The Young Turks - TYT Extended Clip - November 22nd, 2019

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

Trump is not a stable genius. Cenk Uygur, John Iadarola, and Mark Thompson, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Very strong week, big week, big week, big, strong week. Flawless for the president, just as good as he could have hoped for. He had a perfect week, perfect week. He had a week surrounded by other weeks, other big weeks. What are you going to hear from the idiot in chief in a second? God, he's unbelievable. Okay, you get it. But later in the program, look, every story is amazing.

But Sasha Baron Cohen goes after Facebook, Google, and the others in the harshest. just imaginable language. I mean, he came in super hot and super strong. And I love the guy. It's gonna be an interesting conversation about is he right, is he not? How right is he, et cetera? So I love that story. And then Indiana University with a difficult situation, a professor clearly over the top,

racist, sexist, anti-LGB. What do you do with him? He's got tenure. So it's fascinating. So lots and lots of amazing stories today, but we do start with the idiot in chief. Not John, Donald Trump. Thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, he's ostensibly joining Fox and Friends to prove how innocent he is.

We want to just quickly summarize what his appearance was like, as you'll see. I do want always corruption. I say that to anybody. So that's Trump on Fox and Friends. I don't think that's what he meant to say, but he was calling into his favorite show. and because he likes it, it's the most powerful news show on the planet. Fox and Friends, nobody saw that coming years ago. But anyway, he joined them for, I believe it was a 53-minute interview.

Oh, God. During which he never stopped to breathe even once. But he's talking about the hearing, and they will get into some of the people that testified. But first off, what is the part of this story that Donald Trump remains most interested in? I'll show you right here. right, from the DNC, Democratic National Committee. Who has the server? The FBI went in, and they told him, get out of here.

You're not kidding. We're not giving it to you. They gave the server to Crowdstrike or whatever it's called, which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI has never gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?

Are you sure they did that? Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine? Well, that's what the word is. That's what I asked actually in my phone call, if you know. So I guess we've gotten used to a lot in the past few years, but that interaction right there, what Trump said, and then the media, like his favorite state media response to him, should be a time for reflection on the part of all Americans, how far we fall, and that the president was just spreading conspiracy theories that when pressed by Steve Ducey,

who he's not going to go any harder against the president, then you sure that they did that president? Trump's response was, that's the word, and what does he mean? He means that he saw it on, you know, on Breitbart or on info wars or, like, it doesn't deserve any more respect than that. The president is spreading obviously false, many times debunked conspiracy theories on live television and his favorite show isn't gonna push back any harder than, you sure about that? But you know, I do want to be fair to Fox and Friends, why no one will know, I can figure

But seriously, like they, Ducey and Kilmead had faces on like, it felt like, don't, what do you do? Ducey shifted in his chair at one point, like, uncomfortably? So when you have gone to a level of stupidity where you've made Ducey and Killed Mead uncomfortable, you're in a whole different level. They look at Killing, like, I don't know about that, I don't think that's right, please stop I'm saying that. Please, please stop saying that.

It's really uncomfortable. Okay, but my two favorite parts, crowd strike or whatever it's called. Wait a minute, wait a minute, you're being impeached over this, okay, and you have this insane theory that no one else believes in, and you're putting it out on national TV, but you don't know what it's called. His carelessness is astounding. Like, if you bother to come up with a conspiracy theory, that is mental, and you're the president of the United States, and you're going to say it on national TV, have a firmer grasp of what you're claiming it's called, okay? Unreal.

And then they're like, are you sure about that? And he goes, well, that's what the word is. The word from who? The word from who? You have at your access thousands of intelligence officials. And they're at your command. They serve at the pleasure of the president. You'd be like, hey, you know what?

Can you tell me whatever that thing is called? And they'll tell you. Hey, can you tell me to Ukraine's habit? And they'll tell you. And if you say to them, hey, where'd you get that information? They'll tell you instead of, I don't know, that's what the word is. Yeah. Yeah, he's in command of some of the most powerful investigative bodies on the planet.

He can certainly run down this story. But he's desperate, of course, to serve up something that's related to Ukraine. Right? And so that's what he's trying to do. He's trying to warm up whatever old conspiracy theory he might be able to tie to this Ukrainian incident. And remember, this is right on the heels of the Fiona Hill testimony, which warned specifically about this kind of thing, about coming forward with these ridiculous theories that fly in the

face of fact, but are swallowed by a lot of people. Yeah, and just to be really clear in case you're not familiar with the theory, but also So the truth, CrowdStrike is not a Ukrainian company, it's a California company. The DNC didn't have a server that you can pick up and hold and give to someone. They had dozens and dozens of dozens of servers, some of them physical servers in a location, some of them a cloud-based storage that they were using. All of the information from those was provided to the FBI. So he's just lying about them, like the FBI busted in and like a guy grabbed the server and

jumped out of window because he didn't want the CIA. It's just, it's all made up. No, no. It would be like if I said, like the internet's a series of tubes, and I've heard that the tube got clogged and who clogged it, we're gonna find out. It's just such a ridiculous old person view of how tech works. How are you supposed to respond to that? He just lied in so many different ways.

First of all, John, please, not old person, boomer. Okay, tech boomer. Okay, it's- Okay, so there's so many things on that next level, right? It's on the cloud, but there are clouds in Ukraine, perfect clouds, big clouds surrounded by other clouds. It's in the cloud, how could it be in Ukraine? But there's no way he knows what the cloud is, let alone where it might be and its relationship to Ukraine. But guys, to John's point, and this is the most important one, we have a president of the United

States who is clearly mentally unbalanced. I mean, he goes on national TV and says, oh, this Ukrainian company, it's based in Sunnyvale, California. I mean, all you do is ask anyone or a Google search or anything, but no homework, wild, insane lies brazenly, it's a Ukrainian-based company, it's in Sunnyvale, right? So I mean, okay, fine, again, I sometimes any gets mad at me if I address Republicans, but how you doing? You feeling proud?

Are you tired of winning yet? Yeah. But when I would say this, I would say this, Jenk, I don't know if this kind of thing, and this is a great example of the sort of thing Jenks talking about, where he's making up facts is an example of him being imbalanced, as much as it is, how effective any narrative he throws out there with confidence and, and I take it, your other point, which is that even the Fox and Friends people are like, yeah, even though you're sitting with confidence, come on, Mr. President, we know it's not true.

But there is a part of his audience that just is taking in whatever he's saying. And so they also don't do the homework, is what I'm saying. So I don't know how much of it is, certainly. It's intellectual laziness and not knowing the facts. But I don't know how much of it is mental imbalance and how much of it is just, hey, I'm going to slam the hell out of this and there are a bunch of people who are going to believe it. Yeah, they're just going to believe there's a middle pushback.

I mean, can you imagine, Jank, like let's say in a couple of years, we're doing the show and Bernie's embroil, he's president, he's embroiled in a controversy, he might be impeached, and he calls up the young Turks and rants for 45 minutes straight. And we're just like glancing at each other like, what is he talking about? It's conspiracy theory is like, yeah, good job, Bernie, we still support. We would never have to do that, but they're perfectly, like they're a little bit uncomfortable. They're shifting in everything, but they're not going to not support him based on that. What a sad, low position they've been forced into.

So I remember when Bernie was on in 2016, and at one small window of time, and it happened to be when he was on the show, he was saying that the superdelegates should switch and vote for him. And that was, at that point, one of the few chances he had left, because it was really late in the process. And I said to him, now that's not really principled, is it? Because you had been saying the superdelegates shouldn't even count, right? And he's like, basically, I'm paraphrasing here, but he was like, that's true. Okay. So he was good enough to admit that.

But we challenge even progressives that we really like, right? Let alone if Bernie were to come on and say, you know, the young Turks that are based in Ukraine. Wait, we're based right here, right? No, of course we wouldn't let people lie like that. That's nuts. I mean, the best they could do on state TV was, are you sure? Yeah. So, I mean, look.

But their fans finished that segment believing that what Trump said was true. And that's my point. No, I got you guys, but I don't think there's a strategy as much as he's just pathological. He can't help himself. Well, actually, why don't we get to some more pathological lies? Because you mentioned, it's weird that he doesn't know Crowdstrike when that's a part of the theory that he's pushing. That's not the only thing in this process he's not very familiar with. Turns out some of the main people testifying, he doesn't really know them either.

First of all, Volker, I don't know him. Don't know him. This guy, Sondland, hardly know him. I've had a couple of conversations with him. I see him hanging around, you know, when I go to Europe. But he was really the European Union ambassador. And all of a sudden, he's working on this and, you know, ask about that. Oh, God, the body language. I know you couldn't, maybe you can put it back up, but Kilmead is, like, gripping his hand

awkwardly, and you can see his eyes are, like, going around in circles. Like, he's like, give a second, he starts to look up in, he's not looking at the camera. Yeah, yeah, he's so uncomfortable. Circles. Yeah, he doesn't know anyone. And this, who, this, it's foodie Giuliani? My lawyer, I don't know. I have a lot of lawyers.

I'm not really familiar with him. This guy, Mike Pence, is like a vice president? No, I'm president. That can't be right. Yeah, Al Roker was part of it. I don't know anything about it. It was a bizarre run through what was a, I was going to say, sort of surface take on everything. But what I love is always the last thing, which is, you know, once somebody who's his butt buddy, which is who's a sonlin, has his number.

They've exchanged a number of texts and personal conversations. As soon as he becomes part of the problem, barely know the guy, seen him a couple times, hanging around, you know. Yeah, hanging around. Okay, so first of all, we keep going past things that every other president would have been derided for, and they would have talked about for a year straight. So you don't know anyone in your administration? Yeah.

I mean, he just comes out and bragging about, like, my ambassador to the European Union, I barely know the guy. I've seen him hanging around, I don't know what he does. He's your ambassador to the European Union. It's kind of a relevant position, right? Volker, never met him, don't know anyone in my government. All I do is talk to Hannity and then tweet it out. So then on Somlin, we've gone over this a million times.

Somlin gave Trump a million dollars. Now if there's one thing Trump knows, it's people who give him a million dollars. So that was for his inauguration. It wasn't to his pocket, but, you know, and he's a fellow hotelier. And so he knows Sondland. And we know through witnesses who testified, he was on the phone with Sondland. And the witness said, he asked Sondland, hey, did the Ukrainians do the investigation? So the idea that he's like Sondland, you know that he knows folks, like Lev Parnas and

Igor Fruman, who were recently arrested, those are Rudy Giuliani's goons. and he's like, I might have had a picture with them. I barely know, I don't know them, but I might have had a picture with them. That means he knows them super well. And we found out later, yeah, he was having dinner with him. Okay, pathological. Yeah. So have at it, if that's your guy.

Yeah, now Trump does appear to know Marie Yovanovitch, but what he knows is not necessarily positive. He has a particular grudge with her, and it has to do with interior decorating. Let's listen. this ambassador that you know everybody says is so wonderful she wouldn't hang my picture in the embassy okay she's in charge of the embassy she wouldn't hang it it took like a year and a half or two years for her to get the picture up she said bad things about me she wouldn't defend me and i have the right to change it ambassador and rudy didn't say good things but he wasn't crazy about it you know he wasn't like a major topic but i have the right to change this was an

Obama person, wouldn't, didn't want to hang my picture in the embassy. It's standard as you put the president of the United States picture in an embassy. This was not an angel, this woman, okay? And there were a lot of things that she did that I didn't like. And we will talk about that at some time. But I just want to let you know, this was not a baby that we're dealing with. The way he uses baby and dog in his metaphors, I can never really follow. Quick note, him saying we'll talk about that at some point is always a clue that he will

never return to this topic again, ever. You'll never find out about it, though things will be coming out soon, never comes out. But anyway, yeah, he has a huge issue with her. To be fair, his investigators are still in Hawaii. They're gonna find that birth certificate. But yeah, so she wouldn't hang the picture. And here's the thing, my immediate knee-jerk thing to respond would be, yeah, that's a little bit weird. It's hardly a reason to dismiss an ambassador, even if you're a real.

allowed to, but I have a feeling that in a week, a small story will come out that no one will focus on that the picture is up from day one. And he was just told that it wasn't, and he's always focused on that, probably. Yeah, okay, what kind of a dictatorial move is it? Not an angel, didn't hang my picture. Literally the only damning evidence he had on an ambassador. Not an angel. Look, you're supposed to, I guess, hang the president's picture. Fine, no problem, okay? But if I was In a situation like that, the idea that I would get mad at someone because they didn't hang my picture. Would you?

Is that a, like, would you be like, oh, she's not a baby, she's not an angel, she wouldn't hang my picture? That's your best evidence against her? I mean, look, what planet are we on? I mean, can you imagine if Obama fired an ambassador for not hanging his picture? Now in this case, of course it's not true that that's why he actually fired him. He fired her because she was fighting corruption in Ukraine. But the fact that he thought it was a smart excuse to go on national TV and say, on the other hand, right?

And remember, of course, he is obsessed with his own pictures. That's why Trump charity was, he used proceeds from the charity to buy his own portrait two different times. He was cited for that and had to pay a giant fine, okay, because he's obsessed with his own picture because he also is clearly narcissistic. He has several deep psychological problems, but I want to get to the most relevant part, guys. So the guys are lunatic, we get it, right? But if you notice there, he said, Rudy, I talked to him, but he wasn't a major factor. Wait, why did he mention Rudy and why is he even talking about that? You know why?

Because one of the things that Rudy Giuliani is now being investigated about by Trump's Justice Department, by the way, is that he worked with Parneson Fruman. to get Yvanovitch fired and that they did that because a foreign government wanted them to do that. Yeah. Now that's partisan rumen have already been arrested and Giuliani might be arrested. So it's a huge deal if the real reason that Yvanovitch was fired is that Rudy, who is Trump's personal lawyer, is getting paid by a foreign government or a foreign actor to get

our ambassadors fired. That would be a massive scandal on top of all the other scandals, and we're in the middle of it. But he thinks he's dismissing and going, Rudy wasn't a big factor. You just admitted he was a factor, big or small. You admitted he talked to you, that you knew that Rudy wanted her fired. You just said it on national TV. He can't stop admitting crimes on TV.

Well, and the basic law of Trump opposites, which is that, of course, he did whatever he says he didn't do, and he didn't do whatever he says he did do. That applies here with Giuliani, right? And Giuliani had a big role. And just to put a button on the picture thing, that's how Giuliani, and it's a genius way to do it, got Trump so anti-Jovanovitch because he mentioned the picture thing. That is a way to light a fire under Trump. Because that says it all.

Stop right there. She's been fighting, putting my picture up in the embassy, get rid of her. She's an Obama holdover. And so on. So there's a lot going on there. And yes, I think all roads lead to Giuliani, and it is a huge scandal. I mean, it may be lost in all the other scandals, but it's a big one coming. Yeah, I think both Giuliani and Barr need to be tied more closer to this.

But we'll see if they actually have to testify. Yeah, the picture thing, I think from an outside perspective, seems really shallow and ridiculous, but it would be very effective against Trump. And for him to cite it on Fox News, I think for his audience, it will be very effective. Because like we've said many times, there's nothing more important than loyalty to the leader. And her not putting up that picture, it's all about symbols with the right. They love to say that they don't like it any politics and all that. But they love their symbols of loyalty to the strong man.

And so I think there's nothing worse she could have done than refused to put that picture up. But let me disagree with you guys a little bit about the big picture. Like, I know we always go back to his base holds, his base holds. And I've seen some new polling about head-to-head matchups with Democrats. And he's actually, and I have to confess, I thought he'd be way lower than he is right now in head-to-head matchups. And he's not, he's winning in some of the states. So I'll, you know, own up to that.

But let's see how it goes, but my sense of it now is this is a different level. I think he's slipped sliding away. I think that when they started challenging the military and being so enormously detached from what people can see with their own eyes on television, it's a different. Different thing, oh, somebody wrote a 400-page report, ain't nobody reading that report. So Trump can come out and say, oh, it was about how I wrote on a unicorn to save Mars. And they'd be like, of course it was, he said it, right? Sounds cool.

But when there's people on television going, okay, this is what happened, and all the Republicans come out and say the opposite, people start to go, look guys, and it's in the polling too. 70% believe he did do it on Ukraine. Yeah. And 51% think that we're also skating by, like, giant in numbers. Like, if any other president had a number that was 51% think he should be impeached and removed from office, like, everybody would be packing bags. It'd be over, right?

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The last thing I would say quickly on that, Jank, is that on this, they will try, I suspect to spin this as Rudy going rogue, and it is, and they'll try to keep the stink off of Trump on this. That would be the spin I would anticipate. Yeah, and according to a report, or actually a report, it was from him, so maybe he's lying, but Giuliani yesterday in Glenn Beck's show said he's still talking to Ukrainian politicians about getting this investigation going. That's right, he's still doing it.

Yeah, so anyway, we have two more videos that we really should get to. In this next one, he has a little bit to say about Adam Schiff and take a look at what he stops himself from saying. Well, there's only one person I want more than Where's Hunter? And that is Adam Schiff. I want to put that guy with his way. What's your first question for Adam Schiff? I almost said something that might have been slightly controversial. I didn't just say I'm learning.

See that, Steve, I'm learning. But after all these years, I finally learned. So they all start smiling and laughing when he says with Adam Schiff, I want to put that guy with his way and then he stops himself from saying that something that even he acknowledges would be what offensive or threatening or what does he mean by that? I want to put that guy by his way that makes them all awkwardly smile when he stops himself from continuing. Oh, I thought you guys had the answer. I couldn't decipher it. No, I literally, I literally didn't know what he meant. I would tell you if I knew.

To me, it sounds, it sounded threatening. I wanna put that guy, you know, I'm not gonna say it. Yeah, I wanna put that guy away. I wanna- Oh, I see, you think you put that guy away or so? Put that guy underground? I don't know, we're making, we don't, he stopped himself, so, you know, I guess kudos for the only restraint he's ever shown in his entire life. And no, no, Steve Deucey to say, I'm sorry, we're gonna have to stop, what exactly were

You're gonna do to Adam Schiff, one of the guys investigating you in this impeachment hearing? But no, we don't know. But he sounds, as many people have pointed out accurately, he sounds like a mob boss. The guy I wanna get even more is Adam Schiff, I'll tell you what I wanna do to him, oh, we're on TV. Yeah. I'm not gonna say it, but you know what I'm saying, right? Like, you're the president?

Yeah. Okay. Okay, so there's one last video. This does not have to do with the impeachment hearing, but it's just an idea of when he gets going, it's very much like his rallies. He goes from topic to topic. He says crazy things. Here's an example.

Things, you know, you can break through. We have the wall is electrified so that if anyone touches it, we know exactly what's happening. We can get there within minutes. Now, we built that. We're building a fantastic wall and without the wall now. That was the best. In the middle of the clip, I swear to God, I turned it down and was like, is it electrified? It's not electrified.

Kill me did the same thing you did. You electrified the wall? You electrified it and do see one point says, sure. It's not electric. Because they know they're talking to a crazy person. What is he talking about? The whole thing, if you press it, it contacts the hive mind and they know where you are. Is that a weird way of saying that there's drones or there's surveillance or there's cameras?

Is he speaking metaphorically? Is he becoming a poet? I don't know what that means. John, the hive mind is in Ukraine. They won't let the FBI get it. And if I ever get my hands on them or Adam Schiff, wait, I'm not going to say it. I don't know what that is. Anyway, there's other stuff for it.

That's enough. You can't take anymore. Well, you got to give him credit. He is electric. You electrified the wall? You got to get in forward. You electrified the wall? Oh, my God.

Look at how much we're laughing at the president of the United States. How unbelievably mortifyingly embarrassing. And to me, what will always be more embarrassing. And later people will pretend that they didn't support Trump. But that 30% of this country would get all the way up to 45, we never really got much past 45. But I'll forgive the 15% that we're like, I don't know, there's a good economy and I never pay attention to the news, right?

But 30% of the country thought that this madman was a great leader. Yeah. Later they'll deny it when he's in a mental institution. But the guy, we can all see it, we're seeing it right now as it's happening. You can come back to this video, as apparently people like to do, and see, no, no, they knew at the time. They clearly knew at the time the guy had completely lost his mind. Yeah. First break?

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That is? I barely remember at this point. Check that out, yes. Trump also is the right to remain silent. Maybe he should make use of that more often. Good point. Peter Jill says Trump thinks that the truth is what he thinks is true, that's all there is. I think that that's probably right.

Gabby Marita says, what really saddens me is that there will probably be schools named after Trump. There are elementary schools named after Richard Nixon, so I wouldn't put it past someplace in the South to name one after this thin skin man baby. That would be the most ironic school ever. In the school, would they only have to show pictures? You don't have to read past the page. You only have to- No assigned reading? Yeah.

No books at all. Yeah. But in every essay has to be 280 characters. Not any longer. Anyways, Seize the meme says, Jesus Trump was phone yelling so loudly in the FoxxFriends and everyone that I had to turn down the volume on my phone. Of course. And he continued.

And he continued, of course, AIDS could hear him through Sondland's phone. Yeah, so that's a good point. Nick is America's fastest hippie writes in on Twitter. Young Turks started watching a show on Pluto while I was in the hospital on my phone, going to become a member. Oh, that's awesome. Thank you. TYT.com slash join, Homo Progressives. And you'll get access to that special Thanksgiving morning content. That's exactly right.

And John's show Damage Report. Exactly. Okay, real quick, YouTube super chats, the sick rose says, I'm burning up. We're gonna get to Bernie in a second. Dramatic news there, very good news. Charcoal Knee writes in, I was so happy to hear Bernie say what happened in Bolivia was a coup. USA needs to address this pass and ensure that it will no longer interfere. By the way, if you haven't seen Ryan Grimm's hard-hitting interviews in the spin room, showing me up, doing better journalism than I do.

Okay, anyway, check that out. I hear he didn't put your picture up. Could you imagine? Grim, I don't know about him. He wouldn't put my portrait up and they're showing me up by doing better reporting. Anyway, t.t.com slash join because remember you can get it. You could also probably see those interviews on YouTube. And last one, Adriana Castle say, hey Turks, who do you think would be a good VP pick

for Bernie? I'm thinking Roe-Connor. Oh, interesting. I don't think it would be Roe-Connor. I like Ro, but I don't think it would be Roe kind of. I have thoughts, but I'll say that for later. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people say Nina Turner, I think that that's a pretty good idea. Uh-huh, yeah.

Yeah, I love Nina Turner, yes. Okay. All right. Why don't we jump into some good news, you know, profile, some legislation that could actually help people out. Representative Ilhan Omar has released details of her new green housing plan. Here she is announcing some of her approach. One of the first things I noticed when I came to the United States were people sleeping on the side. of the streets and I have been on a mission ever since to make sure that there are no

humans left in that situation. Today I'm excited to introduce the Homes for All Act which will fulfill the promise of a homes guarantee by building 12 million new public housing and private permanently affordable rental units fastly expanding the available affordable housing stock, driving down costs throughout the market, and creating a new vision of what public housing looks like in the United States of America. We will prohibit any discrimination against residents based on sexual orientation, gender, and criminal history, or immigration status. The bill also creates a new anti-displacement fund with HUD.

in order to protect families from genderification, prevent displacement, and stabilize neighborhoods. And it makes public housing a mandatory part of our budget, like Social Security and Medicare. All of this will be built to the highest environmental standards, making this a key part of the Green New Deal. And I'm glad that she focused on that. This is considered to be a public housing component of the Green New Deal. Residences, real estate does contribute quite a bit to our overall warming.

So I wanna talk about the scope of the problem. There are now more U.S. households that rent than at any point since 1965. So obviously part of the problem is housing costs too much. And so, and it's not just in the big cities, in rural areas as well, there's now a growing homelessness problem is South Dakota. So we desperately need more housing in this country, and she's trying to do it in a way that is both ambitious, but also realistic and environmentally conscious. So it hits a lot of birds with one stone.

But this is the stat that really stunned me. A renter working 40 hours a week and earning the federal minimum wage can afford a two-bedroom apartment in how many counties across the nation. So you're getting the federal minimum wage, just a two bedroom apartment, I mean, you're not going to be able to get it in New York or San Francisco, that's obvious, right? So how many counties can you get a two bedroom apartment in that situation, working 40 hours of week? Zero, not a single county in the country.

The federal minimum wage is $7.25. It's a little over $15,000 a year. You cannot afford a two bedroom apartment anywhere in the country. That's amazing. So what progressives are doing, and I love that they're going in this direction, is pointing out the real problems of Americans in trying to fix them. That is what your representatives are supposed to do. So meanwhile, the Republicans are like, I don't know, another tax cut for the rich?

I'm not kidding, Donald Trump, in one of his last-ditch proposals kept talking before the impeachment began, he's like, another tax cut for the rich. And that tax cut that he was contemplating would have actually given a higher percentage. percentage of the money to the rich than even the last $2 trillion tax cut. Yeah. Unbelievable. Whereas this actually helps real people. So the only thing that they ever have in these scenarios is they're like, oh, I don't know.

How we're gonna pay for that? How are we taxes for the rich? No problem. Can't pay for it any time. Oh, you wanna help real Americans and create 12 million homes? How are we gonna pay for that? So that's all they got. So this would actually help real Americans.

No, that's a great point. The last thing you said is also so true, which is all they got is the tax cut. for the rich, and it'll trickle down to those people who need housing and all the other things that are now becoming so elusive in America. This is, look, this Green New Deal, I get into these tug of wars with people over all the time, but I just think it's full of goals and ideals that have to be reflected in the future, otherwise there is no future. I love everything that's wrapped in this, including the environmental side.

So it really should be pointed out one other part of the bill. It repeals a Faircloth amendment was passed at 1999. If we were wondering what that is, don't worry, not a lot of people know about it. What it did was it stopped funding public housing. So they cut off of funding of building new housing, but on top of that, they severely limited what we could spend to upkeep that housing. So now those, all that public housing has been in great decline, because we can't spend any money to just do simple repairs and do upkeep, etc.

And then the Republicans turn around and go, look at public housing. You see, it's in decrepit shape. That's because you cut off the funding. So this would restore that so that it would give the current public funding a fair chance to make situations there a lot more livable. And again, since it helps poorer Americans, the Republicans have no interest in it at all. But by the way, it's not just Republicans, as Huff Post points out, centrist Democrats, of course, also opposed to this plan.

Because it wouldn't help their donors at all. These people in public housing don't donate to them ever. So they're like, why would we support that? Yeah. I also think that Jenks' point about the public housing situation and losing funding is an important one for the general thing they do. I mean, you really find it a lot. They defund federal programs and then point to what?

of failure they are. This is a real move that you find on the right and among the GOP. And as Jenks says, even frankly under some moderate Democrat leadership, that can lead to the privatization and even the elimination of a lot of federal programs. And I just wanna say one final thing, and it's, I wanna focus on the first thing that Representative Omar said in that video. We've grown accustomed to so much in this country and compared to the experience of people to live in places like Norway and other parts of Europe.

She grew up in Somalia, it's a war-torn region, they had to go to refugee camps, and then finally they get the chance to emigrate to the U.S., and the first thing she noticed is a child who's been through all of that hell is there's a lot of people sleeping on the side of the streets in America, the richest country in the history of the world. Yeah, I thought it was powerful. I mean, the sense I got was she was basically saying America gave me a home. And now it's my turn to return the favor. And that's super powerful.

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In the meantime, enjoy this. free second. All right, back on TYT. Time for just two comments. This was fun. Jay Rocks writes in, hey, Mark Thompson. I walked into a room and swear I heard you on TV. So I hit Rewind.

And there you were, buddy, in day after tomorrow as news report on climate change. So cool. Yes, that's right. I didn't know that. Yes. Some of my best work. Thank you very much. But I love that.

That's cool. TYT viewers can recognize your voice. voice alone, they're like, that's Mark Thompson. Rewind. Okay. That's awesome. That's awesome. And then Danny asked a tantalizing question.

Who should be Senate leader and House Speaker in 2020 if Bernie was? Drum. So I don't know that he gets to decide that, but it's an interesting question for another time. Yeah, yeah. All the conversation I hear online is what will Speaker Pelosi do under the next president? I thought, wait, why is it a foregone conclusion that she would continue to be the speaker? It just is, I guess, but why would that be, it seems a little weird? It's democracy, you can have an election.

Anyway, let's move on our next story. Listen to what Sasha Baron Cohen had to say about some of the negative impacts of social media and the way dishonest political actors have been using it. Today, around the world, demagogues appeal to our worst instincts. Conspiracy theories once confined to the fringe are going mainstream. It's as if the age of reason, the era of evidential argument is ending, and now knowledge is increasingly delegitimized and scientific consensus is dismissed. Democracy, which depends on shared truths, is in retreat,

and autocracy, which depends on shared lies, is on the march. Hate crimes are surging as on murderous attacks and religious and ethnic minorities. Now, what do all these dangerous trends have in common? I'm just a comedian and an actor. I'm not a scholar, but one thing is pretty clear to me. All this hate and violence is being facilitated by a handful of internet companies that amount to the greatest propaganda machine in history. I mean, going in, like I've liked his work for a long time, but going into that speech,

which I watched this entirety, and you totally should. We've got a little bit more. I was very impressed with his analysis of the intersection of a number of different problems. And he's very much right there. In a little bit, we're gonna show you he goes directly after Mark Zuckerberg, but you already have a basic idea of what he thinks about Facebook, Twitter, and all of that. Okay, first of all, I gotta say, respect. He seems to really understand technology.

Okay, old school allergy references, but anyways, no, I love the guy, love him. Not only is he super smart, which if you've ever seen him speak on this issue or any other issue you would know, but also deeply compassionate. He gave a million dollars to make sure that refugees were taking care of, Muslim refugees were taking care of. And so the speech here is speaking at an event called Never Is Now for the Anti-Defamation League. So this guy is phenomenal. Now, his indictment of those platforms is a really interesting conversation.

We'll get into it a little bit. But so far, unquestionably interesting, brilliant analysis that is worthy of serious debate. Yeah. Yeah, we can say more as we get into it. But clearly he's identified the problem, like this juncture in this conversation, he's identified what is clearly correct, which is that there's a tremendous amount of propaganda being generated on these platforms. Yeah, and like I said, he goes directly after Mark Zuckerberg,

so why don't we turn to that now? Let's think about it. Facebook, YouTube, and Google, Twitter, and others. They reach billions of people. The algorithms, these platforms depend on, deliberately amplify the type of content that keeps users engaged, stories that appeal to our baser instincts,

and that trigger outrage and fear. It's why YouTube recommended, videos by the conspiracist Alex Jones billions of times. It's why fake news outperforms real news, because studies show that lies spread faster than truth. And it's no surprise that the greatest propaganda machine in history has spread the oldest conspiracy theory in history, the lie that Jews are somehow dangerous. And he returns to that topic several times.

We'll get to the Zuckerberg in just a minute. But again, just very consistently good analysis. So off the air before we got to that story, we happened to be talking about that same thing. And I literally called it the oldest conspiracy theory during the break. Because Glenn Beck had done a segment where he had George Soros and he literally called him puppet master and had him pulling the strings. Oldest stereotype in world history, right? So deeply, deeply anti-Semitic.

And so that stuff is being spread around. And so, and- That was yesterday, by the way, that wasn't, I mean, not that it would be okay in 2007 or something, but that wasn't like back in his heyday, he's still doing that. That was the program where the president's personal lawyer joined him. That's unbelievable, unbelievable, okay, so I can't believe that anybody would work there. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. So now, in terms of their responsibility, well, that's- That's so interesting because it's he, I'm afraid that if you just watch that part, you'll,

it makes it seem like Facebook and Google, et cetera, favor lies or favor conspiracy theories. No, what they're doing, and I'm trying to be fair, and by the way, I have a conflict I should tell you guys about, YouTube, Facebook are our biggest partners, okay? So I want to be clear about that, but what they're doing is they're serving up what people want. Whatever they watch longer and what they're more attracted to. So in a sense, there are real problems with the algorithm. Remez Siernavason, who's on the show all the time, talks about it.

He wrote a book called Beyond the Valley and that there's some of the cultural assumptions of the people who create the algorithm that affects culture throughout the world. It's a really interesting critique of those platforms. On the other hand, what the algorithm is basically doing is serving as a mirror. and saying, here, I'll give you what you like. And so part of the problem is humanity, and I think we have to be cognizant of that. It's not like, I don't want people to get the wrong impression. In my opinion, there aren't people at Facebook and Google going like, let's put something

really evil in here. They're not like Glenn Beck, where they're like, okay, put in a thing in the algorithm if they find it, they'll know that the Jews are the puppet master, right? No, there's no plan like that. It's just that the algorithm rewards what people are passionate about. And sometimes that's fantastic and sometimes it's terrible. But the algorithm does take you to some of the most toxic stuff out there. And he does go on.

I watch the entire thing as well. I really recommend it, as John says, it's really worth watch, not long. He explains that. He explains that the way it's set up, even if it's just raw algorithmic laboratory stuff, it takes you to some of the most toxic philosophies that are on any platform. Yeah, and I guess I agree with you that I don't think that they've purposefully put something evil into the algorithm, but like, so Dr. Frankenstein didn't set out to create a monster, but when he realized it was a monster, he had to do something about it.

They know that they've created a monster, and they're saying, it's not on us, free speech or something. I don't know, I'm not going to do anything. Yes, I've created something evil, but it doesn't bother me. And while it doesn't bother me and while I'm just going to stand back, I'm breaking in money based on my inaction for dealing with what I created. It's a, it's at best case, best, best case scenario, it is amoral and they're profiting off of something horrendous continuing.

Wait, profiting off of something that's amoral. I believe that you just described all corporations. They don't have any morality. Yeah, but I would argue that because they're far bigger than most corporations, because they reach more people, it's even worse when they do it. No, I understand that, but guys, what I'm afraid of is if you take that argument to its logical extreme, all you're gonna do is go back to the establishment media. So you're gonna put in so many guardrails that we're gonna go back to the era of acceptable

thought. That is the danger, that is absolutely the danger without question. Even I found myself, because I think you've got to rein this beast in. But even I started thinking, as Jankas just pointed out, which is okay, you start raining it in, where are you gonna end up? And he makes an effective argument, they really need to do something, Jack. They have so much money. It seems as though it's not a lot to ask for some of those resources to be directed to raining

and some of this toxic beast. Well, maybe he gets into that in the next clip. Let's go to the portion where it focuses a little bit more on Facebook. Zuckerberg tried to portray this whole issue as choices around free expression. That is ludicrous. This is not about limiting anyone's free speech. This is about giving people, including some of the most reprehensible people on Earth, the biggest platform in history to reach a third of the planet.

Freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. Mark Zuckerberg seemed to equate regulation of companies like his to the actions of the most repressive societies. Incredible. This, from one of the six people, who decide what information so much of the world sees. Zuckerberg at Facebook, Sundar Pichai at Google, at its parent company, alphabet, Larry Page and Sergey Brin,

Brin's ex-sister-in-law, Susan Wajiski at YouTube, and Jack Dorsey at Twitter. The Silicon Six. All billionaires, all Americans, who care more about boosting their share price than about protecting democracy. This is ideological imperialism. Six unelected individuals in Silicon Valley

imposing their vision on the rest of the world, unaccountable to any government and acting like they're above the reach of law. It's like we're living in the Roman Empire and Mark Zuckerberg is Caesar. At least that would explain his hair cut. That's good line. So look, now he is laying out the problem.

We might disagree on exactly how you should deal with it, but I think that most of us can agree that what they're currently doing is, I think it's fair to say self-serving, and it's minimal. They're not doing much. I mean, where do you draw the line? I don't know, you've got billions of dollars. Maybe you can experiment a little bit. I would start at the very least by actually enforcing the rules that you have, which they don't do, or they change them when they're called out.

This whole thing about allowing politicians to lie in ads, originally they had restrictions on that. And when people including Judlegum showed that, no, you're allowing Trump to lie over and over, they just got rid of the standards altogether. They say that you can't have sort of bot networks of Facebook pages promoting all of your content automatically. Daily Wire is doing that right now. They've got 14 massive pages with huge reach. The only content they put out is spreading the content of Daily Wire. It's explicitly against the rules as they stand right now. That was pointed out to them. They don't do anything because they don't want to offend the right wing. And then they lie about it. Zuckerberg, it was revealed, had a meeting last month with

Donald Trump, I believe Peter Thiel, but definitely Donald Trump. And that's during this time where we're talking about his approach to Trump's advertising. Did he reveal that, that he was having secretive meetings with Donald Trump? No. And he's profiting mightily while this is going on. So people are going to misinterpret me saying, on the other hand, as me not agreeing with Sasha Baron Cohen. That's not the case. Normally on talk shows, and I do this very, very often, strong opinions, I'm positive about certain things, right?

On this one, I'm really not sure. I think it's a very difficult problem. But I will say, I think that the larger issues, I think we're kind of missing, or we've got the wrong focus. The larger issues are that corporations have now become the new nation state. So they're unaccountable to almost all the governments. They've captured the United States government completely through campaign donations, and they've captured many other governments.

So that's why they're all unaccountable. We're just seeing the ramifications of Facebook and Google, et cetera, more because they're more part of our lives. We almost never interact with ExxonMobil. We almost never interact with the other giant companies that have taken control of our government. And we have no rules to rein in corporations. We only wrote one line of code for them, maximize profit. That's the core of the problem.

It's just that when you take it into social media, it creates these other ailments that we can see with our own eyes. So I wish we would go and tackle that problem because I think it would fix a lot of other issues first, and then that would also affect Facebook, Google, et cetera. And I also don't want to get into the demonization. And here, again, I'll admit it bias, I at least know Susan from YouTube, she's no, look, it's my best guess, and you can say, hey, you know her, so you know her. you're full of crap or whatever it is, right?

Perfectly lovely person, there's no crazy hidden agenda of like, I will control the world. And I'll put, and I'll drive people to the, you know, to the wrong places for wrong purposes. No, look, Facebook is, it appears on the surface to be incredibly right wing, right? But I don't see that at the other companies. It's much harder to discern. Twitter's got some problems with- Yeah, I hear you, it's just harder to discern, we don't really know, right? And so, and I've never sensed that in there, in my interactions, again, I might be biased

because we have a relationship. On the other hand, if I thought there was a bias, I'd be the first guy yelling about it, right? And you all know that. And so I think, and they're in a very difficult spot. So the minute, and so that least the second larger problem, which is there's, we have an imbalance in this country where one party lies all the time, but even the mainstream media, I mean, You want to criticize Facebook and Google, I hear you, and it's a really fair debate.

But how about the New York Times and Washington Post that takes Republican lies and equates them to things that are true? I can't tell. Republicans say this, Democrats say that. Now on Trump, they've been better. But during the Iraq war, during the Bush era, during the enhanced interrogations, during Mitch McConnell's reign throughout all this time. I can't tell who's doing the obstruction. It's 50-50. I'm neutral, right?

Well, then you equated lies to the truth, and that is terribly damaging. So there are larger issues at hand that I think are bigger cancers. That doesn't mean they don't affect Facebook and Google, they do, and it doesn't mean that those companies aren't also contributing in other ways to the problems. But I don't think the answer is simple, and I think if we just say, like, okay, rein people in, who and how. It's really hard. That's my sense of it.

No, even discerning the lies. hard because most of the lies, or certainly a bulk of the lies, exist in a gray area. So it is, it is hard. I guess all I was saying before is, and I think all that Sasha Baron Cohen is saying, it sounds like John's saying of flavor of it as well, is devote some resources to it and try to solve that riddle. It is going to be hard, and you may make a mistake, but try to solve it. The other thing I would say is, Jack is 100% right about something.

We notice this, but the media mergers and the corporatocracy merger mania that occurred a late 20th century and early this century, that has created a handful of beasts. So if you're going to tackle these guys, you also have to go after the other corporate beasts. And I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah, and last thing is, look, even if I disagree with parts of what Sasha Baron Cohen saying, I deeply respect them for bringing up this really important issue that we should all have a national and even international conversation about and come to some sort of conclusion. Because right now, yes, there are things that go bump in the night, certainly on the internet,

and we're all throwing our hands up and going, I guess there's nothing that could be done about it. Maybe that is the answer, but maybe it's not. And we shall make a concerted effort to figure out what can be done. Yeah. But definitely go watch the whole thing. Yes. Okay, all right, we're gonna do one story really quick, okay, the Bernie. story. Okay, that should be quick. Fifteen minutes and we're out. No. Okay. If you haven't been

watching the Democratic primary polling, you might not have noticed yet, but you might soon that we've had a bit of a shifting in the order. We know that Joe Biden still at a comfortable first. For several months now, Elizabeth Warren's been in second, but here comes Bernie. On Friday, Sanders retook the second spot with an average of 19.3 percent compared to Warren's 18.5 And if you wanna look at this over time, this is the real clear politics, polling average. There's lots of lines, it's very confusing. But on the right, you see Biden is in green, Bernie is in blue, Warren is in brown, and you have to go back to, it looks like September for when there'd been a period of months of Sanders

and Warren sort of neck and neck in the polling, then she jumped up, narrowly catching Biden, and now Bernie has, after that couple of months, he has retaken second second place. So I see a couple of really clear trends there. And then I'll get to even better news for Bernie. Look, you could all see it with your own eyes. It's not just a Warren and Sanders trend. To be fair to Joe Biden, he's still shockingly high in the national polls.

In fact, even as Bernie is now caught and passed Elizabeth Warren is in second place, Biden still has a 10.5 point lead on him. And now there's also dichotomy that you really got to focus on, which is, you know, those are the national polls, but we don't vote nationally in the primaries. We vote state by state. And people do gain momentum when they win states. That's an indisputable fact of American politics. And right now, to be fair, Buttigieg is peaking in Iowa, New Hampshire.

Those are the first two states. And in the last set of polls, he is pretty much a clear number one in Iowa and New Hampshire. So that is an amazing and fascinating development. So for all of Warren and Sanders consistently being in the top three, and you can see it in that line. You know, people are constantly talking about Klobuchar and Kamala Harris, et cetera, et cetera. But the reality is those top three have been in the top three way above the others for a long, long time.

And if you watch cable news, you might not get that sense at all. I mean, there's, Bernie's been dismissed a hundred times over and there's all this talk about a Klobuchar run. I don't know about all this talk, but there's all these establishment candidates that have gotten a lot of airtime that their polling did not merit. So that's also clear. But what you can't see in that poll be, that graph, because it's just a national poll, is Buttigieg's rise.

He's now in purple and you see a little bit of a rise in the national numbers and also very important. He's clearly passed Kamala Harris, she's on our way down. He's on his way up. And the other thing that's obvious is everybody else is done. I mean, they're not gonna, all of a sudden, jump and catch the top three. Yeah, who comes? Booker. Well, I don't know about that.

But so whether we agree or disagree with these different politicians, Biden is still a force to be reckoned with nationally, and in places like South Carolina, where he has a huge lead. And now, by the way, another thing I was wrong about, I thought once Biden lost the lead, he'd never regain it. But he did, for a brief period, lose it to warrant, and he did regain it. In fact, in Nevada, Bernie took the lead, and Biden regained that lead. So this is a fascinating race, a completely unpredictable race. The establishment thought Bernie was out was totally wrong.

But to be fair, when I thought Biden would be a goner, he hasn't been. So I've been wrong about that. So it is amazing. Okay, now having said all that, the last poll out, Emerson. Bernie now tied for number one, okay? So it's just one poll, what you just saw on the graph is a combination of polls. But Bernie now in the last one, tied with Biden at 27, the two clear leaders, leaders nationally. And I'll add my anecdotal sense of it, that has been at times right, is that wherever

I go in the country, it feels like there's a progressive surge for Bernie. So most noticeably, I talked about recently the California Democratic Convention. That convention when I went two years ago was about 25% progressive, 75% establishment. It was like, oh look, the progressives are here, right? Just two years later, wall to wall to wall, Bernie. So the closer we get to the election, the more it feels like progressives are coming back home to Bernie. So interesting development.

So it's fair to say, hey, be fair to Buttigieg. He is, and don't underestimate him, he's doing really well in New Hampshire and Iowa, and that can give him a huge boost up. And he was smart strategically to focus on Iowa and to get that lead there. He spent all of his money on those two states. It's a smart thing to do, unlike Rudy Giuliani, back when he was running a long time ago, he's like, I'm going to castrate on, I gave him the Trump hands, on Florida, which was at the time, like, voted fifth. By the time they got to Florida, he was already gone. Okay, so Buttigieg's played is smart. Biden has shown resiliency, but at the end of the day, given these polls, it is true.

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