass. And I read a little bit later on today, NBC, New York was reporting that some of the bombs apparently had flaws in their manufacture making it so that they were incapable of

exploding. The flaws apparently, they were different between the individual bombs. Some were small, some were larger. And we don't know whether the flaws were intentional, so the bombs weren't designed not to explode. That might have been true of all of them. Or if the flaws were there because they were sent by the kind of person who spells Florida, F-L-O-R-I-D-S.

They may spell it Brennan and John. Brennan was the one that was sent. Other Debbie Wasserman Schiltz wrong, who's, they got the return address. Right, so it's hard to really read exactly the reasons why or if the defective nature was on purpose. So honestly, it doesn't matter, because yesterday I was saying until I was like it seems like these things were more set to go off, they were more sent to be intimidation factors or I know where you are factors, types of that, which is still terrorism.

So I mean, now it's somewhere in the middle as far as there was effort put involved. You could stick like some kind of cylindrical shape in something with something on the end with a couple wires if you just want to scare someone. But there was things that are included in bombs. You need something to shards of glass, be these things like that that actually hurt people. So there was some intention there. Yeah, the FBI is calling them bombs. Yeah, they're bombs.

And although there are still no apparent hard leads as to who might have done this, nobody's claimed credit or anything like that, at various points today I've seen people are reporting that Florida is considered to be the origin point of at least some of the bombs. And so they're searching there. Which would make sense, given that they sort of, the strange focus on Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Yeah, yeah. And so, look, we're going to get in a second into the blame that's being laid by those on the right. But it is interesting.

I mean, Robert De Niro, Maxine Waters, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who, you know, she was the head of the DNC, but she hasn't exactly been all over the news for the past year and a half plus. Like, these are some slightly esoteric figures to day-to-day politics, unless you're paying attention to certain streams of political communication. Yeah, I don't want to read anything into it because, you know, I mean, De Niro qualifies because he's famous and that got a lot of coverage, the F. Trump line, right? So the Debbie Wasserman-Sholtz thing would suggest that it was somebody in Florida. That's why they would, they would know her, right?

Okay. I mean, only unless you were, you know, significantly following the Democratic race, would you think you would be out. But again, she ran, you know, she was Hillary's head of something. Well, although it was weird because she was totally impartial, though. Obviously. And if you think about the irony of what's going on here also, well, this is America, obviously, right?

Still. And we have this fear of terrorism, terrorists, our borders being porous, people coming in, doing this, doing that to us. But we continue to ignore how it's homegrown here. I mean, we were concerned about gun massacres, gun violence, mass shootings, all the stuff, because that's it's homegrown Americans have so many more guns than anywhere else in the world per capita that it kind of matches up. But now we're going with bombs more and this many, now we're 10 now, have been sent around

the country. And there's not much of a recognition that whoever sent this around is most likely American. It's not because the caravan is coming from Central America. I was just going to say, you know, it could have been one of those ISIS guys in the caravan, like who went ahead on a scouting mission, right? Yeah, he ran ahead, he got into the U.S. And if nothing else, what have we learned from all the terrorist texts that we've been talking about consistently in recent history, recent political history since 2001 with one of the biggest

ones ever, right? So what we've learned is to do it ourselves. And we're not like the secondary thing after you say, who are we gonna, how do we stop this is who have we become? And maybe it's who we've always been. It's just we decide to go this route finally. I will just say, I understand not wanting to, you know, I guess guess at who it might be or move ahead of the evidence and all that.

But I will say that the people who are like tweeting at me, until we have hard evidence, We can't guess anything, well, I'm not sure that that's exactly true. Like, if they are, if all of the targets are Democrats, it's not equally likely that it's someone on the left or someone on the right. It's not impossible at someone on the left, certainly that is within the realm of possibility. But it's not like, like if all of the, like we're just talking about baseball, if everyone on the Dodgers was targeted for assassination, it's not equally likely that it's someone that hates and loves the Dodgers.

It's probably leaning in one direction, probably, that's all I'll say. Okay, why don't we turn to the blame being late? I try to tie it to sports to bring it in. I love it when John talks baseball. I have been to a Dodgers game this year, so I can talk about baseball. It's a great baseball reference, John. Well done. It's the local team, right?

Yay, local team. Okay, let's turn now to the blame being laid. Donald Trump, members of his administration and right-wing media, have been very quick to condemn the victims of the attempted bombings over the past two days, many people, including myself on the damage report, predicted that this would be the case, although it seems ridiculous. We're going to show you videos in just a second. I do want to acknowledge, though, what I think is a historical occurrence that we are experiencing right now.

I don't know that it has ever been the case that widespread attempted acts of domestic terrorism have so readily and quickly and universally been greeted with apathy, disinterest conspiracy theories, or even victim blaming, as in this case. I mean, based on what I've seen for most of the high-profile Fox hosts, they could not even pretend briefly to give a damn about the fact that multiple former presidents, vice presidents, high-profile politicians, celebrities were almost simultaneously the targets of bombings. And the conspiracy theorizing started on Fox News relatively early in the day than bringing in guests saying it's a false flag. That has proceeded through to Fox business and to politicians

as well. Did anybody really use the term false flag? That is all over Twitter. Like people who are brought on Fox News, these are the rights pundits and things like that are saying false flag. Rush Limbaugh was saying instantly that it was from the left. Obviously, Alex Jones is, you know, everything is a false flag. So that wasn't that surprising. We're going have a little bit from Lou Dobbs as well. I want to start with the president, though, because Obviously, we were waiting to see who would he actually lay the blame on. And so we have a couple clips for you here as the first. Those engaged in the political arena must stop treating political opponents as being morally

defective have to do that. The media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attack. And stories, have to do it. They've got to stop. Okay, so what you're seeing there is the media is causing this. I mean, we can bring up this tweet and you'll see that he has continued with that messaging. A very big part of the anger we say today in our society is caused by the purposefully false and inaccurate reporting in the mainstream media.

So that was sent out less than 24 hours after CNN had to be evacuated because people were worried that it was going to explode. he went back to saying they are purposeful liars. He didn't say any of the state yet. He'll get back to that soon. They are the cause of this. So again, has the president of the United States ever blamed the victim of a terror attack for being targeted by that terror attack? I don't remember that.

If that has happened, I have missed it. But on top of that, in his messaging, we're not going to play all of it. But he says that civility is the problem. People aren't civil. And he references the media. He says, you shouldn't be mobbing people in restaurants. So it's the left-wing mobs they've been talking about, they're to blame. He neither mentioned any of the victims, any of the targets.

He didn't say any of them. And according to sources, he has not reached out to any of them, including the former president who was almost murdered in this way, the billionaires, the celebrities, the politicians, some sitting, some former. He has not reached out to any of them so far as sources know. Yeah. So in all of the ways that this could be an inadequate and, in fact, horrific response to a set of terror attacks, that is what this is.

You know, I've, like everybody else, and it's part of what he does so effectively is I'm no longer moved in any way by the cruelty or crassness or lack of a deft touch, lack of any human empathy that he has. What we should at least at a bare minimum be struck by is his continuing effective gaslighting of America. Like he says that the media needs to set a civil tone. I mean, he is the perpetrator of the tone in America. He and his band of supporters and enablers in Congress. That's who's responsible for the tone in America. It's not 50-50. It's not 60-40.

It's not 70-30. I don't think it's 80-20, right? It's overwhelmingly on him. Overwhelmingly on him. But he has changed the narrative because he somehow has this ability to make it to They effectively changed the narrative to an extent this week to where we talked about. Eventually, you have to respond to the madness of the left-wing mobs, right? And God forbid that Mitch McConnell had his dinner interrupted.

Dinner interrupted, right? And, you know, I heard, you know, it's been talked about on the show. And I wouldn't yell at anybody during their dinner, you know, but it's not that bad. And, you know, left and over the course of human history, there's been a lot of violence perpetrated by the left. But that's not what's happening here in this country other than some isolated incidents. You know, I don't remember who tracked it. Maybe it was the Southern Poverty Law Center, but they tracked the last, like, 39, somebody

tracked the last 39 moments of political, occurrences of political violence in this country, which would include the horrible shooting of Steve Scalise in Washington, and there was 37 to 2. Yeah. It's been documented, and it's one of the things that they've always ignored the right-wing violence that comes, political violence that comes in the country. We're talking about the gaslighting. The degree to which the number of things that they continue to lie about, I mean, talking about the administration in general, because he needs his support group, where if isn't a part of that support group has to get out. So we're going to get to Sarah Huckabee Sanders. But it's flooded with so much, so many false statements.

It's hard to really keep track. And we've said this before. It's hard to keep track and dispute each of them as they continue to throw them at you. So you can go, well, as he says, hey, you know, Maxie Moore's and said, hey, make sure that they feel your presence. Make sure they can't go anywhere in public without being shouted down or told that they don't belong here. That was this year. We're talking about when this man started his campaign like that. So if we're going to go with the flowchart of who began all this, this was 2016.

This is 2015. This is when he wasn't in office, keep it real. So if we're going to go with where it all started, it obviously was with him. And then after that, once he's found this active group of continued haters, he built that his entire platform with it. Yeah. Well, and again, I would say for whatever Maxine Waters said, she doesn't have, we could show the montage.

She hasn't said many times when protesters come in, punch them in the face, I'll pay your legal fees. She didn't say just a week ago, I love Republican congressmen that body slam people and then do the body slam. If you can body slam someone, you're my kind of guy, as people have been pointing out, well, if you're a Trump supporter listening to that, if being able to body slam a Democrat or a journalist makes you his kind of guy, maybe sending a bomb to a Democrat makes you his kind of guy. He doesn't seem to be sending a strong message against that. Chenkin and I, an old school last night, had a conversation about the New York Times,

and he took a tact that many on the left have taken sort of critical of the ties because there is seeming eagerness to, or a willingness, I don't know about an eagerness, to soften the far right, right, to humanize the sort of make the alt-right seem sort of nerdish. Yeah. You know, and I bristle at the criticism of the New York Times, even though I totally understand it, I'm as frustrated or nearly as frustrated as everybody else by the tone of those articles. But in an atmosphere where the President of the United States regularly has turned the mainstream media, porous as they are, into an enemy of the people, I just can't bring myself to join

in criticism of the New York Times because I, because of Trump, because this is, I mean, he is, I mean, this is a, the fourth estate is elementary and critical to the functioning of a proper democracy. And it's not an accident that he is successfully and determinedly. undermining it, even the day they receive a bomb in the mail. I agree. I will wait until another day, but I will do both. I will criticize them for terrible op-eds and terrible lighthearted profiles of Nazis

and things like that. It is not as big of a problem as Donald Trump, but it is still a problem, and I think that we can do better. Now, in terms of the things that Trump has said, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, was asked for some reason what she thought about all this, and this is what she said. Do you believe that the president bears any response? responsibility for what we've seen over the past two days. And does he regret any of the comments that he's made about his opponents, or does he at least

regret the tone that he's taken something? Look, the president's condemned violence in all forms, has done that since day one. We'll continue to do that, but certainly feels that everyone has a role to play. Yeah, so the thing is, that's a lie. And I don't want to be Michelle Wolf or whatever and get attacked here, but he said he likes that a journalist was body slammed like a week ago. Obviously, he doesn't condemn violence in all avenues. At this point, that is such an obvious thing.

And she, of course, is never going to be like, you know what, that's a good point. He really, he has been, he's been excessive in some cases. She's never going to admit that. So what is the point of talking to her at all? You are never going to get anything approaching an authentic response. Yeah, I mean, you know, they finally figured it out because you can't make fun of her the way you could make fun of Sean Spicer, because she has a degree of, she projects a professional, competent air while being a mouthpiece for an authoritarian wannabe fascist.

So there's no defense for her behavior. She should be ashamed of herself on a daily basis, but she's smarter and more presentable and does a much better job at it than John Spicer. So again, always the danger and the danger we're going to also have if Trump were to leave office and say Mike Pence were to replace him, it's almost the exact same thing, except far more dangerous, than Spicer being replaced by Sarah Huckabee Sanders, is that when you replace total buffoonish, caricature-ish incompetence with less incompetence and a different kind of incompetent.

In fact, the appearance of competency while still reinforcing the same sort of brutality and the same degree of undermining American institutions, we will have a tendency to say about Mike Pence, well, at least he's not Donald Trump, right? He's more presidential. And there will be a- Let's see. There will be- Let me, you know what, Joe, you're right, John. on, let's check it out and maybe it'll work out.

Maybe it'll be better. But we know, but we do know how that will seem. I mean, the columns that will come out and there will be. One of the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something's off in your body, but not knowing exactly what. It's not just aging. It's often your hormones, too. When they fall out of balance, everything feels off.

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He called Maxine Waters low IQ. He's called Joe Biden. Someone pulled off a trash heap. He said Hillary Clinton is crooked Hillary. Is he going to stop insulting the people who received these bombs? Look, the president's going to continue to lay out the contrast between Democrats and Republicans. And if you'll let me finish, I'll answer it for you, but I'd like to finish my sentence. The president is going to continue to lay out the case and the differences between Democrats and Republicans. Americans have a choice to make, and he's going to lay that out. So again, you know, I love the reporters that try to do traditionally what has been their job.

But she says, if you'll let me finish, I'll answer your questions, you go on. on to obviously have no intention whatsoever of answering the question. These people were almost assassinated. Are you gonna continue to demonize them to your followers? Well, you know, I'm gonna continue to lay out the, no, you're not actually responding to the question, will he keep calling them insults? And she knows the response, she knows the answer, she knows what he's gonna do, and so she evades constantly.

Again, why are they talking to her? Yeah, again, she's much more dangerous than Sean Spicer, because he was easy to make fun of. He would smile and- She's a much bigger threat to stability and do American Institute. Even some of the American institutions that we should probably keep. By the way, that was Chip Reed of CBS News. Yeah, I like her on record. I mean, okay, I'm okay with continuing to talk to her because it's on record continually of what she's going to continue.

So as this all comes together, says, you know, before there's proof, we can match up directly with what Trump has said and what he's lying about now. So she's lying about it later, like, oh, yeah, that time on October 24th when you also said nothing is being done. Just, it can keep being filed. That's all I'm looking for. I think in a more rational world, that would be. make more of a difference. But we live in a pretty bad one. Okay, we're going to take a short

break. We come back. I want to touch on Lou Dobbs as sort of a crystallization of the denial of the severity of these terror attacks. And then we're going to have just a little bit of fun at his expense. Welcome back to the show, everybody. Before we get back in the news, I do want to read some of the messages of which, since I last did this, we have so many different categories of messages. Okay, So I'm going to read the green ones, super chat. Peter Hamby says, a political scare tactic so close to the midterms, this develops two types of cowards made, the bombers and those who've been scared to vote on 116.

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prominent Democrats. Let's see, Sean King, different Sean King, says if there was fantasy T-Y-T like fantasy football, this would be my dream team. Hey, did you hear Jank and Ann had a great show yesterday? J.R. Ben and John, quote, hold my beer. Hey, that's pretty nice. In the future, if you could express these sorts of thoughts without talking about fantasy football, that would be great. But thank you. That was very nice of you. Actually, John got excited with fantasy, then just checked out by football.

I don't understand. The fantasy is so good. Why do you need to switch over into the football? As you hold my beer, hand it back and I'd like it. Yeah. And let's see, member comments, Matt Strachbean says, the logic used to justify false flags can be used to justify double false flags, triple false flags, and so on. Where does that theorizing end? Evidence and facts matter. I don't, I mean, the interesting thing is I don't think it ends for some people, and I don't think it starts for other people. I think that we have, maybe it's always been that way, I'm relatively new to this, but I think the speed at which the right decided that this unprecedented wave of attempted bombings was obviously a fake thing meant to benefit the Democrats. Like, if there was any dissension or sort of double-thinking self-analysis, it wasn't visible on Twitter or on Fox News, they just decided. I mean, you know what, I don't like the feeling that right-wingers might have tried to kill all these people, so it's probably the lips.

Yeah, man, I would like to hear from one conservative who was going to vote conservative, and maybe still will, but who thought, oh man, this is awful. Like, did maybe we, is our rhetoric so bad that it sort of fosters this sort of thing, encourages this sort of thing? I'm still going to vote for conservatives, but I'm, I paused. They've got to be out there. Yeah, I would like, I mean, if there were 12, I'd be delighted. Look, Chep Smith, I guess.

He earlier this week was talking to a- Chippsmith's not voting for a Republican. Yeah, that's probably true. But he's on Fox News. He was talking with one of their viewers about the caravan, and he was like, you know that they're just trying to scare you to vote. Like, he was very, very good on that issue. If you truly believe in what you believe in, you should have no fear in saying something

like that. So if we truly believe in the candidates that a lot of times we vote for, if one of them gets out of pocket, we can easily go, you know what, that guy doesn't, he doesn't espouse my beliefs. That's not who I support. And you've got plenty more that you can support because that's who you actually are. It's all, it's a small thing called principles. Okay.

You want to have a little bit fun? Nope. I know what you guys want to talk about this. Let's talk about Lou Dobbs then. I was going to do it whether he said yes or not. Lou Dobbs is both a ridiculous figure and also kind of a dangerous guy. And in this video, we're going to show you both. First, to have a little bit of fun, here he is talking about the migrant caravan working its way through Mexico.

And our top story tonight, the caravan of mostly Central American immigrants, is now in the Mexican city of Washington tonight. Hold on, Lou, I can we catch that? Can we play this next one actually and see what he was going for there? Mexican city of Warfleda. Now, I got a full credit to Seth Myers and late night with Seth Myers, a closer look. That's where I saw this the first time. Oh, my God, it was funny. I must have played it 25 times.

See, look, I don't speak Spanish. Is that a place? No, it's not a place. Look, man, I have trouble with French, right? There are French words. I really have trouble saying. But first of all, that's different, which just is. Yes.

Wah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, like you can see his pain. It's so great. But I think the pain, like, look, I've mispronounced things, and I will continue to. That's my right. I think the pain has a little bit less to do with his obvious unfamiliarity with and distaste for Spanish. And more to do with that, as we always say, these are robots that sit down in front of a teleprompter and expect that their talent that they have is that they can reopen teleprompter. But he doesn't know that word, and he doesn't read the script probably. So when it just pops up, he was like one line above it, didn't know that he was heading off a cliff.

And then he sees it, and he's like, whoa-ho-ho-ho. I'm looking for it. Ever since I've heard it, I've been thinking. Which one is it? I couldn't find it. I started with Guadalajara, right? Mexico City. We have landed on Guadla, Ken Kuhn.

Seth Myers said that he was trying to say Mexico City, which I think was a joke. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. But before you, because, you know, Lou Dobbs was an executive vice president at CNN. from its like inception on until he left. He left once, he came back, and then he left in 2009, finally, and then resurfaced about a year later at Fox Business, where that show is, the Luda.

He should go live, by the way. He should do the show from Pohama. He could fly right into the International Airport. But I, so you're right. It is in a sense, but he is, I mean, he owns that show. So he's not just the valve piece of that show. I don't know, I doubt he writes it. Obviously, you're correct that he hadn't read it over, or you'd think he would have had

a closer idea of what to say. But, you know, he grew further and further to the right. He's now a big Trump cheerleader. He's a disgrace to America and a threat to the institutions, which have protected us for 240 years. He's also just this huge fraud, because I know you didn't want to do this, but we're going to do it anyway, because they have it. So when he left CNN in 2009, he looked like a...

distinguished guy whose hair had turned white, right? Do we have the photos? I think we do. So when he left in 2009, that's what he looked like. Whoa. He shouldn't be a, that looks good. Mike Vince. Right, that's a nothing wrong.

And now, he looks like this. I mean, come on, man. I, look, I get, I feel bad. I now understand that I think the color he was going, he went into the beautician and he was like, look, I'd like, if you could dye my hair and turn it into, I'd like it to be a, well, no. And they were like, I don't know what that means.

Bread? Nobody wants, I get that you don't want to go gray or whatever, but your face ages. Your hair has to age a little bit. You can't be moving in the opposite direction. I'm not saying I'm never going to dye my hair either, by the way, right now I don't. But like, but if you, if your hair turn, no, I don't. But if you see your hair on television, right? If it turns white on TV, well, man, the cat's out of the bag.

Yeah, it's too late at that point. We know. Exactly. Now, as I alluded to, he is not just a buffoon. He's also a dangerous guy. By the way, there was a little bit of that in that clip. I don't know if he caught it, but where he said mostly Central Americans. Now, look, it is possible that he is making this very nuanced differentiation between people

from Mexico, Central America, South America. Maybe that's what he means. Maybe he's trying to imply that there's Middle Easterners in that caravan. I think with him in particular, we don't need to give him too much credit. But it goes beyond that. In tweets that he has since deleted, he was, let's say not buying the whole domestic terrorism thing yesterday and today. So he said this.

On Lou Dobbs tonight is yesterday, I'll take up why FBI and ATF hasn't informed the public about contents of suspicious packages, whether hoax or bombs, they were clearly designed to influence selection. Why? I like to think that he asked, why am I writing this? This is absurd. He then went on just, like, that's complicated. You got to read multiple sentences. There's punctuation and stuff. Then he just says, fake news, fake bombs. Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery? Look, he's running the show and he's using MAGA. He's using hashtag MAGA. Then let's see, he goes on, fake news has just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to suspicious packages. Let's get back to look

to left-wing driven caravans and the dims who encourage them. So, again, just the- Hold on, hold on, hold on. I mean, I'm sorry, let me, because the put that, can you put that tweet back up real quick? The last tweet. Last week. The fake news has just successfully changed the narrative. No, you guys made up the narrative, right? I mean, I'm not saying the caravan doesn't deserve some news coverage.

Not for the reasons they're covering it, I would say. But they totally created this coverage. They decided, I mean, Fox News decides every day what to cover. And as Jonathan Larson, the head of TYT investigates would point out, how you cover something is less important than the decisions you make about what to cover, right? And then how you cover it, of course, matters too. And what Fox does is deciding this is what the thing is. And they manage to change the narrative.

That's what they do all the time. And that's what the mainstream media makes the mistake in doing by paying attention to Fox News, by keeping Fox News on in their newsrooms across the country. And in their defense, eventually, eventually you feel like, all right, well, half the country's talking about it. You fall into this idea that half the country is talking about it. But they set that agenda, and then they amplify it by bringing on a different guest each day to say something new about it, right? So the story keeps growing and keeps amplifying.

So how is it somehow the fake news found a way to make the pipe bombs in 10 different packages sent across the country? Who made that story? So, okay, which part of the fake news sent out 10 pipe bombs? Like, how does the structure of that thought doesn't even make any sense? So because the caravan is such bad news for libs, somehow the fake news put together 10 pipe bombs to send a bunch of more libs to change the narrative that they didn't make the news. It happened.

They were saying it didn't happen? Are those things invisible? Is this virtual reality that we're dealing with? Because they happened. They're there. I mean, if this is the deep state and corrupt Dems, I mean, once again, huh, dims, corrupt dims, that's actually a little clever. It's not new.

It's better than even moot. I've not seen it. No, I've seen it. It's a regular. Once again, then we've been able to orchestrate 10 fake bombs, right? But we couldn't swing 38,000 votes, you know. We got 3 million more votes than your guy, right? Did they send any bombs to Wisconsin?

Right. Didn't think of it. Yeah, George Soros. So George Soros put that bomb in his own mailbox. Yeah, it was a risky move. Yeah, they're every, like they, this is their TV show. This isn't CR TV or YouTube. This is a TV show that gets millions of dollars spent on it.

And he just says left wing driven caravans. Is there any evidence after two weeks of them covering it that the left wing is involved at all in what apparently is another spontaneous caravan of the sort that has existed for literally years, if not decades? No, but he can just say it, even though he's paid millions of dollars and he's considered reputable by some people, the dims who encourage them. And I don't think he's saying that the media sent it. I think what he's saying is stupider. He's saying that the media in covering it at all is helping to change the narrative. They should have been able to see that obviously these 10 bombs are fake as he does and they shouldn't have covered it. That is absurd.

And it's great projection too. Like only in a place like Fox News that actually does coordinate their message across multiple shows, could all of these other places at CNN and MSNBC have chosen together not to cover it or to cover it? He actually thinks that other media outlets work the way that Fox News does. But, as he said, fake news, fake bombs, now that is just accepted. Go on Twitter, you know, go on Reddit, all that, right-wingers just accept it. Let's bring up this picture. This was outside of the Senate debate in Florida, fake news, fake bombs.

So they just accept, yep. And again, I sort of said this at the outset, I know we don't have much more time, but we have come to accept, we have normalized so much in this country if in 10 years ago there had been a bomb sent to the former VP, that would have been the biggest news story for one to three weeks. It's 10 in the last day and instantly it was fake. Instantly it was a distraction and a hoax and a false flag, not just on some conspiracy theorist show, but on the biggest right wing media outlet on the planet, instantly it was fake.

And we've just accepted it. And a significant portion of the country is saying, I don't care. I don't believe that it's true, but even if it was true, even if they tried to assassinate the former president, former Secretary of State, former Senators, former VP, of sitting Congresswoman, a celebrity, a billionaire, simultaneously, I don't care. That is America. And sadly, they don't care, but at the same time, if there's a news article that's well-sourced and written about something that's actually happening in Washington, D.C., that implicates

somebody that they're supporting, their president, oh, they are crying. But a 10 pipe bomb sent in the mail, oh, why are they getting so excited? What are they covering this for? Do you remember? What's how they're upset about coverage about real things that are happening? That's what they're crying about. Imagine if we were able to coordinate in 10 cities across the country, random people threw 10 glasses of water on 10 right wing pundits.

They blow up. Like they took Tommy Lauren getting soaked a bit 10 times more seriously than what might be the largest coordinated attempt at domestic terrorism in the last decade? At least, I don't remember, I mean, there's been attempted. abortion bombings, but this many simultaneously, and they can't even pretend to care. Let me say something about liberals. I have never successfully dialed in to a conference call on my first try. And I don't think any others have either, because they give you the code, but the code is on your phone, and you've got to dial the number, then you've got to look back

and get the code, and it's like, okay, and you're like, yeah, 237, 985, 143 pound, 287, 943, 185,000, 185,000. That is what we need multitasking for. Yeah, we didn't coordinate it. Yeah, no, if we can't get past that, the deep state's just not going to work. Okay, we do have to take a break. When we come back, Bernie Sanders has an op-ed out, trying to draw national media attention on a very important issue. We're going to discuss on the other side of this break.

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Oh, loco movie watch said, I will say that it sounded like Lou Dobbs was trying to say either Waxaca or Guadalajara, but the caravan is not close to either of those cities, so who the hell knows? Oh, is that right? So J.R. and I decided that it was, it was Wahaka. Yeah. Wahoo. Yeah.

But if the caravan is not close to there, maybe not. Who knows? Well, all cities in Mexico close on it. It's a tiny, tiny country. Nothing more perfectly encapsulates the temperament of conservatives in the U.S. right now than Lou Dobbs trying to play the victim after his political opponents were just sent bombs in the mail. That is a very good point as well. And as someone else pointed out, in attempting to frame this as a false flag, like this is definitely benefiting future terrorists.

Like when have we ever, like a terrorist has tried to blow up something, failed, and we say, eh, they probably weren't trying to kill anyone. When have you ever seen that messaging from the right? It was just a stunt. Charlottesville? Yeah, maybe, if they know it's the right winger. And Brett and a corn in the super chat said one question for John that will determine if I join with John or Anna.

I hear you paint miniatures, do you play Warhammer? And I say this even knowing that Ben is next to me, I do not play Warhammer, but I did previously play Warhammer 40K. So I will say that. What sentence was that? How long do this means? I do not play Warhammer, but I previously play Warhammer 40K? See, here's the thing, Ben's a sharp guy.

He didn't have any inroad to what I was actually talking about, but he knew that if If you put in that voice, you'd get far. Yeah, well, first of all, John, as usual, I wasn't listening. It's the game. Anyway, and I put on my Instagram, I posted, Anna and Jenk had been to talk, Anna blew up my spot and said that I paint these miniatures as like a relaxation thing. And so on my Instagram at John Ida Rola, I put up an example of one of the ones that I painted that I was a little bit proud of.

But they want to know a miniature, what? They're like miniature little figures that are using games. And show exactly how big is it? It's like that big. I couldn't imagine. You know, I'm going to try that, and then I'm going to record the 35 to 40 seconds before I threw it. How big are they? Do it to your camera.

How big are they? So we can get a sense and do it to your camera. I don't know, like that. Do you just want me to do this on camera? Is that what you want? Great. That is, that's what I want. Okay, yeah, I sort of felt it, but it wasn't aware enough to not do it.

Oh, I didn't even go. So, enjoy that, Internet. Anyway, can you come back to me? Walk up here? Just in case. Maybe you did it instead. Anyway, I kind of want to talk about Saudi Arabia and Yemen though, so maybe we could transition to that, you bunch of savages.

Okay, Bernie Sanders has continued his drive to fundamentally alter our relationship with Saudi Arabia in a new New York Times op-ed. And I want to read just a few sections of it. You should definitely check it out. It was published within the last day, and it has to do with our long-standing military and economic relationship with Saudi Arabia now viewed through the lens of not only the ongoing atrocities in Yemen, but they're also their targeted assassination of Jamal Khashoggi. So he says this, the likely assassination of the Saudi critic and the Washington Post journalist

Jamal Khashoggi underscores how urgent it has become for the United States to redefine our relationship with Saudi Arabia and to show that the Saudis do not have a blank check to continue violating human rights. He said, the United States is deeply engaged in this war. We are providing bombs the Saudi-led coalition is using. We are refueling their planes before they drop those bombs, and we are assisting with intelligence. He goes on to detail several of the specific instances, I'll get to that in just a second. He goes on to detail some of the specific instances in which multiple civilians have been killed

with our assistance, including the bombing of the bus full of kids. And he talks about the sheer number of civilians, something like one out of three bombings is against non-military targets. And we, at every step of the way, are assisting in that. Finally, he says, I very much hope that Congress will act, that we will finally take seriously our congressional duty and our support for the carnage in Yemen and send the message that human lives are worth more than profits for arms manufacturers. So he joined several other politicians who are not only hoping that as he tried earlier

this year to reassert Congress's control over military actions like this, but to take back the planned arms sales to them and basically have some consequence, any consequence. whatsoever for their targeted assassination of this journalist. At the risk of talking about something that I don't know enough about, I am critical, and many of us are, you are as well, John, and I think J.R. 2 of some people to the left of us for some of the, I think, nonsense that is spewed on a fairly regular basis, although there's certainly plenty of smart people to the left of me. But one of the things that they were right on and that I didn't know enough about

and sort of shamefully ignored was Yemen. And many, they've been right from the start, and we shouldn't have been involved in it. And the beginning of this is on Barack Obama and John Kerry and Samantha Powers watch. And Trump expanded it, but they started it. And, you know, some of their defense would be we didn't mean for it to be like this. And I think they probably didn't mean for it to be like this. And they thought Hillary Clinton would win, and there would be still an opportunity to sort of solve this diplomatically. And then there wasn't.

But it's on them. They started it. I agree. And I wish I had been stronger and tougher on this then rather than just now when it's now Trump's deal. See, your approach is rare. That's the problem. So the whole point of admitting when you've done something wrong or if you've gotten yourself into something you shouldn't have gotten yourself into, is the first, if you're honest from the beginning and say this is the reasoning, this is what we were trying to get in here to do. If it didn't work out that way, it means you misinterpreted something, you misread something.

That's what humans do. No one's perfect. But we have this, the end game is to make sure that you're not held responsible for anything. Oddly coming from a bunch of people in government that always say, hey, personal responsibility, take care of what you're supposed to do. Hey, pull yourself by bootstraps and do the responsible thing. We teach our kids that. But the end game when you're a politician is to say, hey, it wasn't me.

Or since it now was me, I have to continue to go down this horrible road that I already know is a horrible road. because somehow that's a better way to go. Killing more people, murdering more children, doing this this way, is better than me going, okay, we totally F this up, how do we fix this? Or to a degree, change course, so at least it doesn't get worse. The only thing that matters is covering for yourself or saying, hey, it wasn't me, so maybe vote me back in again. That's all that matters.

So if you were in position during the Obama administration, Ben, you'd go, hey, guys, we really messed this up. I told we misread how we were going to do this. What are we going to do now? And they go, shh, and even more so in an administration like this. Like, oh, well, you mean, I can get more votes off of this and just continue to demonize certain folks. This is perfect. Because you see, all of the hatred that came towards Barack Obama from the opposing side of the out did not say, hey, do you know what he's doing? In Yemen, we would never do this.

Because if they get power, they would definitely do this because it makes money. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. We have to acknowledge the context of it, that it did start under there. I would clarify, just in case it wasn't clear, I've never supported this conflict. And I've actually been talking about the conflict, the famine, and the cholera for literally years ago. I never supported it, but it wasn't. But the criticism of it was not even close to the forefront of my mind.

Like, that's all. I just mean, like, I wish I've questioned our closeness with Saudi Arabia. I have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's an issue that that's a peculiar relationship and a complicated relationship. and a relationship that has spanned multiple presidents, multiple administrations. So Greg Barker made a film called The Final Year, which is really interesting about the last year of American foreign policy under Barack Obama, their final year, which sort of features

Ben Rhodes, Samantha Power, and John Kerry principally. There's also some Susan Rice and some Barack Obama in it, too, but it's mostly those other three. And then I did a Q&A with Rhodes and Power and the director, Greg Barker. First of all, it's a good film. And the last question I asked her was, what's the thing you goofed most? This was about a year ago now. What's the thing you, was the biggest mistake you guys made?

And she said, oh, Yemen, no question. We left a mess for these guys. We left a mess. And I regret that. You know, acknowledge that. Okay, let's turn to our last topic for this hour. It just broke just recently, actually. But Megan Kelly is apparently out as the host of NBC's Today Show.

There had been sort of rumors going around. She was not going to be appearing for the rest of this week, but she is now formally out. She also has dropped her talent agency and gotten a new lawyer, all of this coming in the wake of her comments about Halloween and Blackface coming earlier this week. So although it's interesting from my point of view, Megan Kelly has always been extremely questionable on topics like this. So I don't know why everybody's so shocked all of a sudden. But what she said was awful, and they apparently are taking it seriously. Yeah, I mean, I thought what she said was, obviously, I mean, it was so stupid that I didn't think it rose to the level of awful, because it wasn't, you know, it wasn't a particular thing that she didn't do it, right? She was just saying, well, I was a kid was fine, because I never bothered to think outside the limited scope of my world.

I never, because I have no empathy, I never thought about anybody else. there were so many things that she had said that suggested I thought that her hiring at NBC News was a terrible one and wouldn't work also if you just from a business point of view she appealed to that audience she a very good broadcaster she's a very good broadcaster she is given so I don't know what she would yeah her belief system seems a little messed up but if she's I imagine she'll go back to Fox and she'll probably do well I don't know that there's anyone else who will hire her NBC also news also made the decision to give rid of a pretty popular last hour of the morning show with Hoda Koppi and Kathy Lee Gifford and replace it with Megyn Kelly today. It's gonna be very awkward for the next host of Megan Kelly today, not to be Megan Kelly. Or maybe they'll just hire another Megan Kelly. If they can find one. They could find one.

Seems fun enough. So I don't know, I just find it, it surprises me that this is the thing that got her. It's so surprising to me that I think that the ratings were bad. She's making $23 million a year. So I think my guess is, and it's just a guess, that she was done anyway. Like they were gonna, like, they were figuring out maybe it was gonna happen to the first of the year, over the holidays, something, and now this happened and they're like, hey, what do we, let's just, let's get this going down.

But they're gonna have to pay her a tremendous, because that just didn't seem fireable to me. And her apology, her apology was, was actually pretty good. Yeah, her apologies as far as, is different than most because apologies always get bungled. Somehow, I'm always confused as how someone's apology goes, I can't believe you'd say that to me, you should be sorry. But, so from that aspect, she was saying she didn't know. And we

talked about on the show, I wasn't here, but we talked about how this is based in ignorance. Megan just didn't know. Megan Kelly's going on 48 years old. I'm sorry to give her age, but everyone knows. It's easily searchable. I'm 38 years old. I've heard of it. How could you not know? Hey, hey, if you didn't grow up in the time of menstrual shows and blackface

and understanding what it was, your favorite celebrities since 1990 have been getting in trouble for menstrual black face appearances at Halloween. So it's not new. It's not, hey, you know, I didn't know about this whole Halloween thing. Remember the orange is a new black costume that the dancer from Dance with the Stars? I think it was her. One of them did it, and she darkened her face, and she caught hell for it.

And then she goes, oh, man, I didn't know. So move aside and say, oh, you didn't know. But then I think the icing on the back of this whole conversation that Megan Kelly had on that show was, it's just so hard to keep up with the PC nature. like us normal people have to keep getting offensive. That's right. Who are the abnormal people? You're the normal person who doesn't know the history of blackface and the effectiveness

that had on people in the country from as far back as any kind of entertainment that we've had and the way that it portrayed black folks and a lot of people have these perceptions of them that went on to murder them on a mass scale. You don't know about the background of anything of that. If you don't, be quiet and wait and learn. Instead, after she caught backlash, then she says, you know what, I need it to just maybe it's time for me to start listening. You should just start listening a long time ago.

Back when you told that 14-year-old black girl was getting beat up by police in Texas, hey, maybe she shouldn't have been doing that to Santa Claus and Jesus were wise. She's no angel. Yeah, she was no angel. How do you know? But, okay, so I don't want to make any, you can't make full assessments on someone's potential discriminatory basis is off of a few things that they've said. But there's been several.

And she's not dumb, as you said. No, she knows. Yeah, she can, you, so I guess my problem with the apology was the, I'm just a, I'm just this, I read it, I read it, I read it, I read it, I read it, I know, that's read a million things, but somehow I missed the black face memo. She didn't miss that memo. And compared it to black people doing white face, because those are the same. Right, because that's all, first of all, that happens all the time. And I, let me tell you something, Jay-L-I saw that movie. If you ever do that, I'm going to get very fed to, because that's always offended me to my court when both.

when black people do white face. That's just that that's been going on too long in America. And we've got to put a stop to it. I agree. Yeah, I'm largely in the same position as you. I feel like, I mean, considering the amount they were paying her, I don't think that they would have fired her based purely off of that comment. You know, and obviously, I mean, many people find it incredibly offensive.

People can defer on that. Certainly, her presentation of the topic seemed to be aggressively ignorant about that topic. Yeah, it was like, I don't want to hear it from anybody who's going to tell me that this isn't that this is offensive. You know what? I like Diana Ross. Hey, there's a flow chart. I talked about this one.

It's a floor chart. You guys can find it on anywhere. Ask the question, should I dress in blackface for Halloween? All signs point to know. If you go, no, no, but I actually like the character I'm dressing up as, that sign points to know. It's like, no, I'm not actually a racist. That sign still points to know.

You're going to have a fabulous time at your Halloween party. If you dress up as Diana Ross, if you dress up as Stevie Wonder, and you don't darken your face. Can I just, as we go out, I want to say. You'll still get there. As we're nearing Halloween, you know, you never met her, but my ex-wife was black, right? And I wanted to go Halloween every year. We never dressed up.

But I wanted to go as Ike and Tina Turner. But she would go as Tina Turner, and I would go as Dwight Eisenhower, and we would tell everybody, we're Ike and Tina Turner. And I thought, come on, that's so good. I like that. Yeah, so. You didn't want to be an abusive person, is it? That's right. The funny thing is, until you said the Eisenhower thing, when you first said that you

want to go, I was like, dude. My views on Ben are changing. Why would he want to do that? I didn't want to wear a bald thing over my hair, so we never did. And last thing I want to say in this, to those who have freaked out about concern about blackface, I just think it's weird that there are honestly people who get more offended at being told they can't do blackface, they think it's more reasonable to be mad about that than to be mad about the blackface in the first place.

You could literally go as any costume as you want, basically. And because you can't do this one particular thing, you get pissed off about that. I will never understand that approach to the world. That's super last thing, and to plug your show, Wednesday on the Damage Report with John, we also did this ad that was down in Florida by, and obviously a white supremacist, racist group, I mean, put all the names on. The Robo Call? The Robo Call is about with Andrew Gillum.

It's exactly what a menstrual show would be. So it's 2018, but it's still happening. And when you hear that robocall and you compare it to what these minstrel shows were that were done in Blackface, it's not like you could miss it. It's not over it, it wasn't, it didn't stop in 1902. It's still happening. And it's purposeful to make people go, you know what, I hate that inward guy. Yeah.

It's what always has been. Okay, that's a fun thing to end on. Thank you guys for joining me in the first hour. It's been good to have you on. We're going to be taking a short break when we come back. Second hour, Sally Cohen, Brooke Thomas, going to be joining us. So much important news to get to.

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