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Episode Date: June 10, 2020

George Floyd's brother is pleading with Congress to be part of the solution. John Iadarola and Ana Kasparian discuss on The Young Turks. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. What's up, everyone, welcome to the Young Turks, Anna Casparian and John Iderola with you. Yes, that John Iderola, the host, the executive producer of Damage Report, which you should be watching every single morning, one of the best shows on our network. One of the few shows on our network. So, John, how are you? I feel so welcomed on the show today. No, I'm good. I'm good. You know, just hanging in there. How about you?

I'm like physically and mentally exhausted today. It really hit me an hour before this show started. But I'm starting to feel re-energized. So I'm looking forward to the show. Actually, no, I'm not looking forward to it. Like, I have to be honest, these stories, of course, start having a psychological effect on you. They start weighing you down. So some days are tougher than others. And today's just one of those days. But I am looking forward to hosting with you. And there are important stories that we're going to get to later in the show. Can I just say one bit of news this morning that really depressed me is I did the damage report with J.R. Jackson. And we were talking before we started the show. And he said that through the course of this quarantine, he's continued losing

weight. And I thought, why did you have to tell me that? That's not necessary. Why did you do it? Why'd you do it, man? My least favorite topic to discuss with J.R. Jackson has to do with food and weight, always. Oh, you want to make the worse? He said he can, he's continued losing weight. And he said, and I don't know why. I'm eating horribly. I thought thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Well, let's, you're right. You're right. That's definitely depressing. I have taken up salsa at home. I've been learning way more salsa dancing. So I've been doing that for some exercise and stress relief. Maybe we'll talk about that in more detail in the postgame show. Become a member. Go to t-y-t.com slash join to not only support this company and keep us sustainable, but also to get all sorts of exclusive coverage. We're doing all sorts of specials. Of course, we have our daily postgame show. So make sure you check that out, t.yt.com slash join. All right, without further ado, let's get to some of the news today.

And I wanted to start off with something that really touched me this morning. And that was the testimony of George Floyd's brother. So George Floyd's brother testified before the House Judiciary Committee this morning in an effort to push for, of course, much needed reforms with policing in the United States. United States. Now, I didn't want to cut or edit out any portion of his statement because I thought it was powerful. So although the video that we're about to toss to is a little long, I think it is important to hear it in its entirety. Let's take a look. The little that he had to help others, he was our gentle giant. I was reminded of that

when I watched the video of his murder. He called all the officers, sir. He was mild-mannered. He didn't fight back. He listened to all the officers. The man who took his life, who suffocated him for eight minutes and 46 seconds, he still called him, sir, as he begged for his life. I can't tell you the kind of pain you feel when you watch something like that. When you watch your big brother, who you looked up to your whole entire life,

Die? Die begging for his mom? I'm tired. I'm tired of pain. Pain you feel when you watch something like that. When you watch your big brother, who you looked up to for your whole life, die, die begging for his mom? I'm here to ask you to make it stop. Stop the pain. Stop us from being tired. George called for help and he was ignored. Please listen to the call I'm making to you now, to the cause of our family and the cause ringing out the streets across the world. People of all backgrounds, genders, and races have come together to demand change. Honor them, honor George, and make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution and not the problem. Hold them accountable when they do something wrong.

Teach them what it means to treat people with empathy and respect. Teach them what necessary force is. Teach them that deadly force should be used rarely and only when life is at risk. It is on you to make sure his death is not in vain. I didn't get the chance to say goodbye to Perry while he was here. I was robbed of that. But I know he's looking down at us now. Perry, look up at what you did.

Big brother, you changed the world. Thank you for everything for taking care of us on Earth, for taking care of us now. I hope you find Mama and you can rest in peace with power. I thought that was a very powerful statement. especially because it, I don't know, at least for me, it makes me think about my own family members and what it would be like to watch my own brother get murdered in broad daylight like that and worry that there wouldn't be justice, you know?

And there's so many people out there who have experienced that and never received any justice. You know, in many cases, those cops are still working, they still have their jobs. They were never fully prosecuted. Maybe they were put before a grand jury and a grand jury decided, oh, no, it was totally okay to, let's say, shoot and kill an unarmed person, even though there was absolutely no indication that this person posed a threat. I mean, how many stories that we report on like that and there was no justice? So I just felt that it was such a powerful statement.

And all I asked for people watching this, you know, even if you might disagree with us, politically, ideologically, whatever it is, just for a moment, if you get turned off by people calling for reforms, people calling to defund the police and shift that money over to social services that we desperately need, put yourselves in the shoes of these individuals who have watched their family members get murdered. Those tapes, those videos exist. They're online. They're never going to go away. In a lot of cases, there's no justice. And just ask yourself how you would feel if you were in his shoes. Yeah. And as I watch that, I think about, you know, I'm sure him and his brother have had to see so many other instances like this in the past. They might

have spoken about it. And he finds himself having to deal with that now. And there are people that They're watching that speech, maybe watching it right now on our channel, who, because of how sick our system is and how resistant to change it is, that they might go through that same situation. The cycle is just so sick. And one portion of how sick it is, is like, you're, you know, you're tearing up. We all feel for the experience of what his family and his friends have gone through. And we like to think that, well, we don't anymore. But maybe when we were younger, we used to think that there are these different groups in politics.

And they disagree, you know, but we all just want to do the right thing. Like, does anyone think that Trump has thought for three consecutive seconds about what the Floyd family is actually going through? We know he had a phone call with him and wouldn't even let them speak. Does anyone think that, like, the right-wing pundits that are doing everything they can to turn the American people against the protest to make sure that there is no justice, no reform, that they've seriously thought about it, that Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson just sat down and weeped for the Floyd family? No, no. There's no, it doesn't care. The best you can hope for is that like last night, Sean Hannity had to admit that, you know, it shouldn't have happened. My, my, the empathy. It shouldn't have happened. And then he immediately turned to it's just a few bad apples. That's the best you can hope for. When we are faced with a tsunami of videos of police brutality,

maybe you can get them to say, well, it shouldn't have happened. But now let me change the subject to something else. Right. It shouldn't have happened. We, We condemn it, allegedly, right, but we don't want to do anything to change it. And that's what we've heard over and over again from right-wing television personalities, from right-wing politicians. And it's just what I can't get over, and this is what I talk about all the time when I say that this job has skewed my image of humanity significantly. I can't get over just how many terrible people exist in this world.

And how many people feel comfortable, right, constantly. And I can't get over how confident and comfortable they feel in voicing how purely evil they are and how they just justify what's been happening in this country for far too long. A lot of it has to do with greed. A lot of it has to do with cowardice. I mean, yes, Trump is a problem. But I would argue the larger problem is that the very people who are supposed to be holding him accountable, the very people who are supposed to serve as a check or a balance to Trump's executive power are people who are so concerned about their own political careers that they refuse to do anything to stand up to Trump, even when they know that he is.

been absolutely disastrous for this country, for this democracy, for our constitutional rights. It's just difficult to stomach that day in and day out. Now real quick, just some background on what this hearing was about. Again, this was the House Judiciary Committee and the hearing will examine the crisis of racial profiling, police brutality, and lost trust between police departments and the communities they serve. There were, of course, other speakers who testified during this hearing, including Benjamin Crump, who's a very vocal attorney.

He's represented so many people who have unfortunately been victimized by this type of injustice. Attorney Benjamin Crump presented a handful of concrete reforms to lawmakers, including mandatory body cameras, appropriate level of force based on level of threat, banning restraints like chokeholds and strangleholds, which of course some departments throughout the country have already done, but we don't have that kind of ban on a federal level. and reforms to how qualified immunity is applied to police officers. He was also quoted as saying the founding fathers knew they had not built an infallible system, a faultlessly union, but they did task us with the perpetual duty to aim for

it, a more perfect union of justice, liberty, resilience, hope, and compassion. We have to do better and we must strive to live up to those American ideals. And I think that statement is so important because for all the people who pretend they care about our democracy, what you're seeing out on the streets right now with Americans trying to hold our lawmakers accountable, trying to hold people in positions of power accountable, is what democracy is supposed to be like. And if you're against it and you want it to stop and you go out and you smear these demonstrators and protesters, then you're not really for democracy.

You might pretend you are, but the only time you're in favor of democracy is when it suits you. All right. Well, let's go to a person who definitely doesn't respect or care for democracy, and that's Jim Jordan. During today's House Judiciary hearing, there was a discussion about what needs to be done in order to reform policing in this country. The brother of George Floyd spoke and gave a moving statement. And then unfortunately, we have Republican lawmakers like Jim Jordan who wanted to deflect and focus on some of the violence that has been associated with these protests. Now, I think it is important to talk about the violence during the protest, specifically

the violence against peaceful protesters by the very police that they are protesting. But that's not the direction Jim Jordan wanted to go in. 330 million people in this great country, the greatest nation ever, not perfect, but the best nation ever, and they understand, they understand, the American people understand, it's time for a real discussion, real debate, real solutions about police treatment of African Americans. Americans also understand that peaceful protest exercising their First Amendment liberties honors George Floyd's memory and And it helps that discussion, that debate, and those solutions actually happen. The people of this great country, you know what else they understand? You know what else they get? They understand that there is a big difference, a big difference between peaceful protest and rioting. There is a big difference between peaceful protest and looting.

There is a big difference between peaceful protests and violence and attacking innocent people. And there is certainly a big difference between peaceful protest and killing police officers. You know what else they get? You know what else the American people fully understand? They know, as the chairman said, the vast, vast majority of law enforcement officers are responsible, hardworking, heroic first responders. No, I actually don't think that's what the majority of Americans understand. I think what the majority of Americans have seen over and over again for a long time, but certainly for those who have only been paying attention recently, is nonstop examines.

examples of police attacking peaceful protesters. Just yesterday I came across a video of cops in Minneapolis slashing the tires of healthcare workers because they got caught up in the middle of the protests. I, of course, throughout the week we've talked about the story of Martin Gugino, who is a 75 year old man who is shoved to the ground by cops in Buffalo, New York. Now, two of the cops were charged with assault. But every single cop that was There, dozens of them did absolutely nothing about it. They just allowed him to lay there bleeding from his ear and they refused to provide him any type of aid or help.

I've seen cops in New York attempt to run over protesters. Two police SUVs attempt to run over protesters. I mean, I think for anyone paying attention, it's become abundantly clear that there is a problem with the culture of policing in America. This is not a discussion about a few bad apples. And the fact that he's trying to paint it that way is incredibly pathetic considering all the footage Americans have seen throughout the last two weeks. Yeah.

Yeah, and it's transparently dishonest. If he's giving the protesters advice on how they should protest. And if the protesters took that advice, if that's how they'd been protesting this whole time, Jim Jordan wouldn't be providing this advice because he wouldn't be speaking about it because nobody would be speaking about it, because they'd ignore it. They ignore it as they have when people have protested in exactly the way that now the right is claiming is all that's necessary for change. It was ignored before, it will be ignored now.

That's why they're providing it as advice so that nothing changes. Don't care at all about these things changing. And it's very easy to make the entire thing about rioters if, as you point out, you just ignore the violent assaults that we've seen from the police throughout. And it's not shocking that Jim Jordan can very easily ignore those sorts of assaults. He ignored at Ohio State any number of violent sexual assaults that he knew about and had a duty to protect the students that he was responsible for. He ignored it then.

He's ignoring it now. He's an opportunist. He doesn't care about the damage that's being done around him. Not at all. Not at all. And look, there's a difference in what we've experienced in protests where police understand, all right, we got to let this protest happen. We're just going to be here to kind of keep things under control, but we're not going to intervene

in a violent way and antagonize these people and provoke them in any way. So like my sister-in-law is a police officer in Florida. And we talk about policing a lot. And it's uncomfortable sometimes talking about these stories because I do think about her. And I know who she is. I know what kind of policing she engages in and she's a good cop. And so she was telling me, she's like, we were all a little worried when she was called in on one the days when there were protests happening in Fort Lauderdale because we've seen things get out of

control and I was worried that she'd get caught up in it. And so she reports back and she's like, it was great. We were there to protect the protesters. We didn't intervene. We didn't like get involved in a way that would make things go out of control. At one point, she wanted to kneel and she was advised by her superior not to. And she did it anyway. She's like, I don't care. I'm going to do it because I believe in it, right? Now, I've talked on this show about, like, please stop sharing these videos of police kneeling, because as we saw in Buffalo, New York, these cops kneel with protesters, and then immediately after you see that attack on Martin Gugino. And so it's very clear that in a lot of cases, it's like a PR campaign that we shouldn't

be helping to publicize or spread. But, you know, when she told me that, I just, why can't every police department throughout the country treat the protesters that way? Because I guarantee you the vast majority of them are there because they're trying to change this system in a peaceful way, right? And if you're worried about the rioters or the looters, why don't you just focus on them? Why don't you focus on the so-called crime instead of like viciously going after peaceful protesters because it's past curfew, like 10 minutes past curfew? Yeah. Yeah, it's combination of different things. I mean, some of them have been trained to respond in this way. Some of them have been convinced by the media they follow that this is not

about, you know, small reforms or whatever. This is about trying to take out police permanently. And some of them got into this because they're violent people that want to have a chance to act out. Maybe that's not a lot, but it's, we're seeing it every day. You don't get trained to try to drive over protesters, something about you wanted to step on the gas at that moment. And so it's probably a combination of different things. And of course, some don't. But to just ignore the footage is insane. And it's not working. Okay, so Trump's base, I guess, isn't ever going to see any of this because Fox refuses to show it. And none of the independent right-wing media is ever going to show it either. But the vast majority of the American people

have seen it. They understand what's going on. That's why people are so supportive of these protests at this point. So I want to go to one more quick clip of Jim Jordan, and then I want to give you some of the responses on Twitter. What Americans also get. Guess what else they understand? They know it is pure insanity to defund the police. And the fact that my Democrat colleagues won't speak out against this crazy policy is just that frightening. Yeah, it's not frightening. And one of the most prominent Democrats, Joe Biden has spoken out against defunding the police, which is infuriating. He's actually proposed giving local police department's additional funding, $300 million. And by the way, defund the police doesn't mean, oh, this is just austerity.

It means, hey, you know what? Maybe it doesn't make sense to call on the cops to deal with everything that happens in any given city. So if someone is having a mental health breakdown, maybe it makes sense to fund actual experts who know how to respond to. that. Maybe it makes more sense to focus some funding on affordable housing. So instead of calling the cops to come in and brutalize people who have no homes and are living on the streets, maybe we actually have a place to house individuals who can't afford the astronomical

prices of renting a place or buying a place. Maybe that makes more sense. I mean, when you look at Los Angeles, for instance, more than half of the county's budget goes toward the police Department. And we have 60,000 people living out on the streets. And by the way, at a time when you're seeing all sorts of public programs getting cut, education, you know, social services, all that. Why is the police department the only thing that sees a little bit of an increase in how much it gets in the budget? So, I mean, no, it's not a scary, terrifying thing to do. It's about putting the resources in places where it makes sense. And, you know, the Republicans fearmongering about it, I mean, it was to be expected, right, John? I mean, that's certainly

something that we should have expected. And we should be ready with an aggressive message to fight back against the nonsense and misinformation that they put out there. I'll give you an example of a message that I think needs to be repeated over and over again, particularly when it comes to scum like Jim Jordan. So comedian Nick Pappas reminded us all. of this on Twitter, Jim Jordan translated, I prefer protests that are like allegations by Ohio state wrestlers. I should be able to turn my back and completely ignore them. Now, of course, those were sexual assault allegations that were brought to Jim Jordan, and he did nothing about him at all. Exactly. He's good at ignoring things. Yeah, if I was being, like,

if I was being particularly nice and reasonable, I would say that the, the right has put themselves in a very difficult position where they have told their base for decades now that literally everyone that doesn't worship at the same church as them is coming to kill them. They're all coming. You should be scared of everyone. So now, can you really say we should cut the military budget? We should cut the police budget. I mean, they love cutting budget. They love making the government smaller. But if you've convinced people that they should be terrified every second of every day, then they're not going to be. the ones they're going to be saying we shouldn't be spending as much on cops. Or let's have a

reasonable discussion about exactly what role police should have in our society. They have to pretend that defund police means that they will literally, will be in the purge, which no reasonable person thinks. But that's sort of what they've, that's how they've primed their base to see things. And I would also focus on where the resources, the resources that local police departments have, where do those resources go? Do they actually go toward inventing? investigating actual violent crimes like murder, homicide, rape. Is that what they're focusing their resources on? Are they focusing their resources on traffic stops?

Because regressive taxation is what makes every single city in this country run. Yeah. All right, well, we got to take a break. When we come back, we have a particularly disgusting person out of Tulsa. He's a police major in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and he argues, Maybe we should be shooting more black people. And I'm not even kidding. That's what he said.

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in policing. In fact, Travis Yates, which is his name, also suggested that they kill far less black people than they probably should. If you don't believe me, because this statement is outrageous, you can hear it for yourselves. Here he is speaking on the Pat Campbell show. Take the total number of people shot. 96% of people shot by cops had a weapon and were threatening that weapon. So 96%.

When you take that number, it's about 24% African-American and the rest mixed races. And that's why you get this meme of Blasher shot two times, two and a half times more. Everybody just goes, oh, yeah, they're not making sense here. You have to come into contact with law enforcement for that to occur. And so when you look at law enforcement contacts, if a certain group is committing more crimes, more violent crimes, and law enforcement haven't to come into more contact with them, then that number's going to be higher. And by the way, all the research said, including Rowland-Friar, an African-American Harvard professor, Heather McDonald, and the National Academy of Sciences. All of their research says, we're shooting African-Americans about 24% less than we probably ought to be based on the crimes being committed. And so there is, this is Travis talking.

The research is sound, but nobody's watching it. They're just looking at memes and losing their mind. What? I mean, like how- Ought to be. Ought to be. So he's, he's arguing like, I mean, you know, we're harassing way more black people than white people. So based on those statistics, we should be shooting way more black people than we shoot white people.

Like, what? Because he's talking about interactions and contact with people of different races that the police department has in Tulsa. Yeah. First of all, your mindset shouldn't be, oh, we probably should have shot this group of people more. Your mindset should be, hey, what can we do to minimize the number of police shootings overall, right? So like, if his argument is we actually shoot more white people than black people, I'm not in favor of that either. How about the cops don't brutalize anybody? How about that? But if you look at that specific police department, they do have issues with racial bias,

which I'll get to in just a second with actual details and facts and statistics, something that he failed to provide in that nonsense interview. But I mean, just this is his mindset. This is his mentality. It isn't, oh, what can we do to lessen the instances of police involved shootings? It's, oh, well, you know what, now that I'm looking at the numbers, maybe the number of shootings for this particular race needs to be higher. Amazing.

It's just amazing how these people think. Based on what he said, some people take away. If they're predisposed to agree with him in general, they'll be like, oh, well, he said 96% this. And he said, you know, I'm referencing science and it was by a black person too. Yeah, that can be tricky stuff. When he says 96% of the people that they shoot had a gun and were threatening with that gun, Maybe 96% had a gun. I'm going to say, based on my experience covering these stories, our definition of threatening

with that gun is probably going to be just a little bit different. He also casually passed over who gets shot is based on who has contact with the police. But that's like the whole thing that we're talking about is that it is set up to magnify certain types of contacts and not others. Cops are randomly pulling over people in certain neighborhoods that have certain similarities around the country and not others. They're not like snooping around Beverly Hills all day long to find some excuse to hassle people, but that does happen in certain neighborhoods.

And he just ignores it, either because he likes the way it's set up or he doesn't question it. He doesn't question that police resources are allocated to produce certain outcomes. Yes. He demonstrated that. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, it is kind of incredible how throughout the country, regardless of which police department you're talking about, these cops keep proving the point that the protesters are

trying to make, right? I mean, it's, they play right into it because they are who they are, they've been defending this kind of brutal activity forever, and they've gotten away with it. And I think, you know, the story that we talked about yesterday, the head of the New York state police union, crying and whining about how like, oh, we're being vilified, I think that that anger and his rage really came from how shocked he is, that for the first time, there seems to be a consensus that policing needs to change in America. And like, he's not used to it.

They're not used to it. Now, the same defenders are still out there, right? The Tucker Carlson's, the Sean Hannity's, the Donald Trumps of the world, they still exist. But what we're now seeing on the streets through these mass protests is people of all different backgrounds coming out and saying, no, we've had enough. And we're not going to let you guys stop us or intimidate us or just make us go away. We're not going to let up until we get real change. And it enrages them. So it just, again, blows my mind that, you know, Travis Yates, again, the major for the Tulsa Police Department, felt comfortable saying what he just said in that interview.

There's one more clip. Let's go to that. This generation, believe, means are the truth. And my kids showed me one just yesterday, you know, had a list of, you know, all these, all these victims killed by police. Because my kid didn't. He's like, well, what about this one? I said, that's Trayvon Martin. He wasn't killed by the police. He was killed by a dude working as a community, whatever, right? By the way, the same type person that they're wanting to put in cities now instead of police, dudes like that. What about this one? That's Sandra Bland. She wasn't killed by police. She committed suicide in their Texas jail.

What about this one? That's Tamir Rice. He was robbing people in a park with a fake gun, and when cops showed up, he pointed the gun at them, and they had to shoot him. So they're literally lying through, I mean, the entire world has been lied to, and over these years, Pat,

because of this money, because of the marketing, because of the slick stuff that they've done, they've made regular Americans believe that cops are just, hunting blacks down and straight killing him. Because that's what they're doing. That's what they're doing. Tamir Rice was 12 years old.

He wasn't right. He was in a park. Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old child playing with a toy gun in a park. And a cop showed up and shot him within two seconds. No questions asked. There was no investigation. Cod didn't even get out of his car.

He didn't even get out of his car. He didn't even get out of his car. No, I mean, to not mention that is madness. And man, we have seen an attempt to reinterpret or rewrite history. But to say that George Zimmerman is the model the left wants for community policing, I didn't hear a lot of that during the conversation around Trayvon Martin's murder. Wow, that is really something. He's a terrible person.

He just is. He has no business having any type of power, having any type of power. having any type of weapon, no business working in law enforcement, that's for sure. What if you live in that area? What are you supposed to think about the interactions you're likely to have with police of a person like him as in a position of authority, is perhaps providing advice or guidance to people coming up in the department? I would be even more worried for my life knowing that there's a person like this who not only harbors these beliefs, but is desperate to talk about them on a podcast.

So let me give you some details about Oklahoma and Tulsa specifically. Let's start off with Oklahoma and what the statistics say about policing in that state. So in 2018, for instance, the majority of people fatally shot by police in Oklahoma, 19, were white. So he is right about that. Six people fatally shot by law enforcement were black, four were Native American, three were Hispanic, and one was Asian. Okay. Now, it's easy to just look at numbers.

First off, I don't want any of them to get shot. I think there are ways to arrest people without just allowing cops to be the judge, jury, and executioner out on the streets. I don't believe in extrajudicial killings. Now, if there's a case where there's proof of imminent threat, that's different. But in far too many of these cases, we've seen that there is no imminent threat and the cops are quick to open fire. If your argument to me is, no, no, everything's okay because they actually shoot more white

people than black people. I think that's a stupid argument because I don't want them to freely shoot whoever they want regardless of race. But of course, we know that there is a racial bias because what you need to look at is how these shootings impact communities per capita. Because clearly there isn't a quality in the number of black people and white people in Tulsa or Oklahoma or any part of this country. Black people clearly account for a a smaller percentage of the population. So here's what we know when you look at per capita rates. While most of those killed by police were white, black Oklahomans were the most likely

to be killed in a shooting on a per capita basis. White people in Oklahoma were killed by police at a rate of one out of every 154,195 citizens, while black people in Oklahoma were killed at a rate of one. one out of every 51,260. So you kind of get the idea there, right? Like when you look at the rates per capita, it obviously impacts black people more. And then when you look at Tulsa specifically, they've had all sorts of issues within their police department.

So for instance, back in 2011, four of their officers were convicted of stealing money from crime scenes and also planting drugs on others. As a result of these actions, dozens of convictions had to be thrown out. And then their ringleader, his name was Corporal Harold R. Wells, was sentenced to 10 years in confinement. But in 2012, he was offered immunity if he testified about what else went on. And because of his testimony, additional arrests had to be tossed out because they had been tainted through the police planting evidence and doing all sorts of shady things.

Tulsa is also heavily segregated. And Human Rights Watch found that Tulsa police more frequently stop drivers in areas that tend to be poorer and with predominantly black populations than the rest of the city. So for this guy to pretend as if like, oh, no, no, no, cops don't have a racial bias at all is ridiculous. And then what's even more ridiculous is that he tries to justify police. shootings by saying, no, no, it's okay. We actually shoot more white people. Again, how about don't shoot anybody? How about find ways to de-escalate the situation and only use lethal force

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The progressive linguist says, Fox News had my family believing that George Floyd was a derelict who died because of fentanyl in his system. We should be protesting Fox News. Yeah, I mean, sort of are. I can't, like, I can't get over how many bad people there are in the world in our country every day. Like, every day. All right. And they all just seem to do pretty well.

That's great. They get rewarded all the time, all the time. Zero, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, writes in and says, one of the reasons why I love TYT is that you all clearly have empathy, and I'm so glad to support a channel that doesn't cater to soulless corporate sponsors requiring abandonment of empathy. Thank you. Look, I mean, I think what sets independent media like TYT apart from all the rest is that it's not just about like how difficult the job is. It's like the added stress of instability, honestly, like on the business side of things. And in order for you to do this, you have to absolutely care about what you're doing. You have to care about the topics you're talking about otherwise you wouldn't be able to survive this. Like it's not a highly profitable, stable

business to be in. So that's why you see the empathy and you see like, you know, the moments where I can't hold back and I tear up a little bit because I actually care about the stuff we talk about deeply. So, all right. Well, let's move on to some other news that's happening today. Donald Trump is expected to address the public on race relations in the country. And who else would write this speech other than the most empathetic and caring person on the planet, Stephen Miller. Now, obviously, I'm being sarcastic because Stephen Miller is nothing more than a disgusting racist monster. Because, you know, he's behind things like crafting Trump's travel ban, which is what he did in the very beginning of his term.

denying acceptance of refugees into the country. He also wrote Trump's inaugural speech. I mean, this is the guy who's been behind the so-called zero-tolerance policy at the border, which ripped children away from their parents as they were seeking asylum. Dozens of people have now died during the Trump administration in those border cages, including children. So that's who Stephen Miller is. And by the way, in November of 2019, something that we reported on, there were leaving

emails between Miller and Breitbart that showcased his extremist anti-immigrant ideology as an architect of Donald Trump's presidency, per the initial report. In one email, Miller was concerned that Confederate flags would be taken out of stores after Dylan Roof went into a black church and murdered nine black people. Yep. Yeah, he was worried about Confederate flags, as opposed to a... complete tragedy that took away the lives that murdered innocent people, nine innocent people inside a church. Anyway, that's who Stephen Miller is. And he will be writing Donald Trump's

speech on race relations. Really looking forward to that. Jesus. I mean, I, we had a debate on the damage report this morning, J.R. and I, about which direction Trump is going to turn this in. if this is going to be a doubling down of the dominate the streets, crush all dissent, wipe them out sort of messaging he's done so far that he thinks is what his bloodthirsty base wants, or if like he's gotten past his frustration at how the polls are going and realizes, oh, maybe I should do something. And so maybe he'll do one of his speeches that, you know, someone on CNN will be like, he was truly presidential today or something, one of those things.

the sort of fake reasonable ones. I don't know. I read that the speech is going to be in Tulsa, which makes me incredibly nervous about what sort of dog whistle he might use, you know, considering the history of racist violence there. I'm curious about your opinion, though. Do you think it's going to be a doubling down on the, you know, the explicit fascist crush all dissent? Or do you think he's going to read off a teleprompter and try to come across as someone who could

plausibly unite people. Honestly, I really have no idea. You mentioning CNN responding to a reasonable sounding speech with he sounds presidential, like, even though it hasn't happened yet, I'm already infuriated by it, because they're so stupid. They're so stupid and so unbelievably gullible and pathetic, I mean, God, mainstream media is embarrassing. The amount of, you know, leeway they've given him, how they've emboldened him and powered him, allowed him to lie to the American people over and over again without holding

him accountable. Now they're a little more aggressive. But all it takes is Trump doing the bare minimum for them to then turn around and say like, oh, he really does seem to be taking this seriously. He does sound presidential. No, he's trash. He's trash. That's your only commentary. Okay, Dana Bash? That's the only commentary that you should. should be giving about Donald Trump and his ridiculous speeches. I forget what he was addressing when he gave a speech that was like barely even reasonable. And she's like, you know, he sounds, he sounds very presidential here. And it was like, this is blowing my mind.

What are you doing? Are you asleep? Anyway, I'm sorry, I'm now like commenting on something that hasn't even happened yet. That's the most fun. Well, and can I say, I don't know, honestly, I could see it going in, and in, in either way. But, I mean, you would think that when they announced they were going to do the speech, that he would try to get on message leading up to it. And he has his tweet about how

Martin Gugino, a peace activist, is secretly a super soldier for Antifa that was about to take out a platoon of cops all by himself. So he's still doing that, and his team is still defending it. So I mean, God only knows. He's, he tweeted out today that we'll never change any of the names of these military bases that were named after like just the most horrendous, just terrible generals from the South during the civil war to placate racist local populations. We're not going to change those because that's part of our great heritage. That doesn't seem like the sort of thing you would say right on the verge of trying to bring people together. But if he does give that sort of teleprompter speech that he'll have no input into, and if

it is worded carefully enough, then it's not like some of those hosts that really they just want things to be stable and normal. Are they going to go back and say, well, then why did he have all these positions? I don't know. Sometimes there's that desire to feel like things have gotten back to a place of sanity. Yeah. No one should trust anything he says if he tries to sound But I think what's more likely to happen because this is what he's relied on, Donald Trump will take a situation where there's already division in the country and he'll find ways to exploit it for more division because it helps energize the, I don't know, 30 to 40% of Americans who support him.

They love it. They love it. It gets them riled up. And it's worked out for Trump because he doesn't care about the rest of the country. He cares about is energizing his base. So I wouldn't be surprised if he went in that direction. And I'm just, the only thing I do worry about is his actions, his speech leading to more violence and more chaos on the streets, because that's definitely what we saw in DC recently.

I mean, since that, he's been hiding out in his bunker again. But, you know, I just, I don't know. I'm terrified about how this is all going to play out. I just want him to go away. He's not fit to, I don't even think he's fit to be out on the streets at this point. He's a dangerous human being and he needs mental health, like treatment immediately. I said it yesterday and I'm going to say it again. He just does.

He's not well. No, no. And he should not be in a position where he's responsible for whether other people live or die. And I know, I don't know if you talked about on the main show, but there was over the weekend, There was the, you know, KKK leader who drove all the way up to, I believe, Seattle to try to run down protesters and then shot one. Like, we were predicting at the time that these inflammatory statements were going to have an effect. We were warning that some of these opportunistic, violent, murderous people are going to use these protests to try to get away with somebody like this. And it is happening.

We're rightfully focusing on the cops because the cops are the source of the vast, vast majority of the violence. But there are other people like that, these right-wing extremists that are trying to kill people. under the guise of what's going on. We're going to continue this conversation and more in our postgame for our members. You can become a member by going to t-y-t.com slash join. Our members help make this show happen. In addition to all the other shows we have in our network, like The Damage Report, check that out every morning, Monday through Friday.

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