The Young Turks - TYT Hour 1 - November 4th, 2019

Episode Date: November 5, 2019

Trump is telling White House officials to ignore subpoenas and refuse to testify before Congress. Ana Kasparian, Alonzo Bodden, and Brian Karem, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What's up, everyone? The Young Turks, I'm your host, Anna Kasparian. Jank is out until Wednesday actually, but we have an awesome panel for both hours of the show. Here with me is Brian Kerem, Karam. You just told me how to pronounce it correctly, and I mispronounced it anyway. Close enough for government work. Karam, so Brian is the senior White House reporter for Playboy, and also you have a podcast. Just ask the question.

Just ask the question. Yes, all right. Just ask it. Thank you for joining us, and we have Alonzo Bowden. They're all familiar with him. He's been on several times before. I'm excited for this hour, because later we're gonna talk about how Seth Myers is going to provide an option to skip the Trump jokes in his latest Netflix special.

So I wanna get your thoughts on that and just the state of comedy. That's always fun to talk about- I'm here for you. All right, but before we get to all that, we do have one quick announcement to make. So as you know, we usually have a revolution rally in addition to specials. debate coverage. So we're having our next TYT rally in Atlanta, Georgia on November 20th. If you're interested in going, you can always check out the details at TYT.com slash rally. We will have Clarks, Clarkston Mayor and candidate for Senate, Ted Terry.

He will be speaking there. And you might know him from a conversation he had on the conversation with Jenks. So please check that out. And I'm looking forward to it. So as always, we'll do our special debate coverage in addition to the Revolution Rally. Again, go to t.com slash rally for more information. All right, let's get to the news. Impeachment stuff.

Oh, that. Never ending, but this is- Wait, but that's news. I know, right? All right, well, White House officials have decided to defy congressional subpoenas and were supposed to appear before congressional committees today. to essentially give their depositions. But the Justice Department under the Trump administration has advised these individuals to

avoid appearing and responding to the subpoenas. To give you some more details, John Eisenberg, the top lawyer at the National Security Council, was directed by Trump and the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to stay away from his scheduled closed door deposition. And that's according to a statement that was made public by Eisenberg's lawyer. Under these circumstances, Mr. Eisenberg has no other option that is consistent with his legal and ethical obligations except to follow the direction of his client and employer, the president of the United States.

Accordingly, Mr. Eisenberg will not be appearing for a deposition at this time. Now keep in mind, there's been several Trump administration officials who have given depositions, who have testified in these closed door hearings. However, some of these Trump administration officials have decided to take the advice of Donald Trump and the Justice Department and avoid appearing. I like the use of the word ethical when they say that they are not going to show up. I think the ethics would determine that you would show up because it's obstruction of justice if you don't.

Right. And when is someone going to just go after these people, find them in contempt of Congress, slap the cuffs on them and drag them in? Do you think, I mean, do you think Democrats have it in them to do this? It's a good question. I've often heard it said that the only thing worse than a Republican is a Democrat. They have some good ideas of holding them to justice. We'll have to see what happens.

I think Nancy Pelosi has been very smart so far in the way she's advanced impeachment. And I think the public hearings are where you're going to really find out if anyone has anything. And at that point in time, I think some of these people will be compelled to come forward. And I think the telling of the, the telling of the tape will be this week if John Bolton testifies. He could be, he could end up being, you know, the John Dean of this whole thing. Well, the interesting and actually the funny thing about this administration is. There's something funny?

Yeah. Well, not only does everyone in this administration have a lawyer, but now they're lawyers. They have lawyers. Right. I mean, that has to be unprecedented where everyone who works at the White House has a lawyer. Watergate was kind of like that too. Yeah, once it got there, but not from the very start. Yeah, that's right.

You take the oath of office, here's my lawyer, and here's his attorney. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, and that obviously, where there's smoke, there's fire, right? So if everyone is lawyering up, and then the lawyers are lawyering up, and they're like, we're not going to go in that room, we're not going to talk. And the other thing is this strategy of, okay, we're going to make it about the procedure And try to get you to stop looking at the phone call. Stop looking at the substance of the impeachment.

Let's just get stuck into the procedure to try to discount the treason or whatever, I mean, whatever ultimately legal term is. Obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice. But I'm talking about further. I'm talking about the making a deal with a foreign government against a U.S. presidential candidate. That would be an abuse of power.

I don't think it would be a criminal. I think it's going to be a violation of his oath of office. Everyone treats it like it's a criminal proceeding. But, you know, the quid pro quo, that's for a criminal trial. This is just the abuse of office. Strictly speaking, the Democrats could say, look, quit pro quo didn't mean anything. What matters is the fact that you tried to make a deal with a foreign government and to, you know, and I'm not going to curse and then do something bad to your own government.

Right. Yeah, well, that, and I respect that, and I defer to you on that because you. You work at the White House and you understand the legal part of this. I don't know about that anymore, but I'm just talking about to the person on the street, right? The person on the street is like, what? The president's making a deal with another country against an American citizen? It's wrong.

Right. You're right that they're focusing on the process, even though the Democrats have conducted this investigation lawfully, they haven't done anything out of the ordinary. In fact, when it comes to the closed door hearings, as we talked about on the show before, what The way for these closed door hearings was what John Boehner pushed for and accomplished back in 2015 when they were conducting investigations into Hillary Clinton and the whole Benghazi mess. And so this is their own doing and they know they can't attack the substance because the substance

is damning. I mean, you have various members of Trump's administration coming forward testifying in these closed door hearings. We have their statements, Bill Taylor's statement, Lieutenant Colonel Vidman's statement. President Trump statement. President's Trump statement. He was standing five feet away from me. No, no, it was a very good phone call.

It was the best phone call ever. Well, he's five feet away from me on the South Lawn taking questions and says, yeah, China, go ahead and do it. That's right. So, I mean, he fessed up to it in front of me. And then I was told later that I didn't hear what I know I heard. Exactly. But the closed door hearings, to your point, haven't been closed door.

The Democrat, there'd have been 50 Republicans in there. Right. Then you got that frat boy fascist, you know, Matt Gates, you know, storm in the Bastille reminded me of a scene out of Animal House. You know, see if you can guess what I am now. I'm gonna sit, get it? I mean, that was his whole deal. Him and his troops go crashing in there and they were already allowed to be there.

And finally, to the, the big point is, when you talk about attacking the process, it's an old lawyer's trick. Yeah. If you have the law in your favor, argue the law. If you have the facts in your favor, argue the facts. When you can't argue the law and you can't argue the facts, pound your fists on the table and act like your is it. You know, that's, I mean, that's exactly what they're doing.

That's where the press, and this is where the press gets it. When they say that this is divided along party lines and so it's like, no, it's not party line. It's like right and wrong. It's like cover up versus truth. It's not party lines, right. Versus fiction. Versus, that's what it is.

So again, this muddies the water, right? It muddies the coverage of this because people are, because this is what the Republicans love when, and their base loves when you say, well, it's just Democrats attacking, it's just a witch hunt. And it's like, no, it's not that, but I think the media needs to get more into clarifying, like, no, this isn't just party lines. This is what's being done and this, and like you said, this is what you said, this is what what's being said behind these closed doors and so on.

Well, you're right. And we don't, the problem with the press isn't that, you know, we're not. The problem, honestly with the press is sometimes I just don't think people are listening. I think they have picked their side. Look, we could always do our job better. Let me just say, no, but there's this, there is this obsession in the press with being objective, right? And I think, as we've talked about before on the show. Well, objectively, he's lying.

Well, yeah, he's lying. I mean, I'm as objective as I can be there, he's lying. In an effort to be objective though, I feel like various media organizations have invited bad, like dishonest actors to come on and defend Donald Trump. Well, I can't disagree with you there. And unfortunately, look, I'm gonna keep it real. Pundits on the left are just not as good at fighting back against the lies that they tell in real time, right?

So they'll have like some sheepish, you know, democratic strategy. or whoever trying to give the Democrats' point of view, and then you have some guy steamrolling in favor of Trump, and it's really frustrating. Like, drawing these false equivalencies drives me nuts, and I think that it's really helping the Trump administration. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, part of the problem there is that there's things that you have to understand.

The reporters are there to ask the questions and to provide the information. What I think you're talking about is not the news. but the panel shows, which I'm on. And I understand, you know, it makes good TV, but we need to, in some cases, perhaps vet these people a little bit better. And that's, and it becomes, it does become, you know, a bit of a show, you know, this is a show, this is, you know, the news is, look, I asked the question, this was the answer, here's the truth.

And we do fact check him in real time often, and I've asked him to his face, why do you continue to lie to the American people. Right. And I get, you know, the finger pointed at me, the stink face and, you know, he goes nuts. But there's not a whole lot you can do about that except perhaps vet some of the guests. There's, I mean, I talked to Kellyanne Conway and I, I, honestly, I, I, I, I, yeah. Good to be commended, but you said something, you used a word that they refused to use, lie. He lied.

And they're like, well, we can't say that. Yeah, we can't. But you do. No, what I'm saying is you do, but so many, to your point, Anna, so many of them won't say that. And they, these panels like you were talking about, like, it's cast that way, like, that's why they're not inviting you. Well, to Cuomo's credit, he does invite me.

He does. And the last time I was on, there was some Trump advisor. Chris is a good friend of mine, I like him. Chris is great, no, he's great because even though I don't agree with him on some policies or even candidates in the Democratic election, a primary election. I do like the fact that he gives a progressive like me an opportunity to go up against some of these Trump advisors. The last time I was on, there was a Trump advisor who was just completely lying about the legality

of the process, of the immigration, immigration, sorry, impeachment process. And so, yeah. Oh, don't worry, they lie about immigration too. Well, of course they do. We have a story on that later. You don't have to, like, you can end the sentence with they lie, period, that's it. Right. If somebody from this administration tells me the sky is blue, I'm checking.

Because it's, I have never met, I have, look, I've been covering presidents since Reagan. I've been spun, I have, I've been told it's none of my business, but I've never been routinely lied to on such a daily basis. It's just frustrating, and it has nothing to do with politics. And as far as progressives go, look, I'll pick on them as much as I'll be, and I get upset with reporters who say, well, you know, look, I don't vote because, you know, I want to be able to be fair. No, I vote.

Yeah. And guess what? It's a secret ballot. You're never going to, and you may not even be able to guess who I would vote for. But the situation is, is we are there covering the president, and whoever is the president deserves strict scrutiny that we hold truth to power and we should do our jobs. We have over the years become, we put our heads down, we're going to go straight ahead, we're going to ask these questions, we're going to do it the way we've always done

Donald Trump changed the rules, people, that's the difference. Donald Trump called us the enemy of the people. We're not, we are the people. You look in that press room and there's hundreds of people of all race, creeds, colors, they're asking questions. He creates an environment and creates an enemy. And you can either, there's really only one way to deal with a bully. You gotta thump him back and let them know you're not taking it.

Well, that whole enemy of the people thing, it's the fact that he's the fact that he's, his followers and somebody believed it, you know what I mean? Like they believe like when your argument, when you give a whole argument, you lay it off and then someone just says, fake news, it's like what? Like, but that's become the argument, right? Just say, well, fake news. It's very easy to immediately dismiss evidence contrary to your preconceived notions, right? If someone just says fake news, all right, well, I don't have to think critically about the

evidence that's been presented to me. Now, look, here's the issue. John Eisenberg, who just refused to comply with congressional subpoenas, is one of the individuals who is not only aware of the phone call. He's the one who made the decision to place the actual phone call, the transcript of the phone conversation between Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky in a top secret server. And so it is important to get his testimony. I would venture to say that despite what the White House wants, eventually he's probably

going to have to comply, but that's just me guessing. Let me give you some more information, though, on what's going on, because Eisenberg isn't the only individual who refused to comply. The Office of Legal Counsel deemed the subpoena invalid, and Paul Butler, who is Michael Ellis's lawyer, he is the deputy for Eisenberg, basically said, we've been instructed not to appear, so we're just not going to appear. And so we'll see how this plays out. It really does depend on how Democrats respond to this.

And just judging by how Adam Schiff comes off here, I don't know if they're willing to really fight. So just take a look at his statement in response to Trump administration officials refusing to comply with subpoenas. This will be further evidence of an effort by the administration to obstruct the lawful and constitutional duties of Congress. We expect the witnesses who have been subpoenaed to come in this afternoon at White House instruction. Also, to be no-shows, this will only further add to the body of evidence on a potential obstruction of Congress charge against the president. Indeed, in the Nixon impeachment, there was an article of impeachment based on the obstruction of Congress that itemized each of the subpoenas that the White House had defied.

Well, today we have four additional subpoenas to add to the list. So he's saying that, you know, Congress will find them in contempt of Congress. Contemptible. We'll see. We'll see. Just contemptible. Well, that's good.

I mean, if they do that, and it adds to the articles of impeachment, and I think that's a good, I don't know how much power it carries, but they're, again, they're following, I guess, the legal procedures step by step, this is how you do it. So this next video features Adam Schiff talking about how Democrats have given what Republicans wanted in terms of process and they're still complaining. I think this is an important video to share with you, because this is where I come in and really criticize Democrats. They should not buy into the framing that their political opponents demand.

Take a look. We have seen a series of shifting, ever-changing rationales for this campaign of obstruction. First, there was the argument, we won't comply, don't have to comply until there's a formal vote on the House floor. Well, we had a formal vote on the House floor. Then it was, we don't have to make these witnesses available because they're senior officials and they're given absolute immunity, even though no court has ever upheld the claims of absolute immunity. But then when people who were subpoenaed had little or no interaction with the president and there couldn't be even a colorable claim of some kind of immunity, the explanation shifted once again to well. We're not going to let them come forward because you won't let agency lawyers present.

And this was the practice for the current members of our investigative committees, people like Jim Jordan during Benghazi and people like Mike Pompeo and people like Mike Mick Mulvaney, all participated in depositions of senior agency officials without the presence of agency counsel. So as you guys know, the House voted on formalizing the impeachment investigation. And I see that as a double-edged sword on one hand. It's positive that they're going to make these hearings public, they're going to release some of the transcripts in regard to testimony that's already been given in closed-door hearings.

But at the same time, it is what Republicans kept latching onto when they were complaining about process. Oh, these closed-door hearings, we can't believe it, this is wrong, even though, again, as Schiff mentioned in that video, they used the closed-door hearings in investigating Hillary Clinton. But at the same time, like, Schiff shouldn't be surprised that if you give in to what they want, They're gonna move the goalposts. Of course they're gonna do that. I'll push back a little bit there.

I think what we're watching is a chess game. And it's all about the numbers. And this is what makes Donald Trump nervous, or the numbers. And he plays checkers, they're playing chess. And what it boils down to in the end, we knew how that vote was going to go. When Nancy Pelosi called for the vote for the formal investigation, everyone pretty much knew how that vote would go. And that's probably going to be what happens when they impeach him.

impeach him and they are going to impeach him. I mean, that's a think that's a foregone conclusion. I think it'll probably happen before Christmas or slightly after. Then we'll probably have a couple of months of, well, we'll have the hearings first, and then it'll go to the Senate and sometime in the spring, the Senate's going to take a vote. So based on what we have in public hearings, people coming forward, the polling, the Republicans sit at a nexus of two stress points. And if the vote comes down in the Senate for removal, you know, the impeachment being the indictment,

the Senate, the trial, and the removal, those senators, those Republican senators, and they need 20 of them, are going to be looking at one thing, numbers. So when Schiff does what he does, it's to give the people in those districts say, look, we did this, and then the numbers will move. What they want is an overwhelming number because, as I said, you're sitting at a nexus there. So the Republicans, if they vote for Trump in impeachment and against impeachment removal, then they risk losing the general election. If they vote against Donald Trump and for impeachment and removal, they risk being primary.

Right. So this is, I've said this for weeks now, and I hope people hear it. The future of our republic rests on the supple, round shoulders of Mitch McConnell. Gross. And at some point in time, he's gonna have to walk into the president and go, look, numbers are, don't lie, you don't have them. And that's what the, I think that's what we're seeing out of shift and Nancy Pelosi right now is an attempt to get those numbers to move.

I don't care about that. They know dagon well that the Republicans have been in those hearings. And they know dagon well, and the Republicans know dagon well, that this process is fairer than anything that was given to Clinton or given to Nixon. They're all trying to maneuver the numbers. And I think that's what we're seeing as that game of chess. Yeah, well, the hypocrisy of that, they do that all the time, right? So this is what we do, you know, this is the exact procedure we followed against Clinton

and it was fine. Now, you're ridiculous, that procedure is illegal, right? But to what you said, and I hope people are listening, because ultimately, yeah, it's gonna to come down to the numbers. They're all politicians. One of the hardest parts of getting older is feeling like something's off in your body, but not knowing exactly what. It's not just aging. It's often your hormones, too. When they fall out of balance, everything feels off.

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just giving a simple message, a slogan, or whatever. That's why lock him up was so funny at the baseball game. That's why it was hilarious, because it was like, that's un-American. Well, we learned it from you. Right, exactly. But I think, you know, you're right with the procedure, but ultimately we'll see where the numbers go. Yeah, well, the numbers are looking good for people who want Donald Trump impeached. The support for not only impeachment, but also removal, has a small, you know, majority.

So that's good news. but we'll see how this all plays out. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we have Donald Trump obsessing over the whistleblower. We'll give you his chopper talk on that and more when we were. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The Republic, or UNFTR. As a young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich and powerful.

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Uh-oh. I bathe in a very stable geniuses, tears writes in and says the level of privilege the Trump administration enjoys is unprecedented. What normal person can outright ignore subpoenas and get away with it? I know I couldn't, could you? No, no, I try every time they send me jury duty. I'm like, maybe I'll ignore this. They're like, oh, no, you won't.

They drag me off to jail. By the way, if a close associate of ours testified that we committed tax fraud while I'll test, you know, like, would the IRS just kind of like let that go? No, probably not. Yeah. And pleasure to know you, and if she did it, I have nothing to do with it. Well, you know, Annie. I don't know nothing about it.

Anna is a billionaire. It's all hidden in the Cayman Islands. I don't know if I'd be here if I were a billionaire. All right, let's move on to Wendy S. Wow, the amazing Brian is in the TYT house. What a pleasant surprise. Thank you. Got some fans.

And Meg says, oh yes. Let's hear from Adam, and then there's a bunch of Z's. Oh, whoops, I fell asleep there. You got to admit, though, I mean, Adam Schiff seems so uninterested in everything that's going on. And maybe that's part of his play. Maybe he wants to appear dispassionate, but it's just, I don't know, it just kind of. For those who want to see something happen, they want to see the Democrats more passionate. For those who want to see Donald Trump stay in office, they want to see a placid, flaccid, and almost incapacist.

I think he's trying to walk a tightrope, and it's hard to do. I don't know, I think he's on the side of that. Or you just think he's blasted in this reaction. Yeah, I don't know if I want to use that wording, but yeah, definitely. They need it, you need a dynamic speaker, this is a fight. Yeah. This is a fight. You need somebody.

That's what I'm saying. You need somebody that people like, did you hear what he said? Like that, you need someone to rally behind or whatever, because yeah, you need that person. You need a voice. Yeah, I totally agree. There's somebody in Congress, you know, on some level, right, who has that voice. They need to find him or her. I think they need to find that in a candidate for president.

Well, that would be the ultimate, but they need to find him or her and put them in front of the microphone and say, yeah, you carry the message because you've got the voice. Right. You know. All right, well, let's move on to more impeachment-related news. The whistleblower should be revealed because the whistleblower. It gave false story. Some people would call it a fraud.

I won't go that far, but when I read it closely, I probably would. Holy Mary Mother of Mary. So there's Donald Trump, another edition of Chopper Talk, yes. So, Brian, you have to listen to this every day. Yes, I do. And I'm usually the one asking the questions that prompt that. So let me give you the details on what he's saying now. And I think this is just part of the distraction, as we know that there's been a number of

White House officials who were subpoenaed to testify before congressional committees in the impeachment investigation. They've decided to defy those subpoenas. And so Trump is focusing on something that quite honestly is pretty irrelevant at this point, the whistleblower. Who is it? And when is the media going to reveal this person's identity? He's trying to make us on to do it.

He wants us to release that name. And first of all, I know Mark Zaid, who's saying. the whistleblowers attorney. There are more than one. There are multiple whistleblowers. And they are irrelevant. They are factually not necessary to the narrative at this point. The president of the United States walked out and five feet from me told me exactly what

the whistleblower said he was worried about. He was worried about. In addition, there have been other people come forward and testify. What the president is doing here is to try to deflect, but the more important thing is destroying the credibility of anyone who should come forward in the future. And in the process, he is a predator destroying the Whistleblower Act. It doesn't matter if the whistleblower is right or wrong. The whistleblower merely came forward and said, look, I feel like this is wrong and it should

be looked into. Following the exact rule of law and the way it should be done, the whistleblower presented information and the president released a transcript, which was really a memo, not a transcript. About, and then in that, he verified everything the whistleblowers said was wrong. You're exactly right. I mean, Donald Trump has incriminated himself over and over again, and he's the one who made the decision to release that memo of the phone call he had with Zelensky. And then on top of that, of course, you have, again, several of Donald Trump's officials

testifying that yes, there was quid pro quo, yes, this was problematic. And this is a form of intimidation. This is essentially messaging to anyone in government. If you have the audacity to speak out against me, even if you do so through legal means, I will come for you, exactly. And that's, and you said it earlier, use the word earlier, and it's true. It's bullying. Yeah.

It's bullying because if you're in that whistleblower's position or if you're any position where you're working, you know, who knows what level it might be, it might be clerical, It might be whatever, but you hear something where just like you said, like, wait a minute, that doesn't sound right. I should say so. But if you're in a position of no power, now are you going to do that? You know how scary it? Because the reality is a lot of these people who work in the administration, the worker bees,

you know what I mean? They need the job. Like you have bills. You have a family. You have a career. And this can destroy your career where not only do you lose this job, you can't find anything in the future. This is kind of like Sean Spicer.

It could destroy your life. Yes, Spicer. It goes beyond, I just gotta say, it goes way beyond career. I mean, we know the type of political climate we're living in, we know the type of political violence that's been encouraged by someone like Donald Trump, you know, targeting a specific person like this and doing so relentlessly, not only destroys this, potentially destroys this person's career, but could destroy their life, you know? And then they- It goes further than that.

It's destroying the republic. is destroyed on an on an international level it's ruined our reputation and it's giving cover to despots who in in the past we condemned were cozying up to and others will use what Donald Trump does to to give them a verification for what they do right it makes it okay yeah well the president of the United States so hey we can do so it's it's okay yeah this is bullying at the worst and and it's bullying people who can't fight back right these are the people Who can't hire a lawyer who has a lawyer who has a lawyer, you know what I mean, and go, these are people you can't fight on this level. Well, luckily there are some lawyers in D.C. who will take these cases pro bono.

Mark Zaid, who is the attorney for the whistleblowers at this point is one of the best. And the thing is, he's getting hit by the Republicans going, look, you know, you're obviously partisan. And he goes, wait a minute, fellas. What happened to attorney client privilege, by the way? By the way, he also defended like the daily caller for a FOIA request. He's defended the Republicans in one of the cases against Hillary Clinton. He's only independent. He's even offered to have the whistleblower respond to Republicans' questions in written form.

And Donald Trump, of all people, rejected that and said, no, it's unacceptable. He needs to show up and testify. Well, that's because writing requires reading. And Donald, you know, now, Anna, let's be fair. And remember, during the Mueller investigation, Trump didn't want to testify. There's a comedian coming out in here. You mean I gotta read it?

Never mind. I tweeted out, I said today do you want someone to read it to you? Are there gonna be any illustration, some pictures? All right, well, let's go to the next video because Trump continues with his nonsense regarding the partisan leanings of this whistleblower. Certain of the media released information about a man that they said was the whistleblower. was the whistleblower. I don't know if that's true or not. But what they said is he's an Obama person. It was involved with Brennan, Susan Rice, which means Obama. But he was like a big,

a big anti-Trump person, hated Trump. And they said terrible things. Now, I don't know if it's true or not, but that was reported by some of the media. So you'll have to find out. The fake media. The whistleblower does not matter. Even if the, by the way, there's no evidence that this is some partisan who's out for Trump. It doesn't even matter if he or she were. Because the fact of the matter is Donald Trump has already incriminated himself in front of a helicopter. He talked about how China should investigate his political.

I was there. Yeah. I'm an eyewitness to a disaster. What was going through your mind when he made? made those statements. When he said, well, the very next question I asked him as I said, are you going to encourage Putin to investigate him? And that's what he walked away.

But I mean, yeah, I don't know where you go at that point in time. I'm an eyewitness to it and he did, he doubled down on it in front of us to try and make it sound like there was nothing wrong, it was the perfect conversation. So I, you know, Mick Mulvaney came out in the press briefing room and said, He said, hey, look, we did it, get over it. We do it all the time. There was the confession, right? Trump confessed, Mulvaney confessed, what more do you need?

Yes, I shot her, Your Honor, and the witness, yes, I saw him shoot her, Your Honor, it's okay. Let's go after the person who first reported that I shot her. Yeah, right? It's nothing to do with a murder at this point, just who was the one who ratted me out? There's two things here I love. One, he said the person hates Trump, right? So you're doing an investigation, say, what clue do we have? The person hates Trump.

Well, that narrows it down. That narrows it down to everybody. Then what, but the other thing. Except Kelly Ann and Stephen Miller. His hatred of Obama, and the fact that Obama gets under his skin so much. You know that the Trump baby balloon? Yes. I say if you really want to drive Trump crazy at his rallies and all that, don't bring out the

Trump baby. Just bring out Obama balloons. Just have Obama heads floating around. That would- Like Adonis-like. That would destroy him so much. Much more than the Trump baby. Or like 3,000 masks. Everywhere he turned, there was Obama's face.

He would just snap, he would just lose it. He would totally lose it. Well, I, what's he got left to lose? I mean, I'm sitting there, I'm telling you, I'm worried about the guy. I don't know that he's, you know, as a human being, as a human being I am. I'm with Jana. I'm so past it. He's been.

I got nothing. I got nothing. There's no sympathy, empathy, empathy, nothing. No, I didn't say sympathy. Empathy, a little different. I have a little empathy for it. I got nothing. Well, I wouldn't want to, you know, gack out and go. I have empathy for that, but that's my fear. The only thing that I find comfort in these days is watching him suffer. Wow.

And he's suffering right now. I mean, the new BMO, V.I. Porter MasterCard is your ticket to more. More perks, more points, more flights, more of all the things you want in a travel rewards card, and then some. Get your ticket to more with the new BMO ViPorter MasterCard and get up to $2,400 in value in your first 13 months. Terms and conditions apply. Visit BMO.com slash ViPorter to learn more. Well, that he is. All of the early morning Twitter rants, all of the nonsense about how this is a perfect call, he's panicking and he has good reason to panic.

I mean, he's pushing Senate Republicans to defend him on the substance of this impeachment investigation. And Senate Republicans are like, listen, no, no, this is super risky. We can't do that. We're going to keep focusing on process. And look, the fact of the matter is Trump makes it increasingly difficult for them to support him or defend him on substance. Because he's the one who keeps saying things like it was a perfect call. Here he is saying that it's a perfect call yet again. They can't defend the facts, they can't defend the law.

I don't want to go so far. My worry is, you know, I do have something left as far as empathy goes because of the position. You're a far better person than that. I don't know how that's even possible. Because I'm looking at a, I hope I'm looking at a bigger picture. And the bigger picture is how do we get past this? There's going to come a time when Donald Trump isn't president by his means, the means of nature, or the means of the Senate or the electoral college or something.

His time will end. How do we pick up the pieces afterwards? Because there are people that I know, well, there are millions of people who voted for him in 2016 and don't want to vote for him in 2020, but they're upset with the Democrats because you know, they're talking about healthcare. And to those voters that want to find someone else to vote for, their health care is their gun. And you wanna take that away and they ain't gonna vote for you.

I don't care if you tell them free tooth enamels and whatever you wanna give them, that's not gonna happen. So I'm worried about what goes, and I don't take pleasure in seeing this at all. I'm concerned for the Republic, the future. And I have my first grandson, I'm worried about how he's gonna grow up. What are we gonna do? We were talking about it before the show, right? If this wasn't real, it would be hilarious.

Yes. It would be hilarious. I mean, just in that statement when he said that, you know, some would call it fraud, I wouldn't go that far, but I'm gonna say it is. But maybe I would. But maybe I would. You know, like that flirty way? Like, he always does this like weird, flirty whisper voice.

Like, I would call it fraud, but maybe I would. Right. Like, you contradicted two sentences ago, not even from morning to afternoon. And the tweets and all of that, if it wasn't real, it would be hilarious. It's entertaining a lot. I'll give you that. I could not sell this fiction. What you're saying is what happens?

Do we look back? Well, it depends on which country we are. Because if we go back to the country we were before Trump, we'll look back at it and say, man, this was a horrible mistake, never do it again. But there is that risk that you talk about that this is the new normal. And we just surely become- I've said it before. We are candidates- We are- to the kind of nonsense that we're seeing in the White House, and that terrifies me.

He's not an aberration of the system by any measure. He is the culmination of it. I mean, he is a symptom of the problem that has existed for a while. Absolutely. We're a reality show. Yeah. We unfortunately, I've joked by all the time, we're Canada's favorite reality show. They look over the border and they're like, what are they doing now?

Look what are they doing? What are those toothless guys? They legalized marijuana so they could all get high and watch us. They're like, oh, this show is gonna be good. How long is this on? Well, we're smoking with them just to numb the pain. All right, we gotta take a break. When we come back, we have more news.

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In the meantime, enjoy this free second. Hey, guys, welcome back to T-Y-T-L-T-L-E-L-T. We're gonna go right into our next story, and this has to do with Trump's border wall, which is proving to be a giant failure. Woohoo! Yes, I love it. All right, remember when Trump said that he was gonna build an impenetrable wall at our southern border?

Well, it turns out that drug smugglers from Mexican cartels have easily found a way to use something called a reciprocating saw in order to saw through the steel and concrete slabs, and then they just simply kick the steel slab off to the side and make their way inside the country in order to smuggle drugs. Now, this is news that the Washington Post recently reported, but I just want to give you a little taste, a little reminder of what Trump has said about his own border wall over and over again. If you think you're going to cut it with a blow torch, that doesn't work because you hit concrete. And then if you think you're going to go through the concrete, that doesn't work because we have very powerful rebar inside. So it's a very powerful, very powerful

wall, the likes of which probably to this extent has not been built before. I did all three. Because it's a different form of cutting. You can cut through steel, but you can't through the concrete and then you can't through the hardened rebar. We got it all. I said, fellas, how about doing a less expensive version? They said, well, this is the version that works, including the port concrete into steel with the rebar and everything else. That's the Rolls-Royce version. We're building a beautiful wall, a big one that really works, that you can't get over, you can't get under.

Any walls that were put up would get knocked down very quickly, very easily. This wall is not something that can be really knocked down. You'll see it's a combination of steel, concrete, and as one of the folks here said, it really is virtually impenetrable. So the Washington Post reports that the breaches, have been made using a popular cordless household tool known as a reciprocating saw that retails at hardware stores for as little as $100. When fitted with specialized blades, the saws can slice through one of the barriers' steel

and concrete ballards in minutes, according to the agents. Border Patrol agents spoke to the Washington Post on condition of anonymity. And so this is what's going on. But when Donald Trump was approached about some of the flaws that this wall has, here's how he reacted. I haven't heard that. We have a very powerful wall, but no matter how powerful you can cut through anything. I love how he's backing up as he's answering that question. Like, I haven't heard anything about that or see you later.

Geez. Oh, good heavens. You know, I've covered the border for 35 years. This was never going to work. It can't work. It won't work. And I love the part where he said you can't go under the wall. Oh, is it?

How deep is it? Well, it's five feet deep. There are drug tunnels that have been caught over. I stood in one, did a stand-up in one, it was like a two-lane highway. They're moving drugs and people back and forth. It was never going to work. This was, remember, he came up with this. He pulled this one out of his nether regions on a campaign trail.

and just said, you know, and I'll make Mexico pay for it. Right. And none of this was ever real. You know, I recently went down to the border and you know what border patrolmen really want? They don't want, they, there aren't, he promised, the other part that he promised was thousands of new border patrol agents. He has fewer border patrol agents.

Fascinating. Because border patrol agents are limited in the amount of overtime that they can be paid. The ICE and the customs officials aren't. So border patrolmen stay for about two years and then leave to go to the higher paying jobs. They see a wall being built and they go, you know, I'd like to put food on my plate. I don't mind working, but how do you take care of us first? That's really interesting because when I was debating Tommy Leran at Politicon, she said

that she spoke to border patrol agents and they told her that what they really want is a barrier. Yeah, no, that's not true. I mean, maybe she talked to one or two guys that are in Trump's pocket. But most of the Border Patrol agents are really, they're good people. But if you've ever gone to the border, how long do you have to wait to cross because there aren't enough border patrolmen working the border crossings? Right. That's, it's just not right.

Now if you go further into this article, Anna. God bless you if you do. They also talk about that they've got ladders and climbed over. And I said this when they first built the wall that, you know, I'm pretty confident to The Mexican people have mastered ladder technology. Yeah, dude, I think they got that down, that it's tall, we'll climb a ladder. And now what I love is, you know what they're doing? They're sneaking into San Diego.

They're bringing drugs. No, they're buying saws. The price is really good. Apparently Lowe's had a sale on saws, so we went in and we bought. This is so, again, it's one of these things. If it wasn't real, it would be hilarious, right? Well, it's just, you know, we're gonna build a wall. It's impenetrable unless you have a saw.

Well, you know, anything's penetrable. And then it's penetrable. I gotta quickly tell you the funniest story. I was on the border. This is, now, this is the waterfront Laredo, the water plant. The water is maybe wastey. And back in the day when there was a crisis in the 80s, it would be like, you know, rush our traffic on the 101.

I mean, it would be stacked. up people coming across and the board patrol couldn't get them because they walk across and then disappear into the re-zone, boom, they'd be gone. Well, I went back to this area that I used to frequent. I waited for six hours. One guy was crossing. And I asked him, I said, why are you crossing the river? And he goes, why are you talking to me in Spanish?

I go, because you're coming from Mexico. And he says, I'm coming across to work in my cousin's machine shop. I go, what, you live in Nuevo, Laredo, and you're working in Laredo? He goes, yeah, and I go, why don't you cross the, you know, at the bridge? He goes, I save myself a buck and a quarter. I said, so Trump says he's going to build a wall here. What happens if he builds a wall? When he looks up the river, he looks down the river.

I'm going to buy a reciprocating saw. He looks at me, he goes, I'm going to be late for work. That's hilarious. That's the issue. Yeah, it is. It's ridiculous. I did the same thing where I was in. I think, I can't remember the town, but Mexicali was right across the border and it was, and there was literally a hole there

And they would just, that's how they came to work. They would just go through and then they go back home. And it's- And if you want to attack that issue, how about you go after the large companies who are hiring these illegal- Oh, no, never. That's the issue. Because that would be real. Well, he's one of the employers who hires undocumented immigrants. I mean, that's part of the thing.

And no one ever talks about this and it drives me crazy. When Trump first got elected, what is the first thing that he did in 2017? He raised the cap on foreign workers who can come into the country and work on Trump properties. Well, of course. So, you know, while he is lowering the cap for refugees, he has increased the numbers of low-wage foreign workers who come in, and he gets to exploit and take advantage of. So, I mean, he's been taking advantage of undocumented labor in this country since- Since he came, since he was, yeah.

I'm giving away reciprocating saws for Christmas this year. I'm going to go to the Home Depot. They're going to be like, we're all out of them. We don't know what happens. We're going to rush on them. All right, well, let's have a little fun and talk about Seth Myers. Seth Myers has a comedy special coming out in Netflix soon. It's called Lobby Baby, and it will allow viewers to skip portions of the special, specifically

portions where he jokes about Donald Trump. So there will be a segment in which Myers shifts from jokes about his personal life to punch lines about President Trump. Myers told CNN business that he asked Netflix to create a button for viewers to opt out of watching that segment in the same way Netflix users can bypass the introduction credits with the skip intro button at the top of some of its programs. So he says that, you know, this isn't meant to be serious, he's doing this as a joke. if I'm buying that. I think he's really doing this so people don't get offended by Trump jokes. Because as much as, you know, the right wants to say that, oh, these leftists, they want a police comedy, they're too sensitive, they're snowflakes. Let's be honest, everyone's a snowflake.

Everyone gets, you know, super sensitive about their preferred political candidate. And so, yeah, I think this is just a way of, in my opinion, I don't know, I could be wrong. This is his way of kind of like catering to some on the right? My question is, how long's the special if you punch the button, 30 seconds? I mean, and what's comedy if you're not offending somebody? Right. And I have to disagree with you. And as someone who's out there in the comedy clubs, no, the Trump supporters are the real snowflakes

and the fry babies. And they cannot take one joke. No, really. I mean, I've done jokes on all of them, right? Because I always call the primaries, this is a reality show when there's 15 candidates and stuff. And I, you know, the Democrats, you can make, you know, I made fun of Bernie. I made fun of Hillary and all. They'll laugh about it.

They might not agree with it. They'll laugh. Trump people get angry when you make fun of Trump. There'll be a few that like, yeah, I don't agree with you, but it's funny. But they get angry. And they don't go to comedy shows. See, this is the other thing. These people are too angry to laugh.

They don't go to comedy shows. Now, what Seth Myers is doing here, this, and I just talked with, I saw Michelle Wolf a couple of weeks ago, I was in New York, and we were talking about it, and I'm in the same order. We're tired of doing Trump jokes, because there's nothing new. Like, what did we just watch? He argued with himself in the same statement, or he made this ridiculous, you know, this wall is impenetrable. Oh, they can cut through anything. So from a comedian's point of view, you get tired of doing it because it's like the same thing. Yeah, it's low-hanging fruit, it's easy.

Now, in his show, Seth Myers has to do this, right? He has to cover it in the news. So I kind of get what he's doing here, whether it's real or not real. If you're a Trump supporter, you're not going to watch a Seth Meyer special, even if you could bypass every Trump joke, which, like you said, will leave you 18 seconds. But the minute you see the name Seth Myers, you're not going to watch it. What do Trump supporters watch other than Fox and all that stuff? I'm sorry, that was a joke.

There are some conservative comedians, and I know a couple of them. Oh, surprising. No, I know. No, they're making a fortune. They're making a fortune because that audience will only go see them. That's what they laugh at. And then, you know, as you get more extreme, you get into the more horrible, the racist, homophobic, directly insulting comedians. But as professional comedians, yeah, there are some right-wing comedians that have a big following and they make big money.

Two years ago in Montreal, there was this guy, a southern touring comedian who attacked all the other comedians for doing political stuff, for doing pro-gay stuff. And then they weren't even pro-gay. It was like treating gay people as human to them is somehow wrong. Yeah, we've got to punch down. Well, that's their Christian nature. So he attacked all these other comics, right? And he was literally run out of town. Like the festival was like, no, we don't endorse it.

Well, to his followers, that is great. Now, look, he was in a foreign country attacked by liberal comics. So to him, that's the best thing in the world that could happen. Right now, he's got a million more YouTube followers because they're like, see how they treat me. You know, so it's- A lot of that's- Yeah, it is. I've been to the rallies. I've seen this too often where it's created, it's not spontaneous, it's not real.

And to your point, as we were talking earlier, the scary part about all this is, are we becoming a country that cannot delineate between what is real and what isn't? Yeah, I mean, we've been there though. We can't because you, you know, and this is, the internet is like the greatest. And that's gone far afield of where you weren't, but the internet is the greatest and the worst thing that we have, right? Because what you can, no matter what your ridiculous belief, you can find it on the internet and use that as credibility.

And one of the things that my, one of my personal things that I talk about that I can't stand, like, internet followers somehow give you credibility. So you're like, you're a White House reporter, you're at the White House every day, you're in the press pool, and then someone will sit over here, well, I got two million followers, and they'll treat you like you're equal. Yeah, I know. And the scary part about that is you sit there. To me, it's equal to this analogy is I'm sitting in the front row five feet away, and you're three miles away. you're telling me what it is I'm seeing.

Yeah. And that's frustrating to me. And when people assume that you have a bent or that you have a bias based on what you're saying, look, if he was doing great, I tell you he's doing great, but he ain't doing great. And so you can either listen to what someone is saying who's there seeing it, or you can already go in with your preconceived notion, and that's what people are doing. And it's frightening. And they can't laugh.

Even when he does great, he ruins it, right? So you get the head of ISIS. You get like the most wanted terror. But then you still ruin it. Like you couldn't just leave it at that. Now he has to be, he has to be whimpering and it's that and it. So now you even like you had a win. You know, like a friend of mine, he's a businessman.

He said, you got to learn to take yes for an answer. That's right. You had a win. Stop. Don't say another word. We got the head of ISIS. That's true. But the Democrats, the Democrats should let him continue to shoot himself in

the foot. I think they've done a good job at that though, don't you think? No, I mean. I don't. I don't think they have either. Well, first of all, I would just say let him continue to shoot himself in the foot until he hits himself in a vital area and it's gonna happen. But the Democratic, yeah, the Democratic, yes, the Democratic candidates all line up in,

I'm sorry, but you're not going to win Trump voters by telling me you wanna tax the churches. You're not gonna get a lot of African American voters either. Yeah, but like, I don't think they should try to pander to Trump voters. I think Trump voters are a lost cost. I don't think they should pander to Trump voters. They should strike a unifying cord for those of us, for those, there are most people that I find are not from the far left or right there, somewhere in the middle. That's been ignored by, and that's what Trump tapped into in the last election.

He pretended as though he was some sort of economic populist. No, that's not why he won. It's part of why he won. And Democrats still don't know why he won. Let me tell you what, what Democrats don't understand is the voters that voted for Trump that won't vote for in this time, if but for the fact there was somebody a little less weird than him, and that's all they want, is one of the things that appealed to them was that he called himself the blue-collar billionaire.

And somewhere sitting in their small, your home is your castle, they saw that and they go, gee, golly, I can be like that myself. Oh yeah, they fell for that. That was what they fell for. They fell for the self-made line, as if he didn't inherit money. Now, to your point, one thing you said earlier, Anna, which is really true, the Democrats need to stop letting Trump set the agenda. Agreed. Stop letting him set the narrative.

That's one thing. The other thing is they have to come together. Like you were talking about, there are Republicans who can't stand Trump, but he's a Republican. So they just, you know what I mean? They get on board just so we got to get a Republican in power. And I know, I call them reasonable Republicans, people I know who are Republican, like they run a business and they want low taxes or employers. But where are those people? Because if you look at Trump's approval rating, if you look at his approval rating, he's doing well when it comes to Republican voters.

Well, there's also the people. But they're a minority. If every time he says 95% of the Republican Party are forming, well, what does that mean? First of all, the majority of the people aren't Republicans. Yeah. And secondly, not a majority of the people vote. What he really means is that this small group of people who always turn out to vote and like the Republican platform, see that I'm the only choice that they have.

He said it in one of his rallies, you may not like me, but you'll vote for me. And the Democrats have got to figure out a way. The Republicans, I got news for you. If he isn't impeached and removed from office, he's gonna run, and Republicans who don't like him. I mean, I've talked to senators, I can't find anybody who actually likes a guy. No one would invite him over to their house for a barbecue. But they're going to hold their nose and vote for him.

And the Democrats are going to shoot each other trying to find a perfect candidate to never find. Well, even, you know, the ultimate example of that would be Ted Cruz, right? Where he literally insulted your wife and your family and you're still like, he's good. I'm with him. I'm with him. There are silver linings in this presidency and the way that he has, I have to use this word. Would you say it's a silver linings playbook? It is, he has cucked these Republican senators and it's been.

It's fascinating to watch. I've enjoyed that. Yeah, true, true. I mean, the Democrats, they need that what you were saying. She'd be a mean football player. Oh, you don't mess with Anna. You don't mess with Anna. You don't be a middle linebacker.

Don't mess with Anna on any level. That's why you're in the middle. That's why I'm sitting over here. I don't want to Trump. Oh, I've been around this woman before. I know who I'm talking to. But no, to your point, yes, the Democrats need that candidate that those people who are not progressive, the people who are in.

in the middle, the people who they're like, I just want to be able to vote for this person without, you know what I mean? I don't want the crazy. Right. You know, they may be afraid of the progressive, but they don't want the crazy. They're looking for someone in between. But I feel like there's a lot of candidates on the Democratic side to try to represent that message.

I mean, you have Klobuchar who's not doing well. You have Buttigieg, who's surging at the moment, but he's not doing well with, you know. I hate to say this, but Buttigieg is gay. Well, I think he knows it. No, what I'm saying is you think America's going to vote for a gay candidate? Like, you're done, you're done. You know, that's what we're talking about. But then you'll have Joe Biden who's still doing, I guess.

Daugtering, I think he's sundowning. Yeah, I agree, and that's his own doing because he can't, you know, keep it together during debates. Or he gets, you know, a question while he's out on, you know, out campaigning. I think when I watch these debates, and I've been to three of them now, when I've gone there, I just get the impression that that I'm watching a really great cabinet debate. I can see, you know, like Clobuchar, Secretary of State, Kamala Harris, she could be a great AG. Andrew Yang would make a great commerce secretary.

But where is the person standing up going, who's got the charisma and it's a little less crazy? We need the Franken candidate. You need to put together a candidate who has like- Well, you're gonna disagree with me and I don't want to get a debate, but I think Bernie Sanders is a great candidate who actually does have the ability to, you know, somehow miraculously convinced some of these Trump voters that he's a better candidate. He's already had a hard back.

It doesn't matter. You have his age. And the other thing, Anna, the other thing, again, Anna, and I'm telling you from someone who travels all over the country, this and that, you know, the word socialist scares the hell out of people. They don't even know what it means to scares them. I was just in Richmond, Virginia. Then they better reject their Social Security and Medicare benefits if they're so afraid of social.

But that's not. They're talking about emotion and you're talking about logic. That's the difference. What I'm talking about that. And that's a failure, I think, of the media as well. But I'm talking- And education, American education. That's true, American education has failed. I'm talking about the name calling.

I was just in Richmond, Virginia, and there was a candidate, and I'm not even sure what, I don't remember what exactly she was running for. But the whole ad was, she's a socialist just like AOC from New York. See, that's the, yeah, exactly, that was the most evil thing in the world to be. You know what I mean? And that's the thing again, that's one of the big marks against Bernie. If you want to talk reality, we have, you're right, you're right, it is one of the big marks against Bernie.

But what, to your point, we already have socialism in the United States. Absolutely we do. Well, she talked about. Socialism exists for, I tell you what, for the upper one percent. Yes, yes, yes. Capitalism exists for the rest of us trying to kill each other. You gotta believe there's some entitlement in that one percent. Exactly.

A lot of old white guys. All right. Well, we gotta leave. Leave it there so we can transition over to hour two. But thank you, Brian. It was a pleasure having you. And Alonzo, as always. Anna, thank you.

It was so much fun. And, yeah. All right. Now I get crucified. Whenever I come on the Turks, I'll say something that they consider anti-Burney and they just attack me. Yeah, get ready. Get ready for you. Yeah, and if they listen to me.

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