The Young Turks - TYT Extended Clip - August 25, 2020

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. I'm going to be able to be. Hello and welcome to staying home, your revolutionary guide to the Green New Deal. Today we have Missouri primary victor on the Democratic side, Corey Bush, soon to become the next congresswoman from Missouri, the first ever black woman to be a congresswoman from Missouri. She ran in 2018. You may have seen Knock Down the House, the incredible documentary, which details

all these amazing women running for office in 2018, AOC, Paula Jean Swerington, Corey Bush, and others. She lost in 2018. She got 30% of the vote. She was running against a 50-year Democratic dynasty, the Clay family. And in 2020, she wins. She has just won. It's a very progressive district, so all likelihood is that she will be the next congresswoman from that district. And this is a person who has overcome enormous adversity, formerly unhoused, had COVID-19 while running this campaign, a registered nurse and ordained pastor, a leader in the Ferguson uprising, always on the front lines with a bullhorn and a big foe in her hand.

So to Black Lives Matter activists from the place, the Black Lives Matter originated Ferguson, Missouri, elected almost six years to the day from Michael Brown. death. And this is an extraordinary person who has an incredible inner strength and an enormous brilliance. So we're so lucky to have her on the program today. And it's representative of this wave of progressives fighting the Democratic establishment, representative of that moment of AOC's victory in 2018, of Jamal Bauman here in 2020 and Montere Jones and so many others. People who stand up for Medicare for all, people who stand up for the Green New Deal, people who stand up against police brutality, people who've been on the front lines, who have lived experience that teach them things that folks who are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, who often become

our legislators from the ruling class, from the upper class, don't have this type of knowledge and understanding what the United States truly is. And Cory Bush is a person who does. and that is who should be representing us. So we have her on the program today. And it's an extraordinary moment to celebrate progressive values on our resiliency and our steadfast commitment

to the politics of the people and the political revolution. So it's an enormous thing to have her on. And we've talked so much about this program, on this program, about the path from activism to politics. Cory Bush has said, she never even wanted to be an activist. She was a nurse.

She was showing up on the front lines of the protests in Ferguson. And then said, you know, we didn't get justice. So we kept showing up again. It kept showing up again. It kept showing up again. And that's what this is about. It's show up, show up, show up, show up. And now, as she says, from unhoused to the house,

a remarkable victory. So it's a great honor to have on staying home, your revolutionary guide to the Green New Deal, Cory Bush. Black Lives Matter activist, leader of the Ferguson uprising, registered nurse, ordained pastor, formerly unhoused person, defeating a 50-year dynasty in Missouri for Congress. This is, first of all, thank you so much. The last time I saw you, I don't know if you noticed was we were at that Bernie Sanders rally in New York City. An incredibly hopeful moment right there.

And right now is a little bit of a rough patch for us progressives. in a lot of ways, but your victory, a huge, huge moment of inspiration. Talk about, and of just success. Talk about what this incredible upset victory means right now. You know, it means so many things to so many different people. You know, it means that regular, everyday people, you know, are getting recognition, you know, as being able to lead, you know. It's that, you know, regular, everyday people feel like they have a voice.

You know, it's black women can actually lead. We're more than just a voting block we can lead and we can lead in Congress. It is, you know, that we don't have to be people who are bossed by big corporations and big donors, you know, lobbyists. It can be people who don't accept corporate money like me, people who care about the environment, people who care about, you know, mass incarceration and, you know, people having a living wage and, you know, families belonging, you know,

and being together and, you know, that Black Lives Matter and, you know, all of these things that, where we can stand up and be loud and proud about it and that we're fighting for these issues and advocating for health care, for every person. And, you know, it means that there's dignity and the quality of life, you know, that we're seeking, and it can come to fruition when you have people who are willing to,

who not only bring, you know, yes, do we want to have legislation, yes, but we want to have, but having that lived experience to be able to, you know, to inform legislation is powerful. So we've talked a lot on this program with a lot of folks. who've made the jump from activist to candidate, to legislator, all across the spectrum from New York, all across the country, to California. Talk about, you said, I did not intend,

or I was not trying to become an activist. You were a nurse on the front lines of the uprising in Ferguson. Talk about that path from activist, from nurse to activist to politics, now to a real leader of the progress. movement. Yes. So my father's been in politics for most of my life, more than 30 years, and I said I would

never do politics. Like, I use those words several times. I will never, I will never, like that was my thing, like a mantra. I will never. Well, it was just, I saw someone with such a good heart that was actually doing great work in the community, you know, just I saw so many darts come his way. I saw him go through so many things, just trying to, help people. And so I was like, why would I want to volunteer to do this? And it wasn't like he was getting money for it. And, you know, it wasn't helping put a food on our tables. I felt so, you know, why are you doing this, dad? But it wasn't. So I went into ministry. That's where I felt like I could help people. Started working with our unhoused population, working in human trafficking,

trying to save lives that way. And then also, I was a nurse. And so that's, that. And so that that's how I was saving lives and directly affecting the community through those efforts and through that career. But when Michael Brown was murdered, I felt like, okay, I'm a nurse. I can go out to the streets and be a medic. I'm clergy. I can go out and pray with people, you know, and so that's what I did. But it was just that I ended up staying because when I'm out there in my own community and I'm seeing something that I just never thought I was seeing my own community before, you know, I just would have never thought that it's like civil rights footage, you know, but it was happening in my time. And so we continue, I just continued on and

I wanted to see justice. But every day, like we were, today, will we get justice? You're tuned in to staying home. You're a revolutionary guide to the Green New Deal. My guest is Corey Bush. We'll be right back. to staying home, your revolutionary guide to the Green New Deal. My guest is Corey Bush. Every day you're waiting for justice. That's where you left off. Every day, yes, every day waiting for justice and justice didn't happen.

So we would go out again the next day. And then, you know, there's no, there's no activist guru person that annoys you and says, okay, you've been out 83 days, so now you're an activist. Like, that doesn't happen. And so I wasn't, you know, wasn't trying to do it. It's just I had to come back. I had this insatiable desire to see justice that didn't come. Well, the community protested for 400 days.

Yes, yes. And that's where the origination of the statement Black Lives Matter comes from. You must feel, talk about what it feels like right now to see this entire nation erupt in protest. It was such a longstanding effort. I mean, it's something that I haven't seen in my lifetime from coast to coast. people in the streets with such a sustained effort. Talk about what this feels like. And I think also, you know, on the heels of these protests

are in the midst of these protests, people like yourself, Jamal Baumann, Mandar Jones, being elected and all the squad, rewinning their elections at this moment. Talk about the feeling of that arc for you as a person who witnessed that from and participated in that from some of that origin of that. Yeah, you know, the more art.

The arc of the universe is bending towards justice, hopefully is what that means. But it's like we fought so hard and we believed so deeply. That's why we kept showing up. We felt like our voices, voices of people who were not connected the day before August the 9th, you know, unemployed people, doctors, nurses, educators, you know, retirees, just students, you know, that we could make change if we stayed diligent and persistent and kept a clear message. But people, the way people antagonized us and, you know, they called us terrorists and black extremity, you know, a couple of years later, that's what we were called, you know, that whole thing, you know, it started to feel like we were beating, like beating our heads against the wall, you know, because you had some help. but then you had so many people that just felt like you didn't know what you were talking about,

like you were just there to cause trouble. And then now, and then 2017, we kind of went through that. But now seeing so many people, it's kind of like the wrong word. So it's not really vindication, but it's just like, I told you. Like we've been saying this for so long, but understanding that leaders lead from the front and they do things that are unpopular, and they push them and to make them popular so that brings the awareness and the visibility.

So understanding our place, you know, but like it's now we see all of these corporations and businesses big and small that are saying Black Lives Matter. We see, you know, major, you know, sports teams and organizations saying Black Lives Matter and where they, I think before they were, some of them were being, people were being penalized

for standing up. And so, well, we know they were. But now seeing this, it's like, okay, now we can get somewhere. We have the visibility. We have the awareness. But who is in those seats of power that can help push legislation? Because we can do this side. We can do the protest side and the visibility side.

But it goes nowhere if we don't have people in seats that are willing to use the pen that they have to go ahead and create this legislation and push it through and having a president that will sign it into law. So that's what we're working on now. Well, one of the most profound things that I felt that you said in the documentary, the Netflix documentary, Not Down the House was people are waking up to see that the problems that we have are problems that we ourselves can fix. And I found that so profound because so often we think about power as external. Power is something far away.

Power is something the oppressors are coming from far away. Talk about, because this seems very clear to me, right? when we were in those protests just in New York City and Brooklyn late, like, you know, last week, whatever it was two weeks ago, it strikes me as completely confusing that there is no mechanism for our government to address protests directly. But yet we have the power to fix these problems ourselves. Talk about this notion. Expand on this. So it was just regular folks coming together that beat the pavement for more than 400 days. And legislation happened all across our country.

Change happened, that ripple effect of that change has continued on even six years later, not just in the United States, but even around the world. And so that is one. So we were able to make that change by staying. We had that stick and stay. But then also,

we decided to not only stop with that. So we started working, and we have a group that went into search and rescue, making sure they're missing girls, because we have a big problem with missing girls, black girls in our community and in other places. So search and rescue, another group that I'm with, we started working with the unhoused population. Another group started with so like so many

different groups, you know, we've started so many other things just trying to fix these issues ourselves. Working on stopping the violence, the communal violence and gun violence in our areas, you know, we did that. We started to do that work and then putting that pressure on people that are in power. There is a group locally here in St. Louis. They put together a whole campaign, closed the workhouse. Ben and Jerry helped with that, you know, gave that visibility. You know, closing the workhouse, a medium security institution that was, the conditions were just, just reprehensible. And you know what? Two and a half years these activists pushed and we got it closed over in just the last, over the last month, month and a half. That is the, that is the

work that we can do ourselves. Well, let's talk a little bit about the police, defunding the police, the militarization of the police. People often understand what this idea of defund the police means. Clarify this and talk about this from your perspective. For me, it's a reallocation of funds. It's not saying that the police won't be funded. It's not saying that they won't have a salary, that they have to volunteer.

It's saying that there are areas in our community that are underfunded while the police are able to buy tear gas and MRAPs and, you know, bear mace and rubber bullets and stockpile swat gear. Well, maybe, well, we don't need that. What we need is money in our social programs. What we need is we need a safe and adequate housing for our unhoused population. What we need is we need more resources for our communities. our community, our health department, when we think about, even in my community, when COVID-19 hit, we all, so we already had issues with people not having access to health care or having the access, but not the money to pay for the health care. But when you add COVID-19 to it, it really hit people hard. We didn't even have, it took a long time for certain parts of the St. Louis area to get COVID-19 testing supplies. Of course, those were the majority black communities. Those were communities that are more disenfranchised. And so we put more money into those areas, put more money into social programs, put money into mental health, you know, instead of having our police officers be social workers

and being, you know, in our schools as SROs and all of that. Like, we don't need that. Put therapists in our schools. Put counselors and wraparound services in our schools. So that's what we're talking about. You know, I want to just ask a slightly bit of a personal question because you have a face-down so much adversity in this journey. You're unhoused, you had COVID-19, you've been assaulted by the police.

You talked about domestic violence on democracy now. You know, when we think about climate change and we think about what's coming, the idea of resilience is so important. We all are going to have to have some kind of internal resilience to deal with what's coming our way. Talk a bit about what gives you strength. Where does that incredible resilience and strength come from? And do you, where do you, what do you pull on? What do you draw on? You know, when I think about a lot of the things that I started to experience,

the very first thing that kind of knocked me off my square, I was 14 years old, and it was basically an administrator saying that I cheated on an interest exam because I was the number one student walking into a basically all-white school. and they didn't believe that I could do that. And so they called me a cheater and made me retest, and I did even better. But I took a lot of, right, exactly. But I took a lot of harassment and there was a lot of intimidation

that came out of that. And so it put me on, I went into this spiral and my life went a whole different direction. And, you know, but there was someone later on that helped me. And I remember that had this person not spoken into me and helped me and believe that I could have a different life, if that person would not have done that and taken that time, I would not even be alive today. You know, and so I give that back, you know, and so I remember that and just remembering the mission that I have. The mission that I know is in my heart is to love people because that's what was given to me. There was this love that didn't have to be extended to me.

And so for me, I'm giving that back because that's why I'm still here. You know, I don't deserve to be here. Like, I didn't do something great that says that I need to be on this planet. Somebody spoke up and stood up for me. And so I'm still here. And so because of that, see, you know, they didn't take me out. Every time the bullets came at me or whatever it was, they didn't get to take me out. So because of that, I'm still here and I'm okay with being vulnerable enough to make sure that

other people don't end up in those spots. So because I love you, I care that the police don't murder. your family member because I love you. I don't want you to be unhoused or unsafe housing. So I'm going to work for you because I love you. I care that you have a quality of life and that you have decent wages where you can take care of yourself and your family and have something left over to say, you know, because, so that's where it comes from. And so even in those times when I'm feeling, you know, discouraged or whatever, when I think about if I stop, could somebody die? If I stop, how will somebody hurt? And so I pick up and keep going because someone did

for me. You're tuned in to staying home with Josh Fox, your revolutionary guide to the Green New Deal. My guest is Cory Bush. We'll be right back. You're tuned in to staying home, your revolutionary guide to the Green New Deal. My guest is Cory Bush. And you had COVID-19 during the campaign, uninsured, and you still won. I mean, this is amazing. I mean, you know, it's a remarkable achievement. Most people have. COVID-19, they don't get back out of bed. I mean, that's, you know, it's a serious, serious disease. Talk about the experience of all this coming at you during the campaign. Yeah, it was, so it was, it was rough. But I think I had a little bit of boot camp with my

2018 run because in 2018, like two and a half months before my race, I had the car accident, you know, and so I was off my feet for about six, about six weeks, you know, and I stayed in the race, was unsuccessful. And so this time around when COVID-19 hit, you know, I had all the symptoms of it, even though my test came back negative. I was sick for two months, you know, two or four months, barely getting out of the bed, barely could walk to the bathroom, you know, breathing, you know, just every moment feeling like it could be my last because my breathing was so shallow and it was, it was just really, it was terrifying.

And it's still, let me just say, it's still terrifying because if there's a moment where I start to feel like, wait a minute, my breathing is a little off, you know, I'm thinking in my head, like, oh, my gosh, is this coming back? You know, so it's still terrifying. But I have an incredible team, and my team kept going. They didn't, you know, it was just like, okay, Corey's on a break. And they kept moving, you know, they didn't stop. And so that's what was, that's what we needed in that moment was people that understood

that this, the mission of this is greater than one person. Like with Senator Sanders, you know, it was about a movement and not one person. So you can take out the head, but you can't take out the movement. Well, AOC, while addressing the DNC, the Democratic Convention, she said, I have fidelity and gratitude towards the movement. And it was amazing because it was almost as if she was saying her allegiance was to the movement over the party. And that was a remarkably bold and brave. And the mainstream media, of course, attacked her for it. You voted against the Democratic platform.

I was on the platform committee in 2016. I know what this is about. Talk about why you voted against it and talk about why it's so important that. The movement also challenges this establishment. Yeah, I had to vote against it. If I say that I'm about saving lives, you know, I went to nursing school and did all of my training successfully. But I don't remember a class. As a matter of fact, there was not a class that was let them die 201.

You know, there was no class on how to let people die. There were classes on how to provide quality care to anyone that comes to you as a patient. And so that's what I have to do. And so as a nurse, I cannot just sit back and allow 60,000 people a year to die because we're fighting over legislation or people don't understand, you know, how do I get to pick and choose who dies and who lives? You know, so who's going to show me that I want those legislators that feel that we don't, that Medicare for all is too much, that we need to have health care for some people. You know, I want them to come to St. Louis, come to this area and point out the people that should not have health care. You show me that. Because until you can show me that, I'm not fired.

Like, you show me that you stand up and be that bold. Because otherwise, I'm going to be this bold and say, all of my folks deserve health care. So that's why I'm rooted against it. Well, and also you have said you do support Biden and Kamala Harris in this election. Obviously, Donald Trump. Can you talk a little bit about the new? There's a cynicism within the Democratic Party that says, oh, we don't want to give people too much because, you know, that's, we don't want to upset the cart too much. And then there's a cynicism within the Republican Party that says people are dumb, so we're going to manipulate them into being racist and all these things that they are. And I think that what you represent and I think what Bernie Sanders represents and the progressors represent is this other politics of no cynicism, of respecting people, of believing at people. How do we at this moment recognize this? I feel what is an incredible cynicism. and Amy, for so little or such great manipulation on behalf of the Republicans,

with this moment where progressives are triumphant in so many of these places. How do you do this internally? Say what you mean and mean what you say. Because if you're going to open your mouth, I feel like we have to be accountable for every word. So if you can say it, you can do it. Otherwise, don't say it. So, you know, yes, I, you know, I'm going to stand up to make sure that Donald Trump, is not elected again.

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You know, I'm not going to do that because people's lives are in the balance. And so you're going to get all of this. So St. Louis has put up with me for the last six years on every bullhorn microphone television station. They have put up with me on the corners in this, wherever, you know, and they still said, you know what, that's the one that we want to, that we want her to represent us. from our elders all the way down to our 18-year-olds, they said this is the one. And so I have to continue that same voice for them in Congress.

And so I'm not going to allow myself to be bullied into or manipulated or pushed into or even, you know, tossed a few crumbs to make me change, you know, who I am. It didn't happen during Ferguson. When folks tried to toss crumbs, it won't happen now. And the thing is, if we don't speak up, if we're not clear about what we want, then they can just continue to not give us what we need.

So I'm going to speak up about it, but do I understand that there are processes and that there is sometimes there has to be compromising areas? Yes, I get that. But there are other areas where we can't. And if I allow them to shut me up and tell me what I cannot have or what won't happen or you need to be quiet, go along to get along, if I allow that from the beginning, then that's how I will be in the end. And I can't St. Louis is not sending me to Congress for that.

You know, the rules of the economy have always been stacked against poor people, black, people, brown people. And we, it's always been unfair and racist and deadly. But I feel with Stephen Mnuchin saying, we're not going to shut the economy back down again, that this pandemic has added another level of that type of lethal racism because we know who's dying from COVID. We know who's getting COVID, right. And they're saying, even though Robert Reich and many other. experts in the economy and say, we have to shut down the economy, we have to give people assistance. It feels as much like the Republicans are actually using the pandemic in a way.

Can you talk about the inherent racism in this drive to reopen the economy that we are seeing right now? You know, the essential, a big part, a big, you know, percentage of the essential workers, black and brown people you know and black and brown people are the ones that are a big percentage of those that have the cases many of the ones that died and to say I remember when that whole when you know people were you know going trying to take down capital buildings you know in their states and showing up you know armed and you know something that I know that if I showed up to the Lord, you know, but, you know, but to say that I need my haircut, you know, this is the reason why we need to open back up our estate because I need a haircut.

We need to open, not that, you know, even though black and brown people in my community are dying at large numbers, you know, I need a haircut or I need to be able to go to this store. I don't want to wait in line. I don't want to wear a mask. I don't want to even though. And so the fact that that is also being perpetuated, you know, coming by some of these lawmakers, you know, that are also trying to be buddy-buddy with a president that shouldn't be. You know, I think that it says a lot because he's not shutting it down.

We have to pay attention to that. He never shut it down. He even propped up those legislators, those governors that were allowing it. Let that be a Black Lives Matter protest where we run into the Capitol building. with big guns, you know, and shouting at the police. What would happen? It would be a, I can't even, I don't even want to imagine what would happen. But we're seeing it right there.

That's why our work has to be in making sure people understand why Trump has to go. Because it's not just Trump that we take out. When Trump goes, his administration goes, and when his administration goes, all of those governors and other legislators, they lose part of their power. They lose what has them in this place of feeling entitled right now. So we have to take him out to get the rest of them out.

I think about my own governor. We cannot have somebody being buddy-buddy to Donald Trump when you know that you have black and brown people. You have Asian people in your state. And you have some, you have disabled people in your state. And you continue to allow this man

to rip and hurt that community. You know, we have to get him out. Last question, I know because you have so many things on your incredible agenda. You've been standing up and speaking out about COVID-19 within prisons. And the carcstrel state is one of the legacies of white supremacy, and we see that right now. We see so many of these protests talking about this. Talk about COVID-19 in prisons. And I'm afraid we have to let you go because you have many other important things to do.

Yeah. Well, you know, we don't already, the state of some prisons as it relates to medical services is all, there, it just isn't where it needs to be in the first place. Just when we talk about medical services in prisons, and I know because I've worked with nurses who's part-time job, you know, or their other full-time job was working in prisons, always being understaffed, you know, just so many issues within the prison.

And so when we talk about that, we talk about what the regular, just regular issues in prisons of overcrowding, you know, of the conditions, being deplorable, you know. But so we're, so the conditions already weren't, weren't great, you know, or even good. The conditions were bad. And then to all on top of that put COVID-19, you know, we are, and to feel like we shouldn't have, that we should continue to house people in these conditions so closely together and

making and not giving them the opportunity to be able to really social distance because of the situations of the prison, you know. You're actually killing people, and it can't be okay to put their lives on the line simply because they're in prison. You know, like, that's not a good enough. That's not a reason. We have to save lives regardless of who we're talking about. I'm not for the death penalty.

And that's what that is. When you keep people locked up in these prisons, that is like a death sentence for people who, you know, don't deserve that. That's not their sentence, you know, so we need to allow, we need to depopulate these prisons. Cory Bush, thank you so much. Congratulations on this incredible victory, and thank you for being with us today. Hopefully, we'll see you again soon, and much success in the future.

Thank you very much. All right. Have a good one. You too. You're tuned in and staying home with Josh Fox, you're revelation to the Green New Deal. My guest is the great Dustin Hammond, musical guest, Dustin Hammond from the band Run On Sentence.

Dustin, you and I have played before thousands of people and we've played in pizza parlors where there was like two people and they weren't even paying attention. You know, it's a long way down rock and roll. You know, what is it that you strive for before we get to song in terms of making music? Is it internal? Is it a connection? What is it that where does it come from? You know, for me it's it is almost like a. spiritual practice. Maybe that sounds cheesy or something,

but like I like to, I like to start songs when I'm kind of out of my head a little bit. I like to get, I like to let melodies sort of just come through me. I like to sit out in nature and just like listen to the wind and stuff or just kind of close my eyes and lay there

and tell something to sort of wells up internally. But then in the writing process, You know, sometimes I get really into pop music and stuff, and I get really into, like, producing when I get in my studio. But I like to kind of approach it from both sides, you know. I find the song so dramatic. They're, like, little plays, or they're, like, little movies. They're, like, little tragedies.

Or they can also be extraordinarily celebratory, like, do the jellyfish. I don't know what you want to play, man. I would love to hear all your songs right now, but we have time for one. Well, pick it. How about a little feelings? Yeah. Oh, that's a great idea. Everybody's got a lot of feelings these days. It's good.

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So I think I'll just drift back to that bright horizon. Float like a cloud boat up into those purple skies, because I, ah, ah, I, ah, I, I, I don't want to feel like alone anymore. No, I just want to feel that's what feelings are for, yeah. I don't know what I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be.

Hanging up town with the sound of town with the sound of sight drive their troubles into the ground but up here we're riding rainbows and light so I think I'll have just one more unthink until I sink set all level with the blockers eyes I don't want to feel like alone anymore. No, I just want to feel. Oh, damn, the feelings are for you. I don't want to feel like alone anymore. No, I just want to feel

Oh, damn, the millions are poor. I just want to be. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Dustin Hammond, the band has run on sentence. The record is feelings. The song is feelings.

And feelings are what I'm feeling right now. That was amazing, man. Always. always amazing. Also, one of the greatest mouth trumpet players on the planet. You know money can't buy you love, and money also can't buy you a mouth trumpet. It's one of those things that you can't buy you a banjo player. Also, no, actually, that's not true. I'm available for hire. Weddings, bar mitzvahs. You know, wedding bar mitzvahs. That's your deal. Banzhos are often at any kind of function, you know,

visa party, whatever. So, you know, film festival, Root Canal, whatever you think, the banjo works along with, I'm there. I'm totally there. But tell us, Dustin, how do we find more? Dustin has a sentence. Currently, most of what I'm doing is my Patreon stuff.

I do, my CSM, which stands for community-supported music, and I release a song every month and then I have the bonus thing which you're aware of whereas there's more month the month but it keeps me it keeps me having some sort of regular income because it's a monthly thing and it keeps me

creative and making new stuff every month and so that's the best place to see what I'm currently up to and that's just just look up Dustin Hammond on Patreon and yeah and I think you definitely have to go out and get the records.

The records are extraordinary. I mean, they changed my life. So you were saying how your songs are like, they're like spiritual journeys, and the melodies are coming. Bob Dylan used to say, or I guess he may still say, that you're sort of, was it Bob Dylan or Woody Guthrie? It might have been Woody Guthrie.

That said you have to kind of be downwind from me. like it's coming from there and it passes through and it goes some other places but I always feel like you're so mild mannered when you talk you barely speak above a whisper

and then you do these songs where you're just like this incredibly emotional apex arias mixed with howling banshee at the same time like what's going on there? You know I don't know

I hear that a lot and I just people are like oh I I talked to you before and then I saw you sing and I was not expecting that but you know I just

I don't know I that's just the way I am normally but when it comes to making music songs want to go somewhere and I hear them and I had to figure out how to get them there sometimes like they're really extreme you know

they're sort of like yeah I find them extreme I mean in a way there's a folk feeling to them but like some of people don't understand that like that kind of music can also be incredibly extreme like Dave Van Runk would go and blow you across the room and you're sitting there with a guy with a guitar although run on sentence can be huge amount of people right run on sentence can be nine musicians or whatever just um but that depth of the extremes

that you go to um the music takes you there yeah yeah i've never asked you this kind of stuff before it's so weird to ask you these questions i think it also helps that i can at t yT you We frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives, constantly monitoring us and storing and selling our data. But that doesn't mean we have to let them. It's possible to stay anonymous online and hide your data from the prying eyes of big tech. And one of the best ways is with ExpressVPN. ExpressVPN hides your IP address, making your active ID more difficult to trace and sell the advertisers.

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Check it out today. I think I sing better when I sing louder sometimes. My pitch is usually more on, I think. And so sometimes I just naturally start singing louder. But also, I've toured so many places where I didn't have PAs and stuff. Of course, you know, you've been there when I've been asked to turn down and I wasn't even using a P.A. Yeah, that was a bad movie. We only have to go there.

But, yeah, that was one of those. you know, we were just playing so, so nicely and so well. And then, like, somebody was offended. Anyway, we're going to say goodbye, and I hope I see you down that long, dusty trail. Or you come here, which would also be great. And we have some recordings that the two of us did together that I think, let's hope I have some plans for in the future,

but we'll see. I hope so. All right. It's great to see. It's awesome to see you, Dussie. and hopefully I'll see you soon. Let's talk soon. Yeah, absolutely.

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